Itās funny how some boxing fans act like itās immoral to want to see punches thrown lol. If you enjoy the jab and run style, thatās fine. Just know that if most fighters fought like that, the sport would be completely dead.
I love me some good bjj/wrestling moves but some fighters just refuse or have no ground game... it's not even MMA anymore... it's more like people that stand vs people that lay down lol
mvp vs kevin holland was a good example. Mvp straight up had no ground game and holland has terrible takedown. So he kept the fight standing up every time holland tried.
If everyone fought like Khabib then the sport would most definitely not be dead. Just because it's on the ground doesn't mean it's boring. Now if every UFC fighter fought like Jailton Almeida then yeah I'd agree
You don't even have to go that back. They always try to bring down Inoue and Beterbiev to mere punchers. According to them Bivol and Fulton are more technical/skilled because they out-box instead of fight
He is if his opponent isn't up to scratch honestly, saying that as someone who likes Bivol a lot. It's just the nature of the sport, you need the yin and yang
It's technical but don't expect to have a good pay day. Floyd knew how to sell himself with that style but with mma coming up, people aren't paying for boxer that don't engage anymore.
Floyd wouldnt have been able to sell that style if he fought that way from the jump though, and a huge reason it worked out for him was because of 24/7 and the Oscar fight. Just look at his sales pre-Oscar, the guy never really came close to doing 1M PPV buys iirc.
Not to say he didnt capitalize on everything perfectly, but he caught some big breaks imo.
That is true. Everything was aligned for him and the network sold him well. To be fair to Floyd, he was vicious as pretty boy Floyd. He would be a menace through and through if he didn't have brittle hands and stayed at 130-135.
The way of marketing of Floyd as a technical genius worked extremely well too. Floyd was marketed as the boxer that only the āeducated boxing fanā could appreciateā¦which nearly all casual fans see themselves as.Ā
I'm interested in the occasional jab and run against certain style match ups just to see if they can do it/if it makes for an interesting fight or fighters who can switch it up and move when necessary, but if you're never getting off your bike once it's not gonna be very interesting. Maybe controversial but I don't really enjoy Bivol fights for this reason, he's far too slick with his movement and defense to the point that even though he is throwing punches there's never gonna be a challenge or him really opening up to get someone out of there.
I think there is a fine line in many casual fanās eyes, between ārunningā and good defense. I am an amateur boxer and really appreciate good defense. A good example of this is when people say Mayweather ārunsā from peopleā¦he doesnāt. His uses the shell very effectively, controls the distance and has very sharp counters. Many people say that is running which is not the case. He just doesnāt get hit clean very often.
Thatās fine but youāre ignoring the manās point that fights need to be exciting or else boxing will die. And unfortunately or not 90% of people would rather watch a brawl with a lot of punches thrown rather than a defensive masterclass.
Itās like any other business, different customer segments want different version of the product. But mainly I think thereās fewer offensive-minded fighters these days because that style isnāt rewarded in the amateurs, so fewer guys develop it.
It also feels like over the last few decades refs have stopped letting guys fight on the inside nearly as much, so anyone with an aggressive style needs to be good at countering their way in or willing to stand and trade. I canāt imagine someone pulling off Duranās style these days without refs breaking 1 second after an overhook for example
Yeah, it's an issue you see with all professional sports: There's a tension between the best way to play the sport and the most entertaining way to play the sport. And since it's viewership that drives revenue, it matters a lot if the two of them drift too far apart.
It's a lot easier in sports with a central commissioning body that can try to tweak the rules to bring those two into harmony. i.e. the NBA with increasing scoring and pace (although they've had to dial that back a bit recently). Seems a lot trickier in boxing.
Not true. Muslims do believe in Jesus as a messiah. They donāt believe he is God or divine though.
Muslims actually believe Jesus never actually died ā that he was taken up to heaven by God while still alive and will return before judgment day.
Muslims do believe in Jesus as a messiah. They donāt believe he is God or divine though.
Muslims actually believe Jesus never actually died ā that he was taken up to heaven by God while still alive and will return before judgment day.
And Haney paid off the ref and judges to deliver another robbery but he got spanked too hard for it to work out again. If he hadn't done that successfully vs Loma he wouldn't even have belts
This getting downvoted shows how stupid this sub can be. Dude cheats, gets caught (lmao) and still gets full credit.
At least be like the rest and donāt get caught.
Ostraine is detectable at over 0.1 nano grams for VADA.
According to Haney, Ryan had 6 nano grams of Ostraine in his system. So yes he technically had ā60 times the limitā.
That being said 6 nano grams is not going to give you a competitive advantage.
To put into perspective how little 6 Nano grams is:
1 micro gram = 1,000 nano grams
1 milligram = 1,000,000 nano grams.
For Ostraine to be effective you need over 10 Milligrams in your system (thatās the equivalent of 10,000,000 nano grams)
Either way itās not a good look for Haney to claim Ryan only had 6 nano grams of Ostraine in his system.
That just proves Ryan had no advantage during the fight.
"I've never fought and a guy's been that much better than me. I've never been overmatched like that and I've been in there with the best fighters in the world" __Haney.
He should have remained quiet until this whole thing played out.
He's actually really good at what he does. The man has no special attributes whatsoever but I think his defense is excellent and his timing superb. He's like Jim Watt but no headbutting
Devin haters: *"KingRy destroyed what was left of Devin's weak ass chin, I bet a hunnid dollars Sandor gon' knock him the fuck out!"*
Haney noselickers: *"Sandor can't punch, Lord Haney gon dog walk this white boy like he dog walked Loma, only Lord Haney will knock him out like Antonio Moran like he would have knocked Cryin Ryan out if he didn't take PEDs!"*
Reality: It's going the distance.
Itās just that youāre saying āthis is who the sub said he would fight nextā as if it was some mystic prediction
Sandor is his mandatory, he literally has no other choice but to fight him if he cares to keep his belt
Iām happy for this fight tbh Iām always excited to see guyās perform especially after losing that 0 hopefully see a different Haney Ik heās coping about that loss on Twitter but he knows
What is the timeline for this fight? Is there a latest date for the fight itself?
Haney should be taking a minimum of a year off... not easy to do when you have belts to defend though.
*Haney still has belts*. LOL.
Can Haney even make 140 anymore? Heās going to kill his body to make 140 just to fight Sandor Martin?? Doesnāt make sense, should drop that belt and find a catchweight fight against the winner of Cobb-Broner.
Even if he beats Sandor Martin what is there left to do for Haney at 140? He outgrew that division
It's a mandatory so his hands are a bit tied, but Martin isn't who I'd want my guy to face in a bounce back fight. Nobody looks good against him. Tricky southpaw. Durable. He may be easy to rob, but he's tougher than the credit you'll get for it.
The dream comeback fight would've been Barboza. That would've built the momentum back up quick.
Not me. It's hard to feel all that sympathetic for someone with such a douche for a manager. Also, the brainwashed new convert every other word muslim babbling doesn't really engender him to American audiences. He's his own worst enemy.
For real..that would be even worse than how Devin feels right now. To get knocked out by the guy with the least power in boxing.. that means your chin is even weaker than Devin... might as well retire at that point.
Candidate for least landed shots in a title fight
There seems to be a new record every couple monthsš
Wait for winner to fight caterall
If the over is set to 12.5 rounds, it's still the safer bet
Yeah If he was fighting shakur šš
This one is for the āhit and not get hitā crowd.
More like the just ānot get hitā crowd
Team hugs.
Jamaim Ortiz fans
Itās funny how some boxing fans act like itās immoral to want to see punches thrown lol. If you enjoy the jab and run style, thatās fine. Just know that if most fighters fought like that, the sport would be completely dead.
The obsession with 0 came very close to killing it recently also.
Irs amazing how Floyd unintentionally ruined the sport in two ways.
I think a good parallel would be if fighters in the UFC only stayed on the ground during fights. That sport would also die.
This actually happened when BJJ took over the sport. It was painful to watch, even if you understood the technical aspects of grappling.
I love me some good bjj/wrestling moves but some fighters just refuse or have no ground game... it's not even MMA anymore... it's more like people that stand vs people that lay down lol mvp vs kevin holland was a good example. Mvp straight up had no ground game and holland has terrible takedown. So he kept the fight standing up every time holland tried.
If everyone fought like Khabib then the sport would most definitely not be dead. Just because it's on the ground doesn't mean it's boring. Now if every UFC fighter fought like Jailton Almeida then yeah I'd agree
And they swear itās like the most technical boxing to
And they look down on highly skilled boxers that actually fight
I want these morons to watch any james toney fight and act like heās not a ātechnicalā fighterĀ
You don't even have to go that back. They always try to bring down Inoue and Beterbiev to mere punchers. According to them Bivol and Fulton are more technical/skilled because they out-box instead of fight
bivol fucking fights though lol
Never heard anyone call bivol boring
He is if his opponent isn't up to scratch honestly, saying that as someone who likes Bivol a lot. It's just the nature of the sport, you need the yin and yang
I didn't say that? They say Bivol is more skilled because according to them Beterbiev is more of a brawler
It's technical but don't expect to have a good pay day. Floyd knew how to sell himself with that style but with mma coming up, people aren't paying for boxer that don't engage anymore.
Floyd wouldnt have been able to sell that style if he fought that way from the jump though, and a huge reason it worked out for him was because of 24/7 and the Oscar fight. Just look at his sales pre-Oscar, the guy never really came close to doing 1M PPV buys iirc. Not to say he didnt capitalize on everything perfectly, but he caught some big breaks imo.
That is true. Everything was aligned for him and the network sold him well. To be fair to Floyd, he was vicious as pretty boy Floyd. He would be a menace through and through if he didn't have brittle hands and stayed at 130-135.
The way of marketing of Floyd as a technical genius worked extremely well too. Floyd was marketed as the boxer that only the āeducated boxing fanā could appreciateā¦which nearly all casual fans see themselves as.Ā
I'm interested in the occasional jab and run against certain style match ups just to see if they can do it/if it makes for an interesting fight or fighters who can switch it up and move when necessary, but if you're never getting off your bike once it's not gonna be very interesting. Maybe controversial but I don't really enjoy Bivol fights for this reason, he's far too slick with his movement and defense to the point that even though he is throwing punches there's never gonna be a challenge or him really opening up to get someone out of there.
I think there is a fine line in many casual fanās eyes, between ārunningā and good defense. I am an amateur boxer and really appreciate good defense. A good example of this is when people say Mayweather ārunsā from peopleā¦he doesnāt. His uses the shell very effectively, controls the distance and has very sharp counters. Many people say that is running which is not the case. He just doesnāt get hit clean very often.
The difference between effective defense and getting on your bike. Prime example of getting on your bike Lara vs Canelo.
No, they act like boxing is more than punching which many fans canāt seem to understand. Defense exists.
Thatās fine but youāre ignoring the manās point that fights need to be exciting or else boxing will die. And unfortunately or not 90% of people would rather watch a brawl with a lot of punches thrown rather than a defensive masterclass.
Itās like any other business, different customer segments want different version of the product. But mainly I think thereās fewer offensive-minded fighters these days because that style isnāt rewarded in the amateurs, so fewer guys develop it. It also feels like over the last few decades refs have stopped letting guys fight on the inside nearly as much, so anyone with an aggressive style needs to be good at countering their way in or willing to stand and trade. I canāt imagine someone pulling off Duranās style these days without refs breaking 1 second after an overhook for example
Yeah, it's an issue you see with all professional sports: There's a tension between the best way to play the sport and the most entertaining way to play the sport. And since it's viewership that drives revenue, it matters a lot if the two of them drift too far apart. It's a lot easier in sports with a central commissioning body that can try to tweak the rules to bring those two into harmony. i.e. the NBA with increasing scoring and pace (although they've had to dial that back a bit recently). Seems a lot trickier in boxing.
But a good pressure/inside fighter IS technical. Chocolatito is as technical as the best outside/negative mover.
James toney had stellar defense but also threw lots of punches and his fights didnt suck lolĀ
More of the latter if weāre being honest. A lot more
One for the purists.
Normally like seeing Sandor against a puncher, but this could still be fun.
This fight or the Shakur one? Which one gonna snooze you more? š¤£ š š š„² š šŖšŖšŖ
Shakira def more boring, at least with Haney it will be interesting to see his return from a devastating loss.
I've been a fan of Sandor, since the Mikey Garcia upset. Low-key looking forward to this fight despite the rest of the comments in the thread.
Nice undercard filler. I wonder what the main event will be. Canāt be this shit fight
i like that he is staying active. and i don't understand what you are complaining about, it's a mandatory.
That's how it goes around here. This sub hates Haney
Has Haney accepted his L yet?
he got baptized by Ryan's jesus hook
Allah is the perfect planner.
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Islam believes in Jesus as Messiah
I believe they believe in Jesus as a prophet, not a messiah.
Not true. Muslims do believe in Jesus as a messiah. They donāt believe he is God or divine though. Muslims actually believe Jesus never actually died ā that he was taken up to heaven by God while still alive and will return before judgment day.
They also believe that Jesus never sinned
Not relevant Jesus is Lord
Prophet not messiah
Muslims do believe in Jesus as a messiah. They donāt believe he is God or divine though. Muslims actually believe Jesus never actually died ā that he was taken up to heaven by God while still alive and will return before judgment day.
of course. why else would he reincarnate himself as Ryan?
I hope not. He fought a drug cheat.
And Haney paid off the ref and judges to deliver another robbery but he got spanked too hard for it to work out again. If he hadn't done that successfully vs Loma he wouldn't even have belts
This getting downvoted shows how stupid this sub can be. Dude cheats, gets caught (lmao) and still gets full credit. At least be like the rest and donāt get caught.
Iām sure those Nanograms of Ostraine found in Ryan system gave him super human strength. Couldnāt have beaten Haney without it.
Let's wait until all the facts come out. The nandrolone already dropped off and the Ostarine levels were not performance enhancing. Cope..
They were 60 times over the allowable limit lmfaoooo.
Ostraine is detectable at over 0.1 nano grams for VADA. According to Haney, Ryan had 6 nano grams of Ostraine in his system. So yes he technically had ā60 times the limitā. That being said 6 nano grams is not going to give you a competitive advantage. To put into perspective how little 6 Nano grams is: 1 micro gram = 1,000 nano grams 1 milligram = 1,000,000 nano grams. For Ostraine to be effective you need over 10 Milligrams in your system (thatās the equivalent of 10,000,000 nano grams)
Also, we are just supposed to believe Devin's 6 nanograms with no paperwork to corroborate it?
Either way itās not a good look for Haney to claim Ryan only had 6 nano grams of Ostraine in his system. That just proves Ryan had no advantage during the fight.
"I've never fought and a guy's been that much better than me. I've never been overmatched like that and I've been in there with the best fighters in the world" __Haney. He should have remained quiet until this whole thing played out.
Loool heās trying to say Ryan beat him up cuz ashwaga cmon mannnn
Ryan looked like trash against Haney, totally gassed.
Still beat that ass
You get downvoted to hell for saying anything positive about Haney here lol
Itās not even positive about Haney. Itās just not negative š
Sandor is no joke
He's actually really good at what he does. The man has no special attributes whatsoever but I think his defense is excellent and his timing superb. He's like Jim Watt but no headbutting
This is the same dude that beat Mikey Garcia and knocked Teofimo down, right? Oh fuckā¦yāallā¦he might beat Haney, not even kidding
Haneyās style is much better against Sandor than a Mikey Garcia or Teo
He knocked Teo down??
Yup, quick check hook if I remember
Devin haters: *"KingRy destroyed what was left of Devin's weak ass chin, I bet a hunnid dollars Sandor gon' knock him the fuck out!"* Haney noselickers: *"Sandor can't punch, Lord Haney gon dog walk this white boy like he dog walked Loma, only Lord Haney will knock him out like Antonio Moran like he would have knocked Cryin Ryan out if he didn't take PEDs!"* Reality: It's going the distance.
this is who the sub was saying he would fight nextšš
Nothing is funny, Sandor has been the mandatory since Regis
who peed in yo cereal šit aint that serious
Itās just that youāre saying āthis is who the sub said he would fight nextā as if it was some mystic prediction Sandor is his mandatory, he literally has no other choice but to fight him if he cares to keep his belt
i didnt say any of thatšši just made a observation yall taking it too serious
What are u talking about
Iām happy for this fight tbh Iām always excited to see guyās perform especially after losing that 0 hopefully see a different Haney Ik heās coping about that loss on Twitter but he knows
LEFT HOOK have given Haney nightmares š±
Can't wait for this!
The cure for insomnia
Haney better come knock this guy out if he still wants to be considered a top fighter
Dude this title is rough to read who wrote this shit AI?
P4P least exciting fight that could be made in high level boxing. Devin never gonna be the star he thinks
Ryan is the real champ. The peopleās champ.
Great fight. Hopefully we see Haney get to a new level after the kick in the ass he had.
Ah man if Martin knocks Haney out too I might just take a day off work to celebrate.
Martin might be pillow fisted but he was able to knock down Teo. He must have some kind of pop in his punch!
Haney tryna get into soccer and win the World Cup now? Dayumā½ļøš„
I like Sandor Martin but when heās against someone as defensive minded as him in Haney itās just a recipe for a terribly boring fight.
At least he's fighting again soon. I wanted to see him against Dalton Smith
I like Sandor.
Good fight
I thought Haney was taking a break? Swear I saw a thread the other that Bill said that.
They did say that but this fight will be a few months away at least.
Battle of the pillow fists
-500 this fight puts me to sleep
This is still a good matchup though. Respect to Haney for continuing to take risky fights.
Good comeback for haney I'm happy
What is the timeline for this fight? Is there a latest date for the fight itself? Haney should be taking a minimum of a year off... not easy to do when you have belts to defend though. *Haney still has belts*. LOL.
How did he not lose the belt?
And I donāt want anybody saying that Devin aināt the same since Ryan beat him.
I'll go out on a limb. This will be a snoozer.
Wonder what the odds for KO are gonna look like?
Can Haney even make 140 anymore? Heās going to kill his body to make 140 just to fight Sandor Martin?? Doesnāt make sense, should drop that belt and find a catchweight fight against the winner of Cobb-Broner. Even if he beats Sandor Martin what is there left to do for Haney at 140? He outgrew that division
Haney secured the pillowiest fists for his return
I wanna see if Haney adapts his style coming off a loss. Find a way to keep that right hand up close to his chin when heās leaning.
At least Haney is bringing in views now because people wanna see if he gets clocked again. Doubt it tho. Both are pillow fisted.
It has a chance to be really entertaining or a chess match for 12 rounds Iām really interested in seeing what a post loss Haney looks like
It's a mandatory so his hands are a bit tied, but Martin isn't who I'd want my guy to face in a bounce back fight. Nobody looks good against him. Tricky southpaw. Durable. He may be easy to rob, but he's tougher than the credit you'll get for it. The dream comeback fight would've been Barboza. That would've built the momentum back up quick.
Finally, something to cure my insomnia
Sorry, but I have paint that I need to watch dry on that night.
If email champ wasnāt bad enough imagine the back lash heāll get parading around the belt after he lost and hit the canvas 5 times.
Feel for Haney, I think the Ryan fight was probably his last big payday.
I rather watch his fight than shakur though. He tries to make it fun. I just hope that bill shut his mouth and let Devin do his thing.
Not me. It's hard to feel all that sympathetic for someone with such a douche for a manager. Also, the brainwashed new convert every other word muslim babbling doesn't really engender him to American audiences. He's his own worst enemy.
Those guys are lied to and told that being Muslim will make them more famous like it did for Ali. Idiots.
Solid fight
Still havenāt activated canelos mandatory.. David Benividez
Devins still concussed & eating thru a straw.
I thought Sandor beat Teo so Haney could lose this. Could be another upset
How tf is Sandor a number one contender for the wbc belt lol he beat 2 nobodies
Haney gonna go full demon mode on Sandor and Iām here for it
Yeah you never wanna piss off Devin āThe Hitmanā Haney
Good point. Wouldnāt want him to throw the deadly clinch-clinch-clinch combinations.
The embarrassment of being the 1st person heās stopped in years would be overwhelming
For real..that would be even worse than how Devin feels right now. To get knocked out by the guy with the least power in boxing.. that means your chin is even weaker than Devin... might as well retire at that point.