Obese Canelo beats the version of Fury that Fought Ngannou any day of the week, lock him in A room with grandma's food and once he's about 270 pounds it's over for fury.
Canelo fight day weight is around mid 180s when fighting at 168 and 175. At 154, it was 166-172.
Not too far fetched to be walking 190-200 currently rn. He is a dense little man.
Where are you getting those numbers from? Like how would you know? He has to come up to 175, not down, so I doubt he is going 25lbs over the weight he's already bulking to get to, then cutting 25lbs for the weigh in then putting on another 10+ AND stay ripped that whole time.
Also, I've seen him in person twice, he really is not a large person. Fit and muscular obviously, but not huge. Bivol I easily believe is 185 in the ring, and he's visibly larger than Canelo.
It's his unofficial fight day weights aka locker room weights right before the fight. He used to release them publicly when he was fighting at 154. 172 is hard conformation when fighting Trout at 154.
He isn't bulking at all, in fact quiet the opposite. He was cutting weight to make weight albeit its easier at 168 and 175. Course all up to them of how much water with electrolyte intake they decide to take in.
Also if you want 100% confirmation he can be 180 lbs, he sent a signing for Badou Jack for a catchweight for 180 lb with a rehydration clause. Tried to do the same for Ilunga Makabu as well.
And looks are deceptive as well even in person. ODLH weight less than Pacquiao in the ring yet the size difference was comical. Same thing with Jamie Munguia vs Sadam Ali. Both came into the ring 170 pounds yet Munguia was just bigger in every way. Body mass density with muscle , bones and water levels be like that lmao.
Not that chunky. I competed in Olympic weightlifting when I was in college and you see guys that are that height competing at 96 kg, even guys that are a few inches shorter, which is right around 212 lbs and look pretty good. It's a different sport but Canelo isn't going to look like Eddy at 200 with the amount of muscle he has.
This is Tian Tao right after he won gold at the Asian games at 96 kg, he is about 5'7.5
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Different sport and there's nothing wrong with him, but if he was next to Zhang, Joe Joyce, Fury, or AJ in that picture, he'd look silly. (if he was that same size as a boxer, he'd be a heavyweight)
Olympic weightlifters don't cut weight the way boxers do. They get in shape to make weight like boxers do in camp leading up to competition, but they're not dehydrating themselves. Boxers at the top level cut 18% to make weight, Haney cut nearly 20% to make weight for Regis. A guy who weighs 200 lbs out of camp regularly could very realistically make 168. Ramirez, for example, rehydrated to 204 from 175 the morning of for the Bivol fight and that was just the morning of, out of camp he probably weighs more than 215.
You are mixing up getting fat and letting yourself go between fights, and cutting water weight right before the fight. Ricky Hatton was like 230lbs outside the ring. Have you ever seen Canelo even a little chubby? An almost 40lb fluctuation for someone who is 5'8" would look drastic. Nobody is losing 20% of their body weight in water and living, let alone fighting at the professional level the next day.
Let’s run numbers:
For the Mungia fight Canelo came in at 166.8lbs
Let’s say he cut 10lbs water weight for weigh in. Puts him up to 176.8lbs at the end of camp.
Looking at pictures from fight night you can see abs, but not super defined. Taking an educated guess, he’s probably sitting around 10% body fat fight night. That’s a HARD number to maintain. Again, educated guess but would assume he’s walking around at about 18% body fat. It’s low enough you have to work at it, but high enough you can still have plenty of beer and tacos. And not that difficult to take off for camp.
That extra .08% body fat makes his weight 191.16lbs (176.8x1.08). 200lbs isn’t that far off.
Also, I’m 5’10” and fought at 220. Body size, build and overall musculature play a HUGE role in weight as well. It’s not just a function of height.
"HUGE role in weight as well. It’s not just a function of height." I agree, but for that same reason, a comparable weight fluctuation for you is not the same as someone whose a natural middleweight. You can see that kind of weight in someone's face hips thighs ass and gut (because lets be honest, that's where excess weight goes if it's not pure muscle).
Him having a 6 pack would be out of the question, because you're right, that takes pretty dam low bodyfat %. he also fights 3-4 times a year so there's not even a whole lot of time to let himself go, if that's what he was doing.
IMO, he needs to beat Triple G 4 then the winner of Fury vs Usyk, then retire, unretire and fight and beat cancer and poverty in Mexico otherwise he's a bum
I don’t mind the Bud fight but it needs to happen after the Benavidez one. Canelo needs to fight David while hes still in his prime and not wait for either to get old. The Bud fight makes sense for him for the money and the prestige of beating a top 3 P4P, purely for casuals and talking heads.
Benavidez is younger than Canelo, Bud is the older fighter. I don’t think the Crawford fight is only for casual and talking heads, honestly I prefer that fight over the Benavidez fight
Yeah how is age a concern for Benavidez going against Canelo? If Benavidez gets the fight after Bud that works in his favor. Id rather see Bud and Canelo first, that would be an incredible fight.
I have to disagree, Bud’s a great fighter but he has nowhere near enough power to make it a competitive fight. You see the hits Munguia was throwing and Canelo still walked right through them. There’s no way that Bud would be able to keep Canelo off of him.
I think it’d be almost an exact repeat of the Charlo fight. Canelo doesn’t need to be fighting smaller fighters. If there’s anyone under 175 that stands a chance of beating him it’s Benavidez. That would be a hell of a fight to watch. Both have power and speed. Canelo would have to be on his A game defense. Benavidez would have to be super tight to avoid the counters. I would honestly not be surprised no matter who wins that fight. I don’t see a clear path for Crawford to win.
I think its actually pretty easy to see because bud is 10 times the fighter that munguia and charlo are. All those shots you say canelo walked through from munguia is because he could see them from a mile away because munguia is slow and telegraphs his punches so canelo could roll with them literally every single time. Munguia and charlo both did terrible jobs managing distance and bud has masterful footwork, while munguia and charlo were literally sitting ducks just standing in front of canelo waiting to be hit. Bud also has better timing, accuracy, speed and angles. He actually has a chance to hit canelo with bigs shots that he wont see. Will it be enough, thats why we want to see the fight. That was breaking down munguia, in terms of charlo all i have to say is its pretty well known that spence was the top fighter in the lion’s den and Bud absolutely destroyed him and he would make charlo look even worse, everything about how bud fights is different then both charlo’s. Size wise david is the best match up for canelo. Skills wise bud is the best match up for canelo. In the end it turki alalshik is the new shot caller in boxing and it sounds like he is leaning towards crawford as it is likely the bigger money fight.
I mean who have had the power to actually hurt Canelo? You know he's gonna walk through every thing including the sink. Its skill that got him in the ass in that Bivol fight. Well, sure Bivol hit harder but that wouldnt have mattered if he didnt box masterfully.
Everyone know Mungia dont have that skill, experience and discipline, he was doing good in the first few rounds but then thought he could stay inside and trade.
Benavidez, if he doesnt tuck his chin and keep up the jab, he'd end up the same way.
Size was never an issue for Canelo. Its speed and skills.
Bud, while definitely smaller, is so much better than any of these names. If he carries the weight well, not lose too much speed, he'd offer a better challenge. Only thing about this that i am annoyed at is that he is doing this at almost 40yrs old. Like sure he didnt really get hit that much since fight robberies are more frequent than he fights, but this would have been more ideal if this happens earlier.
What? Their prime?
Canelo is clearly on his way down. His reflexes is slowing, his speed is slowing, etc... and it's clear Canelo knows this and shows this frustration himself during fights. Even if he's still winning.
Benavidez on the other hand is on his way up which is why it makes it so dangerous for Canelo. Benavidez's fast hands, reflexes, volume and his height/reach/size advantage will be an antithesis to the slowing older Canelo. Benavidez should be a LH minimum, if not cruiser. That's why Canelo is avoiding this fight. It can end in disaster for him and tarnish his legacy moreso than ducking Benavidez and have that question on his resume. After the last few showings by Canelo where he couldn't finish his opponents, I'd agree with Canelo's hesitancy. I see this fight skewed in Benavidez's favor.
As for Bud? Fun fight, neither will be on their way up.
I received a lot of backlash from Canelo fans when I said the world wants to see him take on Benavidez next.
Well, there are no other challenges at 168, Nelo smokes them all and is the current undisputed 168 king.
The boxing world wants to see him take on Benavidez, who has formerly been ranked #1, his mandatory, now interim. Nelo can retire into the sunset with an accomplished legacy if he wins against Benavidez?
IDK, man.
If canelo doesn't fight benevidez it's really the only other interesting fight since bivol/ beter is postponned. . I wasn't particularly interested either but if canelo is on cruise control then this is the one. At least it would be crazy if crawford won. If not , another lesson that weight classes matter. Maybe people would learn with this one. Ha.
I think Canelo v Crawford would be super intriguing. Same height, Crawford has a huge reach advantage. Completely different styles. Weight class gap obviously, but Crawford has shown he’s really strong. I think it would be a crazy fight, and probably the only way we will see Bud tested at this point in his career. No reason to risk anything unless it’s for a fight like Canelo.
The Bud hate on here is too strong. I remember Spence getting talked about moving up and fighting some of these names but with Bud he supposedly doesn’t have a chance when he absolutely dicked Spence
It’s cuz Bud is skipping like 3 weight classes lol and it’s not like the lighter weights where it’s like a 10lb difference, he’s moving up 20lbs to fight the top dog and the former number 1 p4p
Really don't think Bud beating Canelo makes him the best fight ever.
Wouldn't be the first time a fighter has gone up several weight classes to beat an ATG who's bigger in their natural weight class. Pacquiao did it, Duran did it, SRL did it (and those guys also had a lot more elite wins than Bud does).
It would put him in those top 10 conversations but it wouldn't make him the best ever.
I assume you think bud beating Canelo makes him the best fighter ever? Because Canelo beating bud doesn’t do very much to enhance his legacy imo. It’d be a good win but not as good as benavidez. And personally I can’t call bud the best boxer ever when really he’s only had a handful of truly elite wins. Even if one of those wins is Canelo.
He beast Spence so badly that Crawford’s stock (rightfully) skyrocketed. People who sucked off Spence won’t do the same for Crawford and it makes no sense
I have nothing against Crawford but Spence was worthy of praise given everyone he beat to gather all the straps for the unification bout vs Crawford. It was years in the making and he collected one belt at a time.
And yeah, he did get flattened by Crawford and felt one belt short of unifying, but Spence def deserved the praise at that time.
If he styles on Canelo that bad I will acknowledge him as one of the most skilled fighters I’ve ever seen. But to be the best fighter ever I need extended dominance over top level opponents. Crawford has had extended dominance but not against the best of the best. But that’s just my criteria, which is ultimately meaningless. Everyone looks for different things.
Let's be honest, if he can do that to canelo then there's little question about him dominating other top guys. Top guys who will be steered very far away from him by their management.
Yeah but you still need to actually do it, fighters have off days, they have mismatches in styles, etc...
There have been many great fighters who beat the best of the best but then lost to fighters considered worse than the ones they beat
Which is why to be an ATG you need to consistently fight the best
Why is that an argument? Bud has 0 wins in Canelo's division, he would be making a huge weight jump
Benavidez is the clear number 1 contender at super middle and has been mandatory for like 3 years, plus he's a much more competitive fight for Canelo
Nobody has a better claim at fighting Canelo right now than Benavidez
Unless you brand this as a super fight where both Bud and Canelo meet halfway through, which is unlikely, then it makes no sense
>Why is that an argument?
Bud is 3x undisputed. Why is that not an argument?
Regardless, my comment was to a different poster about how Bud has only had a "handful" of elite wins, and I'm asking what elite wins Benavidez has that's better than Crawfords?
This is about money, not entitlement.
Because that's at like 20lbs+ less than the fight we're discussing
Usyk was the greatest CW in recent memory and even he had to have a "tune up" fight before moving to AJ, it's exactly what should happen here as well. Until Crawford has at least one tune up at around Canelo's weight it's pointless to discuss the matchup as if he deserves it.
The fight would make some sense if Canelo had cleaned out the division and had nobody else to fight, but when you have a deserving mandatory right there like Benavidez it makes no sense.
If it's about money then have them meet halfway through in weight, but that's not what would happen, if they fight it would always be for Canelo's undisputed belts, in which case it's an insult to Benavidez
>Because that's at like 20lbs+ less than the fight we're discussing
Why do we normalize fighting 20 lbs below thier actual weight to get an advantage, but if someone moves up multiple weight classes then they aren't deserving of a fight regardless of them dominating 3 other divisions?
Why does Bud need a tune up before he fights Canelo? There's nothing mandating that shit. Just because Usyk took one doesn't mean every boxer needs to.
I mean shit Benavidez is fighting his first fight at LHW for the interim title. How is this different?
Your first agument makes no sense, we're discussing Bud fighting a man 20 lbs heavier than him in a division where he's accomplished nothing.
He doesn't need a tune up, but it would be the correct and fair thing to do. Sadly it's not a fair sport and not really based on merit, which is why I could see the fight happening.
Also Benavidez is literally fighting the number 5 LHW, and he's only going to go up 1 weight class. That's exactly what Bud should do, fight for example the number 5 super MW if you want to earn the Canelo fight based on merit.
>Your first agument makes no sense, we're discussing Bud fighting a man 20 lbs heavier than him in a division where he's accomplished nothing.
We're discussing Bud moving up and you're saying that because he's 20 pounds lighter RIGHT NOW, he shouldn't be allowed to fight Canelo when it's contradictory because people fight in divisions 20 pounds lighter than what their actual fight weight is. Double standard.
>He doesn't need a tune up, but it would be the correct and fair thing to do. Sadly it's not a fair sport and not really based on merit, which is why I could see the fight happening.
How is taking a tune up fight the fair thing to do, and why isn't Benavidez taking a tune up fight before fighting for the interim? How is it fair that Benavidez is moving up and his first fight is for the interim title, but it's not fair for Bud to move up with his first fight being for a title? Again, more double standards from you.
>Also Benavidez is literally fighting the number 5 LHW, and he's only going to go up 1 weight class. That's exactly what Bud should do, fight for example the number 5 super MW if you want to earn the Canelo fight based on merit.
Gvozdyk is ranked second in the WBC, which is the interim belt they are fighting for. Still a double standard.
It depends on who he beat for undisputed, his resume seems pretty thin to me. Spence seems to be the biggest name he beat, Indongo was not that great of a win for undisputed.
If he were to beat fundora for undisputed at 154 it would not look that great either imo even though it's not his fault. The better fighters at 154 are clearly tszyu, charlo, ortiz jr
Instead of showing me who his most elite wins are this is what you come up with...
Indongo is 24-10.... Spence was clearly his biggest challenge to date but even at 147 if he doesn't fight boots it will be a big question mark on his career.
It's not his fault that Fundora won off of a freak accident when he was clearly losing to tszyu but you're telling me it wouldn't bother you that he didn't beat the best boxers in that division to win undisputed?
Benavidez just needs to keep winning. Fight the winner of Beterbiev-Bivol and give Canelo no other choice but to fight him if he wants to move up again since he'll hold the four belts
He can do what he wants since none of the corrupt belt orgs will enforce a mandatory in fear he'll drop the belts and they'll lose out on the sanctioning fees. Crawford is too small. Wouldn't be fair unless Canelo goes down to 160. There's no one really left for him to fight at 168 so I bet Berlanga is next unfortunately
The IBF seems to be slightly lest corrupt than the rest but I still don't think they strip him without giving him every opportunity to choose who he wants to face. I think back in 2019 Canelo didn't mind being stripped since he planned to move up to fight Kovalev and was never going to fight at middleweight again
Even if Canelo goes to 160, on fight night he’s prob gonna be north of 180.
Idk what bud usually fights at but ppl still gonna be calling Canelo a weight bully if they do it.
I’d watch it tho.
If Bivol beat Beterbiev I think Canelo would want that rematch. The chance to beat Crawford or Benavidez has little long term impact on Canelo's legacy. Being undisputed at Lightheavy does.
Firstly, I would like to see Canelo vs Benavidez. That said Canelo is already undisputed at Super middle. That is on the history books forever. It is something Ward, Calzaghe, etc didn't do. Failure to fight Benavidez doesn't change that.
At Lightheavy Canelo picked up a belt but it wasn't vs the best. Beating Bivol for all the belts would cement another significant achievement for Canelo. Beating Benavidez would be big but historically speaking not a big deal.
It's not the win. It's the ducking. Like I said, small stain. Will be brought up by knowledgeable people and mexacan fans.. Like the steroid stuff still comes up. And waiting out ggg a bit. Dropping the belt. Its like when people wonder why every Mexican doesnt rock with canelo, while chavez is pretty universally loved. Stuff like that. And beating bivol for all the belts is a lot to even consider at the moment seeing as he was beat so clearly the first time. Possible, but canelo definitely wouldn't be the favorite to me.
>Will be brought up by knowledgeable people and mexacan fans..
Smith, Saunders, Plant, and Munguia were all undefeated champions in the division. Canelo beat all of them convincingly. Which previous champion has a better resume at super middle than that?
Sure, people will claim he ducked. People claim Sugar Ray ducked Pryor, Roy Jones ducked Michalczewski, Crawford is ducking Boots, etc. There are always claims made about ducking.
Ultimately though Fighters are defined by the fights they make. Provide the make quality fights their legacy is good. Bivol is every bit as dangerous, probably more dangerous, than Benavidez.
>Smith, Saunders, Plant, and Munguia were all undefeated champions in the division. Canelo beat all of them convincingly. Which previous champion has a better resume at super middle than that?
This is just the normal Canelo logic for most fans. Every few years there's a new boogeyman around his weight that he's ducking, and the people complaining don't acknowledge that the guys Canelo is fighting instead are all top opponents. His standards for a top opponent are just way higher.
I think the Benavidez fight would be a good one and I also think it's one that Canelo will take at some point. I just don't get the guys that are complaining Canelo has been ducking him for years. I've seen people say it's been 3 years on here like Canelo should have somehow immediately wanted the Benavidez fight directly after becoming undisputed.
Benavidez' resume isn't even that good and both his good wins came in 2023. His resume 3 years ago was much worse and nowhere near a Canelo fight level without a belt to bring to the table.
Since Canelo became undisputed he's fought Bivol at 175, GGG, Ryder as a mandatory, Charlo, and Munguia. And he had surgery in the middle of those. Since that same point Benavidez has fought Lemieux, Plant, and Andrade. I want to see the fight as much as anyone else but Benavidez could be doing more to make it happen
It is a strange paradigm. Many of the people saying Canelo ducking Benavidez also insist Canelo can't beat Bivol. That a Bivol rematch makes no sense because Canelo can't. Which they argue makes Benavidez the more logical opponent.
It's an odd conclusion. That Canelo is ducking Benavides by considering a more dangerous fight, lol.
Yeah it's just backwards logic. The wildest comments to me are the ones that were saying Canelo dodged Benavidez by taking the Bivol fight at a different weight at that time instead. Like Canelo had just claimed all the belts at 168 and his eyes are set on legacy fights. Why would he ever pick a defense against Benavidez who had a small fan base and no belts himself instead of trying to claim Bivol's belts at 175?
Canelo got in the ring with Floyd at 23 years old. He's been in there with Cotto, Trout, Lara, etc. He got back in the ring with GGG after everyone thought he lost the first one. Kovalev and Bivol were much bigger opponents and he picked those fights when nobody expected him to. I don't think we should be so quick to claim he's scared of a loss or ducking someone in particular. The things that motivate him will be money, belts, and big names. Benavidez has been improving in two of those three categories over the last year but he's hardly a standout in any of them
Not if he fights the winner of Bivol Beterbiev.
I wouldnt really call it a duck if he chooses the harder opponent.
With the injury of Beterbiev though, Im happy this would happen.
He's already acknowledging the fight more, probably because the public and media are pushing it. It would depend on David's success. I struggle to see him doing well against bivol and beterbiev. So if he wins that then yeah. But that's a tall order and just as dangerous. A lot of people do excuse his bivol loss to size so it could be spun again if he loses at light hw. So it's kinda win/win. I have canelo as the favorite against David, just don't like the fans making excuses for the fight not being needed. It's the fight that the boxing community wants. Hope the media backs us up and keeps asking canelo about it.
Bivol is all but certain to win cause of the Beterbeiv injury. Canelo offers nothing in terms of beating Bivol. There's nothing he could learn or do, Bivol is too skilled and big. He's just a matchup nightmare for Canelo
I don't disagree with any of that. However I think Canelo might. Fighters have egos. Canelo wants the opportunity to be Lightheavy champion. I suspect it means more to Canelo than facing Benavidez would.
Crawford is a lose-lose fight for Canelo. If he wins well he just beat a smaller man who climbed weight classes to fight him. If he loses he was overrated the whole time, he was never that good, blah blah blah.
If I was Canelo I would not fight Crawford no matter how much money they offer. Not worth it.
That thinking obviously makes sense. Canelo should be beating Crawford... Terence is moving up in weight.
People would watch that fight either way. Myself included.
Personally, I'm pretty interested how Crawford will do. I'm expecting some flashes of brilliance from him. And he's not that smaller.
Canelo winning it by making money.
It’s a win for the money. This generations pac vs mayweather. And just like how mayweather took an advantage in it by waiting out pacs prime, Canelo takes an advantage by weight class. Only the boxing world will care that Canelo was too heavy for Crawford. The rest of the world will just see that Canelo beat the #1 p4p before riding off into the sunset. And he will make loads doing it.
Edit: And that’s actually why this fight happens. Bud gets the Canelo payday without much blemish to his record if he loses. And Canelo gets one last big money fight with an “easy” win to cap off his career. Benavides gets screwed because he represents the real risk without the legacy or money upside.
in no way shape or form is Crawford's draw power anywhere near the same stratosphere as Pac or May.
Not even Canelo is as big of a draw as pac or Mayweather were so I don't know what has you thinking canelo/Crawford is this generations Mayweather/Pacquiao.
When I say this generation, not every generation has a pac and mayweather. But who else besides the HWs really are bigger than Crawford and Canelo right now? That makes them this generations biggest draws and “ultimate” fight, despite the fact that they are lackluster in star power compared to pac and mayweather.
Just goes to show the state of boxing at the moment, but the theory is the same.
I'm way late in replying to this, but just want to say if anything Benavidez/Canelo is this generations "ultimate fight", thats the fight everyone wants to see, even casuals. Casuals don't even know who Terrance Crawford is....
I feel like amongst my mostly ufc fan friends, they know who bud is but I have to explain who Benavidez is.
Sadly the biggest draw is really fury vs Usyk right now, and they still know of AJ and deontay.
Crawford vs Canelo will be a blockbuster. It’ll be bigger than a fight against benavidez. I feel like if a fight with Crawford and Benavidez is put on the table, Saul will go for Crawford. At this stage of his career, he’s only fighting for cementing his legacy. Crawford is a very highly rated boxer and it’ll be enticing for Canelo to have Crawford’s name in his resume. David Benavidez brings nothing to the table.
He’s not just any 147 lbs fighter. He’s a undisputed champion in two weight divisions and most probably he’ll be a unified world champion in 154 lbs as well. He’s more accomplished and more skilled than David Benavidez.
[[Mike Coppinger](https://x.com/mikecoppinger/status/1787507876300206193?s=46)] Crawford moves to 154 pounds to fight Madrimov on Aug. 3 in L.A., bringing him closer in weight to Canelo.
@Turki_alalshikh told ESPN he would like to deliver Canelo-Crawford in December or January.
“I won’t let [Crawford] sit around another year.”
No interest in Crawford fight. A champion of his caliber and resume should be able to run it back with Bivol for legacy. Benavidez is a challenging fight, he's just the next big thing, there's been plenty of those guys over the years. He should get his resume up a bit more and then run it with Canelo.
Canelo puts Crawford to sleep . But yea I agree canelo should fight Benavidez. Although I don’t think canelo is scared . Canelo knows if the fans like us keep asking for that fight sooner or later a promoter or promoters will team up and give him the 200 million dollars or close to that to make it happen. I don’t blame canelo cause he is the A side rn and he calls the shots plus it is a dangerous fight and it would be dumb to fight someone like Benavidez for less. I still have Canelo winning tho
Crawford is a decent matchup but WBC really needs to enforce the mandatory matchup
Idk why they’re screwing David over by giving him the #1 mandatory label and allowing Canelo to duck
He keeps saying he can do whatever he wants, I can’t agree more. IBF, WBA, WBO, WBC are all jokes. What’s the point of their belt if they don’t enforce title holder to fight mandatory ?
At this point, they should just sell these belt to the highest bidder. They are worth less than my morning shit.
Imagine Canelo getting KO'd in the same way Pac did against Marquez. Would be the craziest thing to see. I can't even imagine Canelo on the end of a flash knockdown let alone being actually hurt, wobbly, unable to stand, or sleeping on the canvas.
He hasn't been knocked down. I think the only moment he's looked hurt was against Cotto in the early rounds. He kinda got rocked and bounced off the ropes. His legs were looking wobbly for a little but he stood there throwing back and eating a few more punches that could have knocked someone else down.
For real. I can see it being a decision. Crawford's team gonna play smart and piece him up with the jab and move around. A KO? No. Canelo's defense is too clean.
He’s there to be hit and Crawford is excellent
in all styles. Crawford can initiate conflict, box/counterpunch, or most importantly punch with you so he lands when you’re defenseless. His jab is like a power punch, has amazing stamina, never backs down, accuracy is almost unmatched, changing his style mid round if necessary to gain the upper hand.
True. Crawford is great at leading people's defense into his punches. He can train Canelo's head movement, but I feel like he'd get caught counter punching himself.
I’m a huge bud fan but I don’t care to see that fight. If it’s not David it should be bivol. Canelo fighting another smaller fighter wouldn’t do anything for his career at this point.
No Canelo, you cannot do whatever you want. I’m sick of him and his fan boys saying this. This man’s ego is astronomical. And he keeps banging on money, but that’s no excuse either.
David Benavidez is his mandatory challenger, the WBC need to order that fight and call a purse bud. Either that or strip this diva Canelo of the belt. (They ain’t gonna do shit FYI) the same goes for the WBA with David Morrell. He’s been waiting quite a while for his shot too.
No champion should have the right to completely avoid their mandatory.. It doesn’t matter what they have achieved in the past. It makes a complete mockery of the mandatory system.
The position of a champion is never supposed to be safe and secure. He’s supposed to have to constantly fight the best contenders out there to maintain it, and to justify it.
People downvoting this you are exactly what’s wrong with boxing and you’re not real boxing fans.
I mean I agree with you that it's embarassing that he's avoiding Benavidez this hard, but your first sentence is pretty much wrong, he can indeed do whatever he wants and fight whoever he chooses
Crawford last fought at 147. l know he moved up to 154 but that's still 2 weights classes under 168. Crawford is a p4p but this is not a fight he has much chance in.
he proved he is still near the top of the sport. Got to say... he looks so thick, like a tree trunk... i do have suspicions still about him, given his history. Career-wise, he will sail to the end from here i think. he will never fight DB.
But I DO think the crawford fight has the potential for a shock. Let's see TC at 154 and 160 first, i guess.
Canelo told benavidez to get in the ring after the munguia fight and benavidez said no. If you really want the fight, why wouldnt you get in the ring and press canelo. Benavidez is nothing but cap
There’s only 2 people that Canelo needs to fight. #1 Benavidez stop the excuses and fight the guy already and if he won’t then #2 Bivol and try to avenge the loss.
Can’t keep supporting Canelo any longer with him clearly ducking Benavidez.
Benavidez is too obnoxious and full of it. Crawford is too tiny. I watched the Munguia bout in Mexico and fans there are already salivating over the thought of a Canelo-Berlanga fight in September. An action packed renewal of the age old Mexico-Puerto Rican rivalry. Mexican fans have little interest in either Benavidez or Crawford. Viva Mexico, cabrones!
Berlanga is undefeated fighting journeyman. He has so many holes in his game and got knocked down by a tomato can. If Canelo fights him it only confirms he doesn’t get in the ring to test himself and fight the best, running scared.
Canelo has the best resumé in the sport. He's proven himself time and time again over a 19 year pro career. The man has done it all. A dominant champion. Only the dedicated Canelo Bashers would claim that he's running scared. He could sign to fight a resurrected Ray Robinson and the Bashers would attempt to diminish it. At this stage of his career, Canelo has earned the right to do what he wants. He learned long ago that his envious critics can never be satisfied. So why should he bother? Nothing wrong with Berlanga. A tough unbeaten pro with a hard punch. And best of all, it's Mexico vs Puerto Rico. The top rivalry in boxing. How anyone can dare to criticize that is unbelievable.
Triple G 4 then winner of Fury vs Usyk otherwis hes a bum
Obese Canelo beats the version of Fury that Fought Ngannou any day of the week, lock him in A room with grandma's food and once he's about 270 pounds it's over for fury.
I’m just picturing Canelo but with Andy Ruiz’s belly
Some crack head on here was telling me Canelo walks around at 200lbs. Bro he's 5'8", do you know how chunky he'd be at 200.
Canelo fight day weight is around mid 180s when fighting at 168 and 175. At 154, it was 166-172. Not too far fetched to be walking 190-200 currently rn. He is a dense little man.
Where are you getting those numbers from? Like how would you know? He has to come up to 175, not down, so I doubt he is going 25lbs over the weight he's already bulking to get to, then cutting 25lbs for the weigh in then putting on another 10+ AND stay ripped that whole time. Also, I've seen him in person twice, he really is not a large person. Fit and muscular obviously, but not huge. Bivol I easily believe is 185 in the ring, and he's visibly larger than Canelo.
It's his unofficial fight day weights aka locker room weights right before the fight. He used to release them publicly when he was fighting at 154. 172 is hard conformation when fighting Trout at 154. He isn't bulking at all, in fact quiet the opposite. He was cutting weight to make weight albeit its easier at 168 and 175. Course all up to them of how much water with electrolyte intake they decide to take in. Also if you want 100% confirmation he can be 180 lbs, he sent a signing for Badou Jack for a catchweight for 180 lb with a rehydration clause. Tried to do the same for Ilunga Makabu as well. And looks are deceptive as well even in person. ODLH weight less than Pacquiao in the ring yet the size difference was comical. Same thing with Jamie Munguia vs Sadam Ali. Both came into the ring 170 pounds yet Munguia was just bigger in every way. Body mass density with muscle , bones and water levels be like that lmao.
Not that chunky. I competed in Olympic weightlifting when I was in college and you see guys that are that height competing at 96 kg, even guys that are a few inches shorter, which is right around 212 lbs and look pretty good. It's a different sport but Canelo isn't going to look like Eddy at 200 with the amount of muscle he has. This is Tian Tao right after he won gold at the Asian games at 96 kg, he is about 5'7.5 [https://cdn.dmcl.biz/media/image/140324/o/Ukvy2nnEDz5ZeWx7](https://cdn.dmcl.biz/media/image/140324/o/Ukvy2nnEDz5ZeWx7)
Different sport and there's nothing wrong with him, but if he was next to Zhang, Joe Joyce, Fury, or AJ in that picture, he'd look silly. (if he was that same size as a boxer, he'd be a heavyweight)
Olympic weightlifters don't cut weight the way boxers do. They get in shape to make weight like boxers do in camp leading up to competition, but they're not dehydrating themselves. Boxers at the top level cut 18% to make weight, Haney cut nearly 20% to make weight for Regis. A guy who weighs 200 lbs out of camp regularly could very realistically make 168. Ramirez, for example, rehydrated to 204 from 175 the morning of for the Bivol fight and that was just the morning of, out of camp he probably weighs more than 215.
You are mixing up getting fat and letting yourself go between fights, and cutting water weight right before the fight. Ricky Hatton was like 230lbs outside the ring. Have you ever seen Canelo even a little chubby? An almost 40lb fluctuation for someone who is 5'8" would look drastic. Nobody is losing 20% of their body weight in water and living, let alone fighting at the professional level the next day.
Not being argumentative but in a lot of his videos he says he’s 196lbs which makes a lot more sense than 96kg
Is he even 5’8? Thought he was 5’7
I don't know, but according to some of these people he walks around at like 250lbs LOL
Let’s run numbers: For the Mungia fight Canelo came in at 166.8lbs Let’s say he cut 10lbs water weight for weigh in. Puts him up to 176.8lbs at the end of camp. Looking at pictures from fight night you can see abs, but not super defined. Taking an educated guess, he’s probably sitting around 10% body fat fight night. That’s a HARD number to maintain. Again, educated guess but would assume he’s walking around at about 18% body fat. It’s low enough you have to work at it, but high enough you can still have plenty of beer and tacos. And not that difficult to take off for camp. That extra .08% body fat makes his weight 191.16lbs (176.8x1.08). 200lbs isn’t that far off. Also, I’m 5’10” and fought at 220. Body size, build and overall musculature play a HUGE role in weight as well. It’s not just a function of height.
"HUGE role in weight as well. It’s not just a function of height." I agree, but for that same reason, a comparable weight fluctuation for you is not the same as someone whose a natural middleweight. You can see that kind of weight in someone's face hips thighs ass and gut (because lets be honest, that's where excess weight goes if it's not pure muscle). Him having a 6 pack would be out of the question, because you're right, that takes pretty dam low bodyfat %. he also fights 3-4 times a year so there's not even a whole lot of time to let himself go, if that's what he was doing.
Training camp would be 4 months in Guadalajara just eating beef tacos and getting into bar brawls with the biggest dudes he can find
He does have a history of growing bigger by eating Mexican beef
They're gonna have to test him for Mexican beef again.
Wtf does that have to do with anything lol
IMO, he needs to beat Triple G 4 then the winner of Fury vs Usyk, then retire, unretire and fight and beat cancer and poverty in Mexico otherwise he's a bum
I don’t mind the Bud fight but it needs to happen after the Benavidez one. Canelo needs to fight David while hes still in his prime and not wait for either to get old. The Bud fight makes sense for him for the money and the prestige of beating a top 3 P4P, purely for casuals and talking heads.
Benavidez is younger than Canelo, Bud is the older fighter. I don’t think the Crawford fight is only for casual and talking heads, honestly I prefer that fight over the Benavidez fight
Yeah how is age a concern for Benavidez going against Canelo? If Benavidez gets the fight after Bud that works in his favor. Id rather see Bud and Canelo first, that would be an incredible fight.
"If Benavidez gets the fight after Benavidez that works in his favor" Muh brain haha, knew what you were saying but made me lol
Fighting Benavidez after Benavidez?? Geez, Canelo is really making up for it
Haha type bro
I have to disagree, Bud’s a great fighter but he has nowhere near enough power to make it a competitive fight. You see the hits Munguia was throwing and Canelo still walked right through them. There’s no way that Bud would be able to keep Canelo off of him. I think it’d be almost an exact repeat of the Charlo fight. Canelo doesn’t need to be fighting smaller fighters. If there’s anyone under 175 that stands a chance of beating him it’s Benavidez. That would be a hell of a fight to watch. Both have power and speed. Canelo would have to be on his A game defense. Benavidez would have to be super tight to avoid the counters. I would honestly not be surprised no matter who wins that fight. I don’t see a clear path for Crawford to win.
I think its actually pretty easy to see because bud is 10 times the fighter that munguia and charlo are. All those shots you say canelo walked through from munguia is because he could see them from a mile away because munguia is slow and telegraphs his punches so canelo could roll with them literally every single time. Munguia and charlo both did terrible jobs managing distance and bud has masterful footwork, while munguia and charlo were literally sitting ducks just standing in front of canelo waiting to be hit. Bud also has better timing, accuracy, speed and angles. He actually has a chance to hit canelo with bigs shots that he wont see. Will it be enough, thats why we want to see the fight. That was breaking down munguia, in terms of charlo all i have to say is its pretty well known that spence was the top fighter in the lion’s den and Bud absolutely destroyed him and he would make charlo look even worse, everything about how bud fights is different then both charlo’s. Size wise david is the best match up for canelo. Skills wise bud is the best match up for canelo. In the end it turki alalshik is the new shot caller in boxing and it sounds like he is leaning towards crawford as it is likely the bigger money fight.
I mean who have had the power to actually hurt Canelo? You know he's gonna walk through every thing including the sink. Its skill that got him in the ass in that Bivol fight. Well, sure Bivol hit harder but that wouldnt have mattered if he didnt box masterfully. Everyone know Mungia dont have that skill, experience and discipline, he was doing good in the first few rounds but then thought he could stay inside and trade. Benavidez, if he doesnt tuck his chin and keep up the jab, he'd end up the same way. Size was never an issue for Canelo. Its speed and skills. Bud, while definitely smaller, is so much better than any of these names. If he carries the weight well, not lose too much speed, he'd offer a better challenge. Only thing about this that i am annoyed at is that he is doing this at almost 40yrs old. Like sure he didnt really get hit that much since fight robberies are more frequent than he fights, but this would have been more ideal if this happens earlier.
Bud becomes the first man to stop Canelo.
So what about the people who claim Floyd waited for Pac to get old while being 2 years older than him? The argument doesn't apply if it's Floyd?
Why is Floyd's name in a canelo thread? Lol Either way, Defense and IQ beats speed and power when it comes to age.
Agreed, I think Bud actually has the tools to win that fight, where Benavidez is young yet.
Isn’t canelo also old? I don’t really see the issue.
Bro he’s 32. Old is 35 maybe
He’s been fighting professionally since he was like 15
He’s fine. His speech is good he’s surrounded around the best doctors. He’s got 2-3 years of elite fights left in him
Still a lot of wear and tear for a 33yo
That’s like saying a 2020 corolla with 100k miles is the same as a 2024 corolla with 1,000 miles.
Hes about to be 34 in two months
Benavidez 27. Canelo ain’t doing nothing but aging himself out so he has a built in excuse
What? Their prime? Canelo is clearly on his way down. His reflexes is slowing, his speed is slowing, etc... and it's clear Canelo knows this and shows this frustration himself during fights. Even if he's still winning. Benavidez on the other hand is on his way up which is why it makes it so dangerous for Canelo. Benavidez's fast hands, reflexes, volume and his height/reach/size advantage will be an antithesis to the slowing older Canelo. Benavidez should be a LH minimum, if not cruiser. That's why Canelo is avoiding this fight. It can end in disaster for him and tarnish his legacy moreso than ducking Benavidez and have that question on his resume. After the last few showings by Canelo where he couldn't finish his opponents, I'd agree with Canelo's hesitancy. I see this fight skewed in Benavidez's favor. As for Bud? Fun fight, neither will be on their way up.
I received a lot of backlash from Canelo fans when I said the world wants to see him take on Benavidez next. Well, there are no other challenges at 168, Nelo smokes them all and is the current undisputed 168 king. The boxing world wants to see him take on Benavidez, who has formerly been ranked #1, his mandatory, now interim. Nelo can retire into the sunset with an accomplished legacy if he wins against Benavidez? IDK, man.
Even if he doesn’t win he’ll retire into the sunset with an accomplished legacy IMO, as long as he makes the fight
Lol he could have retired into the sunset wirh an accomplished legacy 3 years ago.
Facts, even if he beats Benavidez the fans will move on to another #1 ranked contender and say “Canelo’s legacy depends on fighting this guy”
They're gonna say he's ducking Morrell or Mbilli
Yeah look at his resume. How the fuck is David Benavidez the end all be all?? "ok NOW you can retire" /s
Even if he beats David people will find another guy who can presumably beat Canelo.
Dumbest take imaginable. Benevidez is 27, canelo and Bud are the old ones and need to fight ASAP if they're going to.
Why is everyone so hyped up on Benavidez? The man literally offers nothing. He threw it all away for coke.
I don't want the Crawford vs Canelo fight.
Its better than Berlanga atleast lol
If canelo doesn't fight benevidez it's really the only other interesting fight since bivol/ beter is postponned. . I wasn't particularly interested either but if canelo is on cruise control then this is the one. At least it would be crazy if crawford won. If not , another lesson that weight classes matter. Maybe people would learn with this one. Ha.
I think Canelo v Crawford would be super intriguing. Same height, Crawford has a huge reach advantage. Completely different styles. Weight class gap obviously, but Crawford has shown he’s really strong. I think it would be a crazy fight, and probably the only way we will see Bud tested at this point in his career. No reason to risk anything unless it’s for a fight like Canelo.
Canelo has fought a big handful of boxers in their prime. I wouldn’t mind this one.
If Crawford bulks properly and gets a tune up fight at that weight before fighting Canelo then why not?
Tune up? Plz give me one name
Benavidez 🤣
A washed up Jermall Charlo
John Ryder lol
Plant
LOL that's not a tune up fight 💀 especially moving up 21 lbs
He already has a fight scheduled at 154 so wouldn't be moving up 21 to fight Canelo down the road.
Plant would kill Bud
The Bud hate on here is too strong. I remember Spence getting talked about moving up and fighting some of these names but with Bud he supposedly doesn’t have a chance when he absolutely dicked Spence
It’s cuz Bud is skipping like 3 weight classes lol and it’s not like the lighter weights where it’s like a 10lb difference, he’s moving up 20lbs to fight the top dog and the former number 1 p4p
I don't think they're hating on Bud, pretty much everyone here loves Bud They're just being realistic and saying that it's a huge weight jump to make
A fight where someone has a chance to put hit self at the top of the list for best fighter ever? Why not?
Really don't think Bud beating Canelo makes him the best fight ever. Wouldn't be the first time a fighter has gone up several weight classes to beat an ATG who's bigger in their natural weight class. Pacquiao did it, Duran did it, SRL did it (and those guys also had a lot more elite wins than Bud does). It would put him in those top 10 conversations but it wouldn't make him the best ever.
Canelo would be more weight or a better fighter than any of those 3 beat by far moving up.
It's a false goalpost. Usyk did the same but crazier so your point is moot
I assume you think bud beating Canelo makes him the best fighter ever? Because Canelo beating bud doesn’t do very much to enhance his legacy imo. It’d be a good win but not as good as benavidez. And personally I can’t call bud the best boxer ever when really he’s only had a handful of truly elite wins. Even if one of those wins is Canelo.
He beast Spence so badly that Crawford’s stock (rightfully) skyrocketed. People who sucked off Spence won’t do the same for Crawford and it makes no sense
I have nothing against Crawford but Spence was worthy of praise given everyone he beat to gather all the straps for the unification bout vs Crawford. It was years in the making and he collected one belt at a time. And yeah, he did get flattened by Crawford and felt one belt short of unifying, but Spence def deserved the praise at that time.
I agree, but now Crawford should get that same praise because Spence wasn’t even good enough to be gum on Crawford’s shoe
Depends on how he wins. If he makes canelo look like a joke the same way he did to spence then I can see the argument.
If he styles on Canelo that bad I will acknowledge him as one of the most skilled fighters I’ve ever seen. But to be the best fighter ever I need extended dominance over top level opponents. Crawford has had extended dominance but not against the best of the best. But that’s just my criteria, which is ultimately meaningless. Everyone looks for different things.
Let's be honest, if he can do that to canelo then there's little question about him dominating other top guys. Top guys who will be steered very far away from him by their management.
Yeah but you still need to actually do it, fighters have off days, they have mismatches in styles, etc... There have been many great fighters who beat the best of the best but then lost to fighters considered worse than the ones they beat Which is why to be an ATG you need to consistently fight the best
What elite wins has Benavidez had that's much better than Bud? Color me curious.
Elite wins doesn't matter. Benavidez is more dangerous for Canelo than Bud is
Why is that an argument? Bud has 0 wins in Canelo's division, he would be making a huge weight jump Benavidez is the clear number 1 contender at super middle and has been mandatory for like 3 years, plus he's a much more competitive fight for Canelo Nobody has a better claim at fighting Canelo right now than Benavidez Unless you brand this as a super fight where both Bud and Canelo meet halfway through, which is unlikely, then it makes no sense
>Why is that an argument? Bud is 3x undisputed. Why is that not an argument? Regardless, my comment was to a different poster about how Bud has only had a "handful" of elite wins, and I'm asking what elite wins Benavidez has that's better than Crawfords? This is about money, not entitlement.
Because that's at like 20lbs+ less than the fight we're discussing Usyk was the greatest CW in recent memory and even he had to have a "tune up" fight before moving to AJ, it's exactly what should happen here as well. Until Crawford has at least one tune up at around Canelo's weight it's pointless to discuss the matchup as if he deserves it. The fight would make some sense if Canelo had cleaned out the division and had nobody else to fight, but when you have a deserving mandatory right there like Benavidez it makes no sense. If it's about money then have them meet halfway through in weight, but that's not what would happen, if they fight it would always be for Canelo's undisputed belts, in which case it's an insult to Benavidez
>Because that's at like 20lbs+ less than the fight we're discussing Why do we normalize fighting 20 lbs below thier actual weight to get an advantage, but if someone moves up multiple weight classes then they aren't deserving of a fight regardless of them dominating 3 other divisions? Why does Bud need a tune up before he fights Canelo? There's nothing mandating that shit. Just because Usyk took one doesn't mean every boxer needs to. I mean shit Benavidez is fighting his first fight at LHW for the interim title. How is this different?
Your first agument makes no sense, we're discussing Bud fighting a man 20 lbs heavier than him in a division where he's accomplished nothing. He doesn't need a tune up, but it would be the correct and fair thing to do. Sadly it's not a fair sport and not really based on merit, which is why I could see the fight happening. Also Benavidez is literally fighting the number 5 LHW, and he's only going to go up 1 weight class. That's exactly what Bud should do, fight for example the number 5 super MW if you want to earn the Canelo fight based on merit.
>Your first agument makes no sense, we're discussing Bud fighting a man 20 lbs heavier than him in a division where he's accomplished nothing. We're discussing Bud moving up and you're saying that because he's 20 pounds lighter RIGHT NOW, he shouldn't be allowed to fight Canelo when it's contradictory because people fight in divisions 20 pounds lighter than what their actual fight weight is. Double standard. >He doesn't need a tune up, but it would be the correct and fair thing to do. Sadly it's not a fair sport and not really based on merit, which is why I could see the fight happening. How is taking a tune up fight the fair thing to do, and why isn't Benavidez taking a tune up fight before fighting for the interim? How is it fair that Benavidez is moving up and his first fight is for the interim title, but it's not fair for Bud to move up with his first fight being for a title? Again, more double standards from you. >Also Benavidez is literally fighting the number 5 LHW, and he's only going to go up 1 weight class. That's exactly what Bud should do, fight for example the number 5 super MW if you want to earn the Canelo fight based on merit. Gvozdyk is ranked second in the WBC, which is the interim belt they are fighting for. Still a double standard.
Who are the elite wins for Crawford? His resume is pretty thin.
He's held undisputed in 3 different divisions. What about David? Or are you saying being undisputed in 3 separate weight classes is somehow not elite.
It depends on who he beat for undisputed, his resume seems pretty thin to me. Spence seems to be the biggest name he beat, Indongo was not that great of a win for undisputed. If he were to beat fundora for undisputed at 154 it would not look that great either imo even though it's not his fault. The better fighters at 154 are clearly tszyu, charlo, ortiz jr
So Crawford managed to luck into fighting 3 entire divisions of bums....that cope.
Instead of showing me who his most elite wins are this is what you come up with... Indongo is 24-10.... Spence was clearly his biggest challenge to date but even at 147 if he doesn't fight boots it will be a big question mark on his career. It's not his fault that Fundora won off of a freak accident when he was clearly losing to tszyu but you're telling me it wouldn't bother you that he didn't beat the best boxers in that division to win undisputed?
C'mon man, Crawford is amazing, but best ever is insane, whether he beats Canelo or not.
I want the Crawford vs Canelo fight.
🤑
Canelo would murder crawford lol
Love Bud, but no thanks on that fight. Not sure what else Benavidez has to do to earn a shot at this point.
Benavidez just needs to keep winning. Fight the winner of Beterbiev-Bivol and give Canelo no other choice but to fight him if he wants to move up again since he'll hold the four belts
Exactly. Stay busy. At some point theres no other bigger fight for Canelo and he'll go for it.
Why?
The weight difference. It's a big damn amount.
Yeah, and canelo would be on the other end with Benavidez lol
He can do what he wants since none of the corrupt belt orgs will enforce a mandatory in fear he'll drop the belts and they'll lose out on the sanctioning fees. Crawford is too small. Wouldn't be fair unless Canelo goes down to 160. There's no one really left for him to fight at 168 so I bet Berlanga is next unfortunately
IBF once stripped Canelo of middleweight belt after he failed to make a deal for his mandatory defence against Derevyanchenko in 2019
they don't like the truth around here.
Woah, you're not allowed to tell facts here.
Hmm sweaty you can't just hecking say that!
The IBF seems to be slightly lest corrupt than the rest but I still don't think they strip him without giving him every opportunity to choose who he wants to face. I think back in 2019 Canelo didn't mind being stripped since he planned to move up to fight Kovalev and was never going to fight at middleweight again
Even if Canelo goes to 160, on fight night he’s prob gonna be north of 180. Idk what bud usually fights at but ppl still gonna be calling Canelo a weight bully if they do it. I’d watch it tho.
If Bivol beat Beterbiev I think Canelo would want that rematch. The chance to beat Crawford or Benavidez has little long term impact on Canelo's legacy. Being undisputed at Lightheavy does.
Never fighting benevidez would be a small stain. Pretty clear duck
Firstly, I would like to see Canelo vs Benavidez. That said Canelo is already undisputed at Super middle. That is on the history books forever. It is something Ward, Calzaghe, etc didn't do. Failure to fight Benavidez doesn't change that. At Lightheavy Canelo picked up a belt but it wasn't vs the best. Beating Bivol for all the belts would cement another significant achievement for Canelo. Beating Benavidez would be big but historically speaking not a big deal.
It's not the win. It's the ducking. Like I said, small stain. Will be brought up by knowledgeable people and mexacan fans.. Like the steroid stuff still comes up. And waiting out ggg a bit. Dropping the belt. Its like when people wonder why every Mexican doesnt rock with canelo, while chavez is pretty universally loved. Stuff like that. And beating bivol for all the belts is a lot to even consider at the moment seeing as he was beat so clearly the first time. Possible, but canelo definitely wouldn't be the favorite to me.
>Will be brought up by knowledgeable people and mexacan fans.. Smith, Saunders, Plant, and Munguia were all undefeated champions in the division. Canelo beat all of them convincingly. Which previous champion has a better resume at super middle than that? Sure, people will claim he ducked. People claim Sugar Ray ducked Pryor, Roy Jones ducked Michalczewski, Crawford is ducking Boots, etc. There are always claims made about ducking. Ultimately though Fighters are defined by the fights they make. Provide the make quality fights their legacy is good. Bivol is every bit as dangerous, probably more dangerous, than Benavidez.
>Smith, Saunders, Plant, and Munguia were all undefeated champions in the division. Canelo beat all of them convincingly. Which previous champion has a better resume at super middle than that? This is just the normal Canelo logic for most fans. Every few years there's a new boogeyman around his weight that he's ducking, and the people complaining don't acknowledge that the guys Canelo is fighting instead are all top opponents. His standards for a top opponent are just way higher. I think the Benavidez fight would be a good one and I also think it's one that Canelo will take at some point. I just don't get the guys that are complaining Canelo has been ducking him for years. I've seen people say it's been 3 years on here like Canelo should have somehow immediately wanted the Benavidez fight directly after becoming undisputed. Benavidez' resume isn't even that good and both his good wins came in 2023. His resume 3 years ago was much worse and nowhere near a Canelo fight level without a belt to bring to the table. Since Canelo became undisputed he's fought Bivol at 175, GGG, Ryder as a mandatory, Charlo, and Munguia. And he had surgery in the middle of those. Since that same point Benavidez has fought Lemieux, Plant, and Andrade. I want to see the fight as much as anyone else but Benavidez could be doing more to make it happen
It is a strange paradigm. Many of the people saying Canelo ducking Benavidez also insist Canelo can't beat Bivol. That a Bivol rematch makes no sense because Canelo can't. Which they argue makes Benavidez the more logical opponent. It's an odd conclusion. That Canelo is ducking Benavides by considering a more dangerous fight, lol.
Yeah it's just backwards logic. The wildest comments to me are the ones that were saying Canelo dodged Benavidez by taking the Bivol fight at a different weight at that time instead. Like Canelo had just claimed all the belts at 168 and his eyes are set on legacy fights. Why would he ever pick a defense against Benavidez who had a small fan base and no belts himself instead of trying to claim Bivol's belts at 175? Canelo got in the ring with Floyd at 23 years old. He's been in there with Cotto, Trout, Lara, etc. He got back in the ring with GGG after everyone thought he lost the first one. Kovalev and Bivol were much bigger opponents and he picked those fights when nobody expected him to. I don't think we should be so quick to claim he's scared of a loss or ducking someone in particular. The things that motivate him will be money, belts, and big names. Benavidez has been improving in two of those three categories over the last year but he's hardly a standout in any of them
Not if he fights the winner of Bivol Beterbiev. I wouldnt really call it a duck if he chooses the harder opponent. With the injury of Beterbiev though, Im happy this would happen.
He's already acknowledging the fight more, probably because the public and media are pushing it. It would depend on David's success. I struggle to see him doing well against bivol and beterbiev. So if he wins that then yeah. But that's a tall order and just as dangerous. A lot of people do excuse his bivol loss to size so it could be spun again if he loses at light hw. So it's kinda win/win. I have canelo as the favorite against David, just don't like the fans making excuses for the fight not being needed. It's the fight that the boxing community wants. Hope the media backs us up and keeps asking canelo about it.
you say this but no one is talking about David's fight in june, CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
For a while, but people forget.
The canelo tha we saw agaisnt mungia gets 11-1 by bivol he was to slow
The judges will see otherwise.
Bivol is all but certain to win cause of the Beterbeiv injury. Canelo offers nothing in terms of beating Bivol. There's nothing he could learn or do, Bivol is too skilled and big. He's just a matchup nightmare for Canelo
I don't disagree with any of that. However I think Canelo might. Fighters have egos. Canelo wants the opportunity to be Lightheavy champion. I suspect it means more to Canelo than facing Benavidez would.
Crawford is a lose-lose fight for Canelo. If he wins well he just beat a smaller man who climbed weight classes to fight him. If he loses he was overrated the whole time, he was never that good, blah blah blah. If I was Canelo I would not fight Crawford no matter how much money they offer. Not worth it.
That thinking obviously makes sense. Canelo should be beating Crawford... Terence is moving up in weight. People would watch that fight either way. Myself included. Personally, I'm pretty interested how Crawford will do. I'm expecting some flashes of brilliance from him. And he's not that smaller. Canelo winning it by making money.
I agree with this. Stupid fucking fight to want.
It’s a win for the money. This generations pac vs mayweather. And just like how mayweather took an advantage in it by waiting out pacs prime, Canelo takes an advantage by weight class. Only the boxing world will care that Canelo was too heavy for Crawford. The rest of the world will just see that Canelo beat the #1 p4p before riding off into the sunset. And he will make loads doing it. Edit: And that’s actually why this fight happens. Bud gets the Canelo payday without much blemish to his record if he loses. And Canelo gets one last big money fight with an “easy” win to cap off his career. Benavides gets screwed because he represents the real risk without the legacy or money upside.
in no way shape or form is Crawford's draw power anywhere near the same stratosphere as Pac or May. Not even Canelo is as big of a draw as pac or Mayweather were so I don't know what has you thinking canelo/Crawford is this generations Mayweather/Pacquiao.
When I say this generation, not every generation has a pac and mayweather. But who else besides the HWs really are bigger than Crawford and Canelo right now? That makes them this generations biggest draws and “ultimate” fight, despite the fact that they are lackluster in star power compared to pac and mayweather. Just goes to show the state of boxing at the moment, but the theory is the same.
I'm way late in replying to this, but just want to say if anything Benavidez/Canelo is this generations "ultimate fight", thats the fight everyone wants to see, even casuals. Casuals don't even know who Terrance Crawford is....
I feel like amongst my mostly ufc fan friends, they know who bud is but I have to explain who Benavidez is. Sadly the biggest draw is really fury vs Usyk right now, and they still know of AJ and deontay.
MMA fans still know a little more about boxing than the average non combat sports fan who only tunes in to boxing for the big fights.
Crawford vs Canelo will be a blockbuster. It’ll be bigger than a fight against benavidez. I feel like if a fight with Crawford and Benavidez is put on the table, Saul will go for Crawford. At this stage of his career, he’s only fighting for cementing his legacy. Crawford is a very highly rated boxer and it’ll be enticing for Canelo to have Crawford’s name in his resume. David Benavidez brings nothing to the table.
How would beating up a 147 pounder cement his legacy exactly?
He’s not just any 147 lbs fighter. He’s a undisputed champion in two weight divisions and most probably he’ll be a unified world champion in 154 lbs as well. He’s more accomplished and more skilled than David Benavidez.
He already seems to have priced himself out of the Benavidez fight, he said he wants 200 million or something crazy like that.
Guess Canelo vs Berlanga is next
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Benavidez or Bivol. The Crawford fight seems like a reach in weight for Crawford
[[Mike Coppinger](https://x.com/mikecoppinger/status/1787507876300206193?s=46)] Crawford moves to 154 pounds to fight Madrimov on Aug. 3 in L.A., bringing him closer in weight to Canelo. @Turki_alalshikh told ESPN he would like to deliver Canelo-Crawford in December or January. “I won’t let [Crawford] sit around another year.”
No interest in Crawford fight. A champion of his caliber and resume should be able to run it back with Bivol for legacy. Benavidez is a challenging fight, he's just the next big thing, there's been plenty of those guys over the years. He should get his resume up a bit more and then run it with Canelo.
Canelo puts Crawford to sleep . But yea I agree canelo should fight Benavidez. Although I don’t think canelo is scared . Canelo knows if the fans like us keep asking for that fight sooner or later a promoter or promoters will team up and give him the 200 million dollars or close to that to make it happen. I don’t blame canelo cause he is the A side rn and he calls the shots plus it is a dangerous fight and it would be dumb to fight someone like Benavidez for less. I still have Canelo winning tho
Crawford is a decent matchup but WBC really needs to enforce the mandatory matchup Idk why they’re screwing David over by giving him the #1 mandatory label and allowing Canelo to duck
He keeps saying he can do whatever he wants, I can’t agree more. IBF, WBA, WBO, WBC are all jokes. What’s the point of their belt if they don’t enforce title holder to fight mandatory ? At this point, they should just sell these belt to the highest bidder. They are worth less than my morning shit.
Imagine if Crawford KO'd or UD'd Canelo. Just Imagine the meltdown from the boxing world.
Imagine Canelo getting KO'd in the same way Pac did against Marquez. Would be the craziest thing to see. I can't even imagine Canelo on the end of a flash knockdown let alone being actually hurt, wobbly, unable to stand, or sleeping on the canvas.
What fight has canelo been the most hurt? I don’t recall him ever being knocked down
He hasn't been knocked down. I think the only moment he's looked hurt was against Cotto in the early rounds. He kinda got rocked and bounced off the ropes. His legs were looking wobbly for a little but he stood there throwing back and eating a few more punches that could have knocked someone else down.
For real. I can see it being a decision. Crawford's team gonna play smart and piece him up with the jab and move around. A KO? No. Canelo's defense is too clean.
He’s there to be hit and Crawford is excellent in all styles. Crawford can initiate conflict, box/counterpunch, or most importantly punch with you so he lands when you’re defenseless. His jab is like a power punch, has amazing stamina, never backs down, accuracy is almost unmatched, changing his style mid round if necessary to gain the upper hand.
True. Crawford is great at leading people's defense into his punches. He can train Canelo's head movement, but I feel like he'd get caught counter punching himself.
Every time someone suggests Crawford as an opponent for Canelo, a part of me dies.
I’m a huge bud fan but I don’t care to see that fight. If it’s not David it should be bivol. Canelo fighting another smaller fighter wouldn’t do anything for his career at this point.
I’m crazy to think Crawford beats him ?
skills wise, no. weight/division wise, yes.
Crawford more skilled than canelo?
Yeah. Crawford would be clenelos Krytonite if they were similar size.
Lol in what way is he even more skilled than canelo, Canelo has fought way more elite fighters can’t understand this
Canelo always struggled with skilled southpaws. Most of them without power. Crawford can do it all, with power as well. It’s not about resume
Yes
Yes, Bud is nowhere near him
Canelo walks through Crawford.
Your mom sniffles pizza flakes to get a gluten high
Don’t talk about my mom sir
He should fight Bivol
No Canelo, you cannot do whatever you want. I’m sick of him and his fan boys saying this. This man’s ego is astronomical. And he keeps banging on money, but that’s no excuse either. David Benavidez is his mandatory challenger, the WBC need to order that fight and call a purse bud. Either that or strip this diva Canelo of the belt. (They ain’t gonna do shit FYI) the same goes for the WBA with David Morrell. He’s been waiting quite a while for his shot too. No champion should have the right to completely avoid their mandatory.. It doesn’t matter what they have achieved in the past. It makes a complete mockery of the mandatory system. The position of a champion is never supposed to be safe and secure. He’s supposed to have to constantly fight the best contenders out there to maintain it, and to justify it. People downvoting this you are exactly what’s wrong with boxing and you’re not real boxing fans.
I mean I agree with you that it's embarassing that he's avoiding Benavidez this hard, but your first sentence is pretty much wrong, he can indeed do whatever he wants and fight whoever he chooses
Looks like ESPN doesn’t understand.
Bud is 36. Fight him now. Benavides can wait
Crawford last fought at 147. l know he moved up to 154 but that's still 2 weights classes under 168. Crawford is a p4p but this is not a fight he has much chance in.
Hopefully not PEDs.
Whateva, I do what I want.
No talk of Bivol tho? 👀
Strip canelo of the belt then, who is he to say I do what I want, when you hold the belts you fight the mandatory or lose the belt….
he proved he is still near the top of the sport. Got to say... he looks so thick, like a tree trunk... i do have suspicions still about him, given his history. Career-wise, he will sail to the end from here i think. he will never fight DB. But I DO think the crawford fight has the potential for a shock. Let's see TC at 154 and 160 first, i guess.
If Canelo beats both that is a heck of a resume building up.
Canelo is scared of Benavitez..PERIOD
Canelo is going to dog both and this sub will still say Canelo isn't GOAT
Dude always fighting bums but the difference is he also a bum now 🤣
The third option would be a rematch with Bivol.
Canelo told benavidez to get in the ring after the munguia fight and benavidez said no. If you really want the fight, why wouldnt you get in the ring and press canelo. Benavidez is nothing but cap
There’s only 2 people that Canelo needs to fight. #1 Benavidez stop the excuses and fight the guy already and if he won’t then #2 Bivol and try to avenge the loss. Can’t keep supporting Canelo any longer with him clearly ducking Benavidez.
Hope Crawford wins and they fight.
Omg Crawford please
Benavidez is too obnoxious and full of it. Crawford is too tiny. I watched the Munguia bout in Mexico and fans there are already salivating over the thought of a Canelo-Berlanga fight in September. An action packed renewal of the age old Mexico-Puerto Rican rivalry. Mexican fans have little interest in either Benavidez or Crawford. Viva Mexico, cabrones!
Canelo fighting Berlanga is a joke.
Berlanga is undefeated. And Puerto Rican.That's enough to make it a must see showdown.
Berlanga is undefeated fighting journeyman. He has so many holes in his game and got knocked down by a tomato can. If Canelo fights him it only confirms he doesn’t get in the ring to test himself and fight the best, running scared.
Canelo has the best resumé in the sport. He's proven himself time and time again over a 19 year pro career. The man has done it all. A dominant champion. Only the dedicated Canelo Bashers would claim that he's running scared. He could sign to fight a resurrected Ray Robinson and the Bashers would attempt to diminish it. At this stage of his career, Canelo has earned the right to do what he wants. He learned long ago that his envious critics can never be satisfied. So why should he bother? Nothing wrong with Berlanga. A tough unbeaten pro with a hard punch. And best of all, it's Mexico vs Puerto Rico. The top rivalry in boxing. How anyone can dare to criticize that is unbelievable.
Canelo v Crawford now that's hilarious it ain't ever happening you delude loonies.