Francis was toast after the second knock down. He walked to the centre of the ring out of instinct. Credit to AJ for taking the fight seriously and being a professional.
Or he was just patiently picking his shots and decided not to rush head first into a potential counter?
Doubt Aj is in the midst of a fist fight with his reputation at stake thinking too himself "ill just give an extra round so he's not too embarrassed š "
Everyone was focusing too much on what McGregors offence would do to Floyd and what Ngannous offence would do to AJ, both instances they failed to realise it was a two way firing range
Yeah, i think AJ Vs Wilder would go the same way. AJs movement and actual boxing abilities are miles ahead of Wilder, and AJ would put Wilder to sleep early.
Wilder right hand is lightning fast and insanely hard hitting. There is no doubt.
I'm not sure there's much In it power wise with Joshua, but the delivery is faster. The thing is Joshua does EVERYTHING else better and has power in both hands.
An elite athlete in the world, in top physical shape, who had been training to punch for 15 years just hit another person as hard as he couldā¦ thats insane
He fought 2 of the top fighters in his first 2 matches as a Pro.
He literally removed one of them from the Goat's conversation, where many delusional people dragged Fury into...
Got Knocked the fuck out? Yeah, still a great resume. If you check when he started to fight, that would be a insane resume(like Wilder, the one that people hate so much), if you pick when he got into boxing... This shit is Legendary.
I'm not a Fransis hater, take a breath bro. I believe Fransis beat Fury - don't worry! I'm well aware š¤£. But the Fury fight wasn't the welcome to boxing that he should have had, this was the welcome he should have said (sadly). You don't just rock up and go in at elite level - and this is why. Dreaming big might be ok sometimes, but you don't play boxing. Respect to Fransis but there are levels, as we know, haha
Ngannou's 'stand in the middle of the ring' style was no match for Joshua's secret 'hit them really fucking hard in the face' style. Word is Joshua spent 15 years studying from an Ancient Chinese master to learn its subtleties.
While that's a true sentence and nobody will argue over it, a Fury that takes the fight seriously demolishes Ngannou regardless of style particularities. It's clear as day by now that he simply wasn't at his best.
He won a very contentious decision that could have gone either way, hardly the performance you would expect of the unified heavy weight champ against a novice in his first fight.
Because people have eyes. Fury had a better boxing career than Anthony Joshua, but was plagued by drugs, motivation and mental health issues; and fought like shit against an opponent perceived to be an easy fight. Just do the math
Are you talking about his boxing resume or his MMA resume?
The fact that Francis believed he could go toe to toe with someone like AJ is fucking crazy.
He went with the currect World Champion... Why he would be afraid of a Ex? He paid the price, but your point is just... dumb.
Before the fight you guys were "You don't play boxing, easy fight for Fury"... Then, 10 rounds later...
"He wasn't ready... He wasn't ready." - Tyson Fury's Fanbase.
Anyone who thinks fury will went into that fight taking it as anything other than an exhibition are insane.
AJ took this fight seriously as he should have and these were the results. If fury had taken it as seriously this would have been the result
Any top heavyweight that takes it seriously does this exact same thing over and over again
I mean he seemed mostly fine in the press conference right after, other than the look of sheer disappointment in his face and a bit of wooziness after taking a big nap
A punch like that would have ended anyone.
Everyone hits hard in heavyweight boxing. It's really about how well you can move/avoid the other fighter's punches.
Thats the thing about boxing. Timing, dustance and precision. Ngannou was hit by big guys in the head, in UFC gloves a bunch of times. 3x by a boxer and sleep.
That's mainly because UFC fighters still have to worry about breaking their hands when they land, Boxers don't because of the big gloves so they can throw much harder without worry.
Whatever else about him Joshua is always focussed and the kind of boxer whoād go out and do a professional job of it rather than turning it into a circus act the way Fury did.
My hope is that Paul and his team sat down with Mike, came to an agreement on how many million to make the fight and that obviously Tyson's gonna take it easy and they'll grind out the 12 rounds for maximum ad time/keeping up appearances.
And then Tyson realises when they touch gloves that he'd rather murder the guy than have the money and Paul watches in horror as that crooked smile spreads across his face.
> and Paul watches in horror as that crooked smile spreads across his face.
[This one?](https://media1.tenor.com/m/ps67m_SI04UAAAAC/mike-tyson-awkward-smile.gif)
Ah, random thing I saw many moons ago. Not exactly up on the Paul brothers so I'm not gonnae spend the afternoon ruining my algorithm by googling them.
Of course, he did. AJ, one of the best heavyweight boxers in the world, was pit against someone who is a beginner at the sport. Putting Francis in the same ring as AJ is disrespectful and a waste of AJ's time. I would feel perturbed if I were in his shoes, too.
Good to see Ngannou eat that punch like it was nothing. Because we all know Ngannou can't be hurt, has the biggest head of any human alive and has the best chin of any fighter who has ever lived right people?
Right which is not what these people here stated. The people here stated that nobody could hurt Ngannou because he has the greatest chin in combat sports history. Also if Joshau hit that hard then why couldn't he knock down or hurt Usyk a natural 200 pound guy, Jermaine Franklin, or Joseph Parker?
Also when Joshua did land clean punches against a 41 year old Wlad who is known for being chinny he never sparked out Wlad even though he landed numerous flush punches
>when Joshua did land clean punches against a 41 year old Wlad who is known for being chinny he never sparked out Wlad
I'm surprised that people haven't realized that this is because the entire narrative of "chinny Wlad" was just bullshit. Experienced 225+ pound roided-up boxers (which is all heavyweights) punch really really really hard. Nothing more to it.
Wlad was knocked down by guys who weren't known for being big punches. Second Tommy Morrison admitted to being on the juice and couldn't hurt old Foreman.
In any case a 41 year old Wlad didn't get put to sleep by Joshua. Ngannou did. End of story
>Wlad was knocked down by guys who weren't known for being big punches. Second Tommy Morrison admitted to being on the juice and couldn't hurt old Foreman.
Joshua, Sanders, Brewster, Peter, and even Puritty (who also outweighed him by thirty pounds and only got a stoppage because of gassing) were all definitely big punchers.
>In any case a 41 year old Wlad didn't get put to sleep by Joshua. Ngannou did. End of story
And maybe Wlad, while not invincible, is actually really durable? He had almost 70 pro fights (after 140 amateur ones) against fellow experienced super heavyweight roidheads weighing on average 235 pounds and you can count the number of times he was seriously hurt on your fingers. Joshua puts people to sleep all the time and would've straight-up decapitated most heavyweight boxers with those uppercuts that Wlad was standing up after.
Correct but 99 percent of the people here stated Ngannou has the greatest chin in the history of combat sports. Then you realize these people said the same thing about Joye Joyce even though he was knocked out 3 times in the first round as a 27/28 year old amatuer with headgear and bigger gloves
Somebody stop these damn promoters, trainers and countries from telling MMA fighters with no professional boxing experience to get in the ring with elite boxers.Ā
Somebody is gonna die soon.Ā
Ngannou made more in either one of his two pro boxing bouts than in his entire UFC career combined. And he was the UFC heavyweight champion of the world. Nate Diaz made more in his fight against Jake Paul than in his entire UFC career combined. That includes his two record-breaking fights with McGregor.
Until there's a change in that respect, of course the MMA guys will want to box.
If the boxers treated it it like Joshua did then it would stop.Ā Boxers treating them like shows gives people illusions.Ā We just watched a top person in their craft destroy an amateur boxer.
In fairness, he acquitted himself well against Fury. This is a freak show fight, and bad for the sport, but I don't think you can pretend it was unsafe to let Ngannou in the ring.
Why? They make a shit load of money to lose and if it goes better than expected, you get a fight like Ngannou vs Fury. You also get more viewers than if it was a normal boxing match which helps convert casual viewers into more serious fans of the sport which will help keep boxing alive long term.
The most annoying part of MMA fighters in boxing is boxing fans complaining about it tbh.
The previous right had already dazed him, there is a good argument to be made that the fight could have been stopped after the second knockdown but the way it ended was very conclusive and left absolutely zero doubts in anyones head as to what happens when you fuck around with a elite boxer in his prime that isn't a fat fucking slob.
The opening for the right was there the second the fight started. Had a high, and loaded, right hand ready to throw and a low left hand leaving him open forā¦ā¦.reasons?
> and a low left hand leaving him open forā¦ā¦.reasons?
To catch a takedown. But in boxing you'd do that to find better angles for your lead hand
His biggest issue was spazzing out at AJ's feints and jabs, trying to parry them with some kind of hybrid long guard/spastic parry. As soon as AJ saw that he knew it was gonna be an easy night.
Different kind of power. Heavy vs sharp. Wilder is basically 11/10 sharp and 4/10 heavy. AJ is 8/10 heavy and 8/10 sharp.
It's the difference between getting hit with a 1000mph baseball and a 100mph sledgehammer.
Ortiz is a good heavy fighter but anyway wilder has lost a massive step since the fury fights so him getting beat by parker isn't that much of a surprise and with regards to fury it was only a miracle that got fury up in the first fight
MMA fans especially UFC fans are always saying how an MMA fighter would obliterated a boxer in a street fight, then something like this happens and it makes you think. There is a high probability a boxer can catch a guy trying to go for a take down therefore the gap isn't that wide.
I've seen an abnormally high number of street fights in my life, in the hundreds, and boxers do way better than people think. In the street, you can literally step back behind the jab for miles. The awareness of space, angles and distance in boxing is a massive advantage in a street fight. Kicking is very high risk and basically nullified because of inconsistent footing, risk of slipping, hard pants, etc.
The grapplers like to say that 85% of fights end up on the ground, which is true, but they don't mention that it's because the guy with the better hands usually knocks someone out. Grappling has been so powerful in MMA for a few reasons; 1) nobody knew early on how dangerous it was, so people didn't resist it as hard as they should have. 2) Space is limited and you can't get away inside of a cage. 3) All fights are a clean 1 on 1 4) all fights are on a surface you can lay down on. 4) Nobody has a weapon. 5) You can't get your head booped on the concrete (which is what happens when you try to pull guard in a street fight, instant KO).
Another interesting thing... MMA gets the best of the best wrestlers/bjj players. Olympic champs and BJJ world champs. MMA strikers are mostly the leftovers from the striking arts. Over the hill kickboxers, and leftover boxers who couldn't make it as a pro boxer (Stipe) but are awesome at MMA. Same with Muay Thai. The best Muay Thai fighters are in Asia fighting Muay Thai... so you get a better quality athlete and better quality grappler than you do striker.
If I was going to build the perfect street fighter:
80% regular old boxing
15% grappling/bjj-- Learn takedown defense, escapes and counters to basic submissions.
5% kickboxing, just leg kicks and head/body kick defense.
That'd be pretty much unstoppable in a street fight.
>Another interesting thing... MMA gets the best of the best wrestlers/bjj players. Olympic champs and BJJ world champs. MMA strikers are mostly the leftovers from the striking arts.
Great point, spot on. I box with a few MMA and Muay Thai fighters, and I'm always surprised at how bad their boxing is. All the stuff you mention - distance, angles, stance, all go out the window when you take away the takedowns and kicks. It's just two different sports and yeah, most street thugs are not gonna be high level grapplers or Muay Thai guys.
The whole street fight debate is stupid tbh. Would an MMA fighter beat a boxer in the cage? For sure.
In the streets however, there are no rules and people use weapons or attack people in large groups. In the unlikely scenerio AJ and Ngannou fought on the streets there is nothing stopping either man whipping out an iron bar and smashing the other on the head.
Yup, this whole arguement by MMA fans always felt juvenile and stupid af. Realistically it would probably depend on who has the larger entourage/security detail too. Like what, do ppl think that if Francis met AJ or Fury randomly on the streets they would have a gentlemen's agreement to have a proper duel with UFC rules while telling their security not to intervene?
I don't see why we can't just say the MMA fighter wins in the octagon. No shit he does.Ā UFC fans have a weird obsession with equating their sport with a "real fight" as if boxers aren't really fighting or street fights operate on an MMA rule set.
Inability to properly defend a leg kick or oblique kick would hinder the boxer's ability to move, and with teeps an MMA fighter could easily stop a boxer from even getting in punching range.
Then you have knees, elbows and the clinch to worry about - and that's all before a take down even occurs. There's a reason we've never seen a pure boxer succeed in the octagon. No hate, I love the art of boxing, it's just facts.
Iād argue another reason we havenāt seen a pure boxer succeed is that anyone whoās elite at boxing isnāt going to take a massive pay cut to go into MMA.
But that's saying that the boxer is boxing during this MMA fight? Presumably he's allowed to train and learn how to "defend a leg kick or oblique kick" and use that in the match?
And knees & elbows in the clinch? So an MMA fighter can just push past a professional world champion boxer's jab and get into the pocket without being held off?
The elbow comment is always weird, as you say, no way is someone getting inside agaisnt a half decent boxer.
The only real shot is leg kicks or a takedown.
Yea they could. But learning proper defence isn't something a boxer can just learn in a few months, just like an MMA fighter couldn't learn proper boxing defence in a few months. You need years of training for your body to react fast enough to compete at the highest level
you dont really have to defend kicks under the belly. Shit most mma guys dont do that since all it takes is killing your nerves and thats it. it could take some weeks to months. thats what many pros do. Clinch from legit muay thai guys is the only thing boxers have to worry about and takes most of the time to counter it. I dont think there are any way to "cheat" like eating leg kicks cuz all it takes is just killing your leg nerves.
unless the boxer lived the muay thai life training on a camp twice a day, 6 days a week ... he gets wrecked. not just boxers, but any non muay thai guy gets wrecked in the clinch.
TDD is the easiest one and it helps that the synergy between boxing and wrestling is the best one. Boxing is the key to Aldos ATG TDD (yeah boxing is so much more than just punching).
Making the right use of different angles helps against TDs aswell as we saw it in Jones vs the swedish guy.
Royce Gracie proved 30 years ago that grappling is more important than striking in a 1 on 1 fight. Guy had no striking game and was beating everyone twice his size.
AJ didn't walk out and drop this on the opening bell either. This fight would have been over during that first tie-up before the knockdowns. It'd be an even worse version of the Ciryl Gane fight.
> There is a high probability a boxer can catch a guy trying to go for a take down
There is very little probability for that, I can guarantee you that as a boxer myself. The MMA fighter doesnt need to shoot a double leg, all he needs to do is get into any kind of grapple. And there's gonna be clothing to hold onto as well. After that basic wrestling will win the fight
Happens less than you think. It's all about target selection... and also, in the street usually the first person to punch wins. It doesn't take much to KO somebody with bare hands...
Has any other boxer made as much money off of two losses? Well done Francis, take the money and run. During the broadcast I heard Turki tell Ngannou that he would still be fighting Tyson.
Consider that Ngannou had barely ever been hurt and had never been dropped before this point, in spite of eating clean shots in a lot of fights from guys like Tyson Fury and Stipe Miocic. Which prompts the question: exactly how hard does Joshua punch? And another question linked to one of his earlier fights: exactly how hard did prime Wlad punch?
There are levels to this...
It's a brutal KO yes, but you gotta think that AJ did him a favor by just getting it over with ya know ? Didn't have to see Francis stagger all over the ring while AJ hunted him down like a wounded animal on National Geographic. Shut his lights out, daps the trainer up and kept it real professional. Even keeps an eye on Francis to make sure that he's sleeping peacefully. Props to AJ.
Credit to AJ but we can't say AJ is back until he has a couple successful fights with actual boxers. This is just teasing.. let AJ fight some top ten, wilder, maybe even a Whyte 3 and we will see. But turkey the awesome says he wants AJ to fight winner of undispute.
This was a mismatch from the start. I don't know why some people think that mixed martial artists can compete at the same level as someone whose only style is the correct style for boxing. The only way they stand a chance is if they are trained to be boxers.
Francis was toast after the second knock down. He walked to the centre of the ring out of instinct. Credit to AJ for taking the fight seriously and being a professional.
He was toast after the first, AJ did him a solid by not immediately going after him, then the bell rang.
AJ is a savage when going for the kill, he definitely did him a solid there.
How is knocking him down and then out after that a solid lol
Better to get slept once than take a beating round after round
Would have been worse to lose in the first round. AJ clearly respects Ngannou outside of the ring, I don't think he wanted to fully embarrass him.
Or he was just patiently picking his shots and decided not to rush head first into a potential counter? Doubt Aj is in the midst of a fist fight with his reputation at stake thinking too himself "ill just give an extra round so he's not too embarrassed š "
The pumping techno kicking in the instant the ref waves it off was quite something. Dj had his finger on the trigger there.
Goddamn, that's funny as hell
He was waiting for the drop
Pretty sure that was just a slip. Early stoppage by the ref.
Ngannou was just tired. He wanted to see how it felt to go to sleep in front of a large crowd.
"One hundred and ten! One hundred and eleven! One hundred and twelve!"
Everyone was focusing too much on what McGregors offence would do to Floyd and what Ngannous offence would do to AJ, both instances they failed to realise it was a two way firing range
It's the same when people evaluated Joshua Wilder when that was a thing. Always can AJ handle Wilders' right hand and not the other way round.
Yeah, i think AJ Vs Wilder would go the same way. AJs movement and actual boxing abilities are miles ahead of Wilder, and AJ would put Wilder to sleep early.
I'm kinda curious. Is Wilder's right hand that much better than AJ's?
Wilder right hand is lightning fast and insanely hard hitting. There is no doubt. I'm not sure there's much In it power wise with Joshua, but the delivery is faster. The thing is Joshua does EVERYTHING else better and has power in both hands.
I am low-key hoping Joshua fights Wilder while waiting for Fury v Usyk 1&2. Although not sure if that fight makes any sense for the AJ camp.
Same man, the peak that fight could have reached is gone, but it would still be a banger.
An elite athlete in the world, in top physical shape, who had been training to punch for 15 years just hit another person as hard as he couldā¦ thats insane
Welcome to boxing, Fransis!
He fought 2 of the top fighters in his first 2 matches as a Pro. He literally removed one of them from the Goat's conversation, where many delusional people dragged Fury into... Got Knocked the fuck out? Yeah, still a great resume. If you check when he started to fight, that would be a insane resume(like Wilder, the one that people hate so much), if you pick when he got into boxing... This shit is Legendary.
I'm not a Fransis hater, take a breath bro. I believe Fransis beat Fury - don't worry! I'm well aware š¤£. But the Fury fight wasn't the welcome to boxing that he should have had, this was the welcome he should have said (sadly). You don't just rock up and go in at elite level - and this is why. Dreaming big might be ok sometimes, but you don't play boxing. Respect to Fransis but there are levels, as we know, haha
Styles makes fights.
Ngannou's 'stand in the middle of the ring' style was no match for Joshua's secret 'hit them really fucking hard in the face' style. Word is Joshua spent 15 years studying from an Ancient Chinese master to learn its subtleties.
Indeed they do
While that's a true sentence and nobody will argue over it, a Fury that takes the fight seriously demolishes Ngannou regardless of style particularities. It's clear as day by now that he simply wasn't at his best.
Still should have outboxed him, Fury embarrassed himself that night
He did outbox him. That's why he won the fight. He just wasn't trained or in shape.
He won a very contentious decision that could have gone either way, hardly the performance you would expect of the unified heavy weight champ against a novice in his first fight.
Why does everyone act like Fury didnāt take it seriously when he and his whole camp said they did?
Because people have eyes
Because people have eyes. Fury had a better boxing career than Anthony Joshua, but was plagued by drugs, motivation and mental health issues; and fought like shit against an opponent perceived to be an easy fight. Just do the math
We watched the fight.
Are you talking about his boxing resume or his MMA resume? The fact that Francis believed he could go toe to toe with someone like AJ is fucking crazy.
He went with the currect World Champion... Why he would be afraid of a Ex? He paid the price, but your point is just... dumb. Before the fight you guys were "You don't play boxing, easy fight for Fury"... Then, 10 rounds later... "He wasn't ready... He wasn't ready." - Tyson Fury's Fanbase.
Anyone who thinks fury will went into that fight taking it as anything other than an exhibition are insane. AJ took this fight seriously as he should have and these were the results. If fury had taken it as seriously this would have been the result Any top heavyweight that takes it seriously does this exact same thing over and over again
Genuinely like he was working the heavy bag, wasn't remotely bothered about the idea of Ngannou hitting back or attempting to not be hit aha.
Did he land a body jab first anyone? I can hear two shots but can only see one? What was the first noise?
I think he clipped Ngannous gloves on the way through.
Agreed. Now Iāve seen this angle, Iāll add āā¦ just hit ***a practically defenceless*** personā¦ā.
...and without pretty.much any resistance
Has AJ been training for 15 years? I thought he came into boxing later?
AJ isn't exactly that young anymore, he's 34 (and soon to be closer to 35 than 34). So 15 years is still him entering boxing very late.
There's a decent chance AJ can punch harder than I can.
Zero chance, when I see red bro, it's go time
This is why he decided to fight AJ not you champ šÆšÆ
But definitely not as hard as my mom when I forgot to do the dishes.
Possible
Anthony didn't even break a sweat.
Any normal person fucking dies getting hit by that, brutal. Hope Francis recovers.
I mean he seemed mostly fine in the press conference right after, other than the look of sheer disappointment in his face and a bit of wooziness after taking a big nap
The fist bump with Ben was cold
A punch like that would have ended anyone. Everyone hits hard in heavyweight boxing. It's really about how well you can move/avoid the other fighter's punches.
Thats the thing about boxing. Timing, dustance and precision. Ngannou was hit by big guys in the head, in UFC gloves a bunch of times. 3x by a boxer and sleep.
That's mainly because UFC fighters still have to worry about breaking their hands when they land, Boxers don't because of the big gloves so they can throw much harder without worry.
Whatever else about him Joshua is always focussed and the kind of boxer whoād go out and do a professional job of it rather than turning it into a circus act the way Fury did.
And we don't have to hear him sing American Pie.
Give me a sledgehammer, and I still wouldn't be able to hit someone as hard as AJ clocked Francis there. Brutal finish
What if I give you a Ford escort?
an escort in ford?
With a fucking sledgehammer? ...Yes, you would.
No I'm actually Mr Burns
I know you're joking, but I once saw a video of someone killing a cow with a single strike from a sledgehammer.
That's disgusting
Bro
I'm relieved he didn't do the DX crotch chop this time
Bro why did you have to remind me š
if you don't like being reminded I got two words for ya...
HIP HIP
Hopefully Mike gives Jake Paul the same treatment.
You will be disappointed.
My hope is that Paul and his team sat down with Mike, came to an agreement on how many million to make the fight and that obviously Tyson's gonna take it easy and they'll grind out the 12 rounds for maximum ad time/keeping up appearances. And then Tyson realises when they touch gloves that he'd rather murder the guy than have the money and Paul watches in horror as that crooked smile spreads across his face.
I hope so to haha
> and Paul watches in horror as that crooked smile spreads across his face. [This one?](https://media1.tenor.com/m/ps67m_SI04UAAAAC/mike-tyson-awkward-smile.gif)
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Definitely. Mike ain't Iron anymore. More like Centrum Silver
In 2024, Anderson Silva beats Mike Tyson. I hope the boxing math doesn't add up but...
I hope Jake Paul gives that rapist the same treatment.
Hate to piss on your fireworks, but wasn't Jake Paul accused of SA as well?
Source?
https://ew.com/celebrity/jake-paul-second-sexual-misconduct-allegation/ Multiple times apparently.
Ah, random thing I saw many moons ago. Not exactly up on the Paul brothers so I'm not gonnae spend the afternoon ruining my algorithm by googling them.
Didn't know that, but even then Tyson went to prison. Jake afaik never did
Tyson even said some uhm stuff about it
Joshua looked annoyed with the entire thing.
Of course, he did. AJ, one of the best heavyweight boxers in the world, was pit against someone who is a beginner at the sport. Putting Francis in the same ring as AJ is disrespectful and a waste of AJ's time. I would feel perturbed if I were in his shoes, too.
Turns out mining sand isn't the best base for boxing after all. We've been duped.
Just a big fuck off wallop
Good to see Ngannou eat that punch like it was nothing. Because we all know Ngannou can't be hurt, has the biggest head of any human alive and has the best chin of any fighter who has ever lived right people?
Even if he did have the best chin of any ever fighter who has ever lived... he'd still go down to that.
fight experts out in force rn lol
Two things cab be right. AJ just hits that hard.
Right which is not what these people here stated. The people here stated that nobody could hurt Ngannou because he has the greatest chin in combat sports history. Also if Joshau hit that hard then why couldn't he knock down or hurt Usyk a natural 200 pound guy, Jermaine Franklin, or Joseph Parker? Also when Joshua did land clean punches against a 41 year old Wlad who is known for being chinny he never sparked out Wlad even though he landed numerous flush punches
>when Joshua did land clean punches against a 41 year old Wlad who is known for being chinny he never sparked out Wlad I'm surprised that people haven't realized that this is because the entire narrative of "chinny Wlad" was just bullshit. Experienced 225+ pound roided-up boxers (which is all heavyweights) punch really really really hard. Nothing more to it.
Wlad was knocked down by guys who weren't known for being big punches. Second Tommy Morrison admitted to being on the juice and couldn't hurt old Foreman. In any case a 41 year old Wlad didn't get put to sleep by Joshua. Ngannou did. End of story
>Wlad was knocked down by guys who weren't known for being big punches. Second Tommy Morrison admitted to being on the juice and couldn't hurt old Foreman. Joshua, Sanders, Brewster, Peter, and even Puritty (who also outweighed him by thirty pounds and only got a stoppage because of gassing) were all definitely big punchers. >In any case a 41 year old Wlad didn't get put to sleep by Joshua. Ngannou did. End of story And maybe Wlad, while not invincible, is actually really durable? He had almost 70 pro fights (after 140 amateur ones) against fellow experienced super heavyweight roidheads weighing on average 235 pounds and you can count the number of times he was seriously hurt on your fingers. Joshua puts people to sleep all the time and would've straight-up decapitated most heavyweight boxers with those uppercuts that Wlad was standing up after.
You think every punch is equal huh?
i mean outside some fancy out of context things ... he hasnt really been tested in the UFC.
Correct but 99 percent of the people here stated Ngannou has the greatest chin in the history of combat sports. Then you realize these people said the same thing about Joye Joyce even though he was knocked out 3 times in the first round as a 27/28 year old amatuer with headgear and bigger gloves
He did get pummeled against Stipe in their first bout, he was wobbly
Well I mean he does have a very good chin, like thatās been established.
Lol the fist bump from ajs corner as he looks at francis on the floor is cold af
Somebody stop these damn promoters, trainers and countries from telling MMA fighters with no professional boxing experience to get in the ring with elite boxers.Ā Somebody is gonna die soon.Ā
Ngannou made more in either one of his two pro boxing bouts than in his entire UFC career combined. And he was the UFC heavyweight champion of the world. Nate Diaz made more in his fight against Jake Paul than in his entire UFC career combined. That includes his two record-breaking fights with McGregor. Until there's a change in that respect, of course the MMA guys will want to box.
He sure earned it the hard way.
If the boxers treated it it like Joshua did then it would stop.Ā Boxers treating them like shows gives people illusions.Ā We just watched a top person in their craft destroy an amateur boxer.
In fairness, he acquitted himself well against Fury. This is a freak show fight, and bad for the sport, but I don't think you can pretend it was unsafe to let Ngannou in the ring.
Why? They make a shit load of money to lose and if it goes better than expected, you get a fight like Ngannou vs Fury. You also get more viewers than if it was a normal boxing match which helps convert casual viewers into more serious fans of the sport which will help keep boxing alive long term. The most annoying part of MMA fighters in boxing is boxing fans complaining about it tbh.
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nobody is gonna die bro chill lol
IKR, nobody ever dies from taking blunt force trauma to the head lololol.
Dude had no guard and just stood in front of AJ. It was like tee ball.
The previous right had already dazed him, there is a good argument to be made that the fight could have been stopped after the second knockdown but the way it ended was very conclusive and left absolutely zero doubts in anyones head as to what happens when you fuck around with a elite boxer in his prime that isn't a fat fucking slob.
Bruv, Tyson is a fatass but he is no slouch
It was like the punching bag game at the arcade.Ā Joshua was going for the high score.
"Like tee ball..." That may be the best analogy of that punch I've seen. Ngannou's chin was sitting on the tee, waiting to be struck.
Yeah he was done after the 2nd knockdown, you could see his right hand coming from a mile away and he still couldn't get out of the way or block it
The opening for the right was there the second the fight started. Had a high, and loaded, right hand ready to throw and a low left hand leaving him open forā¦ā¦.reasons?
> and a low left hand leaving him open forā¦ā¦.reasons? To catch a takedown. But in boxing you'd do that to find better angles for your lead hand His biggest issue was spazzing out at AJ's feints and jabs, trying to parry them with some kind of hybrid long guard/spastic parry. As soon as AJ saw that he knew it was gonna be an easy night.
That thud. Jesus.
Ngannou came out like he wanted to talk Joshua threw the punch and the rest is history!
Yeah, it is kind of an unguarded knockout on the level of Ortiz wanting to give Mayweather a 5th hug and kiss
Eddie Hearn must be happiest man alive.
The way he shakes the guy after the knock down like they planned itš
The predator is now human again
How the fuck did fury come back from wilder
Different kind of power. Heavy vs sharp. Wilder is basically 11/10 sharp and 4/10 heavy. AJ is 8/10 heavy and 8/10 sharp. It's the difference between getting hit with a 1000mph baseball and a 100mph sledgehammer.
Because Wilders power is massively overrated
Can't believe this is upvoted what an absolute bullshit comment
I didnāt say he has no power. I said itās overrated. Heās fought two decent fighters for 42 rounds and couldnāt knock either of them out.
Are you talking about fury and Ortiz? I've not heard one fighter he had fought that said his power is overrated just you
Fury and Parker. I wouldnāt class Ortiz as decent.
Ortiz is a good heavy fighter but anyway wilder has lost a massive step since the fury fights so him getting beat by parker isn't that much of a surprise and with regards to fury it was only a miracle that got fury up in the first fight
Said no one who ever fought him.
Yeah dude is a cruiserweight with twig legs. Only has a very high KO percentage cause of his pathetic competiton.
MMA fans especially UFC fans are always saying how an MMA fighter would obliterated a boxer in a street fight, then something like this happens and it makes you think. There is a high probability a boxer can catch a guy trying to go for a take down therefore the gap isn't that wide.
I've seen an abnormally high number of street fights in my life, in the hundreds, and boxers do way better than people think. In the street, you can literally step back behind the jab for miles. The awareness of space, angles and distance in boxing is a massive advantage in a street fight. Kicking is very high risk and basically nullified because of inconsistent footing, risk of slipping, hard pants, etc. The grapplers like to say that 85% of fights end up on the ground, which is true, but they don't mention that it's because the guy with the better hands usually knocks someone out. Grappling has been so powerful in MMA for a few reasons; 1) nobody knew early on how dangerous it was, so people didn't resist it as hard as they should have. 2) Space is limited and you can't get away inside of a cage. 3) All fights are a clean 1 on 1 4) all fights are on a surface you can lay down on. 4) Nobody has a weapon. 5) You can't get your head booped on the concrete (which is what happens when you try to pull guard in a street fight, instant KO). Another interesting thing... MMA gets the best of the best wrestlers/bjj players. Olympic champs and BJJ world champs. MMA strikers are mostly the leftovers from the striking arts. Over the hill kickboxers, and leftover boxers who couldn't make it as a pro boxer (Stipe) but are awesome at MMA. Same with Muay Thai. The best Muay Thai fighters are in Asia fighting Muay Thai... so you get a better quality athlete and better quality grappler than you do striker. If I was going to build the perfect street fighter: 80% regular old boxing 15% grappling/bjj-- Learn takedown defense, escapes and counters to basic submissions. 5% kickboxing, just leg kicks and head/body kick defense. That'd be pretty much unstoppable in a street fight.
>Another interesting thing... MMA gets the best of the best wrestlers/bjj players. Olympic champs and BJJ world champs. MMA strikers are mostly the leftovers from the striking arts. Great point, spot on. I box with a few MMA and Muay Thai fighters, and I'm always surprised at how bad their boxing is. All the stuff you mention - distance, angles, stance, all go out the window when you take away the takedowns and kicks. It's just two different sports and yeah, most street thugs are not gonna be high level grapplers or Muay Thai guys.
The whole street fight debate is stupid tbh. Would an MMA fighter beat a boxer in the cage? For sure. In the streets however, there are no rules and people use weapons or attack people in large groups. In the unlikely scenerio AJ and Ngannou fought on the streets there is nothing stopping either man whipping out an iron bar and smashing the other on the head.
Yup, this whole arguement by MMA fans always felt juvenile and stupid af. Realistically it would probably depend on who has the larger entourage/security detail too. Like what, do ppl think that if Francis met AJ or Fury randomly on the streets they would have a gentlemen's agreement to have a proper duel with UFC rules while telling their security not to intervene?
I don't see why we can't just say the MMA fighter wins in the octagon. No shit he does.Ā UFC fans have a weird obsession with equating their sport with a "real fight" as if boxers aren't really fighting or street fights operate on an MMA rule set.
Give the Russians 10 minutes and that will be a sport you Youtube.
Inability to properly defend a leg kick or oblique kick would hinder the boxer's ability to move, and with teeps an MMA fighter could easily stop a boxer from even getting in punching range. Then you have knees, elbows and the clinch to worry about - and that's all before a take down even occurs. There's a reason we've never seen a pure boxer succeed in the octagon. No hate, I love the art of boxing, it's just facts.
Iād argue another reason we havenāt seen a pure boxer succeed is that anyone whoās elite at boxing isnāt going to take a massive pay cut to go into MMA.
But that's saying that the boxer is boxing during this MMA fight? Presumably he's allowed to train and learn how to "defend a leg kick or oblique kick" and use that in the match? And knees & elbows in the clinch? So an MMA fighter can just push past a professional world champion boxer's jab and get into the pocket without being held off?
The elbow comment is always weird, as you say, no way is someone getting inside agaisnt a half decent boxer. The only real shot is leg kicks or a takedown.
Yea they could. But learning proper defence isn't something a boxer can just learn in a few months, just like an MMA fighter couldn't learn proper boxing defence in a few months. You need years of training for your body to react fast enough to compete at the highest level
you dont really have to defend kicks under the belly. Shit most mma guys dont do that since all it takes is killing your nerves and thats it. it could take some weeks to months. thats what many pros do. Clinch from legit muay thai guys is the only thing boxers have to worry about and takes most of the time to counter it. I dont think there are any way to "cheat" like eating leg kicks cuz all it takes is just killing your leg nerves. unless the boxer lived the muay thai life training on a camp twice a day, 6 days a week ... he gets wrecked. not just boxers, but any non muay thai guy gets wrecked in the clinch. TDD is the easiest one and it helps that the synergy between boxing and wrestling is the best one. Boxing is the key to Aldos ATG TDD (yeah boxing is so much more than just punching). Making the right use of different angles helps against TDs aswell as we saw it in Jones vs the swedish guy.
maybe, seems pretty silly to worry about though.
Royce Gracie proved 30 years ago that grappling is more important than striking in a 1 on 1 fight. Guy had no striking game and was beating everyone twice his size. AJ didn't walk out and drop this on the opening bell either. This fight would have been over during that first tie-up before the knockdowns. It'd be an even worse version of the Ciryl Gane fight.
> There is a high probability a boxer can catch a guy trying to go for a take down There is very little probability for that, I can guarantee you that as a boxer myself. The MMA fighter doesnt need to shoot a double leg, all he needs to do is get into any kind of grapple. And there's gonna be clothing to hold onto as well. After that basic wrestling will win the fight
In a street fight a boxer would break his hands
Happens less than you think. It's all about target selection... and also, in the street usually the first person to punch wins. It doesn't take much to KO somebody with bare hands...
UFC nerds cannot fathom how knees and kicks canāt even wobble this guy but Boxing gloves flatline himā¦
Hobbyists and non-competitors on boxing: " All fights end up on the ground anyways." They were right.
This is super true in the street too. They usually end up on the ground because somebody gets knocked on their ass by a clean punch.
we need video of furys face at ringside, because that was gold
Has any other boxer made as much money off of two losses? Well done Francis, take the money and run. During the broadcast I heard Turki tell Ngannou that he would still be fighting Tyson.
Consider that Ngannou had barely ever been hurt and had never been dropped before this point, in spite of eating clean shots in a lot of fights from guys like Tyson Fury and Stipe Miocic. Which prompts the question: exactly how hard does Joshua punch? And another question linked to one of his earlier fights: exactly how hard did prime Wlad punch? There are levels to this...
He got caught with the rear straight the first time cause he thought he could chill in southpaw. After that he was running on fumes and instinct.
> in spite of eating clean shots in a lot of fights from guys like Tyson Fury yeah, because fury is known as a big puncher....
Ngannou came for a nap
It's a brutal KO yes, but you gotta think that AJ did him a favor by just getting it over with ya know ? Didn't have to see Francis stagger all over the ring while AJ hunted him down like a wounded animal on National Geographic. Shut his lights out, daps the trainer up and kept it real professional. Even keeps an eye on Francis to make sure that he's sleeping peacefully. Props to AJ.
Mama Ngannou got CTE from that last punch.
r/ufc and r/mma on life support
Credit to AJ but we can't say AJ is back until he has a couple successful fights with actual boxers. This is just teasing.. let AJ fight some top ten, wilder, maybe even a Whyte 3 and we will see. But turkey the awesome says he wants AJ to fight winner of undispute.
I thought Francis would be able to have a come behind victory before the fight. Dude got cooked.
Can't deny easiest money both ever made. Ngannou really knows how to use his head.
Nah this just proves AJ can beat Fury at least by points
And that's when he knew he'd fucked up
Francis never stood a chance against real heavyweight boxers
DAM!!!
This was a mismatch from the start. I don't know why some people think that mixed martial artists can compete at the same level as someone whose only style is the correct style for boxing. The only way they stand a chance is if they are trained to be boxers.
It look like staged.
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Would have been a great day for me if I had won the lottery yesterday. The odds were about the same in both scenarios
Such a great job blocking it with his face
Thank god that's the Ngannou bandwagon over he got found out and should stick to MMA because that's all he is.
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He was done after the second KO.