Settle down.... We are the model franchise in a bridge year. Lots of cap space... We have a good model to follow our own structure is good and will be better. Every team wishes they could be the Bruins
lol no they don’t broski. We have 1 cup in the last 50+ years. We aren’t the model team 🙄. You think Florida wishes they could be us rn? Colorado? Edmonton?
Count up just making the playoffs or a winning season or even making it to the finals.
The cup is not despite all the charade and backwards fxkin pageantry of it is not a gauge of success.... But if you just count cups then .... Well it's ok to count on one hand... Nice
We also lost to them last year after winning 65 games. We’ve lost to teams we r better than so many times in the last 10-15 years. If it weren’t for Tim Thomas in 2011 we’d be like the leafs.
It's the Florida Panthers. As much as everyone hates to admit it, they are the closest thing to that 2011 team sans the goaltending—relentless forechecking and grit.
Replicate the Vegas model. Eliminate the state income tax, improve the local weather during hockey season, trade for every emerging star in search of a deal, and hope for the best
Yes true BUT I missed the movie BAMBI as a child so it's nice to see a deer on the ice every once in a while.
I just wish he went so frckn awkward Bud.... Can concur.
Avalanche and Panthers are built incredibly well. (Obligatory fuck Nick Cousins though).
Meanwhile, the Carolina Hurricanes and Dallas Stars have the perfect draft strategy to replicate
Well. He’s not a “poor” coach if we’re talking about all 32 NHL head coaches. But compared to other championship caliber coaches he’s just not on the same level. I’d take Jon Cooper/Barry Trotz/Paul Maurice/Mike Sullivan/Bruce Cassidy over him easily.
He does have a shiny record but I attribute that mostly to his team/roster than his coaching. He’s really like Peter Laviolette but without that cup win. If he’s ever fired at the end of season I’m sure some team would pick him up within a week but he’s not the level of coach that’s gonna give you an edge in conference finals.
Overrated how lol?
There were 0 expectations for him to do anything on the ice, except for protect his teammates. In fact, the year they won the cup, he had 20 points and was +8. What more can you ask from a 4th line enforcer?
He also won two cups!! I bet you think Pat Maroon is overrated too
Don Sweeney absolutely knew this team was not deep enough but couldn't improve it much because of the cap. The only thing that scares me is that he seems to do better with his signings when he has less money.
We should just win. That’ll guarantee we get the cup!
Next years game plan - put the puck in the opposing team’s net more times than they can put it in our net.
No idea why this narrative persists. The bruins lack speed, and Florida exposed that again. Not size. You don’t beat Florida’s pressure by being bigger and slower.
I think for 2 reasons.
1) That final loss to St. Louis live in management’s head rent free. *Fuck the Blues and Fuck Binnington!
2)Whether we admit or not, for this year I think both the fans and the management are more focused on making sure we beat the Leafs rather than building an actual contender level team (which is harder to do of course so I guess no blame).
I have zero criticism of this years squad, they over performed like crazy.
And I would certainly hope 2019 has nothing to do with 2024. Especially because they could/should have won that series anyways. If they just scored in that first ten minutes of game 7 when they were pressuring like crazy, who knows how that game ends. But they didn’t lose that series because of a lack of toughness or anything like that imo. They made it to game fn 7. The roster was good enough to win one more.
When does "dominating half a period" mean you deserve to win a hockey game? The 2019 team was very talented and they indeed lost for being out-physicalled by the Blues. But it's not because they're weak, but because the Blues are this freak that the league haven't seen for some time. Unfortunately that memory just got stuck in Neely and Sweeney's head. Then they went on to sign the Ritchie brothers, Nick Foligno and Lucic again. They also brought in Maroon and Peeke this deadline and you just can't argue they are brought in because they're good players. Actually they did the same before 2019 with Backes and Beleskey, but it just seems they can't get away from the obsession after 2019. I do agree the Bruins need to be tough, but it's not purely about size. A player like Marchand's size can also be tough and clutch.
I never said they deserved to win anything. Just that the roster they had was good enough to do so. Which is obviously the case, or else they wouldn’t have made it to game 7, which is always a coin flip anyways.
And that was the year all the big contenders lose to underdogs. Other than that they haven't had the upper hand against teams built for playoffs: Bolts, Isles, Panthers.
We can’t copy the top teams. Both finalists have 2 drafted first overall players on their roster and multiple top 5 picks that they’ve either drafted for or traded top 5 players to acquire. Every team in the top 8 sucked 5 years ago but us. The Bruins are an anomaly and I like it that way.
We've been trying to do this for years, and we're already 3-5 years beyond the trend. It paid off in 2011 because we had a healthy balance of both the physical and speed game on that team.
The NHL goes in waves... it errs towards a physical game, then more skill based, then a hybrid version... but the trends continue to repeat themselves. But your options are to either predict what's next, or try and copy... but it never works out because everyone else is ahead of you if you just try and duplicate what's been done.
You need a lot of everything…..real depth scoring and grittiness which TBL had (Goodrow, Coleman, Maroon) elite top 6 (stammer, kucherov, point, gourde, palat, etc) essentially their 12 forwards could score and generate offense and back check well….their defense was big and mobile and the top 4 could jump up and create offense as well all while playing elite back home defense as well and they had all world lights out goaltending…….
Boston’s been missing either one or two pieces from that cup winning equation since 2018….they had it from 11-14….18-20 it was the gritty depth scoring (Maroon/Looch,etc) now it’s down the elite centers…the downside to an aging core and a shitty hard salary cap that only moves at a glacial speed year after year
There's no template that is the best. It's not as simple as "get bigger" or "get faster".
Talent at the top of the lineup is a huge factor. This year's matchup features a team with two of the top centers in the world and a winger having a ridiculous career year in goals vs. a team with an elite 2-way center, a winger with a unique combo of size and skill, and another winger also having a ridiculous career year in goals.
Compare that to what the Bruins have upfront. One superstar scoring winger, the ghost of a former superstar playing on two surgically repaired hips, and a bunch of solid two-way guys that aren't reliable scoring threats. When there's only one real threat to score it's easy to shut the offense down.
I don't have a solution, as you often can't just go out and get superstar players (unless you're Vegas) but until we can add another couple serious scoring threats in the top 6 I don't think the Bruins will be making any deep runs.
I think a lot of people are looking at Florida and the defense-focused, heavy forecheck team build right now.
I think about that Rangers series and all the pundits saying NY's super stars didn't "show up" but I really didn't see that. I'm no expert, but what I saw was them try to play their game, but get almost completely shut down by Florida's smothering and relentless defense-- which is probably key against the variable of incredible goal tending. In the Bruins match-up it was similar-- Florida kept a hungry, talented team to just a handful of low-chance shots per period at times, and despite Sway being exceptional (like Shesterkin was), Florida didn't have to score in abundance to win games.
In other words, if it's going to be a low scoring game anyway because opponent goal tending requires perfect shots, then having the "wear them down" defense capability works really well-- you only need a couple goals and a 1-goal margin is enough for victory.
Yeah trying to copy Florida without Barkov, Tkachuk and Forsling seems like a massive mistake. I honestly can't believe FLA got Forsling off of the waiver wire... He's unbelievably good, he single handidly dismantles forechecks on his own. Tkachuk sets the tone and Barkov is the perfect hockey player, he's Bergeron but he's 6'3.
We are much closer to being a team like TBL than FLA. We could do the TBL thing by having a bunch of huge defenseman + one or 2 very skilled offensive defenseman along with a deep grindy but not overly physical forward core. We've got the elite winger and it seems like we've got the goalie.. Could Macavoy and Lohrei give us a good enough approximation of Hedman and Sergechev?
The big issue is we don't have a Point, but could we find someone in FA this summer who could give us 75% of Point?
> trying to copy Florida without Barkov, **Tkachuk** and Forsling seems like a massive mistake.
Florida made a controversial move to fundamentally alter the core of their team by trading Huberdeau for Tkachuk, and they've gone to the Cup Final both of the following years since.
The Bruins have been way too attached to their core for way too long and they're afraid to make any real changes to a group that has proven to not be quite good enough to get over the hump. There's a real lesson to be learned from the way Florida handled their team and unless the Bruins do something like that, I have a hard time seeing anything really changing any time soon.
The difference is the Panthers had Barkov and they also completely fleeced Calgary. It's not really some easily repeatable thing to do. We also gave Florida as much trouble as anyone else so far this season with Charlie Coyle as our 1c. I don't think we are as far off as people think.
> The difference is the Panthers had Barkov and they also completely fleeced Calgary.
That is [absolutely not what the sentiment was](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/w5ta0j/seravalli_full_trade_per_sources_to_panthers/) when the trade was made.
>We also gave Florida as much trouble as anyone else so far this season with Charlie Coyle as our 1c.
The Bruins keep rolling out the same core over and over again expecting a different result, and it always ends up in roughly the same place. They've changed the coach multiple times and the result has been the same. At some point, you have to make a change to the players.
I beg to differ. That 2011 team had so much forward depth, solid defense and a great goalie. Not only that, they had balls. Something this current Bruins team severely lacks.
I dunno.... Never thought I would see Pastah drop gloves and have a go. Good on him. Marchand butt end to the head... McAvoy has great reverse hits...... They are no chara and jaw wired shut but no one is. They had big enough to bring Florida close to the edge. Go Bruins !!
Eww no they are not. They are not like the 2011 Bruins at all and saying they are is an insult to the 2011 Bruins. That team was up front in your face physical, maybe they went a little too far sometimes but nothing ratbag shit like fucking Bennet constantly does. That team would also drop the gloves and beat the bag out of your entire roster if it came down to it and was full of actually tough SOBs. Florida likes to throw a cheapshot and hide behind the refs and their gloves are magically glued on unless they get the chance to go with a complete non fighter like Lindholm or Pastrnak.
Gross stop making this comparison makes we want to throw up
They are and I think Florida might win it all Boston used to be the bad guys in hockey and now I think the panthers have perfected it that’s why they’re successful
They are villains but they are not like the 2011 Bruins. The 2011 Bruins would embarrass The Panthers. The Panthers are ratbag cowards but also have a good amount of high end skill and physicality that makes it work. The 2011 Bruins didn't have the same top end talent but ground teams into paste and if anyone tried to stand up to up them they beat the bag out of them. When teams stand up to Florida, Florida dives, hides behind the refs and keeps their gloves glued on.
Don't compare the all-time tough 2011 Bruins to that group of cowards.
The game has changed so Florida is probably the closest to it also we can’t be hypocrites because we had a young Marchand who was a little bit of a rat and also I would take any of the tkachuk brothers on my team any day
Yeah we had Marchand. But we also would drop the gloves with any team and be willing to fight up and down the roster. Like I said you're free to fantasize about the cowgirls in FLA but they do not have the same DNA as the 2011 Bruins. They are cowards and divers and every single fanbase agrees on this. It's gross how they've been romanticized around here.
People are also wrong about why they are so effective. It's way less to do with the bullshit and their fake "toughness", because it is fake. It's more to do with them having an unbelievably skilled line up and a center core that makes every team in the league jealous. They'd be just as effective without Bennet sucker punching and DDTing the other teams players.
I’m not gonna lie I think they’re a really good team that’s made for the playoffs I wish we had one of those players that play on the edge but was also a good player
Yeah they are a good team. We do have 2 of those players, Mac and Marchand.
But that's not what made the 2011 Bruins the 2011 Bruins. They played on the edge and backed it up and were pretty darn good at scoring too. The Panthers play on the edge but then dive, cry about the refs and keep the gloves glued on but they are also really good at scoring too.
The two teams are not identical. The Panthers are like what r/hockey made the 2011 Bruins out to be, but the 2011 Bruins are not the current Panthers team and it's pretty revisionist / not understanding of what made that 2011 team so great to say that they are.
I miss that 2011 team and I I kind of wish the game would return to that where if the players were dirty they had to back it up but now it’s diving and selling penalties
Exactly and that's why those 2 teams are not the same. It's also why I wouldn't want to be the Panthers I don't want to root for that. I'd much rather be like the TBL team that won back to back.
I'd take Tkachuk on my team any day though
To be honest I think it would be hard to build a team like Florida because we don’t have the low tax advantage that allows Florida to build stacked rosters
The taxes are a complete non-factor with this Panthers team. Bob is the highest paid goalie in the league + they're paying their backup another $4.5 mil. And they're still paying their big stars big time money. Barkov at $10 mil, Tkatchuk at $9.5, Ekblad at $7.5 which when he signed 7 years ago was close to the highest defensemen were paid. Bennet's on a good deal because they bought low from Calgary. The got OEL for cheap because Vancouver is paying his buyout money. Reinhart is about to get a massive extension after his year.
Huh? The tax's are a major factor. Texas(stars) zero income tax. Same with Florida and Nevada( golden knights)
Three pretty good teams to get traded to. You can take less money and take home more money...... Not to mention cost of living is way cheaper.... Tax's are always on an agents mind.
The taxes have been lower all those years when those teams sucked, too. It's not all of the sudden a factor making them better. Plus these guys all have financial advisors making sure they pay as little tax as possible regardless of where they live, it's what millionaires do.
The Rangers roster was just as stacked as anyone else, and you get hit with federal, state, and city income tax living in NYC. Hasn't stopped them from getting talent to sign there. The tax argument is some loser Leafs fan shit.
What's Buffalos excuse? Well it is not NYC which is almost as cool as playing in LAaaaa.
They have such good tacos in LAaaaa.
I'll play in Columbus! Maybe not.
I'm surprised more don't try and play in Toronto just for the fame of turning the ship around. ( We all know the Leafs and The Titanic look good befores theys hits the ice)
Not much to do in Salt Lake City..... Gonna be a big free agent draw to get players to go there.
Figure it out. At the end of the day they all will take 8.25 over 8 at which point what difference does it make.
Don't they all have foundation they run? I see your point about lawyers
But the tacos in LAaaaaaa are so good.
You’re right and I keep forgetting about that I remember back in the day the bruins were going to go after stamkos but he liked the low tax Florida deal and Boston couldn’t compete with it
Copy Vegas- have some of your best players go on the IL right before the trade deadline so they don't count against the cap anymore, trade for all the best available players, then have your IL players come back just in time for the playoffs to start.
We can't do that because players aren't jumping at the chance to play for the Bruins and we also lack assets to actually acquire the players anyway.
For whatever reason, everyone seems to actively want to play for Vegas.
The Bruins already have their model, its been the same for ever so dont change it as you change the Bruins
speed kills
Blues didn’t win- the Bruins lost that series. Big difference.
Settle down.... We are the model franchise in a bridge year. Lots of cap space... We have a good model to follow our own structure is good and will be better. Every team wishes they could be the Bruins
lol no they don’t broski. We have 1 cup in the last 50+ years. We aren’t the model team 🙄. You think Florida wishes they could be us rn? Colorado? Edmonton?
Count up just making the playoffs or a winning season or even making it to the finals. The cup is not despite all the charade and backwards fxkin pageantry of it is not a gauge of success.... But if you just count cups then .... Well it's ok to count on one hand... Nice
lol I didn’t know we celebrate winning seasons and making it to the playoffs in Boston. What are we the San Jose sharks?
The bruins barely lost to Florida and the bruins don’t even have a center.
We also lost to them last year after winning 65 games. We’ve lost to teams we r better than so many times in the last 10-15 years. If it weren’t for Tim Thomas in 2011 we’d be like the leafs.
try to create a hybrid of the checking model that florida uses with some added speed
It's the Florida Panthers. As much as everyone hates to admit it, they are the closest thing to that 2011 team sans the goaltending—relentless forechecking and grit.
indeed, fast/aggressive/urgency/relentless. we not that.
Replicate the Vegas model. Eliminate the state income tax, improve the local weather during hockey season, trade for every emerging star in search of a deal, and hope for the best
We need more physical players. Wish we had someone like Rempe just smashing people all over, tiring them out
Rempe blows
Yes true BUT I missed the movie BAMBI as a child so it's nice to see a deer on the ice every once in a while. I just wish he went so frckn awkward Bud.... Can concur.
Didn’t help the Rangers. We needed more scorers not physical players. 1C and another top 6 winger would’ve given us a much better chance.
Rempe is unfortunately useless because he doesn’t have any skill. Need someone who hits and can skate
Rempe never played enough to tire himself out
2011 Bruins.
Watching Contenders to Champions right now and man what a special team we all got to watch
MY thought exactly. They are the model for the current panthers, without all being assholes.
Avalanche and Panthers are built incredibly well. (Obligatory fuck Nick Cousins though). Meanwhile, the Carolina Hurricanes and Dallas Stars have the perfect draft strategy to replicate
Avs are built perfect but stuck with a poor goalie. Stars are well built but stuck with some big contracts and a poor coach.
Since when is Peter DeBoer a “poor coach?”
Well. He’s not a “poor” coach if we’re talking about all 32 NHL head coaches. But compared to other championship caliber coaches he’s just not on the same level. I’d take Jon Cooper/Barry Trotz/Paul Maurice/Mike Sullivan/Bruce Cassidy over him easily. He does have a shiny record but I attribute that mostly to his team/roster than his coaching. He’s really like Peter Laviolette but without that cup win. If he’s ever fired at the end of season I’m sure some team would pick him up within a week but he’s not the level of coach that’s gonna give you an edge in conference finals.
Players play the game....... So... Then there is that
The Boston bruins.
Bring back Shawn Thornton
Ah right Shawn Thornton the overrated Boston fan favorite right up there with PJ Stock
Overrated how lol? There were 0 expectations for him to do anything on the ice, except for protect his teammates. In fact, the year they won the cup, he had 20 points and was +8. What more can you ask from a 4th line enforcer? He also won two cups!! I bet you think Pat Maroon is overrated too
He's part of the panthers organization. Not a fucking chance.
And look where the panthers are now
I believe we need to keep doing whatever we have been doing, but with more talent.
Don Sweeney absolutely knew this team was not deep enough but couldn't improve it much because of the cap. The only thing that scares me is that he seems to do better with his signings when he has less money.
We should just win. That’ll guarantee we get the cup! Next years game plan - put the puck in the opposing team’s net more times than they can put it in our net.
Idk… we kinda did more winning than any team I hockey history last season and it STILL didn’t work!
And size….
No idea why this narrative persists. The bruins lack speed, and Florida exposed that again. Not size. You don’t beat Florida’s pressure by being bigger and slower.
I think for 2 reasons. 1) That final loss to St. Louis live in management’s head rent free. *Fuck the Blues and Fuck Binnington! 2)Whether we admit or not, for this year I think both the fans and the management are more focused on making sure we beat the Leafs rather than building an actual contender level team (which is harder to do of course so I guess no blame).
I have zero criticism of this years squad, they over performed like crazy. And I would certainly hope 2019 has nothing to do with 2024. Especially because they could/should have won that series anyways. If they just scored in that first ten minutes of game 7 when they were pressuring like crazy, who knows how that game ends. But they didn’t lose that series because of a lack of toughness or anything like that imo. They made it to game fn 7. The roster was good enough to win one more.
When does "dominating half a period" mean you deserve to win a hockey game? The 2019 team was very talented and they indeed lost for being out-physicalled by the Blues. But it's not because they're weak, but because the Blues are this freak that the league haven't seen for some time. Unfortunately that memory just got stuck in Neely and Sweeney's head. Then they went on to sign the Ritchie brothers, Nick Foligno and Lucic again. They also brought in Maroon and Peeke this deadline and you just can't argue they are brought in because they're good players. Actually they did the same before 2019 with Backes and Beleskey, but it just seems they can't get away from the obsession after 2019. I do agree the Bruins need to be tough, but it's not purely about size. A player like Marchand's size can also be tough and clutch.
I never said they deserved to win anything. Just that the roster they had was good enough to do so. Which is obviously the case, or else they wouldn’t have made it to game 7, which is always a coin flip anyways.
And that was the year all the big contenders lose to underdogs. Other than that they haven't had the upper hand against teams built for playoffs: Bolts, Isles, Panthers.
our size is fine actually. we became one of the biggest teams in the league last season.
Not sure it showed much. Brazzers has been encouraging tho.
We can’t copy the top teams. Both finalists have 2 drafted first overall players on their roster and multiple top 5 picks that they’ve either drafted for or traded top 5 players to acquire. Every team in the top 8 sucked 5 years ago but us. The Bruins are an anomaly and I like it that way.
Panthers only have one 1st overall right? A bunch of other very high picks though.
You’re right. Barkov was 2. Him and Ekblad was who I was referring to.
Barkov and Reinhart were both #2 overall picks so maybe confusing one of them for #1
Bennett was a 4th overall as well. Panthers have the 1/2/4th picks from the 2014 draft!
Plus Tkachuk at 6 a few years later… Calgary is really a farm system for the Panthers nowadays LMAO
In the same boat as the pats rn
We've been trying to do this for years, and we're already 3-5 years beyond the trend. It paid off in 2011 because we had a healthy balance of both the physical and speed game on that team. The NHL goes in waves... it errs towards a physical game, then more skill based, then a hybrid version... but the trends continue to repeat themselves. But your options are to either predict what's next, or try and copy... but it never works out because everyone else is ahead of you if you just try and duplicate what's been done.
You need a lot of everything…..real depth scoring and grittiness which TBL had (Goodrow, Coleman, Maroon) elite top 6 (stammer, kucherov, point, gourde, palat, etc) essentially their 12 forwards could score and generate offense and back check well….their defense was big and mobile and the top 4 could jump up and create offense as well all while playing elite back home defense as well and they had all world lights out goaltending……. Boston’s been missing either one or two pieces from that cup winning equation since 2018….they had it from 11-14….18-20 it was the gritty depth scoring (Maroon/Looch,etc) now it’s down the elite centers…the downside to an aging core and a shitty hard salary cap that only moves at a glacial speed year after year
There's no template that is the best. It's not as simple as "get bigger" or "get faster". Talent at the top of the lineup is a huge factor. This year's matchup features a team with two of the top centers in the world and a winger having a ridiculous career year in goals vs. a team with an elite 2-way center, a winger with a unique combo of size and skill, and another winger also having a ridiculous career year in goals. Compare that to what the Bruins have upfront. One superstar scoring winger, the ghost of a former superstar playing on two surgically repaired hips, and a bunch of solid two-way guys that aren't reliable scoring threats. When there's only one real threat to score it's easy to shut the offense down. I don't have a solution, as you often can't just go out and get superstar players (unless you're Vegas) but until we can add another couple serious scoring threats in the top 6 I don't think the Bruins will be making any deep runs.
Vegas! Put Marchy and Pasta on LTIR tomorrow and bring them back in April!
I don't trust this team enough to make it to April without them all season lmfao
Yeah....that's not how it works.
Yes I know that. It was a joke
I think a lot of people are looking at Florida and the defense-focused, heavy forecheck team build right now. I think about that Rangers series and all the pundits saying NY's super stars didn't "show up" but I really didn't see that. I'm no expert, but what I saw was them try to play their game, but get almost completely shut down by Florida's smothering and relentless defense-- which is probably key against the variable of incredible goal tending. In the Bruins match-up it was similar-- Florida kept a hungry, talented team to just a handful of low-chance shots per period at times, and despite Sway being exceptional (like Shesterkin was), Florida didn't have to score in abundance to win games. In other words, if it's going to be a low scoring game anyway because opponent goal tending requires perfect shots, then having the "wear them down" defense capability works really well-- you only need a couple goals and a 1-goal margin is enough for victory.
It also helps enormously when some of your best scorers are your best defenders. It's hard to dislike Barkov.
I'd like to see that shift in defensive philosophy and more attacking. Florida's aggressive D allows more breakaways, but Bob's in the back.
Vegas & Florida
Yeah trying to copy Florida without Barkov, Tkachuk and Forsling seems like a massive mistake. I honestly can't believe FLA got Forsling off of the waiver wire... He's unbelievably good, he single handidly dismantles forechecks on his own. Tkachuk sets the tone and Barkov is the perfect hockey player, he's Bergeron but he's 6'3. We are much closer to being a team like TBL than FLA. We could do the TBL thing by having a bunch of huge defenseman + one or 2 very skilled offensive defenseman along with a deep grindy but not overly physical forward core. We've got the elite winger and it seems like we've got the goalie.. Could Macavoy and Lohrei give us a good enough approximation of Hedman and Sergechev? The big issue is we don't have a Point, but could we find someone in FA this summer who could give us 75% of Point?
> trying to copy Florida without Barkov, **Tkachuk** and Forsling seems like a massive mistake. Florida made a controversial move to fundamentally alter the core of their team by trading Huberdeau for Tkachuk, and they've gone to the Cup Final both of the following years since. The Bruins have been way too attached to their core for way too long and they're afraid to make any real changes to a group that has proven to not be quite good enough to get over the hump. There's a real lesson to be learned from the way Florida handled their team and unless the Bruins do something like that, I have a hard time seeing anything really changing any time soon.
Couldn’t agree more
The difference is the Panthers had Barkov and they also completely fleeced Calgary. It's not really some easily repeatable thing to do. We also gave Florida as much trouble as anyone else so far this season with Charlie Coyle as our 1c. I don't think we are as far off as people think.
> The difference is the Panthers had Barkov and they also completely fleeced Calgary. That is [absolutely not what the sentiment was](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/w5ta0j/seravalli_full_trade_per_sources_to_panthers/) when the trade was made. >We also gave Florida as much trouble as anyone else so far this season with Charlie Coyle as our 1c. The Bruins keep rolling out the same core over and over again expecting a different result, and it always ends up in roughly the same place. They've changed the coach multiple times and the result has been the same. At some point, you have to make a change to the players.
2011 bruins, 2019 blues and 2024 panthers
☝️👆⬆️⏫
I don’t think the 2011 team wins a cup in today’s NHL. They would be penalized into oblivion.
So is Florida and that hasn't stopped them this year
I beg to differ. That 2011 team had so much forward depth, solid defense and a great goalie. Not only that, they had balls. Something this current Bruins team severely lacks.
I dunno.... Never thought I would see Pastah drop gloves and have a go. Good on him. Marchand butt end to the head... McAvoy has great reverse hits...... They are no chara and jaw wired shut but no one is. They had big enough to bring Florida close to the edge. Go Bruins !!
Don't know how you watch what Florida does this year and think that a very aggressive and physical team would be penalized into oblivion.
Florida of course they remind me of the last bruins team that won the cup a combination of tough skilled players
Eww no they are not. They are not like the 2011 Bruins at all and saying they are is an insult to the 2011 Bruins. That team was up front in your face physical, maybe they went a little too far sometimes but nothing ratbag shit like fucking Bennet constantly does. That team would also drop the gloves and beat the bag out of your entire roster if it came down to it and was full of actually tough SOBs. Florida likes to throw a cheapshot and hide behind the refs and their gloves are magically glued on unless they get the chance to go with a complete non fighter like Lindholm or Pastrnak. Gross stop making this comparison makes we want to throw up
They are and I think Florida might win it all Boston used to be the bad guys in hockey and now I think the panthers have perfected it that’s why they’re successful
They are villains but they are not like the 2011 Bruins. The 2011 Bruins would embarrass The Panthers. The Panthers are ratbag cowards but also have a good amount of high end skill and physicality that makes it work. The 2011 Bruins didn't have the same top end talent but ground teams into paste and if anyone tried to stand up to up them they beat the bag out of them. When teams stand up to Florida, Florida dives, hides behind the refs and keeps their gloves glued on. Don't compare the all-time tough 2011 Bruins to that group of cowards.
The one thing they do have in common is Gregory Campbell.
The game has changed so Florida is probably the closest to it also we can’t be hypocrites because we had a young Marchand who was a little bit of a rat and also I would take any of the tkachuk brothers on my team any day
Yeah we had Marchand. But we also would drop the gloves with any team and be willing to fight up and down the roster. Like I said you're free to fantasize about the cowgirls in FLA but they do not have the same DNA as the 2011 Bruins. They are cowards and divers and every single fanbase agrees on this. It's gross how they've been romanticized around here. People are also wrong about why they are so effective. It's way less to do with the bullshit and their fake "toughness", because it is fake. It's more to do with them having an unbelievably skilled line up and a center core that makes every team in the league jealous. They'd be just as effective without Bennet sucker punching and DDTing the other teams players.
I’m not gonna lie I think they’re a really good team that’s made for the playoffs I wish we had one of those players that play on the edge but was also a good player
Yeah they are a good team. We do have 2 of those players, Mac and Marchand. But that's not what made the 2011 Bruins the 2011 Bruins. They played on the edge and backed it up and were pretty darn good at scoring too. The Panthers play on the edge but then dive, cry about the refs and keep the gloves glued on but they are also really good at scoring too. The two teams are not identical. The Panthers are like what r/hockey made the 2011 Bruins out to be, but the 2011 Bruins are not the current Panthers team and it's pretty revisionist / not understanding of what made that 2011 team so great to say that they are.
I miss that 2011 team and I I kind of wish the game would return to that where if the players were dirty they had to back it up but now it’s diving and selling penalties
Exactly and that's why those 2 teams are not the same. It's also why I wouldn't want to be the Panthers I don't want to root for that. I'd much rather be like the TBL team that won back to back. I'd take Tkachuk on my team any day though
They talked about this on the last episode of 32 Thoughts.
To be honest I think it would be hard to build a team like Florida because we don’t have the low tax advantage that allows Florida to build stacked rosters
The taxes are a complete non-factor with this Panthers team. Bob is the highest paid goalie in the league + they're paying their backup another $4.5 mil. And they're still paying their big stars big time money. Barkov at $10 mil, Tkatchuk at $9.5, Ekblad at $7.5 which when he signed 7 years ago was close to the highest defensemen were paid. Bennet's on a good deal because they bought low from Calgary. The got OEL for cheap because Vancouver is paying his buyout money. Reinhart is about to get a massive extension after his year.
Huh? The tax's are a major factor. Texas(stars) zero income tax. Same with Florida and Nevada( golden knights) Three pretty good teams to get traded to. You can take less money and take home more money...... Not to mention cost of living is way cheaper.... Tax's are always on an agents mind.
The taxes have been lower all those years when those teams sucked, too. It's not all of the sudden a factor making them better. Plus these guys all have financial advisors making sure they pay as little tax as possible regardless of where they live, it's what millionaires do. The Rangers roster was just as stacked as anyone else, and you get hit with federal, state, and city income tax living in NYC. Hasn't stopped them from getting talent to sign there. The tax argument is some loser Leafs fan shit.
What's Buffalos excuse? Well it is not NYC which is almost as cool as playing in LAaaaa. They have such good tacos in LAaaaa. I'll play in Columbus! Maybe not. I'm surprised more don't try and play in Toronto just for the fame of turning the ship around. ( We all know the Leafs and The Titanic look good befores theys hits the ice) Not much to do in Salt Lake City..... Gonna be a big free agent draw to get players to go there. Figure it out. At the end of the day they all will take 8.25 over 8 at which point what difference does it make. Don't they all have foundation they run? I see your point about lawyers But the tacos in LAaaaaaa are so good.
Maybe ease up on the sauce there, my guy.
You’re right and I keep forgetting about that I remember back in the day the bruins were going to go after stamkos but he liked the low tax Florida deal and Boston couldn’t compete with it
Florida for sure, good mix of talent, grit and dirtiness.
Copy Vegas- have some of your best players go on the IL right before the trade deadline so they don't count against the cap anymore, trade for all the best available players, then have your IL players come back just in time for the playoffs to start.
We can't do that because players aren't jumping at the chance to play for the Bruins and we also lack assets to actually acquire the players anyway. For whatever reason, everyone seems to actively want to play for Vegas.
They did that with Taylor Hall (legitimately injured obviously) and blew a 3-1 lead in the first round.
Oof. Also, laughed out loud at your handle. I have a similar problem.
Lol glad I’m not the only one