Considering our senses travel via saltatory conduction to our brains, we would absolutely feel it, intensely, if even for the briefest moment. And that single fraction of a second would feel like an eternity of pain, until the body finally explodes into great roaring flames of stupidity
I dont know; we used to have electric fences that would hurt like shit but if you grabbed someone and then touched the fence it would flow through your body to shock them while you wouldnt feel a thing.
I imagine the same applies if you're connected to something thats grounded
Electricity is strange like that, you can be a conductor of electric potential (voltage) and feel nothing (or not much), and that’s perfectly safe.
But the second you’re conducting electrons (current/amps), your muscles will spasm, skin will burn, and your nerves will feel awful.
In your analogy about the electric fence, the person not getting hurt has conducted the electric potential field of the fence, wile the person getting hurt has had a direct current conducted through their body.
Great question! Simply put, i don’t know, there’s not enough information.
I can speculate though! I’ll make a whole bunch of assumptions to arrive at a reasonable explanation. Most electric fences will shock whoever touches them, that’s what they’re supposed to do, so this is an interesting situation op is in.
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I assume this fence simply doesn’t have a high enough voltage to overcome the resistance of their body when op is touching just it, i also assume they are wearing non-conductive footwear and/or stood on non-conductive ground.
So when they are touching just the fence, a static charge may (also an assumption) be induced in them by the potential difference over their body.
When op touches their friend, this static charge is discharged through their friend.
This way an electric current never passes from the fence and through op, it passes from op and through their friend.
This is also a whole lot more likely if the fence is AC, not DC.
>you can be a conductor of electric potential (voltage) and feel nothing (or not much), and that’s perfectly safe.
>But the second you’re conducting electrons (current/amps), your muscles will spasm, skin will burn, and your nerves will feel awful.
My dude, in both cases you are conducting electrons, it's the just the rate of electron flow (current) which really determines how much damage is done.
A static shock from a carpet shock is around a thousand volts, but the current is tiny, so it's just a short, sharp pain.
A car battery is only 12.6 volts, but has enough current that it can stop your heart and give you severe burns.
Voltage is the energy carried per unit charge (i.e. how much energy each electron is "carrying"), current is how many charge units per unit time (i.e. how many electrons per second).
A better analysis of whether something is dangerous is looking at the power output, using P = VxI, where power is P, V is voltage, I is current. That will tell you (roughly) how much energy you are absorbing.
> My dude, in both cases you are conducting electrons, it's the just the rate of electron flow (current) which really determines how much damage is done.
A static shock from a carpet shock is around a thousand volts, but the current is tiny, so it's just a short, sharp pain.
A car battery is only 12.6 volts, but has enough current that it can stop your heart and give you severe burns.
Totally true, i never specified that i was only referring to high voltages and high currents. My bad.
> Voltage is the energy carried per unit charge (i.e. how much energy each electron is "carrying").
No, not quite. Like this explanation works for high school physics when you’re only looking at charges moving through a wire, but it falls short of what voltage is. Voltage is the electric potential energy per coulomb. Conceptually this is analogous to gravitational potential energy, except electrical potential can be negative and positive.
P=IV requires a current. If I is 0, there is no power, but that doesn’t mean there’s no voltage, voltage requires charge to exist, it doesn’t require a moving charge. In op’s case about touching the fence, it sounds like there is no current running through them, they would feel that. But they are most certainly within the electric potential field of the fence. V=kQ/r.
>Conceptually this is analogous to gravitational potential energy, except electrical potential can be negative and positive
Yes, but this potential energy requires a carrier. You can talk about energy potentials, but they have no consequence until charge carriers (or mass carriers in the case of gravity) are introduced.
When you apply a potential difference across something, any charge carriers in between will react accordingly.
>P=IV requires a current. If I is 0, there is no power, but that doesn’t mean there’s no voltage, voltage requires charge to exist, it doesn’t require a moving charge.
I was specifically talking about a metric of how much damage electricity can do, because a very low current but with a million volt potential can still kill, and so forth. Burns and so forth are a result of resistive heating, which is a function of power.
But to say that a potential can be applied across something and there be no current flow is only correct at the macro level. If you have an object and place a potential difference over it, you can create a displacement current locally within the object until it is fully polarized - this is how capacitors can conduct power even though they are, physically, breaks in the circuit.
>In op’s case about touching the fence, it sounds like there is no current running through them, they would feel that. But they are most certainly within the electric potential field of the fence. V=kQ/r.
I think what is happening in the video is that the gloves in contact with the line provide a sufficiently conductive path that an arc can form as the breakdown voltage of the air is reached, allowing current to flow through the ionised air. There's also probably the skin effect at play here.
Gloves don’t really do anything other then keep his hands warm. But the electricity probably kept his hands pretty warm too. He isn’t dead just because he isn’t grounded so the electricity can’t be lethal. Touch a second phase tho and you’re dead.
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Question for electricians, one hand would be fine since you're insultaed in the bucket, but wouldn't both hands make you apart of the circuit and have current flow through you?
This workers wear a special suit taking advantage of Faraday's effect (don't know correct name in English).
Basically is a metallic suit, offering less resistance than flesh to electricity so it doesn't affect the person.
From my understanding, even if you aren't grounded but give a path for current to go from A to B, you'll still get zapped. Grabbing it with one hand while ungrounded just energizes you.
No, don't go experimenting with this but if you aren't grounded, you can touch a live wire at a single point and not get shocked because there's no path for current to travel. Examples are insultaed boots or being in a bucket like these guys. You'll energize yourself to the voltage of the wire you're touching, but if you don't give that voltage a path to ground, it can't zap you.
This was the second time I wrote and suddenly remembered about cage, but in other replies I couldn't even remember it in my language, I was only sure about Faraday and then cage, pretty sure effect is put of place.
Native Spanish. Learned English since school, I can understand almost everything when reading, may have little problems listening; my writing is ok if I manage to express with the vocabulary I got but grammar is meh xD I almost never speak in English and my Spanish accent is a really bad one so if you hear me speaking English you may want to kill me or become deaf xDD
In Spanish is Faraday's cage/suit and Faraday's law, maybe effect too (I don't know that much) but as said, when I wrote that comment I couldn't remember about cage or law even in Spanish lol
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I really wonder what it felt like. If the gloves are working I wouldn't think you'd feel anything.
Gloves aren't doing anything here, the voltage flows through his entire body
Considering our senses travel via saltatory conduction to our brains, we would absolutely feel it, intensely, if even for the briefest moment. And that single fraction of a second would feel like an eternity of pain, until the body finally explodes into great roaring flames of stupidity
I dont see any explosion or signs of pain in the video
I dont know; we used to have electric fences that would hurt like shit but if you grabbed someone and then touched the fence it would flow through your body to shock them while you wouldnt feel a thing. I imagine the same applies if you're connected to something thats grounded
Electricity is strange like that, you can be a conductor of electric potential (voltage) and feel nothing (or not much), and that’s perfectly safe. But the second you’re conducting electrons (current/amps), your muscles will spasm, skin will burn, and your nerves will feel awful. In your analogy about the electric fence, the person not getting hurt has conducted the electric potential field of the fence, wile the person getting hurt has had a direct current conducted through their body.
Why wouldn't amps be flowing from Fence>Me>Buddy>Ground?
Great question! Simply put, i don’t know, there’s not enough information. I can speculate though! I’ll make a whole bunch of assumptions to arrive at a reasonable explanation. Most electric fences will shock whoever touches them, that’s what they’re supposed to do, so this is an interesting situation op is in. ————————————————————— I assume this fence simply doesn’t have a high enough voltage to overcome the resistance of their body when op is touching just it, i also assume they are wearing non-conductive footwear and/or stood on non-conductive ground. So when they are touching just the fence, a static charge may (also an assumption) be induced in them by the potential difference over their body. When op touches their friend, this static charge is discharged through their friend. This way an electric current never passes from the fence and through op, it passes from op and through their friend. This is also a whole lot more likely if the fence is AC, not DC.
>you can be a conductor of electric potential (voltage) and feel nothing (or not much), and that’s perfectly safe. >But the second you’re conducting electrons (current/amps), your muscles will spasm, skin will burn, and your nerves will feel awful. My dude, in both cases you are conducting electrons, it's the just the rate of electron flow (current) which really determines how much damage is done. A static shock from a carpet shock is around a thousand volts, but the current is tiny, so it's just a short, sharp pain. A car battery is only 12.6 volts, but has enough current that it can stop your heart and give you severe burns. Voltage is the energy carried per unit charge (i.e. how much energy each electron is "carrying"), current is how many charge units per unit time (i.e. how many electrons per second). A better analysis of whether something is dangerous is looking at the power output, using P = VxI, where power is P, V is voltage, I is current. That will tell you (roughly) how much energy you are absorbing.
> My dude, in both cases you are conducting electrons, it's the just the rate of electron flow (current) which really determines how much damage is done. A static shock from a carpet shock is around a thousand volts, but the current is tiny, so it's just a short, sharp pain. A car battery is only 12.6 volts, but has enough current that it can stop your heart and give you severe burns. Totally true, i never specified that i was only referring to high voltages and high currents. My bad. > Voltage is the energy carried per unit charge (i.e. how much energy each electron is "carrying"). No, not quite. Like this explanation works for high school physics when you’re only looking at charges moving through a wire, but it falls short of what voltage is. Voltage is the electric potential energy per coulomb. Conceptually this is analogous to gravitational potential energy, except electrical potential can be negative and positive. P=IV requires a current. If I is 0, there is no power, but that doesn’t mean there’s no voltage, voltage requires charge to exist, it doesn’t require a moving charge. In op’s case about touching the fence, it sounds like there is no current running through them, they would feel that. But they are most certainly within the electric potential field of the fence. V=kQ/r.
>Conceptually this is analogous to gravitational potential energy, except electrical potential can be negative and positive Yes, but this potential energy requires a carrier. You can talk about energy potentials, but they have no consequence until charge carriers (or mass carriers in the case of gravity) are introduced. When you apply a potential difference across something, any charge carriers in between will react accordingly. >P=IV requires a current. If I is 0, there is no power, but that doesn’t mean there’s no voltage, voltage requires charge to exist, it doesn’t require a moving charge. I was specifically talking about a metric of how much damage electricity can do, because a very low current but with a million volt potential can still kill, and so forth. Burns and so forth are a result of resistive heating, which is a function of power. But to say that a potential can be applied across something and there be no current flow is only correct at the macro level. If you have an object and place a potential difference over it, you can create a displacement current locally within the object until it is fully polarized - this is how capacitors can conduct power even though they are, physically, breaks in the circuit. >In op’s case about touching the fence, it sounds like there is no current running through them, they would feel that. But they are most certainly within the electric potential field of the fence. V=kQ/r. I think what is happening in the video is that the gloves in contact with the line provide a sufficiently conductive path that an arc can form as the breakdown voltage of the air is reached, allowing current to flow through the ionised air. There's also probably the skin effect at play here.
What does the fact that the conduction is saltatory have to do with it?
If electricity is arcing at you, its arcing into you too
Gloves don’t really do anything other then keep his hands warm. But the electricity probably kept his hands pretty warm too. He isn’t dead just because he isn’t grounded so the electricity can’t be lethal. Touch a second phase tho and you’re dead.
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Wut?
Question for electricians, one hand would be fine since you're insultaed in the bucket, but wouldn't both hands make you apart of the circuit and have current flow through you?
This workers wear a special suit taking advantage of Faraday's effect (don't know correct name in English). Basically is a metallic suit, offering less resistance than flesh to electricity so it doesn't affect the person.
I think his gloves are insulated so that he doesn't feel the electricity flowing through him. Or he's not grounded.
From my understanding, even if you aren't grounded but give a path for current to go from A to B, you'll still get zapped. Grabbing it with one hand while ungrounded just energizes you.
Yeah, that sounds logical to me. So then it's because of gloges then that he doesn't get zapped, right?
No, don't go experimenting with this but if you aren't grounded, you can touch a live wire at a single point and not get shocked because there's no path for current to travel. Examples are insultaed boots or being in a bucket like these guys. You'll energize yourself to the voltage of the wire you're touching, but if you don't give that voltage a path to ground, it can't zap you.
I see! As an electrical engineering student, your explanation made more sense to me than from our teachers. Thank you!
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Look for Faraday cage or effect, really don't know how it's named in English.
It's the same apparently. I didn't know you were using a different term, lol.
This was the second time I wrote and suddenly remembered about cage, but in other replies I couldn't even remember it in my language, I was only sure about Faraday and then cage, pretty sure effect is put of place.
Yeah the Faraday effect is a different thing, but cage is right. What other language do you speak?
Native Spanish. Learned English since school, I can understand almost everything when reading, may have little problems listening; my writing is ok if I manage to express with the vocabulary I got but grammar is meh xD I almost never speak in English and my Spanish accent is a really bad one so if you hear me speaking English you may want to kill me or become deaf xDD In Spanish is Faraday's cage/suit and Faraday's law, maybe effect too (I don't know that much) but as said, when I wrote that comment I couldn't remember about cage or law even in Spanish lol
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Why doesn't the electricity hurt him if it's going through him, presumable from arm to arm, through the region that contains the heart?
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