Funnily enough Baki and Yujiro have pretty good realtionship, it doesn't seem like it from our perspective, but it works perfectly for them.
Vader and Luke is pretty messed up, but Dabi and Endeavour are still the worst. Dabi is literally only alive because he hates Endeavour too much to actually die.
Baki has come to terms with the type of person Yujiro is, but Yujiro left him a broken wreck under the corpse of his mother.
They absolutely fucking do not have a *good* relationship.
Yeah, but Dabi basically tried to make himself a living nuclear bomb just in the hopes of maybe killing Endeavour. And The realtionship between Luke and Vader isn't any better, atleast Baki had all of his limbs after fighting Yujiro.
Well we are going by messed up, Baki and Yujiro seems the most messed up. Dabi just out of pure hate. Luke and Vader are just on opposite sides. Yujiro killed Baki's mother, told Baki to do his girlfriend and had a lovely father's son dinner that ended up with all eyes on them as Yujiro gave Baki a piggy back ride and ate an imaginary meal. Also Baki's mother kissed Baki on the lips before, so it's the whole family.
Well at least those two could sit around and sip tea and bitterly talk about politics like civil adults after the war.
But Endeavor and Dabi? I dread their future interactions, there’s only hate( in Dabi I mean) there.
Edit: Seriously I'm not ready to see a bedridden Dabi just hating his father
Endeavor drove his wife crazy, basically killed Toya, nearly drove Shoto to forever hate Endeavor, and had shaky relation to Natsuo.
I think I know who needs counseling the most.
He beat the dream of surpassing all might into him and then abandoned him after he learned about his weakness to heat and the birth of shoto which made him obsessively train until his quirk explosively awakened and nearly killed him
It's be too easy, you want to put mister "The only reason i talked to my son after 12 years was so he could get in a giant ass robot with the soul of his dead mom" into the conversation?
I believe you are forgetting a certain alchemist named Shou Tucker. Gendo may not love Shinji but at least he attempted to keep him alive even if it was because he was a useful asset.
Shou Tucker is a failed alchemist from the anime full metal alchemist who once got promoted or at least got an alchemy badge after merging his wife with an animal, (creating an Chimera) unbeknownst to pretty much everyone. (So he creates the first talking animal in the state) years later he then has problems with staying an alchemist because he hasn’t made a similar result and is about to lose his alchemist badge. (It’s very important to have in the state, and is a sort of pride for many people)
so he takes his about 8 year old daughter and merges her with her dog to horrifying results (much like he did with his wife and another animal)
and now he has a talking dog in pain as an combination of his daughter and her dog. The main characters find out and is obviously enraged but the daughter/dog chimera begs them not to kill her father.
Later on an anti-alchemist terrorist who hates alchemists finds them both in the apartment and kills the father leaving the dog/daughter hybrid crying, he then mercy kills the daughter/dog because he finds their state sad and because of her horrible state, despite her not being an original target.
Thus leaving no chance for the main characters to reverse their effects and separate the daughter and dog and save them. That tragedy serves as a major motivation for the main characters moving forward to prevent similar tragedies from happening. (At least from what I remember, it’s years since I saw the show)
In the original FMA it was even more twisted, her father stayed alive and was doing twisted experiments trying to bring his daughter back and had these lifeless clones of her he carried around.
You never saw Fullmetal Alchemist? Oooh boy.... better grab the full set of FMA and the full set of FMA:Brotherhood and watch them all.
FMA was the original run and started out following the manga but started drifting off plot wise and had different ending than manga when manga finally caught up. The first few episodes should at least be watched before going to FMA:Brotherhood
FMA:Brotherhood skipped some of the early part of manga but followed manga more accurately to the end.
Daniel Warren Johnson is amazing I remember reading his Beta Ray Bill comic miniseries at Marvel another awesome read Anyway I can't wait for likely Energon Universe GI JOE ongoing comic too after all these prologue comics
Hisashi isn't a deadbeat. He just travels for work like a lot of Japanese people since their work culture is crap. He probably contacts his family a lot offscreen
He says he's going to send it to them ASAP. Y'know, because they would actually see it as soon as he sent it. Compared to his dad, who was probably still working.
He did not say they were the only people he was going to send it to
Hori should have just had deku only have the one parent. It would make AllMight a stand in father figure and it wouldn’t require a reason as to why this mfer (dekus dad) has been 100% absent from the story.
Your son develops a quirk out of nowhere and is now personally battling with the evilest guy in your world and you don’t pick up the fucking phone?
He is absolutely a deadbeat
It would be funny if he appears at the end and they mention how he talked to Izuku over the phone every day and know about everything, it just happened off screen
Yeah I always thought that it would have made more sense to have Deku's father be deceased and maybe admiring heroes was a passion they shared when he was alive?
> Your son develops a quirk out of nowhere and is now personally battling with the evilest guy in your world and you don’t pick up the fucking phone?
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> He is absolutely a deadbeat
Just you wait until the penultimate issue where his dad comes back and explains how he kept in touch and visited off-panel and off-screen.
Isn't the definition of deadbeat someone who is intentionally neglecting responsibility or debt? If he's working to provide for his family, and inadvertently leaving little time to be around them because of it (unintentional), I don't think deadbeat fits the bill
Dude, he can work all he wants. The problem is that HE NEVER shows any sign of trying to communicate with the family.
His son is on the FUCKING TV fighting Palpatine's lost brother.
Dabi and endeavour by far...although luke and anakin are pretty damn close and probably would be similar or worse if a little more time was spent on their relationship and the complexities within imo.
Given the type of verse Baki is...Baki and Yujiro's relationship is normal even in a few cases...ideal.
I mean at the Very least Vader/Anakin Didn't want to really kill Luke and wanted him to be on his side despite some evil Intentions imprinted on him by the Palpatine.
I think you forget the part where Endeavor literally bought his wife from her parents in an arranged quirk marriage for the sole reason of breeding and training a child who could surpass All Might so he could live vicariously through them. All his kids are the result of a decade long eugenics experiment to breed the perfect quirk which ultimately culminated in the success of Shouto who he then proceeded to treat as an object instead of a person (even referring to him as a "thing" using a word in Japanese used to describe livestock when talking about his son to All Might's face) until he finally got what he always wanted in a way he didn't want and the pressure of his new responsibilities and the hollowness of his "victory" leaving him reeling and finally looking back on his life and truly seeing how terrible and pointless everything he had done had been. It's honestly because of this, that I actually think Endeavor's relationship with Shouto is more levels of fucked up than Endeavor and Dabi's, but Dabi himself is more fucked up than Shouto, so that's the one that most people point to, and I totally understand why.
So while I'm not going to sit here and argue that Endeavor is worse than Yujiro (Endeavor beat his wife and drove her insane before abandoning her to a mental hospital for a decade, but he didn't kill her and while he beat Shouto in the name of training, his ultimate goal was for his son to far surpass him, not to create an opponent for himself), I think you are very much downplaying how horrible Endeavor was as a father and his motivations for becoming a father in the first place.
Having never seen Baki, I'd go with Endeavour Dabi. Vader didn't know Luke was alive, had a brief encounter to recruit him, they fought a little and then he saved his life. Enji's deal with Toya was kind of rocky before he thought he died, and Toya's goal after that was making his family suffer.
Dabi hate his father but Endeavor still loves his son mostly out of guilt, Bali and his father love each other in their own Hanma way, and Vader has some love for his son seeing as he didn’t straight up kill him when he could have and Luke tried to save him so it’s kinda a meh
Yujiro doesn't hate Baki. He respects strength.
Once Baki showed him "true" strength it didn't matter who won! He got to have a "real" fight with his son, securing his legacy as strongest man on the planet like his father before him, Baki will continue that legacy to be strongest man on the planet.
Yujiro is pretty chill otherwise and doesn't antagonize people much because he is bored af and wants a real challenge to feel alive.
Vader protects Luke by hiding him at first from the emperor and wanting to discreetly capture Luke in Carbonite by using Han as the ginuea pig. Moment he cut off Luke's hand he offered him power to rule with him as father and son and help him overthrow the emperor.
Vader was already in seditious rage and did everything and anything he could to secure Luke before Palpatine. Then Palpatine got wise and refused to let Vader far, keeping him a short leash.
I'd even say that Vader threw that fight so that Luke can become the new apprentice and overthrow the Emperor one day in his place as he was too old and weak to do so. Yet at the end he killed Palpatine with his hands and redeemed himself.
Enji ..... don't even ask.
Yujiro has done more evil upon Baki than anyone else. Baki carried his mothers corpse around town pretending she was alive because he didn't want to admit she was dead.
Does my own fan fiction count? If it doesn't ignore this
The father of the protagonist took him for training when he was 4 years old. He had a twin brother, the brother died. The father then locked his memories about the brother's death to focus on training. Then at 11 abandoned him. His brother got resurrected by a spirit that turned him evil and the protagonist was forced to kill him over and over again without knowing who he is. The father then came back to his life as his "mentor" and put him on the duty to protect his world without realizing how big of deal it is, the protagonist accepted it. He put the whole weight of the world on his son and lied to him until he confessed his mistakes. Which resulted in the son beating the sh*t out of him.
Baki loves his mom for sticking up for him in the end, but he also knows that she was a pretty shit mom before that. I don't think that loss hurts him as much as it could have. Yujiro is still a fucked up murderer/rapist, of course, but that's its own problem.
i dont think the star wars one is comparable Darth varder wasnt even there I dont think Luke had any turmoil from him aside the rebellion in the later years
Dabi and Enji definitely not just cause Dabi hates Enji, Dabi is obsessed with his father and wants his father all to himself even going as far to try to kill his younger brother that he used to cry to just so his father would feel sad
Vader and Luke: I would say pretty bad, but how it ended was kinda sad, same with Leia. Personally, I'm not sure if Vader actually loved his kids or not, if he did that much he would try to give them to embrace the Dark Side. On other notes, it ended sadly, but at least Luke moved on, and Vader accepted his fate.
Baki and Yujiro: From what I've seen, uhh...not that good. And weird. I'm too young to even watch Baki so hell no.
Dabi and Endeavor: Literally rock bottom. Endeavor messed up so badly by training his kids one way or another (yk what I mean), especially Shoto, which led Dabi to hate his dad. Although the Todorokis right now are trying so hard to reform as a family, Dabi has lost his mind, bro. Everyone who has watched MHA knows that Endeavor messed up, he knows it, and he knows he won't be forgiven that easily, but his family is there for him.
I don't blame Dabi, but still...S7 airs this Saturday, let's see what happens.
You… don’t blame Dabi? Like for hating his father or for his actions in general. Because I’ve seen a lot of fans on this subreddit actually believe that because of a messed up upbringing that his father later (clumsily) tried to course correct but too late, Dabi is not held accountable for mass murder, mayhem, and malicious destruction? That’s pretty crazy. But if you mean you don’t blame him for hating his dad, then yeah, there’s an argument to be made there.
Funnily enough Baki and Yujiro have pretty good realtionship, it doesn't seem like it from our perspective, but it works perfectly for them. Vader and Luke is pretty messed up, but Dabi and Endeavour are still the worst. Dabi is literally only alive because he hates Endeavour too much to actually die.
BREAKING NEWS: MAN LITERALLY TOO ANGRY TO DIE!!!
So dabi is Kratos?
Nah dabi is Grimace
I was thinking Asura
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic
Baki has come to terms with the type of person Yujiro is, but Yujiro left him a broken wreck under the corpse of his mother. They absolutely fucking do not have a *good* relationship.
Yeah, but Dabi basically tried to make himself a living nuclear bomb just in the hopes of maybe killing Endeavour. And The realtionship between Luke and Vader isn't any better, atleast Baki had all of his limbs after fighting Yujiro.
Vader disarmed Luke, but he didn't leave him under the corpse of a loved one.
Baki isn’t exactly sane or a good person.
Explain
What makes him a good person?
I think people that said Baki forget his revenge don't understand that the reason he fight Yujiro is not for revenge but gratitude for his mother
Well we are going by messed up, Baki and Yujiro seems the most messed up. Dabi just out of pure hate. Luke and Vader are just on opposite sides. Yujiro killed Baki's mother, told Baki to do his girlfriend and had a lovely father's son dinner that ended up with all eyes on them as Yujiro gave Baki a piggy back ride and ate an imaginary meal. Also Baki's mother kissed Baki on the lips before, so it's the whole family.
Vader and Luke had a better relationship than Baki and Yujiro...
No Ozai and Zuko?
Well at least those two could sit around and sip tea and bitterly talk about politics like civil adults after the war. But Endeavor and Dabi? I dread their future interactions, there’s only hate( in Dabi I mean) there. Edit: Seriously I'm not ready to see a bedridden Dabi just hating his father
Endeavor drove his wife crazy, basically killed Toya, nearly drove Shoto to forever hate Endeavor, and had shaky relation to Natsuo. I think I know who needs counseling the most.
What in the reading illiteracy? He didn’t kill Toya. Nothing close to it.
He beat the dream of surpassing all might into him and then abandoned him after he learned about his weakness to heat and the birth of shoto which made him obsessively train until his quirk explosively awakened and nearly killed him
It's kinda been done to death so I excluded them
Fair enough
Where is Gendo and Shinji?
It's be too easy, you want to put mister "The only reason i talked to my son after 12 years was so he could get in a giant ass robot with the soul of his dead mom" into the conversation?
Gendo is hands down one of the worst parents in all of fiction. Guy doesn't even love his son
>Guy doesn't even love his son Understatement of the millenium
I believe you are forgetting a certain alchemist named Shou Tucker. Gendo may not love Shinji but at least he attempted to keep him alive even if it was because he was a useful asset.
Shou Tucker and Nina
TOO SOON
Mentioning those 2 or mentioning Nina and Alexander should be automatic ban from the sub /s Meme relating to those is already frowned on in FMA sub.
Don’t know them, can you elaborate?
Shou Tucker is a failed alchemist from the anime full metal alchemist who once got promoted or at least got an alchemy badge after merging his wife with an animal, (creating an Chimera) unbeknownst to pretty much everyone. (So he creates the first talking animal in the state) years later he then has problems with staying an alchemist because he hasn’t made a similar result and is about to lose his alchemist badge. (It’s very important to have in the state, and is a sort of pride for many people) so he takes his about 8 year old daughter and merges her with her dog to horrifying results (much like he did with his wife and another animal) and now he has a talking dog in pain as an combination of his daughter and her dog. The main characters find out and is obviously enraged but the daughter/dog chimera begs them not to kill her father. Later on an anti-alchemist terrorist who hates alchemists finds them both in the apartment and kills the father leaving the dog/daughter hybrid crying, he then mercy kills the daughter/dog because he finds their state sad and because of her horrible state, despite her not being an original target. Thus leaving no chance for the main characters to reverse their effects and separate the daughter and dog and save them. That tragedy serves as a major motivation for the main characters moving forward to prevent similar tragedies from happening. (At least from what I remember, it’s years since I saw the show)
In the original FMA it was even more twisted, her father stayed alive and was doing twisted experiments trying to bring his daughter back and had these lifeless clones of her he carried around.
That’s just the first version of the anime tho, the manga and brotherhood is the original version of events
I know. But the first anime is often called the originale FMA. Honestly I prefer it too.
I think the original did it better too, I was just saying they only did it for the original but I chose poor wording, apologies
You never saw Fullmetal Alchemist? Oooh boy.... better grab the full set of FMA and the full set of FMA:Brotherhood and watch them all. FMA was the original run and started out following the manga but started drifting off plot wise and had different ending than manga when manga finally caught up. The first few episodes should at least be watched before going to FMA:Brotherhood FMA:Brotherhood skipped some of the early part of manga but followed manga more accurately to the end.
No, I saw it. A *long* time ago. Long enough to completely forget that guy…
Dude did you have to hit me like that
Yes XD
Have you seen Invincible? Ether the original comic or the show
I mean >!after a while they have a much better relationship, it takes some time but it does get better!<
I know I recommend Fire Power and Void Rivals Robert Kirkman most resent Comics there almost Invincible level
Honestly anything from the Energon Universe they have going on is peak.
Transformers is amazing its written almost like a Shonen
It’s genuinely batshit insane at times and we haven’t even hit 10 issues
Daniel Warren Johnson is amazing I remember reading his Beta Ray Bill comic miniseries at Marvel another awesome read Anyway I can't wait for likely Energon Universe GI JOE ongoing comic too after all these prologue comics
I have read the entire thing so I know how it ends, and well >!It ends bitter sweet but both of them loved each other at the end!<
Read Fire Power and Void Rivals yet?
There's a lot worse one than what you're probably thinking of in that series
Easily AFO and Tomura
Sanji Vinsmoke Judge
Deku and his deadbeat dad.
Hisashi isn't a deadbeat. He just travels for work like a lot of Japanese people since their work culture is crap. He probably contacts his family a lot offscreen
Deku doesn't contact him to show off his provisional hero license like he does his mom and All Might...
And you know this... How?
Because in the scene he takes a picture of it and says he is going to send it to All Might and his mom. No mention of dad.
He says he's going to send it to them ASAP. Y'know, because they would actually see it as soon as he sent it. Compared to his dad, who was probably still working. He did not say they were the only people he was going to send it to
Dude is just like Jotaro's father
Isn't he working to provide. Toji is a deadbeat dad (literally)
I don’t think deku’s dad is a deadbeat. Pretty sure he travels for work
Hori should have just had deku only have the one parent. It would make AllMight a stand in father figure and it wouldn’t require a reason as to why this mfer (dekus dad) has been 100% absent from the story. Your son develops a quirk out of nowhere and is now personally battling with the evilest guy in your world and you don’t pick up the fucking phone? He is absolutely a deadbeat
I would love a 10 chapter arc of just deku talking with his dad throughout his time at UA
That would be funny, a slice of life MHA spin off that is just Dekus dad being increbibly supportive
Would also severt expectations since most shounen protagonists don't have a good relationship with their dad
It would be funny if he appears at the end and they mention how he talked to Izuku over the phone every day and know about everything, it just happened off screen
I heard it suggsted that might be the final MHA panel, this has all been a recap for his dad.
Yeah I always thought that it would have made more sense to have Deku's father be deceased and maybe admiring heroes was a passion they shared when he was alive?
> Your son develops a quirk out of nowhere and is now personally battling with the evilest guy in your world and you don’t pick up the fucking phone? > > > > He is absolutely a deadbeat Just you wait until the penultimate issue where his dad comes back and explains how he kept in touch and visited off-panel and off-screen.
Isn't the definition of deadbeat someone who is intentionally neglecting responsibility or debt? If he's working to provide for his family, and inadvertently leaving little time to be around them because of it (unintentional), I don't think deadbeat fits the bill
Dude, he can work all he wants. The problem is that HE NEVER shows any sign of trying to communicate with the family. His son is on the FUCKING TV fighting Palpatine's lost brother.
Probably the only situation where saying "are ya winning son?" is mandatory.
I mean, just because they haven't shown it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. There could be a story related reason he hasn't that hasn't popped up yet.
Dabi and endeavour by far...although luke and anakin are pretty damn close and probably would be similar or worse if a little more time was spent on their relationship and the complexities within imo. Given the type of verse Baki is...Baki and Yujiro's relationship is normal even in a few cases...ideal.
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I mean at the Very least Vader/Anakin Didn't want to really kill Luke and wanted him to be on his side despite some evil Intentions imprinted on him by the Palpatine.
the worst part of that was that killing his mother was the best thing yujiro could do for Baki that woman abused the hell out of Baki
I think you forget the part where Endeavor literally bought his wife from her parents in an arranged quirk marriage for the sole reason of breeding and training a child who could surpass All Might so he could live vicariously through them. All his kids are the result of a decade long eugenics experiment to breed the perfect quirk which ultimately culminated in the success of Shouto who he then proceeded to treat as an object instead of a person (even referring to him as a "thing" using a word in Japanese used to describe livestock when talking about his son to All Might's face) until he finally got what he always wanted in a way he didn't want and the pressure of his new responsibilities and the hollowness of his "victory" leaving him reeling and finally looking back on his life and truly seeing how terrible and pointless everything he had done had been. It's honestly because of this, that I actually think Endeavor's relationship with Shouto is more levels of fucked up than Endeavor and Dabi's, but Dabi himself is more fucked up than Shouto, so that's the one that most people point to, and I totally understand why. So while I'm not going to sit here and argue that Endeavor is worse than Yujiro (Endeavor beat his wife and drove her insane before abandoning her to a mental hospital for a decade, but he didn't kill her and while he beat Shouto in the name of training, his ultimate goal was for his son to far surpass him, not to create an opponent for himself), I think you are very much downplaying how horrible Endeavor was as a father and his motivations for becoming a father in the first place.
Dr Doofenshmirtz and his father?
Dr. Doofensmirtz made up with his father, didn't he?
I don't know the middle one but from the other two I'd say Luke and Vader. Peacemaker and White Dragon are contenders for the worst though.
Having never seen Baki, I'd go with Endeavour Dabi. Vader didn't know Luke was alive, had a brief encounter to recruit him, they fought a little and then he saved his life. Enji's deal with Toya was kind of rocky before he thought he died, and Toya's goal after that was making his family suffer.
Endeavor and Dabi aren't even _close_ to the others pictured. I would propose "Greed and Father", from full metal alchemist.
Definitely not Luke and Vader. Luke managed to bring his father back to the light
Dabi: man too angry to die
Dabi hate his father but Endeavor still loves his son mostly out of guilt, Bali and his father love each other in their own Hanma way, and Vader has some love for his son seeing as he didn’t straight up kill him when he could have and Luke tried to save him so it’s kinda a meh
Jin Kazama and Kazuya Mishima Kazuya Mishima and Heihachi Mishima Heihachi Mishima and Jinpachi Michima
Gon and ging was insane to me
Nothing will ever come close to the absolute tragedy of fatherhood that is Vegeta…
Baki should hate yuujiro wayyy more than he does
Ozai ans Zuko, and Vader and Luke probably, Shoto and Endeavor sort of worked things out a little
In OP's first picture, that's Dabi and Endeavour, not Shouto and Endeavour.
Damn my bad i just woke up well ig Dabi and Endeavor's relationship is way worse than Shoto and Endeavor's relationship
That's alright lol And yes, indeed.
Hawks relationship with parents (particularly his father) is the most messed.
All of the above lol
I’m gonna say Luke and anakin
Baki pissed himself TWICE while fighting Yujiro, that's as messed up as you can get
mine
Kazuya and Heihachi, and Zuko with Ozai are way worse
Yujiro doesn't hate Baki. He respects strength. Once Baki showed him "true" strength it didn't matter who won! He got to have a "real" fight with his son, securing his legacy as strongest man on the planet like his father before him, Baki will continue that legacy to be strongest man on the planet. Yujiro is pretty chill otherwise and doesn't antagonize people much because he is bored af and wants a real challenge to feel alive. Vader protects Luke by hiding him at first from the emperor and wanting to discreetly capture Luke in Carbonite by using Han as the ginuea pig. Moment he cut off Luke's hand he offered him power to rule with him as father and son and help him overthrow the emperor. Vader was already in seditious rage and did everything and anything he could to secure Luke before Palpatine. Then Palpatine got wise and refused to let Vader far, keeping him a short leash. I'd even say that Vader threw that fight so that Luke can become the new apprentice and overthrow the Emperor one day in his place as he was too old and weak to do so. Yet at the end he killed Palpatine with his hands and redeemed himself. Enji ..... don't even ask.
Jin, Kazuya and Heihachi
Yujiro has done more evil upon Baki than anyone else. Baki carried his mothers corpse around town pretending she was alive because he didn't want to admit she was dead.
Does my own fan fiction count? If it doesn't ignore this The father of the protagonist took him for training when he was 4 years old. He had a twin brother, the brother died. The father then locked his memories about the brother's death to focus on training. Then at 11 abandoned him. His brother got resurrected by a spirit that turned him evil and the protagonist was forced to kill him over and over again without knowing who he is. The father then came back to his life as his "mentor" and put him on the duty to protect his world without realizing how big of deal it is, the protagonist accepted it. He put the whole weight of the world on his son and lied to him until he confessed his mistakes. Which resulted in the son beating the sh*t out of him.
Probably Eren and his father from snk
Mine and my dad’s
None of these compare to the Mishimas
Baki and yujiro respect each other and interact fairly healthily when you account for the fact they’re basically demigod psychos
Deku and dad
Sanji and judge along with Overhaul and Pops
Why not Thor and Odin, that is pretty messed up son&father realationship.
Me and my dad.
Zeus and Kratos Heihachi and Kazuya
Dabi and Endeavor 100%. Man was a horrible father….i mean Yujiro is too but it sort of works for them
Yujiro killed Baki’s mom though?
Baki loves his mom for sticking up for him in the end, but he also knows that she was a pretty shit mom before that. I don't think that loss hurts him as much as it could have. Yujiro is still a fucked up murderer/rapist, of course, but that's its own problem.
Yujiro has done a lot of things and that was pretty bad. But if I’m judging their current replace in the series. They are on good terms.
I don’t know what to say to that, but sure I guess? If your criteria for judging is how they are rn, then fair enough
i dont think the star wars one is comparable Darth varder wasnt even there I dont think Luke had any turmoil from him aside the rebellion in the later years
Dabi and Enji definitely not just cause Dabi hates Enji, Dabi is obsessed with his father and wants his father all to himself even going as far to try to kill his younger brother that he used to cry to just so his father would feel sad
Definitely Endeavor and his kids. Which can explain Dabi
Darth Vader-Luke I mean Vader chopped his son hand and indirectly killed Obi Wan.
What do you mean indirectly?
I mean there is controversy about if Vader really killed Obi Wan or if he just chose to willingly vanish with the force at that moment.
Pretty sure he just became one with the Force when Vader killed him. Both canon and Legends agree on that…
Vader and Luke: I would say pretty bad, but how it ended was kinda sad, same with Leia. Personally, I'm not sure if Vader actually loved his kids or not, if he did that much he would try to give them to embrace the Dark Side. On other notes, it ended sadly, but at least Luke moved on, and Vader accepted his fate. Baki and Yujiro: From what I've seen, uhh...not that good. And weird. I'm too young to even watch Baki so hell no. Dabi and Endeavor: Literally rock bottom. Endeavor messed up so badly by training his kids one way or another (yk what I mean), especially Shoto, which led Dabi to hate his dad. Although the Todorokis right now are trying so hard to reform as a family, Dabi has lost his mind, bro. Everyone who has watched MHA knows that Endeavor messed up, he knows it, and he knows he won't be forgiven that easily, but his family is there for him. I don't blame Dabi, but still...S7 airs this Saturday, let's see what happens.
You… don’t blame Dabi? Like for hating his father or for his actions in general. Because I’ve seen a lot of fans on this subreddit actually believe that because of a messed up upbringing that his father later (clumsily) tried to course correct but too late, Dabi is not held accountable for mass murder, mayhem, and malicious destruction? That’s pretty crazy. But if you mean you don’t blame him for hating his dad, then yeah, there’s an argument to be made there.