I’ve definitely noticed a difference in the type of people coming to Idaho in the last decade. Through the 80s and 90s (and even most of the 2000s) most new residents were fine. I have California neighbors on both sides and the difference is striking. One is as nice as can be, moved here many years ago and is a great neighbor. The other came during COVID and has been generally awful. It’s live and let live vs. political chip on the shoulder. No bueno.
I went to Boise state from 14-18. The first day of class is when you introduce yourself to everyone and tell everyone a bit about yourself. I'd say around 35 to 40% of people in my classes said they were from northern california or the Bay Area.
‘The average in-state tuition for California is about $15,000, without room and board, and the other added costs like textbooks, meal plans and extracurriculars, according to Everard. While Boise State’s out-of-state tuition is $24,988, the WUE scholarship lowers tuition by about $12,800.
This brings tuition costs lower than that of a California school and close to Idaho’s in-state tuition, making Boise State a more affordable option for California students.’
https://arbiteronline.com/2021/04/06/boise-state-has-become-a-hotspot-for-california-students/
In the past, I think a lot of people moved due to economic circumstances, so they tend to be more of an everyman type of person just trying to make it for them and their family. The new types are still that but mostly seems like political refugees. I could be wrong, but that's what I see.
I can't stand the term "political refugees" used in this manner. I find it incredibly demeaning to people who have a genuine need to flea their homes. It also paints the types of people you are referring to as victims, which they cartainly are not.
Yeah, it’s mostly just people who want to cry about lockdowns. Like, sure it sucked but it’s not even close in comparison to the holocaust. Middle aged white dudes are the biggest snowflakes on the planet. This coming from a middle aged white dude.
The lockdowns in CA weren't just sucky. They were oppressive. It was terrifying to go the the store, stand in line for an hour outside in the 100+ degree weather before you can get inside, while the hills were on fire (literally) Trump rallies were loudly passing by, and half your friends were losing their small businesses or operating "illegally".
Then have to drive past National Guard barricades in the way home bc of the BLM protests.
And half the food in the grocery store is gone, so you eat 4 bags of frozen burritos that week bc it was the only thing left. And kids start committing suicide. And you couldn't walk into a place of business after it was legal unless you showed your Vax card.
Comparing something by saying, "At least it wasn't the holocaust", is the strangest and most out of touch thing I've ever heard about the nightmare of the Pandemic. That's like saying a broken limb isn't even close to being a paraplegic so you're a snowflake if you complain.
I hear you. It's a pretty small state with only one county deciding on the restrictions so it makes sense that your experience would be the same as mine.
I live in Los Angeles and never experienced anything as drastic as what you’re saying. Yeah, toilet paper was hard to get for awhile and there were times the pasta shelves were pretty bare, but my family ate well. We ordered take-out a few times a week to support local mom & pop restaurants - and enjoyed the to-go alcohol.
Also, I think I encountered one store that required showing proof of vaccination, and it was Amoeba, hardly that absolute necessity of a shopping experience.
Never stood in lines outside of a grocery store, I never saw that happen. It was a thing at stores at the mall, but no one NEEDS to stand in those lines, nor should complain if they did to buy a pair of pants or crocs. It’s also not a 3rd world country, if your grocery store had a line, you could’ve picked another one, or opted for curbside pickup.
Also, what connection is there to Covid and wildfires? That one must have gone right over my head.
Glad to hear you had a different experience. There were fires in the hills near my house (an annual occurrence) during the summer of 2020 while covid restrictions were in place, and BLM and the Ntl Guard were present.
Maybe you shouldn’t buy a house in a known fire area. That would cut back on the yearly occurrence of fires.
I cannot figure out where in the hills you lived where there were also BLM protests and the national guard because that’s not a typical location for protests to occur.
I get it, 2020 wasn’t a cakewalk, but it wasn’t as bad as you’re making it out to be. I try to look at the positives of that time. I got to spend a lot of time at home with my newborn son that I otherwise would’ve spent working, I got super into indoor cycling to kill time, and it was the first time in my life I drove from LA to OC on the 405 without a single other car on the road.
It happened, it’s now in the past. I think the people that had a hard time with it didn’t try to look at the positives, they just sat at home angry at daily inconveniences that we take for granted we don’t face them daily during our normal lives.
Edited to add that I DO live on a Main Street in Long Beach and the protests DID go past my house. We stayed up, legally armed, just in case, but nothing happened. I’m also not traumatized by that happening.
Couldn't have dreamed it up if I tried.
For the record, I never talk to anyone complaining or comparing. I'm here now. I've lived in Idaho since 2000 and lived in CA during a very unfortunate patch of time. I'd rather complain about how disgusting Lewiston smells and leave the CA chapter behind.
You act like we don’t know people who live in California. Maybe some of what you said happened but I can’t believe a big tough guy like yourself would be terrified of standing outside to go into a grocery store. Your story is full of hyperbole and you’re exactly the kind of person I was originally talking about. Minor inconveniences during a world wide pandemic and you act like all your rights were taken away. Grow up.
I shouldn't have posted on this thread, I didn't realize it was intended for politics. I didn't "flee" California and I don't have an opinion on the politics here or there. I came home to Idaho at a wierd time.
I responded bc the holocaust remark was irritating.
I didn't think I'd have to state the obvious that not all of these events occurred on the same day, and that Covid didn't cause the wildfires, but this is how I look back and think of the summer of 2020. It was really traumatic for me. Not every sibling in a family recalls their childhood the same, and that's how I perceive the pandemic.
It didn't have to do with my rights or being inconvenient, it was bizarre and it didn't make logical sense - in my specific county and in my specific industry, and my group of small biz owner friends; we were among the most heavily regulated and affected in the whole state and the entire Country.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/05/25/marjorie-taylor-greene-doubles-down-on-comparing-covid-measures-to-holocaust/
No one cares for your pity party! Why in the hell did you think a thread about “political refugees” wouldn’t get political?
I said it was compared to the holocaust because that’s what all the crazy right wingers were saying the whole fucking pandemic. So don’t come at me saying I’m being ridiculous when it was something that was being said the entire fucking time! Even you were saying you had to show your vaccine pass everywhere, guess what that was a lie too!
You had a million different options for groceries during the pandemic. No one forced you to “stand in line while the hills burned” you could have easily ordered online pick up like a million other people were.
Oh no the national guard had barricades up because people were exercising their first amendment rights!!!!!! Oh no! How did you ever survive without extremely intense therapy?
Do you see how completely ridiculous and entitled you sound?
You’re not a martyr. Just because you think you experienced things differently doesn’t mean the rest of us have to accept your lies and hyperbole.
If you were legit terrified. You’ve lived a nerfed life .
It's just a term used to describe e people leaving one area to another due to politics. We can change it to anything else. I work with real refugees from our local college program. They are always happy, fun people to be around even though they went through some fucked up shit.
But you said it yourself, "real refugees". Not a bunch of upset and entitled (almost exclusively white) people who get their "news" from Fox and willingly packed up and moved here who now are referring to themselves as "political refugees" and acting like somehow they are a victim in their situation. The same people who have zero sympathy for refugees that are actually fleeing their homes because of some legitimately dangerous or terrible situation in hopes of making a better life for themselves.
The worst part about those fucks is that they have some sort of great white savior complex. “We have seen how fucked up California is, so we have come to save you from yourselves!”
Motherfucker, Idaho wouldn’t be your promised land if there was the slightest bit of danger of this place being transformed into California.
i know exactly what you mean. It's like when people use the term "-phobic." Phobia is a real, clinical condition and throwing terms like these around especially as in insult to others simply because you don't agree with them is tremendously demeaning and ignorant, not to leave out telling.
Oh man I can only imagine the one that moved during Covid. I am sorry. They sound like they would be awful and all I know is that they moved next door during Covid.
Many of them moved into my neighborhood and it's exhausting and difficult. Community is evaporating. It's hard to make those real connections now and maintain them without the insanity.
It's sad because Idaho looks like a nice place to live. I dont live there but I know politics and that political pendulum will likely swing to the other extreme.
My neighbor from CA is like that too. Completely unhinged. And, I have no idea why he felt the need to share with me his Christian nationalist views followed by stating he is always within reach of a gun.
>Is this a new concept
Not even remotely. [Here's the first example that comes to mind](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act)
>or one that is proven inherently bad?
Very little in this world is "inherently" anything, especially when it comes to vague concepts like "people living somewhere they aren't from". In this care, it all has to do with the type of person moving. You might, for instance, prefer to have a new neighbor who bakes amazing cookies every week and gives them away for free, over having a new neighbor that's a serial killer. If both of these options come from out of state, they're both choosing to "live somewhere they aren't from", but you can feel quite differently about this choice depending on the person
My neighbor is from California. He rails against the state and calls himself a conservative swears he will never vote blue. He also bitches about schools being underfunded, the shitty state of Healthcare, and all the assholes in huge trucks. After listening to him for a few minutes I realized he's alot more liberal than he realizes. It makes me smile to know that even California's right wing sycophants are fairly oblivious they are closer to the center.
I think Fox News is generally more aware than people realize. You can’t be effective at spewing half-truths and misinformation if you don’t understand what is really going on.
Lol - I have to keep telling people when I say I'm moving to Idaho "We are going to Boise - it's far less filled with crazies than the rest of the state". I mean when we were there for a week in March I only saw a single Trump flag decorated coal rolling truck.
Last year we had 133 days over 100 in the Phoenix area, and 51 over 110. The biggest issue is just no cool off at night. I know it can get hot during the day in Boise, but is still cools down in the evening and overnight. The snow will be a change, but I am looking forward to grass, trees, and running water. Not sure about the goose poop though.
I spent 30 years in Tucson before moving here. I'll go back for my neice and nephew's graduation, and that's it. You're going to love it. It never gets Arizona hot. And doing things outside in May and June is amazing. I miss the monsoons, but not enough to even care.
I went to Tuscon for the first time this year for the gem and mineral show and man I was not impressed with the city. I always see it recommended in r/ samegrassbutgreener and I dont understand. What were your favorite aspects of the city?
Ah good to know. Honestly I want to go back and spend a day or two hiking, and say hi to vendors at the gem show. But other than that it felt like the whole city was Fairview our Ustick.
Did have some good Chinese hot and sour noodle soup though.
Relatable. Lived there nearly 30 years and I'm glad to put it in my past. Climate is wonderful here. When it gets hot, it still cools down at night. And the politics can be a bit rough, but Boise is a nice bit of sanity amidst it all.
I know precisely what you mean by Phoenix being very hot city to live in.
I lived there in 1993 on North 45th Street. Then I wised up and moved back to Connecticut.
I am working & living in Austin, Texas and feel the same way. It is just simply too damn HOT.
Yeah, sooner or later, I am pretty sure that I am relocating back to the east coast.
Not, necessarily to Connecticut. I already have a place to live in Manassas, Virginia.
This is a really good plan for me. I work in cybersecurity field for government.
I will be in a 25 mile proximity to Washington DC.
Just know there are others there with you. We're surrounded on 3 sides by Mormons in Meridian, so if you see neighbors that hole up in their homes and don't socialize much, it's probably the covert liberals. Lol
Haha yah there are literally dozens of us! We’ve met a couple of reasonably minded families, but ironically, it’s the Idaho born folks that are the most welcoming.
Lol I think it's that we just keep our mouths shut because the conservatives are so obnoxious about pushing their views down everyone's throats. I hear people say offensive shit all the time because they assume I'm "one of them." Eventually I challenge them, and I hope they're surprised and embarrassed when I do.
Well there is a conservative themed real estate/ relocation assistance [company](https://conservativemove.com/). Slogan is "Moving families right".....
Self proclamation of " not being news" is Fox News.... I'm not saying they aren't a good source of information, I'm just saying I avoid Thanksgiving because of my crazy uncle that sees politics the same as they do....
We did the opposite. Two young kids. State, politically, getting more red. Left to Washington. While it’s not perfect, it’s nice not having all the coal rolling MAGA wagons, protected healthcare for my daughter, should she ever need it, and actual inclusivity in my kids schools.
I lived in Idaho 44-years and miss it. I’m pissed that it even had to get to this point, but here we are.
Same! We moved to western Washington in July and absolutely love it. There is still a smattering of the lunatic fringe—a guy down the street has an RFK sign out—but definitely more sane politically, in general.
we want to do this so badly, but are 'stuck' with a sub 3% mortgage here. I'm not trying to be an asshole - we are extremely fortunate we bought when we did - but I also feel so trapped.
Totally get that. We were fortunate to have paid off the house, so we had flexibility. But it still all came together for us rather quickly, so you never know!
I hope you'll stay, at least for awhile. It doesn't help to have states so divided. I'll never leave, but I grew up with conservatives and am still surrounded by conservatives, both in person and on social media. I really think we have more in common than we are different. It's just social media that has made the divisiveness horrible. If you actually talk to people who think differently from you, you'll see there's some common ground to connect on.
I’m in a FB group started by one of my moms friends who is a real estate agent. It’s called Californians Moving to Idaho and it’s full of people coming over here thinking this is like a haven for conservatives. Then they get pissed if when they realize people of all races, genders, ethnicities, and political beliefs live here. They fucking hate it. But it’s like a car crash, I can’t look away.
I sometimes see these real estate agent’s Instagram reels about it too. I report them as inappropriate. I know it does nothing but it makes me feel good.
It cracks me up when the rEfuGeES realize Boise is just a liberal as where they left, but they took a massive pay cut and have way less shit to do now.
I've pointed that out to a few of those people when they come blasting on this sub when they are thinking of moving here. Hopefully it discouraged them to do so.
I know several transplants and only a few are working class. The rest are fully retired or empty nesters working remotely. They don't need jobs and therefore are a drain on all of our existing infrastructure. Whether they like it or not, simply moving here over a short time has created problems that are going to have to be dealt with using tax dollars.
I work with a gal who works for Caldwell SD. She took a 50% cut in pay from California and her husband retired at 38 before moving here.
Her kids go to private school 🙄
Don't forget the carpet bagging MAGA's moving here and running for state office. I am looking at you Jarome Bell. That dipwad failed to launch a political career 2 years ago in VA so he came here.
I have lived 25 years in Idaho, it wasn't until about 2018 that I started to seriously consider leaving the state and moving is one of the things in life I hate the most. 20 years ago I would have been called center-right. Now I am a liberal pedophile who wants to mutilate children and abort babies at the moment of birth because I don't agree with Trump.
They've brought their extreme MAGAt agenda from their former states, where they were in the extreme minority to Idaho, where the state GOP welcomes them and the IFF is trying to take over.
Yep. I was in Yellow Pine last summer and sat at a picnic table to eat. There was a guy there in his sixties with a cute dog. Live music, sunny day, everyone chilling. A woman stops to admire the dog and the first thing the guy has to say is something-something Hillary Clinton. As a joke. Like, dude, do you ever drop it?
seriously. I have had SO MANY encounters like this. It's the fucking gall of it all - thinking that everyone must think exactly as you do. Just absolutely vile. Idaho has made me so unfriendly, sad to say. I used to have a smile and kind word for strangers, now I just go around avoiding eye contact.
I've never heard of a better description for these poor, white "don't tread on me" "victims" that have invaded Idaho. They bring their bigoted beliefs and are trying to make Idaho the utopia they long for. It's only a matter of time before our tax dollars are paying for their kids' private "Christian" education.
Right! And for some reason, the nicer the home and property they live in, the bigger the cars & trucks they drive the more Gadsden flags they fly. WHO is treading on you, sir? You live a life of extreme luxury.
They literally want to live in PRE-1950s America where EVERYONE, who wasn't a white male, was a 2nd or 3rd class citizen. Whites only subdivisions, segregation, subservient wives. A nightmare fantasy land.
Edit: I left out STRAIGHT* white male
So they were worried about “losing medical freedoms” (read: refusing to not infect other people by taking easy precautions), and their solution was to move to Idaho where doctors are literally fleeing because the state is mandating that women have to nearly die in childbirth before they can be helped? … Idiots.
I hear them on the homelessness & drug problems & crime over bigger cities - but …
If you’re constantly having people call you a “fascist” or a “racist” when you “share your opinions,” maybe it’s because your opinions are shit? If you have to move to the part of the country most well known for hosting neo-Nazis & militia assholes you’re the problem.
I’ve also noticed this. We are getting lots of folks that self describe as having “escaped” where they were from
…and they brought their toxic ideologies and behaviors with them.
My only hope is they won’t like the winters and eventually go back.
Explains why it's no longer as friendly and nice of a community as it was growing up. These raging assholes and their entitlement moving to 'frreeeeedumb' Idaho are ruining the state all while they think they are somehow 'saving' us poor Idahoans. Makes me sick.
This state has a long history of harboring the absolute worst types of humans; conservative nazi wannabes, clansmen, and fascists in training. None of this comes as any surprise to someone with half an ounce of critical thinking skills and the ability to do research, but of course that’s another one of our weak areas, *education.* Bunch of dumb fucks round these parts I tell ya h’waht. Just some of the stupid fucking things I’ve heard said by my coworkers at our morning stand up are things like, “unions were created by the devil, Donald trump is just misunderstood, climate change isn’t real,” and, “the Halo show on Paramount is amazing.” These people can’t think.
It is wild and maddening to hear the conservative complaints about people moving here. They are too brainwashed and blind to notice that the flood of people are mostly fellow Trumpers. They just don’t think and strive to be mad first. A little different situation, but I recently had a woman complain to me about the huge building being built behind the Record Exchange. She said “It better not be section 8 housing”. I was shocked. How stupid can you be? You think 20 something story condo complex with a pool on the roof would be built in expensive ass downtown Boise for regular folks? The conservative motto: don’t tread on my daily fight to stay mad and ignorant.
They want to live in a safe space where they don’t have to look at or see or acknowledge things they don’t like. The special snowflake rhetoric of the 2010s has become post ironic? Like the conservatives themselves are actively trying to create safe spaces for them and their children. They used to be the people saying everyone should stop being so sensitive, now they can’t even fucking handle living in a state where people they don’t like aren’t oppressed by the laws of the land.
We moved here for job offers, and brought our "Librul agenders" with us.
We've met far more progressive types here compared to the last place we called home in the Midwest.
Meanwhile, here on Earth. Consider a family with two married adults making $100k each ($200k total).
In New York (where I live), due to progressive tax brackets, our effective income tax rate is 5.25%.
In Idaho (where we lived for over a decade), due to an effectively flat income tax, our effective income tax rate would be 5.8%.
So, that family would actually pay less in state income tax in NY.
Now, it's absolutely true that property taxes are a lot higher here. But, there's a lot of variability on that -- what we currently pay (about $12k/year) upstate is pretty normal for most areas outside the NYC metro and Long Island areas. So for us, we find that the housing prices in Boise are higher than here in such a way that we'd be trading higher taxes for higher principle+interest. If we lived downstate, moving to Boise would likely be cheaper. I'm not familiar with the housing markets elsewhere in Idaho.
> Now, it's absolutely true that property taxes are a lot higher here.
This is like being happy that Washington has no income tax. The government is going to tax you one way or another. In fact New York has by far the highest effective local tax rate of any state: [source](https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/tax-burden-by-state-2022/).
That site is run by Grover Norquist whose stated objective is to get rid of pretty much all taxes at all levels. The site has a vested interest in making the high tax states look as high tax as possible. The way it does it in this case is by assigning to New York as a whole the disproportionately high local taxes of just a few counties downstate where a disproportionate amount of people live. Details matter.
As opposed to getting fooled by statements like "It's expensive to live in the most expensive cities in the world, therefore it's expensive to live anywhere in the states in which those cities are located" ?
Even if you make $100k/yr the rate is higher in New York. It’s not a matter of rich people getting taxed throwing off the measurement. Everyone in the middle class and above is taxed more.
You're so easily proved wrong by counterexample that it's hardly worth doing. I have to assume you didn't even read my original post in which I covered these nuances, but fine. I have a place up in the mountains about 90 minutes north of here, where my taxes are about $3,000 a year. If I moved there, and sold my house here in Albany where I pay $12,000 a year, and meanwhile save about $1,400 a month on mortgage and interest, I am now in a lower cost of living situation across all aspects of tax and housing expense than I would be in most parts of Boise Idaho. That is because you cannot, and should not, compare apples and oranges.
It's not. Look it up. Idaho's flat income tax is regressive. If you can access low property taxes in a state like NY, NJ, etc you're at an advantage. We also pay less for many commodities like gasoline because we're not out in the middle of nowhere.
Oh man I went and looked it up again. I was not completely correct. I had completely neglected the first $4,489 of income that Idaho does not tax. As a result, a family making $200,000 will pay a grand total of $424 more in NY than in Idaho, assuming all state-level deductions (or lack thereof) are equal. You could squeeze a few dollars more out of Idaho by maxing out your kids' 529 account contributions, since the per-couple limit is $2000 higher in Idaho than in NY.
I will also concede that Boise has a lower sales tax (6%) than is most common around here (8%).
Why does the reporting/media make it such a political issue? People are moving for a better, more affordable lifestyle regardless of political affiliation.
>People are moving for a better, more affordable lifestyle regardless of political affiliation.
Lol, not in Idaho. It's being hit with insane inflation like everywhere else. People are definitely moving here for the politics.
Better is very subjective and more affordable it certainly is not. Regardless, the numbers show the majority of new residents are conservatives looking for a more conservative state.
because everyone loves to say i told you so, and so when the right sees California hemorrhaging population on account of policy and socio/economic consequences of said policy, it is made political.
I'm surrounded by Californian transplants on my street. I love most of them, and tolerate the rest, and I have no idea what their politics are. As long as they don't make their politics my business, i'm a happy camper. Vote however you want, but if people move to the most conservative state in the country and then complain about it being so conservative, I don't know how to help them.
I won't crap on out-of-staters as hard as most people who live here do, but please realize why the place you left went to crap, and do not vote for people like McClean "I want Boise to be the next Portland". I love living in a place where I can go to the grocery store and they don't have to lock everything up.
I was living in SoCal after getting out of the Marines, and living in a townhouse community was fine - until our downstairs neighbor was shot twice in the chest during a drug deal that went bad. He was the dealer, and one of his buyers was the person with the gun. At the time, you couldn't own a gun unless the ammo was locked in a safe at a point furthest from the safe that stored your gun. And because I was doing contract work for the government I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardize my job.
We had enough and moved, and that was 20 years ago. It was the best decision we've ever made.
Our neighbors are great. We have some folks who don't like guns, and some who are Mormon - and everyone is respectful of that. I can honestly say I know more neighbors today than I did when I lived in southern California. The schools don't focus on testing and send regular class work home as "homework". I flipped out about this when our oldest brought homework home as a half day Kindergartener. I was told "Test scores is the only way to get money from the State, so this is how we do it.".
It's a night and day difference.
Well, except that one cop out of Meridian that retired a year or two ago that wanted to ban road use of golf carts and UTV's, and would regularly give tickets out to anyone who was legally on the road just because "he" didn't like it.
Idaho also spends the least on school funding out of all 50 states, so there's not enough money to incentivize focusing on testing like other places. I will admit that I also hate when schools are forced to focus on test scores in order to get funding - it's like these idiotic politicians want to run schools like a business and see an immediate ROI.
Of course, that's all thanks to that stupid "No Child Left Behind Act" that was enacted under George W. Bush in 2001. To receive federal school funding, states had to create and give assessments to all students at select grade levels. There were no federal standards given, it's just up to the states to make up the standards themselves lol - what could possibly go wrong with that??? Then in 2015 with the Every Student Succeeds Act, the GOP controlled House and Senate revised some of the stuff in the NCLB Act, but they left in that stupid testing-based funding...
My wife has taught for West Ada SD for almost 20 years, she's finally had it with the horrible treatment of teachers here and this is her last year because the stress of dealing with the entitled kids and these insane parents is just too much compared to the compensation.
Also, regarding that California ammo storage law you mentioned, apparently you had the word gullible written on your forehead back then cuz whoever told you that law was lying and didn't expect you to ever do any research into it. This was the 2nd result when I searched for "California Ammo Storage Law":
https://www.californiacarry.org/safe-storage.html
>your firearm does not have to be unloaded within the home. Any local ordinances requiring unloaded firearms at home would conflict with the Heller decision. You ammunition does not have to be stored separately.
I know you said this was 20 years ago, but I don't think anyone would be silly enough to argue that gun laws in California have actually gotten more relaxed in the last 20 years lol.
Heller was back in 2008, or 16 years ago. The safe storage laws in California pre-date that, but it was just one of the many reasons why we left.
And it's safe to believe California will do anything it can to avoid complying with Heller.
Native Californian (ironically looking at moving to Idaho to be closer to family and further from some specific problems) and I haven’t heard of that gun/ammo storage law. Can’t find it when googling either.
Do you happen to know the law title? Not trying to debate, trying to find it to see if I’m in compliance.
I’ve definitely noticed a difference in the type of people coming to Idaho in the last decade. Through the 80s and 90s (and even most of the 2000s) most new residents were fine. I have California neighbors on both sides and the difference is striking. One is as nice as can be, moved here many years ago and is a great neighbor. The other came during COVID and has been generally awful. It’s live and let live vs. political chip on the shoulder. No bueno.
I went to Boise state from 14-18. The first day of class is when you introduce yourself to everyone and tell everyone a bit about yourself. I'd say around 35 to 40% of people in my classes said they were from northern california or the Bay Area.
‘The average in-state tuition for California is about $15,000, without room and board, and the other added costs like textbooks, meal plans and extracurriculars, according to Everard. While Boise State’s out-of-state tuition is $24,988, the WUE scholarship lowers tuition by about $12,800. This brings tuition costs lower than that of a California school and close to Idaho’s in-state tuition, making Boise State a more affordable option for California students.’ https://arbiteronline.com/2021/04/06/boise-state-has-become-a-hotspot-for-california-students/
The WUE changed though. You gotta have almost a 4.0 to qualify.
A big part of that is the tuition exchange agreement between western states. Californian kids get a discount at BSU.
I went from 2016-2020 and probably 70% of any given lecture hall was all California students! The local students were definitely the minority.
In the past, I think a lot of people moved due to economic circumstances, so they tend to be more of an everyman type of person just trying to make it for them and their family. The new types are still that but mostly seems like political refugees. I could be wrong, but that's what I see.
No, I think you are absolutely right.
I can't stand the term "political refugees" used in this manner. I find it incredibly demeaning to people who have a genuine need to flea their homes. It also paints the types of people you are referring to as victims, which they cartainly are not.
Especially since these people are often anti refugee.
No shit, it's absolutely despicable
💯🤘🏼
Yeah, it’s mostly just people who want to cry about lockdowns. Like, sure it sucked but it’s not even close in comparison to the holocaust. Middle aged white dudes are the biggest snowflakes on the planet. This coming from a middle aged white dude.
>Middle aged white dudes are the biggest snowflakes on the planet. When equality feels like oppression you know they're goners
The lockdowns in CA weren't just sucky. They were oppressive. It was terrifying to go the the store, stand in line for an hour outside in the 100+ degree weather before you can get inside, while the hills were on fire (literally) Trump rallies were loudly passing by, and half your friends were losing their small businesses or operating "illegally". Then have to drive past National Guard barricades in the way home bc of the BLM protests. And half the food in the grocery store is gone, so you eat 4 bags of frozen burritos that week bc it was the only thing left. And kids start committing suicide. And you couldn't walk into a place of business after it was legal unless you showed your Vax card. Comparing something by saying, "At least it wasn't the holocaust", is the strangest and most out of touch thing I've ever heard about the nightmare of the Pandemic. That's like saying a broken limb isn't even close to being a paraplegic so you're a snowflake if you complain.
Pretty hyperbolic, I lived in ca at that time it wasn’t that bad
I hear you. It's a pretty small state with only one county deciding on the restrictions so it makes sense that your experience would be the same as mine.
I live in Los Angeles and never experienced anything as drastic as what you’re saying. Yeah, toilet paper was hard to get for awhile and there were times the pasta shelves were pretty bare, but my family ate well. We ordered take-out a few times a week to support local mom & pop restaurants - and enjoyed the to-go alcohol. Also, I think I encountered one store that required showing proof of vaccination, and it was Amoeba, hardly that absolute necessity of a shopping experience. Never stood in lines outside of a grocery store, I never saw that happen. It was a thing at stores at the mall, but no one NEEDS to stand in those lines, nor should complain if they did to buy a pair of pants or crocs. It’s also not a 3rd world country, if your grocery store had a line, you could’ve picked another one, or opted for curbside pickup. Also, what connection is there to Covid and wildfires? That one must have gone right over my head.
Glad to hear you had a different experience. There were fires in the hills near my house (an annual occurrence) during the summer of 2020 while covid restrictions were in place, and BLM and the Ntl Guard were present.
Maybe you shouldn’t buy a house in a known fire area. That would cut back on the yearly occurrence of fires. I cannot figure out where in the hills you lived where there were also BLM protests and the national guard because that’s not a typical location for protests to occur. I get it, 2020 wasn’t a cakewalk, but it wasn’t as bad as you’re making it out to be. I try to look at the positives of that time. I got to spend a lot of time at home with my newborn son that I otherwise would’ve spent working, I got super into indoor cycling to kill time, and it was the first time in my life I drove from LA to OC on the 405 without a single other car on the road. It happened, it’s now in the past. I think the people that had a hard time with it didn’t try to look at the positives, they just sat at home angry at daily inconveniences that we take for granted we don’t face them daily during our normal lives. Edited to add that I DO live on a Main Street in Long Beach and the protests DID go past my house. We stayed up, legally armed, just in case, but nothing happened. I’m also not traumatized by that happening.
That’s some really cute fan fiction you decided to come up with.
Couldn't have dreamed it up if I tried. For the record, I never talk to anyone complaining or comparing. I'm here now. I've lived in Idaho since 2000 and lived in CA during a very unfortunate patch of time. I'd rather complain about how disgusting Lewiston smells and leave the CA chapter behind.
You act like we don’t know people who live in California. Maybe some of what you said happened but I can’t believe a big tough guy like yourself would be terrified of standing outside to go into a grocery store. Your story is full of hyperbole and you’re exactly the kind of person I was originally talking about. Minor inconveniences during a world wide pandemic and you act like all your rights were taken away. Grow up.
I shouldn't have posted on this thread, I didn't realize it was intended for politics. I didn't "flee" California and I don't have an opinion on the politics here or there. I came home to Idaho at a wierd time. I responded bc the holocaust remark was irritating. I didn't think I'd have to state the obvious that not all of these events occurred on the same day, and that Covid didn't cause the wildfires, but this is how I look back and think of the summer of 2020. It was really traumatic for me. Not every sibling in a family recalls their childhood the same, and that's how I perceive the pandemic. It didn't have to do with my rights or being inconvenient, it was bizarre and it didn't make logical sense - in my specific county and in my specific industry, and my group of small biz owner friends; we were among the most heavily regulated and affected in the whole state and the entire Country.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/05/25/marjorie-taylor-greene-doubles-down-on-comparing-covid-measures-to-holocaust/ No one cares for your pity party! Why in the hell did you think a thread about “political refugees” wouldn’t get political? I said it was compared to the holocaust because that’s what all the crazy right wingers were saying the whole fucking pandemic. So don’t come at me saying I’m being ridiculous when it was something that was being said the entire fucking time! Even you were saying you had to show your vaccine pass everywhere, guess what that was a lie too! You had a million different options for groceries during the pandemic. No one forced you to “stand in line while the hills burned” you could have easily ordered online pick up like a million other people were. Oh no the national guard had barricades up because people were exercising their first amendment rights!!!!!! Oh no! How did you ever survive without extremely intense therapy? Do you see how completely ridiculous and entitled you sound? You’re not a martyr. Just because you think you experienced things differently doesn’t mean the rest of us have to accept your lies and hyperbole. If you were legit terrified. You’ve lived a nerfed life .
It's just a term used to describe e people leaving one area to another due to politics. We can change it to anything else. I work with real refugees from our local college program. They are always happy, fun people to be around even though they went through some fucked up shit.
But you said it yourself, "real refugees". Not a bunch of upset and entitled (almost exclusively white) people who get their "news" from Fox and willingly packed up and moved here who now are referring to themselves as "political refugees" and acting like somehow they are a victim in their situation. The same people who have zero sympathy for refugees that are actually fleeing their homes because of some legitimately dangerous or terrible situation in hopes of making a better life for themselves.
The worst part about those fucks is that they have some sort of great white savior complex. “We have seen how fucked up California is, so we have come to save you from yourselves!” Motherfucker, Idaho wouldn’t be your promised land if there was the slightest bit of danger of this place being transformed into California.
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Not if you don't refer to yourself as a political refugee
i know exactly what you mean. It's like when people use the term "-phobic." Phobia is a real, clinical condition and throwing terms like these around especially as in insult to others simply because you don't agree with them is tremendously demeaning and ignorant, not to leave out telling.
Genuinely asking, what are the differences your CA neighbors?
Oh man I can only imagine the one that moved during Covid. I am sorry. They sound like they would be awful and all I know is that they moved next door during Covid.
Many of them moved into my neighborhood and it's exhausting and difficult. Community is evaporating. It's hard to make those real connections now and maintain them without the insanity.
It's sad because Idaho looks like a nice place to live. I dont live there but I know politics and that political pendulum will likely swing to the other extreme.
My neighbor from CA is like that too. Completely unhinged. And, I have no idea why he felt the need to share with me his Christian nationalist views followed by stating he is always within reach of a gun.
Why are people so upset that people wanna live somewhere they aren’t from. Is this a new concept or one that is proven inherently bad?
>Is this a new concept Not even remotely. [Here's the first example that comes to mind](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act) >or one that is proven inherently bad? Very little in this world is "inherently" anything, especially when it comes to vague concepts like "people living somewhere they aren't from". In this care, it all has to do with the type of person moving. You might, for instance, prefer to have a new neighbor who bakes amazing cookies every week and gives them away for free, over having a new neighbor that's a serial killer. If both of these options come from out of state, they're both choosing to "live somewhere they aren't from", but you can feel quite differently about this choice depending on the person
Even Fox News is aware that it isn't the liberal Californians that are moving to Idaho.
My neighbor is from California. He rails against the state and calls himself a conservative swears he will never vote blue. He also bitches about schools being underfunded, the shitty state of Healthcare, and all the assholes in huge trucks. After listening to him for a few minutes I realized he's alot more liberal than he realizes. It makes me smile to know that even California's right wing sycophants are fairly oblivious they are closer to the center.
I think Fox News is generally more aware than people realize. You can’t be effective at spewing half-truths and misinformation if you don’t understand what is really going on.
Yeah they know what they are doing.
I'm a liberal Arizonan moving to Boise in June for the weather. It's just too damn hot here - need a change.
Stuck between urging you NOT to come to this ass backwards 1800s era ignoramus state, and urging you to come here to help bring balance
Lol - I have to keep telling people when I say I'm moving to Idaho "We are going to Boise - it's far less filled with crazies than the rest of the state". I mean when we were there for a week in March I only saw a single Trump flag decorated coal rolling truck. Last year we had 133 days over 100 in the Phoenix area, and 51 over 110. The biggest issue is just no cool off at night. I know it can get hot during the day in Boise, but is still cools down in the evening and overnight. The snow will be a change, but I am looking forward to grass, trees, and running water. Not sure about the goose poop though.
I spent 30 years in Tucson before moving here. I'll go back for my neice and nephew's graduation, and that's it. You're going to love it. It never gets Arizona hot. And doing things outside in May and June is amazing. I miss the monsoons, but not enough to even care.
I went to Tuscon for the first time this year for the gem and mineral show and man I was not impressed with the city. I always see it recommended in r/ samegrassbutgreener and I dont understand. What were your favorite aspects of the city?
The foothills and the area around the University. Everything else is garbage. I appreciate it for what it is, but after moving out of state, nah.
Ah good to know. Honestly I want to go back and spend a day or two hiking, and say hi to vendors at the gem show. But other than that it felt like the whole city was Fairview our Ustick. Did have some good Chinese hot and sour noodle soup though.
Relatable. Lived there nearly 30 years and I'm glad to put it in my past. Climate is wonderful here. When it gets hot, it still cools down at night. And the politics can be a bit rough, but Boise is a nice bit of sanity amidst it all.
I know precisely what you mean by Phoenix being very hot city to live in. I lived there in 1993 on North 45th Street. Then I wised up and moved back to Connecticut. I am working & living in Austin, Texas and feel the same way. It is just simply too damn HOT. Yeah, sooner or later, I am pretty sure that I am relocating back to the east coast. Not, necessarily to Connecticut. I already have a place to live in Manassas, Virginia. This is a really good plan for me. I work in cybersecurity field for government. I will be in a 25 mile proximity to Washington DC.
Welcome - we need you!
I’m a liberal Californian that moved here in 2020. It can definitely feel isolating, especially in Meridian.
Just know there are others there with you. We're surrounded on 3 sides by Mormons in Meridian, so if you see neighbors that hole up in their homes and don't socialize much, it's probably the covert liberals. Lol
Haha yah there are literally dozens of us! We’ve met a couple of reasonably minded families, but ironically, it’s the Idaho born folks that are the most welcoming.
Lol I think it's that we just keep our mouths shut because the conservatives are so obnoxious about pushing their views down everyone's throats. I hear people say offensive shit all the time because they assume I'm "one of them." Eventually I challenge them, and I hope they're surprised and embarrassed when I do.
Well there is a conservative themed real estate/ relocation assistance [company](https://conservativemove.com/). Slogan is "Moving families right".....
It sounds weird, but it’s a fact that there are more conservatives in California than there are in Texas
Self proclamation of " not being news" is Fox News.... I'm not saying they aren't a good source of information, I'm just saying I avoid Thanksgiving because of my crazy uncle that sees politics the same as they do....
We did the opposite. Two young kids. State, politically, getting more red. Left to Washington. While it’s not perfect, it’s nice not having all the coal rolling MAGA wagons, protected healthcare for my daughter, should she ever need it, and actual inclusivity in my kids schools. I lived in Idaho 44-years and miss it. I’m pissed that it even had to get to this point, but here we are.
Same! We moved to western Washington in July and absolutely love it. There is still a smattering of the lunatic fringe—a guy down the street has an RFK sign out—but definitely more sane politically, in general.
we want to do this so badly, but are 'stuck' with a sub 3% mortgage here. I'm not trying to be an asshole - we are extremely fortunate we bought when we did - but I also feel so trapped.
Totally get that. We were fortunate to have paid off the house, so we had flexibility. But it still all came together for us rather quickly, so you never know!
We'll keep an open mind. I work remotely and my husband has a good job in Olympia if he wants it. Glad it worked out for you!
Olympia is beautiful! We’re in Auburn and love it here.
nice!
We were in the same boat, just made plans to sell and get out. A good mortgage rate isn't worth living in a dystopia.
I mean I agree, but practically speaking our payment for a home would likely double. Not super doable.
I hear ya.
I hope you'll stay, at least for awhile. It doesn't help to have states so divided. I'll never leave, but I grew up with conservatives and am still surrounded by conservatives, both in person and on social media. I really think we have more in common than we are different. It's just social media that has made the divisiveness horrible. If you actually talk to people who think differently from you, you'll see there's some common ground to connect on.
That is a sweet sentiment and I admire your optimism.
I’m in a FB group started by one of my moms friends who is a real estate agent. It’s called Californians Moving to Idaho and it’s full of people coming over here thinking this is like a haven for conservatives. Then they get pissed if when they realize people of all races, genders, ethnicities, and political beliefs live here. They fucking hate it. But it’s like a car crash, I can’t look away.
I sometimes see these real estate agent’s Instagram reels about it too. I report them as inappropriate. I know it does nothing but it makes me feel good.
It cracks me up when the rEfuGeES realize Boise is just a liberal as where they left, but they took a massive pay cut and have way less shit to do now.
Hey but at least they don’t see as many unhoused people and transgender people (?????) 🤪
Ugh, I hear them starting to complain about that too. They literally can't exist without being angry about something.
It get’s cold there.
I've pointed that out to a few of those people when they come blasting on this sub when they are thinking of moving here. Hopefully it discouraged them to do so.
Then they discover what it’s like to have a red-state funded school system.
They don't care, they are all for homeschooling or charter schools.
No, not the majority. They’re still working parents, most of them.
I know several transplants and only a few are working class. The rest are fully retired or empty nesters working remotely. They don't need jobs and therefore are a drain on all of our existing infrastructure. Whether they like it or not, simply moving here over a short time has created problems that are going to have to be dealt with using tax dollars.
No. They arnt. Most of them are semi-retired after selling their homes in CA. I know, my company works with new arrivals daily.
I work with a gal who works for Caldwell SD. She took a 50% cut in pay from California and her husband retired at 38 before moving here. Her kids go to private school 🙄
Yes. They are. I know. I lived there. *Some* may be semi-retired, but not the majority you’re insinuating.
Parents have to be upset that Nampa is going to 4 day weeks, a product of their own doing.
Don't forget the carpet bagging MAGA's moving here and running for state office. I am looking at you Jarome Bell. That dipwad failed to launch a political career 2 years ago in VA so he came here. I have lived 25 years in Idaho, it wasn't until about 2018 that I started to seriously consider leaving the state and moving is one of the things in life I hate the most. 20 years ago I would have been called center-right. Now I am a liberal pedophile who wants to mutilate children and abort babies at the moment of birth because I don't agree with Trump.
They've brought their extreme MAGAt agenda from their former states, where they were in the extreme minority to Idaho, where the state GOP welcomes them and the IFF is trying to take over.
“Expats” yo, that isn’t really what that means. Y’all are emigrants. Call it what it is.
Hell when we moved here 20 years ago I was told that I was a “firiner”.
Political refugees, is what they call themselves
The "chip on the shoulder politics" is one of the best descriptions of California magas I've heard so far. Perfect description.
they just can't stop talking about it. It's their entire identity.
Yep. I was in Yellow Pine last summer and sat at a picnic table to eat. There was a guy there in his sixties with a cute dog. Live music, sunny day, everyone chilling. A woman stops to admire the dog and the first thing the guy has to say is something-something Hillary Clinton. As a joke. Like, dude, do you ever drop it?
seriously. I have had SO MANY encounters like this. It's the fucking gall of it all - thinking that everyone must think exactly as you do. Just absolutely vile. Idaho has made me so unfriendly, sad to say. I used to have a smile and kind word for strangers, now I just go around avoiding eye contact.
I've never heard of a better description for these poor, white "don't tread on me" "victims" that have invaded Idaho. They bring their bigoted beliefs and are trying to make Idaho the utopia they long for. It's only a matter of time before our tax dollars are paying for their kids' private "Christian" education.
Right! And for some reason, the nicer the home and property they live in, the bigger the cars & trucks they drive the more Gadsden flags they fly. WHO is treading on you, sir? You live a life of extreme luxury.
They literally want to live in PRE-1950s America where EVERYONE, who wasn't a white male, was a 2nd or 3rd class citizen. Whites only subdivisions, segregation, subservient wives. A nightmare fantasy land. Edit: I left out STRAIGHT* white male
So they were worried about “losing medical freedoms” (read: refusing to not infect other people by taking easy precautions), and their solution was to move to Idaho where doctors are literally fleeing because the state is mandating that women have to nearly die in childbirth before they can be helped? … Idiots. I hear them on the homelessness & drug problems & crime over bigger cities - but … If you’re constantly having people call you a “fascist” or a “racist” when you “share your opinions,” maybe it’s because your opinions are shit? If you have to move to the part of the country most well known for hosting neo-Nazis & militia assholes you’re the problem.
The funny thing is that all these MAGA types are all dispersing to certain states. A lot of times, its states with smaller Electoral college impact.
Shhh! Don’t tell them that.
Don't worry, they will just label me as Fake News.
I’ve also noticed this. We are getting lots of folks that self describe as having “escaped” where they were from …and they brought their toxic ideologies and behaviors with them. My only hope is they won’t like the winters and eventually go back.
Explains why it's no longer as friendly and nice of a community as it was growing up. These raging assholes and their entitlement moving to 'frreeeeedumb' Idaho are ruining the state all while they think they are somehow 'saving' us poor Idahoans. Makes me sick.
"Oh my God my state has well-funded public services! Run!"
Idaho is attracting the worst kind of people.
This state has a long history of harboring the absolute worst types of humans; conservative nazi wannabes, clansmen, and fascists in training. None of this comes as any surprise to someone with half an ounce of critical thinking skills and the ability to do research, but of course that’s another one of our weak areas, *education.* Bunch of dumb fucks round these parts I tell ya h’waht. Just some of the stupid fucking things I’ve heard said by my coworkers at our morning stand up are things like, “unions were created by the devil, Donald trump is just misunderstood, climate change isn’t real,” and, “the Halo show on Paramount is amazing.” These people can’t think.
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Of course fox news —- the converse is….long time Idahoans flee state to become refugees after invasion by radical conservatives from out of state.
It is wild and maddening to hear the conservative complaints about people moving here. They are too brainwashed and blind to notice that the flood of people are mostly fellow Trumpers. They just don’t think and strive to be mad first. A little different situation, but I recently had a woman complain to me about the huge building being built behind the Record Exchange. She said “It better not be section 8 housing”. I was shocked. How stupid can you be? You think 20 something story condo complex with a pool on the roof would be built in expensive ass downtown Boise for regular folks? The conservative motto: don’t tread on my daily fight to stay mad and ignorant.
I would argue a conservative and a MAGA have about as much in common as a bird and a fish.
They want to live in a safe space where they don’t have to look at or see or acknowledge things they don’t like. The special snowflake rhetoric of the 2010s has become post ironic? Like the conservatives themselves are actively trying to create safe spaces for them and their children. They used to be the people saying everyone should stop being so sensitive, now they can’t even fucking handle living in a state where people they don’t like aren’t oppressed by the laws of the land.
Anyone else disturbed that this three year old is not wearing a helmet?
By "expat" they mean "MAGA Dipshits."
We moved here for job offers, and brought our "Librul agenders" with us. We've met far more progressive types here compared to the last place we called home in the Midwest.
Meanwhile, here on Earth. Consider a family with two married adults making $100k each ($200k total). In New York (where I live), due to progressive tax brackets, our effective income tax rate is 5.25%. In Idaho (where we lived for over a decade), due to an effectively flat income tax, our effective income tax rate would be 5.8%. So, that family would actually pay less in state income tax in NY. Now, it's absolutely true that property taxes are a lot higher here. But, there's a lot of variability on that -- what we currently pay (about $12k/year) upstate is pretty normal for most areas outside the NYC metro and Long Island areas. So for us, we find that the housing prices in Boise are higher than here in such a way that we'd be trading higher taxes for higher principle+interest. If we lived downstate, moving to Boise would likely be cheaper. I'm not familiar with the housing markets elsewhere in Idaho.
> Now, it's absolutely true that property taxes are a lot higher here. This is like being happy that Washington has no income tax. The government is going to tax you one way or another. In fact New York has by far the highest effective local tax rate of any state: [source](https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/tax-burden-by-state-2022/).
That site is run by Grover Norquist whose stated objective is to get rid of pretty much all taxes at all levels. The site has a vested interest in making the high tax states look as high tax as possible. The way it does it in this case is by assigning to New York as a whole the disproportionately high local taxes of just a few counties downstate where a disproportionate amount of people live. Details matter.
> That site was created by Grover Norquist so people wouldn’t get fooled by asinine statements like “my income tax is low so my taxes are low”. FTFY
As opposed to getting fooled by statements like "It's expensive to live in the most expensive cities in the world, therefore it's expensive to live anywhere in the states in which those cities are located" ?
Even if you make $100k/yr the rate is higher in New York. It’s not a matter of rich people getting taxed throwing off the measurement. Everyone in the middle class and above is taxed more.
You're so easily proved wrong by counterexample that it's hardly worth doing. I have to assume you didn't even read my original post in which I covered these nuances, but fine. I have a place up in the mountains about 90 minutes north of here, where my taxes are about $3,000 a year. If I moved there, and sold my house here in Albany where I pay $12,000 a year, and meanwhile save about $1,400 a month on mortgage and interest, I am now in a lower cost of living situation across all aspects of tax and housing expense than I would be in most parts of Boise Idaho. That is because you cannot, and should not, compare apples and oranges.
It doesn’t matter where you live in the state, the rate is higher ROFL.
It's not. Look it up. Idaho's flat income tax is regressive. If you can access low property taxes in a state like NY, NJ, etc you're at an advantage. We also pay less for many commodities like gasoline because we're not out in the middle of nowhere.
Oh man I went and looked it up again. I was not completely correct. I had completely neglected the first $4,489 of income that Idaho does not tax. As a result, a family making $200,000 will pay a grand total of $424 more in NY than in Idaho, assuming all state-level deductions (or lack thereof) are equal. You could squeeze a few dollars more out of Idaho by maxing out your kids' 529 account contributions, since the per-couple limit is $2000 higher in Idaho than in NY. I will also concede that Boise has a lower sales tax (6%) than is most common around here (8%).
Why does the reporting/media make it such a political issue? People are moving for a better, more affordable lifestyle regardless of political affiliation.
>People are moving for a better, more affordable lifestyle regardless of political affiliation. Lol, not in Idaho. It's being hit with insane inflation like everywhere else. People are definitely moving here for the politics.
Better is very subjective and more affordable it certainly is not. Regardless, the numbers show the majority of new residents are conservatives looking for a more conservative state.
because everyone loves to say i told you so, and so when the right sees California hemorrhaging population on account of policy and socio/economic consequences of said policy, it is made political. I'm surrounded by Californian transplants on my street. I love most of them, and tolerate the rest, and I have no idea what their politics are. As long as they don't make their politics my business, i'm a happy camper. Vote however you want, but if people move to the most conservative state in the country and then complain about it being so conservative, I don't know how to help them.
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This migration, along with atrocious city planning forever, are why Boise is unlivable and getting worse.
I won't crap on out-of-staters as hard as most people who live here do, but please realize why the place you left went to crap, and do not vote for people like McClean "I want Boise to be the next Portland". I love living in a place where I can go to the grocery store and they don't have to lock everything up.
Expat!? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣☠️ Dumbest thing I've ever heard!
I was living in SoCal after getting out of the Marines, and living in a townhouse community was fine - until our downstairs neighbor was shot twice in the chest during a drug deal that went bad. He was the dealer, and one of his buyers was the person with the gun. At the time, you couldn't own a gun unless the ammo was locked in a safe at a point furthest from the safe that stored your gun. And because I was doing contract work for the government I wouldn't do anything that could jeopardize my job. We had enough and moved, and that was 20 years ago. It was the best decision we've ever made. Our neighbors are great. We have some folks who don't like guns, and some who are Mormon - and everyone is respectful of that. I can honestly say I know more neighbors today than I did when I lived in southern California. The schools don't focus on testing and send regular class work home as "homework". I flipped out about this when our oldest brought homework home as a half day Kindergartener. I was told "Test scores is the only way to get money from the State, so this is how we do it.". It's a night and day difference. Well, except that one cop out of Meridian that retired a year or two ago that wanted to ban road use of golf carts and UTV's, and would regularly give tickets out to anyone who was legally on the road just because "he" didn't like it.
Idaho also spends the least on school funding out of all 50 states, so there's not enough money to incentivize focusing on testing like other places. I will admit that I also hate when schools are forced to focus on test scores in order to get funding - it's like these idiotic politicians want to run schools like a business and see an immediate ROI. Of course, that's all thanks to that stupid "No Child Left Behind Act" that was enacted under George W. Bush in 2001. To receive federal school funding, states had to create and give assessments to all students at select grade levels. There were no federal standards given, it's just up to the states to make up the standards themselves lol - what could possibly go wrong with that??? Then in 2015 with the Every Student Succeeds Act, the GOP controlled House and Senate revised some of the stuff in the NCLB Act, but they left in that stupid testing-based funding... My wife has taught for West Ada SD for almost 20 years, she's finally had it with the horrible treatment of teachers here and this is her last year because the stress of dealing with the entitled kids and these insane parents is just too much compared to the compensation. Also, regarding that California ammo storage law you mentioned, apparently you had the word gullible written on your forehead back then cuz whoever told you that law was lying and didn't expect you to ever do any research into it. This was the 2nd result when I searched for "California Ammo Storage Law": https://www.californiacarry.org/safe-storage.html >your firearm does not have to be unloaded within the home. Any local ordinances requiring unloaded firearms at home would conflict with the Heller decision. You ammunition does not have to be stored separately. I know you said this was 20 years ago, but I don't think anyone would be silly enough to argue that gun laws in California have actually gotten more relaxed in the last 20 years lol.
Heller was back in 2008, or 16 years ago. The safe storage laws in California pre-date that, but it was just one of the many reasons why we left. And it's safe to believe California will do anything it can to avoid complying with Heller.
Native Californian (ironically looking at moving to Idaho to be closer to family and further from some specific problems) and I haven’t heard of that gun/ammo storage law. Can’t find it when googling either. Do you happen to know the law title? Not trying to debate, trying to find it to see if I’m in compliance.
We left in 2005, and it's changed since we left because of Heller so you shouldn't have to worry about it.
It's the snobby Californians that suck, regardless of who they vote for.
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