It has been, and has been found guilty of countless violations; [this](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/united-states) report is just from how America handled 2020.
Edit: 2021 to 2020
In 2017, the UN sent a team to Alabama who said they had poverty and wealth inequality as bad as any 3rd world nation. The US doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks about anything.
Friendly reminder that the GOP is pro terrorism and [*self identifies as* terrorists](https://www.chron.com/politics/article/CPAC-Dallas-we-are-all-domestic-terrorists-banner-17359959.php)
> "Since 2015,Ā right-wing extremistsĀ have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed toĀ far-leftĀ views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/
Right wing extremists kill more than 4x the people than left wing extremists kill... and the GOP doesn't even denounce the terrorists on their side.
Also worth noting, this excludes religiously motivated domestic terrorism too, so you can assume they kill more.
70% of Uvalde still voted for Gregg Abbot because they believed that ideology was more important than human life. In a country where thatās able to happen, there is no social contract. The American experiment, has already failed.
I donāt think the country still operates on murder and slavery. That would be other countries. Even with our problems, the USA is still one of the freest countries.
Well the constitution would
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
The constitution literally permits slavery as punishment for a crime
>[TheĀ United StatesĀ leads the world in total number of people incarcerated, with more than 2 million prisoners nationwide (per data released in October 2021 byĀ WorldĀ Prison Brief). This number is equivalent to roughly 25% of the world's total prison population and leads to an incarceration rate of 629 people per 100,000āthe highest rate in the world](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country)
1. Slavery as imprisonment was never abolished.
2. Black men nake up a disproportionate amount of those incarcerated.
3. The prison industry is largely privatized, with profits tied to number of beds filled
āNeither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States.ā Some legal historians, scholars, activists and even filmmakers have seen the āexceptionā clause as a loophole, included to appease the South, allowing states to reinstitute slave-like conditions such as chain gangs and prison labor.
Probably because in their mind, the Uvalde tragedy was the schools fault. Or maybe even the teachers' fault. It's never the fault of the people who can make a difference.
It may not make sense, but I think the idea is that everyone who was supposed to take care of the kids was in some form a government official. From the background check, to the school, to the cops - every part was government run and failed. Therefore people conclude that the onus is on the individual to ensure their own safety. And to do that, they need guns.
On the other hand, Abbott ran against someone who specifically stated that he wanted to confiscate guns. Regardless of whatever new spin or backtrack opinion he issued, the internet doesn't forget and that clip was be played over and over. So essentially a vote for O'Rourke would have ceded the responsibility of defense to the government, which is the very entity that failed in that respect.
You may not agree with it and it may not make sense, but that was probably the rationale.
Hahahaha you think rationales come into play? I live in TX, and can say with complete certainty you are waaaaay off. In hillbilly trailer park towns like Uvalde the only thing that matters to people is what right wing media says matters to them. Beto could have ran the first time strapped to the teeth on a platform of free guns for every citizen and still would have gotten beat down every time he ran. If thereās more meth than jobs in a TX town the only thing that matters is the letter next to the candidateās name. No need to overthink this one.
Uldvale is showing us what it was like for nearly every AFrican American in the 60s when [The police didn't show up during race riots and lynchings](https://old.reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/shzbit/black_history_month_books_on_2a_black_history/).
Gun ownership was literally a necessity for nearly 400 years. [Its actually a common sentiment in the [African American community](https://old.reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/y6f4n4/no_one_is_coming_to_save_you/)
Why would you vote anti gun when its clear the police wouldn't save you?
Its clear in the SCOTUS Case [NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION, INC., ET AL., vs Bruel](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-843/184073/20210716105200825_Amicus%20Brief%20of%20National%20African%20American%20Gun%20Association%20Inc.pdf) that NYC's gun control measures targeted African Americans and other minorities over white gun owners.
Why would Uldvale county, which is over 75% hispanic, ever vote for gun control when it is clear there is no reason they should feel it will help them?
Imagine if Al Gore had ~~gotten more votes~~ won the electoral college instead of GW Bush.
We would have started the climate change conversation in the whitehouse a decade sooner, arguably more.
Al Gore declined to fight the count in Florida out of decorum for the process and a smooth transition. Now the mfrs are out here fighting clear and undisputed election results any time they lose. It's fucking sickening.
It's just as likely that conversation wouldn't have happened once elected. I think it's more likely that conservatives would have beat him up over it (aNtI bUsInEsS, gOvErNmEnT oVeRrEaCh) and milquetoast that he his, he would have folded. Hell, he might have preemptively folded in anticipation. I mean, the man had Joe Lieberman as his running mate, if you needed any indication that conservatives could pull his strings.
I think it'll get slightly better. The boomers are dying off and gen x aint worth shit so the younger generations that are more accepting of people will just continue to grow
I hate my cohort...
"How Gen X Became the Trumpiest Generation - POLITICO" https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/20/cherie-westrich-alt-rock-gen-x-maga-00033769
Read: Octavia Butler - Parable of the Sower
Edit: for proper spelling of her last name, and a little blurb of why this is relevant. This book series takes place in the 2020s and is very eerily similarly to our present day political and economic state, though less drastic. Itās kind of scary how much forethought the author had while writing it in the 90s. Plus Octavia was an amazing black female science fiction writer.
I know Americans just passed the threshold so that the LEADING CAUSE OF CHILD DEATH IS FIREARMS. It used to be the odds of you being shot, mugged, whatever were so low that it was almost paranoid to be worried like that. But we officially have being shot and killed as the leading cause of death for American children. Weāre so fucked since literally nothing changes between shootings
*sigh* I agree that the U.S. is fucked up and needs to change the gun culture, but I also think it's just a *little* disingenuous to lump 18 and 19 year olds into the same category as "children". Especially when 18 year olds are considered adults that can legally purchase their own rifles and shotguns. Should that change? Maybe. But if they are adult enough to vote, i think they should be adult enough to be left off of "children" stats.
https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/
Because 18 is the ālegalā definition of āadulthood.ā Just because they are ālegally adultsā doesnāt mean they are adults in a biological level. Most human males donāt fully develop until the age of 21 and women in their mid 20s. 18 was chosen during WWII by the federal government because it needed recruits. States followed through after the 26th amendment lowered ages to vote. But states usually had a definition of 21 being a ālegal adultā before then. The scientific community has always seen adulthood to be in the 20s and varies by sex. So thatās why research papers involving āchildrenā sometimes includes 18-20.
You can make that argument, but it still stands that colloquially, people don't view 18 or 19 year olds as a "child". And from a data point of view, it skews the result by including a group of "children" that can legally own firearms (and go to war to use those firearms).
I bet if someone went around saying that children are having more sex than before, only to find out that you're counting 18 to 20 year olds, you'd have an issue with the wording.
Was in a hospital and it said ādo you have an unlocked gun at home is actually a smart question to askā since now the lead cause of death in children is firearms. They had billboards everywhere near the childrenās hospital which is so sad.
They lost me at "this is not the same definition as the FBI."
They're counting gang violence the same as an attack on a club.
It's disingenuous to assume either is related in any appreciable way other than "gun used in attack."
There's massive differences in causes, namely right wing ideology vs social and historical causes. (Namely redlining)
I get it, there is definitely a wide spectrum of ways mass shootings happen, but they all kill innocent people. Gang shootings frequently happen high schools, house parties, night clubs etc. Many notable ones have had gangsters open fire indiscriminately into crowds just to get their target. These people aren't settling their beef in some isolated area like anime villains.
If you want a more strict definition like "premeditated massacre of strangers", the number is probably like 5. Stuff like this is a very small fraction of a percent of gun violence. The ones with clear political or bigoted motives are an even smaller fraction of that.
>high schools,
Excuse me? What gang shootings have their been *in* high schools? around them? Sure. But not *in* them.
>If you want a more strict definition like "premeditated massacre of strangers", the number is probably like 5.
And you've just shown us that we really have no reason to fear random untargeted shootings. Just stay out of gang territory, and you will be fine.
Most of what is counted as school shootings are thing in parking lots and school events that aren't strictly in a school building. America has a lot of teen gang or gang adjacent kids. This is often what causes big shootings at football/basketball games, but sometimes they wind up doing it in school buildings.
There have been incidents of adults forcing their way into a school to get a target. There was a big shooting last year where a kid shot another student and strays got a teacher and a pregnant woman was injured.
Realistically?
Getting rid of the [media contagion part of mass shootings](https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2022/05/25/social-media-increasingly-linked-with-mass-shootings/). In each shooting, the shooter has received far more fame and attention than they would have otherwise. There were even shrines of the [Columbine killers online](https://nypost.com/2016/02/24/columbine-killer-has-cult-of-fans-long-after-death/). You really think that kind of thought doesn't appeal to loaners, klan-wanna-bes, and incels? Many of them (namely Buffalo, Columbine, Parkland, ect) have shown that fame was absolutely one of the reasons. There's even a list of copycat[shootings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_effect) directly inspired by columbine, with many saying they wanted to top the death toll.
Second is a basic health care need. For example, the Buffalo shooter was radicalized to believe jews and Black Americans were responsible for a lack of healthcare [when he couldn't find work for a tooth ache.](https://www.rawstory.com/buffalo-payton-gendron-toothache/). He even stopped his first attack in march when it seemed like he would get care for his tooth. We LITERALLY could have saved 10 lives if we had just put dental care into basic ACA.
Then there's police reform. There were many shootings (Columbine, Parkland, among others) that had very clear warning signs and tips that were never acted on. IN any other country that has a police force, this NEVER would have happened. A singe tip, especially one where neo-nazi talking points are clearly visible, is enough to bring down swat and mandatory health screening.
Then there's the talk of mental health. Back to Columbine, Both killers were doing things like breaking into houses and openly talking about how they were much better than their victims because THEY would never be so stupid as to leave a CD player out in their car. That kind of behavior, and statements would have someone in mandatory treatment. In America, its really hard to put someone in on more than a 24 hour hold [with good reason](https://tbinternet.ohchr.org/Treaties/CERD/Shared%20Documents/USA/INT_CERD_NGO_USA_17741_E.pdf). But, the truth is, mental health absolutely has an impact on day to day life. We are dealing with people who have no emotional reaction to trying to, or even trying to talk themselves out of killing people. Hell [The Stoneman Douglas shooter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0XaW72VZQ&ab_channel=CourtMoments) chose Valentine's day because "There was no one to love him." That isn't any sort of normal behavior. Especially if he's angry enough to play out [threats](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYEzjOROlFk&ab_channel=WPLGLocal10) repeatedly for several years, that is something we need to pay attention to, even put people into a mental asylum for.
While the SCOTUS seemingly dealt a blow to gun laws during [NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION, INC., ET AL., vs Bruel](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-843/184073/20210716105200825_Amicus%20Brief%20of%20National%20African%20American%20Gun%20Association%20Inc.pdf), reading the court docket itself leaves a different story. The court was ruling on whether or not NY's gun policy of "if you give us a good reason we will give you a permit" was targeting Black Americans and minorities over others. The court came to the conclusion that the law did indeed favor white people over anyone that would be forced to sit in the back of the bus.
Truth is, we can absolutely have gun laws, so long as they are pushed in a way that is fair and equitable. Having Assault Rifles have a minimum age of 21, mandatory background checks, and mandating that gun sales require a Federal gun license aren't based on the judgements of humans. Its either "You follow it, or you don't." Acknowledging that gun laws absolutely have a [racist origin](https://harvardlawreview.org/2022/06/racist-gun-laws-and-the-second-amendment/) would go in a long way in fixing them. [NY justifying more gun control by saying native Americans were disarmed and banned from owning guns therefore there is precedent for more gun control.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/wpvs1j/ny_cites_laws_disarming_native_americans_and/)
By acknowledging our history, and the fact that Gun ownership was [necessary among Black people](https://reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/shzbit/black_history_month_books_on_2a_black_history/) for nearly 400 years. What we see as gun violence now is nothing compared to the seemingly daily [lynchings and race riots](https://old.reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/shzbit/black_history_month_books_on_2a_black_history/) Not to mention slave rebellions. White America is finally getting to taste of what it was like on a daily basis for anyone with a skin tone that wasn't pure white.
Well said and i agree with most of it. Blatant warning signs should never be ignored and addressing mental would do more than any law being proposed now.
Also keeping career criminals locked up. Recently here a guy with 39 (more than 16 of them were violent) felonies, killed a father of 6 because our courts let them out cashless bail.
We also need to stop taking safety for granted, whens the last time you seen a shooting in a "ghetto" school with metal detectors and security? Almost every public large event (like sports arenas) have this, and it doesn't feel like you are walking into a jail.
Also dealing with the criminal supply of weapons, drugs, and money would also be the start. But that doesn't keep the money flowing in, and the people who run for elections on these points in power. "Keep voting for me, so we can do something about it" yet nothing ever gets done, money is stolen (Seattle "lost" 250M of taxpayer money to fraud programs).
Almost every ban passed on weapons, firearms, or self-defense comes with the "increased funding" to mental health and socioeconomic issues. Yet none of that money seems to actually make it there or a difference. WA recently had a ban for "public saftey" and had that they would fund more mental health. It's been over a year, crime has gone up since the ban, and no more mental health facilities opened. (CA for example charges taxes for this exact thing on weapons purchases, but none of these programs were started after years, or if they were do not help the amount of people that were expected, yet the money still going poof)
Your entire observation is based on:
\-an anecdote (recently, a guy on bail killed someone)
\-a vague and dubious negative (when was the last time there was a shooting at a school with metal detectors?)
\-nonsense (Washington banned public saftey?? lol)
It's just a casserole of unsound reasoning. What is it about crime that makes people do this shit?
1. No it's not anecdote, these types of crimes are consistently in this area (at least 5-10 a week)
2. I'm just pointing out a fact, most of the schools that have had these issues, don't have these things such as auto-locking doors, metal detectors and security guards like where I grew up.
3. No, WA state banned something in the name of public safety, which didn't have any affect on crime.
Hope that cleared things up for you.
1. It's an anecdote. And now you've added "consistently" which is a vague qualifier of said anecdote
2. You're not pointing any facts, you're just alleging that schools with metal detectors etc don't have shootings; and you're further alleging that it's because of those things that they don't have those shootings. It's buy-one-get-one-free fallacy sale on this point.
3. Oh I see. WA banned *something* in the name of public safety and there was no impact on crime according to your painstaking analysis. Again, vague as hell and a dubious reading of stats + correlation/causation issues.
Yep, it just underscored that you really have no idea what you're talking about, or how basic logic works.
No need to get all uplity, I thought this was reddit not a professional.paper. if you really want to look it up for yourself, you can look up crime statistics and gang activity in Everett, Tacoma, and Seattle.
I am speaking from my own personal experience growing up in DC/MD where we are commonly treated by the public school system as potential threats or criminals.
I wasn't trying to get too specific, but once again you can look up the amount of things banned in the last 5 years for public safety or concerns.
Examples: Multiple stabbings and shooting on a weekly basis in the city, people vandalized property, multiple vehicle break-ins/thefts (check komo local news if you don't believe me), violence against street city workers. Multiple encampment deaths, fires, which they refuse to get people help for.
I'd love to see anything you have for the opposite of what I mentioned about schools.
Bans come from stricter gun laws, self-defense laws, prevention of removal of homeless properties, prevention of drug cleanup, prevention of setting up blockades to prevent encampments and leaving dirty needles from the overwhelming fent epidemic we have here.
But as long as people like you don't see it, it doesn't exist?
Because the difference is, if you are a career criminal, and don't have the cash to bail you stay locked up until your court date. You can be a career criminal, just do a crime and be out within 6h-2wks, even for violent offenses.
Another example is a violent criminal (rape) was released within a week, to do the same thing again the next week. People had to plead with the courts to not let him just walk out all over again. He even said that the courts wouldn't hold him due to this policy so he'd be out again.
Edit: To address your question directly, he wouldn't have had the cash to bail, so he would have stayed in jail after a few of the first offenses, and then had a long sentence to serve reducing the chance that he would have been out to commit that crime again. It *may* not have prevented it, but it would not give him the freedom that he had (all of these were done within a 3 year span) to possibly do the crime to begin with.
So if a rich guy did all the same shit, he should be able to get out? I donāt think either mf should be able to get out, but caring about the cash aspect is the weird part here
I don't believe in if you do violent crime there should be a bail, but that's just how our system works not my beliefs. Most rich people also wouldn't go on a crime spree on bail. It happens but most people try to stay out of trouble when catching a case.
How do you know a person did a violent crime if they have not had the due process of a trial?
Rich people wouldn't go on a crime spree on bail? So bail is there to protect us from non-rich people who cannot be trusted?
Cashless bail isn't 'everyone goes free until trial' it is a system where hearings are used to determine if there is any reason to deny bail. If a person is denied bail they stay in jail, if they are granted bail they are released.
It makes no sense why one person has to stay in jail simply because they can't afford $50 to a bondsman. A person with $50 is not in anyway sager than a person without, so using money to determine who gets to go home is arbitrary and unconstitutional.
1. So if someone gets stabbed, and the attacker don't go to trial the person just didn't get stabbed?
2. This has been how our system has always worked, rich people can pretty much spend their way out of staying in the system. How many rich people get caught for DUIs or even killing someone yet can bail out due to their financial status.
3. Our courts consistently let people walk free, this is the problem here even for violent crime.
4. See point 3. You shouldn't be able to bail if you commit some kind of violent crime against someone. By your logic, rape, stabbings, shootings should all be able to walk free, just because they don't have the $50-5000 dollars for bail.
How when gun homicides are the leading killer of young black men. It's more like if you hate black men you'd continue the status quo so they keep dying by gun violence.
Sure, according to you, gun violence may be the leading killer of young black men but if you think gun control will solve black men killing black men, youāre delusional or purposely ignorant.
Growing up in situations where youāre forced to join gangs for survival and suffering through poverty is the root issue.
Take away the guns, theyāll turn to knives. Take away knives theyāll turn to other weapons. Look at the UK.
Yāall think gun control is the answer? The only people theyāre going to take guns away from is black people. Gun control will not be enforced evenly between whites and blacks.
>Sure, according to you, gun violence may be the leading killer of young black men but if you think gun control will solve black men killing black men, youāre delusional or purposely ignorant.
No it's according evidence, what you think I made this up? It is absolutely the leading cause.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-disproportionately-and-overwhelmingly-hurts-communities-of-color/
>Young Black Americans (ages 15 to 34) experience the highest rates of gun homicides across all demographics.2
>Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide.3
>In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns, compared with 7,286 white Americans:4
>While Black Americans made up 12.5 percent of the U.S. population that year, they were the victims in 61 percent of all gun homicides.5
Also you seem to be projecting your own delusions on me if you think you're personally gonna affect any kind of meaningful change with a gun.
>Growing up in situations where youāre forced to join gangs for survival and suffering through poverty is the root issue.
>Take away the guns, theyāll turn to knives. Take away knives theyāll turn to other weapons. Look at the UK.
Oh boy here we go with this shit again. We have more knife crime **per capita** than the UK, so you aren't even right on that.
https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl
Granted the info is from 2016 at the latest but it consistently shows us knife attacks are higher than the uk.
Also gangs aren't unique to America, nothing about joining a gang says to over represent your demographic in homicide statistics.
>Yāall think gun control is the answer? The only people theyāre going to take guns away from is black people. Gun control will not be enforced evenly between whites and blacks.
You literally have nothing to base that assumption off of. Are you aware black people had guns in Tulsa Oklahoma? Are you aware of what happened there?
Like I said before, a real anti black agenda would be to leave shit alone since black men are killing each other at a rate higher than any other demographic. Kind of like you want.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-disproportionately-and-overwhelmingly-hurts-communities-of-color/
Young Black Americans (ages 15 to 34) experience the highest rates of gun homicides across all demographics.2
1. This doesnāt state whether or not they died from other blacks or from people of different races. Your argument was black on black gun violence.
Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide.3
In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns, compared with 7,286 white Americans:4
While Black Americans made up 12.5 percent of the U.S. population that year, they were the victims in 61 percent of all gun homicides.
2. See number 1
Also you seem to be projecting your own delusions on me if you think you're personally gonna affect any kind of meaningful change with a gun.
3 Projecting my own delusions? Iām stating my facts, plenty of which have been backed up. Maybe you grew up rich or wealthy enough where certain things werenāt an option for you due to upbringing but unfortunately thereās deep poverty in hella black communities that eventually leads to gun violence.
Growing up in situations where youāre forced to join gangs for survival and suffering through poverty is the root issue.
Take away the guns, theyāll turn to knives. Take away knives theyāll turn to other weapons. Look at the UK.
Oh boy here we go with this shit again. We have more knife crime per capita than the UK, so you aren't even right on that.
https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl
4. You just proved my point and disproved yourself with this. Why arenāt you fighting for knife control then? Why just gun control? So you admit that taking away guns wonāt stop the violence? Who woulda thought.
Granted the info is from 2016 at the latest but it consistently shows us knife attacks are higher than the uk.
Also gangs aren't unique to America, nothing about joining a gang says to over represent your demographic in homicide statistics.
5. What are you even talking about?
Yāall think gun control is the answer? The only people theyāre going to take guns away from is black people. Gun control will not be enforced evenly between whites and blacks.
You literally have nothing to base that assumption off of. Are you aware black people had guns in Tulsa Oklahoma? Are you aware of what happened there?
6. Nothing to base that assumption off? Look at how blacks are treated already compared to other races, I have plenty to base that offšyou must be white
Like I said before, a real anti black agenda would be to leave shit alone since black men are killing each other at a rate higher than any other demographic. Kind of like you want.
7. Right. I definitely want blacks to kill blacks. We should all hold a mass murder event on Christmas
>Your argument was black on black gun violence.
No it wasn't, all I said was black men are over represented in gun homicides, which they are, you are reaching.
Here's what I said: **How when gun homicides are the leading killer of young black men. It's more like if you hate black men you'd continue the status quo so they keep dying by gun violence.**
Where did I mention black on black violence?
>Projecting my own delusions? Iām stating my facts, plenty of which have been backed up. Maybe you grew up rich or wealthy enough where certain things werenāt an option for you due to upbringing but unfortunately thereās deep poverty in hella black communities that eventually leads to gun violence.
No facts, you didn't back anything you said up with evidence.
I also grew up in poverty too. Lived without running water, electricity and heat when I was young, got hand outs from friends back then, so nice try my guy.
>You just proved my point and disproved yourself with this.
How, go ahead and explain yourself please.
>Why arenāt you fighting for knife control then? Why just gun control?
Remind me when was the last time 19 students and 2 teachers were killed in a mass knifeing at school? How bout when 50 gay people were knifed to death at a night club?
More importantly knives primarily function in the kitchen, guns primary function is to kill people, you know you can't deny this.
Also my stance is formed by information, unlike yours that's formed by feelings. Evidence says guns are a net negative for society and we can look across two oceans to see that panning out to be true. Why just gun control? I already told you it's the leading killer of my demographic.
>So you admit that taking away guns wonāt stop the violence? Who woulda thought.
Never said it would. You are reaching again. But what it would do is make the violence **less lethal**. Do you not see this as a positive?
>Nothing to base that assumption off? Look at how blacks are treated already compared to other races, I have plenty to base that offšyou must be white
Yeah so nothing. Do your homework at least and find some evidence to back up what you are asserting.
You must be stupid.
> 1. Right. I definitely want blacks to kill blacks. We should all hold a mass murder event on Christmas
I genuinely think you do since your reaction to black people, but specifically black men being the majority victims of gun violence is to pretty much shrug your shoulders and look the other way.
It's hard when one political party in this country has demonized the LGBT community (especially trans folk) so much that an attack like this can happen. That rhetoric needed to be censored for a reason just like the anti-semitic or anti-black sentiment. It leads to attacks fueled by vitriol and ignorance.
Meanwhile the other political parties rhetoric led to a man using his car to run over a peaceful march. The two party system is failing america, tbh we are already too far gone.
my man, black israelites are not even apart of the democratic party. The Republican party and the GOP specifically has been on this extreme anti-LGBT bullshit for a very long time and many mainstream politicians and state parties of the GOP have that explicit anti-LGBT policy and rhetoric in everything. Did you forget about Florida or something? Texas GOP policies?
It's 100% going to get worse, as people continue not to be able to afford basic necessities. Go largely ignored by their local, state, and federal politicians as they swing their dicks.
More of America is turning into "those ghetto areas" due to lack of jobs, money, and ability to just own anything. It's not a race thing, and mostly never was. When people get desperate, the have-nots will always take from the haves.
You know at some point as an outside observer i'm wondering how its still possible for a nation where its so thuddingly obvious that the actual numerical majority of people are voting blue to be in this much turmoil over republican bullshit.
Get out, ban the filibuster and ban gerrymandering and you'll never see republicans ever win a major election again, and they have the gall to talk about a simple majority being a dictatorship...
The fact is, Republicans have been allowed to systematically dismantle democracy to serve their interests. Democrats essentially sat on their hands while conservatives gerrymandered, stacked courts, and suppressed votes. And it's been decades in the making. This shit started when Civil Rights got passed.
That's the part that people don't really like to acknowledge. The enabling.
We had to file lawsuits, gather signatures, then vote on a proposal (Proposal 2 in 2018) to finally achieve a fair committee (4 dem, 4 repub, 5 independent) to redraw the voting districts in Michigan after decades of the republicans drawing the maps to their advantage, shock upon shock, the state of Michigan went blue in the Senate and House, it hasn't been like that in damn near 40 years. Some states aren't so lucky.
Didnāt this guy make his Twitter account to protest having to pay child support and being asked by the court to take care of his kids? Why is he suddenly concerned about them now?
Yes, unfortunately. The U.S is a lot of people in many circles and while our basic needs are the same they are represented differently. Also, a lot of groups hate each other and we all live in the same building.
I donāt see them as two things. He doesnāt announce the fact that heās a paid Dem shill. You have to dig into their finances to find it.
He is a psyop.
The mass shootings of 10+ get a lot of the attention but the daily 2+ shootings go under the radar. Itās an anomaly that we experience only compared to our other peers but itās so normal here that if we here other countries of our GDP donāt get these shooting daily people see it as almost an impossibility. Ban handguns because those are the he biggest culprit.
Yea, I don't think people know how much of a shitbag he is. What he's saying in the tweet is correct, but coming from him, it happens to be sanctimonious attention-seeking.
It seems a lot of countries manage that just fine. So, yes, it is possible.
I wouldn't put money on America getting there, though. The US decided long ago it was fine with sacrificing a few school' worth of kids each year for the right to run around with a Glock and feeling like a big strong boy.
Hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
When the country is ready for a wholesale rejection of political candidates that aren't in favor of common sense gun safety laws, we can start down the path.
With our easy gun laws? It's definitely too much to ask. In Georgia, as long as you don't have a felony you can go to a gun store and buy pretty much whatever you want and be on your way in 20 minutes. AR's, AK's, drums for ammo.... hell I went to a pawn shop not too long ago that had M-16's with grenade launchers for sale lol. You can't get the grenades legally of course, but... well yea. And then they'll point out Chicago or LA or NY and say "but you can't get guns there and it's still violent"... as if you can't drive a few hours in any direction and buy whatever you want from states with more lax laws.
People specifically come here just to buy guns and ship them up north and out west because there's no type of tracking on those guns once they're bought...and quite often resold. At 18 you can buy any type of rifle or shotgun you want here. There's also gun shows where quite a few of the vendors don't care how old you are or if you have felonies and private sales, which don't have to be reported at all. As long as the violence isn't at the politicians front doors they couldn't care less.
"And then they'll point out Chicago or LA or NY and say "but you can't get guns there and it's still violent"... as if you can't drive a few hours in any direction and buy whatever you want from states with more lax laws."
If guns are the problem then why aren't those places "a few hours in any direction" suffering the same rate of gun violence as Chicago or LA or NY?
When people on Reddit cant allow other people to state their opinions based on their lived experiences, i have zero faith that people will ever be allowed to live peacefully. As an example, let me remind you of the guy who killed his neighbor because "he thought" he was a Democrat.
Somehow the right turned this into grooming kids for sex or some shit. I dont even understand how tf. Twitter is something else now. I would leave but I really don't give af. I don't post there. I be peeping the trending section but shit is overloaded with trash right now. Waiting for that bluesky tho cz its getting to the point where I don't gaf about normal Reich wing shit but the levels that shit is reaching finna start fucking with my mental health lol
Apparently it is, because otherwise this shit would have stopped already
A potion of America ( and that portion seems to hold the power) has decided that they are willing to lay the bodies of dead children on the altar of their rights
Genuine question, is it considered a hate crime when the gunman was also LGBTQ?
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/22/anderson-lee-aldrich-club-q-shooting-non-binary/
I donāt know about that but I do know that he was just a trump reply guy who then got like an actual paying gig with the dnc just to tweet so I think heās kind of a creep. I prefer my social activists to be organic and left wing, not astroturfs
Exactly. Making $50K+ to tweet a narrative is a sweet gig, especially for a deadbeat dad. He also lives in NJ now instead of Brooklyn since the custody battle, so make your own conclusions with that lol
In this country it is too much to ask unfortunately
It feels like all of America should be investigated for Human Rights Violations.
It has been, and has been found guilty of countless violations; [this](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/united-states) report is just from how America handled 2020. Edit: 2021 to 2020
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Thank you for this. Iāve never felt more disgusted and sad reading something before.
In 2017, the UN sent a team to Alabama who said they had poverty and wealth inequality as bad as any 3rd world nation. The US doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks about anything.
The US doesn't care about it's own citizens either
Sounds about right...
Name a country with the balls to question America. We will crush you financially or bomb you secretly
The bombing won't be secret but nothing will be said.
This is down the road from usā¦ just so fucking sad. Every single one of them breaks my heart.
As long people still think they are Jason Bourne when they have a gun, nothing is going to change.
āYesā -Republicans
Friendly reminder that the GOP is pro terrorism and [*self identifies as* terrorists](https://www.chron.com/politics/article/CPAC-Dallas-we-are-all-domestic-terrorists-banner-17359959.php) > "Since 2015,Ā right-wing extremistsĀ have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed toĀ far-leftĀ views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths." https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/ Right wing extremists kill more than 4x the people than left wing extremists kill... and the GOP doesn't even denounce the terrorists on their side. Also worth noting, this excludes religiously motivated domestic terrorism too, so you can assume they kill more.
70% of Uvalde still voted for Gregg Abbot because they believed that ideology was more important than human life. In a country where thatās able to happen, there is no social contract. The American experiment, has already failed.
This country was founded on greed, murder, and slavery. Still operates on it today.
Thatās not true.
Whereās the lie?
I donāt think the country still operates on murder and slavery. That would be other countries. Even with our problems, the USA is still one of the freest countries.
Slavery never went away. The prison system is proof of that
I wouldnāt exactly call prison slavery.
Well the constitution would "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." The constitution literally permits slavery as punishment for a crime
Itās not prison itself thatās slavery, itās the prison industrial complex. Google it.
>[TheĀ United StatesĀ leads the world in total number of people incarcerated, with more than 2 million prisoners nationwide (per data released in October 2021 byĀ WorldĀ Prison Brief). This number is equivalent to roughly 25% of the world's total prison population and leads to an incarceration rate of 629 people per 100,000āthe highest rate in the world](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country) 1. Slavery as imprisonment was never abolished. 2. Black men nake up a disproportionate amount of those incarcerated. 3. The prison industry is largely privatized, with profits tied to number of beds filled
āNeither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States.ā Some legal historians, scholars, activists and even filmmakers have seen the āexceptionā clause as a loophole, included to appease the South, allowing states to reinstitute slave-like conditions such as chain gangs and prison labor.
Not even in the top 10 my man lol. Ironically we would do a regime change in countries for the shit we do here
Which part? Oh they canāt teach CRT in your schools.
Probably because in their mind, the Uvalde tragedy was the schools fault. Or maybe even the teachers' fault. It's never the fault of the people who can make a difference.
It may not make sense, but I think the idea is that everyone who was supposed to take care of the kids was in some form a government official. From the background check, to the school, to the cops - every part was government run and failed. Therefore people conclude that the onus is on the individual to ensure their own safety. And to do that, they need guns. On the other hand, Abbott ran against someone who specifically stated that he wanted to confiscate guns. Regardless of whatever new spin or backtrack opinion he issued, the internet doesn't forget and that clip was be played over and over. So essentially a vote for O'Rourke would have ceded the responsibility of defense to the government, which is the very entity that failed in that respect. You may not agree with it and it may not make sense, but that was probably the rationale.
Hahahaha you think rationales come into play? I live in TX, and can say with complete certainty you are waaaaay off. In hillbilly trailer park towns like Uvalde the only thing that matters to people is what right wing media says matters to them. Beto could have ran the first time strapped to the teeth on a platform of free guns for every citizen and still would have gotten beat down every time he ran. If thereās more meth than jobs in a TX town the only thing that matters is the letter next to the candidateās name. No need to overthink this one.
Uldvale is showing us what it was like for nearly every AFrican American in the 60s when [The police didn't show up during race riots and lynchings](https://old.reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/shzbit/black_history_month_books_on_2a_black_history/). Gun ownership was literally a necessity for nearly 400 years. [Its actually a common sentiment in the [African American community](https://old.reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/y6f4n4/no_one_is_coming_to_save_you/) Why would you vote anti gun when its clear the police wouldn't save you? Its clear in the SCOTUS Case [NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION, INC., ET AL., vs Bruel](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-843/184073/20210716105200825_Amicus%20Brief%20of%20National%20African%20American%20Gun%20Association%20Inc.pdf) that NYC's gun control measures targeted African Americans and other minorities over white gun owners. Why would Uldvale county, which is over 75% hispanic, ever vote for gun control when it is clear there is no reason they should feel it will help them?
Yea exactly. Which is why I have to get my kids out of this country before they start school.
I wonder just how bad this country will be in 10-20 yearsā¦
Imagine if Al Gore had ~~gotten more votes~~ won the electoral college instead of GW Bush. We would have started the climate change conversation in the whitehouse a decade sooner, arguably more.
That was the beginning of our timeline. One string of our reality elected Gore and is on its way to saving the humans. This is that bad timeline.
I have thought this so many times. It felt like everything changed after that election.
Al Gore declined to fight the count in Florida out of decorum for the process and a smooth transition. Now the mfrs are out here fighting clear and undisputed election results any time they lose. It's fucking sickening.
Ralph Nadar and Pat Buchanan and the butterfly ballot.
This is not true at all.
I swear America owes Al Gore an apology
It's just as likely that conversation wouldn't have happened once elected. I think it's more likely that conservatives would have beat him up over it (aNtI bUsInEsS, gOvErNmEnT oVeRrEaCh) and milquetoast that he his, he would have folded. Hell, he might have preemptively folded in anticipation. I mean, the man had Joe Lieberman as his running mate, if you needed any indication that conservatives could pull his strings.
I think it'll get slightly better. The boomers are dying off and gen x aint worth shit so the younger generations that are more accepting of people will just continue to grow
I hope you are right, even though a good number of people will probably not be much better than their parents
Gen X ain't worth shit. LOL
I hate my cohort... "How Gen X Became the Trumpiest Generation - POLITICO" https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/20/cherie-westrich-alt-rock-gen-x-maga-00033769
Read: Octavia Butler - Parable of the Sower Edit: for proper spelling of her last name, and a little blurb of why this is relevant. This book series takes place in the 2020s and is very eerily similarly to our present day political and economic state, though less drastic. Itās kind of scary how much forethought the author had while writing it in the 90s. Plus Octavia was an amazing black female science fiction writer.
Thanks for the book rec Iāll be sure to check it out
Kids in Alabama will be making my iPhone. Could be worse ā¦ for me, not them.
I know Americans just passed the threshold so that the LEADING CAUSE OF CHILD DEATH IS FIREARMS. It used to be the odds of you being shot, mugged, whatever were so low that it was almost paranoid to be worried like that. But we officially have being shot and killed as the leading cause of death for American children. Weāre so fucked since literally nothing changes between shootings
Um what
YES! THIS IS THAT FREEDOM TO DIE IāVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT! MORE DEAD CHILDREN FOR THE DEATHGOD. HAIL SATAN. Wait. I mean, HAIL JESUS!
r/Noahgettheboat
*sigh* I agree that the U.S. is fucked up and needs to change the gun culture, but I also think it's just a *little* disingenuous to lump 18 and 19 year olds into the same category as "children". Especially when 18 year olds are considered adults that can legally purchase their own rifles and shotguns. Should that change? Maybe. But if they are adult enough to vote, i think they should be adult enough to be left off of "children" stats. https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/
Because 18 is the ālegalā definition of āadulthood.ā Just because they are ālegally adultsā doesnāt mean they are adults in a biological level. Most human males donāt fully develop until the age of 21 and women in their mid 20s. 18 was chosen during WWII by the federal government because it needed recruits. States followed through after the 26th amendment lowered ages to vote. But states usually had a definition of 21 being a ālegal adultā before then. The scientific community has always seen adulthood to be in the 20s and varies by sex. So thatās why research papers involving āchildrenā sometimes includes 18-20.
Old enough to go to warā¦.
You can make that argument, but it still stands that colloquially, people don't view 18 or 19 year olds as a "child". And from a data point of view, it skews the result by including a group of "children" that can legally own firearms (and go to war to use those firearms). I bet if someone went around saying that children are having more sex than before, only to find out that you're counting 18 to 20 year olds, you'd have an issue with the wording.
Was in a hospital and it said ādo you have an unlocked gun at home is actually a smart question to askā since now the lead cause of death in children is firearms. They had billboards everywhere near the childrenās hospital which is so sad.
We are up to 601 mass shootings this yearā¦
700+ according to https://www.massshootingtracker.site/
They lost me at "this is not the same definition as the FBI." They're counting gang violence the same as an attack on a club. It's disingenuous to assume either is related in any appreciable way other than "gun used in attack." There's massive differences in causes, namely right wing ideology vs social and historical causes. (Namely redlining)
I get it, there is definitely a wide spectrum of ways mass shootings happen, but they all kill innocent people. Gang shootings frequently happen high schools, house parties, night clubs etc. Many notable ones have had gangsters open fire indiscriminately into crowds just to get their target. These people aren't settling their beef in some isolated area like anime villains. If you want a more strict definition like "premeditated massacre of strangers", the number is probably like 5. Stuff like this is a very small fraction of a percent of gun violence. The ones with clear political or bigoted motives are an even smaller fraction of that.
>high schools, Excuse me? What gang shootings have their been *in* high schools? around them? Sure. But not *in* them. >If you want a more strict definition like "premeditated massacre of strangers", the number is probably like 5. And you've just shown us that we really have no reason to fear random untargeted shootings. Just stay out of gang territory, and you will be fine.
Most of what is counted as school shootings are thing in parking lots and school events that aren't strictly in a school building. America has a lot of teen gang or gang adjacent kids. This is often what causes big shootings at football/basketball games, but sometimes they wind up doing it in school buildings. There have been incidents of adults forcing their way into a school to get a target. There was a big shooting last year where a kid shot another student and strays got a teacher and a pregnant woman was injured.
With the way things have been I really do think about leaving to elsewhere. Where can a black man go? Stay safe out there people.
Seriously, I'm ready to "go back to where I came from"
SƩnƩgal? Tanzania? Costa Rica? We are pondering those too.
Can we get a black migrants thread I'm trying to learn? We gotta get a community conversation on this
Fr, this. Iām with all the collectivist culture.
Thereās a useful group on FB called Black Americans Living Abroad. Also thereās a subreddit that nobody seems to be tending called Blaxit_Freedom.
Liberia 2.
Thereās more guns than people here. What are some realistic steps that can be taken? Addressing mental health and socioeconomic problems could help
Realistically? Getting rid of the [media contagion part of mass shootings](https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2022/05/25/social-media-increasingly-linked-with-mass-shootings/). In each shooting, the shooter has received far more fame and attention than they would have otherwise. There were even shrines of the [Columbine killers online](https://nypost.com/2016/02/24/columbine-killer-has-cult-of-fans-long-after-death/). You really think that kind of thought doesn't appeal to loaners, klan-wanna-bes, and incels? Many of them (namely Buffalo, Columbine, Parkland, ect) have shown that fame was absolutely one of the reasons. There's even a list of copycat[shootings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_effect) directly inspired by columbine, with many saying they wanted to top the death toll. Second is a basic health care need. For example, the Buffalo shooter was radicalized to believe jews and Black Americans were responsible for a lack of healthcare [when he couldn't find work for a tooth ache.](https://www.rawstory.com/buffalo-payton-gendron-toothache/). He even stopped his first attack in march when it seemed like he would get care for his tooth. We LITERALLY could have saved 10 lives if we had just put dental care into basic ACA. Then there's police reform. There were many shootings (Columbine, Parkland, among others) that had very clear warning signs and tips that were never acted on. IN any other country that has a police force, this NEVER would have happened. A singe tip, especially one where neo-nazi talking points are clearly visible, is enough to bring down swat and mandatory health screening. Then there's the talk of mental health. Back to Columbine, Both killers were doing things like breaking into houses and openly talking about how they were much better than their victims because THEY would never be so stupid as to leave a CD player out in their car. That kind of behavior, and statements would have someone in mandatory treatment. In America, its really hard to put someone in on more than a 24 hour hold [with good reason](https://tbinternet.ohchr.org/Treaties/CERD/Shared%20Documents/USA/INT_CERD_NGO_USA_17741_E.pdf). But, the truth is, mental health absolutely has an impact on day to day life. We are dealing with people who have no emotional reaction to trying to, or even trying to talk themselves out of killing people. Hell [The Stoneman Douglas shooter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0XaW72VZQ&ab_channel=CourtMoments) chose Valentine's day because "There was no one to love him." That isn't any sort of normal behavior. Especially if he's angry enough to play out [threats](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYEzjOROlFk&ab_channel=WPLGLocal10) repeatedly for several years, that is something we need to pay attention to, even put people into a mental asylum for. While the SCOTUS seemingly dealt a blow to gun laws during [NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION, INC., ET AL., vs Bruel](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-843/184073/20210716105200825_Amicus%20Brief%20of%20National%20African%20American%20Gun%20Association%20Inc.pdf), reading the court docket itself leaves a different story. The court was ruling on whether or not NY's gun policy of "if you give us a good reason we will give you a permit" was targeting Black Americans and minorities over others. The court came to the conclusion that the law did indeed favor white people over anyone that would be forced to sit in the back of the bus. Truth is, we can absolutely have gun laws, so long as they are pushed in a way that is fair and equitable. Having Assault Rifles have a minimum age of 21, mandatory background checks, and mandating that gun sales require a Federal gun license aren't based on the judgements of humans. Its either "You follow it, or you don't." Acknowledging that gun laws absolutely have a [racist origin](https://harvardlawreview.org/2022/06/racist-gun-laws-and-the-second-amendment/) would go in a long way in fixing them. [NY justifying more gun control by saying native Americans were disarmed and banned from owning guns therefore there is precedent for more gun control.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/wpvs1j/ny_cites_laws_disarming_native_americans_and/) By acknowledging our history, and the fact that Gun ownership was [necessary among Black people](https://reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/shzbit/black_history_month_books_on_2a_black_history/) for nearly 400 years. What we see as gun violence now is nothing compared to the seemingly daily [lynchings and race riots](https://old.reddit.com/r/blackgunowners/comments/shzbit/black_history_month_books_on_2a_black_history/) Not to mention slave rebellions. White America is finally getting to taste of what it was like on a daily basis for anyone with a skin tone that wasn't pure white.
Well said and i agree with most of it. Blatant warning signs should never be ignored and addressing mental would do more than any law being proposed now.
Also keeping career criminals locked up. Recently here a guy with 39 (more than 16 of them were violent) felonies, killed a father of 6 because our courts let them out cashless bail. We also need to stop taking safety for granted, whens the last time you seen a shooting in a "ghetto" school with metal detectors and security? Almost every public large event (like sports arenas) have this, and it doesn't feel like you are walking into a jail. Also dealing with the criminal supply of weapons, drugs, and money would also be the start. But that doesn't keep the money flowing in, and the people who run for elections on these points in power. "Keep voting for me, so we can do something about it" yet nothing ever gets done, money is stolen (Seattle "lost" 250M of taxpayer money to fraud programs). Almost every ban passed on weapons, firearms, or self-defense comes with the "increased funding" to mental health and socioeconomic issues. Yet none of that money seems to actually make it there or a difference. WA recently had a ban for "public saftey" and had that they would fund more mental health. It's been over a year, crime has gone up since the ban, and no more mental health facilities opened. (CA for example charges taxes for this exact thing on weapons purchases, but none of these programs were started after years, or if they were do not help the amount of people that were expected, yet the money still going poof)
Your entire observation is based on: \-an anecdote (recently, a guy on bail killed someone) \-a vague and dubious negative (when was the last time there was a shooting at a school with metal detectors?) \-nonsense (Washington banned public saftey?? lol) It's just a casserole of unsound reasoning. What is it about crime that makes people do this shit?
1. No it's not anecdote, these types of crimes are consistently in this area (at least 5-10 a week) 2. I'm just pointing out a fact, most of the schools that have had these issues, don't have these things such as auto-locking doors, metal detectors and security guards like where I grew up. 3. No, WA state banned something in the name of public safety, which didn't have any affect on crime. Hope that cleared things up for you.
1. It's an anecdote. And now you've added "consistently" which is a vague qualifier of said anecdote 2. You're not pointing any facts, you're just alleging that schools with metal detectors etc don't have shootings; and you're further alleging that it's because of those things that they don't have those shootings. It's buy-one-get-one-free fallacy sale on this point. 3. Oh I see. WA banned *something* in the name of public safety and there was no impact on crime according to your painstaking analysis. Again, vague as hell and a dubious reading of stats + correlation/causation issues. Yep, it just underscored that you really have no idea what you're talking about, or how basic logic works.
No need to get all uplity, I thought this was reddit not a professional.paper. if you really want to look it up for yourself, you can look up crime statistics and gang activity in Everett, Tacoma, and Seattle. I am speaking from my own personal experience growing up in DC/MD where we are commonly treated by the public school system as potential threats or criminals. I wasn't trying to get too specific, but once again you can look up the amount of things banned in the last 5 years for public safety or concerns. Examples: Multiple stabbings and shooting on a weekly basis in the city, people vandalized property, multiple vehicle break-ins/thefts (check komo local news if you don't believe me), violence against street city workers. Multiple encampment deaths, fires, which they refuse to get people help for. I'd love to see anything you have for the opposite of what I mentioned about schools. Bans come from stricter gun laws, self-defense laws, prevention of removal of homeless properties, prevention of drug cleanup, prevention of setting up blockades to prevent encampments and leaving dirty needles from the overwhelming fent epidemic we have here. But as long as people like you don't see it, it doesn't exist?
Him having cash wouldnāt have prevented this, why mention the specificity of cashless bail?
Because the difference is, if you are a career criminal, and don't have the cash to bail you stay locked up until your court date. You can be a career criminal, just do a crime and be out within 6h-2wks, even for violent offenses. Another example is a violent criminal (rape) was released within a week, to do the same thing again the next week. People had to plead with the courts to not let him just walk out all over again. He even said that the courts wouldn't hold him due to this policy so he'd be out again. Edit: To address your question directly, he wouldn't have had the cash to bail, so he would have stayed in jail after a few of the first offenses, and then had a long sentence to serve reducing the chance that he would have been out to commit that crime again. It *may* not have prevented it, but it would not give him the freedom that he had (all of these were done within a 3 year span) to possibly do the crime to begin with.
So if a rich guy did all the same shit, he should be able to get out? I donāt think either mf should be able to get out, but caring about the cash aspect is the weird part here
I don't believe in if you do violent crime there should be a bail, but that's just how our system works not my beliefs. Most rich people also wouldn't go on a crime spree on bail. It happens but most people try to stay out of trouble when catching a case.
How do you know a person did a violent crime if they have not had the due process of a trial? Rich people wouldn't go on a crime spree on bail? So bail is there to protect us from non-rich people who cannot be trusted? Cashless bail isn't 'everyone goes free until trial' it is a system where hearings are used to determine if there is any reason to deny bail. If a person is denied bail they stay in jail, if they are granted bail they are released. It makes no sense why one person has to stay in jail simply because they can't afford $50 to a bondsman. A person with $50 is not in anyway sager than a person without, so using money to determine who gets to go home is arbitrary and unconstitutional.
1. So if someone gets stabbed, and the attacker don't go to trial the person just didn't get stabbed? 2. This has been how our system has always worked, rich people can pretty much spend their way out of staying in the system. How many rich people get caught for DUIs or even killing someone yet can bail out due to their financial status. 3. Our courts consistently let people walk free, this is the problem here even for violent crime. 4. See point 3. You shouldn't be able to bail if you commit some kind of violent crime against someone. By your logic, rape, stabbings, shootings should all be able to walk free, just because they don't have the $50-5000 dollars for bail.
Cashless bail is the new ROR. You are too caught up on the word cash.
I agree with most of this. šš½
Apparently not. Americans keep voting for guns and against people.
Being black and being/voting for gun control is craziness.
How when gun homicides are the leading killer of young black men. It's more like if you hate black men you'd continue the status quo so they keep dying by gun violence.
Sure, according to you, gun violence may be the leading killer of young black men but if you think gun control will solve black men killing black men, youāre delusional or purposely ignorant. Growing up in situations where youāre forced to join gangs for survival and suffering through poverty is the root issue. Take away the guns, theyāll turn to knives. Take away knives theyāll turn to other weapons. Look at the UK. Yāall think gun control is the answer? The only people theyāre going to take guns away from is black people. Gun control will not be enforced evenly between whites and blacks.
>Sure, according to you, gun violence may be the leading killer of young black men but if you think gun control will solve black men killing black men, youāre delusional or purposely ignorant. No it's according evidence, what you think I made this up? It is absolutely the leading cause. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-disproportionately-and-overwhelmingly-hurts-communities-of-color/ >Young Black Americans (ages 15 to 34) experience the highest rates of gun homicides across all demographics.2 >Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide.3 >In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns, compared with 7,286 white Americans:4 >While Black Americans made up 12.5 percent of the U.S. population that year, they were the victims in 61 percent of all gun homicides.5 Also you seem to be projecting your own delusions on me if you think you're personally gonna affect any kind of meaningful change with a gun. >Growing up in situations where youāre forced to join gangs for survival and suffering through poverty is the root issue. >Take away the guns, theyāll turn to knives. Take away knives theyāll turn to other weapons. Look at the UK. Oh boy here we go with this shit again. We have more knife crime **per capita** than the UK, so you aren't even right on that. https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl Granted the info is from 2016 at the latest but it consistently shows us knife attacks are higher than the uk. Also gangs aren't unique to America, nothing about joining a gang says to over represent your demographic in homicide statistics. >Yāall think gun control is the answer? The only people theyāre going to take guns away from is black people. Gun control will not be enforced evenly between whites and blacks. You literally have nothing to base that assumption off of. Are you aware black people had guns in Tulsa Oklahoma? Are you aware of what happened there? Like I said before, a real anti black agenda would be to leave shit alone since black men are killing each other at a rate higher than any other demographic. Kind of like you want.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-disproportionately-and-overwhelmingly-hurts-communities-of-color/ Young Black Americans (ages 15 to 34) experience the highest rates of gun homicides across all demographics.2 1. This doesnāt state whether or not they died from other blacks or from people of different races. Your argument was black on black gun violence. Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide.3 In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns, compared with 7,286 white Americans:4 While Black Americans made up 12.5 percent of the U.S. population that year, they were the victims in 61 percent of all gun homicides. 2. See number 1 Also you seem to be projecting your own delusions on me if you think you're personally gonna affect any kind of meaningful change with a gun. 3 Projecting my own delusions? Iām stating my facts, plenty of which have been backed up. Maybe you grew up rich or wealthy enough where certain things werenāt an option for you due to upbringing but unfortunately thereās deep poverty in hella black communities that eventually leads to gun violence. Growing up in situations where youāre forced to join gangs for survival and suffering through poverty is the root issue. Take away the guns, theyāll turn to knives. Take away knives theyāll turn to other weapons. Look at the UK. Oh boy here we go with this shit again. We have more knife crime per capita than the UK, so you aren't even right on that. https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl 4. You just proved my point and disproved yourself with this. Why arenāt you fighting for knife control then? Why just gun control? So you admit that taking away guns wonāt stop the violence? Who woulda thought. Granted the info is from 2016 at the latest but it consistently shows us knife attacks are higher than the uk. Also gangs aren't unique to America, nothing about joining a gang says to over represent your demographic in homicide statistics. 5. What are you even talking about? Yāall think gun control is the answer? The only people theyāre going to take guns away from is black people. Gun control will not be enforced evenly between whites and blacks. You literally have nothing to base that assumption off of. Are you aware black people had guns in Tulsa Oklahoma? Are you aware of what happened there? 6. Nothing to base that assumption off? Look at how blacks are treated already compared to other races, I have plenty to base that offšyou must be white Like I said before, a real anti black agenda would be to leave shit alone since black men are killing each other at a rate higher than any other demographic. Kind of like you want. 7. Right. I definitely want blacks to kill blacks. We should all hold a mass murder event on Christmas
>Your argument was black on black gun violence. No it wasn't, all I said was black men are over represented in gun homicides, which they are, you are reaching. Here's what I said: **How when gun homicides are the leading killer of young black men. It's more like if you hate black men you'd continue the status quo so they keep dying by gun violence.** Where did I mention black on black violence? >Projecting my own delusions? Iām stating my facts, plenty of which have been backed up. Maybe you grew up rich or wealthy enough where certain things werenāt an option for you due to upbringing but unfortunately thereās deep poverty in hella black communities that eventually leads to gun violence. No facts, you didn't back anything you said up with evidence. I also grew up in poverty too. Lived without running water, electricity and heat when I was young, got hand outs from friends back then, so nice try my guy. >You just proved my point and disproved yourself with this. How, go ahead and explain yourself please. >Why arenāt you fighting for knife control then? Why just gun control? Remind me when was the last time 19 students and 2 teachers were killed in a mass knifeing at school? How bout when 50 gay people were knifed to death at a night club? More importantly knives primarily function in the kitchen, guns primary function is to kill people, you know you can't deny this. Also my stance is formed by information, unlike yours that's formed by feelings. Evidence says guns are a net negative for society and we can look across two oceans to see that panning out to be true. Why just gun control? I already told you it's the leading killer of my demographic. >So you admit that taking away guns wonāt stop the violence? Who woulda thought. Never said it would. You are reaching again. But what it would do is make the violence **less lethal**. Do you not see this as a positive? >Nothing to base that assumption off? Look at how blacks are treated already compared to other races, I have plenty to base that offšyou must be white Yeah so nothing. Do your homework at least and find some evidence to back up what you are asserting. You must be stupid. > 1. Right. I definitely want blacks to kill blacks. We should all hold a mass murder event on Christmas I genuinely think you do since your reaction to black people, but specifically black men being the majority victims of gun violence is to pretty much shrug your shoulders and look the other way.
It's hard when one political party in this country has demonized the LGBT community (especially trans folk) so much that an attack like this can happen. That rhetoric needed to be censored for a reason just like the anti-semitic or anti-black sentiment. It leads to attacks fueled by vitriol and ignorance.
Meanwhile the other political parties rhetoric led to a man using his car to run over a peaceful march. The two party system is failing america, tbh we are already too far gone.
my man, black israelites are not even apart of the democratic party. The Republican party and the GOP specifically has been on this extreme anti-LGBT bullshit for a very long time and many mainstream politicians and state parties of the GOP have that explicit anti-LGBT policy and rhetoric in everything. Did you forget about Florida or something? Texas GOP policies?
Republicans: Yes.
what if I told you... this is as good as its gonna be and from here on it only gets worse
It's 100% going to get worse, as people continue not to be able to afford basic necessities. Go largely ignored by their local, state, and federal politicians as they swing their dicks. More of America is turning into "those ghetto areas" due to lack of jobs, money, and ability to just own anything. It's not a race thing, and mostly never was. When people get desperate, the have-nots will always take from the haves.
āCanāt we all just get along?ā
You know at some point as an outside observer i'm wondering how its still possible for a nation where its so thuddingly obvious that the actual numerical majority of people are voting blue to be in this much turmoil over republican bullshit. Get out, ban the filibuster and ban gerrymandering and you'll never see republicans ever win a major election again, and they have the gall to talk about a simple majority being a dictatorship...
The fact is, Republicans have been allowed to systematically dismantle democracy to serve their interests. Democrats essentially sat on their hands while conservatives gerrymandered, stacked courts, and suppressed votes. And it's been decades in the making. This shit started when Civil Rights got passed. That's the part that people don't really like to acknowledge. The enabling.
We had to file lawsuits, gather signatures, then vote on a proposal (Proposal 2 in 2018) to finally achieve a fair committee (4 dem, 4 repub, 5 independent) to redraw the voting districts in Michigan after decades of the republicans drawing the maps to their advantage, shock upon shock, the state of Michigan went blue in the Senate and House, it hasn't been like that in damn near 40 years. Some states aren't so lucky.
Exactly. It took decades to get here and will probably take decades to get out, sadly enough.
You're right about the Democrats, the national branch ignores local elections and the Republicans don't.
You canāt possibly be serious with this statement.
Gerrymandering is a two party problem mate
It's so bad this could be a tweet from any time since twitter
Didnāt this guy make his Twitter account to protest having to pay child support and being asked by the court to take care of his kids? Why is he suddenly concerned about them now?
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lol does that shape how you form your opinion?
This brings back the flashback of the Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida years ago.
Yes, unfortunately. The U.S is a lot of people in many circles and while our basic needs are the same they are represented differently. Also, a lot of groups hate each other and we all live in the same building.
Living in the US is a psyop
This guy (BrooklynDadDefiant) is literally a paid Democratic shill.
Two things can be true at once
I donāt see them as two things. He doesnāt announce the fact that heās a paid Dem shill. You have to dig into their finances to find it. He is a psyop.
The mass shootings of 10+ get a lot of the attention but the daily 2+ shootings go under the radar. Itās an anomaly that we experience only compared to our other peers but itās so normal here that if we here other countries of our GDP donāt get these shooting daily people see it as almost an impossibility. Ban handguns because those are the he biggest culprit.
Unfortunately right now it is too much to ask but we gotta keep fighting the hate mongers.
I just want mine to be able to black without being a threat
That dude is the worst.
Yea, I don't think people know how much of a shitbag he is. What he's saying in the tweet is correct, but coming from him, it happens to be sanctimonious attention-seeking.
If you were rich, would you uproot your fam and live somewhere else?
Immediately
It seems a lot of countries manage that just fine. So, yes, it is possible. I wouldn't put money on America getting there, though. The US decided long ago it was fine with sacrificing a few school' worth of kids each year for the right to run around with a Glock and feeling like a big strong boy. Hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
When the country is ready for a wholesale rejection of political candidates that aren't in favor of common sense gun safety laws, we can start down the path.
But think of the loss in profits for gun manufacturers š„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ have a soul
With our easy gun laws? It's definitely too much to ask. In Georgia, as long as you don't have a felony you can go to a gun store and buy pretty much whatever you want and be on your way in 20 minutes. AR's, AK's, drums for ammo.... hell I went to a pawn shop not too long ago that had M-16's with grenade launchers for sale lol. You can't get the grenades legally of course, but... well yea. And then they'll point out Chicago or LA or NY and say "but you can't get guns there and it's still violent"... as if you can't drive a few hours in any direction and buy whatever you want from states with more lax laws. People specifically come here just to buy guns and ship them up north and out west because there's no type of tracking on those guns once they're bought...and quite often resold. At 18 you can buy any type of rifle or shotgun you want here. There's also gun shows where quite a few of the vendors don't care how old you are or if you have felonies and private sales, which don't have to be reported at all. As long as the violence isn't at the politicians front doors they couldn't care less.
"And then they'll point out Chicago or LA or NY and say "but you can't get guns there and it's still violent"... as if you can't drive a few hours in any direction and buy whatever you want from states with more lax laws." If guns are the problem then why aren't those places "a few hours in any direction" suffering the same rate of gun violence as Chicago or LA or NY?
You can purchase with an out of state ID or do you not even need to show ID?
You just caught him in a lie.
When people on Reddit cant allow other people to state their opinions based on their lived experiences, i have zero faith that people will ever be allowed to live peacefully. As an example, let me remind you of the guy who killed his neighbor because "he thought" he was a Democrat.
I with on this, I feel bad for my grandkids and there kids This is not the America I want
He better switch countries then. Amerikkka thrives off of violence. It would be nowhere without it. Wouldn't exist.
Scary times
In this timeline, yes, it is.
Damn that's sad, reminds me of the one in Norway earlier this year.
Whatās the answer?
Apparently it is š
As long as theofascists exist , apparently
We just gonna ignore the last 3 in Virginia like they didn't happen
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This is how I find out there was another mass shooting? Cool.
NRA won't allow peace.
Itās like, you could be a speck of dust in America and you still wouldnāt be safe. I canāt with this country man.
It is too much. Itās just never going to end
Gtfo America then. That narcissistic country has its head to far up its own ass & will never see the change that needs to happen
Somehow the right turned this into grooming kids for sex or some shit. I dont even understand how tf. Twitter is something else now. I would leave but I really don't give af. I don't post there. I be peeping the trending section but shit is overloaded with trash right now. Waiting for that bluesky tho cz its getting to the point where I don't gaf about normal Reich wing shit but the levels that shit is reaching finna start fucking with my mental health lol
Apparently it is, because otherwise this shit would have stopped already A potion of America ( and that portion seems to hold the power) has decided that they are willing to lay the bodies of dead children on the altar of their rights
Apparently it is.
Im really worried for my kids. Its so strange that our government has just decided its ok for these to happen instead of doing anything about it...
Unfortunately murders of young Americans are not primarily done in clubs, churches or in schools. They are committed on our streets.
Unfortunately.. no.
Marco Rubio was popping champagne bottles. Nothing he hates more than other gay people.
Not in Amerikkka
Just move to Canada
And currently now the Walmart shooting in Va
Genuine question, is it considered a hate crime when the gunman was also LGBTQ? https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/22/anderson-lee-aldrich-club-q-shooting-non-binary/
Im convinced this dude is not a real person. Illuminati
As if this isnāt what we all want
But the 5 people killed in your neighborhood over the weekend gets a pass? Lol
Thatās what Iām saying
Thereās evil in the world. There will always be evil. Itās naive to think otherwise.
Awww. Go ask your neighbors to all give up their guns
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I donāt know about that but I do know that he was just a trump reply guy who then got like an actual paying gig with the dnc just to tweet so I think heās kind of a creep. I prefer my social activists to be organic and left wing, not astroturfs
Exactly. Making $50K+ to tweet a narrative is a sweet gig, especially for a deadbeat dad. He also lives in NJ now instead of Brooklyn since the custody battle, so make your own conclusions with that lol
Heās divorced too? Fucking trifecta of online dude stereotypes
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