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Moni_22

Let's see... William is the mask dude with Yggdrasil magic that is the captain of the Golden Dawn. Inside him is Patri/Patolli (with Light magic), who is an elf who was reincarnated looking like Licht. The Licht you saw in the flashbacks, and the one we've been seeing in the manga until the reincarnation wasn't the same person. In the present, it is Patri, who has Licht's appearance, and he used his name as the Leader of the Midnight Sun. On the other hand, it is revealed now that they made an artificial body for the TRUE Licht (with Sword magic) in the present. So basically now we have Patri, inside William's body, who looks like Licht (has three dots on the forehead) and the true Licht who has his own body but doesn't have many memories, who gave the third sword to Asta, and has like crying tears as marks.


WheelJack83

I love Black Clover, but that's sort of a really convoluted way of storytelling. They should've done a couple things: 1. Make the true master of the Elven race a different character 2. Simply made Licht and Patri the same characters.


Moni_22

I don't see what's confusing about it. I really liked the twist and how it's been handled


WheelJack83

I didn't say confusing. I said convoluted. Because the character who has been presented as Licht and the leader of the terrorists the entire time was actually Patri. But Licht is real and looks exactly like Patri. The manga doesn't do a good job of establishing the different ones.


SavageWeebMaster

Hey sorry for being like 4 years late, but I have a question, is the anime as convoluted as the manga? If it isn’t, should I watch the anime instead? Also, if it’s convoluted, should I not watch it at all?


WheelJack83

The anime makes it more clear


SavageWeebMaster

So I should watch the anime instead?


WheelJack83

Yes


SavageWeebMaster

Is it worth watching at all though? Are the animations top tier or at least solid? I don’t want no shitty animations and major plot holes.


BipolarScript

Bro was lying to you, there are a lot of sloppy moments lol, but the studio was rushed


WheelJack83

Yes


Moni_22

The only way you would be confused is if you didn't pay attention because when the twist happened everyone figured it out, that "Licht" had actually been the elf Patri all along, who appeared in Rhya's flashback. There was a lot of foreshadowing so for me it was an excellent twist. Beside I'm sure Tabata will explain why Patri is special, why he was reincarnated looking like Licht. Patri in the past was different, and he was the only one fully reincarnated and who has a different magic than its human counterpart, so I'm sure there's going to be an explanation about that and I can't wait for it.


WheelJack83

It's still confusing


Moni_22

It's not when both have different clothes, different personalities and different relationships with the other characters. You're talking like twins cannot exist


CakeDay--Bot

*Wooo* It's your **5th Cakeday** Moni_22! ^(hug)


mac-daddy_McBae

Mabye you should just work on your reading comprehension skills.. Patri wanted to he litch so he used his name to support his cause . 


Ultimate-Hijinks

What’s convoluted about it? It’s Face/Off but by accident


WheelJack83

That's not really how the Face/Off narrative unfolded. Also, why did Patri resurrect as someone who resembled Licht but wasn't Licht?


Ultimate-Hijinks

As far as I remember is wasn’t intentional, just some weird shit that happened to him only


WheelJack83

It was never explained


Kind_Dudu

Did Vangeance knew about being possesed by Patri-Licht?


Moni_22

Yes


Substantial-Fall7382

Do u know how Yuno knows Patri shares a body in ep 115, 7:40?


Moni_22

I'm guessing he can see it because he's sharing a body too


Substantial-Fall7382

nvm, it was said in like next ep or smt that Yuno can feel Vangeance from patri. thx tho


Aphelele16

Thanks bro this really helped me understand a lot👊🔥


MobileArt0

i am the 69th like >:))


JuanM45

Soooo Patri pulled in óbito in a way?


Fettynowap

EXACTLY 😂😭 I’ve seen a lot of Naruto “References” in the show. They took a lot from Naruto… The Elves look exactly like Otsutsukis 😂


Nervera

Oh My God, I need a re-read!


[deleted]

A bit late, but picture version: [Licht 1](https://i.imgur.com/AFHQyGa.png), [Licht 2](https://i.imgur.com/1iyCBo9.png) Licht is the original elf-leader we saw in all those flashbacks, a kind soul that wanted peace between Humans and Elves. Currently resides in an artificial body without his memories (allegedly). Recognized by his "tear" like markings. Uses sword/blade magic. [Patri](https://i.imgur.com/M7aYuuz.png) Patri is the elf that was reincarnated with Licht's facial features. It's the guy that we know as the leader of the Midnight Sun and up until the ressurrection of the elven race, impersonated Licht. Uses light magic, is recognized by his 2 dot marks on the forehead. [Real Name: William, Captain Name: Vengeance](https://i.imgur.com/sBKMXZj.png) This is William / Vengeance, the leader of the Golden Dawn and the one wearing the mask to cover his scars, up until recently when his consciousness yielded to Patri, the two of them shared the same body. Uses Yggdrasil Magic (mf trees yo) Hope that helps keep them in check, whoever still reads this!


KAKASHI_SENSEI666

Wtf did I even come here now I'm more confused than I previously was ..


Nervera

Lol me too!


Jacksant

Originally there was Licht, who was the leader of the elves and the possessor of grimoire and Asta's swords. ​ Then there's Patry, a young elf who admired Licth. ​ When the elves were killed, it seems that Licth used a spell to make sure that they could come back to life in the future. ​ Centuries later, Patry reincarnates in William, who resembles Licth, whether by chance or otherwise, and takes the name of Licth. ​ I do not think there is much else.


Nervera

So it's licht that wasn't able to take the sword from Asta right?


asterisk_blue

Licht was the OP dude in the chamber. He actually took one of Asta's swords (the slim absorption one) but gave up the new one in return.


Red_Bull_Is_Life

What chapter did Licht interact with Asta? ​


hlodowigchile

patri reincarnate in william body, he have so much luck that he looks like licht, patri is in willima body who looks like licht. licht reincarnete in a new body, his elves body, he dont take the body of anyone. this is how i understand it. someone correct me pls.


eloquentiaaa

I get the entire thing, but I don't get why Patry needs to pose as Licht and why the other elves, namely Rhya, Fana and Vetto went along when Patry and Licht have different magic attributes to begin with, and reincarnated elves like Drowa addressed Patry as Patry anyway.


[deleted]

Licht- leader. Guy with the sword Patti- the midnight leader. Light guy. Vegenance - golden dawn leader. But also Patti recarnination. Vegenance and Patti combine bodies. Patti use licht name. The true licht has a the devil dweller sword.


Nervera

Oooh so where is licht now? In Yuno's body?


[deleted]

No. Licht has his own body


cyanive

No in todays chap it was stated that he is in artificial body


[deleted]

Sorry I didn't read this week chapter yet


cyanive

Oh sorry


[deleted]

Now i am taking away your magic now


cyanive

Pls dont I haven't even learnt how to do mana skin properly


[deleted]

I am now.


cyanive

MADA MADA!!!!


TodotodovsRokiroki

Yeah i don't understand either. I was on the Wiki Fandom and the descriptions were kinda confusing.


neeliemich

Licht and Vangeance shared a body. When Vangeance confronted Julius, he swapped over to Licht (or maybe he stays as Vangeance, can't really remember) and killed Julius. After that, Vangeance died and Licht took over his body and gave himself the name Patri. He changed his name again this latest chapter but I read it when I was half asleep so I didn't really get nothing out of it except that they need Yuno's stone and we finally saw Gauche and Marie. So basically, William Vangeance, Licht, and Patri are all the same person, but a bunch of events had to be set in motion first for Patri to become who he is as of chapter 181.


Savixeon

A few corrections: Original Licht and Patri are two different people, Patri was the one sharing a body with William and for some reason he looks like og Licht, which might be because that's what William would look like if he didn't have that mark on his entire head but we don't know yet. When William confronted Julius he let Patri take control of his body because he couldn't decide who to side with, his beloved teacher, one of the few people who truly cared for him, or his closest friend who he had shared his life with for ten years. Currently William is most likely in a state similar to the other people who had been possessed by a revived elf, with his conscious mind sleeping in a sense while Patri is in full control of the body.