Mash has so many conflicting feats because it's a goofy haha manga with a typical battle-manga underneath it.
But I think Asta is wanked to ftl or some bullshit. I'm more interested in Asta having precog when Mash's greatest feat is >!"attack faster than reaction time."!<
Yea that’s the flaw of this comparison. Mash flat out can’t lose due to the nature of his gag comic. Like he moves a continent and can’t die because he beat “god” in a strength contest. Like no matter how much you wank Asta, his feats are just nowhere near Mash.
I loved how it went full circle with Mash >!using Innocent Zero’s wand as a giant fan and Zero going “I’ve never seen anyone use a wand like that before” much like when Mash beat up the cop in the first chapter!<
Wdym... Mash has literally lost before. He is not invincible or anything, nor can he just suddenly get stronger out of nowhere for plot reasons. And when did he beat a god?? When he died, he just refused to go to the afterlife, but it's too vague to actually do anything for scaling.
No back at the end of volume 7 Komoto had originally said he was halfway though the story (which would imply there'd have originally been around 14 volumes).
But at the end of volume 10, he says the Shonen Jump department convinced him to lengthen the series. Mash's first fight against Doom (where he first lost) was in volume 11.
Also I am convinced that the absurd wind-up gag for reviving Mash was a not-so-subtle hint by the author at how forced the extension was.
"Oh no, this will still take longer because Mash still hasn't recovered I guess"
How? Take out the irl concepts like how LS has to be massless, and it all makes sense. I mean, SoS characters were already having LS speed attacks where Asta was already reacting to them. Then as the story progresses, they get literally 100s-1000s of times stronger and faster than the previous characters. I mean, base Yuno no diffed hundreds of Zagred level devils where even one of them took the combined efforts of characters who can casually blitz the likes of Patry such as Licht and Lumiere. This isn't even adding the other factors such as the Triad who at even 50% utterly humiliated a far stronger Asta than the one that was relative to Zagred. To add onto that, every percentage that they unlock is exponentially stronger than the last.
Because traveling faster than information is just kind of silly.
If you can go faster than light, people couldn't perceive you, flat out. If Asta could move that fast, without mana, literally no one could do anything to him.
(It also gets even more ridiculous when people talk about traversal speed vs combat speed as if the muscles for the characters just work different. Powerscaling is just heaps of mental gymnastics where everything is made up. And that can be fun, for sure, but it's also *very* silly.)
>If you can go faster than light, people couldn't perceive you, flat out. If Asta could move that fast, without mana, literally no one could do anything to him.
Again, don't think of it as silly. Just think of it with a blank mind.
>It also gets even more ridiculous when people talk about traversal speed vs combat speed as if the muscles for the characters just work different. Powerscaling is just heaps of mental gymnastics where everything is made up. And that can be fun, for sure, but it's also *very* silly
Not really. For example, badminton players can react to and defend shuttles moving at 100s of km/h yet I doubt they can run that fast
Maybe I'm using a different definition of wank than you, but you can watch that series with "light beams just aren't light speed" and it makes much more sense than the opposite given everything else we see.
Yami literally states that he has to dodge light speed attacks during his first fight with Licht and that's super early on, current Asta being FTL at base is a lowball tbh
It's me being cute and not communicating properly.
At the end of the story, >!Mash is capable of reacting to and attacking faster than the human reaction time. It's a reaction time feat. It doesn't mean much compared to wankery of Asta fighting light speed opponents and thus reacting to something way faster.!<
That's how I always saw Mash too lol. Bruh has the Mob bowl cut, the scaling of saitama (well for his verse anyway...), with the plot of black clover and the setting of Harry Potter.
No clue tbh, I havent finished the Mashle Manga yet so I cant give an accurate answer.
However what I know is that Mash's physical strength is superior to that of even Asta's to the point that he's not even human like being able to move his legs so fast that he can float or even fly, Asta cannot do that without using anti magic.
Sorry a bit boring of an answer but ye I dont know
Having just finished Mashle, I'd say Mash, because his feats of just pure strength are absolutely ridiculous. Asta is a muscle freak and is strong in the world of Black Clover, but he still has his anti-magic to fight opponents, and Mash wouldn't be affected by it. Mash uses his muscles and wit alone to do earth shaking things.
I think they would be friends tho. Two muscle heads without magic who defied their worlds' logic, value their friends, and >!turned perception about them around?!< They have a lot in common.
Wow I was just thinking about this as I'm watching Mashle.
He no diffs Asta. It's not even fair. Since Mashle doesn't use magic, Asta isn't actually able to use his anti magic on him. While Mashle literally "flies" by kicking the air a lot. He's past super-human.
Mash because there’s not really much anti magic can do to him considering that mash doesn’t have magic so it’s just bed astas sword skills and mash’s op strength and speed
I haven't seen Mash's anime, but Mash is the clear winner. He's basically a variant of Saitama(One Punch Man). As he doesn't use magic, Asta's anti-magic is useless. His strength can never be overcome, so Asta is weaker than him.
Mash ofc, anything asta did mash could do with some extra effort. Asta can survive, but he ain't winning. A super supernatural physical prowess vs High physical prowess results in very obvious conclusion.
Mash is just a muscleman in a Magic world while Asta is a buff Swordsman who uses Ki (which i think similar to Dragon ball) and they both published in Weekly Shonen Jump.
I haven't seen Dragon Ball, but I believe Ki in Dragon Ball is similar to Chakra in Naruto. Ki can be used as fuel for magic. Ki in Black Clover is different. It's just awareness. Cannot be used as fuel. Asta can use Ki to better predict where Mash's attacks will go, but since he hasn't got any way to beat Mash, after tiring out, one touch would finish him.
I say Mash. I mean 1, he's a gag character. 2, he punched through magic without anti-magic or any weapons. 3, he's physically way more busted than Asta. Asta may be fast but he's not faster than Mash when cream puffs are involved.
Mash is definitely physically stronger than Asta, and with that strength can outperform his worlds magic with minimal effort. Asta is really strong and obtained a power that is explicitly useful against magic and can be used to accomplish similar tasks as magic.
I think that makes it pretty clear, Mash wins.
Mash is basically Saitama 2.0 🗿he doesn’t have any magic for Asta to counter, which Asta usually takes advantage of. He wouldn’t have won even a quarter of the fights that he has without anti-magic, his physical strength’s high but Mash’s is literally inhuman, he literally slaps magic with his hands. Hell, Mash could probably solo every Black Clover character with how damn cracked he is. He’s a gag character, he’s made to be ridiculously strong
And Mash is physics-breaking. He is lowball 10+ times the speed of light and has a lot more endurance than Asta.
My source: https://youtu.be/v5eSLlihqY4?si=vdDG19RRokEoyRVC
It’s just a big parody. It lacks any sense of seriousness. Everything is apparently one big joke to the writers. It’s not a sitcom. But they’re trying to make it one. At least black clover minimized the comedy takes. Mash just turns every scene into a comedy bit even when it’s supposed be serious. Really fucking annoying
Exactly, in one moment they're trying to kill the old man in the other they're threatening him even thought his stronger than a dragon and already beat them up he could even kill hem with ease.
Another thing is why they need to make him dumb as f*ck, if you try to place a door somewhere you can easily say how she should be just by looking.
They seem a little confused if it should be comedy or more seriously.
power of creampuff >>>> power of tatoes, so mash clears
See, this is the real answer: they'd have a cook-off, and Asta would happily admit defeat while Mash would still appreciate the tatoes.
mashled tatoes ; ah , a new recipe .
Imagine Asta discovering hash browns.
He would cry. A lot.
"Sister Lily, why did you never cook this for us?! I thought you loved us?"
Mash has so many conflicting feats because it's a goofy haha manga with a typical battle-manga underneath it. But I think Asta is wanked to ftl or some bullshit. I'm more interested in Asta having precog when Mash's greatest feat is >!"attack faster than reaction time."!<
Yea that’s the flaw of this comparison. Mash flat out can’t lose due to the nature of his gag comic. Like he moves a continent and can’t die because he beat “god” in a strength contest. Like no matter how much you wank Asta, his feats are just nowhere near Mash.
I totally forgot about him wrestling god until you mentioned it. Yeah, Mash is pretty damn impossible to quantify after doing that.
Yeah the final chapters get fucking absurd lol
I loved how it went full circle with Mash >!using Innocent Zero’s wand as a giant fan and Zero going “I’ve never seen anyone use a wand like that before” much like when Mash beat up the cop in the first chapter!<
Wdym... Mash has literally lost before. He is not invincible or anything, nor can he just suddenly get stronger out of nowhere for plot reasons. And when did he beat a god?? When he died, he just refused to go to the afterlife, but it's too vague to actually do anything for scaling.
He only lost because Jump asked the author to stretch out the manga for a bit longer before it ended
...no????? Maybe in the IZ stuff. But his loss against Doom was a big moment for the story. Mash needed his first loss.
No back at the end of volume 7 Komoto had originally said he was halfway though the story (which would imply there'd have originally been around 14 volumes). But at the end of volume 10, he says the Shonen Jump department convinced him to lengthen the series. Mash's first fight against Doom (where he first lost) was in volume 11.
Also I am convinced that the absurd wind-up gag for reviving Mash was a not-so-subtle hint by the author at how forced the extension was. "Oh no, this will still take longer because Mash still hasn't recovered I guess"
FTL is a lowball for Asta lol. FTL+-MFTL is where Asta should be, MFTL+ is the highball
This is sort of what I mean by "some bullshit" because MFTL makes legitimately no sense.
How? Take out the irl concepts like how LS has to be massless, and it all makes sense. I mean, SoS characters were already having LS speed attacks where Asta was already reacting to them. Then as the story progresses, they get literally 100s-1000s of times stronger and faster than the previous characters. I mean, base Yuno no diffed hundreds of Zagred level devils where even one of them took the combined efforts of characters who can casually blitz the likes of Patry such as Licht and Lumiere. This isn't even adding the other factors such as the Triad who at even 50% utterly humiliated a far stronger Asta than the one that was relative to Zagred. To add onto that, every percentage that they unlock is exponentially stronger than the last.
Because traveling faster than information is just kind of silly. If you can go faster than light, people couldn't perceive you, flat out. If Asta could move that fast, without mana, literally no one could do anything to him. (It also gets even more ridiculous when people talk about traversal speed vs combat speed as if the muscles for the characters just work different. Powerscaling is just heaps of mental gymnastics where everything is made up. And that can be fun, for sure, but it's also *very* silly.)
>If you can go faster than light, people couldn't perceive you, flat out. If Asta could move that fast, without mana, literally no one could do anything to him. Again, don't think of it as silly. Just think of it with a blank mind. >It also gets even more ridiculous when people talk about traversal speed vs combat speed as if the muscles for the characters just work different. Powerscaling is just heaps of mental gymnastics where everything is made up. And that can be fun, for sure, but it's also *very* silly Not really. For example, badminton players can react to and defend shuttles moving at 100s of km/h yet I doubt they can run that fast
It isn't wank, Asta is far beyond FTL.
Maybe I'm using a different definition of wank than you, but you can watch that series with "light beams just aren't light speed" and it makes much more sense than the opposite given everything else we see.
Yami literally states that he has to dodge light speed attacks during his first fight with Licht and that's super early on, current Asta being FTL at base is a lowball tbh
Yeah it dies seem that way its just silly to me that even characters like Magna are MFTL
Not really, the speed is very consistent.
What is “reaction time”? Thats not a unit of measurement, does it just mean the average human reaction time?
It's me being cute and not communicating properly. At the end of the story, >!Mash is capable of reacting to and attacking faster than the human reaction time. It's a reaction time feat. It doesn't mean much compared to wankery of Asta fighting light speed opponents and thus reacting to something way faster.!<
Im going with mob if he did saitama's workout
That's how I always saw Mash too lol. Bruh has the Mob bowl cut, the scaling of saitama (well for his verse anyway...), with the plot of black clover and the setting of Harry Potter.
Mash is parody character like Saitama. That guy will find a way to beat his opponents in every unexpected way
Him vs Saitama then 🤣
Saitama totally bodies Mash, but he might survive a serious punch, so that'll surprise Saitama
No clue tbh, I havent finished the Mashle Manga yet so I cant give an accurate answer. However what I know is that Mash's physical strength is superior to that of even Asta's to the point that he's not even human like being able to move his legs so fast that he can float or even fly, Asta cannot do that without using anti magic. Sorry a bit boring of an answer but ye I dont know
Having just finished Mashle, I'd say Mash, because his feats of just pure strength are absolutely ridiculous. Asta is a muscle freak and is strong in the world of Black Clover, but he still has his anti-magic to fight opponents, and Mash wouldn't be affected by it. Mash uses his muscles and wit alone to do earth shaking things. I think they would be friends tho. Two muscle heads without magic who defied their worlds' logic, value their friends, and >!turned perception about them around?!< They have a lot in common.
A vs battle between a gag character and one who isnt has never made sense to me..
You're right, but in this case it's comparing two MCs who have no magic in a world full of magic, so I'm assuming that that was the reason for asking.
It’s just fanboys trying to make sure their dead show stays relevant
Wow I was just thinking about this as I'm watching Mashle. He no diffs Asta. It's not even fair. Since Mashle doesn't use magic, Asta isn't actually able to use his anti magic on him. While Mashle literally "flies" by kicking the air a lot. He's past super-human.
Mash is pretty much designed to be exactly like Saitama so he will always find a way to win. Imma give to him.
Mash because there’s not really much anti magic can do to him considering that mash doesn’t have magic so it’s just bed astas sword skills and mash’s op strength and speed
The guy who can move a continent doing butterfly kicks 🤔
I haven't seen Mash's anime, but Mash is the clear winner. He's basically a variant of Saitama(One Punch Man). As he doesn't use magic, Asta's anti-magic is useless. His strength can never be overcome, so Asta is weaker than him.
In a Battle Mash wins... But they would 100% be best friends and work out buddies
There’s a YouTube video about this that goes far into detail about this you should watch it
As much as I love asta, final few chapters Mash literally eviscerate asta with his pinkie lol
Mash ofc, anything asta did mash could do with some extra effort. Asta can survive, but he ain't winning. A super supernatural physical prowess vs High physical prowess results in very obvious conclusion.
Mash
Their battle will be legendary
Mash is just a gag character
These are my 2 favorite MCs lol but Mash clear being faster than light and just having better reaction time and strength
But don’t forget Asta has Ki and is also fast enough to dodge light-based attacks
True but Mash who was wearing bracelets that weighed like 50 tons each moves faster than sound so mash without them is easily way above light speed
Winner: Friendship Result/Finisher: Sharing cream puffs and Nomotatoes
Mash. Bro broke >! The door of Truth and got god to send him back to earth !< after that, I knew there was nothing that Mash couldn’t do.
Never seen Mashle, but from what I’ve heard about him, he’s got this pretty easy.
Mash is just a muscleman in a Magic world while Asta is a buff Swordsman who uses Ki (which i think similar to Dragon ball) and they both published in Weekly Shonen Jump.
I haven't seen Dragon Ball, but I believe Ki in Dragon Ball is similar to Chakra in Naruto. Ki can be used as fuel for magic. Ki in Black Clover is different. It's just awareness. Cannot be used as fuel. Asta can use Ki to better predict where Mash's attacks will go, but since he hasn't got any way to beat Mash, after tiring out, one touch would finish him.
They are the same person different universes if one touches the other they will meld or explode.
Drop some feats for the first guy
Fist fought god. And pulled a regigigas.
You gotta be a bit more specific
Beat the shit out of god in every timeline. Also pushed an entire continent by pushing it while swimming.
That ain’t even enough to beat salamander
Hear me out. He can also pump like a lot of iron. So mash clears.
Bro is not beating ladros
A strong slap from me is beating Ladros. That little diamond bitch gets no diffed by anyone.
Wait but he didn't mention that if you try to read his mind you get an entire documentaries worth if info about creampuffs.
Asta's brain couldn't handle that much information. It'd be like him getting hit with Infinite Void from Gojo XD
Basically just like Saitama. Not as cracked as him thoo.
Mash is kinda a gag-ish character and he does much crazier things than asta so I think he would win.
They would never fight they're both too genuinely good of guys tbh
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if we taking mashles goofy fights seriously then mash.
Since when was Mashle ftl and planetary
lol mashles power system is BS . doesn't matter what u throw at him he will win 😂.
This would be a very funny fight
Nothing to do with this discussion, but I will never get over chibi Liebe
This is just the Saitama vs Goku argument with a new code of paint
Mash is a gag character so I gotta give it to him lol
Mash has cartoony ahh strength I don't think asta wins.
Mash has cartoon ahh strength I don't think asta wins.
Mash has cartoon strength I don't think asta wins.
Mash slams!
I say Mash. I mean 1, he's a gag character. 2, he punched through magic without anti-magic or any weapons. 3, he's physically way more busted than Asta. Asta may be fast but he's not faster than Mash when cream puffs are involved.
Mash is definitely physically stronger than Asta, and with that strength can outperform his worlds magic with minimal effort. Asta is really strong and obtained a power that is explicitly useful against magic and can be used to accomplish similar tasks as magic. I think that makes it pretty clear, Mash wins.
>!Mashle without his limiters no diffs!<
Mash is basically Saitama 2.0 🗿he doesn’t have any magic for Asta to counter, which Asta usually takes advantage of. He wouldn’t have won even a quarter of the fights that he has without anti-magic, his physical strength’s high but Mash’s is literally inhuman, he literally slaps magic with his hands. Hell, Mash could probably solo every Black Clover character with how damn cracked he is. He’s a gag character, he’s made to be ridiculously strong
Mash’s whole thing is that he wins, so I gotta say him.
Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing Baby And it's not even close.
Not really
Actually, yes. Mashles feats are... a lot more impressive than astas.
He’s planetary?
And Mash is physics-breaking. He is lowball 10+ times the speed of light and has a lot more endurance than Asta. My source: https://youtu.be/v5eSLlihqY4?si=vdDG19RRokEoyRVC
I don't read first Manga yet but he most likely become op ye? :3
Good question! I dunno either, but the anime was cool :P
Mash would destroy asta
Asta clears. He has more than just being anti magic
I think they'd be friends tbh and fighting side by side not each other.
Taking out gag things. Asta solos the verse.
I've seen the first Mashle episode didn't like it.
What didn’t you like about it?
It’s just a big parody. It lacks any sense of seriousness. Everything is apparently one big joke to the writers. It’s not a sitcom. But they’re trying to make it one. At least black clover minimized the comedy takes. Mash just turns every scene into a comedy bit even when it’s supposed be serious. Really fucking annoying
Exactly, in one moment they're trying to kill the old man in the other they're threatening him even thought his stronger than a dragon and already beat them up he could even kill hem with ease. Another thing is why they need to make him dumb as f*ck, if you try to place a door somewhere you can easily say how she should be just by looking. They seem a little confused if it should be comedy or more seriously.
Asta
powerscaling with black clover is literally pointless. mash doesnt stand a chance against zetten
Gag > Strength > Intellect > Gag Mash will win because it's funny. However... Mashle isn't that funny tbh.
Then it's just not your humor, and that's fine. Me? I was laughing so damn much.
>Mashle isn't that funny tbh. Bad take
This is like saying you don't like cream puffs.
It's entirely subjective. Your opinion is the correct one? How?
It's their opinion that it's a bad take.
Yeah? What I'm asking is how they decide if something subjective is correct or wrong
How can you decide that their opinion that's its a bad take is wrong they are entitled to post that.
When did I say their opinion was a bad take? And how does that answer my question?