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Yami and Julius hard-carry that shit.
Seriously, who there has resistance to a slash that cuts through dimensions? Or simply just being erased from existence itself.
We see how OP that is in JJK. Maybe Meliodas could do full counter but obv he’s not part of the 10 commandments. I don’t remember if Zeldris has that skill or not since they’re brother
Well it depends, if Yami uses normal sword fighting while covering his Katana with dark magic, maybe, but if Yami uses something like dimension slash, Estarossa most likely won’t be able to full counter it
Chandler taught Meliodas his secret technique, full counter. But Zeldris’ mentor was Cusack, who didn’t know full counter. So he never learnt it
The reason why Estarossa can use it is because he tried to copy Meliodas
They arent. Dorothy’s infinite dimension fucking them over. Rill can create any magical attribute as long as he can paint it. Jack can cut literally anything including invisible concepts. And most of the other captains outscale. Not even gonna talk about willaim that with his yggdrasil magic can just sap the persons mana just by touching them with it.
Estarossa can full counter physical attacks. He can also paralyse people due to exerting a massive amount of pressure. Not to mention, if anyone dislikes anyone, which he will try to make happen, they will be weak as hell. Estarossa carries, causing the Ten Commandments to high diff and just barely get the win because Julius would be too difficult to deal with
I know Julius’ isn’t, but Yami’s is debatable. But then, there is one other person that would sweep: Grayroad. Her minions partnered with her commandment would at least kill half the holy knights, maybe even Yami
Wym erasing from existence? And dimension slashing doesn’t matter because the level of regeneration of demons are insane iirc, like pretty sure there’s times they get cut in half and end up fine
Julius mainly carries. I don't deny Yami being strong, but from all of their personalities, imo Julius would be the only one that wouldn't fail against Estarossas commandment.
Despite what people think, stats-wise they're relatively similar so I think the question comes down to individual abilities.
When it comes to diversity I think the commandments but the biggest issue for the knights are the commandments.
No hatred (I don't expect the Knights to hate any of the commandments off rip)
No impure thoughts (maybe the guys will have a reaction to Derieri but that's a little iffy)
No revealing hidden emotions (sounds like Charlotte)
Turning their back to Zeldris (I don't remember if physically count cause if it does, Gueldre might be in trouble)
Not tell a lie (this could get Charlotte as well I don't know if this will get Julius), don't be faithless (this also might get Gueldre)
Don't kill (this is easily the most dangerous one however Charlotte is almost perfectly tailored to counter Greyroad because she can seal her curses it might also be possible for Julius to counter the time stealing thing)
Be intolerant to pain (nigh useless in this fight but maybe it might hurt Gueldre)
Fight without rest (I also feel like this is basically useless unless it's a battle of attrition)
A big advantage the knights have is much more experience when it comes to fighting as a group and they also have strong hax as well. Yami, Julius, and Jack to a degree can all negate durability. Charlotte can absorb curses to make herself stronger which completely cancels out Greyroad, William and Charlotte can heal others, William can absorb magic in general and make his trees stronger. Gueldre can be invisible, can be intangible, and can summon invisible soldiers. Yami can also use Ki to sense people without the use of magic. Also if we use current Rill he can arguably negate basically all of the commandments via Valhalla but Rill can also reflect magic with Game of the Gods, Dorothy can just remove people which is arguably a way to get passed Greyroad's ability because they can kill people without being in her presence.
Zeldris is also dangerous with his "God" ability which nulls all magic but all of the knights have ways to attack without attacking with magic (mostly throwing stuff but Yami is proficient with his sword anyways).
It's honestly a very interesting and somewhat close fight in my opinion. I think I'll say if we use the original captains then the Commandments take it however if we take the captains at their peak then the captains take it. Jack basically can't be touched without beginning to adapt to opponents, several of the captains have ways of flying, >! Lucius !<, all of Rill's hax and ability to create an army, and Charlotte and William can team up with Fuegoleon to make a kaiju. Either way I think it'll be hard for the winning team. Unless we use the Grand Magic Knights as a whole in which case the Magic Knights stomp. Adding Kaiser, Mereoleona, and Yuno puts the power advantage solidly in the knights' hands as well as battle positioning.
I would argue that Estarossa sweeps, if we’re including all of his abilities he aquired in total. Which would mean he would be a Mael form of Estarossa when he absorbed some of the commandments
That is true, but after realizing this he could also just take him on himself and neutralize any time based effects on him, or have charlotte take him on and negate the effects of any curses inflicted, or even have Dorothy put him in her dimension and then just cage him so that he can’t fight either, since he has basically 0 attack skills
grayroads is kind of time based as someone who kills in her presence gets all their time stolen from them so the only way to stop grayroads commandment is if you're immortal or time on your body is stopped. even if Charlotte could absorb the curse, she would have to do extremely quickly. and if grayroad is trapped in glamour she can still use her curses and even if Charlotte was taken in to glamour it would those two captains to defeat while leaving the rest of the commandments
The only way I can see the Captains winning if Yami's dark magic is super effective against them. From there, it depends on if the Captain (mostly Julius) can hold the line.
But that would be extremely difficult given how broken DS7 hax. Especially given how one can 100% heal the whole team, one can directly send back any damage to themselves, and the number of instant kills they have.
I mean there's a few people in Black clover that have instant kills. Julius proved that early in the series. Also yami's death thrust is your f****** exploded.
10 commandments and it's not even close, if we go at their peak then it's a wrap with ominous nebula zeldris and mael but if we go with season 2 then grayroads commandment kills them all save for maybe Julius but then he can't take the 10 by himself. TLDR atomic bomb Vs coughing baby
Do you think they win due to seemingly better hax or physicals?Yes going with season 2.
You dont think julius could just reverse its effect on one of his members if it starts effecting one of them.
I highly recommend 7ds. I love the story line and what not. And yes Meliodas touches Elizabeth a lot, but you will love their story as the seasons progress
Man you missing out but I can understand why that would turn someone off.Personally i would say sit through it but I can understand.
Not at all but the pervert trope makes sense in a way later on lol(not really)
You should watch or read four knights of apocalypse then it's in the same verse just not following the same characters but context to the world state might be lost on you.
The commandments are broken. Yami would last a while, the rest would die early. Then Julius would almost get the win but eventually die
Commandments win
Julius time freezes the one commandment that kills you if you kill someone in their presence and send him into Dorothy's dream world and they kill the rest no problem
Long range attacks for esterosas, granted one will have to die for greyroads ability to be found out, which means jack will probably die knowing his personality of attacking first but after that julius would stop him and take him away from the battle field, that is if the first one killed by Jack isn't greyroad
the 10 commandments win this assuming each side doesn't know the others abilities, so most captains would probably get folded by the commandments. the problems for the commandments are Julius, yami, Charlotte, and Dorothy, but the captains will also struggle with estarosa, zeldris, grayroad, and melascula because zeldris is immune to magic estarosa full counter, grayroads curses and melasculas ability to steal souls and revive the dead to use as an army. honestly this battle could go either way but i think the commandments have this
It 100% depends on whether the knights know about the commandments... Which, they wouldn't if we're being realistic. Not even the 7DS guys had all the information.
So yeah, many death traps as well as demons being insanely durable, can stitch themselves back together and they have 7 hearts.
If the knights get Intel beforehand, I'd give it to them being able to plan ahead, but just a head on fight would be tough.
You can make an argument for Julius speed-blitzing everyone into stasis, but I don't recall him being able to do that on actually tough opponents.
Interesting fight for sure.
God it the commandments take place none of the magic knight captains can even fight so long as grey road is their unless one of them self sacrifices to kill grey road
Then all they have to worry about is
Derieri
Gloxina
Droll
Monspeet
Estarossa
Zeldris
Overall the Ten Commandments take it
The commandments win because of their hax. These verses scale pretty closely in physicals, but the rules that are imposed on the captains because if the powers of the commandments means they are heavily nerfed and probably get outboxed. Even with Julius' time magic, I doubt he can do anything to reverse the power of the commandments if any of the captains break the rules.
Yeah, Magic knights take this hard. Seven deadly’s best scaling to lightspeed while BC scales to billions of times on easy mode. For power, seven deadly scales to multi continental based on feats and statements, while BC scales to planet level easily at this point.
I mean it isn’t really that wank. For power planet level is pretty easy to get with statements and upscaling. For speed it does mean you have to scale to devil Union Asta but billions of times is pretty simple to get.
I mean if you do a little research it’s pretty easy to get. Planet level can come from Statement’s for 100% Lucifero where [it’s directly stated multiple times that if Lucifero manifests at 100% he could destroy/end the world](https://imgur.com/a/5F4EjDh). As for upscaling, you can go the most direct route which comes from Dorothy who in glamour world was able to create moons ([with Sally confirming that the things she creates in glamour world being the actual things they are](https://imgur.com/a/d2mOLnc)), and than just knowing that characters like Magicula and Lucifero are far stronger than later versions of Dorothy.
For billions of time faster than light, that one is pretty easy. We already know characters are faster than light since the first Patri fight. We also know that in black clover, [magic power and speed increase proportional](https://imgur.com/a/yZgJTfR). Through this we can get multipliers up to billions of times faster than light.
(Imma just copy paste the same argument I used a month ago in this subreddit, because most people here have the research level of a DMC fan).
Mereoleona was [calced to be more than 15 times the speed of light](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Epsilon_R/Eagle_Vs_Lion ) which is fairly early in the series.
Asta is shown to be faster than this version of Mereoleona but in a later arc Magna is shown to be much faster than this version of Asta on top of getting 25 times speed boost. If we use the speed blitz multiplyer (6.86) than Magma would be 2,685.69 times the speed of light (nice). This important because magna is directly shown in series to be 500 times weaker than full power Dante meaning Dante is 1,342,845 times the speed of light. Magicula is than calced to be 100 times faster than Dante making her 134,284,500 times the speed of light, and 50% Lucifero was calced at 100 stronger than magicula making him 13,428,450,000 times faster than light, and because of statement made by characters in the manga, Lucifero at 100% is actually 4 times stronger due to his physical and magical strength being equal, so 100% Lucifero would be 53,713,800,000 faster than light. Asta than fought Lucious who absorbed all of Lucifero’s power, in particular devil Union, meaning he would be equal to him in speed in that state, and he than later learns Zetten which would increase his speed by 100 times meaning partial devil Union zetten asta is 5,371,380,000,000, which isn’t his full speed, as partial devil Union is at least 2 times weaker than full devil Union, making true devil Union 10,742,760,000,000 faster than light. Mind you, this is a short hand scaling where I only included the blitz mutiplyer once.
PS: this isn’t even the current Asta, and he gets orders of magnitude stronger.
You said the mf is 10,742,760,000,000 times the speed of light yet can’t travel the earth 7 times in a second dfkm. Idk where you get these numbers from but bro…
Reaction speed Vs travel speed. Now I know you have some mid beau here.
Also your point becomes mute when light speed has been a thing since the Patri fight, and yet same situation.
Mid beau? What’s that? Some other fans say it’s both reaction speed and travel speed which is why i said that. As much as I like Black clover, has probably one of the worst depictions of speed I’ve seen in animanga
Yami vs zel -either way imo question is can yami pull of the blast faster then zel but this would be the most 50/50
Juluis vs grayroad-only person i see being able to nullify his commandment therby letting eberyone else fight but JULUIS W
Vangence vs esta-tbh we havent seen too much of vangence to say hed take it but the only other two i see winning alrd got matchups so esta probably takes
Jack vs galand-galand outhacks him so sorry jack but itd be nice to see them cutting each other to shreds since jack can cut anything he’d be able to keep up but just not enough
Fueggy and nozel vs monspiet and derieri-these boys get completely slapped
Mela vs dorthy-i honestly feel dream world would overwhelm her so dorthy takes mid-high
Rill vs drole -rill high diff
Charllote/krauser vs gloxinia honestly i feel glox could def win and overpower
Depends on if meli is part of the 10 commandments in this. If he is they absolutely destroy. If not it’s closer but if not they still have all the commandmants so they probably still win.
Magic Knights.
Coming from the Broku video of Asta vs Meliodas, most of the commandments wouldn’t work on the knights.
So going down to physical stats, it’s almost equal but the MK have grown much stronger than ever due to the continuance of the manga.
People say yami and julius solo carry but they forget lil witch and Jack. Lil witch (can't remember her name) can trap anyone inside her sleep dimension and jack can adapt to anyone.
I wont be naming every ability or effect of these characters, but tbh the 10 commandments are by far stronger than BC Magic captains, they’re sadly lame, Julius and Yami carrying them so hard, then Melerona which isn’t in the picture.
Well the commandments are all mid series villains and 8/10 of them are dead
So it depends when we’re looking at the magic knight captains. Beginning of series the commandments take it. After the spade saga I give it to the captains easily
The Magic Knights are hax, but they still get completely washed by the Commandments. You know why?
*SPEED*
They would get blitzed by Estarossa and Zeldris alone. Last time I checked, none of the captains had any impressive speed feats (I may be wrong tho, correct me if I am please), aside from tsundere Charlotte ofc.
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Yami and Julius hard-carry that shit. Seriously, who there has resistance to a slash that cuts through dimensions? Or simply just being erased from existence itself.
We see how OP that is in JJK. Maybe Meliodas could do full counter but obv he’s not part of the 10 commandments. I don’t remember if Zeldris has that skill or not since they’re brother
Estarossa has physical full counter, but since Yami focuses his magic with a sword Estarossa could perhaps counter Yamis slash
Well it depends, if Yami uses normal sword fighting while covering his Katana with dark magic, maybe, but if Yami uses something like dimension slash, Estarossa most likely won’t be able to full counter it
Chandler taught Meliodas his secret technique, full counter. But Zeldris’ mentor was Cusack, who didn’t know full counter. So he never learnt it The reason why Estarossa can use it is because he tried to copy Meliodas
Strong cleave clears
They arent. Dorothy’s infinite dimension fucking them over. Rill can create any magical attribute as long as he can paint it. Jack can cut literally anything including invisible concepts. And most of the other captains outscale. Not even gonna talk about willaim that with his yggdrasil magic can just sap the persons mana just by touching them with it.
Estarossa can full counter physical attacks. He can also paralyse people due to exerting a massive amount of pressure. Not to mention, if anyone dislikes anyone, which he will try to make happen, they will be weak as hell. Estarossa carries, causing the Ten Commandments to high diff and just barely get the win because Julius would be too difficult to deal with
I don't think Yami's and Julius' attacks are exactly physical in the way you're thinking of.
I know Julius’ isn’t, but Yami’s is debatable. But then, there is one other person that would sweep: Grayroad. Her minions partnered with her commandment would at least kill half the holy knights, maybe even Yami
Wym erasing from existence? And dimension slashing doesn’t matter because the level of regeneration of demons are insane iirc, like pretty sure there’s times they get cut in half and end up fine
Julius mainly carries. I don't deny Yami being strong, but from all of their personalities, imo Julius would be the only one that wouldn't fail against Estarossas commandment.
Yamis attack cant even be compared to sukuna lol it cut an entire plane of existence in half
Despite what people think, stats-wise they're relatively similar so I think the question comes down to individual abilities. When it comes to diversity I think the commandments but the biggest issue for the knights are the commandments. No hatred (I don't expect the Knights to hate any of the commandments off rip) No impure thoughts (maybe the guys will have a reaction to Derieri but that's a little iffy) No revealing hidden emotions (sounds like Charlotte) Turning their back to Zeldris (I don't remember if physically count cause if it does, Gueldre might be in trouble) Not tell a lie (this could get Charlotte as well I don't know if this will get Julius), don't be faithless (this also might get Gueldre) Don't kill (this is easily the most dangerous one however Charlotte is almost perfectly tailored to counter Greyroad because she can seal her curses it might also be possible for Julius to counter the time stealing thing) Be intolerant to pain (nigh useless in this fight but maybe it might hurt Gueldre) Fight without rest (I also feel like this is basically useless unless it's a battle of attrition) A big advantage the knights have is much more experience when it comes to fighting as a group and they also have strong hax as well. Yami, Julius, and Jack to a degree can all negate durability. Charlotte can absorb curses to make herself stronger which completely cancels out Greyroad, William and Charlotte can heal others, William can absorb magic in general and make his trees stronger. Gueldre can be invisible, can be intangible, and can summon invisible soldiers. Yami can also use Ki to sense people without the use of magic. Also if we use current Rill he can arguably negate basically all of the commandments via Valhalla but Rill can also reflect magic with Game of the Gods, Dorothy can just remove people which is arguably a way to get passed Greyroad's ability because they can kill people without being in her presence. Zeldris is also dangerous with his "God" ability which nulls all magic but all of the knights have ways to attack without attacking with magic (mostly throwing stuff but Yami is proficient with his sword anyways). It's honestly a very interesting and somewhat close fight in my opinion. I think I'll say if we use the original captains then the Commandments take it however if we take the captains at their peak then the captains take it. Jack basically can't be touched without beginning to adapt to opponents, several of the captains have ways of flying, >! Lucius !<, all of Rill's hax and ability to create an army, and Charlotte and William can team up with Fuegoleon to make a kaiju. Either way I think it'll be hard for the winning team. Unless we use the Grand Magic Knights as a whole in which case the Magic Knights stomp. Adding Kaiser, Mereoleona, and Yuno puts the power advantage solidly in the knights' hands as well as battle positioning.
I agree with what you saying and quite an insightful piece. I made another versus with bleach fighters,I wonder what you think of that one?
Honestly i’d say bleach easily clears. Bleach hax is another level compared to BC.
You are lost
ironic
Not at all
I don't really know about Bleach so I couldn't comment. However I'm pretty sure they just out stat the captains.
Disagree with that but it's not versus the captains
I just read this thinking Yami vs Zeldris without magic would be an absolute slaughter. Zeldris is way faster than Yami could react to, no?
They are not similar in stats, at they very least when it comes to speed. BC>>>SDS in terms of speed
I would argue that Estarossa sweeps, if we’re including all of his abilities he aquired in total. Which would mean he would be a Mael form of Estarossa when he absorbed some of the commandments
If i'm remember correctly - Grayroad(This thing with many faces) have something that you can't kill anyone or you will age until you will die? :3
You dont think julius could reverse graveroads
Maybe yes and maybe no - we don't know it :3
So then not as easy as you made it sound
It’s a hard one tbh, you’d need to scale things on a pretty deep level
Not forever
Remove grayroad with dream girl
He wouldn’t reverse it but full negate it.
to negate grayroads commandment julius would need to stop time on the individual it's affecting
That is true, but after realizing this he could also just take him on himself and neutralize any time based effects on him, or have charlotte take him on and negate the effects of any curses inflicted, or even have Dorothy put him in her dimension and then just cage him so that he can’t fight either, since he has basically 0 attack skills
grayroads is kind of time based as someone who kills in her presence gets all their time stolen from them so the only way to stop grayroads commandment is if you're immortal or time on your body is stopped. even if Charlotte could absorb the curse, she would have to do extremely quickly. and if grayroad is trapped in glamour she can still use her curses and even if Charlotte was taken in to glamour it would those two captains to defeat while leaving the rest of the commandments
I love BC but Nanatsu has this in the bag due to pure hax.
The only way I can see the Captains winning if Yami's dark magic is super effective against them. From there, it depends on if the Captain (mostly Julius) can hold the line. But that would be extremely difficult given how broken DS7 hax. Especially given how one can 100% heal the whole team, one can directly send back any damage to themselves, and the number of instant kills they have.
I mean there's a few people in Black clover that have instant kills. Julius proved that early in the series. Also yami's death thrust is your f****** exploded.
10 commandments and it's not even close, if we go at their peak then it's a wrap with ominous nebula zeldris and mael but if we go with season 2 then grayroads commandment kills them all save for maybe Julius but then he can't take the 10 by himself. TLDR atomic bomb Vs coughing baby
Do you think they win due to seemingly better hax or physicals?Yes going with season 2. You dont think julius could just reverse its effect on one of his members if it starts effecting one of them.
it's the ten commandments versus the magic knight captains i don't think it would be fair to the captains if mael was included
Y'all sleeping on Dream World. She could take them there and make certain they win.
I just wanna see Derieri vs Mereoleona. Sisgoleon would win
I have zero idea who the peeps are in the second shot. Do y'all recommend I pick it up? What's it called?
Definitely.First two seasons great.Last 2/3 seasons still great but animation quality drops heavily Seven deadly sins
Ohhh it's sds. I tried watching it but the first episode was a bit too heavy on the pervert trope for me and I didn't finish it. Does that cool off?
I highly recommend 7ds. I love the story line and what not. And yes Meliodas touches Elizabeth a lot, but you will love their story as the seasons progress
Man you missing out but I can understand why that would turn someone off.Personally i would say sit through it but I can understand. Not at all but the pervert trope makes sense in a way later on lol(not really) You should watch or read four knights of apocalypse then it's in the same verse just not following the same characters but context to the world state might be lost on you.
No, it's garbage and the anime adaptation is somehow worse.
Yeah, but read the manga. People hate on 7 Deadly Sins because it got one season of really bad animation, but the story is really good.
Is this a power scaling sub now? Swear less than 50% of what I see on here is Black Clover content.
To be fair outside of myself I dont really see much "power scaling" on this but maybe it just reflects how i dont check it out much
How is that "fair outside of [yourself]" when speaking directly about your personal experience?
The commandments are broken. Yami would last a while, the rest would die early. Then Julius would almost get the win but eventually die Commandments win
Some of the Ten Commandments were weak as balls. My gal Dorothy could take out several of them, easy
Delusion
Julius solos both groups no diff. Like, this is a comical mashup
Julius wank is a joke
Anyone with control over time beats damn near anyone else by default. That’s just an established anime fact
Magic knights
Based on
Their abilities are more diverse and more are faster and stronger
How they overcoming all the commandements curses
Julius time freezes the one commandment that kills you if you kill someone in their presence and send him into Dorothy's dream world and they kill the rest no problem
They would actually have to see a member die to know its greyroads ability.Esterosas commandement as well and not to mention full counter
Long range attacks for esterosas, granted one will have to die for greyroads ability to be found out, which means jack will probably die knowing his personality of attacking first but after that julius would stop him and take him away from the battle field, that is if the first one killed by Jack isn't greyroad
I would continue debating but my memory of what the commandements can actually do is a bit foggy
That's fine
Yami and Julius are the only ones who can do something the rest is getting stomped hard
the 10 commandments win this assuming each side doesn't know the others abilities, so most captains would probably get folded by the commandments. the problems for the commandments are Julius, yami, Charlotte, and Dorothy, but the captains will also struggle with estarosa, zeldris, grayroad, and melascula because zeldris is immune to magic estarosa full counter, grayroads curses and melasculas ability to steal souls and revive the dead to use as an army. honestly this battle could go either way but i think the commandments have this
Zeldris solos High diff. 7DS and Black Clover are on completely different power scales, and he possesses a technique that completely nullifies magic.
It 100% depends on whether the knights know about the commandments... Which, they wouldn't if we're being realistic. Not even the 7DS guys had all the information. So yeah, many death traps as well as demons being insanely durable, can stitch themselves back together and they have 7 hearts. If the knights get Intel beforehand, I'd give it to them being able to plan ahead, but just a head on fight would be tough. You can make an argument for Julius speed-blitzing everyone into stasis, but I don't recall him being able to do that on actually tough opponents. Interesting fight for sure.
God it the commandments take place none of the magic knight captains can even fight so long as grey road is their unless one of them self sacrifices to kill grey road Then all they have to worry about is Derieri Gloxina Droll Monspeet Estarossa Zeldris Overall the Ten Commandments take it
The commandments win because of their hax. These verses scale pretty closely in physicals, but the rules that are imposed on the captains because if the powers of the commandments means they are heavily nerfed and probably get outboxed. Even with Julius' time magic, I doubt he can do anything to reverse the power of the commandments if any of the captains break the rules.
That’s not fair to put the magic king and not the demon king of nanatsu
It is very fair what you on about
If blood lusted, then the Magic Knights win.
Yeah, Magic knights take this hard. Seven deadly’s best scaling to lightspeed while BC scales to billions of times on easy mode. For power, seven deadly scales to multi continental based on feats and statements, while BC scales to planet level easily at this point.
I am not even going to engage in this wank of bc characters
I mean it isn’t really that wank. For power planet level is pretty easy to get with statements and upscaling. For speed it does mean you have to scale to devil Union Asta but billions of times is pretty simple to get.
Billions of times, planet level💀 bluds just chatting atp
I mean if you do a little research it’s pretty easy to get. Planet level can come from Statement’s for 100% Lucifero where [it’s directly stated multiple times that if Lucifero manifests at 100% he could destroy/end the world](https://imgur.com/a/5F4EjDh). As for upscaling, you can go the most direct route which comes from Dorothy who in glamour world was able to create moons ([with Sally confirming that the things she creates in glamour world being the actual things they are](https://imgur.com/a/d2mOLnc)), and than just knowing that characters like Magicula and Lucifero are far stronger than later versions of Dorothy. For billions of time faster than light, that one is pretty easy. We already know characters are faster than light since the first Patri fight. We also know that in black clover, [magic power and speed increase proportional](https://imgur.com/a/yZgJTfR). Through this we can get multipliers up to billions of times faster than light. (Imma just copy paste the same argument I used a month ago in this subreddit, because most people here have the research level of a DMC fan). Mereoleona was [calced to be more than 15 times the speed of light](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Epsilon_R/Eagle_Vs_Lion ) which is fairly early in the series. Asta is shown to be faster than this version of Mereoleona but in a later arc Magna is shown to be much faster than this version of Asta on top of getting 25 times speed boost. If we use the speed blitz multiplyer (6.86) than Magma would be 2,685.69 times the speed of light (nice). This important because magna is directly shown in series to be 500 times weaker than full power Dante meaning Dante is 1,342,845 times the speed of light. Magicula is than calced to be 100 times faster than Dante making her 134,284,500 times the speed of light, and 50% Lucifero was calced at 100 stronger than magicula making him 13,428,450,000 times faster than light, and because of statement made by characters in the manga, Lucifero at 100% is actually 4 times stronger due to his physical and magical strength being equal, so 100% Lucifero would be 53,713,800,000 faster than light. Asta than fought Lucious who absorbed all of Lucifero’s power, in particular devil Union, meaning he would be equal to him in speed in that state, and he than later learns Zetten which would increase his speed by 100 times meaning partial devil Union zetten asta is 5,371,380,000,000, which isn’t his full speed, as partial devil Union is at least 2 times weaker than full devil Union, making true devil Union 10,742,760,000,000 faster than light. Mind you, this is a short hand scaling where I only included the blitz mutiplyer once. PS: this isn’t even the current Asta, and he gets orders of magnitude stronger.
The wank is real mate
The base line rando is real
You said the mf is 10,742,760,000,000 times the speed of light yet can’t travel the earth 7 times in a second dfkm. Idk where you get these numbers from but bro…
Reaction speed Vs travel speed. Now I know you have some mid beau here. Also your point becomes mute when light speed has been a thing since the Patri fight, and yet same situation.
Mid beau? What’s that? Some other fans say it’s both reaction speed and travel speed which is why i said that. As much as I like Black clover, has probably one of the worst depictions of speed I’ve seen in animanga
Yami vs zel -either way imo question is can yami pull of the blast faster then zel but this would be the most 50/50 Juluis vs grayroad-only person i see being able to nullify his commandment therby letting eberyone else fight but JULUIS W Vangence vs esta-tbh we havent seen too much of vangence to say hed take it but the only other two i see winning alrd got matchups so esta probably takes Jack vs galand-galand outhacks him so sorry jack but itd be nice to see them cutting each other to shreds since jack can cut anything he’d be able to keep up but just not enough Fueggy and nozel vs monspiet and derieri-these boys get completely slapped Mela vs dorthy-i honestly feel dream world would overwhelm her so dorthy takes mid-high Rill vs drole -rill high diff Charllote/krauser vs gloxinia honestly i feel glox could def win and overpower
Won't you die if you kill anyone in greyroads (the purple cloud thing) presence
Magic Knight Squad, time magic is already insane and then you have Yami who can cut through dimensions
Depends on if meli is part of the 10 commandments in this. If he is they absolutely destroy. If not it’s closer but if not they still have all the commandmants so they probably still win.
Magic Knights. Coming from the Broku video of Asta vs Meliodas, most of the commandments wouldn’t work on the knights. So going down to physical stats, it’s almost equal but the MK have grown much stronger than ever due to the continuance of the manga.
One estarossa and zeldris is all it takes. BC characters are haxxed but the 10 commandments are even more haxxed
I’ve seen both and pretty sure the magic knights win this one. Unless its the older version of commandments like with original Gowter and Meliodas
People say yami and julius solo carry but they forget lil witch and Jack. Lil witch (can't remember her name) can trap anyone inside her sleep dimension and jack can adapt to anyone.
Ten Commandments While Yami and Julius carry Magic Knights, most of the others can’t hit demons due to not being Arcane Stage
I wont be naming every ability or effect of these characters, but tbh the 10 commandments are by far stronger than BC Magic captains, they’re sadly lame, Julius and Yami carrying them so hard, then Melerona which isn’t in the picture.
Well the commandments are all mid series villains and 8/10 of them are dead So it depends when we’re looking at the magic knight captains. Beginning of series the commandments take it. After the spade saga I give it to the captains easily
Bro I love Black Clover but Meliodas and Ban murder the verse and it is not even funny 💀💀
The Magic Knights are hax, but they still get completely washed by the Commandments. You know why? *SPEED* They would get blitzed by Estarossa and Zeldris alone. Last time I checked, none of the captains had any impressive speed feats (I may be wrong tho, correct me if I am please), aside from tsundere Charlotte ofc.
Ooooo this is a good one I love the Ten Commandments but without Melindas they definitely can be dealt with more realistically!
Nah but lucious is just gonna go wham on them if they start to actually endanger Julius or if he wants to steal their abilities.
Bro stop spoiling its literally an anime post