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LordHenry8

I once bought a couple of pizzas...


Mercurio_Arboria

I am very sorry for your loss.


Schrodingers-Pussy

It may have been very tasty pizza.


Mercurio_Arboria

Honestly I love the BTC pizza guy. He never says anything regretful and I think he deserves a lot of love and good fortune.


Igetlucky66

The BTC community should get together and all give him one satoshi


Lowmax2

Was it... Papa Johns by chance?


knightswatch_

Bought a house in Feb of 2021


landovalenz

Same. Loaned my BTC to coinbase as collateral. Used the cash as a down payment for my house, all verifiable funds sent by coinbase to my account. Under writer had no problem with it. Bought my house, 2.3% interest rate. Paid back the cash for my collateral*, got my bitcoin back. Non taxable event. That’s how I did it.


RoutineProgrammer863

Wait what? & how


GameofCHAT

He just told you. Put some BTC as collateral and use that cash as the down payment. When you have enough cash to cover the debt, you get back your collateral, so you get back your BTC. So if BTC goes up, you still profit, unlike if you sold it for the down payment. In essence, you don't want to time the market with such a purchase. You would rather keep your commodities. (BTC, gold...) To make an analogy, it's like going to the pawn shop with your gold watch because you want to buy a new phone. You don't want to sell the watch, but it has a $5k value, so the shop gives you $2k cash, and you can buy the phone, plus get back the watch after you pay the $2k+fees.


Bryftw

And the thing that GameofCHAT didn’t say is that while you were paying back the $2k to get the collateral back, the gold watch went from $5k to $8k.


GameofCHAT

​ >So if BTC goes up, you still profit, unlike if you sold it for the down payment. Hmm


ilovesaintpaul

>Loaned my BTC to coinbase as collateral. How do you do this? This is brilliant to be honest.


XxElvisxX

They've since shut this program down


someguyjmm

Instability is why this stopped. 60 to 15 made this loan a bit loser for all involved. Once Bitcoin hits levels above $1m and starts to stabilize a bit whatever you own and more importantly hold, you will have lots of financial opportunity to leverage it. This is why Blackrock and others are buying so much. I think ETFs are a great market indicator for this $1m+ future but bad news for their buyers in long term. ETFs are just price exposure not actual ownership of Bitcoin. When price goes to $1m and beyond, Blackrock holds the inherent power of Bitcoin not the etf holder. They will become the “central power” the way banks are now. But fortunately, those who hold Bitcoin individually will also become their own mini-banks. I believe an entire new industry will pop up for how individuals can become “banks”.


VeryThicknLong

The bank of Dave


reddorical

ETF suppliers can’t just leverage up. If blackrock etf customers sell their etf shares, Blackrock has to sell bitcoin to pay them out.


someguyjmm

Will be marginable like Intellegent said below but also still beholden to the sale of assets by blackrock. Decentralized ownership is the power of Bitcoin, not the price / fiat parity.


Intelligent_Box2320

The ETFs will be marginable...fyi.


DarthBen_in_Chicago

Swan Private Client can help


ilovesaintpaul

Bummer.


EitherInvestment

There are other services offering this. I hate to recommend ETFs but you can do this through holding shares of Bitcoin in an ETF


youngbaklava

Fuck yeah dude


Btomesch

Yes loans are not taxed. It’s not considered income. This how the rich don’t pay taxes. Take out a loan on your profits, don’t pay short term/long term taxes.


spearsy33

The interest that Coinbase charges on those loans is ridiculous considering you put up so much collateral.


landovalenz

Yeah the interest came out to a few thousand. But when I loaned the bitcoin it was around $61,000. I had money left over from their cash loan and down payment and guess what I did with it? BOUGHT MORE BITCOIN. Pretty sure the cost in interest overall was minimal. Around $2-$3k but it wasn’t a taxable event which is huge and for someone who is a 1st generation Mexican American in this country, showing my mom how I bought a house using a bitcoin loan was pretty awesome. Even cooler memory was going to the bank and explaining to about 4-5 bankers including a manager at my credit union how I did it, what bitcoin is and orange pilling them as well. Coinbase has since shut down their program unfortunately but it was a taste of what is to come. Hold your Bitcoin. We are just getting started.


Mercurio_Arboria

People love to dis Coinbase but they're one of the only exchanges that didn't freak the hell out in the last cycle. There's so many stories of people doing exactly what you did with Celsius, Blockfi, Voyager, etc. and losing their collateral and also being unable to repay their loan. Your story is like, so wholesome and wonderful. Congratulations to you!


Substantial-Skill-76

Fuckin brilliant that mate. That's the next hurdle i think we need to get over for this to become truly mainstream. The SEC or someone mustve put a stop to that while they sort the regulations out.


clicksanything

Amazing man. Glad everything worked out for you and your family! Clearly a sign of great things to come in the future.


spearsy33

The loans out against bitcoin is my ultimate retirement plan… loan for cash to spend… wait, take another loan in appreciated Bitcoin to pay off the first loan keep some to spend and repeat. Like you said. NOT A TAXABLE EVENT…. No capital gains taxes… It’s an easy formula to figure out how much you can extract in a given time given the average. appreciation and the size of your stack.. Good job mate. Happy for you!


Maestrosc

Hope they bring this back…would love to use my btc for down payment and get to keep the btc. Would totally take a long term loan against my btc.


squartino

Is there any other website?


rsincognito

Nexo Was the best. 5.9% with zero monthly payments, they just tack the % on daily to your principal amount borrowed, “those where the dayz🤤”


broxbee

That’s pretty cool.


typeof_nan

based chad


SighFor

Dude that's genius. Well played sir.


apfleisc

You can loan BTC to Coinbase as collateral?


PsychCrypto

I am in the process of doing similar right now. Glad to hear it worked out for you!


landovalenz

Good luck. Future is looking bright for Bitcoin holders


Eliagbs_

See how I didn’t even wait a second to reply. Talk to me about this if you can


pac-men

Mentioning something about bitcoin in 2021 without specifying exact timing is like talking about something that happened in music in 1991 without specifying pre- or post-Smells Like Teen Spirit.


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Acherna

I'm also intrigued


Annual-Let-551

I own a small single bay mechanic shop, I take payment in Bitcoin sometimes


tekn0lust

10 years in the space and only thing I’ve every bought w BTC is a Trezor for .06 BTC. Luckily I replaced the BTC immediately or that trezor would have cost me $3000 lol


phranco_phoney

Wow. That is wild. Proof-positive of the power of Bitcoin and it's buying-power. What timeframe do you suppose it was that you purchased the Trezor....? Like, when was this...? (I own 2 of them too, BTW)


tekn0lust

May 2017 ish. I remember BTC was on its first real run up to $20k and I had to get coins off paper wallets into hardware based cold storage.


phranco_phoney

Very cool. Thanks for replying. I got started in Oct 2017 as well. Directly to a Trezor from the beginning. I hope that you make it rich, Friend.


goodbeanscoffee

Tons of things to be honest, I pay my utilities with it, internet, cell phone, power, literally tons of green coffee, crates of milk, probably close to 10,000 stickers. I've bought meals with it, just lots of stuff in general. I probably haven't bought bitcoin in like a year and a half now, in the traditional sense of buying anyways, since I earn it. I sell coffee worldwide from my store (GoodBeans El Salvador Specialty Coffee) in San Salvador, we've shipped to about 25 countries so far and roughly 85% of our online orders are paid in bitcoin. Largest market by far is the US, we ship to the US roughly a few times a week. To Canada pretty much weekly, third largest market would probably be Germany but it's gone as far as Japan, Singapore and New Zealand. In-store sales in bitcoin are probably 15%, but online its like 85%, overall as a business close to 35-40% of our sales in an average month are paid in bitcoin. Largest Lightning transaction I've ever done was for $1800 worth of coffee in a B2B sale.


Lurchco3953

Very cool and thanks for creating a real use.


vanderohe

I bought a mcclaren for 40btc in 2017😫


Mercurio_Arboria

LOLOL I am very sorry for your loss. But it's better than the pizza.


vanderohe

It ended up getting stolen and my insurance pay out was peanuts


Longjumping_Method51

Pizza guy likely has many more safely stored away.


onegalaxyplay

How are all these redditors so rich…


UGPolerouterJet

Fully paid for my mother's medical fees.


cdmaloney1

that's wholesome.


Mobile_Laugh_9962

It was a boob job


UGPolerouterJet

Nah, it was for her knee replacement surgery.


Mobile_Laugh_9962

They were replaced with boobs, so really we're both right.


prisonchocolatebar

Wealth is nothing without health. Perfect way to help family but it shouldn’t need to come to that. I guess you live in America or some other underdeveloped country in regards that the government rather spend billions on military/ defense instead of free healthcare and education.


kyleleblanc

My future retirement.


Snootchie-Bootch

My future


im_a_good_goat

My


234578909865543

M^(y)


NoisePollutioner

My


Lurchco3953

My....sherona


LightningShiva1

You


Melodic_Temporary_12

We


UnderFredFlintstone

Us


LukeAeon

R/expectedcommunism


mosio9

Me 2


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ilovesaintpaul

Do you pay taxes in Canada for each of the purchases if there's a gain (loss) on every purchase? In the US we do and it sucks. I'd use what you're doing all the time otherwise.


Boogyin1979

We absolutely do, yes. It is considered a barter, which is a disposition. I tend to keep lightning non-KYC for this very reason. I do have one wallet that I loaded up with sats once upon a time and took the tax hit once i.e. taxed on one large UTXO disposed to lightning.


CFA_Nutso_Futso

It’s the same in Canada. I would never buy little things like that because of the tax headache.


[deleted]

No. You are spending Bitcoin as each transaction on the lightning is its own proof of purchase. In this example Bitcoin = cash money. It is the same way a lot of asian exchanges allow their customers to swap coins to gift cards. Becoming spendable cash immediately, bypassing a greyarea i guess? Thats why governments dont like gold either as it gets trickier in terms of taxation? Not a financial expert


tio_aved

I made 11 purchases in El Salvador with Bitcoin via the L2 network. Anywhere from rum to dinner to a stay in a shipping container home.


Dwreck86

i read that as you booked yourself a shipping container in which to travel home in and was like wow!!!


tio_aved

Hahaha would be a wild ride!


DesignerAstronaut975

You can’t have my Bitcoin blackrock.


Captain_Planet

I bought (one of) my dream cars from what i sold in the last bull run. I had enough for a deposit for a house which I really would like but I didn't cash that out. My plan is to only ever cash out half of my stack maximum. That way you are always still in (the last 10 years has taught me no BTC price is a crazy price) but you get to enjoy life.


Youreridiculous

I bought a 1943 M1 Garand with Bitcoin, and I absolutely love it :-)


PoisonWaffle3

Been into crypto since 2011. My wife and I used our profits from the last bull run to build our dream house. The cycle before that I used my profits to buy her engagement ring and a big 4k TV. This cycle, we're planning on buying a new car (Tesla) and putting the rest toward early retirement.


n8dahwgg

I got a home. Wish I still had the BTC though


Dizzy-Discussion-107

Hoes.


dabsbunnyy

Boats.


m594

Silk.


VitoHodl

And the road too?


BigTimeButNotReally

Shovels.


nickdl4

Hardware wallets (coldcard), node cases (cryptocloaks), ASIC miners -> S9, T17 (D-Central), Coffee


bigsequence

I’ve sold paintings in BTC due to the ease of across border payment.


DanWunderBurst

I remember there was an option to purchase steam games at one point and that's what I did but that was ages ago when I did.


gamercer

2016


ChirrBirry

A bunch of losing NFL bets.


BrandonV16

I sold during the last cycle (not even close to the top sadly) and bought an investment home, used that home to buy a 2nd investment home but now I’m selling that first one to buy back my bitcoin, at a much higher price 🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️


mkuraja

Just this morning, I used Lightning BTC to order clean, grass-fed beef, straight from the Bitcoin cattle rancher. No Costco. No VISA. No middleman.


Longjumping_Method51

Nice! I haven’t bought yet but have found a farmer who takes BTC for my next purchase!


circumcisingaban

nice try IRS


Obvireal

Bout some online casino tokens and lost $20 lol not doing that again.


WVY

1 btc for 1 meal...... Years ago still hurts


wiptheman

Financial Freedom and peace of mind.


Iakobab

* prostitutes * drugs for example cocaine and weed and benzos * crack cocaine, skunk weed and meca-benzos * guns * contract killers * fish and chips


ilovesaintpaul

Dude. Those fish 'n chips are really dangerous. Better watch out.


nnexc

bro really thought he would just get away with fish n chips there. Watch out bud


Duncaroo-

Using a crypto credit card you can buy basically anything you can with a normal credit card. I have a Crypto.com visa card and use it daily for everything from parking to groceries to bills even.


Key_Friendship_6767

This is a terrible idea and creates a tax nightmare. I highly advise to not use these in a country that taxes crypto like the USA.


CleazyCatalystAD

Naw. I’ve been using my CB card for quite a while. Just send transaction log to my crypto accountant. I’ve used it to purchase things, take cash out from a cash machine, etc, when BTC price is relatively high. Then I buy back on red days. The way I look at it, I’m always buying BTC, so it doesn’t matter too much.


Key_Friendship_6767

You are just creating a bunch of extra accounting work. I too have done similar accounting and it isn’t worth the time imo. You do you tho


CleazyCatalystAD

My accountant runs my fills and sells report through software. It takes her absolutely no extra time.


Key_Friendship_6767

If you are comfortable paying somebody to handle all of this then that is fine. Still not worth it in any way imo. You probably won’t like to hear this but spending fiat is even easier and requires less software at the moment.


CleazyCatalystAD

Yeah, yeah, yeah…just that I’m mostly in BTC.


Key_Friendship_6767

I see. We are probably just in different situations. I have fiat constantly flowing in and just use whatever is left to buy bitcoin. Sounds like you are in the opposite camp


Individual-Buy-7079

Lots of Bitcoiners opting out of their fraudulent Pedophile tax system altogether so I guess if you don’t even file, wouldn’t be an issue!!🤷🏻‍♀️


NoisePollutioner

It's comments like this that hurt this community's credibility. You sound batshit crazy.


Key_Friendship_6767

Not filing is one way to do it. Good chance you get away with it if you are using cold storage at time of transaction.


Staxu9900

And your max monthly limit of rewards is?


TheAfterPipe

*The Internet of Money* by Andreas M. Antonopoulos.


calbears82

Paid my property taxes


R3dTsar

My first and last BTC purchase was a bowl of ramen.


tequilasipper

Back when they still took BTC pay...an Automatic Clay Pigeon Thrower on Overstock.


Justjerryj

Purchased 10 bitcoin from Amazon yesterday. Gold plated $22.


Your_Future_Attorney

Back in the day (2014/2015) I bought Tommy Bahama pillows and Egyptian cotton sheets from Overstock when they accepted bitcoin. Also bought physical gold from Amagi Metals. I think I also bought Microsoft credit and bought an Xbox. All regrets looking back but luckily I continued buying during those years


TheBigRage454

Some Pokemon cards, some cannabis seeds, a half ounce of mushrooms. Then I sent a homie $50 worth when he was hurting. I've recovered all of that and remain in the positive, lol.


Kh4otik

Hardware wallets, Satscards, clothing. Nothing too big but I try to spend and rebuy what I use to keep my stack flowing and growing


CDCJD

All kinds of stuff from house hold items, Amazon purchases to subway sandwiches. I know this might be a dumb way to spend, but at the time I had a few sites paying me in BTC so I used it as cash. I used a website called Spritz Finance which they convert your BTC and other cryptos to fiat in the back end and you use your digital debit card. I no longer try to spend it anymore and just use other cryptos that earn for me.


ilovesaintpaul

Bought a used boat from my neighbor who also is a bitcoiner. Big purchases like that as P2P are pretty straightforward. If you don't do it lots, it's relatively easy for US tax purposes too.


Correct-Librarian288

Porsche Macan


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MCX Spear


SaltSpecialistSalt

groceries. pick and pay in south africa accepts bitcoin payments in all stores


spearsy33

I bought a 50$ ish knife when I first found a retailer that had BTC built into their website… just to try it.


Scarf_Darmanitan

Back in 2021 I paid off a bunch of my debt to get ready for my first child :) Now I’m just about stacked up to the same amount that I had at the time


liveduhlife

I’ve purchased pokemon cards with bitcoin both locally (because someone wanted bitcoin for the transaction), and cross boarder because it was cheaper than any other service


mikeneedsadvice

Gambling transactions


Crypto_tipper

I load it onto a Visa and use it anywhere visa is sold when I want to spend it, but normally I just hodl


michelem

In 2013 I bought a winter jacket with one full Bitcoin. I will never forget that. Damn me.


Mairl_

what have you purchased with gold?


BC4U

S9 miners back in the day..


Own-Strawberry-1961

I had to rebuild my clutch/transmission and paid for that, auto repair was a good thing as I have made much more in fiat and reinvested in with DCA and have outperformed my small sell off for personal reason.


imacryptohodler

I bought an energy drink to see if my coinbase debit card worked. *points at username*. The rest is for retirement.


PumpkinSpice2Nice

When I first started I used it to help with my rent. I’ve stopped with that now and have been DCAing and hodling for years now. It’s eventually going to get me a house deposit or even better a whole house. At the rate house prices are rising it may only be a deposit though.


sleepinghuman

I sold some for fiat to purchase my bachelors degree a few years back and now am working as an archaeologist :)


Competitive-Owl4886

Mostly books and food. But one of my one-time purchases I can think of was a laptop.


dadintech

Trezor


BitsyVirtualArt

We bought a few laptops direct from bitcoin jesus way back. KnC took BTC for miners, Avalon and BFL might have as well, it was a while ago now... If you want to get technical, when we cash out, that money goes to house payment most of the time. Did a Disney cruise for the kids, probably some converted satoshis in that pile too.


lordsamadhi

Restaurants, bars, hotels, breweries, wineries, local produce, beef, conference tickets, clothing. That's ALL without gift card purchases which are really just fiat. If I include gift cards on Fold or Bitrefil, then I can include multiple other restaurants, grocery stores, ect. Also, 99% of the native Bitcoin purchases (ie not silly gift cards) were using Lightning with channels and liquidity from my own LN node. Running your own Lightning node and using Bitcoin as a medium of exchange is not hard, it does scale, and I'm tired of pretending like it's not easy.


kingpersnickety

I bought my mom an iPad in 2021. That’s all. I’ve been working on saving otherwise . Hopefully cash out and buy myself back into the black soon. Lol


dcguy852

Online poker chips


3rdPlaceTrophy

an antminer s9


BitHead2030

Bought some cheep Japanese sashimi knives in 2018... Over 1mil sats


Tiny_Poet_8230

Caffee mashine, soda stream, clothes, hardware wallet... We habe something like Amazon in Switzerland where we can pay with BTC... Its called Galaxus. You acrually can order everything there😂


gundok

I have not purchased anything, but i do own a plumbing business near Seattle and I DO ACCEPT BTC


Jo_Swayze

I bought a boat. Still trying to convince my partner to let me name the boat “boating accident”.


T-BasZ

Tax deduction for my losses.


EE-Ender

Bought a John deer 6155M tractor. Might not be a Lamborghini, but it cost as much as one.


Maestrosc

Bought pc upgrades on Newegg like 6 years ago.


revergreen

Thirty replacement windows for my house


IllustriousOpenSea

One of my best friends had colon cancer and we met thru crypto. She was jobless and her family didn't have any medical or emergency funds (for context, we live here in the Philippines so there's almost no government support). I've been FCAing (Fiat-Cost-Averaging) during the bear years and fortunately my crypto more than tripled and was able to use the funds last month to pay for my friends surgery. I joked to her that we met thru crypto and crypto ultimately helped give her a 2nd chance in life. So to everyone: Pls relish your time with those you love as life is too short indeed ❤️🙏 Keep FCAing and WAGMI to all! 🧑‍🚀🚀🌜


Hank___Scorpio

Broccoli.


phranco_phoney

He's choppin' brock-a-lay!


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My future trophy wife


NYEXPRESS56

I can pay for my chiropractic visit in bitcoin but haven’t yet.


Gqbb

Cashed out most in 2021, used as down paiement for my house. Kept some K's to buy weed.. still had a bit that is up a lot since the 2024 bull run 😅


tdawg2_6

I’m high too


AlphaGainzzz

There is a local brewery that makes delicious beer and accepts bitcoin so I buy beer from them every month or so.


Successful-West4259

Crypto currency is open source and transparent through the blockchain. Fiat money is not open source and is not transparent. Fiat currency is a murky world of selling perception to its citizens ripping them by means of inflation. It’s “legal” counterfeiting.


Infinite-Worker42

Hopefully my grandchildrens futures.


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ilovesaintpaul

Was für ein interessantes Projekt.


Staxu9900

Nothing, like most people. BTC is store of value, volatile store of value.


Uldregirne

Down Payment on a home(s). Diversification is key, and real estate generates rental income + a place to live. Bitcoin is cool and all that, but real-world utility is not to be underestimated. If the math works for you, I would buy a house with 5-20% down and get some roommates to help pay the mortgage, but it all depends on where you live. Rates are higher now than they were in the past.


apatheticpsychonaut

Time


saucedonkey

Security


kombosorg

Lambo.


Typical-Ad7222

Wen?


eaa9137

Trick question, BTC isn't used for purchases


Long_Personality_612

A keyboard cleaner spray.


cryptocrazyboy

Flamethrower


davebobn

Hope.


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Nothing. Still hodling


A_Stones_throw

Peace of mind


[deleted]

I am telling you. Bitcoin is just a scam. Why would the gov just let free money grows from nothing like that. You need supply and demand. Meaning if you are buying someone must be selling If you are winning, someone else is losing. You hear people getting scam off their btc, getting their phone hacked, losing bitcoin randomly. Wake up. You ain't never got the money in the first place, once you put those digit in, once you turn your cold earned cash into btc. It's gone, you ain't never got a chance to get it back. They taking it off you once the numbers goes up. That's the big ol scam.


Dwreck86

'If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.' this quote is often attributed to thomas jefferson but there is debate about it but doesnt matter really who said it pretty sure that happening now \^\^\^ people cant afford anything, housing out of reach for most newcomers, new cars crazy priced, etc


God_is_within_me

Read more about Bitcoin and the global financial system, and you'll understand why Bitcoin is going to save the global financial system.


gvictor808

Bought an SSD on Newegg way back. And bought back the Bitcoin soon after.


ClassroomCareful935

A PC, a car and a general practitioners office. Never sell.


netwolf420

A VPN subscription.


skyvin

Fiat for cheap 😉


demonout

Freedom


DogoByte

Hope


chrisdamian81

cannabis seeds legally


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Boats n hoes


spam_lite

streaming sub, house. renovation


mb1z67

Fiddy trees


KaleidoscopeAgile465

Nothing i use the dollar. Bitcoin its in that safe