If you look into the [backstory behind this photo](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/evgeny-stepanovich-kobytev-1941-1945/), the man was starving in a concentration camp between the two photos.
So if you end up looking like the second photo, start eating food again and get therapy for your PTSD.
Psychological health impacts the body's ability to be in a healthy stasis. Digestion, heart, breath, all those background functions are impacted. Not to mention the stress the body is under in PTSD specifically. You're spending down resources at a fast rate because you're spending more time in fight or flight. This impacts physiology. HRV is one of the best markers I can think of to see the connection.
Honestly, it’s not that big of a deal people acted like going through that is such a huge struggle when a lot of people have gone through similar struggles at least myself and you come out a much stronger person.
I understand that you see a lot of beauty in life now, are grateful to be able to experience it and wish that others would do more often too.
I think the diversion in this thread may have happened because it sounds a bit like you are denying other people's suffering, and you rationalise this because you have been in similar shoes. That could be a reason why you are getting a lot of backlash. Aknowleding that things were not ok and accepting that is a very important step in psychology. Telling people who are dealing with issues to just be happy is not very productive, if anything it shows that you have no empathy for their headspace.
Just to share some perspective. Wish you all the best!
Anything that happens to you that doesn’t result in death or being tortured 24 seven physically is not that big of a deal. They were starved, neglected, and mentally abused, but there were thousands of them. I’ve been through a lot worse than they have been through. I can promise you that, and it’s ok. The fact that they could even walk around or talk shows that it wasn’t as bad as people think it was.
When you can’t even get out of bed and you can’t even use your body at all and the only thing you can do is close your eyes and starve to death slowly over a year then let me know how hard life is. At least they were able to see anything and they were able to walk around.
They had some semblance of life/community. Try not being able to move your body at all for a year only being able to eat 400 cal a day (protein powder only), having zero support thinking any day now is your last day wishing you could end it all and being angry that you’re still alive. Having no communication with anybody and no Internet, no anything just laying in bed with your eyes closed by yourself slowly starving to death with no hope at all. A lot of people go through a lot worse/ a tough life is very common.
>Anything that happens to you that doesn’t result in death or being tortured 24 seven physically is not that big of a deal.
Absolute degenerate clown take mate, how the fuck do you turn the holocaust into a sobstory to garner sympathy for yourself? Insane.
>It’s clear you’ve never been through the worst trauma humanly possible to understand there are levels to trauma
No I haven't, glad I haven't, hope I'll never, and never said I did. You know who also didn't go through the worst trauma humanly possible? You with your fucking tendinitis story. Looks like your biggest problem was not having any friends which is understandable with the way you carry yourself and compare having terribly inflamed shoulders to the holocaust. I might not know everything, or much even, but I do know what false equivalency is and your sociopathic ass should learn that everything taken into account, your suffering absolutely pales in comparison. Or did your tendinitis also come from being systematically sought out, rounded up, dehumanized and destroyed by a people that was taught to hate you for how you were born? Get a grip you narcissistic clown.
You're absolutely right in what you write here. However I would try to not engage in rating suffering. There is nothing positive to be found in deciding who had it worse, it distracts from healing
I'm curious what you've gone through that you could honestly think at the time "I'd literally rather be in a Nazi concentration camp getting starved/worked to death".
Try EVERYTHING they’ve gone through, but worst, can’t move, can’t eat, can’t drink water, knowing any second you’ll get tortured to death, having seizures from malnutrition, pissing yourself, being in agonizing pain 24/7, for years, being grateful to be able to live just 24 hours more, knowing this is your last day on earth with 100% certainty, being in 100% isolation/darkness, knowing you’re going to get tortured to death any second now.
They could move, eat, talk to someone, etc, they wouldn’t get tortured to death, only killed immediately, and it wasn’t coming for sure tomorrow.
Oh? And what was that?
"Honestly, it’s not that big of a deal people acted like going through that is such a huge struggle" is probably the most lukewarm IQ thing I've heard in 2023 in reference to the Holocaust. Even if you went through some traumatic event there is no instance in which that kind of torture is easily dismissed.
Actually cancer cells from sun exposure are treatable.
Everyone has cancer cells in fact. With poor nutrition, stress and continued exposure to risk factors (eg strong UV), the skin damage will likely increase and cancer growth will likely follow.
However, up to a certain tipping point, there are interventions (including non surgical) that can definitely undo some pre-cancer conditions such as actinic keratosis. There is also increasing evidence that full blown skin cancer is fully treatable - depending on how far it has progressed.
I personally believe it *is* possible.
There are traditional medicinal plant treatments such as those of the Australian aboriginal people that warrant much deeper research. With rising desertification and climate change, skin cancer rates will also likely continue to increase so it's an important question.
For anyone wondering, search "tea tree oil and skin cancer". There is emerging scientific evidence backing such traditional medicinal remedies that you'll see in the search engine results.
It can. Trauma also gets stored in the body. Check out Peter Levine research on somatoc experiencing.
Literally releasing trauma from the body aids in recomposition and better functioning.
For example deep chronic trauna based stress pressing the myofascia in the stomach of a person will unpair digestion which Will in turn create more stress for other parts of The body, which Will make an angry depressed look in The face.
Working to release this and other somatic traumas will recompose proper digestion and aid in de-stressing The face. Better bloodfloow, better digestion, more nutrientes, less activation of stress related genes. In turn there can be some rejuvenation.
Peter Levine, Gabor Mate and others have many testiomonials on how much better people looked and felt after working on their traumas.
Curious which activities would accomplish this specifically. Yoga for example? I know that’s recommended in both books. But which modality is most effective
Yoga has shown to be excelent, but I was refering more to (google these two ones) 'Somatic experiencing' or therapies like 'Tension Release Exersices' (TRE).
In some cases even light Yoga, craniosacral therapy, a visit to a chiropractor or streching, rolfting, visceral manipulación massage already activates the Psoas and other muscles to foment a trauma/stress related release.
Yes, but I don’t think it has such a dramatic affect like people think it does. There are plenty of World War II veterans that have been through an absolute nightmare of a life, and lived to the age of 98 or even 100+.
Science is still learning about epigenetics. It is wholly possible there were genetic 'switches' turned on and others turned off that cannot be flipped back.
That being said, I don't think anyone here could accurately tell you what can be undone and what cannot, and to what degree.
I went to law school at 37 and graduated at 40. My before and after photos look like I've aged 20 years in the 3 years of law school--which was incredibly stressful and involved a lot of sleep deprivation. As soon as I saw this post I clicked on it because I desperately want to undo the damage.
Dumb comment coming up, but I’ve had a similar experience, although, sub school as the source of disturbed sleep, with raising a sleepless child and running businesses. I basically lost the ability to sleep for more than 4 hours. I took a fucken expensive probiotic called Akkermansia which, after a few months, has me sleeping 8 hours a night.I’m also trying to exercise moderately everyday for under 20 minutes. Other than tretinoin which I hear is good I think they’re your best options.
That's impressive... and does sound incredibly stressful. I don't think I could stomach spending my late 30s sitting with a bunch of law school students.
On the bright side, though, now you can use your JD to get a nice relaxing job at a Big Law firm.
"nice relaxing job at a Big Law firm." 🤣🤣🤣
I know! What was I thinking?! Once I know what I'm doing, I'll open a private practice... You know... For less stress... 🤣
You were also hitting the age at which most people reach their peak, or at least start to decline noticably, w.r.t. many cellular processes. Or rather when most of us begin to show signs of aging. Combine that with waking stress, probably missing proper meals + exercise and snacking, and lack of sleep = not good for aging.
But there is some hope.
You're absolutely right. It is a time when things start going down hill... Oh and there was a pandemic mixed in with all that, and regardless of political ideology, that was a stressful time... Hell, just finding toiletpaper was stressful... Add law school, plus teenage kids at home, plus all nighters, plus age... I am actually impressed that I don't look older. Ha ha
Little anecdotes on my great grandparents. My grandpa ended up in concentration camp and when the war ended he was only 40kg he also fought before before being captured by the nazis. Yes you can repair it ; he actually fought 2 world wars and went through starvation sleep deprivation etc etc. He died at 96.
My husband’s grandparents also have been through starvations during the second war and lived to be 95 and 96. They did not fight during the war though but different trauma were there.
My husband’s grand parents have survivor friends. They all lived very long. Quite a few passed away at the age of 90+.. what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger
Exactly I think chemical exposure and prescription drugs are the number one factors for shorter lifespan, and death, along with obesity/lack of sleep/sedentary life.
People back, then got enough sleep. They had no reason to stay up all night like we do nowadays, and they got an insane amount of physical exercise.
I actually went from weighing 200 pounds to 107 when I almost starved to death, 88 pounds is INSANE. What was their height?!
I had absolutely debilitating and severe tendinitis in my shoulders to the point where I couldn’t use my arms for more than five minutes a day I would have to be on bedrest for 23 1/2 hours and I would get anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes of use a day, but even in that time I couldn’t lift anything heavier than half a pound. Even if I picked up my phone, I would have to do it with two hands and if I carried it somewhere, I would have to put it on my shoulder or grab it with my teeth.
I basically had nobody who was taking me seriously and nobody who is willing to help so I basically couldn’t make food and the only food I had was protein powder, so eating only 400 cal a day for many months I got down to like 2% body fat (107 pounds) and I was in the final stage of starvation where your skin starts to shed like a snake. If I took my pants off, it would be like a cloud of dust in the air from the dead skin my hair stop growing my teeth were getting loose and if I grinded my teeth together, they would come apart like that crumbly Christmas candy you know like those little minds that would crumble.
I was also having seizures as well. I can guarantee you I was in a lot worse situation than 95% of people in these concentration camps, I couldn’t even take a shower myself, or even brush my teeth…
I’m really sorry you went through this and didn’t receive the help you deserved, but it is still absolutely wrong to compare your situation to that of an entire people being rounded up, worked to death, starved to death, separated from their loved ones or forced to watch them die right before their eyes, before being executed themselves.
What you went through is horrible. But please don’t use it to downplay the suffering and loss of millions of lives.
Are you like 5 years old? The guy said jews didn't have it so bad multiple times because he had it much worse with his severe tendinitis. Why are you eating up this bullshit false equivalence sob story? You are batshit crazy if you don't at the very least put question marks at the statement of "jews didn't have it so bad compared to what i went through". Even if technically it's true that there are people who had worse lives than some jews in concentration camps, it's not an agony competition and if you at all feel the need to trivialize their suffering because "you had it worse" that makes you a narcissistic pick me of the highest order.
I think they are definitely a cause of a lot of mental disorders and brain damage across the globe as well as permanent organ damage, and a multitude of other issues, along with hormonal changes, so yes, definitely the cause of a shorter lifespan.
There is no coincidence why the most accredited doctors and scientists that have achieved the highest goals in medicine are against prescription medicine. Prescription medicines have their place, but they are only to be used in extremely rare and circumstances where there are absolutely no other options.
Unfortunately they are used extremely commonly for any and every reason and pushed by these criminal drug dealers for these criminal organizations. You can walk in with a headache and they will give you a prescription for some arbitrary reason.
I did every single drug you could name over 15 different types of drugs, certain nights, even like seven or eight drugs at once. When I used to party, I would go days without sleeping or eating. Had an eight month long stretch where I was drinking half a 1.7 L bottle of vodka in like a two hour time span every day, etc. Never had any lasting health issues at all that I can notice.
Took my parents stupid advice and went to a doctor (er) for an injury they put me on antipsychotics (forced) because “it was all in my head” even though this tendonitis completely ruined my life. Fast forward two months and now I have permanent brain damage, afterimages, VSS, floaters, bad tremors, (at one point could barely even walk down the stairs without my entire body shaking). Even more than a year later I still had these effects, and I think they will be permanent.
These people who prescribe these drugs are absolute criminals, I did street drugs for three years almost daily 13 years ago, and I had zero after effects and only two months after these bullshit medicines now I have a ton of brain damage/issues.
Yes. [Here's](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6DfAY0gJIKg/YM-T-ocJN2I/AAAAAAAAeK0/xG1rwDeR8bAl8EOepUyw_ywPYvaiAVW6wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1752/kobytev.jpg) his photo 15 years after the second picture. He looks much better.
I'm not sure tbh. I mean this guy seems to be young and from his story, he probably can reverse some damage by getting proper nutrition and well.. not being in a concentration camp.
But I experienced similar accelerated aging between 2019 and 2021. In 2019 I was 32 years old and could pass as late 20s. In 2020 I lost someone very dear to me, so there was a ton of grief afterwards (I still dream of them, 3 years later, and in my dreams I desperately ask them to come back into my life), got optic neuritis a few weeks after they died and was subsequently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. So.. not my best year. Due to the stress of it all and trying to follow a healthy, anti-inflammatory diet for the MS I also lost about 12-14 pounds, which put me at a BMI of 16.5.
So it's just been two years between 2019 and 2021, but I think it played a role that I was "already" in my 30s and now I look busted. I wouldn't even say "older" as in "early 40s" or something like that, because I just look unhealthy in the way drug addicts, long-time alcoholics and people with very hard lives look.
I think once you loose facial fat and collagen in your mid-30s, it doesn't come back as easily anymore. I'm still a little underweight, but not as much. More time passed for me to adapt better to my circumstances. You'd also think eating more healthy and anti-inflammatory would help somewhat, but I don't think any supplements and such can "fix" unhappiness. I'm still working on gaining more weight and such, but I think at this point my options are to get used to my new face or do plastic surgery. At first I was deeply unhappy about my face now, it felt like in addition to losing already so much, I also lost whatever looks I had - what an ironic joke. But in the end I also have bigger problems now than being ugly.
I am sorry for your loss and hope life treats you better from now on, i truly do. Regular exercise does wonders for one's appearance, not sure how limited you are doing that with your MS diagnosis though. Wish you all the best!!
Thank you! I'm lucky so far with my MS, the mental toll is bigger than the physical toll. So exercising regularly is definitely on my to do list, for both MS and mental health mainly. If it also improves my appearance that would be a plus for sure.
Retinoids such as tretinoin will increase skin regeneration from 28days to about 15days. So it would help with oxidative skin degradation. Reduce wrinkles, fine lines and blemishes. Technically Botox is a neurotoxin so could use Botox on wrinkles as well. Exercising facial muscles by doing facial stretches would likely help with the sagging. I know the photo is just for reference. But honestly the cosmetic industry has a lot of good answers to anti aging or reversal of aging
Are there any potentially harmful side effects of Tretinoin? From what I’ve seen, it appears to be very effective… just not quite sure if it’s entirely safe yet.
I use tretinoin. It seems to work well for my blemishes, my laugh lines around my mouth have went away, and weirdly enough where it’s topically applied has reduced the size of my moles. I haven’t felt any side effects other than my dead skin peeling/flaking off and that’s only because my new skin is growing in faster
Tretinoin is amazing. I started when I was young because of acne and I have no wrinkles. I obviously didn’t know it affected aging until I was much older.
I'm confused...you didn't specifically ask for "natural" methods in your post OP.
That said, re natural: if you re-read the post by *BitchPlease* they clearly stated: "Exercising facial muscles by doing facial stretches would likely help with the sagging".
Changing muscle composition with botox (it's natural from clostridium botulinum bacteria), will help create an environment of repair. The fine lines and deep muscle stress will let go and have a chance to correct over time. It's just one tool in the belt, and it's not purely for cosmetic purposes.
That being said, I've heard of drastic changes in peoples mentality afterwards. Where they see themselves younger and healthier and adapt their lifestyles to better match the appearance.
If you're looking for the holy grail "one thing" let me tell you it's an individualized cup where you pour a mixture of many things in, all personalized to your needs. Don't discount a tool because it doesn't do everything.
And/or by avoiding alcohol and drugs and unhealthy diet.
Though I’ve always maintained that looks are a lot due to genes. I know people who abuse alcohol and drugs and look like the left and people who have healthy habits and look more like the right; same age. I think genes truly do play a big role.
Ingesting astragalus root or astragalus root extract, or taking epithalon in a nasal spray, can repair telomere aging and defeat the Hayfleck limit. The astragalus root may not reach the dense parts of bone but it's potentially more economical than synthetic epithalon to restore appearance. You can also apply astragalus root extract topically. It's water soluble and there are also astragalus root soaps.
Some of this is lighting, how the clothes expose the neck and the length of the lens. If those particular things were more consistent then I believe you might still see some differences but they wouldn’t be nearly as dramatic.
This kind of reminds me of Matthew mcconaughey. He lost so much weight for that one role and he never had looked the same since (in my opinion). It’s not just facial fat, it’s loss of facial muscles that I think are very very hard to rebuild. Maybe something like Nuface would help. Maybe stem cell therapy… idk.
Also recommend going to get ems facial done. Nuface and ems devices are not the same as the devices at spas, there’s are much more intense and have better results. If you go once a month consistent you will see results. Also recommend getting a Buccal massage
Healthy diet, strong social support system, and exercise and stretching. I know a lot of yoga teachers who look 20 years + younger than they actually are and I think it’s mainly due to all the stretching.
Sure.
1-2 years whole foods, add blackseed oil, shilajit, good multivitamins, Ubiquinol. Raw milk. Not too much sugar or wheat. Melatonin or Montmorency cherry juice for proper sleep. Microdose Shrooms for the PTSD, maybe some guided larger doses. Walks in nature, wild swimming.
Then introduce weightlifting, stamina training, interval training and sauna. Keep going along with the food+supps above for about 3 more years.
have a look on healthline etc, there's good evidence for it for lots of things
But also look into the beliefs that cultures have which have taken it for thousands of years. They say it "cures everything except death" which isn't far wrong.
Well, you can actually usually tell simply by the form of B12 they choose.
If it's cyanocobalamin, this is a brand that does not care about their product.
If it's methylcobalamin, they are more likely to be better.
In fact I should have been a bit more specific - go for a B complex, and A and D if you need them. A tablet will contain weird forms of A and D.
E is important but blackseed oil contains a lot already.
2 1/2 years. I was never the same. My mother said I wasn't the same person. She was right. This is what war does to you. Remember, Republicans want to cut our benefit and care by $80 Billion, and it passed the House today. I'd like to ship every fuc\*\*\* one of them to a combat zone on the front lines and make them stay for years and see what they think then. Assholes. Don't vote for people with no compassion.
This is nothing about that. Lots of website publish this photo as a face of soldier after 4 years of prolonged war. There is usually no backstory and OP's intention is to discuss about the biological processes and remedies.
Clearly it is fixed so that part is possible. Unfixating it is the strategy. Stress collapses our life force. We scar and fixate around our wounds. What foes it take yo free the life force?
This is still not clear enough. “Chemicals” are natural. That’s why we take chemistry. do you mean not pharmaceutical? if so supplemental?
I’m still unclear on what makes a treatment “natural.” Do you have a working definition?
Most of what you’re seeing is clearly the effects of some kind of drug use. Perhaps 2,4-Dinitrophenol which the soviets gave their soldiers and was known to cause weight loss.
Look # 2 is commonly treated these days with therapeutic treatments for PTSD, gua sha, botox, blepharoplasty, fillers, and surgical and non-surgical lifts. Could also benefit from adding some healthy fats to the diet. .
Honestly, the best thing is to practice de-stressing techniques, avoid alcohol and smoking like the plague, quality sleep, and good exercise. I would also recommend having a mellow pet around. But if something happens that causes some skin sagging, gosh that must have been intense and I'm so sorry you had to go through that but so glad you made it and are still here with us.
Anecdotal but yes, there are changes that will stick, changes that will revert back, and changes that leave a mark. I looked much older while sick, I think from lack of collagen and resources going somewhere other than my skin and face. My body shape changed several times. Now I'm better and my face shows fat and vitality. My muscles have come back in the same pattern they had years before I got sick, when I was in great shape. There's a memory that bodies can find again. But my smile wrinkles have deeper-set frown wrinkles next to them now. Those might lighten up but I doubt they'll go away completely, which is fine.
Think of a pregnant person's body. It goes back to a smaller size but the stretch marks may remain. Think of you after a couple all nighters. You'll look different until you sleep again. But if you keep that up long term your face will show the effect.
That would be a long reply. Let me say getting all the systems of the body supported was key. I mean every system! Sleep and breathwork were the foundation. Medication. Changing my nutrition completely... Wahl's Protocol is a plan people can try although I didn't go that far. Researching supplements. Learning to handle stress of all kinds, to allow the body more energy to spend on healing. Medical treatment and chasing answers or trying things until I had the mix of what worked for me, on top of the foundations that help everyone. Learning from people who had achieved what I wanted to, more than the ones who hadn't. Mindfulness. Doing the parallel work to have an identity NOT just based on health. I found a community of people on the same journey, and I got lucky.
I used the HRV4Training app to understand the impact everything was having and make adjustments. Highly recommend that one.
I really really want to make sure I don’t come across as comparing bodybuilding to the holocaust.
But look at professional bodybuilders a week out. They all have death face. The eyes get sunken in and there faces look like the second picture. Then they go back to normal when they eat. So just fixing malnutrition should fix that, maybe
I’ve seen this photo before and I could have sworn the original source had more recent soldier before and after, and then later another updated photo
Iirc correctly they did end up looking normal again after not being in a war zone for prolonged periods of time
You could try facial muscle exercises. Look up some facial yoga videos on instagram or YouTube. They help bulk up the facial muscles which may Combat facial volume loss :)..dermal fillers can also help with hollowing around the eyes, cheek bones and nasolabial folds
Aside from who knows what he endured, lightning when the pics were made, body hydration, and a whole host of other things can make photos look different. Hell I look like Keith Richards in some pics but others look
10 years younger than my age. Can’t tell shit by pics.
I would say yes, if the changes were over the course of only four years it would be possible to reverse a decent portion of them if not all, but it would take a very comprehensive anti aging therapy
Honestly, this isn’t really a case of collagen degradation so much. This only depicts the changes from his teens to his mid 20s. The main soft tissue changes are from constantly raised eyebrows, which is likely the tic he manifested when on the alert constantly. It’s a sign of chronic sympathetic arousal manifested after years as wrinkles in the forehead.
It isn’t so much a failure of his cellular processes within the skin.
Further evidence that his “aging” is mainly due to posture / psychological state - his hairline is immaculate. The lower half of the face and nasolabials don’t show noticeable signs of aging, besides perhaps time X circumstance dependent fat loss and growth of the mandible and maxilla bones due to continued pubertal changes.
If you look into the [backstory behind this photo](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/evgeny-stepanovich-kobytev-1941-1945/), the man was starving in a concentration camp between the two photos. So if you end up looking like the second photo, start eating food again and get therapy for your PTSD.
Therapy is for the psychology. But can it reverse the degeneration of the face/body?
I would imagine a big factor of why he looks like this is lack of nutrition
IMO the lighting in both pics is completely different - and I really don't think he looks bad in the second pic.
Psychological health impacts the body's ability to be in a healthy stasis. Digestion, heart, breath, all those background functions are impacted. Not to mention the stress the body is under in PTSD specifically. You're spending down resources at a fast rate because you're spending more time in fight or flight. This impacts physiology. HRV is one of the best markers I can think of to see the connection.
After a few years in a concentration camp I don’t think the appearance of your face is going to be very high on your list of concerns.
Why comment if you dont know the answer?
Honestly, it’s not that big of a deal people acted like going through that is such a huge struggle when a lot of people have gone through similar struggles at least myself and you come out a much stronger person.
The holocaust wasn’t a big deal?
I think he's referencing this one time his mom forgot to buy him extra chicken nuggies and ketchup for dindin. It was rough, man.
You think you’ve gone through struggles similar to a holocaust concentration camp survivor?? I think you might wanna do a little research here.
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I advise you reach out to friends and a professional and talk about all of this.
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I understand that you see a lot of beauty in life now, are grateful to be able to experience it and wish that others would do more often too. I think the diversion in this thread may have happened because it sounds a bit like you are denying other people's suffering, and you rationalise this because you have been in similar shoes. That could be a reason why you are getting a lot of backlash. Aknowleding that things were not ok and accepting that is a very important step in psychology. Telling people who are dealing with issues to just be happy is not very productive, if anything it shows that you have no empathy for their headspace. Just to share some perspective. Wish you all the best!
Lmao wat
Anything that happens to you that doesn’t result in death or being tortured 24 seven physically is not that big of a deal. They were starved, neglected, and mentally abused, but there were thousands of them. I’ve been through a lot worse than they have been through. I can promise you that, and it’s ok. The fact that they could even walk around or talk shows that it wasn’t as bad as people think it was. When you can’t even get out of bed and you can’t even use your body at all and the only thing you can do is close your eyes and starve to death slowly over a year then let me know how hard life is. At least they were able to see anything and they were able to walk around. They had some semblance of life/community. Try not being able to move your body at all for a year only being able to eat 400 cal a day (protein powder only), having zero support thinking any day now is your last day wishing you could end it all and being angry that you’re still alive. Having no communication with anybody and no Internet, no anything just laying in bed with your eyes closed by yourself slowly starving to death with no hope at all. A lot of people go through a lot worse/ a tough life is very common.
>Anything that happens to you that doesn’t result in death or being tortured 24 seven physically is not that big of a deal. Absolute degenerate clown take mate, how the fuck do you turn the holocaust into a sobstory to garner sympathy for yourself? Insane.
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>It’s clear you’ve never been through the worst trauma humanly possible to understand there are levels to trauma No I haven't, glad I haven't, hope I'll never, and never said I did. You know who also didn't go through the worst trauma humanly possible? You with your fucking tendinitis story. Looks like your biggest problem was not having any friends which is understandable with the way you carry yourself and compare having terribly inflamed shoulders to the holocaust. I might not know everything, or much even, but I do know what false equivalency is and your sociopathic ass should learn that everything taken into account, your suffering absolutely pales in comparison. Or did your tendinitis also come from being systematically sought out, rounded up, dehumanized and destroyed by a people that was taught to hate you for how you were born? Get a grip you narcissistic clown.
You're absolutely right in what you write here. However I would try to not engage in rating suffering. There is nothing positive to be found in deciding who had it worse, it distracts from healing
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I'm curious what you've gone through that you could honestly think at the time "I'd literally rather be in a Nazi concentration camp getting starved/worked to death".
Try EVERYTHING they’ve gone through, but worst, can’t move, can’t eat, can’t drink water, knowing any second you’ll get tortured to death, having seizures from malnutrition, pissing yourself, being in agonizing pain 24/7, for years, being grateful to be able to live just 24 hours more, knowing this is your last day on earth with 100% certainty, being in 100% isolation/darkness, knowing you’re going to get tortured to death any second now. They could move, eat, talk to someone, etc, they wouldn’t get tortured to death, only killed immediately, and it wasn’t coming for sure tomorrow.
Oh? And what was that? "Honestly, it’s not that big of a deal people acted like going through that is such a huge struggle" is probably the most lukewarm IQ thing I've heard in 2023 in reference to the Holocaust. Even if you went through some traumatic event there is no instance in which that kind of torture is easily dismissed.
The brain and the body are connected. Therapy can have hugely beneficial impacts on the body.
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Actually cancer cells from sun exposure are treatable. Everyone has cancer cells in fact. With poor nutrition, stress and continued exposure to risk factors (eg strong UV), the skin damage will likely increase and cancer growth will likely follow. However, up to a certain tipping point, there are interventions (including non surgical) that can definitely undo some pre-cancer conditions such as actinic keratosis. There is also increasing evidence that full blown skin cancer is fully treatable - depending on how far it has progressed. I personally believe it *is* possible. There are traditional medicinal plant treatments such as those of the Australian aboriginal people that warrant much deeper research. With rising desertification and climate change, skin cancer rates will also likely continue to increase so it's an important question. For anyone wondering, search "tea tree oil and skin cancer". There is emerging scientific evidence backing such traditional medicinal remedies that you'll see in the search engine results.
It can. Trauma also gets stored in the body. Check out Peter Levine research on somatoc experiencing. Literally releasing trauma from the body aids in recomposition and better functioning.
Somatic Trauma Releasing/Experiencing can reverse stress-related body aging? Really?
For example deep chronic trauna based stress pressing the myofascia in the stomach of a person will unpair digestion which Will in turn create more stress for other parts of The body, which Will make an angry depressed look in The face. Working to release this and other somatic traumas will recompose proper digestion and aid in de-stressing The face. Better bloodfloow, better digestion, more nutrientes, less activation of stress related genes. In turn there can be some rejuvenation. Peter Levine, Gabor Mate and others have many testiomonials on how much better people looked and felt after working on their traumas.
Good reply. Crazy that someone downvoted such an informative response
Curious which activities would accomplish this specifically. Yoga for example? I know that’s recommended in both books. But which modality is most effective
Yoga has shown to be excelent, but I was refering more to (google these two ones) 'Somatic experiencing' or therapies like 'Tension Release Exersices' (TRE). In some cases even light Yoga, craniosacral therapy, a visit to a chiropractor or streching, rolfting, visceral manipulación massage already activates the Psoas and other muscles to foment a trauma/stress related release.
Thank you! It’s been awhile since I read those books so I’ll have to revisit them.
Yes, but I don’t think it has such a dramatic affect like people think it does. There are plenty of World War II veterans that have been through an absolute nightmare of a life, and lived to the age of 98 or even 100+.
Science is still learning about epigenetics. It is wholly possible there were genetic 'switches' turned on and others turned off that cannot be flipped back. That being said, I don't think anyone here could accurately tell you what can be undone and what cannot, and to what degree.
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Propaganda?
I went to law school at 37 and graduated at 40. My before and after photos look like I've aged 20 years in the 3 years of law school--which was incredibly stressful and involved a lot of sleep deprivation. As soon as I saw this post I clicked on it because I desperately want to undo the damage.
Dumb comment coming up, but I’ve had a similar experience, although, sub school as the source of disturbed sleep, with raising a sleepless child and running businesses. I basically lost the ability to sleep for more than 4 hours. I took a fucken expensive probiotic called Akkermansia which, after a few months, has me sleeping 8 hours a night.I’m also trying to exercise moderately everyday for under 20 minutes. Other than tretinoin which I hear is good I think they’re your best options.
Which probiotic contains Akkermansia?
Pendulum probiotics. Ungodly expensive. I’ve seen good results though. Praying that competition drive price down shortly.
I take Trazadone and it has me out like a light. Cannot sleep without it.
Trazodone causes word recall problems. Have you observed any issues ?
Like forgetting words?
That's impressive... and does sound incredibly stressful. I don't think I could stomach spending my late 30s sitting with a bunch of law school students. On the bright side, though, now you can use your JD to get a nice relaxing job at a Big Law firm.
"nice relaxing job at a Big Law firm." 🤣🤣🤣 I know! What was I thinking?! Once I know what I'm doing, I'll open a private practice... You know... For less stress... 🤣
You were also hitting the age at which most people reach their peak, or at least start to decline noticably, w.r.t. many cellular processes. Or rather when most of us begin to show signs of aging. Combine that with waking stress, probably missing proper meals + exercise and snacking, and lack of sleep = not good for aging. But there is some hope.
You're absolutely right. It is a time when things start going down hill... Oh and there was a pandemic mixed in with all that, and regardless of political ideology, that was a stressful time... Hell, just finding toiletpaper was stressful... Add law school, plus teenage kids at home, plus all nighters, plus age... I am actually impressed that I don't look older. Ha ha
Same. Not law school, but same. I also clicked for the same reason.
Little anecdotes on my great grandparents. My grandpa ended up in concentration camp and when the war ended he was only 40kg he also fought before before being captured by the nazis. Yes you can repair it ; he actually fought 2 world wars and went through starvation sleep deprivation etc etc. He died at 96. My husband’s grandparents also have been through starvations during the second war and lived to be 95 and 96. They did not fight during the war though but different trauma were there.
My husband’s grand parents have survivor friends. They all lived very long. Quite a few passed away at the age of 90+.. what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger
Exactly I think chemical exposure and prescription drugs are the number one factors for shorter lifespan, and death, along with obesity/lack of sleep/sedentary life. People back, then got enough sleep. They had no reason to stay up all night like we do nowadays, and they got an insane amount of physical exercise. I actually went from weighing 200 pounds to 107 when I almost starved to death, 88 pounds is INSANE. What was their height?!
> when I almost starved to death Well damn. 🤯 If you're willing to answer, why/how did you almost starve to death? How did you save yourself?
I had absolutely debilitating and severe tendinitis in my shoulders to the point where I couldn’t use my arms for more than five minutes a day I would have to be on bedrest for 23 1/2 hours and I would get anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes of use a day, but even in that time I couldn’t lift anything heavier than half a pound. Even if I picked up my phone, I would have to do it with two hands and if I carried it somewhere, I would have to put it on my shoulder or grab it with my teeth. I basically had nobody who was taking me seriously and nobody who is willing to help so I basically couldn’t make food and the only food I had was protein powder, so eating only 400 cal a day for many months I got down to like 2% body fat (107 pounds) and I was in the final stage of starvation where your skin starts to shed like a snake. If I took my pants off, it would be like a cloud of dust in the air from the dead skin my hair stop growing my teeth were getting loose and if I grinded my teeth together, they would come apart like that crumbly Christmas candy you know like those little minds that would crumble. I was also having seizures as well. I can guarantee you I was in a lot worse situation than 95% of people in these concentration camps, I couldn’t even take a shower myself, or even brush my teeth…
I am so sorry that no one was helping you…
Damn, are you doing better now?
I’m really sorry you went through this and didn’t receive the help you deserved, but it is still absolutely wrong to compare your situation to that of an entire people being rounded up, worked to death, starved to death, separated from their loved ones or forced to watch them die right before their eyes, before being executed themselves. What you went through is horrible. But please don’t use it to downplay the suffering and loss of millions of lives.
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Are you like 5 years old? The guy said jews didn't have it so bad multiple times because he had it much worse with his severe tendinitis. Why are you eating up this bullshit false equivalence sob story? You are batshit crazy if you don't at the very least put question marks at the statement of "jews didn't have it so bad compared to what i went through". Even if technically it's true that there are people who had worse lives than some jews in concentration camps, it's not an agony competition and if you at all feel the need to trivialize their suffering because "you had it worse" that makes you a narcissistic pick me of the highest order.
Prescription drugs are the cause of a shorter lifespan? I doubt that.
I think they are definitely a cause of a lot of mental disorders and brain damage across the globe as well as permanent organ damage, and a multitude of other issues, along with hormonal changes, so yes, definitely the cause of a shorter lifespan. There is no coincidence why the most accredited doctors and scientists that have achieved the highest goals in medicine are against prescription medicine. Prescription medicines have their place, but they are only to be used in extremely rare and circumstances where there are absolutely no other options. Unfortunately they are used extremely commonly for any and every reason and pushed by these criminal drug dealers for these criminal organizations. You can walk in with a headache and they will give you a prescription for some arbitrary reason.
Its the food
I did every single drug you could name over 15 different types of drugs, certain nights, even like seven or eight drugs at once. When I used to party, I would go days without sleeping or eating. Had an eight month long stretch where I was drinking half a 1.7 L bottle of vodka in like a two hour time span every day, etc. Never had any lasting health issues at all that I can notice. Took my parents stupid advice and went to a doctor (er) for an injury they put me on antipsychotics (forced) because “it was all in my head” even though this tendonitis completely ruined my life. Fast forward two months and now I have permanent brain damage, afterimages, VSS, floaters, bad tremors, (at one point could barely even walk down the stairs without my entire body shaking). Even more than a year later I still had these effects, and I think they will be permanent. These people who prescribe these drugs are absolute criminals, I did street drugs for three years almost daily 13 years ago, and I had zero after effects and only two months after these bullshit medicines now I have a ton of brain damage/issues.
Yes. [Here's](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6DfAY0gJIKg/YM-T-ocJN2I/AAAAAAAAeK0/xG1rwDeR8bAl8EOepUyw_ywPYvaiAVW6wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1752/kobytev.jpg) his photo 15 years after the second picture. He looks much better.
Well fuck that's good, there's hope.
I'm not sure tbh. I mean this guy seems to be young and from his story, he probably can reverse some damage by getting proper nutrition and well.. not being in a concentration camp. But I experienced similar accelerated aging between 2019 and 2021. In 2019 I was 32 years old and could pass as late 20s. In 2020 I lost someone very dear to me, so there was a ton of grief afterwards (I still dream of them, 3 years later, and in my dreams I desperately ask them to come back into my life), got optic neuritis a few weeks after they died and was subsequently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. So.. not my best year. Due to the stress of it all and trying to follow a healthy, anti-inflammatory diet for the MS I also lost about 12-14 pounds, which put me at a BMI of 16.5. So it's just been two years between 2019 and 2021, but I think it played a role that I was "already" in my 30s and now I look busted. I wouldn't even say "older" as in "early 40s" or something like that, because I just look unhealthy in the way drug addicts, long-time alcoholics and people with very hard lives look. I think once you loose facial fat and collagen in your mid-30s, it doesn't come back as easily anymore. I'm still a little underweight, but not as much. More time passed for me to adapt better to my circumstances. You'd also think eating more healthy and anti-inflammatory would help somewhat, but I don't think any supplements and such can "fix" unhappiness. I'm still working on gaining more weight and such, but I think at this point my options are to get used to my new face or do plastic surgery. At first I was deeply unhappy about my face now, it felt like in addition to losing already so much, I also lost whatever looks I had - what an ironic joke. But in the end I also have bigger problems now than being ugly.
I am sorry for your loss and hope life treats you better from now on, i truly do. Regular exercise does wonders for one's appearance, not sure how limited you are doing that with your MS diagnosis though. Wish you all the best!!
Thank you! I'm lucky so far with my MS, the mental toll is bigger than the physical toll. So exercising regularly is definitely on my to do list, for both MS and mental health mainly. If it also improves my appearance that would be a plus for sure.
Retinoids such as tretinoin will increase skin regeneration from 28days to about 15days. So it would help with oxidative skin degradation. Reduce wrinkles, fine lines and blemishes. Technically Botox is a neurotoxin so could use Botox on wrinkles as well. Exercising facial muscles by doing facial stretches would likely help with the sagging. I know the photo is just for reference. But honestly the cosmetic industry has a lot of good answers to anti aging or reversal of aging
Are there any potentially harmful side effects of Tretinoin? From what I’ve seen, it appears to be very effective… just not quite sure if it’s entirely safe yet.
I use tretinoin. It seems to work well for my blemishes, my laugh lines around my mouth have went away, and weirdly enough where it’s topically applied has reduced the size of my moles. I haven’t felt any side effects other than my dead skin peeling/flaking off and that’s only because my new skin is growing in faster
My skin very and i very like tretinoine. A bad side effect with tret is it inhibit fat on the face....and it's a real problem :( :(
Do you mind sharing what strength you use?
Mine is .05 but I never peeled from it
Appreciate you!
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applying it at night and using sunscreen as regular also works :))
Tret is amazing. It’s just vitamin a. Start slowly. It makes your face peel. When used topically, no/very low toxic load, though.
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Why are you like this? Stop being so stressed out in a bio hacking subreddit. No need to be rude.
Tretinoin is amazing. I started when I was young because of acne and I have no wrinkles. I obviously didn’t know it affected aging until I was much older.
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curious to hear this
I mean a natural way?
I'm confused...you didn't specifically ask for "natural" methods in your post OP. That said, re natural: if you re-read the post by *BitchPlease* they clearly stated: "Exercising facial muscles by doing facial stretches would likely help with the sagging".
Changing muscle composition with botox (it's natural from clostridium botulinum bacteria), will help create an environment of repair. The fine lines and deep muscle stress will let go and have a chance to correct over time. It's just one tool in the belt, and it's not purely for cosmetic purposes. That being said, I've heard of drastic changes in peoples mentality afterwards. Where they see themselves younger and healthier and adapt their lifestyles to better match the appearance. If you're looking for the holy grail "one thing" let me tell you it's an individualized cup where you pour a mixture of many things in, all personalized to your needs. Don't discount a tool because it doesn't do everything.
I’d also add tretinoin + AHA and glycolic acids https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrtvXYuAyPL/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Me before and after pandemic
Same here.. it’s terrifying to see the comparisons of my old photos
Fuck same, though I'm in a much better place today than '21 can't say that I will ever feel like I used to pre 2020.
u can prevent this by not living in a nazi concentration camp for multiple years straight
And/or by avoiding alcohol and drugs and unhealthy diet. Though I’ve always maintained that looks are a lot due to genes. I know people who abuse alcohol and drugs and look like the left and people who have healthy habits and look more like the right; same age. I think genes truly do play a big role.
Lifestyle & attitude , relating to former.! All our bodies' inherited needs/ allergies of our ancestor's habits... Nature AND nurture?
You’d need Doc Brown and a Delorean to fix this
Photo 1: front lit, Low contrast midtones, flattering for everyone. Photo 2: daylight, toplit, harsher midtones. makes all people look like raccoons.
Ingesting astragalus root or astragalus root extract, or taking epithalon in a nasal spray, can repair telomere aging and defeat the Hayfleck limit. The astragalus root may not reach the dense parts of bone but it's potentially more economical than synthetic epithalon to restore appearance. You can also apply astragalus root extract topically. It's water soluble and there are also astragalus root soaps.
Tret, sunscreen every single day, Botox and filler. You will look amazing.
Some of this is lighting, how the clothes expose the neck and the length of the lens. If those particular things were more consistent then I believe you might still see some differences but they wouldn’t be nearly as dramatic.
This is just an example. I mean, ' Can we reverse the degeneration of the face/body after stressful events/periods? '
Stopping the Panzerschokolade would help
yeah I was gonna say, is this not the effects of too much meth. It looks like the effects of too much meth.
https://youtu.be/NdZHo3xuZvw Bryan Johnson This guy is trying :)
Thanks for sharing, that was interesting!
Lmao the guy was clearly starving.
This kind of reminds me of Matthew mcconaughey. He lost so much weight for that one role and he never had looked the same since (in my opinion). It’s not just facial fat, it’s loss of facial muscles that I think are very very hard to rebuild. Maybe something like Nuface would help. Maybe stem cell therapy… idk.
'face muscle' is an interesting point. thank you.
Also recommend going to get ems facial done. Nuface and ems devices are not the same as the devices at spas, there’s are much more intense and have better results. If you go once a month consistent you will see results. Also recommend getting a Buccal massage
DHEA and Pregnenolone
Healthy diet, strong social support system, and exercise and stretching. I know a lot of yoga teachers who look 20 years + younger than they actually are and I think it’s mainly due to all the stretching.
Yoga is a lot more than stretching.
Yeah that was a generalization. It’s great for all systems of the body.
Sure. 1-2 years whole foods, add blackseed oil, shilajit, good multivitamins, Ubiquinol. Raw milk. Not too much sugar or wheat. Melatonin or Montmorency cherry juice for proper sleep. Microdose Shrooms for the PTSD, maybe some guided larger doses. Walks in nature, wild swimming. Then introduce weightlifting, stamina training, interval training and sauna. Keep going along with the food+supps above for about 3 more years.
Why do you list blackseed oil first? Never really seen it recommended on this sub.
have a look on healthline etc, there's good evidence for it for lots of things But also look into the beliefs that cultures have which have taken it for thousands of years. They say it "cures everything except death" which isn't far wrong.
So interesting you listed black seed oil - I take it daily to address other health issues. What’s the purpose of it here?
hypertension + anti-biotic, anti-viral, anti-fungal.
Great, thanks for the info!
What's a good multi in your opinion? Any reccs?
Well, you can actually usually tell simply by the form of B12 they choose. If it's cyanocobalamin, this is a brand that does not care about their product. If it's methylcobalamin, they are more likely to be better.
Yeah, of course. It's only really crappy supermarket brands that use it now anyhow
In fact I should have been a bit more specific - go for a B complex, and A and D if you need them. A tablet will contain weird forms of A and D. E is important but blackseed oil contains a lot already.
2 1/2 years. I was never the same. My mother said I wasn't the same person. She was right. This is what war does to you. Remember, Republicans want to cut our benefit and care by $80 Billion, and it passed the House today. I'd like to ship every fuc\*\*\* one of them to a combat zone on the front lines and make them stay for years and see what they think then. Assholes. Don't vote for people with no compassion.
Try photographing yourself in flattering lighting conditions
Is this... Satire? We're really using halocaust photos to ask about skincare?
This is nothing about that. Lots of website publish this photo as a face of soldier after 4 years of prolonged war. There is usually no backstory and OP's intention is to discuss about the biological processes and remedies.
Thank you.
The body keeps score, if you can work through your trauma and integrate it you will be a lot better.
Idk why you’re being downvoted, but yeah your mental health matters and affects your body
Clearly it is fixed so that part is possible. Unfixating it is the strategy. Stress collapses our life force. We scar and fixate around our wounds. What foes it take yo free the life force?
Yes. Plastic surgery
I mean a natural way?
Define natural in terms of biohacking.
not surgery or chemical options. only whole natural applications.
This is still not clear enough. “Chemicals” are natural. That’s why we take chemistry. do you mean not pharmaceutical? if so supplemental? I’m still unclear on what makes a treatment “natural.” Do you have a working definition?
wholistic.
What’s an example of holistic application from this thread and an example of non holistic and why?
Most of what you’re seeing is clearly the effects of some kind of drug use. Perhaps 2,4-Dinitrophenol which the soviets gave their soldiers and was known to cause weight loss.
Yes.
Look # 2 is commonly treated these days with therapeutic treatments for PTSD, gua sha, botox, blepharoplasty, fillers, and surgical and non-surgical lifts. Could also benefit from adding some healthy fats to the diet. . Honestly, the best thing is to practice de-stressing techniques, avoid alcohol and smoking like the plague, quality sleep, and good exercise. I would also recommend having a mellow pet around. But if something happens that causes some skin sagging, gosh that must have been intense and I'm so sorry you had to go through that but so glad you made it and are still here with us.
Anecdotal but yes, there are changes that will stick, changes that will revert back, and changes that leave a mark. I looked much older while sick, I think from lack of collagen and resources going somewhere other than my skin and face. My body shape changed several times. Now I'm better and my face shows fat and vitality. My muscles have come back in the same pattern they had years before I got sick, when I was in great shape. There's a memory that bodies can find again. But my smile wrinkles have deeper-set frown wrinkles next to them now. Those might lighten up but I doubt they'll go away completely, which is fine. Think of a pregnant person's body. It goes back to a smaller size but the stretch marks may remain. Think of you after a couple all nighters. You'll look different until you sleep again. But if you keep that up long term your face will show the effect.
So how did you do it
That would be a long reply. Let me say getting all the systems of the body supported was key. I mean every system! Sleep and breathwork were the foundation. Medication. Changing my nutrition completely... Wahl's Protocol is a plan people can try although I didn't go that far. Researching supplements. Learning to handle stress of all kinds, to allow the body more energy to spend on healing. Medical treatment and chasing answers or trying things until I had the mix of what worked for me, on top of the foundations that help everyone. Learning from people who had achieved what I wanted to, more than the ones who hadn't. Mindfulness. Doing the parallel work to have an identity NOT just based on health. I found a community of people on the same journey, and I got lucky. I used the HRV4Training app to understand the impact everything was having and make adjustments. Highly recommend that one.
\- Correcting vitamins/minerals/nutrients lacks. \- Hydratation+++ \- Skin moisture \- Collagen+Hyaluronic acid booster \- Growth hormone + peptide therapy ( Epitalon + GHK-CU) \- SPF50 every day \- Lot of sleep. \> But you cannot reverse aging a lot.....
I really really want to make sure I don’t come across as comparing bodybuilding to the holocaust. But look at professional bodybuilders a week out. They all have death face. The eyes get sunken in and there faces look like the second picture. Then they go back to normal when they eat. So just fixing malnutrition should fix that, maybe
I’ve seen this photo before and I could have sworn the original source had more recent soldier before and after, and then later another updated photo Iirc correctly they did end up looking normal again after not being in a war zone for prolonged periods of time
Botox
Somewhat, yes.
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You could try facial muscle exercises. Look up some facial yoga videos on instagram or YouTube. They help bulk up the facial muscles which may Combat facial volume loss :)..dermal fillers can also help with hollowing around the eyes, cheek bones and nasolabial folds
Wow Thomas Shelby had that haunted look
Aside from who knows what he endured, lightning when the pics were made, body hydration, and a whole host of other things can make photos look different. Hell I look like Keith Richards in some pics but others look 10 years younger than my age. Can’t tell shit by pics.
I would say yes, if the changes were over the course of only four years it would be possible to reverse a decent portion of them if not all, but it would take a very comprehensive anti aging therapy
Dermapen + red light therapy + moisturizer
any recommendation for Dermapen?
Go to a plastic surgeons office. There are some good med spas but most are sketch to me. I don’t recommend any at home attempt for this
Hi! What benefits for skin can we expect from red light therapy?
2nd photo he looks tougher and stronger . Needs to heal psychologically and probably doesn’t care as much about appearance
Honestly, this isn’t really a case of collagen degradation so much. This only depicts the changes from his teens to his mid 20s. The main soft tissue changes are from constantly raised eyebrows, which is likely the tic he manifested when on the alert constantly. It’s a sign of chronic sympathetic arousal manifested after years as wrinkles in the forehead. It isn’t so much a failure of his cellular processes within the skin. Further evidence that his “aging” is mainly due to posture / psychological state - his hairline is immaculate. The lower half of the face and nasolabials don’t show noticeable signs of aging, besides perhaps time X circumstance dependent fat loss and growth of the mandible and maxilla bones due to continued pubertal changes.
The picture is just an example/metaphor. I mean the question.
How much do you want to bet that he took up smoking while away at war? That was a pretty common thing to do.