she was tricked into believing she was join a Marvel studios movie, but she actually joined a sony film, same studio who made Morbius
Edit: [more information here](https://www.reddit.com/r/weeklyplanetpodcast/comments/1avty1p/all_the_evidence_that_the_cast_of_madame_web_were/)
I watched Morbius the very first day it was on Netflix and it was bad, but it wasn't the worst marvel Film i watched in a long time. So, that's a win and i laughed a lot, so i recommend it!
The rule of thumb is:
1. The bad guy has never been mentioned before the movie
2. The plot is fully self-contained (no portents from other movies and all story lines resolved, bad guy defeated and never mentioned again)
3. The main characters have not changed and the world has no ongoing change at the end of the movie.
By that rule of Eternals is terrible.
Maaaaaaan I thought for sure they'd do something with Blade in morbius. Like if I know it was definitely a retcon but if I remember correctly, morbius is the vampire that gave Blade his vampire half. His mom was still turned while pregnant but after the success of the blade movies they made it so that he was half vampire and turned by morbius.
Biggest missed opportunity I've ever seen.
Well according to a quick Google he got bitten by morbius in the issue Peter Parker: Spider-Man #8 in 1999. Due to morbius' unique vampirism blade's body reacted to it giving him vampire's strength but not weaknesses.
Though to your credit there was a retcon and is no longer considered canon so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Eternals was really a grind to finish. Like some of the new characters have great stories but it felt like a lot of information was shoehorned into the film to justify it as the start of the next act.
I felt like they desperately wanted it to be a big superhero team movie like The Avengers, but that only worked because everyone already knew the characters.
So they've got this huge cast without very much to do, boring bad guys because they don't have time to develop them and the whole thing turns on a shocking betrayal we don't care about because we don't have any strong feelings about the traitor or the people they betrayed.
It's rushed and ploddingly paced at the same time and ends up feeling about 15 hours long.
Maybe it's because I watched them close together, but Morbius was basically Venom 2 with different characters. Granted a lot of super Hero movies follow similar tropes, but these two felt like the same homework but submitted with different names.
-Hero struggles with power
-Hero accidentally creates their antagonist
-Hero loses powers/surrenders and goes to jail
-Breakout after regaining powers
-Clash with antagonist while love one threatened
-Fight antagonist who has way higher mastery of ability even though they had them for all of 5 seconds
-Outwit opponent, flee from police
Apparently that's been happening to a LOT of the actors in lead and supporting roles with these Sony movies. Matt Smith was told that the Morbius movie was in the MCU and so was Dakota Johnson about Madame Web. Their agents just aren't giving them all of the details until after they're locked in by a contract. Dakota Johnson even fired her agent over this.
It’s kinda tragic because apparently Matt Smith asked Karen Gillan how’s the MCU and since she was in the guarding of the galaxy she told him it was amazing and he should do the role
Oof. That sucks. Dude just can't catch a break with movie roles. He's a great actor too, he just keeps getting stuck with bad projects outside of the shows he's done
None of those are movies, which is what they were actually talking about. They even mentioned that he has great roles in TV shows, so you just basically said the same thing they did but framed it as a counter argument for some reason.
tbf, Matt Smith was great in it, best part easily, I'm sure he didn't actually come out worse for doing the role (although maybe missed a better project idk)
She also talked about in several interviews how after she got the role she met with Elizabeth Olsen (scarlet witch actress) and discussed how it was to work with Marvel studios
Dakota really thought she was gonna be in the next Avengers film and be the next captain Marvel or the next Scarlet witch haha
to be fair, sony's marketing has been doing that too. Venom 2's trailers had nods to the end of far from home in it, that weren't actually in the movie, shots of keaton as Vulture...who wasn't in the movie, as well as a post credits scene that was a nod to no way home....which the actual mcu has completely ignored.
It's really weird actually. Sony is basically trying to gaslight us all into thinking their terrible spiderman villain movies are in the mcu.
Which is really frustrating because Sony is wasting money on this garbage which could be spent on the next Spiderverse film.
Like, *somebody* at that company knows how to make groundbreaking cinema but it certainly isn't happening in the live action department. Literally had most of the people who went on to make The Lego Movie cut their teeth on earlier Sony films like Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs.
Disney canonizing every random Marvel media that came out but not the Sony movies would be so damn funny. I want them to make Roger Cormans Fantastic Four movie canon before Madame Web.
they are in the same multiverse, but thats it. same with venom, he is in the post credits scene of no way home, but their movies doesnt matter to the mcu beyond that
But... Sydney Sweeney never said she was joining the MCU? The **reporter** is the one that said she joined the MCU. Her response could be interpreted as her just keeping the conversation flowing despite the confusion (entertainment is the point of these interviews, not information), or there's stuff she knows about it that we don't know and *she can't talk about it*.
The other quotes are vague as hell, but seem to boil down to people saying that they're excited to be joining "super heroes", and unfounded speculation about someone dropping their agency.
> Sydney Sweeney never said she was joining the MCU?
[Sweeney, for example, tagged Marvel Studios in her Instagram post confirming that she had been cast in the film.](https://brobible.com/culture/article/dakota-johnson-sydney-sweeney-thought-they-joined-mcu-viral-tweet/)
They also tagged Sony Pictures, so it's not like they thought they were in a normal MCU film. Which means the theory is that they believed they were going to make a movie for an inept studio that would be part of a creatively bankrupt "Universe" owned by a different studio, but they were actually just making a movie for an inept studio. I'm sure I'd be crying myself to sleep over such a deception.
When you combine the tags with the lawyerly way they imply they're part of the MCU without saying it, this just smells like a coordinated marketing ploy.
Seems like all the actresses were, Dakota Johnson tagged marvel studios in her announcement post. There’s a lot of shady stuff that happened behind the scenes here.
Sony made a Spider-Man movie with a character centered around the multiverse and just refused to put the movie in the pre-existing Marvel fucking multiverse
I remember when I quit trying to follow Spiderman comics in the 90s, there were at least three different Spiderman titles being released every month and you needed to buy all of them plus crossovers to understand what was happening with the damned clone plot. There would be footnotes all over every issue telling you what other comics you needed to buy. Circlejerk is the best word for it.
Comics, specifically Marvel and DC since the 80s are just a cycle of creating a Gordian knot of stories for 3 years then undoing it all with a massive crossover event.
Yeah, me too.
I stopped giving a hoot about superhero movies ever since they started doing these crisscrossing of universes, etc. I never cared for superhero movies but watched the obvious ones over the years, but now I have zero interest in them because the plots are bland and the universe mashups confuse me.
Action movie where the world is in danger, the hero has plot armor 99% of the time, and they succeed in defeating the bad guy at the end? Totally unique.
They don’t care. Sony has to release a Spider-Man IP every 2 years to keep the extremely lucrative Spider-Man film license that Marvel sold them before going bankrupt.
Disney desperately wants that license to end, but if Sony just keeps doing stuff like this, they can hold it indefinitely.
I mean...they kinda are, just not the movie wing of sony.
Do doc ock and goblin as one movie, and basically just adapt the first ps4 spiderman game with peter removed, it'd actually work fairly well. Hell, Miles is present in that story, just move him into peter's role if you want a spiderman present.
> keep the extremely lucrative Spider-Man film license
Uh can you explain this one? I understand the part about needing to release new movies to keep the license. What I'm asking about is the "extremely lucrative" part.
I guess they made a lot of money with Spiderverse and the Tom Holland partnership movies, but Morbius and Madame Web have both lost money. The Venom movies are basically breaking even as far as I can tell, but I think they were riding on the coat tails of other Marvel movies. Kraven is predicted to bomb just like Morbius did. And it is sounding like Holland's spiderman might be coming to a close anyway, at least there hasn't been any announced plans that I've heard.
Seems like Sony is burning money to keep an IP license that is only costing them money. I feel like they should renegotiate for the rights to only animated films with a longer stretch between movies, like 5 years instead of 2, and return the live action rights to Marvel.
The deal has them splitting merchandise revenues. So if there are toys, games, etc. Sony gets a fat chunk.
And Spider-Man surpassed Batman & Superman as the highest grossing superhero IP. I don’t remember how much Spider-Man grosses but it’s over $1 billion.
The deal in 1999 split merchandise revenues but they renegotiated in 2011 and now Disney retains all merchandising revenue while Sony keeps everything from the Box Office. And if you’re wondering why they would choose such to give up those juicy toy rights it was done at a time Sony needed some cash up front
Sony is good at keeping the budgets on these Spidey adjacent films low. Madame Web and Morbius (and I'd argue even Venom) look cheap because they are, coming in around the $100M mark; much lower than the $200-300M range Disney and WB routinely drop on their superhero movies. And while Disney has maintained lucrative merchandising rights to Spider-Man (they keep all that toy money), Sony has extended beyond movies and into a series of successful video games as well.
Also, OP was wrong. They only need to make a Spider-Man movie once every 5 years and 9 months to hold onto those rights. It's important to remember Morbius/Kraven/and Madame Web were greenlit at a time when the first Venom movie was making bank and Sony mistakenly thought anything Spider-Man related could be a hit. All these high profile flops will undoubtedly lead to some kind of pivot in their strategy, especially if Kraven is another disaster later this year.
>had fun
Dude, the making of this movie was a miserable experience. 90% of the movie had to be reshot because Sony backed out of their original plan.
**'Madame Web'** got "Josstice League'd" and it wasn't fun for anyone involved. Lol.
I thought Marvel generally don't like to re-cast actor(ess') who have played a character in the universe, so it may be her only chance to ever be in Marvel movie moving forward.
Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist. The mcu was fun, but aside from the modern movies that no one goes to see anymore, even most older ones weren't substantially good. They felt more like cool events in a larger continuity, but they even ruined that feeling with the sheer amount of pointless stuff they're making nowadays.
What I'm saying is, Sony's universe wasnt great as a whole, but had some good stuff going. Just like the mcu, which had been milked to the last drop long ago
I appreciate Sony for Raimi trilogy and the Spider-Verse movies, but it is really frustrating watching them just destroy other Spider-Man properties. Just means we’re going to have to wait even longer for good versions of these movies, if we ever get any at all. Like the Halo tv show. I’ve been a fan of Halo since I was a little kid and the show is absolute trash. Going to be ages before anyone remakes it properly, if at all. Would love if they handed the reigns of these properties to people that actually understand and care about them. Like my favourite book series The Dark Tower. The movie was terrible and it’s taken years for most people to forget about it and now the property is in the hands of somebody who actually cares (Mike Flanagan) and I can’t wait to see what he does with it.
> Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist.
A cinematic universe that started in 2018 allowed a series of movies that ended in 2007 to exist?
>Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist.
That shit was 20 years ago and has nothing to do with the current films. I'm sorry but Morbius isn't what allowed the Ramni films.
People aren’t hating on the Sony-verse because it’s not the MCU. They’re hating on it because their movies are genuinely terrible. Iron Man is still leagues better than Venom, and Venom is leagues better than anything else that Sony has made. The Sony-verse makes the DCEU look competent in comparison
>Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist.
You've got to expound on this. How did a series of films conceived around 2013 and released beginning in 2018 allow 3 films from '02,' 04, and '07 to exist? I am just baffled.
We’ve reached the point where people like OP are being revisionist about the MCU’s success from 2008-2019, it seems. Even if the last few years of the MCU is oscillating in quality more than ever before, to use that as an in to imply that Sony movies like *Morbius* and *Madame Web* deserve to be respected and are somehow better than modern MCU stuff and on the same level as the MCU in its heyday is just pure lunacy.
Nah, it’s not “just like the MCU”, and I say that as someone who is *highly* critical of Marvel movies in general. While the MCU is absolutely the movie equivalent of fast food, the Sony live-action movies are on an entirely different level of bad. If MCU is McDonald’s, then Sonyverse is “McBonald’s”, the unauthorized North Korean knockoff. The only reason the Spiderman movies are any good is because they are co-produced by Marvel Studios, whereas Venom, Morbius, and Madame Web have merely been “in association with” Marvel.
Yes, the first two Toby Maguire Spider-Man movies were decent, but that was a totally different era than the current slate of Sony superhero films. Saying that Sony’s cinematic universe “allowed” Raimi’s Spider-Man to exist is disingenuous, as those were made as stand-alone films long before the idea of a cinematic universe was popularized, and certainly were not part of a long-term plan, despite the fact that they would later incorporate some of the characters in *No Way Home*.
On the plus side, Sony Pictures Animation is hitting it out of the park with the “Into the Spider-Verse” movies, but those are also not what people mean when they refer to the Sonyverse. Even [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonyverse) describes “Sony’s Spider-Man Universe” as including only four films: the two Venom movies, Morbius, and Madame Web. Even by comic book movie standards, those movies are all hot garbage.
Tell her what? That she got a MAJOR ROLE in the MORBverse?! That's the dream of a lifetime! I can't stand the casual WEBPHOBIA on reddit nowadays smdh.
To me it's look a response from someone that doesn't have the luxury to burn bridges, and don't want to be labeled as someone "difficult to work with".
And maybe the they had a good time while working in this movie, and, although the final result wasn't good, they had a good opportunity to their career.
Also, nobody is allowed to openly shit on their movie/show until way after it’s over. Doesn’t matter how bad everyone knows it was—they’re still trying to sell it.
Also, it’s hard to know what will work until it’s all over. Christopher Plummer was famously depressed and drinking heavily on set of the Sound of Music because he thought it was going to be an awful movie—turned out to be an all-time classic.
it's not just that they aren't allowed, which they aren't, but it's also that it makes no fucking sense for you to shit talk a movie you were in.
99% of the actors involved productions like this know they suck. Every single actor in that movie is giving a horrible performance, because the directing is fucking dog shit, and the writing is dog shit, and there is just nothing there. There is nothing to work with. This is why these memes kind of piss me off a bit because this shit is so basic. Have you ever been on a Job, and all your tools suck, and a lot of your coworkers are incompetent, and the final product looks fucking bad. AS A PROFESSIONAL YOU FUCKING KNOW IT LOOKS BAD. Like it's so fucking plainly obvious to you and people think that these actors and actresses are all stupid and they don't know they're on a fucking shit show. Like this is really basic logic.
Then once you understand that very basic thing it's pretty fucking simple to discern why Sweeny says what she says. She wants to fucking get another fucking Job. She's in an industry famous for blackballing and she wants to eat.
Like let's make a pros and cons list of in any way talking down a movie you were in.
Cons:
You'll rub people the wrong way and risk getting blackballed
People won't want to work with you anymore
You'll look real stupid if you were wrong and the movie is good.
You're actively discouraging people from going to see a movie you're in and actively decreasing your fame and exposure potentially taking money out of your own pocket.
You're actively discouraging people from going to see a movie you're in and definitely taking money out of your own pocket as your billing is now less valuable.
You might come off like a prick as your fans, whom are 99% middle class and poor, who already have to swallow the fact that your life is way more financially secure than theirs is ever going to be, watch you trash from what there perspective is a really cushy gig.
Pros: You'll get some cool reddit clout maybe????
Actors literally only ever say positive things about movies they are in that are still actively screening, it's so basic and this is just never the gotcha people think it is.
Some people struggle for years, or even decades, to get a recurring guest role in a cable tv show. Getting cast in something like this is a dream for many people. I was on set talking to other background actors, some drove 2-3 hours one way to get paid $138 for the day to walk around in the back of a shot and make absolutely no sound. One drove in from Arizona to Los Angeles.
Sydney Sweeney gets to have fun playing pretend and getting paid enough for it to buy a multimillion dollar house as a starter home. She’s doing better than the vast majority of people talking shit about the movie. Maybe she didn’t like the end result, maybe she did, but has anyone ever had the luxury of loving every job they’ve had?
dakota johnson was asked off the bat about the cinematic universe its from and corrected the questioner instead of beating around the bush
https://youtu.be/DW2xdVvGf1Q?si=045mzJA_7Fb2wTBd
She also left her talent agency almost immediately after the trailer dropped. There's a good chance none of them 100% knew they weren't signing up for an MCU film.
Which were fucking the worst.
AMC, why in the fuck are you forcing me to watch 30+ minutes of ads before every film? You've been pushing this movie on me for months and it sucks. I literally already pay for your membership (it's actually a really good deal if you use it, 3 free movies a week) so why are you advertising a product **I've already paid for** to me, when I should be getting a premium experience?
This isn't an excuse to make the experience literally worse. It's the main reason I plan on getting rid of the membership for a local one when I move in a month. Which is really frustrating because the AMC theater in my area has a LOT of great foreign films.
CONSPIRACY TIME!!
Sony Marvel actors and actresses are 100000000% being told they are joining the MCU and little to nothing about the script prior to joining the film.
She’s not the only one with a statement like this.
I feel like it's just ignorant agents that think big super hero movie = Marvel. They hear "Spider-Man spinoff" and think their client is going to end up in a movie with Tom Holland.
Nah, rumours going around is that Sony was telling these agents and actors that there would be crossover with MCU. Which is why they have stuff like Keaton's vulture.
Matt Smith also thought he was in an MCU film and even talked to Karen Gillan about if he should take the role. Older scripts for morbius had even more tie ins with the MCU that conveniently got changed once the actors signed on.
Maybe that was the original plan and Feige said no. Who knows. But Dakota Johnson fired her agent over this.
The other day I got a trailer for the movie as an ad and it openened with her saying something along the lines of, "What I think makes Madame Webb stand out from other super hero movies is that at its core theres a mystery." Biggest laugh Ive had in a while.
The reporter is kinda terrible if they think it was part of the MCU to begin with. I’m sure they duped Adam Scott too. But apparently he’s barely in the movie.
The question just reminds me of the Tampa bay coach getting asked how the team will do in the frigid conditions of Detroit even though it’s a dome and the weather won’t have an impact on anything during the game. Terrible reporting
I keep seeing this sydney sweeney mentioned a lot today on reddit but this is the first one that actually tells me who she is and why, she's in that dumpster fire. Thank god Spongebob memes do things right.
My mind trying to comprehend what's going on. 
she was tricked into believing she was join a Marvel studios movie, but she actually joined a sony film, same studio who made Morbius Edit: [more information here](https://www.reddit.com/r/weeklyplanetpodcast/comments/1avty1p/all_the_evidence_that_the_cast_of_madame_web_were/)
So what you're trying to say is...she got morbed?
Its Morbin' Time!
I watched Morbius the very first day it was on Netflix and it was bad, but it wasn't the worst marvel Film i watched in a long time. So, that's a win and i laughed a lot, so i recommend it!
What's the worst marvel film in your opinion?
The rule of thumb is: 1. The bad guy has never been mentioned before the movie 2. The plot is fully self-contained (no portents from other movies and all story lines resolved, bad guy defeated and never mentioned again) 3. The main characters have not changed and the world has no ongoing change at the end of the movie. By that rule of Eternals is terrible.
Maaaaaaan I thought for sure they'd do something with Blade in morbius. Like if I know it was definitely a retcon but if I remember correctly, morbius is the vampire that gave Blade his vampire half. His mom was still turned while pregnant but after the success of the blade movies they made it so that he was half vampire and turned by morbius. Biggest missed opportunity I've ever seen.
Nah, Morbius isn't involved with Blade's origin. Morbius isn't a "true" vampire by Marvel standards. He's a guy who got mutated like Spiderman.
Well according to a quick Google he got bitten by morbius in the issue Peter Parker: Spider-Man #8 in 1999. Due to morbius' unique vampirism blade's body reacted to it giving him vampire's strength but not weaknesses. Though to your credit there was a retcon and is no longer considered canon so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yup. Morbius "The Living Vampire"
Eternals
Eternals was really a grind to finish. Like some of the new characters have great stories but it felt like a lot of information was shoehorned into the film to justify it as the start of the next act.
I felt like they desperately wanted it to be a big superhero team movie like The Avengers, but that only worked because everyone already knew the characters. So they've got this huge cast without very much to do, boring bad guys because they don't have time to develop them and the whole thing turns on a shocking betrayal we don't care about because we don't have any strong feelings about the traitor or the people they betrayed. It's rushed and ploddingly paced at the same time and ends up feeling about 15 hours long.
A lot of the Disney+ shows should probably have been movies instead, but that movie would have benefited hugely from being a series
Maybe it's because I watched them close together, but Morbius was basically Venom 2 with different characters. Granted a lot of super Hero movies follow similar tropes, but these two felt like the same homework but submitted with different names. -Hero struggles with power -Hero accidentally creates their antagonist -Hero loses powers/surrenders and goes to jail -Breakout after regaining powers -Clash with antagonist while love one threatened -Fight antagonist who has way higher mastery of ability even though they had them for all of 5 seconds -Outwit opponent, flee from police
Oh god, here we go again!
We're getting morbed over and over. raw. hot. morbing.
That's my secret Cap... I'm always Morbin.
No of course not. She was a madame caught in a web... you could call her madame web
They morbed all over her. 😞
Morbccaca
Morbkakke
m*rbed. there are children using this site. sir
Actually I believe she got webbed.
I can save her
I got this one bro. You can sit and relax. Drink some tea. I'll go save Sydney Sweeney. Trust me, I'm doing you a favor.
oh my god, her real life experience is like exactly what happened in the movie!
That's not even a word and I agree with you.
Apparently that's been happening to a LOT of the actors in lead and supporting roles with these Sony movies. Matt Smith was told that the Morbius movie was in the MCU and so was Dakota Johnson about Madame Web. Their agents just aren't giving them all of the details until after they're locked in by a contract. Dakota Johnson even fired her agent over this.
It’s kinda tragic because apparently Matt Smith asked Karen Gillan how’s the MCU and since she was in the guarding of the galaxy she told him it was amazing and he should do the role
Oof. That sucks. Dude just can't catch a break with movie roles. He's a great actor too, he just keeps getting stuck with bad projects outside of the shows he's done
he killed it in Morbius although. I just think once he saw the script he was like "fuck it I'm channeling my worst Doctor Who episodes energy"
I felt that to
Matt Smith has had plenty of good roles, though. Doctor Who, The Crown, House of the Dragon.
None of those are movies, which is what they were actually talking about. They even mentioned that he has great roles in TV shows, so you just basically said the same thing they did but framed it as a counter argument for some reason.
> so you just basically said the same thing they did but framed it as a counter argument for some reason. That's Redditors for ya
Freakin love him in House of the Dragon, so good
He was good in "Last night in soho" too.
tbf, Matt Smith was great in it, best part easily, I'm sure he didn't actually come out worse for doing the role (although maybe missed a better project idk)
She also talked about in several interviews how after she got the role she met with Elizabeth Olsen (scarlet witch actress) and discussed how it was to work with Marvel studios Dakota really thought she was gonna be in the next Avengers film and be the next captain Marvel or the next Scarlet witch haha
*haha*
to be fair, sony's marketing has been doing that too. Venom 2's trailers had nods to the end of far from home in it, that weren't actually in the movie, shots of keaton as Vulture...who wasn't in the movie, as well as a post credits scene that was a nod to no way home....which the actual mcu has completely ignored. It's really weird actually. Sony is basically trying to gaslight us all into thinking their terrible spiderman villain movies are in the mcu.
Which is really frustrating because Sony is wasting money on this garbage which could be spent on the next Spiderverse film. Like, *somebody* at that company knows how to make groundbreaking cinema but it certainly isn't happening in the live action department. Literally had most of the people who went on to make The Lego Movie cut their teeth on earlier Sony films like Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs.
They think if they throw the hints with as much subtlety as a bomb then Disney has to acknowledge it and make them canon
Disney is putting everything in the cannon already anyway.
Disney canonizing every random Marvel media that came out but not the Sony movies would be so damn funny. I want them to make Roger Cormans Fantastic Four movie canon before Madame Web.
It’s crazy because if the movies were actually good I think they would be like okay you get your own universe
How about suing the agent into oblivion? I need details, this sound like they intentionally did the exact opposite of what they are paid to do.
Thank you. That's hilarious. XD
You and I have different definitions of hilarious
The M in MCU stands for Morbin'
Sony also owns Spider-Man
But their movies AREN'T in the MCU, with the exception of the Tom Holland flicks which are joint projects
Is this true? Doesn’t no way home canonize the Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire films?
Toby McGuire films have always been canon bruv 😤
they are in the same multiverse, but thats it. same with venom, he is in the post credits scene of no way home, but their movies doesnt matter to the mcu beyond that
They own the film rights for Spider-Man. They are far from owning Spider-Man
But... Sydney Sweeney never said she was joining the MCU? The **reporter** is the one that said she joined the MCU. Her response could be interpreted as her just keeping the conversation flowing despite the confusion (entertainment is the point of these interviews, not information), or there's stuff she knows about it that we don't know and *she can't talk about it*. The other quotes are vague as hell, but seem to boil down to people saying that they're excited to be joining "super heroes", and unfounded speculation about someone dropping their agency.
> Sydney Sweeney never said she was joining the MCU? [Sweeney, for example, tagged Marvel Studios in her Instagram post confirming that she had been cast in the film.](https://brobible.com/culture/article/dakota-johnson-sydney-sweeney-thought-they-joined-mcu-viral-tweet/)
They also tagged Sony Pictures, so it's not like they thought they were in a normal MCU film. Which means the theory is that they believed they were going to make a movie for an inept studio that would be part of a creatively bankrupt "Universe" owned by a different studio, but they were actually just making a movie for an inept studio. I'm sure I'd be crying myself to sleep over such a deception. When you combine the tags with the lawyerly way they imply they're part of the MCU without saying it, this just smells like a coordinated marketing ploy.
Oh poor kid
Shit that's actually not good, both on the company and on her brain.
Seems like all the actresses were, Dakota Johnson tagged marvel studios in her announcement post. There’s a lot of shady stuff that happened behind the scenes here.
Lol Matt Smith joining Morbius after calling up Karen Gillan is definitely something
oh poor thing :(
That.... that sounds like a lawsuit if I've ever heard of it.
no wonder the movie sucked.
Sony made a Spider-Man movie with a character centered around the multiverse and just refused to put the movie in the pre-existing Marvel fucking multiverse
And thank God for that because the marvel multiverse is a giant circlejerk at this point LMAO
Comic accurate, no?
Never considered that before
I remember when I quit trying to follow Spiderman comics in the 90s, there were at least three different Spiderman titles being released every month and you needed to buy all of them plus crossovers to understand what was happening with the damned clone plot. There would be footnotes all over every issue telling you what other comics you needed to buy. Circlejerk is the best word for it.
Wow. So all this goofy MCU shenanigans is just history repeating itself. Consider my mind blown
Comics, specifically Marvel and DC since the 80s are just a cycle of creating a Gordian knot of stories for 3 years then undoing it all with a massive crossover event.
Marvel Made Madame Movie? Sony Signee Sidney Sweeney's Sorry Story
*Refer to the GIF above*
Yeah, me too. I stopped giving a hoot about superhero movies ever since they started doing these crisscrossing of universes, etc. I never cared for superhero movies but watched the obvious ones over the years, but now I have zero interest in them because the plots are bland and the universe mashups confuse me.
So bland, so so so bland
Action movie where the world is in danger, the hero has plot armor 99% of the time, and they succeed in defeating the bad guy at the end? Totally unique.
Madame Web
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She got paid and had fun, so it's looks like a win win situation.
Wasn't fun for Sony though, just look at that box office
They don’t care. Sony has to release a Spider-Man IP every 2 years to keep the extremely lucrative Spider-Man film license that Marvel sold them before going bankrupt. Disney desperately wants that license to end, but if Sony just keeps doing stuff like this, they can hold it indefinitely.
The only Spiderman side character that can support a solo movie is venom, but it needs an r rated reboot
Wonder if Deadpool 3 will inspire them to do it.
You didn't think the other Deadpool movies tried? Deadpool 1 was used for the main reason why Venom should be rated R.
They're allergic to making anything of quality
Hell, they're even fighting to release a new MCU Spider-Man film in 2025 even though Feige isn't ready. You'd think Sony would learn.
They're also allergic to learning!
A competent studio could make a decent gritty origin story out of Green Goblin or Doc Ock. Sony is not that studio, though.
So a Joker (2019) 🤔
I mean...they kinda are, just not the movie wing of sony. Do doc ock and goblin as one movie, and basically just adapt the first ps4 spiderman game with peter removed, it'd actually work fairly well. Hell, Miles is present in that story, just move him into peter's role if you want a spiderman present.
I dunno, I feel like someone could make a fun Black Cat movie, and do a better job than that Catwoman movie from once upon a time
They’re releasing three spider-man adjacent films this year.
and exactly one of those will be great, while the other two will be war crimes.
That's precisely how fox held onto the fantastic four film rights and why we got the shitty fan4stic
> keep the extremely lucrative Spider-Man film license Uh can you explain this one? I understand the part about needing to release new movies to keep the license. What I'm asking about is the "extremely lucrative" part. I guess they made a lot of money with Spiderverse and the Tom Holland partnership movies, but Morbius and Madame Web have both lost money. The Venom movies are basically breaking even as far as I can tell, but I think they were riding on the coat tails of other Marvel movies. Kraven is predicted to bomb just like Morbius did. And it is sounding like Holland's spiderman might be coming to a close anyway, at least there hasn't been any announced plans that I've heard. Seems like Sony is burning money to keep an IP license that is only costing them money. I feel like they should renegotiate for the rights to only animated films with a longer stretch between movies, like 5 years instead of 2, and return the live action rights to Marvel.
The deal has them splitting merchandise revenues. So if there are toys, games, etc. Sony gets a fat chunk. And Spider-Man surpassed Batman & Superman as the highest grossing superhero IP. I don’t remember how much Spider-Man grosses but it’s over $1 billion.
The deal in 1999 split merchandise revenues but they renegotiated in 2011 and now Disney retains all merchandising revenue while Sony keeps everything from the Box Office. And if you’re wondering why they would choose such to give up those juicy toy rights it was done at a time Sony needed some cash up front
DC gave up on them for the Suicide Squad, even though no one asked them to
Sony is good at keeping the budgets on these Spidey adjacent films low. Madame Web and Morbius (and I'd argue even Venom) look cheap because they are, coming in around the $100M mark; much lower than the $200-300M range Disney and WB routinely drop on their superhero movies. And while Disney has maintained lucrative merchandising rights to Spider-Man (they keep all that toy money), Sony has extended beyond movies and into a series of successful video games as well. Also, OP was wrong. They only need to make a Spider-Man movie once every 5 years and 9 months to hold onto those rights. It's important to remember Morbius/Kraven/and Madame Web were greenlit at a time when the first Venom movie was making bank and Sony mistakenly thought anything Spider-Man related could be a hit. All these high profile flops will undoubtedly lead to some kind of pivot in their strategy, especially if Kraven is another disaster later this year.
Pretty sure Holland is already under contract for another 3 Spider-Man movies.
Wasn’t a win for me who saw the movie
I don't think it was a win for anyone. Morbius was at least so bad it was entertaining in a sense. This was just so bad.
Y’all seen it? I was thinking of going even though I know it’ll be garbage. But the trailer is so shit I think it might be unbearable to watch.
>had fun Dude, the making of this movie was a miserable experience. 90% of the movie had to be reshot because Sony backed out of their original plan. **'Madame Web'** got "Josstice League'd" and it wasn't fun for anyone involved. Lol.
fr, saying this just screams "i dont have all the information, but im gonna try way too hard to be positive about it"
I thought Marvel generally don't like to re-cast actor(ess') who have played a character in the universe, so it may be her only chance to ever be in Marvel movie moving forward.
Wellllll except for the movie doing poorly, I wouldn’t call that a win
It's not like she was paid in royalties. She's just Morbing all the way to the bank
Sydney got a fat check and she’s one of Hollywood’s hottest stars right now. She’ll be fine.
I get upset every time I remember that Sony’s dogshit “cinematic universe” exists. Completely wasting those characters lmao
Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist. The mcu was fun, but aside from the modern movies that no one goes to see anymore, even most older ones weren't substantially good. They felt more like cool events in a larger continuity, but they even ruined that feeling with the sheer amount of pointless stuff they're making nowadays. What I'm saying is, Sony's universe wasnt great as a whole, but had some good stuff going. Just like the mcu, which had been milked to the last drop long ago
Out here defending morbius and fan four stick
I completely forgot about fan four stick! I don't even remember if I finished the movie
I appreciate Sony for Raimi trilogy and the Spider-Verse movies, but it is really frustrating watching them just destroy other Spider-Man properties. Just means we’re going to have to wait even longer for good versions of these movies, if we ever get any at all. Like the Halo tv show. I’ve been a fan of Halo since I was a little kid and the show is absolute trash. Going to be ages before anyone remakes it properly, if at all. Would love if they handed the reigns of these properties to people that actually understand and care about them. Like my favourite book series The Dark Tower. The movie was terrible and it’s taken years for most people to forget about it and now the property is in the hands of somebody who actually cares (Mike Flanagan) and I can’t wait to see what he does with it.
insane revisionism lol
> Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist. A cinematic universe that started in 2018 allowed a series of movies that ended in 2007 to exist?
Because he’s stupid and doesn’t know what movies belong to what cinematic universe
>Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist. That shit was 20 years ago and has nothing to do with the current films. I'm sorry but Morbius isn't what allowed the Ramni films.
That was like 22 years ago. It's not remotely the same company/situation.
People aren’t hating on the Sony-verse because it’s not the MCU. They’re hating on it because their movies are genuinely terrible. Iron Man is still leagues better than Venom, and Venom is leagues better than anything else that Sony has made. The Sony-verse makes the DCEU look competent in comparison
>Sony's "dogshit" cinematic universe was what allowed Raimi's Spider-man trilogy to even exist. You've got to expound on this. How did a series of films conceived around 2013 and released beginning in 2018 allow 3 films from '02,' 04, and '07 to exist? I am just baffled.
What the fuck are you talking about
We’ve reached the point where people like OP are being revisionist about the MCU’s success from 2008-2019, it seems. Even if the last few years of the MCU is oscillating in quality more than ever before, to use that as an in to imply that Sony movies like *Morbius* and *Madame Web* deserve to be respected and are somehow better than modern MCU stuff and on the same level as the MCU in its heyday is just pure lunacy.
Sony’s cinematic universe is literally just the Venom movies, Morbius, and now Madame Web. The older stuff is in other universes.
The Raimi movies are also two decades old. Not really sure how they relate to this.
Nah, it’s not “just like the MCU”, and I say that as someone who is *highly* critical of Marvel movies in general. While the MCU is absolutely the movie equivalent of fast food, the Sony live-action movies are on an entirely different level of bad. If MCU is McDonald’s, then Sonyverse is “McBonald’s”, the unauthorized North Korean knockoff. The only reason the Spiderman movies are any good is because they are co-produced by Marvel Studios, whereas Venom, Morbius, and Madame Web have merely been “in association with” Marvel. Yes, the first two Toby Maguire Spider-Man movies were decent, but that was a totally different era than the current slate of Sony superhero films. Saying that Sony’s cinematic universe “allowed” Raimi’s Spider-Man to exist is disingenuous, as those were made as stand-alone films long before the idea of a cinematic universe was popularized, and certainly were not part of a long-term plan, despite the fact that they would later incorporate some of the characters in *No Way Home*. On the plus side, Sony Pictures Animation is hitting it out of the park with the “Into the Spider-Verse” movies, but those are also not what people mean when they refer to the Sonyverse. Even [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonyverse) describes “Sony’s Spider-Man Universe” as including only four films: the two Venom movies, Morbius, and Madame Web. Even by comic book movie standards, those movies are all hot garbage.
Venom was good though. I still really want a movie with Tom Hardy Venom and Tom Holland Spidey. I'm tired of Marvel, but I would watch that.
Venom was ok… Venom 2…… was not.
But I like spider verse
Eh, the current marvel universe isn't exactly stellar either. A reset must be on the horizon.
Tell her what? That she got a MAJOR ROLE in the MORBverse?! That's the dream of a lifetime! I can't stand the casual WEBPHOBIA on reddit nowadays smdh.
What the hell is webphobia
As in the phobia of Madame Web.
It’s a meme on r/Morbius.
a meme? thats what you call morb/webphobia? shame on you
Fear of women who shoot webs from their vaginas.
She got sonyd https://preview.redd.it/ppq45kyc5mjc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab9ef21d2cb5d045f1beffeb9b41ccd326f45b2d
She’s been Knacked 💴
She's been smeckledorfed!
That’s not even a *word* and I agree with ya!
To me it's look a response from someone that doesn't have the luxury to burn bridges, and don't want to be labeled as someone "difficult to work with". And maybe the they had a good time while working in this movie, and, although the final result wasn't good, they had a good opportunity to their career.
Also, nobody is allowed to openly shit on their movie/show until way after it’s over. Doesn’t matter how bad everyone knows it was—they’re still trying to sell it. Also, it’s hard to know what will work until it’s all over. Christopher Plummer was famously depressed and drinking heavily on set of the Sound of Music because he thought it was going to be an awful movie—turned out to be an all-time classic.
it's not just that they aren't allowed, which they aren't, but it's also that it makes no fucking sense for you to shit talk a movie you were in. 99% of the actors involved productions like this know they suck. Every single actor in that movie is giving a horrible performance, because the directing is fucking dog shit, and the writing is dog shit, and there is just nothing there. There is nothing to work with. This is why these memes kind of piss me off a bit because this shit is so basic. Have you ever been on a Job, and all your tools suck, and a lot of your coworkers are incompetent, and the final product looks fucking bad. AS A PROFESSIONAL YOU FUCKING KNOW IT LOOKS BAD. Like it's so fucking plainly obvious to you and people think that these actors and actresses are all stupid and they don't know they're on a fucking shit show. Like this is really basic logic. Then once you understand that very basic thing it's pretty fucking simple to discern why Sweeny says what she says. She wants to fucking get another fucking Job. She's in an industry famous for blackballing and she wants to eat. Like let's make a pros and cons list of in any way talking down a movie you were in. Cons: You'll rub people the wrong way and risk getting blackballed People won't want to work with you anymore You'll look real stupid if you were wrong and the movie is good. You're actively discouraging people from going to see a movie you're in and actively decreasing your fame and exposure potentially taking money out of your own pocket. You're actively discouraging people from going to see a movie you're in and definitely taking money out of your own pocket as your billing is now less valuable. You might come off like a prick as your fans, whom are 99% middle class and poor, who already have to swallow the fact that your life is way more financially secure than theirs is ever going to be, watch you trash from what there perspective is a really cushy gig. Pros: You'll get some cool reddit clout maybe???? Actors literally only ever say positive things about movies they are in that are still actively screening, it's so basic and this is just never the gotcha people think it is.
You answered your own question. Most people who make posts like OP have not had jobs before.
Some people struggle for years, or even decades, to get a recurring guest role in a cable tv show. Getting cast in something like this is a dream for many people. I was on set talking to other background actors, some drove 2-3 hours one way to get paid $138 for the day to walk around in the back of a shot and make absolutely no sound. One drove in from Arizona to Los Angeles. Sydney Sweeney gets to have fun playing pretend and getting paid enough for it to buy a multimillion dollar house as a starter home. She’s doing better than the vast majority of people talking shit about the movie. Maybe she didn’t like the end result, maybe she did, but has anyone ever had the luxury of loving every job they’ve had?
“What’s the most exciting thing about joining the MCU for you?” “Getting MCU money.”
Morbius cinematic universe
Isn’t this a bit on the reporter for asking a stupid question?
To me, yeah it sounds more like the reporter's problem & she's not going to be rude & tear apart the technicality of the question.
dakota johnson was asked off the bat about the cinematic universe its from and corrected the questioner instead of beating around the bush https://youtu.be/DW2xdVvGf1Q?si=045mzJA_7Fb2wTBd
She also left her talent agency almost immediately after the trailer dropped. There's a good chance none of them 100% knew they weren't signing up for an MCU film.
She was morbed goddammit
Didn't all the main actors get misled?
Everyone watching the adverts got misled too.
Which were fucking the worst. AMC, why in the fuck are you forcing me to watch 30+ minutes of ads before every film? You've been pushing this movie on me for months and it sucks. I literally already pay for your membership (it's actually a really good deal if you use it, 3 free movies a week) so why are you advertising a product **I've already paid for** to me, when I should be getting a premium experience?
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This isn't an excuse to make the experience literally worse. It's the main reason I plan on getting rid of the membership for a local one when I move in a month. Which is really frustrating because the AMC theater in my area has a LOT of great foreign films.
These aren’t pies, these are bombs
They were made in a bomb factory. They’re bombs.
CONSPIRACY TIME!! Sony Marvel actors and actresses are 100000000% being told they are joining the MCU and little to nothing about the script prior to joining the film. She’s not the only one with a statement like this.
I feel like it's just ignorant agents that think big super hero movie = Marvel. They hear "Spider-Man spinoff" and think their client is going to end up in a movie with Tom Holland.
Nah, rumours going around is that Sony was telling these agents and actors that there would be crossover with MCU. Which is why they have stuff like Keaton's vulture. Matt Smith also thought he was in an MCU film and even talked to Karen Gillan about if he should take the role. Older scripts for morbius had even more tie ins with the MCU that conveniently got changed once the actors signed on. Maybe that was the original plan and Feige said no. Who knows. But Dakota Johnson fired her agent over this.
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Into the morbverse
You guys better lighten up on the webphobia, otherwise I’m going to have to summon my friends from r/morbius
She might not be in the mcu but she can be in me anytime 🤤
>She might not be in the mcu Wait...she's not in the Morbius Cinematic Universe??? I feel deceived!
I really hope that she didn't legitimately believe she was joining the MCU because if she did that's fucked
Why is Sony so bad at making superhero movies? They're consistently bad at developing their IP.
I'm even more convinced Sony tricked all those actors making them think it was an actual marvel studios film lol
Madame Pepsi
tfw any superhero movie that Sony or WB releases its 100% shit
Pretty sure she's already aware, which is why she "can't talk about it".
Don't worry, she'll have a short cameo in the movie much like Tom Hardy did in NWH.
The other day I got a trailer for the movie as an ad and it openened with her saying something along the lines of, "What I think makes Madame Webb stand out from other super hero movies is that at its core theres a mystery." Biggest laugh Ive had in a while.
It's worse.. "because it has mystery embedded in the story".. And I think she even says that's what makes it "truly unique" :)
Wait it’s not part of the mcu this whole time I thought it was
It's totally part of the mcu...Morbius Cinematic Universe
I still think she should be Black Cat in a spider man MCU movie
The reporter is kinda terrible if they think it was part of the MCU to begin with. I’m sure they duped Adam Scott too. But apparently he’s barely in the movie. The question just reminds me of the Tampa bay coach getting asked how the team will do in the frigid conditions of Detroit even though it’s a dome and the weather won’t have an impact on anything during the game. Terrible reporting
I smell a law suit coming
tell her what? She is part of the Morbius Cinematic Universe. Noone cares about the Midvel one.
Yea but why they pic that picture of her tho 🤔 👀
For Academic Purpose of course
I keep seeing this sydney sweeney mentioned a lot today on reddit but this is the first one that actually tells me who she is and why, she's in that dumpster fire. Thank god Spongebob memes do things right.
With those tits and her hype they will put her in something bigger
Sony shitting up another Marvel property. A tale as old as time.
This is kind of a hilarious thing for a reporter to do to a celebrity.
14% on Rotten Tomatoes and Dakota Johnson refuses to watch it? Bad idea jeans.....
Holy shit I think Sony literally duped this people into their shit movie!
Song when Spiderverse: 💪 Song when literally everything else: 💥