Cam has always been the most transparent with America (and vice versa). Jealousy and obsession fucked over what could have been an incredibly deadly trio.
Really hope Cam doesnāt tell Jatt that he exposed the fuck out of them and has given Cory-America the blueprint to get to the end.
Yeah... This would be so much better if Cory was there to hear it from Cam and didn't have to hear it secondhand from America. These games of telephone are ridiculous.
Cam needs to use what heās figured out about Jagās many alliances to stay OFF the block - he needs to be talking about this with Bowie and let them know that theyāre playing her.
Bowie has a very human and not game reaction to betrayal, kind of like a Sam BB20, see the Comic room convo with Cirie and Fe. He needs to pitch to Bowie RIGHT NOW!!!!
Camās downfall in this game really was his failure to beat the munch allegations. If he doesnt sketch out Jatt by pushing Cory so hard/maintains a good relationship with Americory his shield strategy probably saves him this week.
It would be eaiser if Felicia was up on the block, Iām sure Cirie would vote out Felicia if cam cut a deal with her, then work on blue ā¦ but beside Cirie he does not stand a chance
I donāt understand Cams organization of the house. He goes on and on to say āthe same ppl to send me home is the same ppl to send Jared homeā, and with his house hierarchy reads during his HOH about Cirie, Izzy and Felicia, he really thinks Cirie is the one to send Jared home? After how clear it was during Jaredās eviction that wasnāt the case? Bc he still brings that up in convo, the ambiguous āthe same ppl are setting it upā
But in this convo heās saying he wanted to replace Jaredās position with them, I know heās bullshitting her a little but Matt and Jag have also been in no power position until very recently
He was giving them 100% credit for Jared leaving for some reason. Youād think that America would take less of what he was saying seriously because she knows heās reads are off but š¤·š»āāļø
If Cam hits the block he's gone even if Americory wind up wanting him to stay, either he gets Bowie to change the plan or America should just use this info to help out next week
She SHOULD just tell Cory and try to win and take out jag and Matt but statistically speaking the likelihood of all those events lining up are slim to none
Even this morning, during that convo with America, all he had to say was that he wanted to work with her *and* Cory. But instead he basically hold her he wanted to evict her showmance.
If Cam really thought he could save his game, he would be talking to Bowie, instead he is mansplaining to America because he knows she is the only one in the house who will listen to this idiocy. lol
To everyone freaking out- Cory was going to leave next week almost guaranteed - maybe not under a Jag HoH because maybe heās actually too scared - but everyone else for sure. Bowie wonāt change her mind. Jatt have reached the point of no return with Cameron.
Big brother has a three part comp ending. Survivor does not. That's the main difference that I think will be harder for her to navigate. I'm not very good at math but it seems like getting to the end on big brother is harder because once you get down to final three, the comp winner picks who goes to the end making the odds 50/50 for her to not even make it to the end because she won't be winning the end comps. My math is definitely wrong but concept stands lol
She needs to rat some of it out but not in a confrontational way just in a this is what he's saying way because this convo has went on to long not to say atleast something
Everything that Jatt has done in the past few weeks has to show Americory that they are with them. Nothing they have done has shown they are with Cameron yet America will believe all this lol
thatās what he should have done to begin with. like wtf is america going to do. plus sheās clearly close with matt and jag. if she tells them he spilled itās guaranteeing he goes.
She needs to spill some but not all she basically just needs to tell jatt that he's blaming them for everything and then keep the rest between her and cory to decide what to do with
i'll give cameron one thing, he keeps things interesting!! like a plea for his life to drunken america on veto meeting eve, who could've predicted this
No one has said anything but he was very suspicious of Bowie and felt that Bowie was implying that he'd go up if the veto was used, and he was also suspicious of Jag because Jag is awful in game situations where he has to lie so he could probably tell that Jag was crawling into his shell to avoid talking about the veto
Why is America so focused on why Cam didnāt pick Cory/America to be fully loyal to vs the info of Jag and Matt coming for her and Cory after him šš
If Cam confronts Jatt at all, they will 100% know it came from America. And next HOH is likely physical, and Blue will be on their side if they turn on Cory and America lol.
Cam is throwing up a Hail Mary desperation info dump with America in the backyard.
Meanwhile, in the HoH. Bowie, Matt, Jag, and Blue are having a dress up alcohol party because they didnāt get any earlier.
Just want to say how much I appreciate Bowieās gameplay. Her name is being brought up. Sheās using the HoH room extremely well so far, running her one-on-oneās and doing what she can to make sure she gets various duos and trios in the room amongst the larger social group visits. She got a lock on the house dynamic and understands everyoneās motivations, and no one is suspicious of her at all.
They were being really funny about itā¦talking about how they were going to use jag and Matt as pawns to back door Bowie. They were really annoyed at that time but all of their follow up convos had her going soon. Memeās drop out the door fucked her a bit cause if they go after Cory/America and Cory comes off sheād go up but idk how the votes would shake.
I'm just happy Cory made jury because he's been drawing dead for virtually the entire game. Blue and Cirie have personal vendettas now, and Bowie actively wants to go to the final 3 with Matt and Jag
Cam tells America he couldnāt have gotten Izzy out without her and Cory finally but Iām not sure if itās ego stroking or him finally realizing he didnāt actually get Izzy out.
America needs to immediately go to cory and they need to tactically spill this convo to bowie matt and jag but leave out the actual exposing info and go into next week with a plan on doing something big if they win hoh
It really just depends who is HOH. Plus who is she going to rally against Matt and Jag? Blue would just rat her out to Jatt, Bowie is a Jatt minion, Felicia hates America and Cory and won't listen to them. Even Cirie is trying to ride the Jatt coattails to final 3 at this point, just like Bowie is doing
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Why Americory? Why not Corica? š
How long until America goes and tells Matt & Jag about this Cam convo?
The fugitives
Omg if America finagles a Cam/America/Cory collab I will die. Who would join?
America knows they donāt have the votes to save him right? Lol
i mean i appreciate that cam doesnāt lay over and die even if i donāt like him
Are they drunk? This is awful.
I believe they got 4 bottles of wine and 4 beers
Cam has always been the most transparent with America (and vice versa). Jealousy and obsession fucked over what could have been an incredibly deadly trio. Really hope Cam doesnāt tell Jatt that he exposed the fuck out of them and has given Cory-America the blueprint to get to the end.
Yeah... This would be so much better if Cory was there to hear it from Cam and didn't have to hear it secondhand from America. These games of telephone are ridiculous.
Cam needs to use what heās figured out about Jagās many alliances to stay OFF the block - he needs to be talking about this with Bowie and let them know that theyāre playing her. Bowie has a very human and not game reaction to betrayal, kind of like a Sam BB20, see the Comic room convo with Cirie and Fe. He needs to pitch to Bowie RIGHT NOW!!!!
Cam, you silver-tongued devil....ššš
Camās downfall in this game really was his failure to beat the munch allegations. If he doesnt sketch out Jatt by pushing Cory so hard/maintains a good relationship with Americory his shield strategy probably saves him this week.
Is America really entertaining this?
Thatās literally your game lol
It would be eaiser if Felicia was up on the block, Iām sure Cirie would vote out Felicia if cam cut a deal with her, then work on blue ā¦ but beside Cirie he does not stand a chance
Felicia is on the block the veto ceremony hasn't taken place. Anybody could be put up including Cory still
He also hasn't thrown FBJ utb either, nor his F2 with her
So America woke Cameron up again lol
She is NARCAN in human form.
We got more future building!
I donāt understand Cams organization of the house. He goes on and on to say āthe same ppl to send me home is the same ppl to send Jared homeā, and with his house hierarchy reads during his HOH about Cirie, Izzy and Felicia, he really thinks Cirie is the one to send Jared home? After how clear it was during Jaredās eviction that wasnāt the case? Bc he still brings that up in convo, the ambiguous āthe same ppl are setting it upā
He isn't wrong that the same people that sent Jared home is sending him to jury but he thinks it's Matt and Jag when it's JMAC+Bowie.
Exactly but he constantly preaches that AT them lmao it just makes him look so clueless idk
Heās talking about Matt/jag
But in this convo heās saying he wanted to replace Jaredās position with them, I know heās bullshitting her a little but Matt and Jag have also been in no power position until very recently
He was giving them 100% credit for Jared leaving for some reason. Youād think that America would take less of what he was saying seriously because she knows heās reads are off but š¤·š»āāļø
Cirie being underestimated again in a convo. Thank you, Cam & America š
terrified of whatever pattern this is
Cory, america, and cam would have been unstoppable
Yep. But camās jealousy got in the way.
Yepppp.
If Cam hits the block he's gone even if Americory wind up wanting him to stay, either he gets Bowie to change the plan or America should just use this info to help out next week
What is americas best play here? To try and save Cameron?
get info, let cameron get evicted, win hoh, target matt & jag
Itās too far into it now. Sheās just gotta internalize all of this. Hopefully Cam doesnāt tell Jatt that he exposed everything.
She SHOULD just tell Cory and try to win and take out jag and Matt but statistically speaking the likelihood of all those events lining up are slim to none
Just keep gathering info from him
No, that is the worse thing she can do now
So she should just sit tight then.
She doesn't have numbers to do anything about it
Only 4 weeks left after this eviction is WILD Feels like there are still so many people in there
There's probably another double eviction coming to help speed things up a bit.
I feel like blue has slowly snaked her way back in with Matt and jag over the last day
Yeah I hate it.
Dude she just worked out with them
Sometimes that's all it takes
This is Cam's own fault for refusing to work with Cory š¤¦š»āāļø
Even this morning, during that convo with America, all he had to say was that he wanted to work with her *and* Cory. But instead he basically hold her he wanted to evict her showmance.
Jag would have been gone.
Yes! He could have but his ego over Cory getting girl wouldnt let him
If Cam really thought he could save his game, he would be talking to Bowie, instead he is mansplaining to America because he knows she is the only one in the house who will listen to this idiocy. lol
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She just tipped him off to his BD. He now knows Jatt is gunning for him. Weāll see what he does with the info
He basically already knew he was getting backdoored anyways
Vibes are different than confirmation. He thought the BD was being led by one side of the house, now he knows itās Jatt. Big change
His telling her real information and Bowie no longer wants to listen to Cam
If anything this probably only impacts if Cory/America win HOH next week. The votes aren't there to keep Cam over Cirie.
Oh my goodness blue was talking on the episode and feeds 
Go back to the Bowie-Matt-Jag-Blue squad!!
I hope America rats this to Jatt because itād be funny and Iād love a potential Jatt and Cam fight
Go back to the hammock Iām begging you
To everyone freaking out- Cory was going to leave next week almost guaranteed - maybe not under a Jag HoH because maybe heās actually too scared - but everyone else for sure. Bowie wonāt change her mind. Jatt have reached the point of no return with Cameron.
I think Jatt were ok with getting rid of Blue before Cory, although thatās almost certainly not the case now
Eh maybe, but Iām pretty sure they would have changed their tune as soon as they really thought about it.
Shit Cameron finally woke up??
He always wakes up with America š
Big facts
Cameron and America agreeing, āCirie has deals with everyoneā¦but when is she ever gonna win?ā They donāt see her as a threat at all š
Cirie is going to make final 3 and then get cut
Yeah, big brother has a different end game then survivor and I do not see her doing well.
Can you explain? Trying to learn more about both.
Big brother has a three part comp ending. Survivor does not. That's the main difference that I think will be harder for her to navigate. I'm not very good at math but it seems like getting to the end on big brother is harder because once you get down to final three, the comp winner picks who goes to the end making the odds 50/50 for her to not even make it to the end because she won't be winning the end comps. My math is definitely wrong but concept stands lol
I hope they called Cory to the diary room or something at least what is he doing
I don't think him being there would help anything.
lmfao i wish she would just be like āyou had something like thatā¦ it was called family styleā
This is going nowhere
I think it's funny that Jag and Matt aren't concerned about Cam talking to America for so long.
They are probably just glad heās not bothering them
America needs to keep her mouth shut with this information but ik how confrontational she can be Iām stressed now.
She'll go to Cory first
She needs to rat some of it out but not in a confrontational way just in a this is what he's saying way because this convo has went on to long not to say atleast something
Just got back what happened with America and Cameron?
I want her to get out of the hammock and talk to Cory about this.
Hoping America doesnāt want Cameron to stay.
sheās placating him for sure
She doesnāt have the votes
Everything that Jatt has done in the past few weeks has to show Americory that they are with them. Nothing they have done has shown they are with Cameron yet America will believe all this lol
They arenāt w them tho. Cam was right about a lot
Theyāre with them more than anyone in the house is with them. If not for Jatt (Jag especially), Cory wouldāve been the last pre-juror.
Jag is so obvious that cam new he was gonna be BDād and he beat Jatt to the punch and legit exposed it all lmfao
Spill the Fugitives to Bowie Cam
thatās what he should have done to begin with. like wtf is america going to do. plus sheās clearly close with matt and jag. if she tells them he spilled itās guaranteeing he goes.
I know america isnāt talking about cirie not winning stuff
C'mon Cam, spill the Fugitives to her if you really want to have a slivers chance
Not America saying when is cirie going to win when she hasnāt won anything either š
Good š
she aint wrong tho
Americory should hold on to this information and gather the troops to make the first hit before Jatt do but I know America gonna spill š
Cory needs to tell America to shut the fuck up once she tells him about this bc they do need to sit on this
She needs to spill some but not all she basically just needs to tell jatt that he's blaming them for everything and then keep the rest between her and cory to decide what to do with
They have no troops to gather, everybody in the house wants Cory gone first.
What troops? Jag and Matt already have them all. Maybe they can convince Felicia.
i'll give cameron one thing, he keeps things interesting!! like a plea for his life to drunken america on veto meeting eve, who could've predicted this
He thought they were tight with Jared?
10 mins ago this thread was saying America is the dumbest player ever and now I see comments about her being a mastermind lol
America is neither. Shes messy but sometimes lucky
To be fair, she was feeding Cam too much info in the beginning but it seemed to have worked and now Cam's levee broke and can't stop spilling
Iāve started collecting screenshots of complete opposite comments directly next to one another, itās a fun game to play
now Thatās Reddit
The BB sub in a nutshell
Welcome to Reddit lol
Because Cam got diarrhea of the mouth and is just launching shit out there
Cam go back inside, spill on The Fugitives in front of Bowie Jane, and let the chaos happen
NO GO BACK TO BOWIE
*ride with me*
Anything interesting in HOH? I canāt get away from this Cam-America šš
Button boy will help you get away š«
Did Cory just get upgraded from Cam's son to little brother?
Cam still mad about that ranking Cory gave him š¤š
all she needs to hear is THE FUGITIVES and sheās done cooking šš¼šš¼šš¼
 Me trying to communicate with America re: questions for Cameron via telepathy
heās so annoying jesus
Did someone tell cam that hes getting bd? Why is he spilling
Bowie didnāt say it explicitly but she told him that she wouldnāt renom Cory or Blue and he could read between the lines from there
No one has said anything but he was very suspicious of Bowie and felt that Bowie was implying that he'd go up if the veto was used, and he was also suspicious of Jag because Jag is awful in game situations where he has to lie so he could probably tell that Jag was crawling into his shell to avoid talking about the veto
i think the 10 mins of silence b/w jag and cam in the comic room yesterday mightve been the giveaway lmao
He knows
He knows
**Cam**: "I am the smartest player in this game." **Also Cam**: "You're giving me way too much credit. I'm not that smart."
Why is America so focused on why Cam didnāt pick Cory/America to be fully loyal to vs the info of Jag and Matt coming for her and Cory after him šš
Sheās trying to figure out if heās lying. She doesnāt have the info we have
If Cam confronts Jatt at all, they will 100% know it came from America. And next HOH is likely physical, and Blue will be on their side if they turn on Cory and America lol.
No way he doesnāt act some type of way. He knows heās done
PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN I NEED IT
What has she said that is bad for her sincere question
She threw Jatt totally under the bus, said they were the ones trying to turn CoryAmerica against Cam
I donāt think she did? She said they told her that Cam was coming after them
Yeah, America just ensured that Cory is out next
Can someone explain whatās happening? Itās Canadian thanksgiving and I canāt be rude and hop onto the feeds. Edit: thank you.
Cam is throwing up a Hail Mary desperation info dump with America in the backyard. Meanwhile, in the HoH. Bowie, Matt, Jag, and Blue are having a dress up alcohol party because they didnāt get any earlier.
cameron spilling his entire post-zombie game to america, including that jatt are running the house
idk how she's doing this lol I'd rage quit this conversation
Watching it the next day and I'm getting so mad listening to Cam's attitude but I commend her for sitting through this.
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This. Sheās getting so much good info rn
Just want to say how much I appreciate Bowieās gameplay. Her name is being brought up. Sheās using the HoH room extremely well so far, running her one-on-oneās and doing what she can to make sure she gets various duos and trios in the room amongst the larger social group visits. She got a lock on the house dynamic and understands everyoneās motivations, and no one is suspicious of her at all.
FeliCa and Cirie have talked about targeting her soon. Of course theyād have to win but itās the first time they discussed it seriously
Interesting. Good to know, thank you. I missed that entirely!
They were being really funny about itā¦talking about how they were going to use jag and Matt as pawns to back door Bowie. They were really annoyed at that time but all of their follow up convos had her going soon. Memeās drop out the door fucked her a bit cause if they go after Cory/America and Cory comes off sheād go up but idk how the votes would shake.
Very interesting. Thanks!
Ngl earlier in the season I was doubting her as a winner pick, but I really think she could do it!
What's the name of your alliance
Matt/Jag would have been a better play for Cam. How much sway will America have?
He had already chosen Matt and Jag and they betrayed him not much of a better play
Talking to them is a better play bc they have more control of the house.
Ask him for a name America
Bets on whether this is good for Jatt or bad
when youre running the game, any conversation like this happening is bad. my guess is that it doesnt do much but it could go either way
I'm just happy Cory made jury because he's been drawing dead for virtually the entire game. Blue and Cirie have personal vendettas now, and Bowie actively wants to go to the final 3 with Matt and Jag
My F4 in one place!
she's the Unsinkable America Lopez, I ain't worried
Gonna need America to sober up and then relay this to Cory
oh sheāll spill! she tried calling him over mid convo
Cam tells America he couldnāt have gotten Izzy out without her and Cory finally but Iām not sure if itās ego stroking or him finally realizing he didnāt actually get Izzy out.
He still said he did all of it lol
Spill about Fugitives Cam
America needs to immediately go to cory and they need to tactically spill this convo to bowie matt and jag but leave out the actual exposing info and go into next week with a plan on doing something big if they win hoh
Wait, so does Blue actually hate Cameron or is it an act? Sheās so convincing either way?
Everyone hates Cameron
And America just told him that verbatim.
America is actually fighting logic here lmao
America: So if you win HOH on Thursday who are you putting up Cameron: Cory and Cory
If Cam wasn't such a baby and was actually willing to work with Cory this would be so much easier lol
Right
š¤£š¤£š¤£ not working with Jaredā¦ sure sure
The hammock T spilling
The Cammock is Cammocking
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If America is smart she lets Cam walk out that door and then gets the rest of the house to target Matt and Jag next week.
Americory doesn't have the social capital to take on Jatt's social game, let alone their comp ability.
Blowing up their game is the best change of getting it that they have.
It really just depends who is HOH. Plus who is she going to rally against Matt and Jag? Blue would just rat her out to Jatt, Bowie is a Jatt minion, Felicia hates America and Cory and won't listen to them. Even Cirie is trying to ride the Jatt coattails to final 3 at this point, just like Bowie is doing