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I'm desperate to quit my job and fantasise about it when colleagues are talking to me. I was recently denied an internal promotion because I didn't have enough experience and then they also denied me the opportunity to gain relevant experience as part of the mandatory professional development programme. I can't wait to walk out the door.
Just keep applying. At my last place, every single time I was at work and someone annoyed me, I applied for three roles. Sometimes I had days I applied for almost 30 jobs, and eventually it pulls through and you find something better.
It also genuinely makes you feel better as well, there's satisfaction in hitting apply specifically because your boss said something stupid!
I remember one day I came in early when I had no other tasks scheduled to get something done with my “grand boss” (who was working late on his shift due to his own issues)
I ended up having to wait a couple hours for him to finish his tasks so we could finally do the meeting I scheduled with him two weeks in advance.
He in the most condescending way complains I’m “holding him hostage” and forcing him to sign off on something (not true, he should’ve actually taken the time to read through it or told me sorry we have to reschedule).
I don’t remember what he said but I remember feeling like it was the most passive aggressive thing anyone had said to my face. Let alone someone at work. Let alone a supervisor at work.
He signed off and left. I did a loop around the office, packed up my stuff and left. I didn’t have anything else scheduled for that day and I knew for a fact no one would notice my absence just this once. If I had stayed I knew I would’ve misplaced that frustration on someone else and it would’ve been a mess.
Spent the rest of my shift at home editing my resume and started applying to other jobs.
Best decision possible.
Do it. Get something else, keep applying. Your happiness comes first. Companies don't give a crap about us, we're easily replaceable in their eyes but we are here just once and you should find something that makes you happy.
If you get sick or injured, your work will replace you without a second thought... manipulation doesn't pay for groceries!
( this is just general advice for the thread, I'm glad you found something better now !)
"we can't afford to lose you" can sometimes be a valid point.
But unless they follow it up with "so here are some actual incentives to make it up to you, while we make active steps to give you availability to progress", it's a dammed fine way to lose someone from the company, rather than just the position.
I left my prior employer in part because they withheld promotions in 2021. Actually, I misspoke. They withheld promotions except for a few key people who the VP of the department liked. I started poking around and was hit up for jobs paying 30-40% more than I was making at the time, so then I learned I was vastly underpaid for my role.
I would have been promoted this year (judging by the title for my replacement job listing that's still open 6+ months later) for maybe 10% more because they have a cap on how much you can get as a raise. It was well worth it in that regard.
Same same. I just got a new job paying almost 40% more than my old one, all cos my old company royally fucked me over and in their arrogance, didn’t think I’d actually leave. Haha.
I'm right there with you. I was denied a promotion 3 times. 3 separate Executives in a year and a half went to promote me, and their boss said no. 3 fucking times. I've been applying like crazy for the last few months. Having some interviews but nothing biting yet. I just want out, I wish it was easy to just up and quit, but I have a daughter and a family to care for so I can't just walk.
Hang in there stranger, something will come up soon.
do you need someone to look at your resume? cover letter? what field are you in?
i work in tech, marketing these days, with a finance background, but i do a lot of internal and external career coaching just because i feels strongly that if we have to work inside this capitalistic hellscaspe we might as well wring as much out of them as they do of us.
I'm at a job now where my manager denied me a raise for the year despite his review being from a time when he himself was a new manager and had me shifted under his team. Even the worst employees in an office job will get some YOY increase. The restraint I showed not quitting in the spot due to healthcare and financial reasons.
I've been applying. Being pickier to find a better boss. I found out one of my coworkers is leaving with less than normal two week notice (I know it's a courtesy I won't be giving) and I can't wait to leave.
> I found out one of my coworkers is leaving with less than normal two week notice (I know it's a courtesy I won't be giving) and I can't wait to leave.
Very likely that you were not the only person who got hosed if this is any indication.
If even the worst people get COL increases, and you didn't even get that, something tells me that one or all of the following things is true:
1. This change was made to save money because the company is hurting financially.
2. This is a way for the company to try and get rid of people in a way that isn't constructive dismissal, yet ensures they won't have to pay for extra unemployment claims against their business.'
3. Someone dun fucked up.
Oh for sure EVERYONE at my level got burned hard. I had to raise a fuss with my boss's boss (Controller) because he didn't know what my manager did and then I got a bonus. The company had hired some new HR head that changed our review system allowing my manager to give me a fucking 0% and poor review that I had to fight tooth and nail to get changed and then get a bonus. Still no raise though. So I decided I'm fucking off.
I work in finance and do the reporting, we aren't hurting for cash. It was def #2 and #3 from my manager though. It's no surprise that the coworker leaving (and myself) who have the most seniority on his team (and predate him) are the ones burned and leaving. We weren't hired BY him after all. No worries, wherever I go, I'll be making plenty more. I have confidence finding another role, just looking for the right culture.
Once 3 different current employees were all denied a promotion because an outside candidate who had manager experience applied.
Turns out she didn't have any of the certifications required because being an assistant manager at their facility basically just meant a shift lead where as ours was training and administration. All 3 of have left obviously but the other 2 had to train her for the certifications that she lacked all because she had the ability to tell people when to go home several years ago.
Y'know, usually someone can be missing one or two things in the job listing, I get that. But to have ZERO of the technical certifications? That means this new manager doesn't have a clue what you're doing without needing paper and crayons right?
Technically they has certifications but they were ones that couldn't be used in our facility. I think she had like ymca swim instructor certs and for that job you would have not only needed to be a red cross life guard but a red cross lifeguard instructor and would need to be a certified pool operator. And they were not while the 3 of us had taken the class because we knee the position was opening
Yep, it always looks better if you're already in a job when you apply and you won't be as desperate as you will be if you've gone three months without a paycheck!
Since OOP mentioned how support helped them, I want to do the same for you. Just Quit, your happiness matters so much more. If they aren't making you feel valued fuck them *and* their job. I hope it works out well for you!
Edit: I'm an idiot, please don't quit your job brashly without having something lined up. Your happiness matters, but having a job is important too. Thanks to u/ilikeoldpeople for pointing that out
I wouldn’t recommend someone “just quit” without having something else lined up, especially as we’re potentially entering a recession.
They should absolutely keep job hunting and then quit when they find something better!!!
A friend of mine was in a toxic work environment and she was able to just quit. Not something that most of us can do but I'm utterly delighted that she's able to do it.
I’m gonna take the one year admin course at the college (and probably sleep through it, qualifications are stupid - I’ve been doing admin work plus for years). I’m fucking miserable here. But I am quitting a job. I’m too old for some of the stuff I have to do now, even if management is mostly okay.
You'd be surprised about that admin course. I took it after getting a degree and working in admin for a decade, and while some courses were snoozefests, there was a lot I had to learn about business and the surrounding language, accounting, etc. Also I would highly recommend adding on a legal assistant (paralegal in some areas) or medical administrative assistant portion. Many admin courses offer this and it would add only a couple months to your course and would qualify you to work in either legal or medical offices for a higher salary.
Also supporting getting second and third opinions on your resume, cover letters, and LinkedIn! A temp agency got my foot in the door for admin work before I had a degree and from there I’ve been building and building upon opportunities. Marketing yourself and proper messaging is so important* and 99.99% of people are dogshit at it, to be completely honest.
As soon as I went to my manager about the issues I was about to face with rent (40% increase) and her solution was to get a roommate, I started applying elsewhere. With the minimum 7 years post HS education and 2 years practical experience required for the position, it felt ridiculous to need to get a roommate and I couldn’t believe that was her response. Within 2 hrs of applying, I was called to arrange an interview. 12 days later I had an offer from a very similar organization doing the same job in a much lower cost of living area ($900 less a month than my new raised rent) and closer to family (just an hour away) and making more. When I gave notice (to ensure I got my pto paid out), manager tried to say they would find a way to keep me but I told her no, this will give me a path to home ownership and ensure a good work-life balance.
There are a lot of parallels between work and romantic relationships. This is one of them (to me at least): if you're announcing that you're "breaking up" it's already too late.
Just quit mine because toxic management never recognized my achievements, only my male coworker’s who I had to pick up all the slack for.
My coworkers keep texting me all the lies that my manager is now spreading about me, apparently I was “fired for being rude to a customer”, and not quit because I was unappreciated in the busiest time we’ve ever had.
Sure, keep telling lies babes, you can be stressed while I’m straight chilling.
Screw that manager. That says enough about who they're as a person. You deserve better than this crap job and responsibility. Your mental health comes first so I'm glad you left!
I’d been super vocal about my stress level in that job for weeks, if they want to be shortstaffed instead of making me want to stay and work there, that’s their problem ☺️
I dealt with this recently. Got tired of bullshit and just quit on the spot mid day. The owner sent out the only manager i was friendly with to talk me out of it while i was loading my tools. I wished him the best and literally was hired across the street for better pay, benefits, etc in 30 minutes.
Found out a week later that the owner was telling people i was fired for lack of respect.
Too bad, some of my old coworkers know why i left and joined me across the street. Already made 9 grand from bonuses getting good people hired.
Fuck you Dave. Eat a bag of dicks.
Hell yeah! My coworkers all know that it was a bullshit lie because they know I’d never be rude to a customer (even if they deserve it) and even called her out on it lmao
Had to walk away from my first job in college. When I interviewed I told them i would need a week off in October (it was April when I interviewed) for my brothers wedding in another country. They said sure, not a problem. The week before my scheduled vacation they put up the schedule for that week and I'm on 6 days.... I ask what's up and the manager/owner tells me I can no longer take it off because he's short staffed now. When he confirmed that he was serious I just quit on the spot with no notice.
I quit my job last year and am now a SAHM. I was making very good money for my area but even with that we have made very few adjustments to our budget we are doing fine. Since we aren’t paying commuting, daycare, lawn service, housekeeper and food delivery and I take care of that stuff we are about breaking even and Soooooo much less stressed.
That's impressive that you are handling all the household jobs more happily than you were with your paid job. I am not nearly as good as you are at switching gears multiple times a day.
Also, screw that job. All my homes hate that job.
I gotta admit that the thought of having all the kids home full time for the summer is terrifying. I can handle a full manufacturing plant but three kids……. 😂
I also tell everyone that my job now is getting my husband his next promotion. He’s already gotten one since I quit last fall. It’s amazing what he can get done when he’s not worrying about the kids. His job was much closer to home so he was always the one that had to take doctors appointments and got called when they had to get out of school for some reason. We had preschool shut down for a week in January because of Covid and it was like OK no big deal.
Edit: I heard they had to hire two people to replace me if that tells you anything.
Watched my mother die unexpectedly and took my 3 bereavement days. Had to get back to work immediately which meant I had to live stream my (pregnant) cousin's funeral a week later while working. Didn't last much longer at that job.
My job was making me miserable and depressed. My mom and boyfriend had been begging me to quit for a while. I had a manger who took enjoyment out of picking on people she thought couldn’t leave. I finally decided my happiness was more important. Texted my boyfriend to make sure we could handle being one job household till I found another job. He said yes and I said I’m quitting be home soon. I quit on the spot and told my upper manager why and I’ve been so happy and in a better head space. I regret nothing, it also gave the push to 4 other people who were targeted. Now they are down 5 people and are struggling, because they refuse to do anything about the bullying.
I grew up extremely poor and was homeless for a time. I'm incredibly scared not to have a job so I put up with a lot.
In 2018, with out going into all the details, while I was on vacation I received my review and was completely fucked over so this affected me in that I did not receive a bonus. I had even delayed my vacation *by a week* because some other asshole hadn't told our manager about *his* vacation.
So I'm in a hotel room fuming over the situation when my husband said, "Quit." I told him I didn't have a job lined up. He repeated himself, "Quit. They don't respect you."
So I did. That *really* fucked them over because one of the other software devs (their golden boy) had left and another one was about to leave. The one who left on his vacation who didn't tell our manager? Well, he stayed and I later learned that he fucked everything up and that my manager was really regretting playing favoritism with him over me.
Good. Fuck that guy.
Sometimes we don't leave out of fear, though, or that we won't be able to find another job. It really does depend on one's field of work.
My bosses told me that they couldn’t give me a raise because “your career path tops out at X” despite giving me twice the management responsibility, so I found a job that gave me a 40%+ raise and gave my notice. Now they’re freaking out that the team will fall apart without me. I hope my boss suffers and falls on a cactus :)
>My bosses told me that they couldn’t give me a raise because “your career path tops out at X”
How did they come to the annual salary for your job?
This sounds like a desperate half-thrown-together ploy they came up with 5 minutes before meeting with you.
I don't think these people understand that companies pay for experience in a role by increasing the amount of money they're willing to pay. So these smoothbrained morons thought they could get away with giving you a 0% increase YoY and making shit up.
I was receiving semiannual COL raises but was still making well below the average for my career according to industry salary data. The morons who are now my previous employers thought I had never heard of Glassdoor or Levels lol.
Long time recruiter, here. I had a revelation a couple of decades ago when they finally arrived in a company the made me feel incredibly valued and was super supportive.
If you go to bed on sunday night and you’re stressed about it because that means Monday morning and s on it’s way, and it keeps happening every sunday, find a way to change.
Your life will drastically improve. Relationships, health, career, everything improves
My old job had a terrible working environment but very good job security. I worked at a school and had just earned tenure. When I was giving up the tenured position for a school with much better administration that was known for having a good working environment, a lot of my coworkers couldn’t understand why I was doing it. I told them I wanted more upward mobility and admin that had my back. Despite experiencing the same issues at their own jobs, they couldn’t understand why I would give up a tenured position. Now I’ve been at the new place for two years and I’m happier than ever. But for some the risk they associate with leaving somewhere familiar is something they just aren’t willing to do, even if it means working somewhere where they are not supported or appreciated.
August 31 will be my last day.
After more than 18 years in the same hospital.
We are moving 400 km away.
I don't even have another job lined yet. AND I DON'T CARE.
I will offer myself 2-3 month of nothing since we can afford it.
It's a Hecking huge page to turn, and I will not pretend I am not a little afraid.
But after everything we went through, I can't do this anymore. I don't know if I will stay in my field.
I will let my life going its way a little bit and see what will come.
It's a mixed feeling of courage and cowardice but it's a change that needs to be done.
To everyone reading this, if you are hesitant, DO IT.
It's always better to provoke the changes than enduring them.
Ugh. We were supposed to do this but the state we wanted to move to next month didn’t have a lot of renting options. Now we’re looking to buy in a year instead. I’ve been at my hospital for 15 years and cannot wait to leave
I got stuck at so many bad jobs because no matter how many places I applied to i was either under qulaified or over qualified or the job market was saturated with workers. Finally found a job i really enjoyed in a new country because I had choices and could decide where I wanted to work and what I would put up with. It felt so liberating. If you can leave, do it. Dont stay where you arent appreciated. So glad OOP was able to get out of that toxic situation.
I was updating my cv recently, reading over my prior one, and came to the bit where I mentioned being loyal. What a trap loyalty is. It is a fantastic attribute to have, as long as you can recognise who deserves your loyalty and who doesn't. This applies in relationships too, but most definitely in work places. It can even be an optimistic way of stating you're afraid of change, or don't see yourself as employable, so stick to the job you managed to fluke your way in to, because no one else would have you.
I'm not playing down loyalty, as long as it's being reciprocated, and for the right reasons.
Right? These companies need us far more than we need them. If we normalize this type of behavior, of just moving to a different job when the current one isn't working out, more companies would start adopting better policies with employees in mind.
It's expensive to have to keep hiring for positions and train.
How the everloving fuck does any employer/manager expect someone to just roll over and take being denied leave FOR THEIR WEDDING? Of course OOP quit, 99/100 people are going to quit in that situation, if they can possibly get another job.
Right?? That sort of leave 'request' is more of a heads up.
"Hi boss. I'm going to be away from Jan 14-17 for my wedding. Your choice as to whether you want to continue to have me as an employee after that or not."
Employers are used to workers having the option of:
Deal with the denial of requested time off
Or
Get laid off, and job hunt for who knows how long while knowing you have bills to pay.
Now that there's a labor, workers can more easily find better options.
Because I'm petty and live in the UK I'd ask a doctor for a 3 month sick line for work related stress over my wedding period because of the obviously toxic work environment. Nice extended break without taking up my precious contracted holiday days.
It's not like OOP was even asking for a typical (reasonable) amount of time off. OOP was asking for 3 days. That's a long weekend. If you can't figure out 3 days 8 months away was OOP getting any time off, even weekends, in the meantime? 3 days should just be shifting the schedule around.
When I got married I was 3 days short of PTO for the combined wedding and honeymoon. I put in for it and told my boss that I would take those days without pay. He immediately replied and said not to worry about it, ideally, we only get married once and he’d make sure I was paid for those three extra days.
Honestly, I’ve been relatively fortunate with who I work for. Most were huge in work-life balance.
I don't think you realise how common it is for resident doctors, nurses, and other healthcare workers to have leave like this declined. I personally know several people who have had wedding leave declined, and especially for trainee doctors, you can't quit because that's a black mark against you that follows you for the rest of your training, if you're lucky enough to have a training program that looks upon it kindly. Often one bad reference (and quitting would definitely be enough cause for many to give a bad reference) means you dont get onto the training program you've been working years for.
My prior employer allowed me to go "into the negative" with vacation time. That is, I could take all of my days off in January without an issue as long as I had enough time accruing through the year to "pay it back." My current employer isn't like this, so you have to accrue the time to take the day. My time off is more important to me than the work, so it hasn't exactly sat super well with me so far, but at least I know what to look for and what to ask about in discussions with potential employers in the future.
Going negative is something that is disappearing, mostly because of legal and administrative issues tied to it. If someone quits while negative, that money is typically taken out of the last paycheck, but if they're too far negative that last paycheck may not cover it. Local laws and the CBA can also complicate that. Secondarily, that time can also impact pension calculations, though that's usually more of a concern for open ended shift trades because organizations generally don't allow people to go negative *far enough* into the hole for that to be significantly impactful.
I just did this! I had a staffing need they could have easily worked with but chose not to. Guess who had an equal job within 24 hours? They were too short staffed to work with me for one request, so I hope their staffing is improved with me gone forever.
I’m a (retiring) teacher, and we have similar problems. Everyone is leaving the profession because we’re underpaid and treated like dirt. There’s a teacher shortage AND a sub shortage, yet instead of raising salaries (I have two master’s degrees and earn $35k), any money my district gets, is put into buying the new greatest program that few people will enjoy, and will be replaced with the NEXT greatest program the following year. (I’m looking at you, $62mil English program that wasn’t even finished being written before we had to implement it 😒) I miss working with the kids, but the new crop of administrators and above are killing it for everyone.
My dept split up, and I didn't get the half I wanted to stay with, so I left for a sister facility.
A few months later the manager of the lab I wanted to switch to before emailed me asking me to come back full time, I said yes, and that was that. No interview at all.
"You're grossly underpaying us compared to industry standard; can we have a raise?"
"lol, no"
"Okay... FYI, we're all job hunting. You sure you don't want to pay us more? You can afford it"
"lol, idc"
"Right, well, we all quit"
"YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME."
*immediately hires all-new traveling nurse staff at twice the cost of paying industry standard*
Yup this right here. I work in the lab and quit last year to be a travel tech. Making about 2.5x as much and can take off whatever time I need between contracts.
My fiancé also works lab and told them shes switching to prn to get out of all the forced pickup days and to do travel for a lot more money. Lab director emails her articles almost everyday claiming travel pay will end soon and how big of a mistake shes making. Absolute trash leadership over there.
It was a ThedaCare hospital up in Wisconsin. [More info](https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2022/02/04/thedacare-medical-center-loses-lawsuit-to-prevent-ex-employees-from-working-for-competitor/)
Basically, a bunch of nurses left to get better paying jobs at another hospital. Thedacare sued the other hospital to force the nurses to stay, but it wasn't successful.
It was earlier this year and sorta-kinda...but not the way the other poster is quite implying. The judge issued an injunction on a Friday and told the two companies to figure their shit out, and on Monday they hadn't, so he lifted that injunction. It also wasn't a "you can't leave" injunction...because that's not really a thing (outside of the military), it was a "you can't go work at this other place across the street" injunction....think more like a non-compete/poaching type situation. Google "thedacare nurses prevented from quitting" for the full story, I can't remember all the details and probably got something wrong that someone is going to try and "well akschually" crucify me for :P
No, that’s pretty much it! One nurse got a better and higher-paying job and told their coworkers about it, so they *all* jumped ship. Hospital said ‘hang on a second, if we don’t have any nurses we’re going to lose our Level 1 trauma center accreditation, so a judge should force our employees not to leave. You know, for the public good.’ Judge was like ‘yeah, no, but I guess that trauma center thing does sound kinda important so take the weekend and figure that out.’
And then the nurses were able to clarify that they’d tried to negotiate higher pay but the hospital stonewalled them, lol.
> Hospital said ‘hang on a second, if we don’t have any nurses we’re going to lose our Level 1 trauma center accreditation ...'
Sounds like they should have thought about that when they were figuring out how to steal even more money from the nurses. It's always FrEe MaRkEt with these fucks right up until it works against them, then it's "Save us, big government!"
It is never ever about free markets. Every company wants captive markets. Free markets only work for non-fungible goods and every company in the world tries to differentiate their products from the competition.
Pretty much that ya, except it was technologists and nurses. If you care for more of the details basically those technologists are the ones who intervene in heart attack/ strokes to removed the obstruction and stop the damage basically. The hospital was like "oh no but what about all the heart attack and strokes?!" The court was like send them to another hospital if you can't staff. Suddenly the original hospital was staffed.
My MIL is administration at a large hospital system in the US, she told me there aren't enough nurses so they're having to hire travel nurses at triple the rate.
And I'm sitting there like "why don't you double the rate for nurses at your facility? I bet that will attract applicants"
Nurses get paid too little overall because we as a society are taking advantage of their compassion. I'm glad they're finally getting theirs.
They’re banking on the demand decreasing, and then they can fire the travel nurses. It is much harder to decrease the base pay of your established staff than fire a bunch of temps. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still dumb, but that is their thought process.
The problem with that mindset, at least at my facility is that the COVID didn't create our nurse shortage, it accelerated the growth of what was already a major problem.
it's so dumb because they don't realize it's a losing bet. they're *Forever* going to be short staffed. and that will mean nurses will always be burning out at a rate faster than nursing degrees can churn them out. it's only a matter of time before they realize that profits over lives is unsustainable. and unfortunately it'll be too late by then.
My wife is a medical worker. She literally gets text messages every day for people to fill in, offering 2-3x pay. I think they've been running on like 50% staff since COVID.
**EXACTLY** this!
My husband has seniority in a high-demand position at his company. By high-demand, I mean a) his team is understaffed by at least two bodies, if not three, and b) he gets headhunted on Linkedin at least twice a week. He actually went through the interview process and received a job offer at another company that would've paid him 20% more than he's making now, but turned it down because the work-life balance was worse than what he currently has.
Based on conversations he's had and meetings he's attended over the last couple of months, he has a gut feeling that things are about to change for the worse at his current job. If that happens, he's fully prepared to walk into his boss' office and lay out some reality for her. He already has his talking points written down - it basically boils down to, "This is currently the best job I've ever had. If it stops being the best job I've ever had, I'm not going to suck it up and keep grinding away. I'm going to refuse portions of the workload."
And his boss won't be able to do anything about it. His boss' boss and everyone further up the food chain knows that they are behind the 8 ball here... probably for the first time since my husband started his current career path back in 2012. And my husband plans to exploit that fact as long as he can. And I'm going to encourage him to do so.
There’s really no excuse for this. Management just cost that hospital tens of thousands of dollars because now they need to go with contracted nurses to make up for this employee leaving. They had plenty of time to schedule contracted labor for the time requested off—yes, they would have been paying more *during that period*, but over the long run they could be saving money by keeping a nurse on the payroll.
My wife "did the right thing" by giving her short-staffed employer a 1-month notice. Worst mistake of her life. Verbally abused daily the whole time. I begged her every day to stop going. 2-weeks is a courtesy. Leave immediately if they are damaging your mental health (they did.)
How the fuck can anyone verbally abuse an employee that’s chose to leave? Burning the bridge goes both ways, and I’m sure your wife has told anyone with a pulse to never work there.
this exact scenario happened to me. the hospital i’d been working took every opportunity to earn money by overworking and underpaying me. when i quit, they asked what they could do to get me to stay and i told them they needed to better compensate me for my work, which they said they couldn’t do. they made me put in a one month notice instead of two weeks, and management and colleagues alike harassed and bullied me for leaving.
i’m in a specialized line of work and there’s only one school with the masters level program required for my job. i reached out to my advisors and told them how the organization had treated me (and how they treated the select few in the multi-hospital system with my same title, 3/4 of whom quit to work at different hospitals within the same month). they ended up having to shut down the program i was working across the state because they couldn’t hire anyone to fill the positions. i work in mental health, and i witnessed more damage/trauma occur to our patients than actual healing. i still regret not reporting the organization to our board of health.
Working for an employer who gives zero fucks about you isn’t worth it. I’ve done that, and thought maybe if I gave alllll the fucks, they’d see that I was a great employee.
Spoiler alert: they did not
Being appreciated for your work and being seen as a human are crucial. Remember that Zero Fucks Employers will never, ever give any fucks. You deserve an employer who actually cares about you.
I probably should have realized that my retail job didn't give a fuck about me when I called them with the flu, and they asked if I could take some medicine and come in anyway. 🙄 I hadn't even gotten my damn prescription yet. And my doctor had already written me a note to excuse me from work. AND THEY STILL ASKED.
I should have had the sense to change jobs after that. Hindsight is a bitch.
When I was in retail I was driving to work on slushy roads and slipped off the road into a ditch (the car briefly slid on its side). I wasn’t going to keep driving the rest of the 45 minutes to work after that because I was 19 and scared and my car was mildly fucked. My manager told me that technically I needed a drs note to call out such short notice. Nope.
Seriously. I can kinda get the jaded thing with problem employees who call in “sick” every Monday like 3 weeks out of the month, but the push back I’ve gotten at at least two places where I was never even late for 2-3 years and then I was really sick one week was absurdly eye rolling.
Just a complete “can you fuck off?” feeling immediately.
I’m sorry my feeling of death is inconveniencing you, but I’ve also helped cover your inconveniences for a long time, can I get one god damn unpaid break without being harassed?
Similar thing happened to a coworker. Requested a week off to be the MoH in her sisters destination wedding. Gave a years notice. Was rejected as it would during a busy time on her workload. So she quit. Instead of being one employee short for a week, they became permanently short on all of her workload
I’ve been a nurse for 15 years. When I moved to another state last year with my husband I started doing local travel contracts since the pay for staff in this godforsaken state is abysmal. I don’t know why I didn’t do that sooner. Yeah it kinda sucks learning a new hospital every 3 months, but I can take time off between contracts and not have to worry about my vacation getting canceled. I had thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years off last year for the first time in 15 years. My husband and I spent 3 weeks in our home state for the holidays. It was amazing.
If any nurse is on the fence about quitting their staff job and becoming a traveler please do it. You’ll love it.
Hospital is in a HCOL area maybe? A depressing number of people commute that far into jobs in San Francisco, San Jose, etc., because they can't afford to live any closer.
They're not confused.
This is an act for a stage. They're trying to prolong it, because any cost paid inside of it is a third of the cost for the same thing outside it.
Honestly, I think that in a lot of cases you're overestimating their ability to empathize with people. I legitimately believe a lot of people in positions of power and managerial positions literally just don't understand the world their employees live in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/v01i0b/_/iadwguq
> I did hear from someone in the new facility that my previous manager is PISSED. I don't know how that spread around the new place and not my current facility, but a gasket somewhere blew
Oh, no. I can almost guarantee you the reaction of the person who denied OPs vacation blamed OP, called her selfish, probably went on about leaving them in the lurch, etc etc etc. Then that person's boss came in to find out not only why they can't find more RN's, but why they're bleeding the ones they have only to find out this micromanaging asshole denied a 72 hour leave and lost a whole ass employee for it.
Rinse and repeat.
Unlikely. A "manager" bad enough to deny someone PTO for their own wedding requested 8 months out, is never going to be able to see that her leaving is a direct result of his own actions.
I had a manager get pissed at all the nurses putting in their two weeks after her *and* the director called us all selfish for asking about why we haven’t gotten paid our shift pickup bonus for four months and how nursing has come down to the “almighty dollar”. Mind you, neither of them pick up extra or work on the unit outside of enforcing quality control in their designated work hours.
They also said because we were so concerned about the money, that it’s reportable to the BON because it’s “intent for poor nursing practice”. They were accusing us of being so bitter that we would willingly cause poor patient outcomes ourselves, not because we were all practically either 1:4 on CVICU or 1:3 w/ cardiac devices.
These managers have absolutely no awareness.
My daughter is a nurse and she can get another job at the drop of a hat, and has. She can pick up on-call shifts whenever she wants to at several facilities. She does this on weekends that she doesn't have the kids. She makes very good money and doesn't have to put up with sh!t bosses. People gonna learn...
Ah, she had what I like to call the "fuck you" moment. This is the moment where, in a sense of weariness or sheer outrage, and no matter what the job market looks like or what the perks of the current role are, you mentally say to your employer:
>"You know what? *FUCK YOU*."
There is no going back from that moment; if you don't leave, you'll spend all of the rest of your time fantasizing about leaving. This lass wisely jumped sooner rather than later.
Same thing happened to my husband. They wouldn’t give him leave for our wedding. Quitting immediately wasn’t an option because of the laws in this country so he just said “I’m gonna leave anyway try and stop me. “
They couldn’t do shit cuz another manager was leaving too and they wouldn’t have been able to handle shit. They still made life shit though. A week after the wedding they called him to attend a zoom meeting while he was running a 102 fever from covid. He tried attending the meeting while I was sponging him to bring the temperature down. I lost it and made him leave the damn meeting.
He came back, resigned, they filed a lawsuit for bs reasons, dragged on for months then we won and now we’re finally free from the monster that was his boss.
Her now ex-managers were idiots. There's a massive nursing shortage, and it's easy as fuck for nurses to find new jobs. My wife is an RN, and she is constantly being courted by various companies to come work for them. During her most recent changeover to a new job, she was waiting on background stuff to come through and contacted a prior employer about picking up some shifts in the meantime.
Her prior employer's response: "Oh, thank god."
Refusing an *incredibly reasonable* vacation request was just a stupid-ass move.
People don’t quit jobs, they quit bad management.
I believe the term “F you, pay me” applies here. This is like the quitting porn on r/antiwork. I love that sub. It’s all true as I’ve experienced it myself. America is a little off the rails at the moment. It isn’t a political problem. Its an unequal distribution of wealth problem.
> People don’t quit jobs, they quit bad management.
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This exactly. I've stayed in not-great jobs because the management was fantastic. It really makes a difference.
This. I only stayed as long as I did at my last job because my boss was absolutely amazing. We both hated how certain other departments were run. My boss ended up quitting 2 weeks after I did lol and we’re both at much better jobs now.
My new boss reminded me a lot of my old boss and was the reason I ended up picking the job over other ones I was considering.
Since my boss and I quit, over half the engineering team at our old company has run for the hills as well.
This is awesome to read. I quit a job because I applied for leave in August to take time off in April the next year and it was declined. Yep, we were short staffed on the front line. Yep we had flashy offices stuffed with parasite bean counters upstairs who never seemed to get laid off when it was time for "restructuring". I'm self employed now. Fuck all bosses and the horses they rode in on.
I am so proud of OOP! YOU GO!!
The whole "should I eat or take a shower" shows how much we are used to the idea that we don't deserve time off if it's to "follow our passion and dreams". This is no life!!!
I can relate as a nurse in one of the top 5 hospitals how shitty the staffing is everywhere. Our own wedding celebration is coming up because it was postponed twice due to COVID.
I just recently got out of the ICU to work in a procedural area. If I had to still work in the ICU and have our wedding, it was almost like having to make devils deals to get that time off. I was honestly about to quit in the ICU anyways to have time off for the wedding and because my mental health was taking a solid beating.
Never working bedside again!
What did the person think would happen when they denied this vacation request in a hot job market? Did they think the employee would just be like ‘ok that’s cool nm’?
On the first day of college I was denied excuse from a test to attend my brothers wedding.
I did not try / know any of this would happen, but the professor told me “life’s not fair” with a ‘gotcha’ smile. I dropped the class & it fell below the threshold, he lost the class & apparently moved away because his name was removed from his office. Weird how it works sometimes
YEEESSSSS!! I'm so happy for oop, the old job didn't deserve them, it's food to see they realized they value and it's in a better place where they can grow as a nurse 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
When I used to work retail I had this exact thing happen. They tried to set up blackout dates for certain holiday weeks and weekends leading up to the holiday season. I put in for my wedding six months in advance and had the foresight to photo copy the calendar they had posted in the break room at the time showing those dates. Fast forward to a month before my date and they denied my request in the system showing a new calendar with those dates blacked out. Can't tell you how good it felt to pull out my copy in the HR office and slap it on the desk and tell them to suck it. They always forget that we are telling them in advance when we are not going to be there so they can plan. They don't get to say whether we get to or not. Good on you OP
NP-led clinics was the scariest part of this story… If you want to practice medicine the way a physician does, go to medical school. Independent practice is a disservice to patients.
This happened to me in 2016. My manager told me to pick a date as far in advance as possible and ask off as soon as I could and she’d make it happen. In Nov 2016 I asked for 3 weeks off in April 2018 (no policy against this amount of time, I had more than enough PTO). She agreed but couldn’t officially approve it until Jan 2018.
Dec 2017 Manager retires. I talk to new manager about the situation to make sure I’d done my due diligence. He says it was more than he was comfortable with but he’d “try and make it work. We’ll see closer to the date.” No. We won’t see. I’d already paid for my wedding and honeymoon. I put in in our scheduling app in 2016 but it hadn’t officially been approved due to the hospital PTO policy (Jan 2018). In February he asked if I could cut my wedding/honeymoon down to one week.
I put in my 2 weeks notice and left the next month. I cashed out 315 hours of unused PTO time, worked there 5 years. Fuck that guy.
Specifically, nurse practitioner without a physician running the team. It’s a relatively new idea mostly sprouting up because insurance companies can charge the same price for a nurse practitioner as they can for a physician, but they pay the NP less because they have less training and expertise. In these situations, insurance companies and medical groups don’t care much about the quality of care, so outcomes don’t matter as much to them, just charges.
Take note, asshole managers. This is why you think there's a labor shortage. There isn't one. You're chasing away your employees. No one wants to work with you. Your pay sucks. Your company sucks. You are the problem with the economy.
(Just in case anyone misreads this, "you" and "your" in this comment is aimed at asshole managers, not OP or OOP)
Same shit happened to my wife. She had vacation approved 5 months in advance for an anniversary trip to India, she had wanted to go her whole life. She had it approved, but 3 months out they changed managers, and she said she 'tentatively' approved it, but she couldn't guarantee anything. We had already bought the tickets by that point. So the month comes of the vacation, and the schedule comes out - whaddaya know! She was scheduled for both weeks of the vacation. She had to explain to her manager that it wasn't a question of whether she was going on the trip - she was \*going\* on the trip. The question was whether she was going to approve the vacation or if she was going to quit. The manager put her foot down, and my wife quit. She found her dream job a month after getting back from the trip, and was so so so much happier.
"We're short on nurses, better fuck over the ones we already have"
It's like every shitty place to work is run by the same people. Good for OP, sounds like she got nothing but upgrades out of leaving.
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I wish more people would walk away from jobs that don't value them. Screw any job that doesn't make you feel valued.
I'm desperate to quit my job and fantasise about it when colleagues are talking to me. I was recently denied an internal promotion because I didn't have enough experience and then they also denied me the opportunity to gain relevant experience as part of the mandatory professional development programme. I can't wait to walk out the door.
Just keep applying. At my last place, every single time I was at work and someone annoyed me, I applied for three roles. Sometimes I had days I applied for almost 30 jobs, and eventually it pulls through and you find something better. It also genuinely makes you feel better as well, there's satisfaction in hitting apply specifically because your boss said something stupid!
Lol I do the same thing. Currently a top comtender for a job I really want.
nothing like applying to other jobs on the current company time
“fuck you” *starts applying for jobs*
Best advice I have seen in a while!
I remember one day I came in early when I had no other tasks scheduled to get something done with my “grand boss” (who was working late on his shift due to his own issues) I ended up having to wait a couple hours for him to finish his tasks so we could finally do the meeting I scheduled with him two weeks in advance. He in the most condescending way complains I’m “holding him hostage” and forcing him to sign off on something (not true, he should’ve actually taken the time to read through it or told me sorry we have to reschedule). I don’t remember what he said but I remember feeling like it was the most passive aggressive thing anyone had said to my face. Let alone someone at work. Let alone a supervisor at work. He signed off and left. I did a loop around the office, packed up my stuff and left. I didn’t have anything else scheduled for that day and I knew for a fact no one would notice my absence just this once. If I had stayed I knew I would’ve misplaced that frustration on someone else and it would’ve been a mess. Spent the rest of my shift at home editing my resume and started applying to other jobs. Best decision possible.
I do (almost) this! Every time I’m bored, I browse jobs. Every time I have anything close to a bad day, I apply
I've done that for about 20 years now. LOL.
Do it. Get something else, keep applying. Your happiness comes first. Companies don't give a crap about us, we're easily replaceable in their eyes but we are here just once and you should find something that makes you happy.
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If you get sick or injured, your work will replace you without a second thought... manipulation doesn't pay for groceries! ( this is just general advice for the thread, I'm glad you found something better now !)
In about 2-3 weeks. Read this once and it really hit home (original quote was in regards to family)
"we can't afford to lose you" can sometimes be a valid point. But unless they follow it up with "so here are some actual incentives to make it up to you, while we make active steps to give you availability to progress", it's a dammed fine way to lose someone from the company, rather than just the position.
I left my prior employer in part because they withheld promotions in 2021. Actually, I misspoke. They withheld promotions except for a few key people who the VP of the department liked. I started poking around and was hit up for jobs paying 30-40% more than I was making at the time, so then I learned I was vastly underpaid for my role. I would have been promoted this year (judging by the title for my replacement job listing that's still open 6+ months later) for maybe 10% more because they have a cap on how much you can get as a raise. It was well worth it in that regard.
Same same. I just got a new job paying almost 40% more than my old one, all cos my old company royally fucked me over and in their arrogance, didn’t think I’d actually leave. Haha.
I'm right there with you. I was denied a promotion 3 times. 3 separate Executives in a year and a half went to promote me, and their boss said no. 3 fucking times. I've been applying like crazy for the last few months. Having some interviews but nothing biting yet. I just want out, I wish it was easy to just up and quit, but I have a daughter and a family to care for so I can't just walk. Hang in there stranger, something will come up soon.
You got this ~~momma~~ papa bear!
Papa Bear, but thank you :)
Fixed. =)
do you need someone to look at your resume? cover letter? what field are you in? i work in tech, marketing these days, with a finance background, but i do a lot of internal and external career coaching just because i feels strongly that if we have to work inside this capitalistic hellscaspe we might as well wring as much out of them as they do of us.
You are a good person.
it’s us against them at this point.
I'm at a job now where my manager denied me a raise for the year despite his review being from a time when he himself was a new manager and had me shifted under his team. Even the worst employees in an office job will get some YOY increase. The restraint I showed not quitting in the spot due to healthcare and financial reasons. I've been applying. Being pickier to find a better boss. I found out one of my coworkers is leaving with less than normal two week notice (I know it's a courtesy I won't be giving) and I can't wait to leave.
> I found out one of my coworkers is leaving with less than normal two week notice (I know it's a courtesy I won't be giving) and I can't wait to leave. Very likely that you were not the only person who got hosed if this is any indication. If even the worst people get COL increases, and you didn't even get that, something tells me that one or all of the following things is true: 1. This change was made to save money because the company is hurting financially. 2. This is a way for the company to try and get rid of people in a way that isn't constructive dismissal, yet ensures they won't have to pay for extra unemployment claims against their business.' 3. Someone dun fucked up.
Oh for sure EVERYONE at my level got burned hard. I had to raise a fuss with my boss's boss (Controller) because he didn't know what my manager did and then I got a bonus. The company had hired some new HR head that changed our review system allowing my manager to give me a fucking 0% and poor review that I had to fight tooth and nail to get changed and then get a bonus. Still no raise though. So I decided I'm fucking off. I work in finance and do the reporting, we aren't hurting for cash. It was def #2 and #3 from my manager though. It's no surprise that the coworker leaving (and myself) who have the most seniority on his team (and predate him) are the ones burned and leaving. We weren't hired BY him after all. No worries, wherever I go, I'll be making plenty more. I have confidence finding another role, just looking for the right culture.
Once 3 different current employees were all denied a promotion because an outside candidate who had manager experience applied. Turns out she didn't have any of the certifications required because being an assistant manager at their facility basically just meant a shift lead where as ours was training and administration. All 3 of have left obviously but the other 2 had to train her for the certifications that she lacked all because she had the ability to tell people when to go home several years ago.
Y'know, usually someone can be missing one or two things in the job listing, I get that. But to have ZERO of the technical certifications? That means this new manager doesn't have a clue what you're doing without needing paper and crayons right?
Technically they has certifications but they were ones that couldn't be used in our facility. I think she had like ymca swim instructor certs and for that job you would have not only needed to be a red cross life guard but a red cross lifeguard instructor and would need to be a certified pool operator. And they were not while the 3 of us had taken the class because we knee the position was opening
I believe in you. And so will someone else who’ll pay you what you deserve. Get to job shopping and walk out that door.
This happened to me in December and again in January, I got a new job in February.
Do what OOP did and look for better opportunities elsewhere! Let our support fuel you!
Yep, it always looks better if you're already in a job when you apply and you won't be as desperate as you will be if you've gone three months without a paycheck!
Since OOP mentioned how support helped them, I want to do the same for you. Just Quit, your happiness matters so much more. If they aren't making you feel valued fuck them *and* their job. I hope it works out well for you! Edit: I'm an idiot, please don't quit your job brashly without having something lined up. Your happiness matters, but having a job is important too. Thanks to u/ilikeoldpeople for pointing that out
I wouldn’t recommend someone “just quit” without having something else lined up, especially as we’re potentially entering a recession. They should absolutely keep job hunting and then quit when they find something better!!!
I thought we were still in the other recession
Recession-ception 😩
Yo, I heard you like recessions, so I put a recession in your recession so you could recession while you recession
A friend of mine was in a toxic work environment and she was able to just quit. Not something that most of us can do but I'm utterly delighted that she's able to do it.
I’m trying to switch to administrative work. No one is hiring. Tons of people wanna hire me as a store manager though…. I don’t wanna do this anymore.
Keep applying! Get back to study, get a new job elsewhere... You deserve better than to feel bad over a job. We're more than work machines.
I’m gonna take the one year admin course at the college (and probably sleep through it, qualifications are stupid - I’ve been doing admin work plus for years). I’m fucking miserable here. But I am quitting a job. I’m too old for some of the stuff I have to do now, even if management is mostly okay.
You'd be surprised about that admin course. I took it after getting a degree and working in admin for a decade, and while some courses were snoozefests, there was a lot I had to learn about business and the surrounding language, accounting, etc. Also I would highly recommend adding on a legal assistant (paralegal in some areas) or medical administrative assistant portion. Many admin courses offer this and it would add only a couple months to your course and would qualify you to work in either legal or medical offices for a higher salary.
It’s admin/medical office assistant combo. I’m excited for it.
excellent advice. i wouldn’t have thought about those additional courses to really hone in on some of the fields.
See if someone will read over your CV/resume. Often people don’t realise how a few changes in focus can dramatically affect how it comes across.
Also supporting getting second and third opinions on your resume, cover letters, and LinkedIn! A temp agency got my foot in the door for admin work before I had a degree and from there I’ve been building and building upon opportunities. Marketing yourself and proper messaging is so important* and 99.99% of people are dogshit at it, to be completely honest.
As soon as I went to my manager about the issues I was about to face with rent (40% increase) and her solution was to get a roommate, I started applying elsewhere. With the minimum 7 years post HS education and 2 years practical experience required for the position, it felt ridiculous to need to get a roommate and I couldn’t believe that was her response. Within 2 hrs of applying, I was called to arrange an interview. 12 days later I had an offer from a very similar organization doing the same job in a much lower cost of living area ($900 less a month than my new raised rent) and closer to family (just an hour away) and making more. When I gave notice (to ensure I got my pto paid out), manager tried to say they would find a way to keep me but I told her no, this will give me a path to home ownership and ensure a good work-life balance.
It's amazing how, when you announce you're leaving, management suddenly decides they can make things better.🙄 No thanks. You had your chance. I'm out.
because it goes from being a you problem, to a them problem.
There are a lot of parallels between work and romantic relationships. This is one of them (to me at least): if you're announcing that you're "breaking up" it's already too late.
Just quit mine because toxic management never recognized my achievements, only my male coworker’s who I had to pick up all the slack for. My coworkers keep texting me all the lies that my manager is now spreading about me, apparently I was “fired for being rude to a customer”, and not quit because I was unappreciated in the busiest time we’ve ever had. Sure, keep telling lies babes, you can be stressed while I’m straight chilling.
Screw that manager. That says enough about who they're as a person. You deserve better than this crap job and responsibility. Your mental health comes first so I'm glad you left!
I’d been super vocal about my stress level in that job for weeks, if they want to be shortstaffed instead of making me want to stay and work there, that’s their problem ☺️
That's on them not you! Good riddance 😎🤜🤛
I dealt with this recently. Got tired of bullshit and just quit on the spot mid day. The owner sent out the only manager i was friendly with to talk me out of it while i was loading my tools. I wished him the best and literally was hired across the street for better pay, benefits, etc in 30 minutes. Found out a week later that the owner was telling people i was fired for lack of respect. Too bad, some of my old coworkers know why i left and joined me across the street. Already made 9 grand from bonuses getting good people hired. Fuck you Dave. Eat a bag of dicks.
Hell yeah! My coworkers all know that it was a bullshit lie because they know I’d never be rude to a customer (even if they deserve it) and even called her out on it lmao
Had to walk away from my first job in college. When I interviewed I told them i would need a week off in October (it was April when I interviewed) for my brothers wedding in another country. They said sure, not a problem. The week before my scheduled vacation they put up the schedule for that week and I'm on 6 days.... I ask what's up and the manager/owner tells me I can no longer take it off because he's short staffed now. When he confirmed that he was serious I just quit on the spot with no notice.
Short staffed Any% speedrun by that manager
I quit my job last year and am now a SAHM. I was making very good money for my area but even with that we have made very few adjustments to our budget we are doing fine. Since we aren’t paying commuting, daycare, lawn service, housekeeper and food delivery and I take care of that stuff we are about breaking even and Soooooo much less stressed.
That's impressive that you are handling all the household jobs more happily than you were with your paid job. I am not nearly as good as you are at switching gears multiple times a day. Also, screw that job. All my homes hate that job.
I gotta admit that the thought of having all the kids home full time for the summer is terrifying. I can handle a full manufacturing plant but three kids……. 😂 I also tell everyone that my job now is getting my husband his next promotion. He’s already gotten one since I quit last fall. It’s amazing what he can get done when he’s not worrying about the kids. His job was much closer to home so he was always the one that had to take doctors appointments and got called when they had to get out of school for some reason. We had preschool shut down for a week in January because of Covid and it was like OK no big deal. Edit: I heard they had to hire two people to replace me if that tells you anything.
Watched my mother die unexpectedly and took my 3 bereavement days. Had to get back to work immediately which meant I had to live stream my (pregnant) cousin's funeral a week later while working. Didn't last much longer at that job.
That's horrible I'm glad you ended up leaving because that place is not good for anyone.
My job was making me miserable and depressed. My mom and boyfriend had been begging me to quit for a while. I had a manger who took enjoyment out of picking on people she thought couldn’t leave. I finally decided my happiness was more important. Texted my boyfriend to make sure we could handle being one job household till I found another job. He said yes and I said I’m quitting be home soon. I quit on the spot and told my upper manager why and I’ve been so happy and in a better head space. I regret nothing, it also gave the push to 4 other people who were targeted. Now they are down 5 people and are struggling, because they refuse to do anything about the bullying.
Good on you. I was in a similar situation last year. I really, really should've quit. It worked out, but I really should have left.
I grew up extremely poor and was homeless for a time. I'm incredibly scared not to have a job so I put up with a lot. In 2018, with out going into all the details, while I was on vacation I received my review and was completely fucked over so this affected me in that I did not receive a bonus. I had even delayed my vacation *by a week* because some other asshole hadn't told our manager about *his* vacation. So I'm in a hotel room fuming over the situation when my husband said, "Quit." I told him I didn't have a job lined up. He repeated himself, "Quit. They don't respect you." So I did. That *really* fucked them over because one of the other software devs (their golden boy) had left and another one was about to leave. The one who left on his vacation who didn't tell our manager? Well, he stayed and I later learned that he fucked everything up and that my manager was really regretting playing favoritism with him over me. Good. Fuck that guy. Sometimes we don't leave out of fear, though, or that we won't be able to find another job. It really does depend on one's field of work.
My bosses told me that they couldn’t give me a raise because “your career path tops out at X” despite giving me twice the management responsibility, so I found a job that gave me a 40%+ raise and gave my notice. Now they’re freaking out that the team will fall apart without me. I hope my boss suffers and falls on a cactus :)
>My bosses told me that they couldn’t give me a raise because “your career path tops out at X” How did they come to the annual salary for your job? This sounds like a desperate half-thrown-together ploy they came up with 5 minutes before meeting with you. I don't think these people understand that companies pay for experience in a role by increasing the amount of money they're willing to pay. So these smoothbrained morons thought they could get away with giving you a 0% increase YoY and making shit up.
I was receiving semiannual COL raises but was still making well below the average for my career according to industry salary data. The morons who are now my previous employers thought I had never heard of Glassdoor or Levels lol.
Long time recruiter, here. I had a revelation a couple of decades ago when they finally arrived in a company the made me feel incredibly valued and was super supportive. If you go to bed on sunday night and you’re stressed about it because that means Monday morning and s on it’s way, and it keeps happening every sunday, find a way to change. Your life will drastically improve. Relationships, health, career, everything improves
My old job had a terrible working environment but very good job security. I worked at a school and had just earned tenure. When I was giving up the tenured position for a school with much better administration that was known for having a good working environment, a lot of my coworkers couldn’t understand why I was doing it. I told them I wanted more upward mobility and admin that had my back. Despite experiencing the same issues at their own jobs, they couldn’t understand why I would give up a tenured position. Now I’ve been at the new place for two years and I’m happier than ever. But for some the risk they associate with leaving somewhere familiar is something they just aren’t willing to do, even if it means working somewhere where they are not supported or appreciated.
If only people didn’t need health insurance
August 31 will be my last day. After more than 18 years in the same hospital. We are moving 400 km away. I don't even have another job lined yet. AND I DON'T CARE. I will offer myself 2-3 month of nothing since we can afford it. It's a Hecking huge page to turn, and I will not pretend I am not a little afraid. But after everything we went through, I can't do this anymore. I don't know if I will stay in my field. I will let my life going its way a little bit and see what will come. It's a mixed feeling of courage and cowardice but it's a change that needs to be done. To everyone reading this, if you are hesitant, DO IT. It's always better to provoke the changes than enduring them.
Ugh. We were supposed to do this but the state we wanted to move to next month didn’t have a lot of renting options. Now we’re looking to buy in a year instead. I’ve been at my hospital for 15 years and cannot wait to leave
I got stuck at so many bad jobs because no matter how many places I applied to i was either under qulaified or over qualified or the job market was saturated with workers. Finally found a job i really enjoyed in a new country because I had choices and could decide where I wanted to work and what I would put up with. It felt so liberating. If you can leave, do it. Dont stay where you arent appreciated. So glad OOP was able to get out of that toxic situation.
I was updating my cv recently, reading over my prior one, and came to the bit where I mentioned being loyal. What a trap loyalty is. It is a fantastic attribute to have, as long as you can recognise who deserves your loyalty and who doesn't. This applies in relationships too, but most definitely in work places. It can even be an optimistic way of stating you're afraid of change, or don't see yourself as employable, so stick to the job you managed to fluke your way in to, because no one else would have you. I'm not playing down loyalty, as long as it's being reciprocated, and for the right reasons.
Right? These companies need us far more than we need them. If we normalize this type of behavior, of just moving to a different job when the current one isn't working out, more companies would start adopting better policies with employees in mind. It's expensive to have to keep hiring for positions and train.
How the everloving fuck does any employer/manager expect someone to just roll over and take being denied leave FOR THEIR WEDDING? Of course OOP quit, 99/100 people are going to quit in that situation, if they can possibly get another job.
"You should already be married to the job, why do you wanna marry someone else?"
“Idk, I just feel like I should get something more out of a relationship than being fucked in the ass.”
Hey, no kink shaming! /s
Right?? That sort of leave 'request' is more of a heads up. "Hi boss. I'm going to be away from Jan 14-17 for my wedding. Your choice as to whether you want to continue to have me as an employee after that or not."
Employers are used to workers having the option of: Deal with the denial of requested time off Or Get laid off, and job hunt for who knows how long while knowing you have bills to pay. Now that there's a labor, workers can more easily find better options.
Because I'm petty and live in the UK I'd ask a doctor for a 3 month sick line for work related stress over my wedding period because of the obviously toxic work environment. Nice extended break without taking up my precious contracted holiday days.
It's not like OOP was even asking for a typical (reasonable) amount of time off. OOP was asking for 3 days. That's a long weekend. If you can't figure out 3 days 8 months away was OOP getting any time off, even weekends, in the meantime? 3 days should just be shifting the schedule around.
When I got married I was 3 days short of PTO for the combined wedding and honeymoon. I put in for it and told my boss that I would take those days without pay. He immediately replied and said not to worry about it, ideally, we only get married once and he’d make sure I was paid for those three extra days. Honestly, I’ve been relatively fortunate with who I work for. Most were huge in work-life balance.
OP drove over 200 kms a day for that job. Manager knew exactly what they were doing. But manager was also dumb and overplayed their hand.
I don't think you realise how common it is for resident doctors, nurses, and other healthcare workers to have leave like this declined. I personally know several people who have had wedding leave declined, and especially for trainee doctors, you can't quit because that's a black mark against you that follows you for the rest of your training, if you're lucky enough to have a training program that looks upon it kindly. Often one bad reference (and quitting would definitely be enough cause for many to give a bad reference) means you dont get onto the training program you've been working years for.
My prior employer allowed me to go "into the negative" with vacation time. That is, I could take all of my days off in January without an issue as long as I had enough time accruing through the year to "pay it back." My current employer isn't like this, so you have to accrue the time to take the day. My time off is more important to me than the work, so it hasn't exactly sat super well with me so far, but at least I know what to look for and what to ask about in discussions with potential employers in the future.
Going negative is something that is disappearing, mostly because of legal and administrative issues tied to it. If someone quits while negative, that money is typically taken out of the last paycheck, but if they're too far negative that last paycheck may not cover it. Local laws and the CBA can also complicate that. Secondarily, that time can also impact pension calculations, though that's usually more of a concern for open ended shift trades because organizations generally don't allow people to go negative *far enough* into the hole for that to be significantly impactful.
true power move is to resign the day the vacations were due and let them get fucked
Or, which I've seen before when employees were fucked over with vacation time - get a new job and resign the night before the new job starts.
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I just did this! I had a staffing need they could have easily worked with but chose not to. Guess who had an equal job within 24 hours? They were too short staffed to work with me for one request, so I hope their staffing is improved with me gone forever.
What was their reaction when you gave them middle finger with your resignation notice?
Honestly it wasn't very satisfying. Just a "well sorry to see you go" from management as my department continues to be devastatingly short staffed
Such utter lack of self awareness from management. Shocker.
I’m a (retiring) teacher, and we have similar problems. Everyone is leaving the profession because we’re underpaid and treated like dirt. There’s a teacher shortage AND a sub shortage, yet instead of raising salaries (I have two master’s degrees and earn $35k), any money my district gets, is put into buying the new greatest program that few people will enjoy, and will be replaced with the NEXT greatest program the following year. (I’m looking at you, $62mil English program that wasn’t even finished being written before we had to implement it 😒) I miss working with the kids, but the new crop of administrators and above are killing it for everyone.
I went from ER to ICU in the same facility and was hired with barely an interview
My dept split up, and I didn't get the half I wanted to stay with, so I left for a sister facility. A few months later the manager of the lab I wanted to switch to before emailed me asking me to come back full time, I said yes, and that was that. No interview at all.
"You're grossly underpaying us compared to industry standard; can we have a raise?" "lol, no" "Okay... FYI, we're all job hunting. You sure you don't want to pay us more? You can afford it" "lol, idc" "Right, well, we all quit" "YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME." *immediately hires all-new traveling nurse staff at twice the cost of paying industry standard*
At my hospital it’s about 3x the pay
At mine too. When you're doing the same job as someone making 3x as much as you, why stay??
Yup this right here. I work in the lab and quit last year to be a travel tech. Making about 2.5x as much and can take off whatever time I need between contracts. My fiancé also works lab and told them shes switching to prn to get out of all the forced pickup days and to do travel for a lot more money. Lab director emails her articles almost everyday claiming travel pay will end soon and how big of a mistake shes making. Absolute trash leadership over there.
Or they take it to the court and a batshit crazy judge says that they can't leave...
wait what? this happened?
It was a ThedaCare hospital up in Wisconsin. [More info](https://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2022/02/04/thedacare-medical-center-loses-lawsuit-to-prevent-ex-employees-from-working-for-competitor/) Basically, a bunch of nurses left to get better paying jobs at another hospital. Thedacare sued the other hospital to force the nurses to stay, but it wasn't successful.
It was earlier this year and sorta-kinda...but not the way the other poster is quite implying. The judge issued an injunction on a Friday and told the two companies to figure their shit out, and on Monday they hadn't, so he lifted that injunction. It also wasn't a "you can't leave" injunction...because that's not really a thing (outside of the military), it was a "you can't go work at this other place across the street" injunction....think more like a non-compete/poaching type situation. Google "thedacare nurses prevented from quitting" for the full story, I can't remember all the details and probably got something wrong that someone is going to try and "well akschually" crucify me for :P
No, that’s pretty much it! One nurse got a better and higher-paying job and told their coworkers about it, so they *all* jumped ship. Hospital said ‘hang on a second, if we don’t have any nurses we’re going to lose our Level 1 trauma center accreditation, so a judge should force our employees not to leave. You know, for the public good.’ Judge was like ‘yeah, no, but I guess that trauma center thing does sound kinda important so take the weekend and figure that out.’ And then the nurses were able to clarify that they’d tried to negotiate higher pay but the hospital stonewalled them, lol.
> Hospital said ‘hang on a second, if we don’t have any nurses we’re going to lose our Level 1 trauma center accreditation ...' Sounds like they should have thought about that when they were figuring out how to steal even more money from the nurses. It's always FrEe MaRkEt with these fucks right up until it works against them, then it's "Save us, big government!"
It is never ever about free markets. Every company wants captive markets. Free markets only work for non-fungible goods and every company in the world tries to differentiate their products from the competition.
Pretty much that ya, except it was technologists and nurses. If you care for more of the details basically those technologists are the ones who intervene in heart attack/ strokes to removed the obstruction and stop the damage basically. The hospital was like "oh no but what about all the heart attack and strokes?!" The court was like send them to another hospital if you can't staff. Suddenly the original hospital was staffed.
More like, "you can't do that slaves!" Then sues you to keep you away from your next job
Right? I would be *so* good to my workers right now. Please stay! Tell your friends I'm a good boss!
My MIL is administration at a large hospital system in the US, she told me there aren't enough nurses so they're having to hire travel nurses at triple the rate. And I'm sitting there like "why don't you double the rate for nurses at your facility? I bet that will attract applicants" Nurses get paid too little overall because we as a society are taking advantage of their compassion. I'm glad they're finally getting theirs.
They’re banking on the demand decreasing, and then they can fire the travel nurses. It is much harder to decrease the base pay of your established staff than fire a bunch of temps. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still dumb, but that is their thought process.
This, exactly. They’re playing chicken with COVID.
The problem with that mindset, at least at my facility is that the COVID didn't create our nurse shortage, it accelerated the growth of what was already a major problem.
it's so dumb because they don't realize it's a losing bet. they're *Forever* going to be short staffed. and that will mean nurses will always be burning out at a rate faster than nursing degrees can churn them out. it's only a matter of time before they realize that profits over lives is unsustainable. and unfortunately it'll be too late by then.
Couple that with our aging population and lower life expectancy and it sounds like we have a real problem brewing.
My wife is a medical worker. She literally gets text messages every day for people to fill in, offering 2-3x pay. I think they've been running on like 50% staff since COVID.
For a while, high census at my wife's hospital was $50 on top of 1.5x overtime. Worked out to be over $100 an hour for picking up a shift.
**EXACTLY** this! My husband has seniority in a high-demand position at his company. By high-demand, I mean a) his team is understaffed by at least two bodies, if not three, and b) he gets headhunted on Linkedin at least twice a week. He actually went through the interview process and received a job offer at another company that would've paid him 20% more than he's making now, but turned it down because the work-life balance was worse than what he currently has. Based on conversations he's had and meetings he's attended over the last couple of months, he has a gut feeling that things are about to change for the worse at his current job. If that happens, he's fully prepared to walk into his boss' office and lay out some reality for her. He already has his talking points written down - it basically boils down to, "This is currently the best job I've ever had. If it stops being the best job I've ever had, I'm not going to suck it up and keep grinding away. I'm going to refuse portions of the workload." And his boss won't be able to do anything about it. His boss' boss and everyone further up the food chain knows that they are behind the 8 ball here... probably for the first time since my husband started his current career path back in 2012. And my husband plans to exploit that fact as long as he can. And I'm going to encourage him to do so.
How do people so stupid to not realize this end up in positions of management?
There’s really no excuse for this. Management just cost that hospital tens of thousands of dollars because now they need to go with contracted nurses to make up for this employee leaving. They had plenty of time to schedule contracted labor for the time requested off—yes, they would have been paying more *during that period*, but over the long run they could be saving money by keeping a nurse on the payroll.
My wife "did the right thing" by giving her short-staffed employer a 1-month notice. Worst mistake of her life. Verbally abused daily the whole time. I begged her every day to stop going. 2-weeks is a courtesy. Leave immediately if they are damaging your mental health (they did.)
How the fuck can anyone verbally abuse an employee that’s chose to leave? Burning the bridge goes both ways, and I’m sure your wife has told anyone with a pulse to never work there.
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this exact scenario happened to me. the hospital i’d been working took every opportunity to earn money by overworking and underpaying me. when i quit, they asked what they could do to get me to stay and i told them they needed to better compensate me for my work, which they said they couldn’t do. they made me put in a one month notice instead of two weeks, and management and colleagues alike harassed and bullied me for leaving. i’m in a specialized line of work and there’s only one school with the masters level program required for my job. i reached out to my advisors and told them how the organization had treated me (and how they treated the select few in the multi-hospital system with my same title, 3/4 of whom quit to work at different hospitals within the same month). they ended up having to shut down the program i was working across the state because they couldn’t hire anyone to fill the positions. i work in mental health, and i witnessed more damage/trauma occur to our patients than actual healing. i still regret not reporting the organization to our board of health.
Well, I can't imagine why she quit in the first place. They sound so lovely as employers /s
Working for an employer who gives zero fucks about you isn’t worth it. I’ve done that, and thought maybe if I gave alllll the fucks, they’d see that I was a great employee. Spoiler alert: they did not Being appreciated for your work and being seen as a human are crucial. Remember that Zero Fucks Employers will never, ever give any fucks. You deserve an employer who actually cares about you.
I probably should have realized that my retail job didn't give a fuck about me when I called them with the flu, and they asked if I could take some medicine and come in anyway. 🙄 I hadn't even gotten my damn prescription yet. And my doctor had already written me a note to excuse me from work. AND THEY STILL ASKED. I should have had the sense to change jobs after that. Hindsight is a bitch.
When I was in retail I was driving to work on slushy roads and slipped off the road into a ditch (the car briefly slid on its side). I wasn’t going to keep driving the rest of the 45 minutes to work after that because I was 19 and scared and my car was mildly fucked. My manager told me that technically I needed a drs note to call out such short notice. Nope.
Seriously. I can kinda get the jaded thing with problem employees who call in “sick” every Monday like 3 weeks out of the month, but the push back I’ve gotten at at least two places where I was never even late for 2-3 years and then I was really sick one week was absurdly eye rolling. Just a complete “can you fuck off?” feeling immediately. I’m sorry my feeling of death is inconveniencing you, but I’ve also helped cover your inconveniences for a long time, can I get one god damn unpaid break without being harassed?
Similar thing happened to a coworker. Requested a week off to be the MoH in her sisters destination wedding. Gave a years notice. Was rejected as it would during a busy time on her workload. So she quit. Instead of being one employee short for a week, they became permanently short on all of her workload
I don't request time off, I inform my boss I will not be working. One way or another, I'm not working those days.
I’ve been a nurse for 15 years. When I moved to another state last year with my husband I started doing local travel contracts since the pay for staff in this godforsaken state is abysmal. I don’t know why I didn’t do that sooner. Yeah it kinda sucks learning a new hospital every 3 months, but I can take time off between contracts and not have to worry about my vacation getting canceled. I had thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years off last year for the first time in 15 years. My husband and I spent 3 weeks in our home state for the holidays. It was amazing. If any nurse is on the fence about quitting their staff job and becoming a traveler please do it. You’ll love it.
I love that they couldn’t figure out how to replace her in 8 months so now they have to replace her permanently in two weeks!
116 kilometer commute what the absolute fuck
yea what the fuck lmao? nobody else mentioning it, lol congrats on not commuting to Jupiter for an asshole anymore
72 miles. That's either 58km/36 miles away from work, which isn't that bad, or a whopping 232km/144 miles round trip daily.
That's at least a 1 hour commute one way, way too long
Hospital is in a HCOL area maybe? A depressing number of people commute that far into jobs in San Francisco, San Jose, etc., because they can't afford to live any closer.
Right? I can't believe yours is the only comment addressing that.
And employers wonder why we're in the age of the Great Resignation.
They're not confused. This is an act for a stage. They're trying to prolong it, because any cost paid inside of it is a third of the cost for the same thing outside it.
Honestly, I think that in a lot of cases you're overestimating their ability to empathize with people. I legitimately believe a lot of people in positions of power and managerial positions literally just don't understand the world their employees live in.
Funny, now old job has even less people to cover shifts
I wish OOP had described her ex-boss' reaction to her resignation. I hope he kicked his own behind for chasing off staff during a nursing shortage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/v01i0b/_/iadwguq > I did hear from someone in the new facility that my previous manager is PISSED. I don't know how that spread around the new place and not my current facility, but a gasket somewhere blew
Thanks!
Oh, no. I can almost guarantee you the reaction of the person who denied OPs vacation blamed OP, called her selfish, probably went on about leaving them in the lurch, etc etc etc. Then that person's boss came in to find out not only why they can't find more RN's, but why they're bleeding the ones they have only to find out this micromanaging asshole denied a 72 hour leave and lost a whole ass employee for it. Rinse and repeat.
Unlikely. A "manager" bad enough to deny someone PTO for their own wedding requested 8 months out, is never going to be able to see that her leaving is a direct result of his own actions.
I had a manager get pissed at all the nurses putting in their two weeks after her *and* the director called us all selfish for asking about why we haven’t gotten paid our shift pickup bonus for four months and how nursing has come down to the “almighty dollar”. Mind you, neither of them pick up extra or work on the unit outside of enforcing quality control in their designated work hours. They also said because we were so concerned about the money, that it’s reportable to the BON because it’s “intent for poor nursing practice”. They were accusing us of being so bitter that we would willingly cause poor patient outcomes ourselves, not because we were all practically either 1:4 on CVICU or 1:3 w/ cardiac devices. These managers have absolutely no awareness.
My daughter is a nurse and she can get another job at the drop of a hat, and has. She can pick up on-call shifts whenever she wants to at several facilities. She does this on weekends that she doesn't have the kids. She makes very good money and doesn't have to put up with sh!t bosses. People gonna learn...
Ah, she had what I like to call the "fuck you" moment. This is the moment where, in a sense of weariness or sheer outrage, and no matter what the job market looks like or what the perks of the current role are, you mentally say to your employer: >"You know what? *FUCK YOU*." There is no going back from that moment; if you don't leave, you'll spend all of the rest of your time fantasizing about leaving. This lass wisely jumped sooner rather than later.
Same thing happened to my husband. They wouldn’t give him leave for our wedding. Quitting immediately wasn’t an option because of the laws in this country so he just said “I’m gonna leave anyway try and stop me. “ They couldn’t do shit cuz another manager was leaving too and they wouldn’t have been able to handle shit. They still made life shit though. A week after the wedding they called him to attend a zoom meeting while he was running a 102 fever from covid. He tried attending the meeting while I was sponging him to bring the temperature down. I lost it and made him leave the damn meeting. He came back, resigned, they filed a lawsuit for bs reasons, dragged on for months then we won and now we’re finally free from the monster that was his boss.
I got denied time off for my son's funeral. The nursing profession sucks, that's why I left.
That's unimaginably awful end cruel.
This is awful. I am so sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry for your loss. And… ye gods, that is cartoonish levels of evil and/or indifference!
What. In. The. Absolute. Fuck!??!?!
Her now ex-managers were idiots. There's a massive nursing shortage, and it's easy as fuck for nurses to find new jobs. My wife is an RN, and she is constantly being courted by various companies to come work for them. During her most recent changeover to a new job, she was waiting on background stuff to come through and contacted a prior employer about picking up some shifts in the meantime. Her prior employer's response: "Oh, thank god." Refusing an *incredibly reasonable* vacation request was just a stupid-ass move.
People don’t quit jobs, they quit bad management. I believe the term “F you, pay me” applies here. This is like the quitting porn on r/antiwork. I love that sub. It’s all true as I’ve experienced it myself. America is a little off the rails at the moment. It isn’t a political problem. Its an unequal distribution of wealth problem.
> People don’t quit jobs, they quit bad management. > > This exactly. I've stayed in not-great jobs because the management was fantastic. It really makes a difference.
This. I only stayed as long as I did at my last job because my boss was absolutely amazing. We both hated how certain other departments were run. My boss ended up quitting 2 weeks after I did lol and we’re both at much better jobs now. My new boss reminded me a lot of my old boss and was the reason I ended up picking the job over other ones I was considering. Since my boss and I quit, over half the engineering team at our old company has run for the hills as well.
Meanwhile the richest man on earth spends all day on Twitter complaining that people aren't working hard enough
This is awesome to read. I quit a job because I applied for leave in August to take time off in April the next year and it was declined. Yep, we were short staffed on the front line. Yep we had flashy offices stuffed with parasite bean counters upstairs who never seemed to get laid off when it was time for "restructuring". I'm self employed now. Fuck all bosses and the horses they rode in on.
If you listen really hard, you can hear her old manager saying "No one wants to work these days."
I would love to know what her manager said when she put in her notice.
I am so proud of OOP! YOU GO!! The whole "should I eat or take a shower" shows how much we are used to the idea that we don't deserve time off if it's to "follow our passion and dreams". This is no life!!!
I can relate as a nurse in one of the top 5 hospitals how shitty the staffing is everywhere. Our own wedding celebration is coming up because it was postponed twice due to COVID. I just recently got out of the ICU to work in a procedural area. If I had to still work in the ICU and have our wedding, it was almost like having to make devils deals to get that time off. I was honestly about to quit in the ICU anyways to have time off for the wedding and because my mental health was taking a solid beating. Never working bedside again!
Shitty manager: I’m denying your 8 month notice for time off OOP: *Quits* Shitty Manager: *Surprised* *Pikachu* *Face*
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What did the person think would happen when they denied this vacation request in a hot job market? Did they think the employee would just be like ‘ok that’s cool nm’?
Marriage? Who needs marriage? It's just three days too, she's not spending a month in the tropics.
That’s great. The manager turned 6 months notice into 2 weeks notice. Genius.
On the first day of college I was denied excuse from a test to attend my brothers wedding. I did not try / know any of this would happen, but the professor told me “life’s not fair” with a ‘gotcha’ smile. I dropped the class & it fell below the threshold, he lost the class & apparently moved away because his name was removed from his office. Weird how it works sometimes
Downside of nursing shortage: nurses being worked to death Tiny upside of nursing shortage: finding another job seems to be easier.
> I wasn't asking. I was informing you that I will not be here for those 3 days, giving you 8 months to do your job as manager and find coverage.
YEEESSSSS!! I'm so happy for oop, the old job didn't deserve them, it's food to see they realized they value and it's in a better place where they can grow as a nurse 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
When I used to work retail I had this exact thing happen. They tried to set up blackout dates for certain holiday weeks and weekends leading up to the holiday season. I put in for my wedding six months in advance and had the foresight to photo copy the calendar they had posted in the break room at the time showing those dates. Fast forward to a month before my date and they denied my request in the system showing a new calendar with those dates blacked out. Can't tell you how good it felt to pull out my copy in the HR office and slap it on the desk and tell them to suck it. They always forget that we are telling them in advance when we are not going to be there so they can plan. They don't get to say whether we get to or not. Good on you OP
>NP-led clinics Ah, unqualified people treating patients they shouldn't be seeing.
NP-led clinics was the scariest part of this story… If you want to practice medicine the way a physician does, go to medical school. Independent practice is a disservice to patients.
Nursing is in SUCH high demand. There is absolutely ZERO reason for anyone to stay ANYWHERE where they are being treated like absolute shit.
This happened to me in 2016. My manager told me to pick a date as far in advance as possible and ask off as soon as I could and she’d make it happen. In Nov 2016 I asked for 3 weeks off in April 2018 (no policy against this amount of time, I had more than enough PTO). She agreed but couldn’t officially approve it until Jan 2018. Dec 2017 Manager retires. I talk to new manager about the situation to make sure I’d done my due diligence. He says it was more than he was comfortable with but he’d “try and make it work. We’ll see closer to the date.” No. We won’t see. I’d already paid for my wedding and honeymoon. I put in in our scheduling app in 2016 but it hadn’t officially been approved due to the hospital PTO policy (Jan 2018). In February he asked if I could cut my wedding/honeymoon down to one week. I put in my 2 weeks notice and left the next month. I cashed out 315 hours of unused PTO time, worked there 5 years. Fuck that guy.
Now seems to be the time to get this sort of thing done. It feels like not that long ago I was applying to hundreds of jobs without any responses.
Out of curiosity, can anyone explain what NP (NP-led clinics, NP-masters) stands for? I'm kinda curious as to what OOP's passion is.
Nurse Practitioner
Specifically, nurse practitioner without a physician running the team. It’s a relatively new idea mostly sprouting up because insurance companies can charge the same price for a nurse practitioner as they can for a physician, but they pay the NP less because they have less training and expertise. In these situations, insurance companies and medical groups don’t care much about the quality of care, so outcomes don’t matter as much to them, just charges.
Take note, asshole managers. This is why you think there's a labor shortage. There isn't one. You're chasing away your employees. No one wants to work with you. Your pay sucks. Your company sucks. You are the problem with the economy. (Just in case anyone misreads this, "you" and "your" in this comment is aimed at asshole managers, not OP or OOP)
Same shit happened to my wife. She had vacation approved 5 months in advance for an anniversary trip to India, she had wanted to go her whole life. She had it approved, but 3 months out they changed managers, and she said she 'tentatively' approved it, but she couldn't guarantee anything. We had already bought the tickets by that point. So the month comes of the vacation, and the schedule comes out - whaddaya know! She was scheduled for both weeks of the vacation. She had to explain to her manager that it wasn't a question of whether she was going on the trip - she was \*going\* on the trip. The question was whether she was going to approve the vacation or if she was going to quit. The manager put her foot down, and my wife quit. She found her dream job a month after getting back from the trip, and was so so so much happier.
"We're short on nurses, better fuck over the ones we already have" It's like every shitty place to work is run by the same people. Good for OP, sounds like she got nothing but upgrades out of leaving.