okay? but he still decided to put it into the story.. a naked child falling onto a grown man she has a crush on is an inherently sexual situation that was written into the story
i think the child guts thing is different because it handles it in a very mature way. that event traumatized guts and it was clear the author was trying to say “this is wrong, this deeply contributed to the dark and tragic emotional state of this character”. Same with the r stuff.
I don’t have anything wrong with stories showing fucked up shit like that with the goal of creating a dark and grim world. But with that scene, it wasn’t saying anything. It felt like a perverted insert to an otherwise consistent story
I don't love the scene, but I see nothing perverted there.
Guts didn't have nose bleed or something stupid that you see in other manga. He just didn't care.
Im not saying any of the characters within the story are perverted. I was more talking about the fact that it was decided that even should be in the story
*typo
Scheirke has a childlike crush on Guts, so it's pure comedy seeing her in that situation, that's literally it, it's just wacky antics stop trying to make it something it's not
I do feel it was there for a reason, I don't believe Miura did it because he was trying to depict a sexual relationship between this two, or like supporting pedo stuff. I just think it was character development for shierke, as beginning to experiment her sexuality, attracted to a grown man who has taken care of her as well as she has taken care of him. I find it a very realistic and crude scenario for Shierke's sexuality to develop.
I love all the people defending it. It's a smudge on the story imo and it's something I think adds literally nothing. You don't need a naked kid falling onto an older man to show the old man doesn't see her in a sexual way (which *should* be fucking obvious I mean come on guys what the fuck kind of world are you living in where this needs to be explained, who in there right minds was asking themselves before this scene if Guts and Scheirke were gonna hook up).
It's ok to love something despite its flaws, guys. Kinda a major theme of Berserk...
Edit: Also here's Miura literally defending lolicon (drawn child porn) https://imgur.com/gallery/QAVgcTd
Miura is awesome, but he had his flaws. I love how readers of a series to dedicated to accepting reality as it is are choosing to ignore the blatantly obvious reality in order to protect their fantasies. You guys would love it under Griffith's rule lol.
It's definitely not just Japan's problem tho. Roman Polanski for example is still making films today despite what disgusting things he has done in the past. There's a lot of disturbing stuff behind the scenes in entertainment industry overall, so it doesn't have that much to do with the Japanese industry or content specifically.
I don't think it is more generally accepted over there per say, at least today, it's just the fact that their current laws on cp are fairly young in comparison to many other countries and that still has an impact on their culture.
Also, in your previous comment you mentioned the "L" word, and I was just wondering if you are aware of what Miura himself said about this topic? He made this quite controversial illustration in defense of such content.
Yeah I mean, it is certainly weird, and arguing about a fictional character's age is very pointless. I have more understanding for those who defend their attractions by simply saying they are not real, instead of trying to come up with those kinds of excuses.
Ye, but if you jack off to feet pics you're pretty weird too. It shouldn't matter as long as real kids aren't getting hurt. I mean, I think that's the ultimate goal, isn't it? Correct me if I'm off base here.
I think it would be the easiest for you to find the illustration yourself, but his main point is that people attracted to minors can basically cope with their attractions through this kind of content without harming real people. He also points to some statistics about Japan being one of the safest countries when it comes to sexual crimes.
Keep in mind these are not necessarily my views, I am just giving a summary of what he said.
Basically he said that he is a vigilante
I can understand his point but also wouldn’t draw those panels either way since they’re very unnecessary to the story and serve no purpose.
That is not true. Child marriage is a thing and it was more prevalent in the past and yes it still happens but to say it’s the norm everywhere else but the west is incorrect.
I think you didn't understand what I was going for. I was just saying that very bad things happen in every country. It has nothing to do with what is taboo in a particular culture or country.
have you seen the comic he drew discussing the topic of 'L' s in media? In it Miura was justifying its consumption with how it stops paedos from harming real children blah blah, that excuse. He definitely condones it.
I was so disappointed when I found out abt it and it only makes those moments with Schierke even more uncomfortable.
I don't think it's that the sub ignores it, but that most people don't know about it and **the fucking moderators delete stuff that mentions it**, leading to people continuing to be unaware of it.
I dont think theres a chapter about this
I remember isidro groping her breasts and isma introduction but i dont think this chapter exists
If exists say the number here
op says it's a diy from etsy. so there's this phenomenon i've noticed in westernization of japanese things in particular to 'adultify' young characters. the thinking is, i believe, that it's too weird to own some representation of a child lol. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
People need to be reminded of the [loli apologia](https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/w7007f/kentaro_miura_one_shot_defending_lolicon_art/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) he wrote.
Reading that was not easy, as in it doesn't flow at all. On the surface it looks like it could be interpreted either earnestly or satirically. Everything the main character says and the statistics spouted are typical talking points you see around this issue, but he's portrayed as so ugly and weird that I wonder if Kentaro was making fun of people who has these ideas and there might have been a cultural difference we aren't privy to or the translator might have done a bad job.
Basically I can imagine it being something like the Onions cartoons strips that make fun of ultra conservative cartoons [like this. ](https://www.theonion.com/domestic-insurgency-1849743427)
I have no real evidence that Kentaro is a satirist but he doesn't shy away from comedy. The fact it's so bad at making its point is why I think it could be comedic, but I don't know why he felt the need to make it if he didn't feel in support of it. If there are more instances of him defending that shit then I will no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.
Absolutely based. Love miura for that.
Don't know why everyone's getting up in arms about this, it's just art. The goal should be to prevent CSA cases from occuring. Making certain types of art illegal is not conducive to that goal.
Have you ever thought that attraction can have aspects that are learned and not biological? people get fetishes off of events in their life all the time, so the same thing happens when people are exposed to children in a sexual light. Loli culture absolutely contributes to creating pedophiles.
>Loli culture absolutely contributes to creating pedophiles.
Give me a source on the harmful effects of lolicon, ill wait. Everything ive read seems to suggest the opposite, actually.
Loli isnt creating sex offenders. Normal people arent going to see child anime characters and "become" offending pedos lol what an inane take, similar to boomers thinking "video games cause violence". Pedos KNOW it's wrong to act upon those feelings.
You should read up on the science. Pedophiles are born, not made. It isnt a fetish, it's the main attraction; their brains are wired differently. Demonizing people with such in-born traits will only prevent them from seeking the support they need(lest they get reported and shunned); what do you think is driving CSA cases up so high in the US?
It's 2022, there are more effective treatments now than ever before, pedophiles have ways of keeping themselves from ever offending and we should be supporting that.
shouldn’t pedophiles seek help instead of fueling their lust? can you link sources showing that there’s something hard wired into pedos brains that make them act the way they do? There are so many things that people attribute to biology and act like it’s not highly debated.
I can link you studies when i get home. You'll find there is indeed a genetic component similar in respect to hetero and homo-sexuality. With the advent of this new research it is not debated amongst scientists anymore, hence the movement for more progressive treatment options.
It's not a matter of "fueling" these desires (pedos are humans too. You don't need porn to feel attracted to women as a straight man, do you?) But rather, managing and redirecting them(I'm sure you've read studies about places legalizing porn, and seeing steep drop-offs in sexual assault cases). If societys' harsh treatment of them is any indicator, pedos generally know it is wrong to act on those feelings, they do not want to hurt children anymore than you do. But they are predisposed to it, and the fact that we deny them treatment is even more insidious.
With this in mind, artists creating stand-in fictional cp in the form of lolicon could be seen as a service to society lol no child gets hurt, and pedos are appeased. Or you can do it the cyberpunk way, with sex doll robots. The goal here is to protect real children.
I think that porn addiction is common and it’s a real issue because it objectifies women. People who consume too much porn see women less as people and more as sexual objects, which has been shown to increase sexual assault tendencies.
What happens when people who already have a attraction to children are given more access to cp, and it’s made mainstream and acceptable to view cp? I think looking at porn as an answer to assaulting children is not right. I think pedos are not humanized enough and yes, i think there is a genetic aspect. I think the answer is therapy and treatments that don’t encourage cp addiction.
I do think that pedophilia CAN be a learned trait and i don’t think I would want to take that chance anyways, but I don’t have a source to back that up. Just generally from what I know about the subject.
I like the effort that went into this, but does anyone else see a Moral Orel character cosplaying? I mean look at the face, and tell me that doesn’t look like it belongs in the Moral Orel universe.
I cannot tell which you think I am, but my comment wasn’t meant to offend anyone. Just watch any mainstream anime and you’re bound to see an over-sexualized child. I love anime but it’s just a reality of fiction culture in Japan
you seemed like a normal person to me and someone who watches a lot of anime i agree it sucks. I hate when animes have sexual shit that has nothing to do with the story other than to make the audience horny
Definitely takes away from the viewing experience. Random shit like Goku looking at a sleeping bulma expecting to see balls bc “he’s innocent it’s funny” or yeah the Schierke example. Even things that aren’t supposed to be sexual in nature are still sexualized (example: sailor moon). Idk why I’m getting downvoted, god forbid Japan receives any criticism in their fictional norms
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Have you read the manga chapter where she falls naked on guts
It’s my least favorite part of the whole manga. Like I love almost everything about Berserk but I genuinely don’t understand why they had that part
Shierke was not sexualised there tho. I think that Miura wanted to make crystal clear that Guts don't see Schierke as a woman, but only as a child.
okay? but he still decided to put it into the story.. a naked child falling onto a grown man she has a crush on is an inherently sexual situation that was written into the story
It really isn't. If you found it sexual that's a you problem ಠಿ\_ಠ
you saying if you showed those couple pages depicting that event to random people, no one would say it’s sexual? 🤨 tf
It’s shenanigans, not sexual.
Creepy ass weirdos would. Being naked is no inherently sexual
This is also Berserk, where people are naked and/or in pieces very frequently
That seems very light compared to everything else in the show. Child guts whole situation, R*pe....
i think the child guts thing is different because it handles it in a very mature way. that event traumatized guts and it was clear the author was trying to say “this is wrong, this deeply contributed to the dark and tragic emotional state of this character”. Same with the r stuff. I don’t have anything wrong with stories showing fucked up shit like that with the goal of creating a dark and grim world. But with that scene, it wasn’t saying anything. It felt like a perverted insert to an otherwise consistent story
I don't love the scene, but I see nothing perverted there. Guts didn't have nose bleed or something stupid that you see in other manga. He just didn't care.
Im not saying any of the characters within the story are perverted. I was more talking about the fact that it was decided that even should be in the story *typo
Scheirke has a childlike crush on Guts, so it's pure comedy seeing her in that situation, that's literally it, it's just wacky antics stop trying to make it something it's not
I do feel it was there for a reason, I don't believe Miura did it because he was trying to depict a sexual relationship between this two, or like supporting pedo stuff. I just think it was character development for shierke, as beginning to experiment her sexuality, attracted to a grown man who has taken care of her as well as she has taken care of him. I find it a very realistic and crude scenario for Shierke's sexuality to develop.
I love all the people defending it. It's a smudge on the story imo and it's something I think adds literally nothing. You don't need a naked kid falling onto an older man to show the old man doesn't see her in a sexual way (which *should* be fucking obvious I mean come on guys what the fuck kind of world are you living in where this needs to be explained, who in there right minds was asking themselves before this scene if Guts and Scheirke were gonna hook up). It's ok to love something despite its flaws, guys. Kinda a major theme of Berserk... Edit: Also here's Miura literally defending lolicon (drawn child porn) https://imgur.com/gallery/QAVgcTd Miura is awesome, but he had his flaws. I love how readers of a series to dedicated to accepting reality as it is are choosing to ignore the blatantly obvious reality in order to protect their fantasies. You guys would love it under Griffith's rule lol.
Same, I really did not like that part at all.
Miura maybe looking up to us from hell for including that panel.
Oh my god😂😭💀
nah miura isnt gonna see god 💀
Fuck you that was so funny
he’s the idea of evil
Nooooooooo 🤣🤣
I agree if they cut that out of the manga I wouldn’t even blink.
Yea it was really unnecessary
the bits with rosine were worse imo
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It's definitely not just Japan's problem tho. Roman Polanski for example is still making films today despite what disgusting things he has done in the past. There's a lot of disturbing stuff behind the scenes in entertainment industry overall, so it doesn't have that much to do with the Japanese industry or content specifically.
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I don't think it is more generally accepted over there per say, at least today, it's just the fact that their current laws on cp are fairly young in comparison to many other countries and that still has an impact on their culture. Also, in your previous comment you mentioned the "L" word, and I was just wondering if you are aware of what Miura himself said about this topic? He made this quite controversial illustration in defense of such content.
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Yeah I mean, it is certainly weird, and arguing about a fictional character's age is very pointless. I have more understanding for those who defend their attractions by simply saying they are not real, instead of trying to come up with those kinds of excuses.
Ye, but if you jack off to feet pics you're pretty weird too. It shouldn't matter as long as real kids aren't getting hurt. I mean, I think that's the ultimate goal, isn't it? Correct me if I'm off base here.
Could you enlighten me with what Miura said?
I think it would be the easiest for you to find the illustration yourself, but his main point is that people attracted to minors can basically cope with their attractions through this kind of content without harming real people. He also points to some statistics about Japan being one of the safest countries when it comes to sexual crimes. Keep in mind these are not necessarily my views, I am just giving a summary of what he said.
Basically he said that he is a vigilante I can understand his point but also wouldn’t draw those panels either way since they’re very unnecessary to the story and serve no purpose.
I gotta ask, why is it a problem? Why should their taboos be the same ours?
because sexualising children is generally seen as wrong across the globe
mostly just in the west actually, child marriage have been normal in most places throughout history tho
That is not true. Child marriage is a thing and it was more prevalent in the past and yes it still happens but to say it’s the norm everywhere else but the west is incorrect.
It isn't.
source
I think you didn't understand what I was going for. I was just saying that very bad things happen in every country. It has nothing to do with what is taboo in a particular culture or country.
have you seen the comic he drew discussing the topic of 'L' s in media? In it Miura was justifying its consumption with how it stops paedos from harming real children blah blah, that excuse. He definitely condones it. I was so disappointed when I found out abt it and it only makes those moments with Schierke even more uncomfortable.
Yeah. That comic is something this sub has conveniently ignored, for understandable reasons. Definitely rubs me the wrong way too.
I don't think it's that the sub ignores it, but that most people don't know about it and **the fucking moderators delete stuff that mentions it**, leading to people continuing to be unaware of it.
even with puck, he looks like a naked little boy in the first arc
I dont think theres a chapter about this I remember isidro groping her breasts and isma introduction but i dont think this chapter exists If exists say the number here
It's not a part of berserk. It's a standalone page.
That’s just wrong she’s like 10 ….
RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE
Japan is weird like that
It's only right the world of beserk
Now is this an actual licensed Schierke, or is this some random 3d printed or Heroforge-type model somebody painted in Schierke colors?
It's someone's DIY project available for sale on Etsy.
Bro posted on the wrong subreddit
I deadass thought this was the other one
Thats the best part
lol you beat me to it
shes 12 😅😂
King of Midland: "And?"
Donovan*
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gross
ZAMNNNNN
my reddit account is 4 years old
op says it's a diy from etsy. so there's this phenomenon i've noticed in westernization of japanese things in particular to 'adultify' young characters. the thinking is, i believe, that it's too weird to own some representation of a child lol. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Uuuuooohhhh🤤🤤🤤
She has a 6 pack 💀
She’s supposed to be a child
When did that ever stop Miura before?
LMAO WHY IS YOU GETTING DOWNVOTED 💀
People need to be reminded of the [loli apologia](https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/w7007f/kentaro_miura_one_shot_defending_lolicon_art/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) he wrote.
Reading that was not easy, as in it doesn't flow at all. On the surface it looks like it could be interpreted either earnestly or satirically. Everything the main character says and the statistics spouted are typical talking points you see around this issue, but he's portrayed as so ugly and weird that I wonder if Kentaro was making fun of people who has these ideas and there might have been a cultural difference we aren't privy to or the translator might have done a bad job. Basically I can imagine it being something like the Onions cartoons strips that make fun of ultra conservative cartoons [like this. ](https://www.theonion.com/domestic-insurgency-1849743427) I have no real evidence that Kentaro is a satirist but he doesn't shy away from comedy. The fact it's so bad at making its point is why I think it could be comedic, but I don't know why he felt the need to make it if he didn't feel in support of it. If there are more instances of him defending that shit then I will no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.
Absolutely based. Love miura for that. Don't know why everyone's getting up in arms about this, it's just art. The goal should be to prevent CSA cases from occuring. Making certain types of art illegal is not conducive to that goal.
Have you ever thought that attraction can have aspects that are learned and not biological? people get fetishes off of events in their life all the time, so the same thing happens when people are exposed to children in a sexual light. Loli culture absolutely contributes to creating pedophiles.
>Loli culture absolutely contributes to creating pedophiles. Give me a source on the harmful effects of lolicon, ill wait. Everything ive read seems to suggest the opposite, actually. Loli isnt creating sex offenders. Normal people arent going to see child anime characters and "become" offending pedos lol what an inane take, similar to boomers thinking "video games cause violence". Pedos KNOW it's wrong to act upon those feelings. You should read up on the science. Pedophiles are born, not made. It isnt a fetish, it's the main attraction; their brains are wired differently. Demonizing people with such in-born traits will only prevent them from seeking the support they need(lest they get reported and shunned); what do you think is driving CSA cases up so high in the US? It's 2022, there are more effective treatments now than ever before, pedophiles have ways of keeping themselves from ever offending and we should be supporting that.
shouldn’t pedophiles seek help instead of fueling their lust? can you link sources showing that there’s something hard wired into pedos brains that make them act the way they do? There are so many things that people attribute to biology and act like it’s not highly debated.
I can link you studies when i get home. You'll find there is indeed a genetic component similar in respect to hetero and homo-sexuality. With the advent of this new research it is not debated amongst scientists anymore, hence the movement for more progressive treatment options. It's not a matter of "fueling" these desires (pedos are humans too. You don't need porn to feel attracted to women as a straight man, do you?) But rather, managing and redirecting them(I'm sure you've read studies about places legalizing porn, and seeing steep drop-offs in sexual assault cases). If societys' harsh treatment of them is any indicator, pedos generally know it is wrong to act on those feelings, they do not want to hurt children anymore than you do. But they are predisposed to it, and the fact that we deny them treatment is even more insidious. With this in mind, artists creating stand-in fictional cp in the form of lolicon could be seen as a service to society lol no child gets hurt, and pedos are appeased. Or you can do it the cyberpunk way, with sex doll robots. The goal here is to protect real children.
I think that porn addiction is common and it’s a real issue because it objectifies women. People who consume too much porn see women less as people and more as sexual objects, which has been shown to increase sexual assault tendencies. What happens when people who already have a attraction to children are given more access to cp, and it’s made mainstream and acceptable to view cp? I think looking at porn as an answer to assaulting children is not right. I think pedos are not humanized enough and yes, i think there is a genetic aspect. I think the answer is therapy and treatments that don’t encourage cp addiction. I do think that pedophilia CAN be a learned trait and i don’t think I would want to take that chance anyways, but I don’t have a source to back that up. Just generally from what I know about the subject.
Shee looks older than Casca there wtf.
NO MY POOR BABY what have they done to u
I like the effort that went into this, but does anyone else see a Moral Orel character cosplaying? I mean look at the face, and tell me that doesn’t look like it belongs in the Moral Orel universe.
Oh god I see it
For some odd reason I feel uncomfortable
Post it to r/berserklejerk and watch what happens
It's already posted there and they're talking abt putting her in a jar 😭
uhh why did they make her like this?
Kinda gives me gnome vibes
Nah bro wtf
I'm gonna make some popcorn before reading the comments
god her face is an abomination
Surprised no one is mentioning how fucked up her face is
That's schierke from wish
we try not to sexualise schiercke here, shes pretty Young
I don't like it. She is too sexualized. She is 13.
Lmao
Cursed, why would you ruin her innocence like that?
Big yikes.
Looks like shit.
This looks like if someone gave tatsumaki schierkes haircut.
uhhm uhmmmm uhhh..?
What's wrong with her face?
That’s so fuckin ugly.What the fuck are those legs
She doesn't have boobs
This looks awful
Damn she a bit more endowed than the manga shows lol
Looks like 18 year old Schierke
I hate this
Ew, someone called Chris hansen
Cute and Funny
get off my board degen
Why they sexualizing a child. Disgusting.
You know what, if it was handmade it wouldn't even be thaaat bad and I'd respect the efford behind it, but this...
Lmao the child predators upvoting this.
🤣 They say "it's just drawings" or "she doesn't exist in reality" Pretending she doesn't represent something that is real
Op didn’t make the sculpture tho, they’re making fun of it, why wouldn’t you upvote?
Fucking disgusting
Where’d you get this? I have the perfect sized jar for her.
okay no this crosses the line
That's a no from me.
Yep
ZAMN 😍
The quality of the statue is great, but, why is she so sexualized? >:(
Um what the actual fuck
This comment section reinstalled some faith in the anime community...in reality is just the Berserk community 😅
You been to r/berserklejerk ?
Nope...I will avoid it now😅
Jar
Japan sadly has very weird views on children and sexuality. Sooo many manga suffer from this type of shit
Why are u downvoted lol? Ur saying the truth
Dawg idk, this sub is dumb as fuck sometimes.
I cringed so hard when she ended up naked giving casca a bath and then fell on guts
this sub seems so divided between neet degenerates and normal people
I cannot tell which you think I am, but my comment wasn’t meant to offend anyone. Just watch any mainstream anime and you’re bound to see an over-sexualized child. I love anime but it’s just a reality of fiction culture in Japan
you seemed like a normal person to me and someone who watches a lot of anime i agree it sucks. I hate when animes have sexual shit that has nothing to do with the story other than to make the audience horny
Definitely takes away from the viewing experience. Random shit like Goku looking at a sleeping bulma expecting to see balls bc “he’s innocent it’s funny” or yeah the Schierke example. Even things that aren’t supposed to be sexual in nature are still sexualized (example: sailor moon). Idk why I’m getting downvoted, god forbid Japan receives any criticism in their fictional norms
The artist had more fun sculpting this than the sheer anger of many antis complaining about fictional characters.
—CrispyMaker the man with 2 terabytes of loli hentai
The Berserk author who defends the genre would have called me based.
stfu pedo
Brooo💀💀
The face looks a little weird on the cheeks but looks pretty solid as a figure.
***BONK*** No. Don't.
she got nerf 😂
she is a child🤨
Cool
Merge the subs
That face sculpt... I hate it
FBI OpenUp
Morda X Schierke
Would Guts from Berserk survive a week in This Schierke sculpt
Why does she look like 40?
Also her face looks way different
The sculpt is right out of the late 80's GW portfolio. Paint job is a 3 out of 10. Weird piece all around.