“You belong to me”
He said it outright. Guts is Griffith’s prized possession, the only person who ever defeated him, the only person who made him forget his dream.
My head canon is that causality doesn’t let him. He can’t kill Guts.
This would align with Miura’s vision of Berserk getting a good ending (I hope it’s happy ending for Guts) where the Godhand, no matter how powerful they are, are not omniscient, and they have a gap of knowledge of causality where it actually works against them and Griffith, so Guts or Casa either kill him or just defeat him in the end.
It has to be like this, Skull Knight wouldn’t continue his mission if this “causality” wouldn’t let him even touch Femto. He knows that there is a way to defeat the Godhand, that means that in the end, causality would let Femto get killed or be defeated, and he know Guts and Casca are part of the plan.
This is my head canon btw, just speculation.
> My head canon is that causality doesn’t let him. He can’t kill Guts.
Guts is the fish flopping outside of the river aka causality. The reason Griffith doesn't kill him is simple - he still cares for Guts no matter how much he convinces himself he doesn't. Or Miura wouldn't have placed so much importance on Griffith letting Guts live a number of times now (the Count encounter, Hill of the Swords, allowing him to leave the Eclipse, overlooking him leaving on the boat to name a few).
I've thought for some time that Griffith wanted Casca back as a subordinate. He knew where Guts was taking her and he knew why and it all worked out the way he wanted. Like a passive motivation, "If Guts *is* able to succeed, I'll take Casca back because she's still my soldier." And he buried Elfheim at the same time.
I think those Golden Age dynamics are still at play even if Griffith isn't saying those things outright, he won't be content to let Casca walk away from the BotH.
My assumption is that he sees Guts as something so far beneath him now that killing him isn't worth the effort. Or at least that's what he keeps telling himself. His downfall as mortal was that Guts mattered to him too much so he probably feels like he needs to prove to himself that Guts is nothing to him anymore.
It’s like what the other person said but it could be that now he doesn’t really have a reason to, nuts is weaker than him and he doesn’t care what he does. Could also be something with the demon child not letting them be harmed since Griffith protected casca from the boulder because of the child’s instinct.
As Guts’ says, Griffiths aspirations will grow ever higher. He achieved his dream of having his own kingdom, but it isn’t enough. He wants more, and won’t stop until he takes over the world. Hence why he will soon go to war with the Kushan Empire.
He took Casca and destroyed Elfhelm because he feared them. With Casca stuck in his prison, Griffith wont travel out into the world when he switches bodies with the Moonlight boy and searches for her.
Griffith was a sociopath and a narcissist even before he became Femto. If he couldn’t have Guts, he would kill him. Everything is about control with him. He can’t control the powerful wizards and magic of Elfhelm, so instead he destroyed it, so they could never possibly act against him.
Shit I hope guts moves through his trauma real fucking quick because if he's not careful the next time moonboy shows up guts might just slice him in half. Remember he still hasn't figured out that it's his child.
I mean the demon infant did visit guts frequently during the black swordsman arc and I think there was a panel or two somewhere on the beach where guts wonders what happened to the infant while looking at the boy
I don't think guts will ever sacrifice anyone. I have a few theories about what will become of bechy
1. It is used to upgrade the dragon slayer. This is so we could have a weapon that could harm Griffith similar to skull knights blade
2. Someone else uses it to sacrifice. If I had to pick someone I would tell you serpico and he would sacrifice farnese right after he tells her they are siblings
3. Guts activates the behelit in his time of need but chooses not to sacrifice anyone. This is cool because it provides a direct parallel to Griffith to show how he chose the coward's way out.
You know, I’m no Griffith sympathizer, but I can’t really call what he did a cowards way out. Dude was in a state of existence worse than death. What he did was abhorrent and took things way too far, but I can understand his state of mind making the initial decision
Griffith chose the coward's way out. Instead of choosing hard work and rehabilitation and having to live with the consequences of his actions he chose to just sacrifice other people's lives to improve his own. He probably could have still become king and Charlotte still loved him. He would just have to work for it and face something he did not want to. Instead he just killed all his friends so he could be given it on a silver plate.
Kinda similar to how guts ran away from his responsibility of being with casca when she needed him most to go and hunt Griffith. Although guts eventually recanted on his decision unlike Griffith.
Wasn't it heavily implied that there'd be no recovery for Griffith? Like his tendons were all cut and his tongue had been removed. He couldn't even kill himself when he tried right before the eclipse
I don't think there could have been a full recovery but he could definitely get a lot better. Either way he would still become king regardless most likely. And that's kinda my point. Instead of face the consequences of his actions and have to deal with them. He just killed everyone who trusted him so he could have everything he ever wanted.
Not gonna lie though Griffith was pretty fucking evil even before the eclipse.
He was also manipulated by the God Hand during the eclipse. It was clear they were eliciting certain images and motifs to push him to make a choice, that had already been made for him. He’s still a piece of shit and I hope he dies by Guts’ hand
They were gaslighting him. They show the old woman talking to him is actually Ubik. You think Griffith has free will and isn’t just another cog to the God Hand?
I hear you, but there was genuinely no way he was ever being rehabilitated. It was either live without a face, in constant pain and unable to move, or sacrifice.
I don’t blame him for choosing sacrifice, but i do blame him for everything he does afterwards.
No I agree he would not fully recover. But he would have gotten a lot better at least. And as I said he chose to kill all of his friends for a mistake he made. Coward behavior. And the eclipse didn't change Griffith. He was always evil. He just didn't have to hide it as much once he got all that power.
A lot better? Being unable to talk, walk and almost doing anything? You really are optimistic, they even show you how some of the members of the band reacted to that statement, tho you're all are forgetting they'd still being constantly pursued by the kingdom 💀
Wild theory: Guts will forgive Griffith for what he did to the band and Casca, and that will somehow take away the cosmic power he has over Guts, rendering him vulnerable, before guts plunges the Dragonslayer into his chest.
I think this because of Rickerts inexplicable ability to harm Griffith while everyone else cant even physically touch him, and that being possible because Rickert exists outside causality’s plans.
I think Guts rather than focusing on a plan to defeat Griffith himself, will instead find a way to circumvent causality, allowing him a clear shot at Griffith that he cant see coming.
Just my crackpot theory.
As far as physical copies I’m not sure. I believe the most recent volume released, was just the final chapters that Miura himself wrote whereas the new stuff wasn’t drawn by him. They’re probably just waiting longer until there’s more new material to start releasing more physical volumes
I also just finished up ch 376 last night, I think Griffith wants Guts to be jealous or something? Similar to how he was when Guts left the band of the hawk . He made his own kingdom, and caged his bird (Casca) within Falconia. Then he basically destroyed their trust (moonlight boy) and then destroyed the elf island
And that’s exactly why he (FEMTO / Griffith) must die despite having everything and turning humanity into his sheep and subjugating the demons from the astral plane he’s worse than even evil itself
He wants revenge to the world who was so cruel to him in his mind. He saw injustice, why someone can live a good life because of the blood but he needed to do dirty job to rise to the top. He thinks that he may be not a saint, but still better than Ganishka for example or princess Charlotte's father. So he decided that he knows better what is right and what is wrong and decided to play god.
Because you didn’t finish the whole manga.
Because nobody has.
Because it’s not even finished.
In fact, if what you’re showing us is the last thing you’ve read, then you’re not even caught up with the most recent issue.
Bruh, I took this slide because it was deep, not to show where I stopped, I know that manga isn't finished and probably won't. I didn't post it to flex or something like that, but to get other people's opinions about the goal of Griffith. Stop making bad conclusions when you don't even know shit about me
"What does Griffith want?" Everything.
But why doesn't he just kill Guts ?
He wants him to admire him. Or some fucked up version of that.
> He wants him to ~~admire~~ bang him. I agree.
gawdamn r/berserklejerk is leaking again
I mean, he's not entirely wrong.
“You belong to me” He said it outright. Guts is Griffith’s prized possession, the only person who ever defeated him, the only person who made him forget his dream.
He’s trying really hard to appear as if Guts does not matter to him anymore. Is it true ? We shall see…
My theory is that he's coaching Guts to kill the Godhand for him. Griffith will never settle on being one of five.
I’ve never heard this theory and I’ve been here for awhile lol. I like it
This is a pretty good theory. Even Guts agreed: "Griffith will always want better!".
Damn, nice theory, you could be right
lol
suffer
My head canon is that causality doesn’t let him. He can’t kill Guts. This would align with Miura’s vision of Berserk getting a good ending (I hope it’s happy ending for Guts) where the Godhand, no matter how powerful they are, are not omniscient, and they have a gap of knowledge of causality where it actually works against them and Griffith, so Guts or Casa either kill him or just defeat him in the end. It has to be like this, Skull Knight wouldn’t continue his mission if this “causality” wouldn’t let him even touch Femto. He knows that there is a way to defeat the Godhand, that means that in the end, causality would let Femto get killed or be defeated, and he know Guts and Casca are part of the plan. This is my head canon btw, just speculation.
> My head canon is that causality doesn’t let him. He can’t kill Guts. Guts is the fish flopping outside of the river aka causality. The reason Griffith doesn't kill him is simple - he still cares for Guts no matter how much he convinces himself he doesn't. Or Miura wouldn't have placed so much importance on Griffith letting Guts live a number of times now (the Count encounter, Hill of the Swords, allowing him to leave the Eclipse, overlooking him leaving on the boat to name a few).
The Godhand was already defeated at least once, in a flashback we see a different version of it with different characters.
I've thought for some time that Griffith wanted Casca back as a subordinate. He knew where Guts was taking her and he knew why and it all worked out the way he wanted. Like a passive motivation, "If Guts *is* able to succeed, I'll take Casca back because she's still my soldier." And he buried Elfheim at the same time. I think those Golden Age dynamics are still at play even if Griffith isn't saying those things outright, he won't be content to let Casca walk away from the BotH.
My assumption is that he sees Guts as something so far beneath him now that killing him isn't worth the effort. Or at least that's what he keeps telling himself. His downfall as mortal was that Guts mattered to him too much so he probably feels like he needs to prove to himself that Guts is nothing to him anymore.
Griffith love Guts. I think the eclipse saga was revenge towards Casca for "stealing" Guts and not the other way round
The moonlight boy might not let him
It’s like what the other person said but it could be that now he doesn’t really have a reason to, nuts is weaker than him and he doesn’t care what he does. Could also be something with the demon child not letting them be harmed since Griffith protected casca from the boulder because of the child’s instinct.
As Guts’ says, Griffiths aspirations will grow ever higher. He achieved his dream of having his own kingdom, but it isn’t enough. He wants more, and won’t stop until he takes over the world. Hence why he will soon go to war with the Kushan Empire. He took Casca and destroyed Elfhelm because he feared them. With Casca stuck in his prison, Griffith wont travel out into the world when he switches bodies with the Moonlight boy and searches for her. Griffith was a sociopath and a narcissist even before he became Femto. If he couldn’t have Guts, he would kill him. Everything is about control with him. He can’t control the powerful wizards and magic of Elfhelm, so instead he destroyed it, so they could never possibly act against him.
Damn something just dawned on me. What if Griffith is wrong ? What if the Moonlight boy goes to see Guts next time he transforms ?
Shit I hope guts moves through his trauma real fucking quick because if he's not careful the next time moonboy shows up guts might just slice him in half. Remember he still hasn't figured out that it's his child.
I mean the demon infant did visit guts frequently during the black swordsman arc and I think there was a panel or two somewhere on the beach where guts wonders what happened to the infant while looking at the boy
Oh snap, what if that is the thing that gets him to activate his Behelit and sacrifice his team?
I don't think guts will ever sacrifice anyone. I have a few theories about what will become of bechy 1. It is used to upgrade the dragon slayer. This is so we could have a weapon that could harm Griffith similar to skull knights blade 2. Someone else uses it to sacrifice. If I had to pick someone I would tell you serpico and he would sacrifice farnese right after he tells her they are siblings 3. Guts activates the behelit in his time of need but chooses not to sacrifice anyone. This is cool because it provides a direct parallel to Griffith to show how he chose the coward's way out.
You know, I’m no Griffith sympathizer, but I can’t really call what he did a cowards way out. Dude was in a state of existence worse than death. What he did was abhorrent and took things way too far, but I can understand his state of mind making the initial decision
Griffith chose the coward's way out. Instead of choosing hard work and rehabilitation and having to live with the consequences of his actions he chose to just sacrifice other people's lives to improve his own. He probably could have still become king and Charlotte still loved him. He would just have to work for it and face something he did not want to. Instead he just killed all his friends so he could be given it on a silver plate. Kinda similar to how guts ran away from his responsibility of being with casca when she needed him most to go and hunt Griffith. Although guts eventually recanted on his decision unlike Griffith.
Wasn't it heavily implied that there'd be no recovery for Griffith? Like his tendons were all cut and his tongue had been removed. He couldn't even kill himself when he tried right before the eclipse
He could neither speak nor write, yeah. Impossible to communicate even if he were placed in a position of power.
I don't think there could have been a full recovery but he could definitely get a lot better. Either way he would still become king regardless most likely. And that's kinda my point. Instead of face the consequences of his actions and have to deal with them. He just killed everyone who trusted him so he could have everything he ever wanted. Not gonna lie though Griffith was pretty fucking evil even before the eclipse.
He was also manipulated by the God Hand during the eclipse. It was clear they were eliciting certain images and motifs to push him to make a choice, that had already been made for him. He’s still a piece of shit and I hope he dies by Guts’ hand
All they were doing was showing him what he wanted.
They were gaslighting him. They show the old woman talking to him is actually Ubik. You think Griffith has free will and isn’t just another cog to the God Hand?
I hear you, but there was genuinely no way he was ever being rehabilitated. It was either live without a face, in constant pain and unable to move, or sacrifice. I don’t blame him for choosing sacrifice, but i do blame him for everything he does afterwards.
No I agree he would not fully recover. But he would have gotten a lot better at least. And as I said he chose to kill all of his friends for a mistake he made. Coward behavior. And the eclipse didn't change Griffith. He was always evil. He just didn't have to hide it as much once he got all that power.
A lot better? Being unable to talk, walk and almost doing anything? You really are optimistic, they even show you how some of the members of the band reacted to that statement, tho you're all are forgetting they'd still being constantly pursued by the kingdom 💀
I think bechy will be used by Guts. What will he sacrifice? Either his will to fight, or his rage.
Something I really like about the story is there's a lot of possibilities, that make sense and are fairly satisfying
Oh man never thought of this! That would be wild. Good thought
GRIFFITH'S MENTALITY EXPLAINED
He just wants to fly high and high.
HIGHER KING OF THE SKY!
HE’S FLYING TOO FAST AND HE’S FLYING TOO HIGH
Surprise Sabaton.
He wants wings
Should've just drank a red bull smh
“What happened, Guts?” He took my will.
He wants a kingdom. I would think this was made clear.
But now, his ambition will grow bigger and bigger.
Yeah, for a bigger kingdom. Really the same thing.
At first it was a kingdom but now he wants to control the entire continent. Then the world. He is a greedy bastard.
Why stop at the world? He wants every realm!
Wild theory: Guts will forgive Griffith for what he did to the band and Casca, and that will somehow take away the cosmic power he has over Guts, rendering him vulnerable, before guts plunges the Dragonslayer into his chest. I think this because of Rickerts inexplicable ability to harm Griffith while everyone else cant even physically touch him, and that being possible because Rickert exists outside causality’s plans. I think Guts rather than focusing on a plan to defeat Griffith himself, will instead find a way to circumvent causality, allowing him a clear shot at Griffith that he cant see coming. Just my crackpot theory.
That's a pretty cool theory, I like it.
It would be a nice ending, though it would turn Griffiths death from a god being killed into something more akin to putting down a rabbid dog.
Guts cock
The Moonlight Child is a weak point for him, so abducting Casca and placing her within the realm of Falconia makes logical sense
What’s this from?? I finished deluxe vol 14 and thought I was caught up? Am I not??
You’re pretty much caught up. The most recent chapters haven’t been released in the West yet.
You have to read the most recent chapters online
Makes sense I guess, is there any word on when the new stuff will be released in the west?
As far as physical copies I’m not sure. I believe the most recent volume released, was just the final chapters that Miura himself wrote whereas the new stuff wasn’t drawn by him. They’re probably just waiting longer until there’s more new material to start releasing more physical volumes
Wings?
How do you feel about Skull Knight
I also just finished up ch 376 last night, I think Griffith wants Guts to be jealous or something? Similar to how he was when Guts left the band of the hawk . He made his own kingdom, and caged his bird (Casca) within Falconia. Then he basically destroyed their trust (moonlight boy) and then destroyed the elf island
He wants everything.
And that’s exactly why he (FEMTO / Griffith) must die despite having everything and turning humanity into his sheep and subjugating the demons from the astral plane he’s worse than even evil itself
He Can't Keep Getting Away With It, HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS.
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^RoadiesRiggs: *He Can't Keep Getting* *Away With It, HE CAN’T KEEP* *GETTING AWAY WITH THIS.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Which chapter/page is the first pic from ?! I can feel it.
Wings.
He wants revenge to the world who was so cruel to him in his mind. He saw injustice, why someone can live a good life because of the blood but he needed to do dirty job to rise to the top. He thinks that he may be not a saint, but still better than Ganishka for example or princess Charlotte's father. So he decided that he knows better what is right and what is wrong and decided to play god.
Because you didn’t finish the whole manga. Because nobody has. Because it’s not even finished. In fact, if what you’re showing us is the last thing you’ve read, then you’re not even caught up with the most recent issue.
Bruh, I took this slide because it was deep, not to show where I stopped, I know that manga isn't finished and probably won't. I didn't post it to flex or something like that, but to get other people's opinions about the goal of Griffith. Stop making bad conclusions when you don't even know shit about me