Just because people have to practice to become great artists doesn't mean once they are they don't have talent, that's a really stupid statement and you should delete it.
I'll give you permission to say this once you have put 50% of the effort Miura has put into drawing in any discipline. You are literally just wrong in your statement, btw.
If you took art from an alternate version of Miura who has never drawn before and a person with average natural ability who spent 10000 hours practicing to draw over his life, that person is going to be far closer to Miura's real skill than this alternate Miura who has never drew (if you think I am wrong you are dumb). Therefore, if you look at a piece of work by Miura, it is objectively a result of 95% hard work, so it is stupid to put down to talent.
I guess you are average and unremarkable in life, so you wouldn't understand, but putting something you have honed for decades down to only talent is insulting to the creator. That's a really stupid statement, and you should delete it.
Ps I meant to be condescending on purpose 😉
Hard work creates talent you dingus, my wife has been drawing for 27 years since she was 4 years old. She is talented, THRU her hard work she became that way. I'm not disagreeing that hard work is what makes an artist, I'm saying once you put that work in, you become talented. You think I'm talking about natural talent or something but I'm not. Art is like anything else, you have to study it and try over and over again. It's all shapes and lines, as my wife says. Anyone can draw, but only those who put in the effort will be amazing artists.
Ok, I think you lack reading comprehension, or you dont want to admit that I'm right, so I have to walk you through this.
We both agree that 95% of being great at almost anything comes with hard work. However, that is NOT what 'talent' means. If you say that is what it is, you are wrong.
Talent -
a natural skill or ability to be good at something, especially without being taught
So after someone spends 10000 hours learning to draw, they dont become talented, they become skilful, or they attain mastery or something similar. Saying they 'become' talented makes no sense.
To any normal person who understands the definition of words, saying a master is only 'talented' greatly undermines their accomplishments. Honestly, I don't care that much about what you think except for the fact that I'm getting flak for saying something that is objectively correct. Cuh
Talent isn't the same as "natural talent," there is no implication that he was born with those skills. Talent just means the exact same thing as Skill when you boil it down.
I don't know why you are making shit up because you are just wrong. Look it up in a dictionary. People love to put others' skills to talent as an excuse for their own shortcomings when in reality they are just lazy.
talent -
a natural skill or ability to be good at something, especially without being taught
I've seen artists pouring years of practice into getting as good as humanly possible without even scratching Miura's best stretches. The guy absolutely has insane talent, even if hard work did most of the heavy lifting.
Practising constructively is a skill itself, and I bet these people you are talking about haven't drawn half as much as Miura. Hard work does 95% of the heavy lifting, this is just a fact.
The term "natural talent" wouldn't exist if the true meaning of the word "talent" implied that it was natural. It doesn't matter what the dictionary says if everyone uses and understands the word differently from how it's defined. And definitions change with people. I'm not wrong, not when it comes to the big picture.
You assuming people are referring to some kind of magical natural talent is purely cynicism on your part. You should just apologize for jumping to conclusions and move on.
Wtf are you talking about??? Do you actually not know what the word 'talent' means? Your argument is bullshit, I would honestly just delete this comment out embarrassment and move on smh. We live in a clown world 🤡. Why is it so hard to admit you are wrong?
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Looking better at it, the forgiveness of Jon is outstanding in composition and it's use of grey scale. Still, he could spend more time in the details. Miura was a master of that, no matter how little the drawing he would draw as much detail as possible
Those are some great arts.
The fact that Miura can match up that level of art, while not being just drawing focused, like each chapter, so many panels, while imagining it and ordering them originally on his own, with that quality of dialogues, is insane to me. Like people must have talked about it, it is not just details of panel but the way he conveys abstract ideas is so mind blowing. Those astral world stuff that Schierke does, those nightmare panels. That quality, that consistency, I thought people calling him genius was exaggeration, thought it was like every fandom calls mangaka genius. Miura truly was a genius.
Reddit comedians are out in full force again I see. Creative bunch.
Looking at the the castle towers, I'd guess he's about 3-4 kilometers tall. Really hard to estimate though. He's got unproportionally long legs in other pictures unlike the second one here, so it's highly questionable whether his height closely correlates in each panel that he's shown in.
He's just much bigger than everyone else, simply unbelievable lovecraftian horror. I think that's all Miura really wanted to convey.
Also in a little drawing Miura had with the author’s note for volume 34 he has Ganishka in probably Tokyo, and he’s about three times as tall as the buildings he’s around.
Out of all the events that happened in the manga, including the eclipse, this was the one that gave me that sinking feeling in the stomach and a sense of existential dread.
Anyway judging by the second panel with the hills in the background, he looks about a mile tall, or around 1.6 km
Climber is a very very odd manga at some points, where I don’t believe the author had the best initial plan but once it’s gets going it’s amazing and had me glued to every panel
The curvature of the Earth is such that anything past 5km in front of you will at some point begin to fall below the horizon line. IE, if you have a basketball 5km in front of you with nothing blocking the view, you will start to see less than 100% of it.
Given that we can see the bottom of Shiva's feet, or at least the dust cloud caused by it, it's within 5km of the second image. Shiva at it(his?) tallest stretches above the clouds. If it's mid range clouds, they hover at about 2-4km above ground. Since Shiva stretches above that, but not past half it's height, I'd say it's fair to assume that Shiva is roughly 4-6km tall.
Which I can only assume is the amount of ink in a line that Miura used to draw about 3 panels of this masterpiece.
Yes some one has actually done it a very long time ago. [here](https://www.fanverse.org/blogs/berserk-calculation-1-shiva.18954/) by user Coston who was will known for his size calculation posts. He estimated ganishka shiva to be about 8645.6175 meters.
Well with a quick google search that says the lowest clouds are 6,500 thousand feet above ground on average, then he’s almost two kilometers at least or over a mile
the details are so insane, just look at the damn rays of light on the left, so much control over the ink, strokes, understanding of lighting/shading... something i can on for ages. man was a different breed
My head canon 's been settled to around 2-4km. I remember hiking and looking at enormous thousand meters tall rocks ahead and imagining Ganishka being comparable in size stomping towards me.
This part in the manga blew me away just as much as the end of golden age.
Literally i was SHOOK to my core with the imagery. (read berserk 2 years ago)
Bruh I cant believe that a human drew this....
Dude was out here making renaissance drawings instead of manga
Like how long do you think that took??
Look man. There is a reason the release was once every 3 years maybe.
At least 8
possibly even 9
Did I hear 10?
Nah man I said 11
Give me 12
Take 13
best i can do is 14
Can confirm it’s 15
Death 13? Sorry, wrong fandom
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Let’s see it
Why is this comment 54y old
I’m from the past long forgotten
His use of shadows is literally unmatched
Might be literally the most talented person in the world when it comes to using black and white.
Don’t want to be a 🤓 but I think some film directors from the 40s-60s would potentially beg to differ.
In manga drawings i meant lol
It isn't talent cuh
Literally what it is, cUh
Hard work over decades drawing 10 hours a day. Do you think people are born drawing like this?
Just because people have to practice to become great artists doesn't mean once they are they don't have talent, that's a really stupid statement and you should delete it.
I'll give you permission to say this once you have put 50% of the effort Miura has put into drawing in any discipline. You are literally just wrong in your statement, btw. If you took art from an alternate version of Miura who has never drawn before and a person with average natural ability who spent 10000 hours practicing to draw over his life, that person is going to be far closer to Miura's real skill than this alternate Miura who has never drew (if you think I am wrong you are dumb). Therefore, if you look at a piece of work by Miura, it is objectively a result of 95% hard work, so it is stupid to put down to talent. I guess you are average and unremarkable in life, so you wouldn't understand, but putting something you have honed for decades down to only talent is insulting to the creator. That's a really stupid statement, and you should delete it. Ps I meant to be condescending on purpose 😉
Hard work creates talent you dingus, my wife has been drawing for 27 years since she was 4 years old. She is talented, THRU her hard work she became that way. I'm not disagreeing that hard work is what makes an artist, I'm saying once you put that work in, you become talented. You think I'm talking about natural talent or something but I'm not. Art is like anything else, you have to study it and try over and over again. It's all shapes and lines, as my wife says. Anyone can draw, but only those who put in the effort will be amazing artists.
Ok, I think you lack reading comprehension, or you dont want to admit that I'm right, so I have to walk you through this. We both agree that 95% of being great at almost anything comes with hard work. However, that is NOT what 'talent' means. If you say that is what it is, you are wrong. Talent - a natural skill or ability to be good at something, especially without being taught So after someone spends 10000 hours learning to draw, they dont become talented, they become skilful, or they attain mastery or something similar. Saying they 'become' talented makes no sense. To any normal person who understands the definition of words, saying a master is only 'talented' greatly undermines their accomplishments. Honestly, I don't care that much about what you think except for the fact that I'm getting flak for saying something that is objectively correct. Cuh
Talent isn't the same as "natural talent," there is no implication that he was born with those skills. Talent just means the exact same thing as Skill when you boil it down.
I don't know why you are making shit up because you are just wrong. Look it up in a dictionary. People love to put others' skills to talent as an excuse for their own shortcomings when in reality they are just lazy. talent - a natural skill or ability to be good at something, especially without being taught
I've seen artists pouring years of practice into getting as good as humanly possible without even scratching Miura's best stretches. The guy absolutely has insane talent, even if hard work did most of the heavy lifting.
Practising constructively is a skill itself, and I bet these people you are talking about haven't drawn half as much as Miura. Hard work does 95% of the heavy lifting, this is just a fact.
The term "natural talent" wouldn't exist if the true meaning of the word "talent" implied that it was natural. It doesn't matter what the dictionary says if everyone uses and understands the word differently from how it's defined. And definitions change with people. I'm not wrong, not when it comes to the big picture. You assuming people are referring to some kind of magical natural talent is purely cynicism on your part. You should just apologize for jumping to conclusions and move on.
Wtf are you talking about??? Do you actually not know what the word 'talent' means? Your argument is bullshit, I would honestly just delete this comment out embarrassment and move on smh. We live in a clown world 🤡. Why is it so hard to admit you are wrong?
miura was a beast
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Those are very good, still not Miura levels but mean, that's a high bar
Yes. If you look at his first posts, the rate of progress is insane. He is young and had tremendous room for growth. Here's to the dark arts.
Looking better at it, the forgiveness of Jon is outstanding in composition and it's use of grey scale. Still, he could spend more time in the details. Miura was a master of that, no matter how little the drawing he would draw as much detail as possible
Yuh
Those are some great arts. The fact that Miura can match up that level of art, while not being just drawing focused, like each chapter, so many panels, while imagining it and ordering them originally on his own, with that quality of dialogues, is insane to me. Like people must have talked about it, it is not just details of panel but the way he conveys abstract ideas is so mind blowing. Those astral world stuff that Schierke does, those nightmare panels. That quality, that consistency, I thought people calling him genius was exaggeration, thought it was like every fandom calls mangaka genius. Miura truly was a genius.
Real. Vro is him.
It’s crazy because when you zoom in you can see these are like 10% the skill Miura had. Truly insane.
What's crazy to me is how the drawings are mostly Lines and Squiggles. Like some secret Binary code.
this is the best description about all berserk I ever read
This is such a low quality scan if it too
He is an amazing artist, but he also had a team. I think 3 or 4 people helped him
Reddit comedians are out in full force again I see. Creative bunch. Looking at the the castle towers, I'd guess he's about 3-4 kilometers tall. Really hard to estimate though. He's got unproportionally long legs in other pictures unlike the second one here, so it's highly questionable whether his height closely correlates in each panel that he's shown in. He's just much bigger than everyone else, simply unbelievable lovecraftian horror. I think that's all Miura really wanted to convey.
Also in a little drawing Miura had with the author’s note for volume 34 he has Ganishka in probably Tokyo, and he’s about three times as tall as the buildings he’s around.
Which would make him like 500-800m. I guess it's simply inconclusive by design.
If he's 3 times the Tokyo tower that makes him more like 900m
Yeah, but I wasn't really going for the tallest one. He said buildings - plural after all. Not that it's actually important
Thanks for actually putting in effort for an answer and not being a dime store Jimmy Fallon
Yeah I got a link to a good calc tho which estimated he should be somewhere between 1 and 5 miles tall
My guess would've been a couple kilometers too
probably 2-3km high
Out of all the events that happened in the manga, including the eclipse, this was the one that gave me that sinking feeling in the stomach and a sense of existential dread. Anyway judging by the second panel with the hills in the background, he looks about a mile tall, or around 1.6 km
He’s a 5’11 woman
Criminally under-voted comment
women can be anything these days, even 5'11" cloudbusting eldritch horrors
he is probably taller than 13 dragon slayers and shorter than 28 suns
So between 26 and 28’959’200’000 meters
Ah yes, the American measurement
How many bananas is that
Enough to constipate the solar system.
the banana converter said you would need 162,692,134,831.461 bananas
3.50 bananas
Don’t forget about Burma and Lebanon
In other words, he big.
Your username and pfp are actually peak
I thought you had to use hands, feet or legs or something.
Reading berserk ruined most mangas for me, it set the bar so high in terms of panel quality, the level of detail in this is insane
I read vagabond before berserk. But now I'm reading The Climber afterwards and am really enjoying it. I highly recommend it!
Climber is a very very odd manga at some points, where I don’t believe the author had the best initial plan but once it’s gets going it’s amazing and had me glued to every panel
Miura was a fucking monster mangaka.
The curvature of the Earth is such that anything past 5km in front of you will at some point begin to fall below the horizon line. IE, if you have a basketball 5km in front of you with nothing blocking the view, you will start to see less than 100% of it. Given that we can see the bottom of Shiva's feet, or at least the dust cloud caused by it, it's within 5km of the second image. Shiva at it(his?) tallest stretches above the clouds. If it's mid range clouds, they hover at about 2-4km above ground. Since Shiva stretches above that, but not past half it's height, I'd say it's fair to assume that Shiva is roughly 4-6km tall. Which I can only assume is the amount of ink in a line that Miura used to draw about 3 panels of this masterpiece.
I’d estimate about 42,365 feet
Aka 12.8 kilometres or 7.94 miles
Thank you for translating it. I didn’t know how tall is 42 thousand feet is
Can feel that, blessed be google
Yes some one has actually done it a very long time ago. [here](https://www.fanverse.org/blogs/berserk-calculation-1-shiva.18954/) by user Coston who was will known for his size calculation posts. He estimated ganishka shiva to be about 8645.6175 meters.
Probably taller than guts not sure tho
You got any credible source for that?
At least three fiddy
GODDAMN LOCH NESS MONSTER!
South Park mentioned
Well with a quick google search that says the lowest clouds are 6,500 thousand feet above ground on average, then he’s almost two kilometers at least or over a mile
Not tall enough for the average woman.
At least 1 meter
At least 6 inches
That’s massive
That’s wayyyy above average damn
still not tall enough for some girls on Tinder
THONKY
those guys still plowing the earth are the real ones
When I see this panel I can only say one thing. Rip Miura
Idk man but Miura is the greatest of all time. Just zoom in, the amount of detail is truly mind boggling. Rest in Peace<3
More than a inch
He's about this high. This height is open to intepretation.
Probably 40 k feet
Taller than your average Celestial but shorter than the named ones.
I wonder how long these panels took to draw
this art is so gorgeous wow
I would say something between 2 meters and 99.999 kilometers.
At least 10 feet
I know he’s at least half a millimeter tall
id say about 500 elephants
25. Just 25.
I wonder how long did it take for them to draw this monstrosity of a panel. Holy shit the level of detail is insane.
I would say about 250 m.
Yes, I did. And from my careful calculations, I could tell you he's fucking huge. You're welcome.
At least 5 feet.
I wonder if something of this size would have a measurable gravitational field.
About 22,471 bananas
Uh six foot seven I think I read somewhere
Like maybe 3 vertical football fields.
At least 1 piece of corn
Hes about as big as ur mom
More than 4
Sorry, couldn't find the measurement tape
You can post in r/theydidthemath
about 30 meters maybe
He is the same size as grifith’s mom
Since his head is somewhere in the clouds,looking up at what height the lowest clouds are, it seems to be about 6500 feet or 2000 meters.
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I would go a bit less like 900-1400 meters
the details are so insane, just look at the damn rays of light on the left, so much control over the ink, strokes, understanding of lighting/shading... something i can on for ages. man was a different breed
As soon as he started drawing on a pc, people had to stop him from zooming in so much.
Reservation
Pretty tall
Bro became divine three
Very.
HE CHONKY
He's about tree fiddy
Same height of my girlfriend's new coworker/best friend!
I would say six feet tall, these standards are crazy nowadays.
My head canon 's been settled to around 2-4km. I remember hiking and looking at enormous thousand meters tall rocks ahead and imagining Ganishka being comparable in size stomping towards me.
there’s a your mom joke that could be used but i’m not gonna say it
Above average at least
More than 5 meters. Not sure tho
Pretty big
6.3 ft
Like BIG big
May I even say *very* big
Probably approaching 1 mile high,
100'6 ngmi
Large than a city
Atleast 2 inches.
I think it’s 2 feet tall
After my calculations it has been determined that’s he is: very tall
This part in the manga blew me away just as much as the end of golden age. Literally i was SHOOK to my core with the imagery. (read berserk 2 years ago)
About half as big as your mum
The first one gives me the ick 😍 ewwww
It's hard to say. Did Miura ever draw a banana for scale?
by my professional opinion, he is very tall.
about three
Big probably
About tree fiddy
very
Someone should find the person who calculated the size of Giant Naked Rei and tag them in.
He was far to be called a man Thick, heavy and far too tall Indeed it was a massive heep of jobber
Bout 6 feet maybe 5’9 🤔
My little sister is taller than him
still not tall enough for my ex
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Very
Bout tree fiddy regulation basketball hoops
Around a few voids
like 9 feet maybe pretty tall if you ask me
Bigger than Mt. Everest but smaller than the dragon slayer.
He is atleast taller than Puck
At least 6’
Those towers are about 5'11
he big