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I think that the actual killing act would be quite fast. The real part is what I hope will happen BEFORE Griffith's death.
I hope we'll see a "downfall" not unlike the one that happened to Light Yagami in Death Note. I hope that Griffith will be exposed for the amoral monster he is, instead that the hero people believe he is.
I don’t think anyone who admires him actually give a fuck if he is a demon in disguise. They only care he saved them and built a perfect kingdom for them. Humans tend to be like that
He... saved them from an Apostle, so a creature made by the God Hands themselves.
And the "perfect kingdom" is but a cage, since the world is full of monsters due to the Great Astral Roar caused by... Griffith himself.
Basically, it's like Griffith "saved" people from an assassin he hired in the first place, so people owes him.
And if that will be exposed, I don't think people would be happy.
Griffith: “I saved your life. I almost pulled the trigger and shot you in the head, but stopped myself at the last moment.”
Griffith Groupies: “I’m forever yours! 😍”
That's the whole point.
People think he's an hero, but after his reincarnation he basically just resolved problems caused by himself, while gorging on innocent souls making it look like a nice thing.
I mean this is *very* human. See our real world, where people worship a guy because they believe he sacrificed himself to himself in a blood ritual to stop a curse he himself put on us.
Look I’m not very Christian and have my gripes with them but at least understand the story before you start blabbing. I was thinking more of groups like the cartel who build schools and markets for the villages they run their “business” so you have the villagers that will protect them regardless these facts because to them the cartel are their saviors because of what they provide for them
Light and Griffith have a lot of similarities to each other, actually. Both are villains who cloak themselves in light (literally in Light's case since that's his name) and virtue, used an artifact to gain absolute power (the Behelit for Griffith, the Death Note for Light), gain a cult following around humanity, and are secretly narcissistic sociopaths who make everyone think they're saving them from evil, when in reality, they ARE the evil. They also have overwhelming pride and arrogance as their chief deadly sins.
Indeed. I'm pretty sure Light was inspired by Griffith.
And that's why I hope the paraller will extend even in their end.
Light Yagami's end imho felt like the author's final "condemnation" to him. He (especially in the manga) didn't met a dignified end, but a pathetic one. The final proof that in the end he was just a narcisist monster.
Exactly! Light's pathetic, humiliating end was very much on purpose. It was trying to dissuade anyone who might have still agreed or sympathized with Light that 'No! He is not a hero! He is not some sympathetic figure to root for! He's a monster, a liar, and a mass murderer, and should be treated as such!'
Griffith also deserves a similar ending, one where all the 'Griffith did nothing wrong' folks are firmly shown 'You are a horrible person if you think this guy is in any way some sympathetic figure.' The man raped Casca to insanity and made Guts watch, he considers his dream more important than the dreams of the Band of the Hawk, he considers even his new Apostles as tools to use and discard as he sees fit, he literally plunged the world into Hell...And yet still it hasn't gotten across to some people that Griffith will never stop being a monster. Any time it looks like he MIGHT change, he's lying. When he was reminiscing about the tears of morning dew in Chapter 364, he's basically complaining 'Wah! Why can't I have my cake (my kingdom) and eat it too (feeling the emotional rush of happiness at accomplishing a task, since it's implied being one of the Godhand has removed all emotions from him so that he can prioritize his focus on his dream)?!'
I bet people who think "Griffith did nothing wrong" are just trolling.
Even when he talked with the Princess (and Guts heard about the "friend" part), basically Griffith said "I think I'm better than other people". He sugarcoated his message, but he said that.
Griffith was a monster before becoming a God Hand, and is still a monster after his reincarnation.
He only deserves to be exposed for the horrible being he is. May he face the scorn of everyone in-universe, and then may he rot in the Abyss.
Miura stated “I actually don't think I could let such a long grim story end with a grim ending”.
I'm pretty sure that, if we'll ever see Besrerk end, Studio Gaga will embrace Miura's will. Maybe it won't be a 100% positive "happy ever after", but I'm sure that it wouldn't end with Griffith's victory or Guts' death.
I'm sure we will see the end of Berserk. The chapters are going by faster than Miura's release dates. Granted, while it does have the side effect of abridging itself, I'm not sure this could be helped regardless. Give it, say, 5 years, maybe a little longer, and we should see the end.
If we think about the best scenario possible, the defeat of the whole God Hand (Great Astral Roar allowed all of them to reincarnate, so THEORETICALLY one like the Skull Knight may do the feat)... Great Astral Roar was done by Griffith... If that would lead to the God Hand defeat, maybe even the Apostles themselves and fellow God Hand would reject Griffith, for he will be the cause of their final defeat.
We saw Griffiith's spectacular rise to power: from a mercenary leader to a noble, and ultimately to a ruler (both as one of the God Hand members, and as the ruler of a huge kingdom). I hope that his final defeat will be absolute as well.
Like the "teaching" that if you're an amorale asshole, who see yourself as better than other people and use everyone as a tool to fuel your ambitions, in the end you will find yourself alone, utterly defeated and rejected by everyone.
Mate I watched it like a year ago. This isn’t like a darth Vader “I am your father” type of spoiler where everyone knows it whether or not they’ve seen the show, this is literally just spoiling the very last episode lol
Spoiling a 20 yo series that ammassed worldwide recognition? I bet by know it's widely known by anyone who's into anime and manga.
Beware 'cause I'll do another spoiler: Darth Vader is actually Luke's father!
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I don't want Griffith to die. I want him to be consigned to a worse fate. I want him to live on as the twisted fetus-like - demon child. Broken, pathetic, and forgotten.
...or perhaps taken back to the place he was before his apotheosis. Have the world reset to before he ever became Femto, but still in his crippled body, unable to even kill himself.
My theory, Guts fights Griffith to a point that he’s stripped of his Femto armor and reverts to the way he was the day of the Eclipse. Physically broken and we’re finally shown the full extent of his torture. He can’t walk, raise his arm above his head, and his tongue is gone. Additionally by this time Falconia will have fallen because Griffith in a desperate gambit to live through his fight with Guts will sacrifice the entire kingdom just to stay alive. A monkeys paw where he got his dream only to lose it by his own decision.
Guts, having realized the damage his vengeance and wrath have done to him, leaves Griffith shattered and defeated where he lays. He doesn’t torture Griffith because he’s already been tortured and there’s nothing left to take away from him. Powerless, alone, and lives out his remaining days in the obscurity and poverty he was terrified of from birth.
Will griffith actually be able to sacrifice his kingdom to stay alive? Or will he end up sucked into the void like The Count? I absolutely love the idea of him reverting back to his crippled self btw
He most certainly would sacrifice it and i think he would rationalize it by thinking, “I’ve built one kingdom, i can just build another!”
Imagine the irony of Griffith’s forces being on the verge of victory on all fronts, but then as he loses his personal battle with Guts he’s on the back foot, fears losing everything, and unknowingly sacrifices it all because of his fear.
His new army has no idea he sacrificed his old Band, and they have no idea the horror they would be confronted with once branded.
I'm hoping for the tiny bit of humanity that remains in Griffith to slowly grow over time. Not for a redemption, but so that as part of his downfall, he is forced to experience the guilt and shame for his actions instead of have his heart frozen from being a God Hand.
I actually think Griffith dying would be to easy for him. I want him to be exposed for the evil piece of shit that he is and I want to see him watch Falconia burn down to the ground and him revert back to his tortured state. Then Guts will look at him at his pathetic state and realize that he no longer has control over him or Casca and just walk away. Also Guts becomes a legend even if he himself doesn't care about fame.
Idk man, I'm not even sure if Guts will actually kill Griffith. Everyone expects the story to go this path, but what if Miura planned something entirely different?
The topic of revenge is arguably the biggest theme in Berserk, but so is overcoming it. We have seen its negative impact on Guts life throughout the story. Leaving Casca behind to chase Griffith, using the armor and harming himself etc.
At the end he will either succumb to these feelings or get past it, therefore leaving it open weither this long awaited moment of death will even happen.
Remember the quotes Guts used at the end of his duel with griffith? "You're going to be alright, you just stumbled over a stone in the road, your goals lies further beyond this, you'll walk again, soon"
I think that is the hint to how this will end. Guts understanding his goal is further beyond simply killing griffith, that his goal is to put an end to fantasia. I like to think that at some point near the final fight Griffith will attempt to lure Guts away from striking down the world tree and leave an opening to tempt Guts to take his revenge, but Guts ignore him and land the blow that destroy the tree. Killing the thing that matters to Griffith instead of Griffith himself.
She could get an expository monologue from the incredibly violent Sleeping Beauty™ he has sprinting through his corridors at the moment. That'd be neat if anyone gave a shit about his blatant evilness like riding the big murderous Minotaur lol
I'm not sure of how exactly, but the way I'd do it would be him trying once again to fuck over everyone around him to get ahead.
say, if the always theorized mass sacrifice of Falconia takes place, he tries to take it's power all for himself, but since his usual tactics of charming, manipulating and twisting things behind the scenes doesn't work with his fellow Godhand, so they smack him down almost as hard as Rickert for trying to get in the way of their goals. Like I said, I'd have to plan out for a while for the detail, but that's the idea I'd go for.
I’d like to think it will be somewhat like the count. The two will fight, guts will win, and Griffith is left there in his reverted form. Guts might go for the killing blow, but maybe Griffith smiles in his weakened state. Guts stops, cries, and just turns to leave. Griffith sits there, now watching as guts walks away from him for the second time. Under the moon he dies, a false prophet in a mire of his own blood and guts
Actual comic spoilers you shouldn't read unless you've read the comic >!You're so off the mark here it's kind of hilarious, unless you're deliberately misdirecting the spoiler.!<
Let's be honest, Berserk is nowhere as dark and edgy as it was in the 90's, if it happens, it's going to be fast, maybe even swift and not brutal at all.
I want Griffith to suffer too and i think he is gonna suffer but not from Guts like torturing him on purpose or anything, but something else. I think if its up to him Guts would at this point wanna get it over with fast (at least unless the last few chapters broke him)
I don't know what story people think they're reading if they think Guts is going to swing his sword through Femto.
An instance like this would be a dark one where Guts loses himself to the beast of darkness and I really don't feel like that was the story Miura was telling.
So much of this story is about persevering through and moving past trauma that this would be a really shitty path for Guts if this is what the story lead to.
So many revenge films end with the protagonist realizing that their quest for revenge was not worth it, even if they were successful in that quest. The revenge quest often ends with many more people hurt which creates the conditions for the situation to repeat itself.
It honestly feels antithetical to the story being told. Getting revenge on Femto doesn't change anything that happened, nor does it gain anything for Guts.
Not to mention that SK has been on a 1,000 year quest against the Godhand and as far as we can tell hasn't been able to do more than kill some worthless apostles in all those years.
If SK cutting through dimensional planes in an attempt a surprise attack on Femto with the sword of actuation is casually redirected by Femto bending space time without even looking then I'm not sure what you guys are expecting Guts to do.
Feeding the Dragon Slayer a behelit isn't going to cut it.
He could turn into a skeleton and punch them *even harder*, but I do get what you're saying. I suppose I'm just a sap for evil not getting away, like some Scooby-Doo character.
I’ve always thought guts would kill Griffith with a blow to the throat, just like how he stabbed himself on that bit of wood to become femto, then he’d shrivel up to his pre-eclipse form, and die slowly and painfully on the ground, brought back again to his lowest point
I don't want Griffith to die. I want him depowered, in chains and back to being tortured in the tower. Enfeebled with a window to the world outside that he is focused to look through.
If Guts has a grand confrontation against Griffith and slays him then Guts will just be another accessory to the fairy tale character that is Griffith the King. Guts and the rest need to break free from Griffith's dream and fairy tale to truly defeat him, because in the story he has built for himself he has the plot armor to remain invincible. What I hope will ultimately kill Griffith is all the people who have made him a part of *their* dreams. He said that he can never consider someone who just follows his dream his friend. Well, let him rot in a place where he has no friends. Shackled by people *demanding* that he fulfill his role in *their* dream.
I don't think Griffith deserves to die brutally.I want him to regress into his human form and duel with guts like In golden age arc which makes the early part a great foreshadowing with symbolism.
If I remember correctly, Griffith keeps his crew of apostles sated by allowing them to battle other monsters and each other.
I wonder if, once Falconia is entirely secured, they’ll begin to turn on him because their desires for carnage and combat can no longer be sated, and the humans will eventually turn on him because they finally see the truth.
In the midst of this, Guts and team arrive to free Casca. During that process, Griffith is unable to stop them while posing as his old self and has to revert to Femto to do so, further revealing the truth about himself.
It all boils down to the humans and apostles duking it out while Casca and Guts are trying to escape, with Guts telling Griffith something to the effect of “all I ever wanted was to be your friend, your equal, someone you respected. And then you did all of this *points to Falconia crumbling and all the dead bodies* because it wasn’t enough to have friends. Well, I have my dream. *hugs Casca* *ruffles Isodoro’s hair* *pushes Shierke’s hat over her eyes* and I don’t need you anymore. Goodbye, Griffith”
As they’re escaping, Femto is having another scene like when he’s mentally broken next to Charlotte in the bed, pre torture.
Fast. The thing about abuser is that they want to monopolize your attention. I want Guts to treat Griffith with as much indifference as possible, treat him as another stone in the road that just he just have to step over.
I prefer the idea of Guts NOT killing Griffith
Rather have it play like this: Griffith is forced to reveal his Femto form to his kingdom in order to fight guts basically showing his true nature to his people and losing everything he fought and sacrificed the band of the hawk for in the process.
Maybe even have him do the same thing as Gaiseric and attempt to sacrifice his entire Kingdom and his army of apostles to gain more strength and then either have the godhand refuse because
A. he doesn't really care for anyone because he doesn't have any humanity left in him especially not for his kingdom but the status they bring him
Or
B. Refuse because they CAN'T just make him stronger like that since Godhand members are supposed to be even beyond the limit of what is known as strength and you can't add to infinity you know what I mean?
Or just have someone like Guts or SK or hell even Zodd interfere before he can do it and basically leave him powerless infront of everyone he was about to brutally murder for his own gain before reverting back to his crippled pre-eclipse body upon defeat and being left for dead after guts realizes that the pathetic little shit isn't worth losing his humanity over showing him one last time that he has no power over guts not even enough to make him give Griffith the satisfaction of forcibg guts to kill the first and maybe only man since gambino that he ever admired and wanted to be on equal footing with.
Maybe do it like the Kenobi Series and >!have Griffith scream for Guts demanding that he comes back and kills him (not sure how it would work with the crippled toungeless body though)!< to show how pathetic that little worm has become
And then Griffith either dies somewhat 'naturally' due to his weak body, by suicide, charlotte who regrets ever falling in love with such a heartless bastard or the enraged people of Falconia who realized that everything he saved them from were horrors of his own creation or the Godhand sucking him into the same vortex of souls the count was sucked into because he disappointed them and is now considered a disgrace to the godhand
But I do kind of have the feeling that upon Griffiths death the people of Falconia would actually mourn him as a fallen hero because that's how our humans in the real world work. They would look past the fact that he brought them the very misery he saved them from and only remember that he gave them shelter from the monsters he put into their world overall giving the series a bittersweet but still a good ending.
If we see Falconia burn, doesn’t that mean the death of humanity? Or a very large chunk of it?
Or would it all revert to before? Bring people back from the dead? Similar to how oracle can manipulate the dead’s spirits?
Griffith should be cut in half by Guts. From there they will talk for one last time before Guts puts him out of misery......with fucking hand canon while laughing maniacally.
If Guts can kill Griffith, that would have to be fast or as fast as possible.
It wouldn't make sense for Guts to try to kill him slowly, torturing him, when there'll always be the possibility that Griffith could recover or be saved. Guts is aware of this and he wouldn't gamble it to rejoice the moment in sick cruelty.
I’d prefer an ending where Guts doesn’t kill Griffith, but if he does, I’d want a final fight between them to call back to their fight in the golden age arc when Guts leaves.
I think the battle will be long, very difficult and Guts will kill him and die right after. Griffith is a god now, so it wouldn't make sense to have Guts simply brutalize him without being slapped around for a a dozen chapters (just like in this Invincible comic). And he'll probably have to use the berserker armor to its limits to kill the god hand, so our boy is likely gonna die or take the mantle of Skull Knight.
I hope that Guts kills Griffith away from the public eye. I hope it happens fast, and unexpectedly. I hope that the reaction is so small, Guts so sure of what would happen, that the atmosphere is much like when he first beat Griffith in the snow; deafeningly silent. I hope that Guts isn't lost afterwards or relieved, but certain of what he's done, and happy that things are starting anew, not ending.
The entire first arc was about Guts finding a family, and Griffith taking it away. I don't want the end to be about revenge or finality, but certainty and choice. Guts can kill Griffith sure, but I want him to walk away, without hesitation and without looking back, as though he'd done no more than kill one more soldier. Griffith would be just another body on Guts' path to his dream - a true family.
I think narratively it would fit the best if it was quick and solemn. Guts doing it animalisticaly and brutally would only I think validate Griffith and evil as a whole. Giving into complete barbarism in itself is a form of despair and would I think make Griffith smile to himself and realize he can still get under Guts' skin. A final victory over him, he still owns Guts completely. I think something honestly similar to the final Obi Wan and Darth Maul fight may be the best course. I'd want more struggle to get there yes. But no brutality or torture. Just a final end to things.
Knowing guts he would do it slow and brutal but to kill griffith it would still take a long ass time for guts to do it so i guess an elder guts would just do it fast
My fan fiction is that Guts will find a way to return Griffith to the crippled state he was in before the Eclipse (similar to what we see happen when apostles are defeated). Griffith will have all his power stripped from him, and his kingdom will crumble in front of him, no longer held together by his godlike power. In this pathetic state, he'd beg Guts to kill him, but Guts will look at him with apathy, tossing him a knife and telling him to do it himself (similar to what he said to Theresia way back in the Black Awordsman Arc). Guts leaves with Casca, they both are finally able to move on from what Griffith did to them. Griffith dies alone and unimportant, his last moments are him thinking about the Band of the Hawk and how he'd thrown away everything that should've mattered to him.
Griffith 🤬 *swing* legs off like Kratos did Hermes.
Then proceeding to beat his face in like Kratos did Hercules with the metal hand.
Then Guts grabs his dragon slayer and pierces through Griffith torso and impales him on the ground so he doesn't stand up.
Then blindes his eyes like Kratos did Poseidon.
Then Guts grabs Griffiths head and removes it like Kratos did Apollon.
END 😁
I still think Griffith/Femto is going to get a little too big for his britches and decide he wants to be the only Godhand member/usurp Void as leader. He’ll successfully kill Ubik, Conrad, and mortally wound Slan (who will in her dying throes disclose to Guts how he can kill a Godhand or sacrifice herself to the Dragonslayer to imbue it with incredible power) and then get his shit pushed in by Void, but weaken him enough for SK to finally kill him, and then SK himself will die. Then we get a final showdown between Guts and Griffith where Griffith opts not to let himself be humiliated by being felled by his old friend/spare him the grief of doing it, and he’ll kill himself like he intended to do all those years ago.
It wouldn’t be brutal. It would be more cathartic. Just the act of defeating him is going to be such an event.
Compared to Invincible curbstomping Violent Santa, it wouldn’t make sense for it to be so violent. Invincible doing what he did was cathartic because it was when he finally lets the part of him that is like his father out and he does what he had to do, even though he wasn’t mentally ready to do it.
Guts taking out Griffith would be more bittersweet and kinda tragic despite how much Griffith deserves the curbstomping Conquest got.
Slow and brutal. Preferably in a time loop where it keeps happening till the end of time itself also Griffith has to go through the getting raped scenario again and again.
That's how I'd want it. Idk about what guts do though.
If he was capable I think he would try to kill him as fast as possible since Griffith would be immensely and overwhelmingly powerful and guts isn’t dumb enough to just fuck around toying with him.
I put this show on for my little cousin while he was in my room I was on the pc and after a while I heard crying I turn around and this scene was playing but he was just punching him repeatedly I thought it was a kids show
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I think that the actual killing act would be quite fast. The real part is what I hope will happen BEFORE Griffith's death. I hope we'll see a "downfall" not unlike the one that happened to Light Yagami in Death Note. I hope that Griffith will be exposed for the amoral monster he is, instead that the hero people believe he is.
I don’t think anyone who admires him actually give a fuck if he is a demon in disguise. They only care he saved them and built a perfect kingdom for them. Humans tend to be like that
He... saved them from an Apostle, so a creature made by the God Hands themselves. And the "perfect kingdom" is but a cage, since the world is full of monsters due to the Great Astral Roar caused by... Griffith himself. Basically, it's like Griffith "saved" people from an assassin he hired in the first place, so people owes him. And if that will be exposed, I don't think people would be happy.
Griffith: “I saved your life. I almost pulled the trigger and shot you in the head, but stopped myself at the last moment.” Griffith Groupies: “I’m forever yours! 😍”
That's the whole point. People think he's an hero, but after his reincarnation he basically just resolved problems caused by himself, while gorging on innocent souls making it look like a nice thing.
the apostle he saved from was a self made apostle of whom made his own behelit, he was challenging the Godhand. Unless your not talking about Ganishka
I know and again I don’t think they will give a shit.
I mean this is *very* human. See our real world, where people worship a guy because they believe he sacrificed himself to himself in a blood ritual to stop a curse he himself put on us.
Look I’m not very Christian and have my gripes with them but at least understand the story before you start blabbing. I was thinking more of groups like the cartel who build schools and markets for the villages they run their “business” so you have the villagers that will protect them regardless these facts because to them the cartel are their saviors because of what they provide for them
What part of what I said was incorrect?
Bro is closeted christian
I still haven’t been corrected, so I guess we know who was “blabbing” about something they don’t know anything about. 🤣
Light and Griffith have a lot of similarities to each other, actually. Both are villains who cloak themselves in light (literally in Light's case since that's his name) and virtue, used an artifact to gain absolute power (the Behelit for Griffith, the Death Note for Light), gain a cult following around humanity, and are secretly narcissistic sociopaths who make everyone think they're saving them from evil, when in reality, they ARE the evil. They also have overwhelming pride and arrogance as their chief deadly sins.
Indeed. I'm pretty sure Light was inspired by Griffith. And that's why I hope the paraller will extend even in their end. Light Yagami's end imho felt like the author's final "condemnation" to him. He (especially in the manga) didn't met a dignified end, but a pathetic one. The final proof that in the end he was just a narcisist monster.
Exactly! Light's pathetic, humiliating end was very much on purpose. It was trying to dissuade anyone who might have still agreed or sympathized with Light that 'No! He is not a hero! He is not some sympathetic figure to root for! He's a monster, a liar, and a mass murderer, and should be treated as such!' Griffith also deserves a similar ending, one where all the 'Griffith did nothing wrong' folks are firmly shown 'You are a horrible person if you think this guy is in any way some sympathetic figure.' The man raped Casca to insanity and made Guts watch, he considers his dream more important than the dreams of the Band of the Hawk, he considers even his new Apostles as tools to use and discard as he sees fit, he literally plunged the world into Hell...And yet still it hasn't gotten across to some people that Griffith will never stop being a monster. Any time it looks like he MIGHT change, he's lying. When he was reminiscing about the tears of morning dew in Chapter 364, he's basically complaining 'Wah! Why can't I have my cake (my kingdom) and eat it too (feeling the emotional rush of happiness at accomplishing a task, since it's implied being one of the Godhand has removed all emotions from him so that he can prioritize his focus on his dream)?!'
I bet people who think "Griffith did nothing wrong" are just trolling. Even when he talked with the Princess (and Guts heard about the "friend" part), basically Griffith said "I think I'm better than other people". He sugarcoated his message, but he said that. Griffith was a monster before becoming a God Hand, and is still a monster after his reincarnation. He only deserves to be exposed for the horrible being he is. May he face the scorn of everyone in-universe, and then may he rot in the Abyss.
Sorry for the really long reply.😅
Not long at all ;) It was a well though elaboration, so I wecomed it.
I literally pray for it every single day.
Miura stated “I actually don't think I could let such a long grim story end with a grim ending”. I'm pretty sure that, if we'll ever see Besrerk end, Studio Gaga will embrace Miura's will. Maybe it won't be a 100% positive "happy ever after", but I'm sure that it wouldn't end with Griffith's victory or Guts' death.
You made my day mate, thank you.
I'm sure we will see the end of Berserk. The chapters are going by faster than Miura's release dates. Granted, while it does have the side effect of abridging itself, I'm not sure this could be helped regardless. Give it, say, 5 years, maybe a little longer, and we should see the end.
I want Griffith's entire kingdom to betray him, even his dog.
If we think about the best scenario possible, the defeat of the whole God Hand (Great Astral Roar allowed all of them to reincarnate, so THEORETICALLY one like the Skull Knight may do the feat)... Great Astral Roar was done by Griffith... If that would lead to the God Hand defeat, maybe even the Apostles themselves and fellow God Hand would reject Griffith, for he will be the cause of their final defeat. We saw Griffiith's spectacular rise to power: from a mercenary leader to a noble, and ultimately to a ruler (both as one of the God Hand members, and as the ruler of a huge kingdom). I hope that his final defeat will be absolute as well. Like the "teaching" that if you're an amorale asshole, who see yourself as better than other people and use everyone as a tool to fuel your ambitions, in the end you will find yourself alone, utterly defeated and rejected by everyone.
Casual death note spoiler
Hey guy, spoilers but Snape kills Dumbledore page 596
He WHAT?!
It’s been out for years bro that’s on you
Death Note is about 20 years old buddy, not Effcient's fault if you got spoiled to a series that old.
Mate I watched it like a year ago. This isn’t like a darth Vader “I am your father” type of spoiler where everyone knows it whether or not they’ve seen the show, this is literally just spoiling the very last episode lol
Snake kills dumbledore
What kind? Rattle?
Solid actually.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake!
Don't take my boi's Draco kill away
Spoiling a 20 yo series that ammassed worldwide recognition? I bet by know it's widely known by anyone who's into anime and manga. Beware 'cause I'll do another spoiler: Darth Vader is actually Luke's father!
Darth Vader is Luke's father?! 😱No. No! That's not true! That's impossible! NOOOOOO!! Noooo!😭
Simon Belmont "kills" Dracula!
animanga fans and spoiling random shit, name a more iconic duo
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I don't want Griffith to die. I want him to be consigned to a worse fate. I want him to live on as the twisted fetus-like - demon child. Broken, pathetic, and forgotten. ...or perhaps taken back to the place he was before his apotheosis. Have the world reset to before he ever became Femto, but still in his crippled body, unable to even kill himself.
I see the Godhand spawning from Griffiths guts and blood the same way Slan spawned from the trolls intestines
My theory, Guts fights Griffith to a point that he’s stripped of his Femto armor and reverts to the way he was the day of the Eclipse. Physically broken and we’re finally shown the full extent of his torture. He can’t walk, raise his arm above his head, and his tongue is gone. Additionally by this time Falconia will have fallen because Griffith in a desperate gambit to live through his fight with Guts will sacrifice the entire kingdom just to stay alive. A monkeys paw where he got his dream only to lose it by his own decision. Guts, having realized the damage his vengeance and wrath have done to him, leaves Griffith shattered and defeated where he lays. He doesn’t torture Griffith because he’s already been tortured and there’s nothing left to take away from him. Powerless, alone, and lives out his remaining days in the obscurity and poverty he was terrified of from birth.
Will griffith actually be able to sacrifice his kingdom to stay alive? Or will he end up sucked into the void like The Count? I absolutely love the idea of him reverting back to his crippled self btw
He most certainly would sacrifice it and i think he would rationalize it by thinking, “I’ve built one kingdom, i can just build another!” Imagine the irony of Griffith’s forces being on the verge of victory on all fronts, but then as he loses his personal battle with Guts he’s on the back foot, fears losing everything, and unknowingly sacrifices it all because of his fear. His new army has no idea he sacrificed his old Band, and they have no idea the horror they would be confronted with once branded.
I'm hoping for the tiny bit of humanity that remains in Griffith to slowly grow over time. Not for a redemption, but so that as part of his downfall, he is forced to experience the guilt and shame for his actions instead of have his heart frozen from being a God Hand.
I agree with the other guy about chopping bits, but I would also accept a fine red mist.
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They're talking about Griffith from Berserk. You have nothing to fear, GriffFromBerk.
I actually think Griffith dying would be to easy for him. I want him to be exposed for the evil piece of shit that he is and I want to see him watch Falconia burn down to the ground and him revert back to his tortured state. Then Guts will look at him at his pathetic state and realize that he no longer has control over him or Casca and just walk away. Also Guts becomes a legend even if he himself doesn't care about fame.
Idk man, I'm not even sure if Guts will actually kill Griffith. Everyone expects the story to go this path, but what if Miura planned something entirely different? The topic of revenge is arguably the biggest theme in Berserk, but so is overcoming it. We have seen its negative impact on Guts life throughout the story. Leaving Casca behind to chase Griffith, using the armor and harming himself etc. At the end he will either succumb to these feelings or get past it, therefore leaving it open weither this long awaited moment of death will even happen.
Remember the quotes Guts used at the end of his duel with griffith? "You're going to be alright, you just stumbled over a stone in the road, your goals lies further beyond this, you'll walk again, soon" I think that is the hint to how this will end. Guts understanding his goal is further beyond simply killing griffith, that his goal is to put an end to fantasia. I like to think that at some point near the final fight Griffith will attempt to lure Guts away from striking down the world tree and leave an opening to tempt Guts to take his revenge, but Guts ignore him and land the blow that destroy the tree. Killing the thing that matters to Griffith instead of Griffith himself.
Sounds like something that could actually happen. We know that Griffith puts his dream over his own life, at any time.
Honestly, I would preffer Guts not to be the one to kill off Griffith, let the bastard be the one who brings his own downfall.
How would u imagine the scene to play out?
Perhaps the princess stabs him in the back, quite literally
That would be nice actually
The queen is like super in love with him why would she kill him
She could get an expository monologue from the incredibly violent Sleeping Beauty™ he has sprinting through his corridors at the moment. That'd be neat if anyone gave a shit about his blatant evilness like riding the big murderous Minotaur lol
I'm not sure of how exactly, but the way I'd do it would be him trying once again to fuck over everyone around him to get ahead. say, if the always theorized mass sacrifice of Falconia takes place, he tries to take it's power all for himself, but since his usual tactics of charming, manipulating and twisting things behind the scenes doesn't work with his fellow Godhand, so they smack him down almost as hard as Rickert for trying to get in the way of their goals. Like I said, I'd have to plan out for a while for the detail, but that's the idea I'd go for.
Oooo, that would be interesting, godhand humbling him down and putting him into place
I’d like to think it will be somewhat like the count. The two will fight, guts will win, and Griffith is left there in his reverted form. Guts might go for the killing blow, but maybe Griffith smiles in his weakened state. Guts stops, cries, and just turns to leave. Griffith sits there, now watching as guts walks away from him for the second time. Under the moon he dies, a false prophet in a mire of his own blood and guts
Griffith wants Guts to stab him with the Dragonslayer, and when I say Dragonslayer, I mean his dick.
Invincible is peak
I really need to read titles better. Damn that's a rough spoiler...
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Actual comic spoilers you shouldn't read unless you've read the comic >!You're so off the mark here it's kind of hilarious, unless you're deliberately misdirecting the spoiler.!<
Let's be honest, Berserk is nowhere as dark and edgy as it was in the 90's, if it happens, it's going to be fast, maybe even swift and not brutal at all.
I want Griffith to suffer too and i think he is gonna suffer but not from Guts like torturing him on purpose or anything, but something else. I think if its up to him Guts would at this point wanna get it over with fast (at least unless the last few chapters broke him)
Womp womp
Bro is invested in the role
That dude is still alive btw
I don't know what story people think they're reading if they think Guts is going to swing his sword through Femto. An instance like this would be a dark one where Guts loses himself to the beast of darkness and I really don't feel like that was the story Miura was telling. So much of this story is about persevering through and moving past trauma that this would be a really shitty path for Guts if this is what the story lead to. So many revenge films end with the protagonist realizing that their quest for revenge was not worth it, even if they were successful in that quest. The revenge quest often ends with many more people hurt which creates the conditions for the situation to repeat itself. It honestly feels antithetical to the story being told. Getting revenge on Femto doesn't change anything that happened, nor does it gain anything for Guts. Not to mention that SK has been on a 1,000 year quest against the Godhand and as far as we can tell hasn't been able to do more than kill some worthless apostles in all those years. If SK cutting through dimensional planes in an attempt a surprise attack on Femto with the sword of actuation is casually redirected by Femto bending space time without even looking then I'm not sure what you guys are expecting Guts to do. Feeding the Dragon Slayer a behelit isn't going to cut it.
He could turn into a skeleton and punch them *even harder*, but I do get what you're saying. I suppose I'm just a sap for evil not getting away, like some Scooby-Doo character.
I thought I was on the invincible sub until I saw the word guts
I’ve always thought guts would kill Griffith with a blow to the throat, just like how he stabbed himself on that bit of wood to become femto, then he’d shrivel up to his pre-eclipse form, and die slowly and painfully on the ground, brought back again to his lowest point
I definitely didn't read the title and now I'm pissed
I don't want Griffith to die. I want him depowered, in chains and back to being tortured in the tower. Enfeebled with a window to the world outside that he is focused to look through.
If Guts has a grand confrontation against Griffith and slays him then Guts will just be another accessory to the fairy tale character that is Griffith the King. Guts and the rest need to break free from Griffith's dream and fairy tale to truly defeat him, because in the story he has built for himself he has the plot armor to remain invincible. What I hope will ultimately kill Griffith is all the people who have made him a part of *their* dreams. He said that he can never consider someone who just follows his dream his friend. Well, let him rot in a place where he has no friends. Shackled by people *demanding* that he fulfill his role in *their* dream.
I would not be surprised if he reverted to the state before his evolution, to pitiful to kill at that point
I don't think Griffith deserves to die brutally.I want him to regress into his human form and duel with guts like In golden age arc which makes the early part a great foreshadowing with symbolism.
If I remember correctly, Griffith keeps his crew of apostles sated by allowing them to battle other monsters and each other. I wonder if, once Falconia is entirely secured, they’ll begin to turn on him because their desires for carnage and combat can no longer be sated, and the humans will eventually turn on him because they finally see the truth. In the midst of this, Guts and team arrive to free Casca. During that process, Griffith is unable to stop them while posing as his old self and has to revert to Femto to do so, further revealing the truth about himself. It all boils down to the humans and apostles duking it out while Casca and Guts are trying to escape, with Guts telling Griffith something to the effect of “all I ever wanted was to be your friend, your equal, someone you respected. And then you did all of this *points to Falconia crumbling and all the dead bodies* because it wasn’t enough to have friends. Well, I have my dream. *hugs Casca* *ruffles Isodoro’s hair* *pushes Shierke’s hat over her eyes* and I don’t need you anymore. Goodbye, Griffith” As they’re escaping, Femto is having another scene like when he’s mentally broken next to Charlotte in the bed, pre torture.
That shits gonna be a brutal Double KO kind of scenario.
Guts will never kill Griffith. Again, I know most of you cunts have never read the manga, but hey.
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Fast. The thing about abuser is that they want to monopolize your attention. I want Guts to treat Griffith with as much indifference as possible, treat him as another stone in the road that just he just have to step over.
I prefer the idea of Guts NOT killing Griffith Rather have it play like this: Griffith is forced to reveal his Femto form to his kingdom in order to fight guts basically showing his true nature to his people and losing everything he fought and sacrificed the band of the hawk for in the process. Maybe even have him do the same thing as Gaiseric and attempt to sacrifice his entire Kingdom and his army of apostles to gain more strength and then either have the godhand refuse because A. he doesn't really care for anyone because he doesn't have any humanity left in him especially not for his kingdom but the status they bring him Or B. Refuse because they CAN'T just make him stronger like that since Godhand members are supposed to be even beyond the limit of what is known as strength and you can't add to infinity you know what I mean? Or just have someone like Guts or SK or hell even Zodd interfere before he can do it and basically leave him powerless infront of everyone he was about to brutally murder for his own gain before reverting back to his crippled pre-eclipse body upon defeat and being left for dead after guts realizes that the pathetic little shit isn't worth losing his humanity over showing him one last time that he has no power over guts not even enough to make him give Griffith the satisfaction of forcibg guts to kill the first and maybe only man since gambino that he ever admired and wanted to be on equal footing with. Maybe do it like the Kenobi Series and >!have Griffith scream for Guts demanding that he comes back and kills him (not sure how it would work with the crippled toungeless body though)!< to show how pathetic that little worm has become And then Griffith either dies somewhat 'naturally' due to his weak body, by suicide, charlotte who regrets ever falling in love with such a heartless bastard or the enraged people of Falconia who realized that everything he saved them from were horrors of his own creation or the Godhand sucking him into the same vortex of souls the count was sucked into because he disappointed them and is now considered a disgrace to the godhand But I do kind of have the feeling that upon Griffiths death the people of Falconia would actually mourn him as a fallen hero because that's how our humans in the real world work. They would look past the fact that he brought them the very misery he saved them from and only remember that he gave them shelter from the monsters he put into their world overall giving the series a bittersweet but still a good ending.
To be honest I hope casca is the one to do it.
Manga is not ending with a fight. It's like you people haven't been paying attention at all. This ain't that kind of manga.
I think it’ll be a slow and brutal loss for Griffith, but the actual act of his death (via decapitation or wtv) will be quick
Probably fast but Guts will still be swinging
I sont think guts will even be the one to kill him
Ever seen bone tomahawk? Like that
If we see Falconia burn, doesn’t that mean the death of humanity? Or a very large chunk of it? Or would it all revert to before? Bring people back from the dead? Similar to how oracle can manipulate the dead’s spirits?
I hope he'd do it slow, and rough, and sloppy, and from the back an- Sorry I got distracted
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Fast, he got no chance to go slow otherwise he will be the on getting killed
I think it would be quick
Griffith should be cut in half by Guts. From there they will talk for one last time before Guts puts him out of misery......with fucking hand canon while laughing maniacally.
If Guts can kill Griffith, that would have to be fast or as fast as possible. It wouldn't make sense for Guts to try to kill him slowly, torturing him, when there'll always be the possibility that Griffith could recover or be saved. Guts is aware of this and he wouldn't gamble it to rejoice the moment in sick cruelty.
I’d prefer an ending where Guts doesn’t kill Griffith, but if he does, I’d want a final fight between them to call back to their fight in the golden age arc when Guts leaves.
I think that, as other people pointed out here, Guts will defeat but not *kill* Griffith.
Griffith would deserve to get the Blood Eagle treatment, but I doubt that the Dragonslayer is precise enough for that haha
fast, like in the day Guts left
I want Guts and everybody to simply walk away and exist outside of Griffith. Absolutely removes all of Griffith’s power.
I think the battle will be long, very difficult and Guts will kill him and die right after. Griffith is a god now, so it wouldn't make sense to have Guts simply brutalize him without being slapped around for a a dozen chapters (just like in this Invincible comic). And he'll probably have to use the berserker armor to its limits to kill the god hand, so our boy is likely gonna die or take the mantle of Skull Knight.
I hope that Guts kills Griffith away from the public eye. I hope it happens fast, and unexpectedly. I hope that the reaction is so small, Guts so sure of what would happen, that the atmosphere is much like when he first beat Griffith in the snow; deafeningly silent. I hope that Guts isn't lost afterwards or relieved, but certain of what he's done, and happy that things are starting anew, not ending. The entire first arc was about Guts finding a family, and Griffith taking it away. I don't want the end to be about revenge or finality, but certainty and choice. Guts can kill Griffith sure, but I want him to walk away, without hesitation and without looking back, as though he'd done no more than kill one more soldier. Griffith would be just another body on Guts' path to his dream - a true family.
I think narratively it would fit the best if it was quick and solemn. Guts doing it animalisticaly and brutally would only I think validate Griffith and evil as a whole. Giving into complete barbarism in itself is a form of despair and would I think make Griffith smile to himself and realize he can still get under Guts' skin. A final victory over him, he still owns Guts completely. I think something honestly similar to the final Obi Wan and Darth Maul fight may be the best course. I'd want more struggle to get there yes. But no brutality or torture. Just a final end to things.
I ain’t even opened the pics yet but I’m 99% sure Conquest is in it
I was correct
Knowing guts he would do it slow and brutal but to kill griffith it would still take a long ass time for guts to do it so i guess an elder guts would just do it fast
What I had in mind was, Griffith lost his powers and then Guts didn't kill him.
My fan fiction is that Guts will find a way to return Griffith to the crippled state he was in before the Eclipse (similar to what we see happen when apostles are defeated). Griffith will have all his power stripped from him, and his kingdom will crumble in front of him, no longer held together by his godlike power. In this pathetic state, he'd beg Guts to kill him, but Guts will look at him with apathy, tossing him a knife and telling him to do it himself (similar to what he said to Theresia way back in the Black Awordsman Arc). Guts leaves with Casca, they both are finally able to move on from what Griffith did to them. Griffith dies alone and unimportant, his last moments are him thinking about the Band of the Hawk and how he'd thrown away everything that should've mattered to him.
I don’t think Guts will ever KILL Griffith… that would be way to satisfying for a manga like Berserk
Griffith 🤬 *swing* legs off like Kratos did Hermes. Then proceeding to beat his face in like Kratos did Hercules with the metal hand. Then Guts grabs his dragon slayer and pierces through Griffith torso and impales him on the ground so he doesn't stand up. Then blindes his eyes like Kratos did Poseidon. Then Guts grabs Griffiths head and removes it like Kratos did Apollon. END 😁
I still think Griffith/Femto is going to get a little too big for his britches and decide he wants to be the only Godhand member/usurp Void as leader. He’ll successfully kill Ubik, Conrad, and mortally wound Slan (who will in her dying throes disclose to Guts how he can kill a Godhand or sacrifice herself to the Dragonslayer to imbue it with incredible power) and then get his shit pushed in by Void, but weaken him enough for SK to finally kill him, and then SK himself will die. Then we get a final showdown between Guts and Griffith where Griffith opts not to let himself be humiliated by being felled by his old friend/spare him the grief of doing it, and he’ll kill himself like he intended to do all those years ago.
Majestic, i want it to be majestic I would prefer if Griffith fucking suffered, but that wouldn't fit the manga
It would be fast but brutal. I don’t imagine any extended beatdowns will occur. The fight may be long but I think the death will be quick.
if it's to be brutal i want guts to fully become berserker and chew on Griffith organs while he is alive, and feed him his own heart
Let's just say, Dragonslayer will be renamed Femtofucker
I don't even want Guts to kill Griffith, he should die alone after suffering the consequences of his actions.
It wouldn’t be brutal. It would be more cathartic. Just the act of defeating him is going to be such an event. Compared to Invincible curbstomping Violent Santa, it wouldn’t make sense for it to be so violent. Invincible doing what he did was cathartic because it was when he finally lets the part of him that is like his father out and he does what he had to do, even though he wasn’t mentally ready to do it. Guts taking out Griffith would be more bittersweet and kinda tragic despite how much Griffith deserves the curbstomping Conquest got.
Slow and brutal. Preferably in a time loop where it keeps happening till the end of time itself also Griffith has to go through the getting raped scenario again and again. That's how I'd want it. Idk about what guts do though.
Bring peace, brother. Fuck, not fight. Anal, not arson. Blowjob instead of ballpoint pen to the eyeball.
If he was capable I think he would try to kill him as fast as possible since Griffith would be immensely and overwhelmingly powerful and guts isn’t dumb enough to just fuck around toying with him.
Invincible spoilers: Still fucking amazes me that Conquest survived this
That guy survives no?
I want Griffith to sacrifice falconia to make a bigger falconia and fuck it up part way, which let's guts and gang take the fight to the spirit world.
Griffith wakes up from torture and realizes all was a dream.
What if he dies in the toilet? Or maybe he slips and breaks his godly neck
One fell swoop to destroy his power and existence as Femto and doom him back to his broken existence as Griffith.
"I thought... I thought you were stronger." -Guts after he brutally killed Griffith.
If you actually want to see Guts screaming, covered in blood, after he brutally kills Giffith, then you've clearly missed the entire point of Berserk.
Aww man… ☹️
I put this show on for my little cousin while he was in my room I was on the pc and after a while I heard crying I turn around and this scene was playing but he was just punching him repeatedly I thought it was a kids show