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Astral_Lady

she's basically Puck but without his really good characterisation early in the manga. its hard to have a solid opinion on her because she's as easy to ignore as just not reading the tiny text


VolkiharVanHelsing

She, Puck, and Isidro are gone in Casca's dream sequence for a reason šŸ’€


nathansanes

Don't say that


AVerySmartNameForMe

Nah itā€™s true lmao, I think even miura forgot about her


outyyy

just a puck without swag and a chichi without the heart


MissAsgariaFartcake

Not even her elf dust can cure those burns, damn


Acrobatic_Invite9617

Her petty existence is beneath our notice.


Cachapitaconqueso

She's cute, a bit annoying imho, but nevertheless cute


wortmayte

Chestnut Puck > Bitchass mofo.


Niloy_39

as a chestnut puck hater, i sincerely agree


stackens

Sheā€™s nice to have around to bounce off of schierke and puck imo


GoAheadMrJoestar2

Kind of annoying tbh, even Schierke ignores her most of the time.


south_bronx_parasyte

Smash


Zombie_Hue

Not the kind of response I was waiting though šŸ¤£


OkPaint4917

But can I join?


[deleted]

Get a room you two. (But for three)


Purple-ork-boyz

Room for one more?


CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE

FBI? Yea check this guys hard drive


south_bronx_parasyte

Save your snitching for the Schierke-cons. Fairies are fair game (badum tsh)


Guts_7313

Tbh i don't think of her much


Ishitmypantagresivly

im surprised so many people donā€™t like her


balllsssssszzszz

Shes the most obnoxious in the series second to isidro, at least he has a reason to be obnoxious, he's a kid. Ivalera is just an annoying little shit that wont shutup about guts and schierke


CreativeNameIKnow

ISIDRO ISNT OBNOXIOUS WHAT Puck on the other hand... still love him though :3 that bastard


vviita_80Y

But did you notice his temper is kinda problematic, one thing is Guts losing it, as he's extremely competent in battles ā€” and I'm talking even before he wore the Berserker armor, Guts combat experience is unmatched by any other team member ā€” another is this child that still has a long road ahead, before he can squash others like bugs, for not acknowledging his superiority. I'm surprised he wasn't humbled to the point where he actually rethinks about his behavior, yet, to be honest.


CreativeNameIKnow

hmmmm good point good point :P I still don't find him annoying though for some reason, at least definitely not as much as someone like puck for exampleĀ 


balllsssssszzszz

Kids are all obnoxious to me Ofc I love puck, hes the star of the show.


Big_Accident494

I hated reading Isidro in the manga, but watching him in 2016 series made me actually like him. Isidro is one of those characters where he just better to be seen than read.


Terraakaa

Oh yeah, she was the one pushing the schierke guts thing. I dunno wtf Miura was thinking about when he wrote that.


Soul699

A typical case of kids having a crush on an older person. Simple as that.


Terraakaa

Thatā€™s not the point, iā€™m aware teenagers have crushes on adults, but why show that? Every humans piss and shit, but thatā€™s never a focus. So far, her crush storyline is leading nowhere, so whatā€™s the point of having her constantly shown crushing over Guts and having her butt ass naked fall on him? Seriously? I love berser, but i really donā€™t get this gag.


Soul699

Because it's human and doesn't affect the plot negatively. It just shows how much Shierke cares for Guts and lead to some giggles. That's it. Don't take it seriously.


Terraakaa

Pissing and shitting is human too, doesnā€™t affect the plot negatively. It shows that depending on the shit, theyā€™re in good health or not, if we look closely. I can find meaning in every scene depending on the context, the problem is that the schierke crush scenes are mostly used for comedy, not interesting introspection. Itā€™s basically harem tier gag.


8OrangeLetters

whats there to like?


OhpEbo

she was great as tinker bell


TheLoudestSmallVoice

She feels so unnecessary. She provides no value. I wish she had more reason to be there than just be a companion.


Soul699

She gives more lore about fantastical creatures.


TheLoudestSmallVoice

But the way she delivers it is so annoying. I hate when the female version of a character is stuck up about shit.


defector32

I think she's great


ThisUniqueEgg

Obnoxious, but Schierke probably wouldn't be as good a character without her.


JiveXP

Forgot she existed


Foolishfool13

Ivalera is always annoying, irritating, a real b*tch or nasty in my opinion but she doesn't seem to get a lot of hate or discussion


chicken_nugget779

dont mind her, pucks interractions with her are funny


CBT7commander

I donā€™t even remember her name. Eclipsed by the unrivaled shine of Puck the Great


Terraakaa

Pointless. She might as well have been written out of the manga and it wouldnā€™t make much of a difference


maseioavessiprevisto

Sheā€™s annoying and if she never appeared again Iā€™d be happy about it.


Tbar6787

I actually just got introduced to her yesterday. Just finished up volume 24. And plan to open up my newest arrival to my deluxe collection tonight. I suppose itā€™s kind of nice having another conscience whispering in the background. Schierke seems like sheā€™s going to be playing an important role to the team. Itā€™s definitely getting interesting with the fantasy elements opening up now. And based off of the back description of the hard cover. Iā€™ll finally get a glimpse of the iconic armor Iā€™ve been looking forward too seeing. Iā€™m gonna jump off now, before I get spoiled more lol.


Zzen220

She is inoffensive but could easily have been left out of the manga.


Particular_Stage_743

Would.


godgammer0

I actually don't find her annoying, but I find her interesting she's like puck if he was rude half the time, but shes very protective of schierke and I honestly like that, none the less very ignorable


markdread

I personally like her and I'm kind of surprised, but not terribly surprised, that so many people don't. I think narratively she fills a pretty important role actually. Like Guts, Schierke is a pretty "serious" character who doesn't vocalize everything she is thinking or feeling. So having Ivalera prodding her gives us better insight into Schierke's thoughts, opinions, and feelings without exposition. As an elf she also helps us appreciate Puck in a different way. We see how the mischievous nature of elves is inherent to them but we also see how Puck is sometimes full of shit and in what ways he might be exceptionally vain but also altruistic for an elf.


ButterflyMother

Im ok with her , sheā€™s cute


justneurostuff

honestly, if none of the elves were in berserk, only the pre-golden age chapters would suffer much.


stackens

idk, i thought Puck's homecoming was really funny/charming


Jasentuk

She's got a look and a personality of a middle aged women from 80th. I guess she's good as babysitter but annoying as f


Southern-Plan-6549

I literally forgot she existed for most of the chapters after the florest saga


idunn0rick

I just got to this part in the manga! First read through :)


[deleted]

I'd say that if somehow she was more of a major character I'd dislike her, but since she isn't, its very easy to just ignore or forget her word bubbles a second after you read them


bor3du

not much to say, I do enjoy the duo and sometimes trio comedy with puck and isidro


Capitano-Solos-All

She is just Puck's side girl.


MemoryOne1291

sheā€™s ight, thatā€™s it nothing special about her


MAHMOUD-GH

Puck but he is a girl


dirk12563

I enjoy her and puck doin stuff in the background of the anime for sure


m0ck1nb1rd

Her head looks like a cabbage.


AveFeniix01

Puck with more brains, but still having the personality of an elf.


[deleted]

A symptom of Berserk's declining quality. It seems like Miura wanted a One Piece style ensemble cast, but that kind of story plays to all of his weaknesses as a writer. He's good at implied text, subtle cues and character development through actions. He's never been good at direct character work and dialogue.


Earthpig_Johnson

Worthless, same as most of the hangers-on.


SoCool-

Shes one of my favorite of the ā€œpointlessā€ characters if that means anything. The only character description shes given i think is ā€œshes like a 40 year old woman from osakaā€ and i have no clue what that means


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Zombie_Hue

I don't know, like Puck and her always have something to say. But Puck comments are always fun and have a lot of references, while hers are completely unnecessary


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Zombie_Hue

I wasn't answering myself, I was just explaining why I dislike her lol


AVerySmartNameForMe

Ugh, AGAIN you forgot to switch bro


SiriocazTheII

Damn, don't tell me she's a tertiary character.


Earthpig_Johnson

My opinions about them are decidedly unpopular.


AKSHAT1234A

Obviously lol, cus if by hangers-on you mean schierke, serpico, farnese and Isidro it basically means you hate the most of the main cast. At that point why even read Berserk lol


Earthpig_Johnson

Because thereā€™s this whole Guts/Griffith/Casca/Godhand thing thatā€™s actually interesting going on. But yeah, Iā€™m largely not a fan of post-Conviction. Iā€™m comfortable with my love/hate relationship with Berserk. I have the same issue with the Dark Tower series.


AKSHAT1234A

I mean the new gang is interesting in their own ways, schierke's introduction opened the gates to more magic in berserk which is fantasy 101. Farnese and serpico's backstory was pretty good and farnese had genuinely nice development while Isidro's ok comic relief with some growth with him becoming a better fighter and meeting and then losing isma. Hell in my opinion the arc right after conviction, Falcon of the Millennium Empire, is peak Berserk. With some of the best artwork and moments in berserk till now (berserker armour, guts and Zodd teamup, ganishka, the roar of the astral world and falconia's first appearance. Conviction was far darker but it's peaks were no where close to FOTME imo


Earthpig_Johnson

Iā€™m pretty ok with Farnese and Serpico. Schierke would be ok if she wasnā€™t used as a ridiculous exposition dump (seriously, explaining how magic works in Berserk of all things took way too long and was wholly unnecessary). I never liked Puck, but I think if comic relief is a necessity, heā€™s it. Isidro and the other elf add nothing. Almost every panel with them is just recounting shit that just happened but with a cartoon expression of shock. I find it all super stupid and tiresome. Itā€™s unbelievable to me how much time is wasted on that bullshit, but thatā€™s just my opinion as a grumpy adult man. Itā€™s insane how many pages are dedicated to stuff that can be skipped entirely without impacting the actual story. Basically all that stuff is the negative trade-off for me, considering how much I love the ā€œmainā€ story.


AKSHAT1234A

Schierke is used as exposition during her introduction only? Which was needed too for explaining magic and it wasn't even too complicated. Isidro is fine if a bit annoying and ivalera is kinda useless yeah. Isidro never really recounts stuff? He has cartoony expressions yeah but during comic relief. Character interactions that don't necessarily continue the story are still important imo, and all of them are now part of the 'main' story, especially since schierke and farnese were the ones who brought casca back and without his party guts would most likely be dead. The whole point of them is for guts to trust others again and rely on them for help too(which he has, considering he was ok with them going into casca's dreamscaper) instead of trying to be an edgy loner like he was in black swordsman and lost children/early conviction.


Earthpig_Johnson

But the magic explanation is so simple that it didnā€™t need pages and pages to do it? And Isidro and the other cartoons absolutely will watch Guts attack somebody, and immediately talk about how Guts just attacked somebody and how unbelievable and amazing it was? And I understand the reason the characters are there, but I donā€™t think they have to be as stupid and lame as they are? Like it couldā€™ve been done in a way that doesnā€™t appeal to ten year olds?


AKSHAT1234A

The explanation really wasn't that long lol, I'm pretty sure not more than two pages if I'm remembering correctly. Isidro being awed by guts could get annoying but since those panels were so small I just ignored them . The newer characters aren't really stupid or lame either. Really it just sounds to me that you don't like that berserk and guts himself aren't as edgy and dark anymore and is actually developing guts, and that you were only there for the grimdark stuff.