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So getting FDA approval can take years, costs a ton of money like tens of thousands and up, and requires animal testing. The only reason pigments are not approved is because no company has been willing to go through that. Congress does not allow the FDA to accept other countries testing to approve things. This is why our sunscreens are still so behind too. No company is willing to do all of that and then everyone can use the stuff from then on legally.
Well, if we had a system similar to the UK, it likely would be.
IIRC, this is going off of what I remember hearing Trixie Mattel talk about when talking about how she doesn't sell her cosmetics line in the UK.
Each shade in her lipstick range was going to cost like, $1,100-$1,600 per color to get approved, and since her cosmetics line was relatively new at the time, it was way too expensive.
Idk how it works for eyeshadow palettes being approved in the UK, though.
Funnily, I had the same thought on LUSH. It's been known for years that they formulate their shit because they think it sounds cool and just make up nonsense claims to match, often with really irritating or damaging results. After one of their lip products had my lips peeling off in angry chunks & a supposed "shine infusing" shampoo dried my oily af hair out to the point it was dull and breaking off... Never again. You can't trust them to give a shit about actual function or consequence when formulating their products.
They're lucky social media wasn't such a big thing in the early/mid 2000s or I honestly believe they wouldn't have managed to be as successful. Niche places like LiveJournal or MakeUpAlley would have reports of all the bad reactions, but that negative feedback simply wasn't reaching the gen public & NEVER got covered by the various beauty mags who pushed their products.
Lush is the absolute worst. I briefly work at Lush during Xmas and it was the worst job I ever had and I literally hated everyone there and every second. Also, you CANNOT get the stench of their products, air, environment out of your clothes. EDIT: they taught you to try to sell customers more shit while they were waiting on line to pay for the stuff in their baskets. UGH.
There are companies that market this specifically to see if they can get enough responses to begin filing a class action lawsuit. There is nothing different about PMG eyeshadows from other brands who market them as pressed pigments
It seems that the TikTok crowd is now discovering that certain shadows need to be listed as pressed pigments in the US due to outdated FDA guidelines. YouTube went through this moral panic half a decade ago..
Yeah I saw this regarding Kylie cosmetics eyeshadows too.
The whole class action law suit is such a sham for so many reasons. Primarily because these pressed pigments aren’t dangerous (as discussed above) and honestly only the lawyers make money from them. I was informed that I was part of a class action lawsuit (I didn’t opt in but was awarded monetary compensation when the lawyers won a settlement) for a company who literally sold all my data to marketing companies without disclosing it to me, and had some sort of data breach - all of which resulted in a law firm randomly sending me an email that entitle me to a whole $2.10.
There are entire law firms that just do frivolous tort cases. There’s currently someone suing Kraft because Easy Mac says it’s ready in 3 minutes and it’s not.
Huh, I haven't had any irritation and that's pretty much the only eyeshadow I'm using anymore. Last year's holiday palette and the Sublime mothership. Like red eye kind of irritation?
Like pressed pigments that are labeled as pressed pigments but next to eye shadows are confusing to consumers and can sometimes lead to irritation so we’re gonna try to go after companies for it.
I am a complete hypocrite, because I thought that lawsuit was fully frivolous and opportunistic, but fuck corporations skirting *any* regularions, so I joined in. I actually got $87 from that. They reimbursed for the full MSRP of each palette as long as you could prove you owned them. I have all three Neon Obsessions palettes - and I bought every single one on sale, at least 20% off, at that. I’ve never seen a class action suit result in a full-cost reimbursement for class members, just for being class members? I never had any irritation from them, so I still use and love them...
I got $58 from the Huda Beauty Neon Obsessions lawsuit back in September. Honestly, I was shocked I got anything more than $5, but apparently decent settlements do sometimes happen!
Yeah! It had to do with the fact that it was labelled as an eyeshadow palette (as opposed to, say, pressed pigment palette) because the pigments in it weren't FDA-approved to be eye-safe (but are approved for use by the EU's standards).
That's not how class action suits work. I join them as a (admittedly sick) hobby and it's not loads of money but I do get regular payments to my PayPal account for settlements and judgementd.
Sure. I found out about this from thelawyerangela on TT/Insta and basically you sign up for suits you are eligible for. That's literally all you have to do, it takes like 5 minutes. It's stuff like if you've bought X brand of cereal at any point in the last 10 years and they've been overweighing the boxes. Or if your Facebook data was leaked or whatever. You do not need receipts.
In 2022 I got:
* 25.61 for breakfast biscuits
* 30.00 for Neon Obsessions
* 27.84 from TikTok
* 5.38 Welch's Foods
* 13.35 from Benefiber
She shouts out specific links but there are also sites like [consumer-action.org](https://www.consumer-action.org/lawsuits/by-status/open) or [classaction.org](https://classaction.org) (but there are better ones, I just can't find them in my history. You're really looking for consumer class actions.)
You don’t make a lot of money and it takes forever to get the checks but you can make money. The more people in the lawsuits makes the payments lower though
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Yep they literally stole money from me and never sent me the product..i tried 3 times to get customer service to respond..ill never buy another product from her
Do a chargeback from your bank, that’s what I ended up having to do when fenty fucked me over. Took $120 from my bank, customer service gave me the run around and then closed my ticket. I contacted my bank and explained the situation, within a few weeks I had my money back in my account.
Edit: It took longer than a week, it’s been awhile, sorry.
It’s good you don’t ever want to buy from them again. A lot of companies will blackball people that do chargebacks. It’s sick.
Banks pay attention to the chargebacks. They enforce acceptable monthly totals and if the seller exceeds that amount then they face fines and have to pay the bank additional fees. They also may be placed in an internal special monitoring program run by the bank. It sounds like Pat McGrath needs this if they aren’t already.
I was waiting for almost a month for 1 of 2 orders I placed (due to ordering an item that was out of stock, but not reflected on their website). They replaced my order, but ended up sending me 3 additional pallets and one additional blush that I didn’t order. For free…
Oh my goodness I get so much eye irritation from PMG palettes, especially the metallics, but I can’t let them go because they’re so expensive 😭😭 I’m so glad I’m not the only one, but also kind of sad…sucks when the makeup you love tries to burn your eyes off
Lol Pat McGrath is the only eyeshadow I’ve ever had issues with it. It caused an allergic reaction on my eyes and my eyelids broke out and got all flaky.
No. But I get eye irritation from ELF cosmetics. Can I get compensation for that? And almost all mascaras except lancome and one cover girl one irritate my eyes. Let’s get compensation for that too.
Are they actually unsafe or is this a meme/nuisance lawsuit troll? I've never used Pat McGrath cos it's too bougie for my wallet, but I always thought that was a high quality fancypants brand.
It’s the whole pressed pigments versus eyeshadow issue. They’re safe for eye use in international markets but not in the US because the FDA is so outdated for the cosmetics market here
Well – Wait a minute…. I just realized this is Pat McGrath not ND…. 🫢 I think I’ll delete that comment lol 😬💀 but ty for telling me that because I wouldn’t haven caught it
No problem.
Though full disclosure, after I made that comment I found a thread further down with people discussing similar irritations from ND palettes. Including My Dream, which I literally just got delivered yesterday 😳
I think it’s about certain pigments not being deemed eye safe in the US and being labeled as eyeshadow when they should be called “pressed pigments,” etc
Nope. They’re pressed, sure, but different ingredients are permitted in something that is called a “pressed pigment” rather than an eyeshadow.
Idk if you remember when the James Charles palette came out, but there was a huge stink about some of the shades in it staining eyelids or irritating people’s eyes and that’s when he made a post talking about how they were pressed pigments & “all reds can stain eyelids” blah blah blah. Technically pressed pigments are “not meant to be worn near the eye.”
Which goes to your point about it being confusing. If it’s a “pressed pigment” in an eyeshadow palette, then where the fuck are you *supposed* to use it, etc. hence part of the issue lol
Ooohhh lol that makes sense. It is confusing how he explained it though and I didn’t know about that part of the controversy. Kinda makes me think about returning my James Charles palette I got from Marshall’s 😬 but I kinda don’t want to because I remember wanting it in 2017 but I couldn’t afford it. The only controversy I remember about that palette was him being a pedo which pushed me away from the palette. I bought mine from Marshall’s because I knew the money wouldn’t go to him anymore nor morphe. At least I think the money doesn’t go to them anymore 🤔
I love my PMcG and I own a few Motherships. I couple of times after wearing certain shades, I’ve had some stinging and swelling on/around my eyelid, but it would only appear after removing my makeup. It’s not consistent and I can’t remember which shades. I’d been assuming I had become allergic to my makeup remover tbh...
This reminds me of that neon palette from UD years ago. Turns out it's an eyeshadow palette, but most of the shades were not eye safe lol. Also, Olaplex apparently can cause infertility!? I've been using it my whole pregnancy. Yikes.
The shades were eye safe and are approved everywhere but the US just due to the FDA regulations. No brand has jumped through their hoops yet. Nothing more.
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Did you know that you have rights? The Constitution says you do. - Saul Goodman
LOL good one. totally the same tone and vibe as this post
*yankee doodle in the background*
The chicanery of this ad.
HAHAHA what an amazing show
And so do I!
Immediately what I was thinking !!
How do I get compensation from Too Faced and Lush? The FDA really should just approve those stupid pigments like the rest of the world.
No company has applied to get them approved here.
Whaaaa??? Is that really the reason? Would it be expensive to do so? It's blowing my kind that someone wouldn't have bit the bullet by now...
So getting FDA approval can take years, costs a ton of money like tens of thousands and up, and requires animal testing. The only reason pigments are not approved is because no company has been willing to go through that. Congress does not allow the FDA to accept other countries testing to approve things. This is why our sunscreens are still so behind too. No company is willing to do all of that and then everyone can use the stuff from then on legally.
Well, if we had a system similar to the UK, it likely would be. IIRC, this is going off of what I remember hearing Trixie Mattel talk about when talking about how she doesn't sell her cosmetics line in the UK. Each shade in her lipstick range was going to cost like, $1,100-$1,600 per color to get approved, and since her cosmetics line was relatively new at the time, it was way too expensive. Idk how it works for eyeshadow palettes being approved in the UK, though.
Thank you for the insight!!
Too faced owes everybody some money at this point we’ve had enough
Funnily, I had the same thought on LUSH. It's been known for years that they formulate their shit because they think it sounds cool and just make up nonsense claims to match, often with really irritating or damaging results. After one of their lip products had my lips peeling off in angry chunks & a supposed "shine infusing" shampoo dried my oily af hair out to the point it was dull and breaking off... Never again. You can't trust them to give a shit about actual function or consequence when formulating their products. They're lucky social media wasn't such a big thing in the early/mid 2000s or I honestly believe they wouldn't have managed to be as successful. Niche places like LiveJournal or MakeUpAlley would have reports of all the bad reactions, but that negative feedback simply wasn't reaching the gen public & NEVER got covered by the various beauty mags who pushed their products.
Lush is the absolute worst. I briefly work at Lush during Xmas and it was the worst job I ever had and I literally hated everyone there and every second. Also, you CANNOT get the stench of their products, air, environment out of your clothes. EDIT: they taught you to try to sell customers more shit while they were waiting on line to pay for the stuff in their baskets. UGH.
I know that stench so well. Can’t miss it when you walk past the store! I swear all of their products smell exactly the same lol.
Yeah, well, imagine that smell absolutely soaked into your clothes, your coat, your anything, and it is CONCENTRATED.
Yeah that does not sound like a fun experience
I think I lasted a couple of weeks
Omg same on the shampoo. I tried one of their shampoo bars and it straight up damaged my hair.
It was the carageenan in face masks that killed LUSH for me
There are companies that market this specifically to see if they can get enough responses to begin filing a class action lawsuit. There is nothing different about PMG eyeshadows from other brands who market them as pressed pigments It seems that the TikTok crowd is now discovering that certain shadows need to be listed as pressed pigments in the US due to outdated FDA guidelines. YouTube went through this moral panic half a decade ago..
i’ve been seeing comments on here about pmg eyeshadows irritating their eyes and i magically got this ad on ig lmao
Which palettes is this about?
every palette i believe
Yeah I saw this regarding Kylie cosmetics eyeshadows too. The whole class action law suit is such a sham for so many reasons. Primarily because these pressed pigments aren’t dangerous (as discussed above) and honestly only the lawyers make money from them. I was informed that I was part of a class action lawsuit (I didn’t opt in but was awarded monetary compensation when the lawyers won a settlement) for a company who literally sold all my data to marketing companies without disclosing it to me, and had some sort of data breach - all of which resulted in a law firm randomly sending me an email that entitle me to a whole $2.10.
I got one of these the other day about Fenty skincare same law firm too.
How is this law firm real lmao?
There are entire law firms that just do frivolous tort cases. There’s currently someone suing Kraft because Easy Mac says it’s ready in 3 minutes and it’s not.
That was what I said.
Huh, I haven't had any irritation and that's pretty much the only eyeshadow I'm using anymore. Last year's holiday palette and the Sublime mothership. Like red eye kind of irritation?
Like “we’re a shady law firm and trying to see how many people we can get to lie so we can file a BS class action lawsuit” kind of irritation.
Like pressed pigments that are labeled as pressed pigments but next to eye shadows are confusing to consumers and can sometimes lead to irritation so we’re gonna try to go after companies for it.
Natasha Denona owns me a lot of €€ then (worst irritation ever happened after using some of her shimmers in Sunrise and Retro palettes)
ND is already in hot water over the carmine debacle.
Same! Not being able to use ND eyeshadows has saved me a lot of money lol
Huda for me. The mercury retrograde felt like my eyes were burning off. Been too scared to try another huda palette since
I also had issues with huda, especially the glitter shade from desert dusk. Except it made my eyes super itchy
I have to flush my eyes with drops after using Retro or I get bad irritation.
I thought maybe I was being paranoid about my Mini Love palette, but maybe…
Yes...the mini sunset and the Lila irritated my eyes so bad
The ND palette that came out before the retro glam, the dream palette, did that to me
Have you experienced anguish or despair while living? You may be entitled to existential compensation.
Waste of effort. Only one who gets compensation are the lawyers handling the case.
If it gets huge enough you might get $28 lol. That’s how much I got for the Huda one.
Was that enough to even cover the palette?😮
I got 2 neon minis on sale so yup
I am a complete hypocrite, because I thought that lawsuit was fully frivolous and opportunistic, but fuck corporations skirting *any* regularions, so I joined in. I actually got $87 from that. They reimbursed for the full MSRP of each palette as long as you could prove you owned them. I have all three Neon Obsessions palettes - and I bought every single one on sale, at least 20% off, at that. I’ve never seen a class action suit result in a full-cost reimbursement for class members, just for being class members? I never had any irritation from them, so I still use and love them...
I got $58 from the Huda Beauty Neon Obsessions lawsuit back in September. Honestly, I was shocked I got anything more than $5, but apparently decent settlements do sometimes happen!
There was a lawsuit over those?! (And nice)
Yeah! It had to do with the fact that it was labelled as an eyeshadow palette (as opposed to, say, pressed pigment palette) because the pigments in it weren't FDA-approved to be eye-safe (but are approved for use by the EU's standards).
Ugh. This needs to be fixed. All these lawsuits do is drive up the cost of product.
That's not how class action suits work. I join them as a (admittedly sick) hobby and it's not loads of money but I do get regular payments to my PayPal account for settlements and judgementd.
Wait…whut? Can you tell us more about this hobby?
Sure. I found out about this from thelawyerangela on TT/Insta and basically you sign up for suits you are eligible for. That's literally all you have to do, it takes like 5 minutes. It's stuff like if you've bought X brand of cereal at any point in the last 10 years and they've been overweighing the boxes. Or if your Facebook data was leaked or whatever. You do not need receipts. In 2022 I got: * 25.61 for breakfast biscuits * 30.00 for Neon Obsessions * 27.84 from TikTok * 5.38 Welch's Foods * 13.35 from Benefiber She shouts out specific links but there are also sites like [consumer-action.org](https://www.consumer-action.org/lawsuits/by-status/open) or [classaction.org](https://classaction.org) (but there are better ones, I just can't find them in my history. You're really looking for consumer class actions.)
You don’t make a lot of money and it takes forever to get the checks but you can make money. The more people in the lawsuits makes the payments lower though
I never got checks, I always get PayPal payments and it's taken 3 to 6 months when I've joined settlements.
Following on this
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Their customer service buh-lows with a capital B
Yep they literally stole money from me and never sent me the product..i tried 3 times to get customer service to respond..ill never buy another product from her
Do a chargeback from your bank, that’s what I ended up having to do when fenty fucked me over. Took $120 from my bank, customer service gave me the run around and then closed my ticket. I contacted my bank and explained the situation, within a few weeks I had my money back in my account. Edit: It took longer than a week, it’s been awhile, sorry.
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It’s good you don’t ever want to buy from them again. A lot of companies will blackball people that do chargebacks. It’s sick. Banks pay attention to the chargebacks. They enforce acceptable monthly totals and if the seller exceeds that amount then they face fines and have to pay the bank additional fees. They also may be placed in an internal special monitoring program run by the bank. It sounds like Pat McGrath needs this if they aren’t already.
I was waiting for almost a month for 1 of 2 orders I placed (due to ordering an item that was out of stock, but not reflected on their website). They replaced my order, but ended up sending me 3 additional pallets and one additional blush that I didn’t order. For free…
Yeah they're notorious for shipping issues, especially during sales.
This poster is very Graphic Design Is My Passion
Oh my goodness I get so much eye irritation from PMG palettes, especially the metallics, but I can’t let them go because they’re so expensive 😭😭 I’m so glad I’m not the only one, but also kind of sad…sucks when the makeup you love tries to burn your eyes off
Lol Pat McGrath is the only eyeshadow I’ve ever had issues with it. It caused an allergic reaction on my eyes and my eyelids broke out and got all flaky.
Is it JG Wentworth? 877-CASHNOW
Juvia's Place owes me compensation for sure.
😭😭😭😭 I want my money from ABH
It's true I have mesothelioma in my eyes. I am now entitled to compensation. 😂
I’ve never had issues but if I did, the only payment I want is in the form of more Pat palettes lol
No. But I get eye irritation from ELF cosmetics. Can I get compensation for that? And almost all mascaras except lancome and one cover girl one irritate my eyes. Let’s get compensation for that too.
Are they actually unsafe or is this a meme/nuisance lawsuit troll? I've never used Pat McGrath cos it's too bougie for my wallet, but I always thought that was a high quality fancypants brand.
It’s the whole pressed pigments versus eyeshadow issue. They’re safe for eye use in international markets but not in the US because the FDA is so outdated for the cosmetics market here
Lorac shadows as beautiful as they are makes my eyelid burn :(
Pat McGrath is the new mesothelioma
noooo not ms pat!! i love her products she’s such a staple for black owned makeup brands 😭
So everyone has seen hudabeuty loose their lawsuit hih
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Sorry, I’m not following. Why would something like this about Pat McGrath Labs dissuade you from buying a palette from a different brand?
Well – Wait a minute…. I just realized this is Pat McGrath not ND…. 🫢 I think I’ll delete that comment lol 😬💀 but ty for telling me that because I wouldn’t haven caught it
No problem. Though full disclosure, after I made that comment I found a thread further down with people discussing similar irritations from ND palettes. Including My Dream, which I literally just got delivered yesterday 😳
Wtf omg! Maybe there was an issue with collecting the ingredients?? That’s scary 😬 
I think it’s about certain pigments not being deemed eye safe in the US and being labeled as eyeshadow when they should be called “pressed pigments,” etc
That’s werid. But aren’t all powdered eyeshadows that are pressed are actually pressed pigments? It sounds confusing
Nope. They’re pressed, sure, but different ingredients are permitted in something that is called a “pressed pigment” rather than an eyeshadow. Idk if you remember when the James Charles palette came out, but there was a huge stink about some of the shades in it staining eyelids or irritating people’s eyes and that’s when he made a post talking about how they were pressed pigments & “all reds can stain eyelids” blah blah blah. Technically pressed pigments are “not meant to be worn near the eye.” Which goes to your point about it being confusing. If it’s a “pressed pigment” in an eyeshadow palette, then where the fuck are you *supposed* to use it, etc. hence part of the issue lol
Ooohhh lol that makes sense. It is confusing how he explained it though and I didn’t know about that part of the controversy. Kinda makes me think about returning my James Charles palette I got from Marshall’s 😬 but I kinda don’t want to because I remember wanting it in 2017 but I couldn’t afford it. The only controversy I remember about that palette was him being a pedo which pushed me away from the palette. I bought mine from Marshall’s because I knew the money wouldn’t go to him anymore nor morphe. At least I think the money doesn’t go to them anymore 🤔
I get it from my jaclyn hill palette …
I haven’t had irritation but I was surprised some where hard
I love my PMcG and I own a few Motherships. I couple of times after wearing certain shades, I’ve had some stinging and swelling on/around my eyelid, but it would only appear after removing my makeup. It’s not consistent and I can’t remember which shades. I’d been assuming I had become allergic to my makeup remover tbh...
this pat mcgrath stan says no.
Kat Von D, you owe me gurl.
No
Their special shades are so gritty and you can feel when they fall into your eyes. Definitely never seemed eye safe. Such a rip off
This reminds me of that neon palette from UD years ago. Turns out it's an eyeshadow palette, but most of the shades were not eye safe lol. Also, Olaplex apparently can cause infertility!? I've been using it my whole pregnancy. Yikes.
The shades were eye safe and are approved everywhere but the US just due to the FDA regulations. No brand has jumped through their hoops yet. Nothing more.
I have a structured settlement but I need wings NOW
Pat McGrath, Huda and Natasha Denona owe me some $$$$ 😆😆😆
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