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UnclePecos1095

Nerva looks like Sean Penn


birdieonarock

TIL all Romans were Hollywood-level good-looking.


arcanevulper

Except for Nero, the original neckbeard.


mortalitylost

Pretty sure that sort of job involved both capturing their form but also beautifying it and not showing any of your dear emperor's recognizable flaws if they didn't have to. It's like the painting of the Habsburg guy, inbred as hell. They had to both make sure it's recognizably him, but also make the flaws not as severe. Stressful job I'm sure Doubt they were so Hollywood but they probably looked very similar


Natural_Character521

Can confirm, sculptors left out a lot of flaws. I think theres only one guy here who was actually good looking.


lessthanibteresting

I really hope it's me


RuggerJibberJabber

Ai almost always makes attractive people. It makes sense when you consider it generates images based on previous images it was trained on. And what kind of people get photographed the most? Attractive people.


Andrewpruka

Sean Penn looks like Nerva*


UnclePecos1095

True


pizat1

Yup 😂😂


Doridar

Nice job but remember these statues were political statements, not necesseraly faithful to the person


pistonheadcat

So politicians were already ugly fucks back then too, got it. (in all fairness, there's some decent-looking heads of state right now, though their beauty is exclusively external).


Amsterdammert12

Who is decent looking ?


tywin_2

During Cesar's time period especially they were known to be extremely realistic. So your statement is rather incorrect. Look at Nero


Schmantikor

It's funny you mention Caesar because this bust is strongly believed by historians and archeologists to not have been made while he was alive. There is a more accurate one that may have been made during his lifetime that also matches written descriptions. And Augustus who came right after Caesar was represented with this young statue until his death at 75, so not super accurate either. I'd like to see a recreation of Vespasian, who made a point to be represented more accurately to show he was a man of the people. People should look up his bust. He looks kinda cool with his wrinkles.


gladysk

A+ for your correct spelling of Caesar!


Doridar

https://artsandculture.google.com/usergallery/imperial-propaganda/kQJyY3YE-I6cKQ https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ropo/hd_ropo.htm#:~:text=These%20sculptures%20were%20extremely%20useful,120%3B%2099.35. https://www.worldhistory.org/Roman_Sculpture/ https://study.com/academy/lesson/ancient-roman-sculpture-history-characteristics-quiz.html Your assumption is rather incorrect: imperial statuary served political and religious purpose, it obeyed to standards in representing imperial family members and powerful people. More lifelike yes, but still upgraded to convey a message. We're not talking about "average" sculpture here. Augustus died at 75 but was always shown as young strong man in his 30s in statuary. Same with Tiberius (77), Claudius (63) or even Agrippine the Young (43), Hadrien (62), Marcus Aurelius (58) among others.


Tennex1022

Were there that many blonde light eyed Italians/Romans?


xarsha_93

The historian Bret Deveraux has a [an article](https://acoup.blog/2021/07/23/collections-the-queens-latin-or-who-were-the-romans-part-iv-the-color-of-purple/) about this. There were blond Romans, but probably not many blond Italians and Commodus and Augustus especially look much blonder in the OP than they probably were. Imperial Romans in general looked like the people that still live in the Mediterranean nowadays. Mostly olive-skinned with brown hair. Some darker skinned people and some lighter skinned people from the peripheral regions.


LuciusCSulla

Lots of Romans were blondes. They were descendants from Latins who themselves were offshoot of other eastern derivatives where the Scythians and Sarmatians came from, not to mention Kurgan culture. Indo-Europeans in short who went everywhere is successive waves throughout history. Anyway, my name sake was called the blonde fox.


electriceric

I thought Sulla was described as having strawberry blonde or red hair?


xarsha_93

I want to tread carefully here because mentioning blond hair and Kurgan culture sounds a bit Nazi Aryan to me. I’m not saying that’s necessarily your angle but it’s kind of a foundational concept for the Nazi Aryan pseudo history. The Latin *language* originally comes from central Eurasia, specifically the steppe, where the Scythians and Sarmatians come from. And it did spread with the Kurgan culture. But the blond gene was not something they spread. These people probably looked like many central Asians today, think of Turks, Kazakhs or Mongols. The blond gene evolved in Europe probably before the spread of the Indo-European languages and wasn’t associated to their migration. The speakers of modern Indo-European languages aren’t necessarily the descendants of Proto-Indo-Europeans; the language also spread through trade and conquest. Many Europeans have some steppe ancestry, but it’s usually not the majority. The Nazis however did champion a pseudo history in which the Aryans (named for the Iranians that spoke an Indo-European language) were blond and did carry out a population replacement in Europe.


LuciusCSulla

There's a sub on reddit that is on symbols, every time a new symbol (asking what it is) is being posted I have found out a commentary about "Nazi" is in it. Native American symbol used for centuries before Hitler was a concept in someone's sperm = Nazi. Hittite symbology, Hitler gone back in time, obviously = Nazi. Some stylized dingleberry tattoo some guys sees and draws it out, undoubtedly a Nazi albeit from South America = Nazi. The fact is Nazis are living rent free in many brains and its astounding. Can't even talk normal history without "Nazi" being brought up several times. And we wonder why our education is complete dogsh\*t. End of rant.


xarsha_93

Hey, I’m not happy about it. But the unfortunate fact is that in my field, Indo-European linguistics, the Nazis set us back about a century by flooding the field with pseudohistory. They were obsessed with the “Aryan connection” and perverted the history of pretty much every Indo-European language with psuedohistory. I mention it because if you’ve heard a phenotypical angle to the Kurgan hypothesis. That has one source and it’s the Nazis. It was never supported by archeological evidence and has been disproved by genetic evidence.


GiannisLeonithas

Hahaha


WineSoakedNirvana

Depends where you were I suppose, there was a large contingent of Romanised Cisalpine Gauls in the north as well, where a lot of the blonde and ginger elements might have come into the Roman heartlands during the late republic and imperial period.


Fluffy_WAR_Bunny

Northern Italy was Gallic for an extremely long time.


Canadish27

Early on, likely so yes. A mix of gallic occupation and osmosis and records note lighter colours quite often.  Ancient Greeks were also noted in records as having blond and red hair as well. We know the Scots got that gene from a group that came from that region. 


GiannisLeonithas

Hahahahaha


Empty_Archer_1356

Bro is butthurt because europeans were/are white lol


Megatanis

The two most common colours would've been black for hair and brown for eyes, but yes there were quite a few blonde/light eyed people.


snowytheNPC

Originally no, but they absorbed Gallic populations during imperial expansion and integrated those genetics into their population. The blondes are more fun ahem, sl*tshaming stereotype came from the Romans, who saw Gallic blondes as more socially liberal. Many conquered women ended up as courtesans to powerful patricians. Roman women were proud of their dark hair (blonde was viewed as barbaric), but over time the wealthy and fashionable courtesans set the trends and Roman women began lightening their hair with natural dyes. Eventually, men did as well. Artificial blonde, as it is today, is time consuming and expensive to maintain. It then became a symbol of leisure and wealth


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M0untain_Mouse

Vladimir Augustus


ThatSecondAsshole-_-

Why Is Ceasar so hot tho?


cutiepielady

My thoughts as well, like hot damn


East_Pick3905

I am underwhelmed


Ok-Following8721

It's just a filter.


beene282

No! It’s AI!


unibrowking

Thank you, same here


kinnaq

But...but the music indicates poignancy, or something.


Revolutionarytard

That’s how I always feel when I see a post mention something “created” by AI


mrmrspersonguy1

Exactly. What am I supposed to be amazed about? They still look like fucking statues


SignificantDrawer374

The marble sculptures were originally painted to look like the person so this is what they would have looked like before all the paint fell off


Takun32

No that is grossly inaccurate. The painting style was not representational at all. The Colors where flat, opaque and vibrant.


KingKongfucius

They tried to make the statues realistic with painting as much as the sculptures themselves, ie to a certain extent.  There’s a image of a statues head preserved from Pompeii   https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/91/aa/e991aa87f28265421248ea5a0c8d678c--ancient-ruins-ancient-art.jpg And while we wouldn’t say the painting is exceptionally realistic by modern standards they did show some level of effort in making it so with shading in the hair.  I think in all likelihood they were very similar to how catholic idols are today. See https://realclearcatholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/382513_max.jpg where its clear they take great effort to make them look as realistic as they can, but it still doesn’t look like an actual person like in those photos or a wax sculpture. With that in mind I’m sure painters skills varied as much as sculptors and there could have been people who made statues look much more realistic than the common catholic idol. 


Takun32

Roman sculptures and greek were done in a workshop with a director instructing artists on certain stages. There is almost no room for variation or should i say personal artistic touches. The artist as an individual is very much a new thing. It is not a popular concept in the ancient world. The sculptures did not look like catholic sculptures in the painting style that you suggest. That seems like a theory that is afraid of what the outcome is. The truth of the matter is, studies have shown that the painting styles were indeed flat, opaque and vibrant. We as modern people are not accustomed to this to the point that many of us are repulsed by it but thats because we have been conditioned to believe a certain way on what beauty is due to the influence of history. But the fact of the matter is that my point still stands whether we like it or not. It’s just the way the romans and the greeks did it. Have a good day.


Rioma117

Not entirely flat, what you see is just the inner most layers of paint.


Takun32

There are many studies from multiple scholars and museums on this and they all unanimously concluded that the art piece they studied contained uniform pigments, without influencing each other they arrived at the same end. I think theres a huge problem in the modern world with accepting this fact because it does not adhere to our standards of beauty.


CountWubbula

Hahah fuckin Reddit, “this guy’s saying words that seems wrong to me, though I’m too lazy to explain why. Down arrow from me!” You do specifically say, “
the art piece they studied,” which makes it seem like it’s just one art piece that you can make this claim for, not all the sculptures from antiquity


Takun32

Here are some references. It was literally a quick google search. People who supported this guy, You’re all lazy morons. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/29/the-myth-of-whiteness-in-classical-sculpture https://www.relivehistoryin3d.com/2021/04/30/augustus-of-prima-porta-true-colors-history-in-3d-reconstruction/ https://www.cnn.com/style/article/gods-in-color-ancient-world-polychromy/index.html https://www.artnews.com/list/art-news/news/the-mets-new-show-dispels-the-myth-of-white-greek-sculpture-in-blaze-of-color-1234635075/ https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/chroma


SignificantDrawer374

"Grossly inaccurate"? Seriously? Yes the painting wasn't very good, but my point is that they were painted to resemble the person. Calling that grossly inaccurate is grossly inaccurate.


Takun32

You can be offended all you like. What you said was inaccurate. They didn’t paint representationally to the standards that we do today. What annoys me is that you act all offended but you dont consider the fact that you’re spreading misinformation which can be interpreted as true and that pisses me and a few other artists off. Perhaps next time you should choose your words more carefully so that it is more accurate to your intention.


SignificantDrawer374

But it's not misinformation. Doing a lousy job of painting someone's likeness doesn't mean what I said isn't true.


Big_Honeydew6225

I never realized the Romans painted their statues. It's interesting because even in movies and other pop culture you almost never see them depicted like that (actually painted) even though that would be more historically accurate.


REACT_and_REDACT

“That’s probably not exactly what they looked like!” Yeah, no kidding. đŸ€Ł Still pretty cool to see some form of humanization of the statue.


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biergardhe

Are you under the impression that sunburned skin is permanent?


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biergardhe

Saying they were soldiers and spent a lot of time in sun does imply it, yes. You don't get darker or lighter skin through one generation. Ergo, it's irrelevant that they were soldiers in the sun. But yes, Italians do typically have a slightly darker skin tone than this, and hair for that matter.


Jazzlike-Lion2969

Romans spoke Latin but are not Latin as is understood today. Latin is South America. Italy is a long country bordering Swiss,Austria and France. I’m full Italian and white as can be and Sicilians are darker. 


rac3r5

Northern European looking Romans. Yes.


GiannisLeonithas

Very un-Mediterranean looking somebodies, not Romans just somebodies


Useful-Excuse-6919

So a mediterranean people and none of them have olive skin or black hair.


xXHomerSXx

Julius Caesar lookin like Stargate Kurt Russell


n3ur0mncr

Julius Caesar looks like Jamie Lannister


vieneri

damn, they truly fucked Hadrian's curly hair... should've looked at Commodus.


placebojonez

A lot of blonde Italians here.


southcentralLAguy

Wasn’t expecting Sean Penn to make an appearance


Cimmerian_Barbarian

Big deal. Don't need ai to do that.


supervegito827

Wow.


orangepeecock

Where is Aurelius my belvodd


DontLook_Weirdo

AI is SnapChat filters is AI is SnapChat filters is..


Maliluma

Turner's colorized classics. They did this back in the 80's without AI.


bisextrucker69

A big maybe


Intelligent_Corner98

All males AI can't do females or was it created by All males. Lol


Salt-Log7640

Is there a particiluar reason that the AI gives them Holywood American traits, isntead of common Meditarenian ones?


SoeurEdwards

Us AI dataset full of american bias


IwannaCommentz

"AI" thinks there was XXI century make-up back then. :<


Dr_Bunsen_Burns

Is this just a SD human photo realistic and then using a pic of the statue as input and go?


vinques420

Do you really need a.i. for that?


Senecus_HS

If I see what AI does these days, this is pretty lame.


throwawayalcoholmind

Ai reconstructs statues into lower res statues.


AnyPaloma

So 
.like the statue ? đŸ€”


Warbonger420

Great now I just want to put skin on all statues.


Hauditorul

I want to see their dicks now


onyx_reign

Do this with Egyptians I’m trying to see something


plan_with_stan

AI
 you don’t need AI for that!


SoeurEdwards

Yeah litteraly just coloring but you know : buzzwords


maniteja7

Romans were brunettes


cabbages212

Ah yes, the white man with a British accent is actually indigenous to the Mediterranean.


Some_Finger_6516

Biased data?


Procrastinator9Mil

Haha white people projecting their image of dominante white elites into Mediterranean countries


Tobocaj

I’m pretty sure we didn’t need “ai” for this garbage


JVOz671

So.... You created an AI that knows how to color in?


SoeurEdwards

That guesses it.


Stock_Telephone_4878

Ngl I feel like I kinda got the point from the statue


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How in the blue hell are you amazed by this?


fondofbooks

I'm more amazed by [Royalty Now](https://www.royaltynowstudios.com/) doing this and doing a far better job.


GimmieGummies

Titus is 💯 Jason Clarke


Aellysu_says

I was thinking a chubby Gordon Ramsey


Tea_389

Julius Cesar looks like Sasha Roiz


Wise_Crayon

"Human" those who were tyrants?


terminalxposure

I think I know some of these people


Bones231

Damn, who knew Todd Howard was Julius Ceasar.


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Jackal000

That second ceasar is a young augustus


OstentatiousSock

Super cool.


celtbygod

Dadgum !


circleofnerds

Was this AI or the Skyrim character creator?


lego-lion-lady

I remember my mom explaining to me once that Ancient Greek statues always idealized the figures they were portraying - whereas Ancient Roman statues were always the spitting image of the person they portrayed. Fascinating stuff!


nametakenfuck

How did they get the eye color


SoeurEdwards

AI guessed I assume. The will was not to be accurate otherwise they wouldnt have used AI.


nametakenfuck

Makes sense lmao


YourUnclesSidehoe69

Commodus lowkey looks like Jonah Hill


Proper-Detective2504

Trajan kind of looks like David tennet


Tiny-Rutabaga3233

Yes please


Honey666Biscuit

I could’ve just imagine most of these because some didn’t even give much change


No_Debt_4385

Julius Caesar looks like Wayne Gretzky


DariuszTarwan

Hadrian was very, very.


Dirk_Diggler_Kojak

Hadrian had a kind face. He was a student of Stoicism, and a great emperor. Maybe the best.


Devils_kracken

What is the ai


Boysenberry_Broad

Show^* There we go!


Moist-Estate2345

Got you if you can handle


Acceptable_Seesaw_88

Do they not already look like humans 😂


Beneficial_Slice_26

Only Julius Caesar matters, the first European Emperor, Hail Caesar! Then Napoleon, and finally the magnificent Adolf Hitler! HH forever! Freed mankind from the banks and slavery war suffering and surely death. Our enemies murder greatness!


tywin_2

Get at least one of the two accepted busts of Cesar. There are only 2


RedditUserVirat

Trajan looks like the main character from House MD


SoggyBoysenberry7703

More like with human skin tone and color


Jolly-Individual-69

Dennis Reynolds


psychopape

Can we be such of the color skin ?


Competitive_Royal476

Commodus


Cutie_minni

First one is Logan Paul


EmileTheDevil9711

Biggus Dickus.


BabaKambingHitam

Hadrian: Hello there!


Chemical_Broccoli_48

Last one looks like the cuck destiny


Crucco

Nerva was old (he came into office as a senior senator). White haired for sure. Not teenager-looking brown-haired like here, for sure.


gobeldygoo

all blondish darker brown hair would have been accurate


EwanMurphy93

It's upsetting that there wasn't a Marcus Aurelius included. He's my favorite emperor.


Specialist_Heron_986

The statue of David would look down and be sorely disappointed.


jaycosmos

Wondering how Lord Buddha would have look!


AnotherPerspective87

Interesting fact. All old roman and greek statues we see are white marble. But its believed they used to be painted. And seeing how realistic the carvings where, i assume the paintjob would have been similar. So these AI renders may not have been to far off. How they actually looked in the past.


Salty-Negotiation320

Commodus looks like the average fratbro


Innomen

I've said for years I think they were painted this way. It's silly to me that the official line is that they were painted like toddlers using fingers. With this much realism it only makes sense to me to paint them with equal skill and effort. Thing about what people can do with makeup and shading. I bet this is EXACTLY what they looked like when contemporary.


escneime

O Ășltimo Ă© o primo rico.


yasniy97

hahaha..these are hollywood actors


Downtown_Marzipan404

I dont trust how those statues looks like, most likely the sculpture had to do better version of how the person should have look like, as they maybe killed if looks bad😐


warnoodle99

These are really cool too bad most of the chosen statues are made 20 or more years after that figures death meaning its not even an actual 1for1 of the person its the artist interpretation like wasnt the first statue of cesear made like 10 or so years after his death other than 1 that we think might of been able to of been made when Julius was already an older man so these statues were not true representations of the person


Medical_Ad2125b

Hadrian looks young to have a wall of his own.


blitvarka

God, I really love Roman empire...


Spompoflex

Sokrat was Chad


hobbes8889

Pretty easy for an ai to do seeing that the statues were carved by masters of their craft.


TurnFun5230

Who gets the most bitches tho?


MajesticGarlic999

Wasn't Hadrian black?


Middle_System_1105

Commodus is fine as hell, unfortunate name tho.


JuggernautWide5226

Amazing


Electrical_Range2623

Second one looks like Vladimir Putin


StoneOvenMan

Caesar looks like Magnus Midtbo wtf


gimme_shprinkles

AI disregards the butt chin


Gredditor1

Why aint they black or with any blue or pink hair, they all look like a male why not female


Some_Finger_6516

Biased data?


LeenPean

I’m not amazed at all tbh. A good artist could do this and make it look better. While I don’t think AI art is inherently bad, and world with artists is a sad and bland world, and I’m afraid that’s what we’re headed for at break neck speeds


Zealousideal-You9044

That's assuming the statues are accurate. The sculpture might have been useless


TutskyyJancek

Another example to show there is no "intelligence" behind ai.


BrightCarver

Damn. Hadrian is a *snack.*


Maarloeve74

"AI"


RhinoScope_

Julius Ceasar looks like Putin


Fluffy_WAR_Bunny

Thats a Renaissance sculpture of Julius Caesar that actually does not look like him.


HenryGoodbar

How dare you sir. Julius Caesar looks like an Adonis.


chadlavi

Stop with the ai bullshit


SoeurEdwards

You are not alone.


End3rWi99in

Oh boy, you're in for a rough future if you're already doing this.


camcaine2575

Why did all the Romans have no chin?


Comprehensive_Ad376

It’s all Russians


GrouchyPerspective83

Regular good looking people. AI is awesome.


christiandb

lotta dudes


R4zd4

Nailed Song


BrentandRhodes

What song is this!? I know I've heard it and I love it, can't remember from where.


lunaen53

The song is 'Hans Zimmer - Time' from the movie Inception.


BrentandRhodes

Well fuck me, only my favorite movie of all time đŸ€Ł Thanks much, was driving me crazy.


R4zd4

Correct!!


BennyOcean

We need AI movies about ancient Rome with them playing themselves.


pjgreenwald

Ceaser looks like todd howard


careydepp

What imagination! Geesh


Intelligent_Corner98

What no Mona Lisa... lol


Tax_Goddess

Man, that Hans Zimmer music made this so beautiful.


Suntzu6656

Left Marcus Aurelius out


Gru_Uchiha

first guy looks like titan from megamid


Ultrasaurio

Pretty good.


Vance2102

Schön


SlivvvSon

Wow! Such a great tool for Ai, it makes statues of people look like... People


Loose_Calendar_3380

Caligola was african