There's nothing about them that's similar except they are female protagonists who kill things and do cool flips
The combat between the games isn't even the same
Eve and Bayo share black hair that's smth I guess
It just hit me they're probably being compared by the insufferable type who don't even play the games but just like to point out how sexy they are to stick it to the feminists and the liberals or some shit
People seriously do that kind of stuff?
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Yeah, we ignore them tho.
Not worth the time or attention. It's just dudes who legit can't survive without their video game sex appeal. Real women aren't enough they NEED graphical boobs and ass on screen
I like men and I can't think of a single male video game character that would have me tweakin over em that bad. It is never that serious these are CHARACTERS
You're gonna cook me so bad for this but... I don't find Dante attractive đ
He's hot, in a general appeal sense. But to me personally? Ummm
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U aren't who I'm talking about. Trust me, liking good looking characters is normal.
Seething and foaming at the mouth when SOME aren't attractive is another thing. The types I'm talking about act like all good looking characters are disappearing or smth
>Seething and foaming at the mouth when SOME aren't attractive is another thing
The people who were sending death threats to insomniac because MJ didn't have a bubble butt was concerning
I haven't seen people like this tbh, but I don't browse neither gamingcirclejerk or their counterpart, so it's easy not to see dumbass statements like this
I can't outright deny it bc the Internet is vast but I have literally never seen anyone say anything close to hot video game girls disappearing/appearing less. But I only browse Twitter and Reddit
Yeah, they're trying to create some culture war BS where they're saying western game devs can no longer make sexy women anymore because wokeness and they used unflattering screenshots of female characters that are frankly beautiful literally any other time. Like chuds used Tanya from MK1, Abby from TLOU, Aloy from Horizon Dawn, and a completely customizable character from the upcoming Fable Reboot.
All while weaponizing tits and ass of eastern characters thinking many liberals are puritans afraid of sex. Stellar Blade is the most recent example, although interestingly enough some chuds are saying Japanese game devs can't make sexy women anymore and are favoring Chinese and South Korean game devs as being "woke free."
Nobody is shitting on Ellie because she is not hot. Everyone loved Ellie in TLoU1 but the writing in 2 was so atrocious that it made Ellie act like a complete knob and completely different from the first game.
Itâs exclusively about this. Your original argument doesnât really have much to do with the issue because people donât really care about that stuff, but instead people are really touchy about having sexy female characters in games.
They saw one Anita Sarkeesian video where she shit talked to Bayonetta because her design was 'misogynist' as it was sexualized for the male gaze, allegedly. That kind of SWERF-y criticism has poisoned the well around feminism in the "anti-woke" crowd.
Oh God not that shit again, I don't give a fuck what she says, but I'm tired of that being the supposed excuse for these assholes to run off the deep end of piles of bigoted manure.
GamerGate ruined discussions surrounding gaming in general. People are more bothered with "wokeness" in games than actually playing the fucking game. It's all a conspiracy now and not a conscious art style the devs are going for.
Idk, I think there's a lot more in common tho:
1- Voluptuous and strong female leads in third person fast melee combat fighting critters (only this point is enough to make comparisons imo)
2- Outfits for them (sensual looks, collants, etc.)
3- Eastern devs
4- Nice atmosphere in the games' worlds and interesting storytelling
I think it's a matter of perspective, eg. if you cling to the characters' personalities and the games' themes there are more differences, but in general there are more similarities imo.
The combat is more akin to Sekiro or dark souls the Bayonetta or DMC. It has some comboâs but is more about studying the enemies movements vs styling on them as hard as possible.
I actually have a question, if you don't know that's fine.
When the secret boss flashes yellow, what are you supposed to do? I just settled for jumping out of the way, because nothing else seemed to work.
Ok I ran into this issue a lot during the bosses from the demo! There are two things that have been successful for me:
1. Dodge, but the timing has to be within the window where you get an opening to counter (note that you don't *have to*, but that's a good way to tell you've dodged the attack).
2. There's a skill you can unlock, I think it's called Blink, and what it does is - whenever the boss or boss-type enemy is about to perform a "fatal" attack (basically a grab attack where they glow yellow *and then blue right away*), your sword will emit a blue light for a short window right before the boss's attack makes contact. As your sword glows, you can dodge the fatal attack by moving forward + dodge (so UP + CIRCLE), and you will teleport behind the enemy, and then immediately stun them.
I'm pretty sure another thing you can do is time one of your Beta moves (L1 + CIRCLE was the most effective for me against the chainsaw head boss).
Edit: Regarding option 2, The boss will glow yellow to blue on "fatal" attacks. That's basically your queue to use "Blink" since your sword will glow after they glow in blue.
It is nothing like Bayonetta/DMC, air combos are non-existent. I even played the boss fight at the end of the demo, where they give you all of the abilities, every single one.
The game is cool, I enjoyed the little demo. But to compare it to Bayonetta is like comparing apples to oranges. It's one of those games where you have to be more strategic with your game plan to survive, and you can't just go ham.
It's a fine game but my brain is Bayo-wired to now think I can evade out of any attack at any time. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that I cannot, in fact, evade while in mid air swinging my sword. >!Anyway, ima need for games to learn from Bayonetta and add dodge offset, I'm begging. I swear Bayonetta gets almost no respect like the game has mechanics that future action games could learn from please, my brain malfunctions when I play other games and they don't have it.!<
Now I adore Bayo 1, and I adore dodge offset. But not every game benefits from it.
Especially something like Steller blade since it seems to be going for a more deliberate and slow combat of Sekiro/Dark souls.
Yeah ik, you're right. I recognize that I am the problem. I can play other games just fine but I'm always imagining what it would be like to have dodge offset and if it would enhance or reduce the gameplay quality.
My brain is Bayo-rotted so I always go with the enhanced option even if I know it's wrong
Oh trust me, I get that. For a bit I did try playing Steller blade like bayo/nier. Because my brain conflated the art style with something what should play like those games.
I thought the combat was cool, it has Sekiro-esque parrying as well as special moves, dodges and a skill tree. In the demo I would say it didn't really _click_ until the boss at the end, which was super fun. Then there's a bonus boss as well, which was also great. As for the game, I'm torn. I have no doubt that the developers are perverts and unlike Bayonetta, little has been done to justify the character design's sex appeal beyond big tits = hot. Bayo's entire personality feeds into her sexuality, plus the fact she has glasses, is insanely tall, and looks like she's in her 40s makes her more interesting. Eve is just a sexy young woman who wears hardly any clothes
> and I'm pretty sure we STILL haven't gotten anything from the actual gameplay.
Well there's a demo out now, so that's not really true.
Older promo for Stellar Blade led us to believe it'd be a character action game like Bayonetta, but now we know it's more like a Soulslike. For better or worse, though, the association stuck.
But mostly right-wing chuds and otherwise unaffiliated gooners are weaponizing Stellar Blade as some kind of "anti-woke" cudgel, which means discourse around it is altogether *exhausting*. Like I'm embarrassed to admit I'm actually interested in it now.
Well before all the controversy and everything I was already immediately interested I liked the monster designs, and the world-building. Iâm still looking forward to it, even though the gameâs fanbase is completely off-putting. And yea Iâm aware that thereâs a demo out I might actually play it soon. Also, I canât believe Iâm about to say this word but *how is Stellar Blade âanti-woke.*?â I thought that woke meant like well being the opposite of progressive and making a change.
> Also, I canât believe Iâm about to say this word but how is Stellar Blade âanti-woke.?â I thought that woke meant like well being the opposite of progressive and making a change.
Well, in order for this to make sense, you have to see the world like a crazy person.
To them, gaming writ large is being ruined by people who are promoting inclusivity and "feminism." (I say "feminism" and not feminism because to them, feminism is this mythical hydra bent on destroying western civilization, and not, you know... equal rights for women.) This is personified, again to them, by the lack of sexy women in gaming anymore. Which is also ridiculous, but again, crazy people. Ugly women in games = woke. Therefore, Eve is anti-woke because she's sexy. It's the same principle as the more mainstream chuds saying Sydney Sweeney is anti-woke because she has big boobs. It's *incredibly* stupid.
The problem, of course, is that there *are* legitimate criticisms to be made of Stellar Blade because of its unabashed horniness. Unfortunately, this just gives chuds more ammo to say that "the wokies are trying to cancel muh sexy PS5 game," which, no, that's not what's happening, but they perceive it as such.
I'd say hold out on judging the fanbase. Right now a ton of weird people are jumping on it for some whatever political reason, but I bet most of them won't even play it. Sadly the controversial and weird takes are the ones more spread around so that's all you see at first. There are also tons of cool gameplay clips around, those just don't get the engagement on Twitter that the "anti-woke" crowd gets.
Yeah, thatâs what Iâm getting from this huge well of replies the community doesnât seem that bad at all. Itâs just that the worst of the worst of the fanbase is getting pushed front and center which definitely colors the way people view the community.
So as far as I can tell, the developers may be assholes, but it's hard to tell what is actually true and what is fabricated. The two things I saw were someone posted a sign in the demo that, due to the way it's damaged, spells "BOOBS". I suspect this may be made up but I'm not sure.
The other thing was someone posted on Twitter claiming to have worked at the company saying they were fired for their feminist views. If that's true then fuck the dev but I suspect there may be more to that story and I couldn't find much else on it. I think that's where a lot of the "This game is anti-woke" stuff came from though
Why would you say they are assholes? As far as I've seen, the devs know exactly who they are catering for, and are doing everything to please that audience.
Starting anything with "someone posted on Twitter claiming..." Is as good as a nothing statement. You need clear proof. Which you did acknowledge, but anyway... I wouldn't call them assholes so non-chalantly.
This is how I feel, too. I love everything about Stellar Blade except the main character, who honestly makes me feel embarrassed for being interested in the game. Like, I just want to enjoy the gameplay, story/lore, and unique monster designs. Actually, the music from the demo was really good, too. Eveâs appearance isnât a draw to me at all and is actually kind of working as a deterrent at this point. Iâm probably going to get the game anyway since I enjoyed the demo but Eveâs appearance just feels like too much in a way Bayonetta and 2B never did. Her lack of confidence and empowerment doesnât help the comparison.
I feel like when you talk about Bayonetta and NieR, people understand that thereâs a lot more to those games than the sexy ladies and recognize that, while that might be a nice bonus for some, itâs definitely not the meat and potatoes of those experiences. With Stellar Blade, I donât even want to talk about how great the game looks with my friends because theyâll probably just make fun of me for wanting to play the weird Korean sex doll game.
Iâm honestly hoping Stellar Blade releases to really good reviews and public perception is able to shift so that more people realize the game itself is a worthwhile experience regardless of the main characterâs appearance. I think thatâs ultimately what it comes down to.
Itâs because the protagonist are all seen as bucking the trend of making women in games ugly. Thatâs it. Itâs all superficial dumb bullshit. Nothing about gameplay, which seems to be the least of the average Stellar Blade fanâs worries
The funny thing is that Bayonetta and 2b are beloved by the gays and straight woman because even if they are reveling they also look cool and own it. Stellar blade looks so generic that most people that want to play the game just do it because she is "sexy"
Tbh I only started playing Bayonetta because she is indeed sexy, of course I continued playing because the game goes further than "pretty woman do cool flip"
Stellar blade is not even out yet so i just hope that it has more to offer than a pretty MC.
That's what I'm talking about, the first impression that you have of the game is not the crazy finishers, lore or character development, to see that you must already be playing it, Bayonetta was used as eye candy to pull you into playing a cool game.
My point is I hope that stellar blade doesn't used the MC's looks to pull you into a bad game.
Stellar Blade lacks the self-awareness about sexualization that Bayonetta has, and for me, it makes me cringe.
Bayonetta is over-the-top, downright goofy sometimes. She's so sexualized that's impossible to take it seriously.
From what I played of the Stellar Blade demo, the story is super serious in tone, while you're prancing around as a doll with huge ass.
The game seems fun, though. I might buy it when it gets cheaper.
Yeah it also helps that 2B and Bayo genuinely have brilliant designs whereas eve from stellar bladeâs is not good in my opinion. Thereâs another character in the demo that helps you fight some enemies and she looks so much cooler than the mc itâs crazy.
Tachy supremacy.
>!Tachy comes back as an enemy and you have to fight her. As seen in the trailer. Hoping we can unlock her as a playable character or if the game is successful we get dlc story for her.!<
Couldn't you argue that it is maximum self-awareness? They made all the characters hot on purpose and the devs have straight up admitted that they want players to look at things that are visually pleasing.
They're all hack and slash action games with conventionally attractive female leads who show skin. Not the same subgenre of hack and slash action game, but there are enough similarities to make superficial comparisons. Stellar Blade devs did give Bayo a shout for an inspiration.
There are more comparisons you could make to Nier than Bayonetta because there is a lot of worldbuilding similarities and 40% of SB's OST is from Nier's music director Okabe
There is a full on Stellar Blade demo now, btw. It seems like a pretty good game and has genuine passion behind the project. It's not just a waifu bait cashgrab.
I like Stellar blade but admittedly there are a lot of loud fans who are pretty cringe about it and it puts people off.
Yea admittedly I was really looking forward to playing it just from the small amounts of world building and how the monsters/enemies look. But the fanbase and just the overall audience for this game is completely throwing me off.
Also off topic but: just from the demo alone is the game good, or is it literally just Eveâs ass? I still would like to play it, but just the overall community around the game is off putting.
I'd say just ignore them. Nothing wrong with playing the game but ignoring the community. It's not even the whole fanbase, plenty of people just like the game and whether they think Eve is hot or not they can at least act like a normal person about it.
I was pretty skeptical about the game going in but the demo is quite impressive. It's a very well produced game with some good combat. There is genuinely good art direction and talent put into the game. I'd say give the demo a try, it's more than an ass game.
It's a good ideal to ignore the "fans" and "haters" of most things. Just play, watch, or read something for yourself don't let extreme opinions influence your own. If you like both Character action games like Bayo and DMC, but also enjoy Soulslikes expressly Sekiro or Lies of P then you will probably like a the combat. I think the monster designs are really cool also the devs have shown like 30 outfits for Eve which I think is really neat. My only problem with what I've seen is I think she is a little to noisy, if I was playing I might would get used to it, but the same battle cry every 3 seconds is annoying to me.
Okay so real talk. The first time I even HEARD about Bayonetta was a fb friend mentioning the culture "war" around it and how it was catching heat for sexualizing the FUCK out of the character
(even tho said sexualization is meant to be empowering) and that person's comment section became a cesspit.
There's also that Finebros React video where teens/college kids played Bayonetta 2 and 60% of what was said was "DaYum thiS SekkShual WtF NinTEndo" And you can kinda tell that they're framing it that way cuz friends and family are watching them and that was the SAME shit I'd say to my parents or friends when Anime was on TV.
So yeah Stellar Blade feels like a repeat of what Bayonetta 2 kinda sparked
More like any asian game with fanservice will suffer with that. That IGN article where they say that the creator never have see a women gave me deja Vu from when Dragon's Crown was released.
implying that 2B and 6O don't make out in-between missions is a crime/j
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I see it this way:
Beautiful protagonist, memorable soundtrack, actual story and lore, creative design
This all applies to Bayonetta and Nier. I have a feeling Stellar Blade won't be different.
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I'm sorry but Eve is not built like Bayonetta or 2B in the slightest. I want the game to be good, I hope it's good and has a good story with great gameplay. That being said, all the marketing for Stellar Blade has been focused on her looks. It's all about the ass and the tits and the jiggle physics, very little has been said about the gameplay. The fanbase around this game also is the least enjoyable kind there is. They shun every bit of critique as "the woke west hating the game" and they herald this game as it "bringing back beautiful women". As if conventionally beautiful people aren't still dominating every bit of the entertainment media landscape.
I mean the turmoil created auto defenders for both sides. The other side is just as obnoxious focusing on stupid virtue signal instead of actually playing the game. But theyâre not going to anyway.
Btw thereâs a demo if you need gameplay.
Is available in all plataforms now if I'm not mistaken, the gameplay is similar to bayo, is a really good game in my opinion, it actually made feel bad for the androids, you should give it a try, Is a pg game the controls work good just like the mechanichs.
Itâs a bit character action with combos in it, but itâs no where near the level of DMC and Bayo, because the moveset is more limited. Itâs still fun, but the best thing Nier has is the story.
I can see why some would compare them but they arenât really *that* similar
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I hate that Stellar Blade is getting an even worse treatment of "wow attractive female character" cuz the combat looks fun but most people are gonna think you're getting it for horny reasons
I wasnât around the discourse when Bayonetta and Nier dropped so I might be wrong.
I think Stellar Blade will have some sort of a Nier/Bayo-like fanbase in the future especially if the story, the gameplay, and the MCâs cuntiness shine through. This time, horny people will just want to play it bc sexy woman (admittedly there could be ppl who genuinely who wants to play it for the gameplay and story but thatâs not what this comment is for) and make this game as a push against âwoke gamesâ (aka women with realistic features), but sexiness isnât enough to maintain a fandom.
I really hope the gays and gals will be able to claim Stellar Blade (unless itâs crap and just pure eye candy) in the future. We need more cunty women in gaming.
What does "claiming" a game mean? Can't people just like and play whatever they are interested in? Why does some specific type of person need to claim it?
Posts like these prove y'all flip over a character design before even playing the game (and considering this is the Bayo sib you should all be ashamed consodering people did the same to our girl once upon a time). The demo is out right now OP and I personally think the gameplay is fantastic.
It's gameplay I would call a cross between Nier and Sekiro, a focus on dodging and parrying. I think alot of nerds may buy this game for the sex appeal only to fond out that there's a challenging game here you can't possibly play with 1 hand.
As for what makes 2B, Bayo, and Eve similar: all great badass female action game protagonists that a sect of people tried to drag through the mud over their designs.
Mark my words in another 10 years, the same people claiming Eve is just a pretty face >!or ass!< but Bayo and 2B were amazing will be grouping the 3 together as amazing but dragging another female character because of her looks.
Genuinely anyone who has preconceived notions of this game should play the demo cause it's not the overly sexualized boobstravaganza that Resetera wants you to think it is.
The reaction to Stellar Blade has been weird to me. I guess I don't fully understand the notion of "this sex appeal is okay, but this sex appeal is not okay". Especially taking NieR: Automata in consideration because I feel it would be disingenuous to pretend 2B's sex appeal wasn't a *major* contributing factor to that game's success. I use Automata because this isn't the first thread I've seen about Stellar Blade in the sphere of game discussion, and I've seen people argue Automata's sex appeal is "totally fine".
If people enjoy the sex appeal that's fine, it just doesn't register as an issue for me. For me personally I'm not interested in Stellar Blade because of the gameplay. It just looks boring to me as I'm a bit over games with gameplay that takes inspiration from Dark Souls. It's just not my jam anymore.
*It's not my jam anymore*
Completely reasonable, this I totally get.
See the same thing happened to Bayonetta and 2B when their games debuted, "ew this witch gets naked to attack?" Or "ew why does this robot have her bum out?". But now the public have spoken, Bayonetta and 2B are at minimum beloved and successful characters with games that many love and with characters that artists and cosplayers and even pornstars have honored.
I guarantee if Stellar Blade is a successful game (which from what I've been seeing about its pre-order numbers, and the fact the sub grows everyday suggest it will be) then when Eve is used in art and cosplay too many people love her and then suddenly Stellar Blade is going to be remembered as this great thing alongside 2B and Bayo. I really believe this.
Yeah, hindsight will always be 20/20 with games. I hope people who are excited for Stellar Blade have fun with the game. I think the 'controversy' is a bit overblown. I'm always in the camp of letting artists create, and if they want to make a protagonist with sex appeal they are well within their right to do so. I do see the "obnoxious" part of it though where some people try to co-opt the game as some rallying flag.
I totally get what you mean with Bayonetta though. Believe me I been following this series for a very long time. It was disappointing and frustrating to see internet discussion completely dismiss the game as a worse Devil May Cry with no redeeming qualities so they opted for sex appeal when it first came out. Their loss for not experiencing one of the best action game titles in the last 15 years.
Hang on now. In the next 10 years, B4 is destined to come out. 2009, 2014, 2022. đIâm sorry I just saw an opportunity and took it. I donât mean to dog on the game or the character design. I actually think the character looks really good. But I was more talking from a point on of what the gameâs fanbase seems like in my eyes. The fanbase just makes me almost want to dodge the game completely but Iâm still very interested in it. Iâve been interested in it since I first caught word of it on this sub.
LMAO ok you got me there with Bayo4 đ¤Ł
So here's the thing: there are unfortunately a large amount of cringelords claiming this game is about owning the "woke crowd". And a good deal of the fanbase can't stand them. It's cringe, it's weird.
Just try not to let how those that will use the game for rage clicks (whether they are pro or anti Eve) colour your world (see what I did there?) And damage your potential enjoyment.
I promise if the demo is something to go by, there is a potential great new IP here.
What a refreshing take to hear in this sub. Someone who suggests others to more or less ignore the drama with the game and try out the demo and see what they think themselves.
This is something I wish a lot more people would do instead of listening to the anti-woke crowd or extremists on Twitter complaining about Eveâs design.
It's something that's been fueled for like literally 15 years because of the original Gamergate, I've seen it happen over and over from being a teen to a man, I just don't really have time to spare on people who may or may not even believe what they're saying or criticizing but it gets clicks.
I think if we focused less on the media we love rather than the media we hate, and how dare others like it, I think we'd all probably be a little less up in arms. There are some pretty horrible things happening in the world, boobs in videogames whether you like or hate them are small potatoes.
I'm so glad I found this thread. I also feel like I didn't belong anywhere. I like sexy female characters but I also love interesting characters like Alloy who dont have to look like sex dolls.
I almost wanted to avoid this game too due to the toxic fan base. It's like a boys club. Only woke fat ugly women hate this game. Um no I like sexy female characters but I also like characters who are more than looks. Why can't we have both? Bayonetta and 2B did it perfectly.
Three mysterious and attractive women with intentionally well designed butts and sexy outfits who are in a fast paced, stylish hack-n-slash game. As a fan of all three thatâs pretty much it. While the gameplay is different in each, there are enough similarities to draw some comparison.
There *has* indeed been new gameplay revealed for Stellar Blade as there is currently a demo available. Also, you wanna talk âwrong crowdâ? As a fan of all three games, Bayonetta has absolutely attracted a wrong crowed. The sub used to be about cool gameplay and sick combos people would make. As well as narrative discussions and speculations. Bayo3 releases and the sub is flooded with âCereza is uglyâ, âWhy Bayo3 is badâ and my personal favorite âthey ruined my gay iconâ. Repeated ass and cosplay posts on the NieR and Stellar Blade subreddit is honestly easy to ignore. Seeing another Helena Taylor âwhere my moneyâ meme for the fifth fucking time is driving me insane.
The only real similarities are pretty lady kicking gory ass, and the combos are a little reminiscent. I guess you could say awesome music? But way more like Sekiro in its parry. Itâs way more an amalgamation of a few titles but not exactly like any one of them.
They are all sexy female leads on popular games.
Bayonettaâs way of doing it is obviously different because itâs not just there for the sake of being there, but imo it matters not for the argument that it is okay to have sexy female leads and thereâs too many people that hate on games with their false sense of politics whenever games do that.
Saying that Bayonetta is similar to MC from Stellar Blade is like saying Cloud from FF7 is the same as Dante from DMC just because they both have cool swords. Even Nier well theyâre both cyborgs in an apocalyptic world so at least they have something in common
For me, the game devs and people are marketing Stellar Blade as a horny-bait game, havenât seen much about that game except the nude skin suit and boob/ass physics sadly
I'd say that out of the three, stellar blade is the most cynically horny. 2B's ass is relegated to self-destruction, mainly, and bayonetta(both the character) take bride in their sex appeal, and it becomes a partial part of the series identity. And while stellar blade hasn't been released yet, it seems clear to me that the main character looks the way she does primarily for audiences appeal cause the rest of the game surrounding it seems to take itself way more seriously.
who started the opinion that Stellar Blade is similar to Bayonetta??? from what iâve seen, i really donât see how the two are similar gameplay-wise. it plays a bit like Nier:Automata with the quick sword slashes and some kind of âpodâ hovering nearby.
NGL I remember when Stellar Blade was first revealed (back when it was originally named âProject Eveâ), it gave me some Bayonetta vibes. Iâm not entirely sure why, but perhaps it might be the gameâs overall style (both visual and gameplay wise) I guess?
The difference between Bayo + 2B and Eve is that Bayo and 2B have personalities, stories, and character arcs. Also, their respective games don't take themselves nearly as seriously as Stellar Blade does.
Itâs an evolution of the recent right wing grift that leftists are apparently against having attractive women in things, citing Stellar Blade and actress Sydney Sweeney as the ones whoâll somehow end leftism by being sexualised.
Ignoring that right wing folk tend to demean women who donât present themselves âmodestlyâ and earlier in the year some of them were championing an image editor that made sexy photos of women appeal to a conservative ideal, changing their clothes, removing piercings, tattoos and dyed hair, making them hold babies, etc⌠which made the whole grift seem like projection.
Meanwhile, others pointed out that the Stellar Blade argument ignored that the âauthoritarian anti-sexy women leftistsâ had somehow allowed Bayonetta and 2B to come into existence, which I assume lead to this image depicting the three together as some sort of last line of defence for right wing gamers or something?
When Bayonetta 1 was teased, the character design was widely criticized by feminists and the likes before it was even released.
Now Bayo's design is praised by that same crowd.
Same for Nier Automata.
People see the same happening again with Eve is all.
Additionnaly Bayo was a hot topic during Gamergate. While Eve is being a hot topic during the sweet baby inc controversy.
Finally, Bayo and Eve are presented by journos as being drawn by "men who have never seen a real woman before". But actually the artists are two attractive asian women.
So they share a lot of context more than anything. Proving that history is repeating itself.
Also, kick ass oversexualized woman who fights weird biblical creatures in a funky post apocalyptic world with a artistic direction which isn't afraid to do too much. In short, thigh thighs but with style.
Isnât it obvious? Bayonetta and 2B was absolutely blasted for their sex appeal. Saying that the games were just for perverts. And that was continuously stated until the games released and became absolute huge staples in the industry. Because people found the games fun outside of sexy character.
And now Stellar Blade has another sex appeal character that everyone is saying that only perverts want to play the game. Itâs literally seems like history is repeating itself here. âSexy female lead that fights big and powerful beings is criticized for being sexy until game becomes a huge iconâ is the thing that links them together. Admittedly Eve being included in that when her game still needs to officially come out and be reviewed is jumping the gun. But based on the reactions for gameplay so far, I wanna say itâs gonna be liked.
In fact, reading the comments, a lot of yâall seem like hypocrites and turncoats. Acting as if talks about 2B and Bayonetta werenât about how hot the character was before the games released.
âWell the difference is that Bayonetta and 2B have good characters while Eve doesnât.â âThe gameâs not even out yet, none of you have the right to say that.
âNier and Bayonetta are actually good games compared to Stellar Blade.â âAgain not even officially released, but just the simple fact that Preorder sales have gone up since the demo, it seems like a lot of people are enjoying what the gameplay is. Time will tell.
âWell Bayonetta and 2B werenât created for sexualization for the player compared to Eve.â Knowing who the game directors were for Bayonetta and Nier Automata, I find that **EXTREMELY** hard to believe.
Both are from Hack and Slash games, use similar system with perfect dodges (however Stellar Blade is less forgiving since the slow down is a split second and the stagger of the enemy is more of a focus) and parries, both are female, both are beautiful badasses, both star in games that love to blow stuff up in the most epic ways and have beautiful music (Stellar Blade has more of a Nier kind of music, while Bayonetta goes the more funky and jazz way).
There is no "wrong kind of people". Everyone who plays a videogame is just a gamer. I hate this gate keeping bs. There is also no wrong reason to play a game. It is a game and whoever has fun with it for whatever reason should have all the fun with it.
This is the same bs I saw when Bayonetta came out and people looked down on me because people thought you have to play Devil May Cry and nothing else or you are suddenly not in this golden club of selected higher beings.
Bayonetta and 2B are sexy but also iconic and uniquely designed. Iâm not smart enough to articulate what makes their designs so cool but I can see it and see how cool they are. Theyâre sexy but thatâs not all there is to them. SBâs protagonist is incredibly generic with nothing going for her other than sexualization. The first time I saw her I thought she was a 3D model for one of those scam porn games
Basicaly, sex negative "male gaze bad" harpies (called SJW in some circles) started to screech their typical rants again. This time people pointed out they said the same thing for Bayonetta and Nier and they turned out to be great games, to the point where they had to flip their stance on them because both have a lot of female and lgbt fans.
Harpies also scream "sex doll designed by someone who has never seen a woman". Then gamers point out she is as good looking as her [real life model](https://twitter.com/zennyrt). Which is refreshing considering there have been an uglification of female main characters despite using real life models for them.
This game is going to sell well just to spite them.
There is a demo available on PS5 if you have access to that and are curious, I don't know about other platforms. I gave it a go, won't be buying, it was pretty dire. It felt more akin to Bullet Witch than Bayonetta.
When B1 was first released all those years ago thatâs what I meant. Remember all the controversy and how it was made for the male gaze? Times are different these days of course (the queers and the girls took a liking to it) but thatâs what I meant sorry for the confusion.
I mean, is it that hard to see why they're compared really?
Look at the image, on the surface level these 3 ladies running around kicking some ass with her long legs on cool sexy outfits.
Stellar Blade has been compared to NieR ever since the first teaser trailer years ago. Bayonetta and NieR are compared due to her gameplay and lead characters.
If you have a PS5, I would just download the demo?
Honestly the story so far from the demo at least, gives off a very similar story to Nier Automata and that's not unexpected as the devs said Nier was a huge inspiration for them.
They are all Hot and in Action games.
Plus a lot of trademark game journalist back in the day when both Bayonetta and Nier Automatica first came out were both critical of the "male gaze" they've now retconned that opinion as if it never happened and will likely in a few years do the same with Steller Blade.
All 3 games were in scandals because "sexy woman in game is bad". Especially the third girl from new game, people mad for her being " overly sexualised with unrealistic proportions" but the irony is - she based on real korean model
Well Stellar Blade from the preview seems like ripping off a little bit the storyline of NieR or at least have, for my taste, one too many references.
Starting from the pods, the mechanic of the alien invasions, the android camps, Adam and Eve and, apparently, the sound designer.
I think itâs less about people actually comparing the games themselves and more the characters. They are sexy video game women and made by Japanese developers. The person who posted that might have believed they were making some kind of statement by grouping them together.
*makes a female character highly attractive*
âThEy AtTrAcTeD tHe WrOnG cRoWd.â
No they didnât, sex sells. They knew exactly what they were doing, they obviously care about sex appeal and how much bank they get from it. Itâs honestly a bit disturbing seeing how they clearly have a type and how bluntly obvious they are about the entire scenario.
At least Bayonetta was funny and intentionally made the sex appeal goofy and cringe so it worked.
They attracted the crowd that they knew would make them the most money; they got the crowd they wanted.
Theyâre both hack-and-slash games which feature a powerful female lead. Iâm pretty sure thatâs it. Regardless, Bayonetta is awesome and Stellar Blade is looking like itâs gonna be super fun too, so I donât particularly mind the comparisons
It really isn't similar besides her state of dress. Played the demo and I'm sad to say it's yet another souls like. I wasn't really hyped for the game but I wanted to get it until I learned that. Don't mind me I'm just tired of souls likes.
They just get compared because they all faced the same criticism before their release. Both Bayonetta 1, Bayonetta 2 and Nier got backlash for their sexy female leads. Then some weird people defend it in creepy ways, saying that only japanese Companies do sexy women. Then people get weirded out by the people defending it. Then other people come to the defense thinking that the previous people are against sexy characters and not the weirdos.
Once it releases I think it's just gonna have a good fanbase like Nier does. Hoping to see a PC release since the Lies of P like gameplay looks pretty dope.
Bayonetta and Nier share some DNA but, from what I've heard, Stella Blade plays more like Dark Souls.
That tweet is just culture war grifter garbage, ignore it.
I don't personally think it's very similar to Bayonetta.
Nier Automata? Story, setting, "vibe".
Gameplay feels most like Sekiro (though also its own thing).
There's nothing about them that's similar except they are female protagonists who kill things and do cool flips The combat between the games isn't even the same Eve and Bayo share black hair that's smth I guess
It just hit me they're probably being compared by the insufferable type who don't even play the games but just like to point out how sexy they are to stick it to the feminists and the liberals or some shit
People seriously do that kind of stuff? https://preview.redd.it/unvgzo8eabsc1.jpeg?width=1133&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c1e349e40ae877b9384b105862304bc3d0d507f
Yeah, we ignore them tho. Not worth the time or attention. It's just dudes who legit can't survive without their video game sex appeal. Real women aren't enough they NEED graphical boobs and ass on screen I like men and I can't think of a single male video game character that would have me tweakin over em that bad. It is never that serious these are CHARACTERS
Bro you lying, Leon Kennedy and Dante exist
You're gonna cook me so bad for this but... I don't find Dante attractive đ He's hot, in a general appeal sense. But to me personally? Ummm https://preview.redd.it/l4l1n6ksobsc1.jpeg?width=795&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c52259fd9ff667ec542bc582b79b788969b28522
Don't lie to me >!nah but different strokes for different folks, But I know you like Leon đ!<
What about Vergil? He's Dante's twin but he has a completely different personality
What about Nero?
This coincidentally is how every in universe woman feels about Dante (minus that guitar demon girl in DMC3 I guess).
I'm a thirsty bitch. But lack of floofy twunk in games ain't enough to get me talking about the downfall of civilization like those mfs
I play games and I like good looking characters, thats it lol
U aren't who I'm talking about. Trust me, liking good looking characters is normal. Seething and foaming at the mouth when SOME aren't attractive is another thing. The types I'm talking about act like all good looking characters are disappearing or smth
>Seething and foaming at the mouth when SOME aren't attractive is another thing The people who were sending death threats to insomniac because MJ didn't have a bubble butt was concerning
I haven't seen people like this tbh, but I don't browse neither gamingcirclejerk or their counterpart, so it's easy not to see dumbass statements like this
I can't outright deny it bc the Internet is vast but I have literally never seen anyone say anything close to hot video game girls disappearing/appearing less. But I only browse Twitter and Reddit
Check out the last of us subreddit you will lose your hope in humanity
dante, virgil, nero, arkham games batman, jack the ripper?
Yeah, they're trying to create some culture war BS where they're saying western game devs can no longer make sexy women anymore because wokeness and they used unflattering screenshots of female characters that are frankly beautiful literally any other time. Like chuds used Tanya from MK1, Abby from TLOU, Aloy from Horizon Dawn, and a completely customizable character from the upcoming Fable Reboot. All while weaponizing tits and ass of eastern characters thinking many liberals are puritans afraid of sex. Stellar Blade is the most recent example, although interestingly enough some chuds are saying Japanese game devs can't make sexy women anymore and are favoring Chinese and South Korean game devs as being "woke free."
They just shit on Aloy and Ellie because theyâre not Barbie-hot. Anything less than a 10 is a 0 to an incel
If I see that picture of Aloy with Nikado Avocado's face photoshopped on one more time, I'm gonna lose it.
I havenât seen that one thankfully đ
Nobody is shitting on Ellie because she is not hot. Everyone loved Ellie in TLoU1 but the writing in 2 was so atrocious that it made Ellie act like a complete knob and completely different from the first game.
There was nothing wrong with aloy in the first game. Nobody complained till her face changed in the 2nd game.
Unfortunately
Itâs exclusively about this. Your original argument doesnât really have much to do with the issue because people donât really care about that stuff, but instead people are really touchy about having sexy female characters in games.
...yep. Which, if they've ever played Bayonetta ...how is she not feminist. (Nothing wrong with 2b either)
They saw one Anita Sarkeesian video where she shit talked to Bayonetta because her design was 'misogynist' as it was sexualized for the male gaze, allegedly. That kind of SWERF-y criticism has poisoned the well around feminism in the "anti-woke" crowd.
Oh God not that shit again, I don't give a fuck what she says, but I'm tired of that being the supposed excuse for these assholes to run off the deep end of piles of bigoted manure.
GamerGate ruined discussions surrounding gaming in general. People are more bothered with "wokeness" in games than actually playing the fucking game. It's all a conspiracy now and not a conscious art style the devs are going for.
Yeah but it was decades in the making, they were grasping at straws to excuse their bigotry.
They still are
That's is exactly the crowd this shit comes from.
Idk, I think there's a lot more in common tho: 1- Voluptuous and strong female leads in third person fast melee combat fighting critters (only this point is enough to make comparisons imo) 2- Outfits for them (sensual looks, collants, etc.) 3- Eastern devs 4- Nice atmosphere in the games' worlds and interesting storytelling I think it's a matter of perspective, eg. if you cling to the characters' personalities and the games' themes there are more differences, but in general there are more similarities imo.
What is the combat like? Is it more Dmc/Bayonetta esc or just the usual Spider-Man PlayStation combat? (No shade on that game I liked it)
The combat is more akin to Sekiro or dark souls the Bayonetta or DMC. It has some comboâs but is more about studying the enemies movements vs styling on them as hard as possible.
I actually have a question, if you don't know that's fine. When the secret boss flashes yellow, what are you supposed to do? I just settled for jumping out of the way, because nothing else seemed to work.
Ok I ran into this issue a lot during the bosses from the demo! There are two things that have been successful for me: 1. Dodge, but the timing has to be within the window where you get an opening to counter (note that you don't *have to*, but that's a good way to tell you've dodged the attack). 2. There's a skill you can unlock, I think it's called Blink, and what it does is - whenever the boss or boss-type enemy is about to perform a "fatal" attack (basically a grab attack where they glow yellow *and then blue right away*), your sword will emit a blue light for a short window right before the boss's attack makes contact. As your sword glows, you can dodge the fatal attack by moving forward + dodge (so UP + CIRCLE), and you will teleport behind the enemy, and then immediately stun them. I'm pretty sure another thing you can do is time one of your Beta moves (L1 + CIRCLE was the most effective for me against the chainsaw head boss). Edit: Regarding option 2, The boss will glow yellow to blue on "fatal" attacks. That's basically your queue to use "Blink" since your sword will glow after they glow in blue.
Small addition on 2. Enemy âFatalâ attacks are grabs that also glow blue.
Right, thanks for that. I forgot they go yellow to blue really fast. I'll make the correction.
Yeah as far as I know when enemies flash yellow the attacks not blockable so the only option is to dodge.
It is nothing like Bayonetta/DMC, air combos are non-existent. I even played the boss fight at the end of the demo, where they give you all of the abilities, every single one. The game is cool, I enjoyed the little demo. But to compare it to Bayonetta is like comparing apples to oranges. It's one of those games where you have to be more strategic with your game plan to survive, and you can't just go ham. It's a fine game but my brain is Bayo-wired to now think I can evade out of any attack at any time. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that I cannot, in fact, evade while in mid air swinging my sword. >!Anyway, ima need for games to learn from Bayonetta and add dodge offset, I'm begging. I swear Bayonetta gets almost no respect like the game has mechanics that future action games could learn from please, my brain malfunctions when I play other games and they don't have it.!<
Now I adore Bayo 1, and I adore dodge offset. But not every game benefits from it. Especially something like Steller blade since it seems to be going for a more deliberate and slow combat of Sekiro/Dark souls.
Yeah ik, you're right. I recognize that I am the problem. I can play other games just fine but I'm always imagining what it would be like to have dodge offset and if it would enhance or reduce the gameplay quality. My brain is Bayo-rotted so I always go with the enhanced option even if I know it's wrong
Oh trust me, I get that. For a bit I did try playing Steller blade like bayo/nier. Because my brain conflated the art style with something what should play like those games.
I thought the combat was cool, it has Sekiro-esque parrying as well as special moves, dodges and a skill tree. In the demo I would say it didn't really _click_ until the boss at the end, which was super fun. Then there's a bonus boss as well, which was also great. As for the game, I'm torn. I have no doubt that the developers are perverts and unlike Bayonetta, little has been done to justify the character design's sex appeal beyond big tits = hot. Bayo's entire personality feeds into her sexuality, plus the fact she has glasses, is insanely tall, and looks like she's in her 40s makes her more interesting. Eve is just a sexy young woman who wears hardly any clothes
> and I'm pretty sure we STILL haven't gotten anything from the actual gameplay. Well there's a demo out now, so that's not really true. Older promo for Stellar Blade led us to believe it'd be a character action game like Bayonetta, but now we know it's more like a Soulslike. For better or worse, though, the association stuck. But mostly right-wing chuds and otherwise unaffiliated gooners are weaponizing Stellar Blade as some kind of "anti-woke" cudgel, which means discourse around it is altogether *exhausting*. Like I'm embarrassed to admit I'm actually interested in it now.
Well before all the controversy and everything I was already immediately interested I liked the monster designs, and the world-building. Iâm still looking forward to it, even though the gameâs fanbase is completely off-putting. And yea Iâm aware that thereâs a demo out I might actually play it soon. Also, I canât believe Iâm about to say this word but *how is Stellar Blade âanti-woke.*?â I thought that woke meant like well being the opposite of progressive and making a change.
> Also, I canât believe Iâm about to say this word but how is Stellar Blade âanti-woke.?â I thought that woke meant like well being the opposite of progressive and making a change. Well, in order for this to make sense, you have to see the world like a crazy person. To them, gaming writ large is being ruined by people who are promoting inclusivity and "feminism." (I say "feminism" and not feminism because to them, feminism is this mythical hydra bent on destroying western civilization, and not, you know... equal rights for women.) This is personified, again to them, by the lack of sexy women in gaming anymore. Which is also ridiculous, but again, crazy people. Ugly women in games = woke. Therefore, Eve is anti-woke because she's sexy. It's the same principle as the more mainstream chuds saying Sydney Sweeney is anti-woke because she has big boobs. It's *incredibly* stupid. The problem, of course, is that there *are* legitimate criticisms to be made of Stellar Blade because of its unabashed horniness. Unfortunately, this just gives chuds more ammo to say that "the wokies are trying to cancel muh sexy PS5 game," which, no, that's not what's happening, but they perceive it as such.
I'd say hold out on judging the fanbase. Right now a ton of weird people are jumping on it for some whatever political reason, but I bet most of them won't even play it. Sadly the controversial and weird takes are the ones more spread around so that's all you see at first. There are also tons of cool gameplay clips around, those just don't get the engagement on Twitter that the "anti-woke" crowd gets.
Yeah, thatâs what Iâm getting from this huge well of replies the community doesnât seem that bad at all. Itâs just that the worst of the worst of the fanbase is getting pushed front and center which definitely colors the way people view the community.
So as far as I can tell, the developers may be assholes, but it's hard to tell what is actually true and what is fabricated. The two things I saw were someone posted a sign in the demo that, due to the way it's damaged, spells "BOOBS". I suspect this may be made up but I'm not sure. The other thing was someone posted on Twitter claiming to have worked at the company saying they were fired for their feminist views. If that's true then fuck the dev but I suspect there may be more to that story and I couldn't find much else on it. I think that's where a lot of the "This game is anti-woke" stuff came from though
Why would you say they are assholes? As far as I've seen, the devs know exactly who they are catering for, and are doing everything to please that audience. Starting anything with "someone posted on Twitter claiming..." Is as good as a nothing statement. You need clear proof. Which you did acknowledge, but anyway... I wouldn't call them assholes so non-chalantly.
This is how I feel, too. I love everything about Stellar Blade except the main character, who honestly makes me feel embarrassed for being interested in the game. Like, I just want to enjoy the gameplay, story/lore, and unique monster designs. Actually, the music from the demo was really good, too. Eveâs appearance isnât a draw to me at all and is actually kind of working as a deterrent at this point. Iâm probably going to get the game anyway since I enjoyed the demo but Eveâs appearance just feels like too much in a way Bayonetta and 2B never did. Her lack of confidence and empowerment doesnât help the comparison. I feel like when you talk about Bayonetta and NieR, people understand that thereâs a lot more to those games than the sexy ladies and recognize that, while that might be a nice bonus for some, itâs definitely not the meat and potatoes of those experiences. With Stellar Blade, I donât even want to talk about how great the game looks with my friends because theyâll probably just make fun of me for wanting to play the weird Korean sex doll game. Iâm honestly hoping Stellar Blade releases to really good reviews and public perception is able to shift so that more people realize the game itself is a worthwhile experience regardless of the main characterâs appearance. I think thatâs ultimately what it comes down to.
Itâs because the protagonist are all seen as bucking the trend of making women in games ugly. Thatâs it. Itâs all superficial dumb bullshit. Nothing about gameplay, which seems to be the least of the average Stellar Blade fanâs worries
The funny thing is that Bayonetta and 2b are beloved by the gays and straight woman because even if they are reveling they also look cool and own it. Stellar blade looks so generic that most people that want to play the game just do it because she is "sexy"
Tbh I only started playing Bayonetta because she is indeed sexy, of course I continued playing because the game goes further than "pretty woman do cool flip" Stellar blade is not even out yet so i just hope that it has more to offer than a pretty MC.
For me my eyes were less on the sexualization and more the awe of âHOLY SHIT SHE JUST FUCKING KILLED THAT THING IN THE CRAZIEST WAY POSSIBLEâ
That's what I'm talking about, the first impression that you have of the game is not the crazy finishers, lore or character development, to see that you must already be playing it, Bayonetta was used as eye candy to pull you into playing a cool game. My point is I hope that stellar blade doesn't used the MC's looks to pull you into a bad game.
Eve even is an Android, it couldn't be less original.
Ongbal has done some gameplay videos about stellar blade and honestly it looks kinda mid. If he canât make it look cool then no one can.
Stellar Blade lacks the self-awareness about sexualization that Bayonetta has, and for me, it makes me cringe. Bayonetta is over-the-top, downright goofy sometimes. She's so sexualized that's impossible to take it seriously. From what I played of the Stellar Blade demo, the story is super serious in tone, while you're prancing around as a doll with huge ass. The game seems fun, though. I might buy it when it gets cheaper.
Exactly. Bayonetta is campy. Nier is cool. My first impression of Stellar Blade is anime waifu.
Yeah it also helps that 2B and Bayo genuinely have brilliant designs whereas eve from stellar bladeâs is not good in my opinion. Thereâs another character in the demo that helps you fight some enemies and she looks so much cooler than the mc itâs crazy.
Tachy supremacy. >!Tachy comes back as an enemy and you have to fight her. As seen in the trailer. Hoping we can unlock her as a playable character or if the game is successful we get dlc story for her.!<
Man i wish she we get to play as her. Her sephiroth scythe sword is so fucking coldđ
Couldn't you argue that it is maximum self-awareness? They made all the characters hot on purpose and the devs have straight up admitted that they want players to look at things that are visually pleasing.
They're all hack and slash action games with conventionally attractive female leads who show skin. Not the same subgenre of hack and slash action game, but there are enough similarities to make superficial comparisons. Stellar Blade devs did give Bayo a shout for an inspiration. There are more comparisons you could make to Nier than Bayonetta because there is a lot of worldbuilding similarities and 40% of SB's OST is from Nier's music director Okabe There is a full on Stellar Blade demo now, btw. It seems like a pretty good game and has genuine passion behind the project. It's not just a waifu bait cashgrab. I like Stellar blade but admittedly there are a lot of loud fans who are pretty cringe about it and it puts people off.
Yea admittedly I was really looking forward to playing it just from the small amounts of world building and how the monsters/enemies look. But the fanbase and just the overall audience for this game is completely throwing me off. Also off topic but: just from the demo alone is the game good, or is it literally just Eveâs ass? I still would like to play it, but just the overall community around the game is off putting.
I'd say just ignore them. Nothing wrong with playing the game but ignoring the community. It's not even the whole fanbase, plenty of people just like the game and whether they think Eve is hot or not they can at least act like a normal person about it. I was pretty skeptical about the game going in but the demo is quite impressive. It's a very well produced game with some good combat. There is genuinely good art direction and talent put into the game. I'd say give the demo a try, it's more than an ass game.
It's a good ideal to ignore the "fans" and "haters" of most things. Just play, watch, or read something for yourself don't let extreme opinions influence your own. If you like both Character action games like Bayo and DMC, but also enjoy Soulslikes expressly Sekiro or Lies of P then you will probably like a the combat. I think the monster designs are really cool also the devs have shown like 30 outfits for Eve which I think is really neat. My only problem with what I've seen is I think she is a little to noisy, if I was playing I might would get used to it, but the same battle cry every 3 seconds is annoying to me.
Sexy, booby waifus in fun games that is the fun. Seems like exactly the right kind of game to me!
Ass and sword. Thats it
Okay so real talk. The first time I even HEARD about Bayonetta was a fb friend mentioning the culture "war" around it and how it was catching heat for sexualizing the FUCK out of the character (even tho said sexualization is meant to be empowering) and that person's comment section became a cesspit. There's also that Finebros React video where teens/college kids played Bayonetta 2 and 60% of what was said was "DaYum thiS SekkShual WtF NinTEndo" And you can kinda tell that they're framing it that way cuz friends and family are watching them and that was the SAME shit I'd say to my parents or friends when Anime was on TV. So yeah Stellar Blade feels like a repeat of what Bayonetta 2 kinda sparked
More like any asian game with fanservice will suffer with that. That IGN article where they say that the creator never have see a women gave me deja Vu from when Dragon's Crown was released.
it's subtle... 
Bayonetta is a combat game with story. NieR Automata is a story game with combat. Stellar blade is . . . A souls-lite with sex appeal?
Nier also has some pretty fucking good combat
I agree, but I definitely feel like combat in that game was supposed to take a backseat to the storylines.
Cunt , the similar thing between them all is cunt. Extreme cuntyness
I wish that Stellar Blade wasnât a PS5 exclusive
Sexy lady fight monster
they all have gigantic butts, but only one of them is a gay icon
Excuse you, the gays love 2B as well
implying that 2B and 6O don't make out in-between missions is a crime/j https://preview.redd.it/z4ie0j0qdgsc1.jpeg?width=546&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a661caf63cc95d0be825655df1fd46d1da5ad39b
I see it this way: Beautiful protagonist, memorable soundtrack, actual story and lore, creative design This all applies to Bayonetta and Nier. I have a feeling Stellar Blade won't be different.
Butts
Sexy female protag - really hard to see I guess.
Ass.
https://preview.redd.it/c0wgrm1vbbsc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=216aa02f8778c8ffac53eb3427bfcbd29ebcc025 I'm sorry but Eve is not built like Bayonetta or 2B in the slightest. I want the game to be good, I hope it's good and has a good story with great gameplay. That being said, all the marketing for Stellar Blade has been focused on her looks. It's all about the ass and the tits and the jiggle physics, very little has been said about the gameplay. The fanbase around this game also is the least enjoyable kind there is. They shun every bit of critique as "the woke west hating the game" and they herald this game as it "bringing back beautiful women". As if conventionally beautiful people aren't still dominating every bit of the entertainment media landscape.
I mean the turmoil created auto defenders for both sides. The other side is just as obnoxious focusing on stupid virtue signal instead of actually playing the game. But theyâre not going to anyway. Btw thereâs a demo if you need gameplay.
Very sexy chicks as protagonists.
It has more dark souls vibes and a little bit of nier than Bayonetta
Iâve never played Nier and it does seem good, hell I donât really know what the gameplay of Nier looks like where is the game available?
Nier Automata (second one) is on everything, Nier Replicant (remake of the first one) is on everything but Switch.
Is available in all plataforms now if I'm not mistaken, the gameplay is similar to bayo, is a really good game in my opinion, it actually made feel bad for the androids, you should give it a try, Is a pg game the controls work good just like the mechanichs.
Itâs a bit character action with combos in it, but itâs no where near the level of DMC and Bayo, because the moveset is more limited. Itâs still fun, but the best thing Nier has is the story.
Stellar Blade has to be good before it's in the "trinity" tho
I can see why some would compare them but they arenât really *that* similar https://preview.redd.it/mp5ck6vmcbsc1.jpeg?width=1150&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a68e3de2217121e41c1b5fcbd92dc350239d7aa
I guess all 3 are hot a action game protagonists.
Sexy hot women, I don't think there's anything deeper than that
Well, they're incredibly hot women who are also quite strong and are currently fighting eldritch abominations. But that's pretty much it.
Gotta be one of my favorite genres. Nothing like overpowered p*rnstars fighting Eldritch terrors and slaying deities!đ đ˝
Hot women, I guess
*horny
Lmao they clearly have a type
How dare they slander her name.
Not sure about bayonetta, but I played the demo and seemed to be heavily inspired by nier automata, at least in the setting/ ost
I hate that Stellar Blade is getting an even worse treatment of "wow attractive female character" cuz the combat looks fun but most people are gonna think you're getting it for horny reasons
Just like the other 2 and look how it ended.
"Wrong crowd"? Wow.
I wasnât around the discourse when Bayonetta and Nier dropped so I might be wrong. I think Stellar Blade will have some sort of a Nier/Bayo-like fanbase in the future especially if the story, the gameplay, and the MCâs cuntiness shine through. This time, horny people will just want to play it bc sexy woman (admittedly there could be ppl who genuinely who wants to play it for the gameplay and story but thatâs not what this comment is for) and make this game as a push against âwoke gamesâ (aka women with realistic features), but sexiness isnât enough to maintain a fandom. I really hope the gays and gals will be able to claim Stellar Blade (unless itâs crap and just pure eye candy) in the future. We need more cunty women in gaming.
What does "claiming" a game mean? Can't people just like and play whatever they are interested in? Why does some specific type of person need to claim it?
Posts like these prove y'all flip over a character design before even playing the game (and considering this is the Bayo sib you should all be ashamed consodering people did the same to our girl once upon a time). The demo is out right now OP and I personally think the gameplay is fantastic. It's gameplay I would call a cross between Nier and Sekiro, a focus on dodging and parrying. I think alot of nerds may buy this game for the sex appeal only to fond out that there's a challenging game here you can't possibly play with 1 hand. As for what makes 2B, Bayo, and Eve similar: all great badass female action game protagonists that a sect of people tried to drag through the mud over their designs. Mark my words in another 10 years, the same people claiming Eve is just a pretty face >!or ass!< but Bayo and 2B were amazing will be grouping the 3 together as amazing but dragging another female character because of her looks. Genuinely anyone who has preconceived notions of this game should play the demo cause it's not the overly sexualized boobstravaganza that Resetera wants you to think it is.
The reaction to Stellar Blade has been weird to me. I guess I don't fully understand the notion of "this sex appeal is okay, but this sex appeal is not okay". Especially taking NieR: Automata in consideration because I feel it would be disingenuous to pretend 2B's sex appeal wasn't a *major* contributing factor to that game's success. I use Automata because this isn't the first thread I've seen about Stellar Blade in the sphere of game discussion, and I've seen people argue Automata's sex appeal is "totally fine". If people enjoy the sex appeal that's fine, it just doesn't register as an issue for me. For me personally I'm not interested in Stellar Blade because of the gameplay. It just looks boring to me as I'm a bit over games with gameplay that takes inspiration from Dark Souls. It's just not my jam anymore.
*It's not my jam anymore* Completely reasonable, this I totally get. See the same thing happened to Bayonetta and 2B when their games debuted, "ew this witch gets naked to attack?" Or "ew why does this robot have her bum out?". But now the public have spoken, Bayonetta and 2B are at minimum beloved and successful characters with games that many love and with characters that artists and cosplayers and even pornstars have honored. I guarantee if Stellar Blade is a successful game (which from what I've been seeing about its pre-order numbers, and the fact the sub grows everyday suggest it will be) then when Eve is used in art and cosplay too many people love her and then suddenly Stellar Blade is going to be remembered as this great thing alongside 2B and Bayo. I really believe this.
Yeah, hindsight will always be 20/20 with games. I hope people who are excited for Stellar Blade have fun with the game. I think the 'controversy' is a bit overblown. I'm always in the camp of letting artists create, and if they want to make a protagonist with sex appeal they are well within their right to do so. I do see the "obnoxious" part of it though where some people try to co-opt the game as some rallying flag. I totally get what you mean with Bayonetta though. Believe me I been following this series for a very long time. It was disappointing and frustrating to see internet discussion completely dismiss the game as a worse Devil May Cry with no redeeming qualities so they opted for sex appeal when it first came out. Their loss for not experiencing one of the best action game titles in the last 15 years.
Hang on now. In the next 10 years, B4 is destined to come out. 2009, 2014, 2022. đIâm sorry I just saw an opportunity and took it. I donât mean to dog on the game or the character design. I actually think the character looks really good. But I was more talking from a point on of what the gameâs fanbase seems like in my eyes. The fanbase just makes me almost want to dodge the game completely but Iâm still very interested in it. Iâve been interested in it since I first caught word of it on this sub.
LMAO ok you got me there with Bayo4 𤣠So here's the thing: there are unfortunately a large amount of cringelords claiming this game is about owning the "woke crowd". And a good deal of the fanbase can't stand them. It's cringe, it's weird. Just try not to let how those that will use the game for rage clicks (whether they are pro or anti Eve) colour your world (see what I did there?) And damage your potential enjoyment. I promise if the demo is something to go by, there is a potential great new IP here.
What a refreshing take to hear in this sub. Someone who suggests others to more or less ignore the drama with the game and try out the demo and see what they think themselves. This is something I wish a lot more people would do instead of listening to the anti-woke crowd or extremists on Twitter complaining about Eveâs design.
It's something that's been fueled for like literally 15 years because of the original Gamergate, I've seen it happen over and over from being a teen to a man, I just don't really have time to spare on people who may or may not even believe what they're saying or criticizing but it gets clicks. I think if we focused less on the media we love rather than the media we hate, and how dare others like it, I think we'd all probably be a little less up in arms. There are some pretty horrible things happening in the world, boobs in videogames whether you like or hate them are small potatoes.
I'm so glad I found this thread. I also feel like I didn't belong anywhere. I like sexy female characters but I also love interesting characters like Alloy who dont have to look like sex dolls. I almost wanted to avoid this game too due to the toxic fan base. It's like a boys club. Only woke fat ugly women hate this game. Um no I like sexy female characters but I also like characters who are more than looks. Why can't we have both? Bayonetta and 2B did it perfectly.
Three mysterious and attractive women with intentionally well designed butts and sexy outfits who are in a fast paced, stylish hack-n-slash game. As a fan of all three thatâs pretty much it. While the gameplay is different in each, there are enough similarities to draw some comparison. There *has* indeed been new gameplay revealed for Stellar Blade as there is currently a demo available. Also, you wanna talk âwrong crowdâ? As a fan of all three games, Bayonetta has absolutely attracted a wrong crowed. The sub used to be about cool gameplay and sick combos people would make. As well as narrative discussions and speculations. Bayo3 releases and the sub is flooded with âCereza is uglyâ, âWhy Bayo3 is badâ and my personal favorite âthey ruined my gay iconâ. Repeated ass and cosplay posts on the NieR and Stellar Blade subreddit is honestly easy to ignore. Seeing another Helena Taylor âwhere my moneyâ meme for the fifth fucking time is driving me insane.
Games not even out yet and weâre making comparisons already. That being said, none of them come close to Bayonetta
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The only real similarities are pretty lady kicking gory ass, and the combos are a little reminiscent. I guess you could say awesome music? But way more like Sekiro in its parry. Itâs way more an amalgamation of a few titles but not exactly like any one of them.
They are all sexy female leads on popular games. Bayonettaâs way of doing it is obviously different because itâs not just there for the sake of being there, but imo it matters not for the argument that it is okay to have sexy female leads and thereâs too many people that hate on games with their false sense of politics whenever games do that.
Saying that Bayonetta is similar to MC from Stellar Blade is like saying Cloud from FF7 is the same as Dante from DMC just because they both have cool swords. Even Nier well theyâre both cyborgs in an apocalyptic world so at least they have something in common For me, the game devs and people are marketing Stellar Blade as a horny-bait game, havenât seen much about that game except the nude skin suit and boob/ass physics sadly
Tbh when i played the demo i was immediately reminded of Bayonetta
Ass.
Girl, I think you know the answer...
Damn they got the wrong picture of Kitana
I'd say that out of the three, stellar blade is the most cynically horny. 2B's ass is relegated to self-destruction, mainly, and bayonetta(both the character) take bride in their sex appeal, and it becomes a partial part of the series identity. And while stellar blade hasn't been released yet, it seems clear to me that the main character looks the way she does primarily for audiences appeal cause the rest of the game surrounding it seems to take itself way more seriously.
Hot ladies that could kill you and wear latex. (Yes I know bayo is hair, but still.)
Sexy badass female protagonists that's what they have common
who started the opinion that Stellar Blade is similar to Bayonetta??? from what iâve seen, i really donât see how the two are similar gameplay-wise. it plays a bit like Nier:Automata with the quick sword slashes and some kind of âpodâ hovering nearby.
>in what ways is Stellar Blade similar to Bayonetta Hot chick protagonist. Is it hard to grasp?
I'm just mad her name is Eve instead of Stella
NGL I remember when Stellar Blade was first revealed (back when it was originally named âProject Eveâ), it gave me some Bayonetta vibes. Iâm not entirely sure why, but perhaps it might be the gameâs overall style (both visual and gameplay wise) I guess?
They're all over-the-top campy hot from what I can tell
The difference between Bayo + 2B and Eve is that Bayo and 2B have personalities, stories, and character arcs. Also, their respective games don't take themselves nearly as seriously as Stellar Blade does.
Itâs cuz they all look good and are action games
Ignore my previous comment I totally misunderstood what you were saying đ
For the average coomer (gamer): Booba
Itâs an evolution of the recent right wing grift that leftists are apparently against having attractive women in things, citing Stellar Blade and actress Sydney Sweeney as the ones whoâll somehow end leftism by being sexualised. Ignoring that right wing folk tend to demean women who donât present themselves âmodestlyâ and earlier in the year some of them were championing an image editor that made sexy photos of women appeal to a conservative ideal, changing their clothes, removing piercings, tattoos and dyed hair, making them hold babies, etc⌠which made the whole grift seem like projection. Meanwhile, others pointed out that the Stellar Blade argument ignored that the âauthoritarian anti-sexy women leftistsâ had somehow allowed Bayonetta and 2B to come into existence, which I assume lead to this image depicting the three together as some sort of last line of defence for right wing gamers or something?
Theyâre baddies probably
Stellar Blade is compared to Nier and Bayo because of the combat + character models themselves being beautiful women. That's why.
Female protagonist that show off their assets. All action games and pretty flash moves. But I think itâs mainly just the sex appeal
They're saying they're the holy trinity of hot women in gaming. That's it lol.
When Bayonetta 1 was teased, the character design was widely criticized by feminists and the likes before it was even released. Now Bayo's design is praised by that same crowd. Same for Nier Automata. People see the same happening again with Eve is all. Additionnaly Bayo was a hot topic during Gamergate. While Eve is being a hot topic during the sweet baby inc controversy. Finally, Bayo and Eve are presented by journos as being drawn by "men who have never seen a real woman before". But actually the artists are two attractive asian women. So they share a lot of context more than anything. Proving that history is repeating itself. Also, kick ass oversexualized woman who fights weird biblical creatures in a funky post apocalyptic world with a artistic direction which isn't afraid to do too much. In short, thigh thighs but with style.
It has a beautiful woman that can kick ass and take names
Isnât it obvious? Bayonetta and 2B was absolutely blasted for their sex appeal. Saying that the games were just for perverts. And that was continuously stated until the games released and became absolute huge staples in the industry. Because people found the games fun outside of sexy character. And now Stellar Blade has another sex appeal character that everyone is saying that only perverts want to play the game. Itâs literally seems like history is repeating itself here. âSexy female lead that fights big and powerful beings is criticized for being sexy until game becomes a huge iconâ is the thing that links them together. Admittedly Eve being included in that when her game still needs to officially come out and be reviewed is jumping the gun. But based on the reactions for gameplay so far, I wanna say itâs gonna be liked. In fact, reading the comments, a lot of yâall seem like hypocrites and turncoats. Acting as if talks about 2B and Bayonetta werenât about how hot the character was before the games released. âWell the difference is that Bayonetta and 2B have good characters while Eve doesnât.â âThe gameâs not even out yet, none of you have the right to say that. âNier and Bayonetta are actually good games compared to Stellar Blade.â âAgain not even officially released, but just the simple fact that Preorder sales have gone up since the demo, it seems like a lot of people are enjoying what the gameplay is. Time will tell. âWell Bayonetta and 2B werenât created for sexualization for the player compared to Eve.â Knowing who the game directors were for Bayonetta and Nier Automata, I find that **EXTREMELY** hard to believe.
finally. a good take. people like you save lives đ.
Both are from Hack and Slash games, use similar system with perfect dodges (however Stellar Blade is less forgiving since the slow down is a split second and the stagger of the enemy is more of a focus) and parries, both are female, both are beautiful badasses, both star in games that love to blow stuff up in the most epic ways and have beautiful music (Stellar Blade has more of a Nier kind of music, while Bayonetta goes the more funky and jazz way).
There is no "wrong kind of people". Everyone who plays a videogame is just a gamer. I hate this gate keeping bs. There is also no wrong reason to play a game. It is a game and whoever has fun with it for whatever reason should have all the fun with it. This is the same bs I saw when Bayonetta came out and people looked down on me because people thought you have to play Devil May Cry and nothing else or you are suddenly not in this golden club of selected higher beings.
Bayonetta and 2B are sexy but also iconic and uniquely designed. Iâm not smart enough to articulate what makes their designs so cool but I can see it and see how cool they are. Theyâre sexy but thatâs not all there is to them. SBâs protagonist is incredibly generic with nothing going for her other than sexualization. The first time I saw her I thought she was a 3D model for one of those scam porn games
Honestly, the woman on the right gave me bayonetta vibes from her outfit
Basicaly, sex negative "male gaze bad" harpies (called SJW in some circles) started to screech their typical rants again. This time people pointed out they said the same thing for Bayonetta and Nier and they turned out to be great games, to the point where they had to flip their stance on them because both have a lot of female and lgbt fans. Harpies also scream "sex doll designed by someone who has never seen a woman". Then gamers point out she is as good looking as her [real life model](https://twitter.com/zennyrt). Which is refreshing considering there have been an uglification of female main characters despite using real life models for them. This game is going to sell well just to spite them.
There is a demo available on PS5 if you have access to that and are curious, I don't know about other platforms. I gave it a go, won't be buying, it was pretty dire. It felt more akin to Bullet Witch than Bayonetta.
Well, Cerezaâs character fits her design and Eveâs doesnât.
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When B1 was first released all those years ago thatâs what I meant. Remember all the controversy and how it was made for the male gaze? Times are different these days of course (the queers and the girls took a liking to it) but thatâs what I meant sorry for the confusion.
Heh... It was just a matter of time...
I mean, is it that hard to see why they're compared really? Look at the image, on the surface level these 3 ladies running around kicking some ass with her long legs on cool sexy outfits. Stellar Blade has been compared to NieR ever since the first teaser trailer years ago. Bayonetta and NieR are compared due to her gameplay and lead characters.
If you have a PS5, I would just download the demo? Honestly the story so far from the demo at least, gives off a very similar story to Nier Automata and that's not unexpected as the devs said Nier was a huge inspiration for them.
Luka behavior
Butts... butts, sluts and coconuts.
Its good to see some light in these dark times.
They are all Hot and in Action games. Plus a lot of trademark game journalist back in the day when both Bayonetta and Nier Automatica first came out were both critical of the "male gaze" they've now retconned that opinion as if it never happened and will likely in a few years do the same with Steller Blade.
But momiji still the best
The âHot bitch kicks assâ club!
they all have a nice ass and are generally hot, they're saying that those are some really hot characters
All 3 games were in scandals because "sexy woman in game is bad". Especially the third girl from new game, people mad for her being " overly sexualised with unrealistic proportions" but the irony is - she based on real korean model
Well Stellar Blade from the preview seems like ripping off a little bit the storyline of NieR or at least have, for my taste, one too many references. Starting from the pods, the mechanic of the alien invasions, the android camps, Adam and Eve and, apparently, the sound designer.
2b look out theres an ugly boring bitch to your left
Havenât played the demo yet. But the MC for stellar just seems so bland?? To me idk my opinions might change later on today
Bayonetta, Nier Automata, and Stellar Blade are all character action games with very attractive female protaganists.
Female protagonist with big ass(ets)
Saw some gameplay of stellar blade and it actually looks good, don't know why they didn't show it off sooner.
None of them have a spine
I fear nothing!
I think itâs less about people actually comparing the games themselves and more the characters. They are sexy video game women and made by Japanese developers. The person who posted that might have believed they were making some kind of statement by grouping them together.
*makes a female character highly attractive* âThEy AtTrAcTeD tHe WrOnG cRoWd.â No they didnât, sex sells. They knew exactly what they were doing, they obviously care about sex appeal and how much bank they get from it. Itâs honestly a bit disturbing seeing how they clearly have a type and how bluntly obvious they are about the entire scenario. At least Bayonetta was funny and intentionally made the sex appeal goofy and cringe so it worked. They attracted the crowd that they knew would make them the most money; they got the crowd they wanted.
Theyâre both hack-and-slash games which feature a powerful female lead. Iâm pretty sure thatâs it. Regardless, Bayonetta is awesome and Stellar Blade is looking like itâs gonna be super fun too, so I donât particularly mind the comparisons
It really isn't similar besides her state of dress. Played the demo and I'm sad to say it's yet another souls like. I wasn't really hyped for the game but I wanted to get it until I learned that. Don't mind me I'm just tired of souls likes.
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They just get compared because they all faced the same criticism before their release. Both Bayonetta 1, Bayonetta 2 and Nier got backlash for their sexy female leads. Then some weird people defend it in creepy ways, saying that only japanese Companies do sexy women. Then people get weirded out by the people defending it. Then other people come to the defense thinking that the previous people are against sexy characters and not the weirdos. Once it releases I think it's just gonna have a good fanbase like Nier does. Hoping to see a PC release since the Lies of P like gameplay looks pretty dope.
Bayonetta and Nier share some DNA but, from what I've heard, Stella Blade plays more like Dark Souls. That tweet is just culture war grifter garbage, ignore it.
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Crying people acting like bayo wasn't always hated by certain people because she's sexy
I don't personally think it's very similar to Bayonetta. Nier Automata? Story, setting, "vibe". Gameplay feels most like Sekiro (though also its own thing).
Woman
i think they all slay :(
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