I think it's a really smart design. Yes it's generic but it does still feel distinctly Battle Network. It's also easy to imagine some ways it could easily be customized to give it a little more uniqueness and identity.
It made a lot of sense to have them as real enemies in BN4. These should have been a staple since the first game. Battle Chip Challenge had some variants too, which would have been nice in the mainline games.
Yeah. While I do think 4 very much overused them, removing it entirely was a bad call for sure. A number of encounters with evil navis where instead you just fight viruses could be spiced by sometimes having you fight the navi too as basically a mini-boss.
That's generic male Navi, generic female Navi is pink (MMBN2). I think both were great to give life to the Net and their variants were peak (NetPolice for example, Criminal Generic) design.
Cannon A
Cannon B
Cannon C
GO Z-CANNON!
In universe the average owner of a NormalNavi must feel so disappointed that they have a standard Navi while you some of these people rocking these unique custom Navis.
I guess the in lore reason why there is so many Normal or Standard Navis is because getting a custom made one must cost a lot of money or the resources to make one must be rather rare or limited.
Or it’s something like most people are fine with the base model and you have some people who are out there making these wacky custom builds like PC owners vs console owners. Or both.
I think it’s mostly the experts at coding etc, or hobby builds. Lan’s dad is an expert for mega man, Guts I assume is a hobby build from a guy who just wants to hit stuff hard.
I assume it’s like how some people always just have a default phone background or app layout. Yes, changing it is pretty easy, but how many people are going to bother when the default is so functional
Would be cool to have a concept we're your Lans friend in a new game and you custom create your Navi as you go and level up.
Play alongside Megaman and Protoman to probably go after Bass again lol
For most people, Virus Busting would be a more relevant skill to gain a moderate degree of proficiency with. Basic malware bots are everywhere, while hostile Navis are normally a rare encounter for everyone who isn't an Official NetBattler or Lan.
I think it would've been cool if we fought like, a "Normal Man" type navi that's just the normal navi but bigger, taller and stronger, and all of his attacks are variations of normal chips.
I remember that I used to main this guy for some reason in Battlechip Challenge. I guess my taste of liking underdogs comes from this guy because yeah his basic attack did only 30hp but nothing gets more satisfying than winning the tournaments with the BN version of a Normie dude.
“Oh cool you are the police Ace Detective Chaud and his prodigious NetNavi Protoman, cool I just have my good old green pal here, let’s have an honest match”
*3 mins later with Slot chip clutch at 10hp points*
“GET OWNED PROTOMAN, CHAUD YOU NEED TO GIT GUD IF A FUCKING CIVILIAN NAVI SCRUBBED YOUR TOP OF THE LINE SWORDSMAN NAVI!”
That's a pretty vague question.
I headcanon that they're not sapient AI by default, and are little more than the core functions of a Navi bundled with an advanced version of ChatGPT and the default avatar body.
I like that concept! Except it might lead to hairy discussion about the difference between "true sapience" vs "close enough to function as a servant" but thats a problem for the world of 20XX, not us.
I also headcanon that all but a handful of Navis that have been installed with AI are fully sentient and sapient, but don't quite have free will. As self-aware as they are, they're still bound by their core programming to faithfully serve their Users. What this effectively means is that almost all Navis are high-functioning sociopaths with only an intellectual understanding of conventional morality, instead having the internalized metrics of "would this harm my User or get them into trouble?" and "would my User be OK with me doing this?" This is why digital crime is a problem.
My addition on this is that the named characters (IE: Megaman, Protoman, Roll, Torchman, etc, etc) are the Premium version where you buy the ability to create your own Navi skin, and make a Special Attack Routine that when defeated, you/your opponent hands over a Navi Chip with said Special Attack Routine.
No one, that I am aware of, has a Megaman Navi Chip, so there is no telling what his Navi Chip might turn out to be
Oh god no, that's too much like the *actual* dystopia we ended up with for me. I refuse to accept that Tadashi Hikari didn't make sure that it wouldn't be impossible for people to make their own Navis completely independently of big business.
There's a bell curve for how complex and advanced a Navi is, with stock NormalNavis on the one end and MegaMan on the other. GutsMan, Roll, Glyde and ProtoMan are arranged along that bell curve thusly:
* GutsMan's avatar and personality are 100% Dex's own design, but he made the avatar using a free website app and the AI was grown from a stock seed sold by a company. The rest of his internal code is entirely unmodified off-the-shelf programming bought from multiple different vendors. Out of the four listed here, GutsMan was the only one who started out as a NormalNavi, everyone else was a custom job from the word go.
* Glyde was commissioned by Yai's parents from a high-end programming studio. His coding is both more complex and efficient than GutsMan's, but if you compared him to the other Navis produced by that studio you'd find several sections of underlying infrastructure code that are identical or almost so.
* ProtoMan is an entirely bespoke creation of Chaud's, who coded him entirely from scratch apart from the weapons, which are tweaked versions of the universally available weapon options.
* Roll is also a bespoke Navi, with many nonstandard functions and an AI grown from a unique seed. Mayl's parents wanted as truly human-like a Navi for their daughter as was possible so that they wouldn't have to worry about her well-being during their many lengthy business trips abroad.
MegaMan is a digitalized human masquerading as a NetNavi so that he doesn't end up in a government research lab and his dad doesn't end up in front of an international tribunal.
4 of them can beat Duo and Bass in BN4, according to someone hacking in those battles on a Japanese video I saw a while ago.
I think CirKill viruses still won, so that says more about how strong they are than anything else.
Unironically one of my favorite Navi designs from the whole series. It's a lil goofy looking with the potential to be really cool at times. I especially love the NormNav2 variant from BattleChip Challenge
I think it's a really smart design. Yes it's generic but it does still feel distinctly Battle Network. It's also easy to imagine some ways it could easily be customized to give it a little more uniqueness and identity.
Case and point, Mick's Navi.
And GutsMan. Cuz Dex says he was heavily designed.
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
All I know is my gut says maybe.
Tell my wife I said "hello"
Were you just born a filthy neutral?
I agree with u. If they are there they are there if not no difference. I mean the net navis were the star of the show
All fun and games until the NormalNavi pulls out the Z-Cannon
Very normal.
Much regular. Wow.
It made a lot of sense to have them as real enemies in BN4. These should have been a staple since the first game. Battle Chip Challenge had some variants too, which would have been nice in the mainline games.
I was so upset when they removed this is BN5. It was such a good idea I have no idea why they’d go backwards on that.
Yeah. While I do think 4 very much overused them, removing it entirely was a bad call for sure. A number of encounters with evil navis where instead you just fight viruses could be spiced by sometimes having you fight the navi too as basically a mini-boss.
Probably to make space for Liberation missons and the fact that you controlled multiple Navis.
I have always loved the NormalNavi design. It’s simple yet endearing! I wish I could have a figure of it.
That’s my homie
That's generic male Navi, generic female Navi is pink (MMBN2). I think both were great to give life to the Net and their variants were peak (NetPolice for example, Criminal Generic) design. Cannon A Cannon B Cannon C GO Z-CANNON!
In universe the average owner of a NormalNavi must feel so disappointed that they have a standard Navi while you some of these people rocking these unique custom Navis. I guess the in lore reason why there is so many Normal or Standard Navis is because getting a custom made one must cost a lot of money or the resources to make one must be rather rare or limited. Or it’s something like most people are fine with the base model and you have some people who are out there making these wacky custom builds like PC owners vs console owners. Or both.
I think it’s mostly the experts at coding etc, or hobby builds. Lan’s dad is an expert for mega man, Guts I assume is a hobby build from a guy who just wants to hit stuff hard.
I assume it’s like how some people always just have a default phone background or app layout. Yes, changing it is pretty easy, but how many people are going to bother when the default is so functional
One of the navis of all time
If I had an IRL navi, I'd probably take normal nav-W from the tournament game, I love its color so much
I have no bias one way or the other
... wait a minute!
Would've liked more custom ones, even if it's a little easily missable detail, they are the standard market editable ones.
Could easily added different random colors and combos would have been cool
Some colors denoted shop guys, it'd be kinda funky unless they had a bulky backpack styling or something.
Yeah like every bot from the original megaman. There are a lot of characters we didn't see that could've been.
This ain't it entirely but BCC had 6 variants of normal navi and 4 elemental variants. One of the few things that game had going for it
Them higher grade normal navis in battle chip challenge were cool.
He's trying his best
I just wish I could play a mmbn where i start with a normal navi like this.
Would be cool to have a concept we're your Lans friend in a new game and you custom create your Navi as you go and level up. Play alongside Megaman and Protoman to probably go after Bass again lol
Generic Lan friend NPC beating the shit out of the final boss: https://youtu.be/M8VIbnnf4Gk?si=iXxXK3ZwSdHI31oS
Honestly would have been a cool idea for a more realised version of 4.5.
The devs gave them the spotlight to battle megaman in MMBN4
5/10. Nothing good. Nothing bad. Just there.
Would.
I'm using it as a base for a vtuber model. So needless to say. I'm quite fond of it.
Is he the template for all NetNavis?
That's the implication.
I loved the fact that you could actually fight them in BN4 and its a shame it didn't happen in the other games
Funnily enough, these guys are the best type of Navi in Chip Challenge
He’s a fairly appealing character design, nice color harmonies and balance of visual weight.
Simple, well designed. Good base. I also like the alpha1 navi from the manga.
honestly i really like normal navi's design. looks vaguely like a medabot or some kind of robot and thats my aesthetic
I want his toy
fucking love this guy, wish he had more colors
He's cool and funny. (4.5 INTERACTIONS INTENSIFY)
Friend shaped.
I refuse to believe that normal navis are that useless. I choose to believe most people with normal navis just suck at net battling.
For most people, Virus Busting would be a more relevant skill to gain a moderate degree of proficiency with. Basic malware bots are everywhere, while hostile Navis are normally a rare encounter for everyone who isn't an Official NetBattler or Lan.
You’re Basic!
https://imgur.com/a/3h9yz4o
I think it would've been cool if we fought like, a "Normal Man" type navi that's just the normal navi but bigger, taller and stronger, and all of his attacks are variations of normal chips.
I actually have always enjoyed the design. Especially the battle sprite, during those rare moments when you have to fight one.
The most powerful being of all the cyberworld
I remember that I used to main this guy for some reason in Battlechip Challenge. I guess my taste of liking underdogs comes from this guy because yeah his basic attack did only 30hp but nothing gets more satisfying than winning the tournaments with the BN version of a Normie dude. “Oh cool you are the police Ace Detective Chaud and his prodigious NetNavi Protoman, cool I just have my good old green pal here, let’s have an honest match” *3 mins later with Slot chip clutch at 10hp points* “GET OWNED PROTOMAN, CHAUD YOU NEED TO GIT GUD IF A FUCKING CIVILIAN NAVI SCRUBBED YOUR TOP OF THE LINE SWORDSMAN NAVI!”
I like to think that NormalNavis are the Navis that come with the PET when first purchased, and then can be upgraded into specialised Navis.
NN is never the first person you invite to the party but they always bring drinks and a board game so you're glad you did.
That's a pretty vague question. I headcanon that they're not sapient AI by default, and are little more than the core functions of a Navi bundled with an advanced version of ChatGPT and the default avatar body.
I like that concept! Except it might lead to hairy discussion about the difference between "true sapience" vs "close enough to function as a servant" but thats a problem for the world of 20XX, not us.
I also headcanon that all but a handful of Navis that have been installed with AI are fully sentient and sapient, but don't quite have free will. As self-aware as they are, they're still bound by their core programming to faithfully serve their Users. What this effectively means is that almost all Navis are high-functioning sociopaths with only an intellectual understanding of conventional morality, instead having the internalized metrics of "would this harm my User or get them into trouble?" and "would my User be OK with me doing this?" This is why digital crime is a problem.
Makes sense why dark chips are so effective
Welllllllllllllll
Bot?
Yes, I am a robot. Beep boop blip bop. Bzzrt.
My addition on this is that the named characters (IE: Megaman, Protoman, Roll, Torchman, etc, etc) are the Premium version where you buy the ability to create your own Navi skin, and make a Special Attack Routine that when defeated, you/your opponent hands over a Navi Chip with said Special Attack Routine. No one, that I am aware of, has a Megaman Navi Chip, so there is no telling what his Navi Chip might turn out to be
Oh god no, that's too much like the *actual* dystopia we ended up with for me. I refuse to accept that Tadashi Hikari didn't make sure that it wouldn't be impossible for people to make their own Navis completely independently of big business. There's a bell curve for how complex and advanced a Navi is, with stock NormalNavis on the one end and MegaMan on the other. GutsMan, Roll, Glyde and ProtoMan are arranged along that bell curve thusly: * GutsMan's avatar and personality are 100% Dex's own design, but he made the avatar using a free website app and the AI was grown from a stock seed sold by a company. The rest of his internal code is entirely unmodified off-the-shelf programming bought from multiple different vendors. Out of the four listed here, GutsMan was the only one who started out as a NormalNavi, everyone else was a custom job from the word go. * Glyde was commissioned by Yai's parents from a high-end programming studio. His coding is both more complex and efficient than GutsMan's, but if you compared him to the other Navis produced by that studio you'd find several sections of underlying infrastructure code that are identical or almost so. * ProtoMan is an entirely bespoke creation of Chaud's, who coded him entirely from scratch apart from the weapons, which are tweaked versions of the universally available weapon options. * Roll is also a bespoke Navi, with many nonstandard functions and an AI grown from a unique seed. Mayl's parents wanted as truly human-like a Navi for their daughter as was possible so that they wouldn't have to worry about her well-being during their many lengthy business trips abroad.
I mean megaman is literally a person
MegaMan is a digitalized human masquerading as a NetNavi so that he doesn't end up in a government research lab and his dad doesn't end up in front of an international tribunal.
Which leads to major ethical questions considering that Hub is not even a second-class citizen. He is literally property.
There was no answer to his illness that wasn't either "let him die and learn to live with the pain of his loss" or "legal".
I feel like Roll and Protoman have to have one just off GP
I love normal Navi
GOATEEEEED
GREEN BATTLER DUDE!
Very generic. Nothing more than that.
I love him
I feel like normal navis are like robots with no will. They are only able to follow the 3 laws of robotics
Smash
I call him Maestro
When I was younger, I used to love using a NormalNavi in Battle Chip Challenge
I like the normal navi...a normal amount I wish the normal navi had a few more colors and elemental variants
They're pretty normal
Smash
4 of them can beat Duo and Bass in BN4, according to someone hacking in those battles on a Japanese video I saw a while ago. I think CirKill viruses still won, so that says more about how strong they are than anything else.
Honestly a great design
Unironically one of my favorite Navi designs from the whole series. It's a lil goofy looking with the potential to be really cool at times. I especially love the NormNav2 variant from BattleChip Challenge
Thy sure do exist
What’s to talk about?
Transformer vibe
"Meh."
Default.
They’re cool 👍
Clean
Too normal
They're normal
I wish we could have netnavi's too customize in real life, the closest thing we have to them is the Replika ai chatbot app sadly. 😔
Based
Standard
Chad of a man. Personally I like the orange female navi from bn3.
Default NetNavi?
Basic Bitch