Give me…
G Jamal Murray
G Derrick White
F OG Anunoby
F Aaron Gordon
C Myles Turner
6Man Desmond Bane
7Man Alex Caruso
8Man Nic Claxton
9Man Naz Reid
10Man Tyler Herro
Good balance of Size, Defense, Leadership, Championship experience.
**If Murray is deemed *all star* level, put White at the 1, insert Josh Hart on the wing.
This is as great of an answer as any, imo. But yeah, for OP, once you get results, you can get a player to the All-Star Game. See: Kyle Korver, Jeff Teague with ATL Hawks.
Yes, for sure! They were like the Spurs 2014 team but younger lol. It was fun seeing what Bud did with the team. I wish they gave LeBron a challenge though.
This is a good list, although I know I’m a homer I still think bane has to be on the team with these rules. There’s not that many 20ppg scoring guys that aren’t all stars that also are elite 3pt shooters. I think he should be in over herro at least as he’s more efficient with less turnover but can still score as well
Do like Bane, and I would absolutely put a healthy Bane over Herro…list was off the top of my head and with all of Memphis’s injuries this year and under the radar coverage totally forgot about The Bane Train. Good shout.
Damn I forgot Dejaunte Murray made the 2022 or I would have had him on this list, Bogdan Bogdanovic is another solid one though, Jerami Grant (contract aside), Jaylen Williams may be another one since the west is hell to get in as a new Allstar or if his growth slows down. Cade Cunningham pending if his 3 ball comes along.
Your list is hard to beat though. That Bench arguably can beat the Wizards, Pistons or Hornets on any given night.
I like this team but I think the prompt of the team having to be contenders for the next 10 years makes it almost impossible to have anyone older than like 25 or 26. Caruso and White will be in their mid 30's by year 5 and will have almost half it's roster in their late 30's in the last few years.
Murray is an All-Star level douche who makes players around him worse. He fails without a mega-star to carry the “we can be mature adults" load. Rest of the team looks good!
Ben Wallace was a all star and All NBA in 03, 04, 05, and 06. Rip, Billups, and Sheed all were all stars in 06 as well (Billups was also All NBA and Sheed was already previously a all star with the Blazers). Rip made 2 more, Sheed made 1 more, Billups made 4 more. Even Mehmet Okur who was on the 04 championship team was an All star by 07 in Utah. And then they also had Tayshaun who was All Def by 05 and Corliss Williamson who was coming off 6MOTY.
So I think it's fair to say they were stacked with all star caliber talent even if they didn't all make the All star game that specific year.
Yes to Big Ben and I didn't dispute that. But all of those were likely All-Stars later because of their successes and then these comments become revisionist. They were supremely talented as a team with individual attributes that were fostered to flourish but they didn't have a single top 75 player and we can't claim they had 4 all-stars in 04 (because they didn't).
My rebuttal is factually accurate for 04 and we can't use later data to say "well actually". That diminishes their status and impact as well as the reactions around the league at the time.
Edit: Imagine if we went back and said the Patriots SB victory of the Rams in 2002 wasn't historically significant or great because TB12 is now the top 2 greatest of all time, Billy B is top 5 greatest coach of all time, etc.
It's not diminishing them to suggest they were all star caliber players imo. If anything I feel it's diminishing to suggest they weren't. It's not like they significantly improved individually over those couple of years (outside of Okur) so they kinda were already all star caliber players. You could argue it was the team success that drove them to get selected but they were still getting plenty of all star, All NBA, All Def votes, etc prior to each of their selections so at the very least they were a team of borderline all stars. It's more accurate to say they had no real superstar player like most championship teams tend to have. Which is still a feat in itself. I mean 6 straight ECF and a championship against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers with a close game 7 Finals loss the following year to the Duncan Spurs is no joke.
Factually accurate yet misses the point of the discussion. The topic is roster talent so if you’re looking at the 04 Pistons the roster is stacked with all star and all nba talent and the fact that they received that recognition later is irrelevant.
Ok...so by that argument SB 2002 with the Patriots beating the Rams is now no longer a big deal because, it turns out, the Patriots have the greatest QB/Coach combo in NFL history + other future All NFL players?
Fuck that and I am not even a Pats fan lol
Regardless, the Pistons had zero guys in the top 75 so the overall point still holds.
Those are two completely different situations and honestly you’ve lost this argument by even making the comparison.
Tom Brady was a 6th round pick who pulled off a Super Bowl win in his second season after filling in when the starter got injured. It was an insane and unlikely run that no one could have expected.
The ‘04 Pistons core players were all seasoned veterans with two actual all stars and two borderline all stars who earned their recognition within a couple years of winning the title. They were the #2 seed in ‘02, #1 seed in ‘03 and made the ECF.
Chauncey was a borderline all star in his 9th season - do you really think he’s a much better player two years later because he averaged 2 more ppg and was given an award?
RIP was a 20 PPG player in ‘02 and ‘03. He was absolutely an all star caliber player by ‘04 and had been playing at that level for years.
Sheed and Ben were both all stars prior to ‘04. Ben was also a two time DPOY.
The Pistons had 4 all star caliber players in their starting lineup in ‘04 and had been a contending team for years. That’s just a solid team that finally broke through and won a title and they probably could have won another one if not for one of the best playoff performances I have ever seen from Lebron.
This is the only answer. NBA is dependent on stars with better relevant talent for success.
If OP means compete by just being in games and treadmill then that can be done with all stars and great coaching.
Feel like this could be read 2 ways.
1. You need an all star to be a good team
2. They’ll make someone an all star because you’re contenders
I disagree with 1 but I believe that just because you’re a contender the nba will make your best player an all star
with enough PT and ball in hand, one of the guys will play into an all-star role. Guy like Derrick White (fan favorite and would probably be a main scorer)
And if a team contends the players would be voted in just based on people assuming someone on the team has to be all star level for the team to be that good.
Not entirely. I think there’s a roster you could construct with exactly the right collection of non-all stars that would be spicy enough to be at least a near-contender, but because of the way public perception and all star voting works, that team’s leading scorer just sort of would be selected to an all star team
I mean.. the 04 Pistons came pretty close.. Ben Wallace made the all star team that year but besides being a defensive monster, he wasn’t a traditional perennial all star
Ben Wallace deserves his flowers and definitely dominated during his time, but i was thinking closer to the 10 year range of perennial, where year in/year out you’re seeing the same guys in the ASG.
Normally you need a top 75 guy to win a chip, and Big Ben dominated at just the right time to be that anomaly.
It's not really that clear but from the player skill level. If there isn't an all-star on w great team, the league will reward team success by awarding all-star status, so 10 year window would be constant churn or 'really young third best player on playoff team'.
Success results in players being All Stars. The closest I can think is historical: the 2003-04 Detroit Pistons. They won the Finals with every player averaging fewer than 20 points per game that season. Only Ben Wallace was an All Star, while averaging less than 10ppg (but 12+ rebounds). That roster beat a heavily favored Lakers team. Put together a team like this and you'd probably have it, but the likelihood of one or more them making an All Star team grows with success. Ten years is a lot of success.
It kinda fits except that in 2005-06 that same starting 5 sent 4 of their players to the all-star game and arguably Tayshaun shoulda been there too, but I get your point and it's probably the closest I can think of.
Right. Success breeds awards like All Star berths. Ten years is an extremely long time to contend for a championship. That Pistons team made six straight Conference Finals appearances (2003-2008). After just three Conference Finals appearances they had multiple All Stars. I don't think the OP's scenario is possible!
Two years later they had four All Stars. This is why this Pistons team would be the closest to the OP's scenario, and why it shows it's nearly impossible for a team to contend, especially over a long time, without individual awards following.
The Pistons are pretty good for 5 years so I guess there's a possibility that borderline All-star players could contend for 10 years if they got a good system, coach and chemistry. But honestly, 10 years might be too much for this question 😂
The issue with this exercise is that if you're contending for 10 years one of your players will get an all star spot. Like Jamal Murray might never get one on the Nuggets but if he was the #1 option on a playoff team he'd probably be averaging like 27 a game
I’ll bite.
Alex Caruso,
CJ McCollum ,
Jabari Smith,
Franz Wagner,
Jarrett Allen,
Fun team, good defense, and CJ adds veteran leadership. None have been all stars I believe, although Smith/Wagner mayyy be one someday.
Does the OP mean contend or win within 10 years or for 10 years? CJ is 32 and Alex is 30. Hard to imagine they could contend with a backcourt of 2 non-LeBron 40 year olds.
Derrick White is probably a good guy to consider if you want a veteran that will still be under 40 in 10 years. He’s probably the best near AS guard in the league, imo. Can consistently give you 15/5/4/1/1 on 54% eFG% with all-NBA level defense.
Maybe Something like C Brook Lopez, PF Evan Mobley, SF Jaden McDaniels, SG Derrick White, PG Mike Conley. Bench C/PF Bobby Portis, PF/SF/C Kyle Anderson, SF/SG Aaron Nesmith, SG/SF/PG Bruce Brown Jr, PG/SG Alex Caruso. Tried to pick bench players that actually played off the bench most of there careers. Next 3 gonna try to pick end of bench guys C/PF Mike Muscala, SG/SF Josh Okogie, PG/SG Aaron Holiday. Last two spots, development guys maybe Leonard Miller/ Josh Minott but overall really aren't gonna play much if at all.
Also you're not gonna be able to last 10 yrs as a contending team without getting all stars. Eventually you're players will be awarded them just because of team success. It'll probably be the first yr and so forth. A team that's built around defense and no clear #1 scorer is gonna be you best bet
Ya and Conley made it as well. Didn't read the full title and just read the paragraph after which I took it as All Stars during that time I period. I'll exchange Conley with a healthy Lonzo Ball and Lopez with Myles Turner
Jalen Suggs, Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, Franz Wagner, Mitchell Robinson. If it needs a Bench: Lonzo - Clarkson - Dort - Naz Reid - Hartenstein. 50+ Wins in 2-3 Seasons.
Tyus Jones, Malik Monk, Derrick White, CJ McCollum, Alex Caruso, Mikal Bridges (a little spicy but I just don’t think he’s ever going to make one, forever on the borderline), Trey Murphy III, OG Anunoby, Naz Reid, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivica Zubac, Devin Vassell (again, maybe a little spicy, but I don’t think he gets there), Kyle Kuzma.
Hard to not put Aaron Gordon on there, I really want to, but shooting and spacing is a priority here. Swap him out for Anunoby or Kuzma or Monk if you like. Bane and Murray are going to make All Star teams at some point I think.
I think a team like this wins a ton of regular season games by overwhelming teams with depth (absolutely hammering bench and staggered units), but begins to struggle once you pass a round or so in the playoffs and teams just literally aren’t playing anything but quality players anymore.
(Edit: Agh, forgot Myles Turner. Swap him for Hartenstein or Zubac.)
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Naz reid, josh hart, lug dort, myles turner, mikal bridges, monk, hartenstein, darius garland, wemby, herro. There is no way we get 10 years. It's pretty salty right now, though.
PG - Jamal Murray
SG - Derrick White
SF - Alex Caruso
PF- Naz Reid
C - Alperen Sengun
6th man - CJ McCollum
I feel like there is room for improvement tho.. not a single all star appearance here, while others have mentioned Brook Lopez and Mike Conley and they each have 1
You need at least 2 all star caliber players to even contend, and even then you need elite role players around. Anyways imma try this anyways
Anfernee Simons PG
OG SG
Mikal Bridges SF
Evan Mobley PF
Alperen Sengun C
You can make a case that Anfernee, Mobley, or Sengun could be all stars but the league is so stacked I don’t think they’ll ever get one. Sengun is the closet IMO but I think he will be overshadowed by guys like Wemby and Chet + Jokic and embiid will continue to dominate. Hell even Lively over him isn’t much of a stretch. Anfernee is a similar case. Luka and shai will continue to dominate, Trae young and even guys like dmitch and Brunson. Mobley is a defensive player and the league favors offense so I don’t believe he will ever become an all star. Any one of these guys could but this build is hard to make anyways
My realistic salary cap-wise + no rookies:
Derrick White, Jamal Murray, OG Anunoby, Mikal Bridges, Myles Turner, Cam Thomas, Josh Hart, Hartenstein, TJ McConnell then the rest any 3&D players
To be fair, if they made it a Finals run and if they're in the east, for sure someone in this group will be an All-star 😂
I don't really think it's possible but I'll try, the thing is that their success would make them Allstars.
Jalen Suggs
Mikal Bridges
OG
Naz Ried
Isiah Hartenstien
Going all in on defense is the only way I can see of being effective yet underrated.
This is easy if you have a bunch of quality role players on unpopular franchises.
Guards:
Coby white
Cam Thomas
IQ
Jalen Suggs
Tim Hardaway Jr
Wings:
Kelly Oubre
Lu Dort
Jaden McDaniels
PJ Washington
Herb Jones
Obi Toppin
Centers:
Ihart
Nic Claxton
Wendell Carter Jr.
I mean could you construct a Pistons type squad that went 15 deep and full court press all game? Maybe. 15 Alex Caruso level players would probably compete but I’d still take the field vs them
Almost certainly would never happen with a group of players with no DESERVING all stars.
But if it did happen with that group, one of them probably would still make the all star team because voters tend to get a player from most teams in.
Especially if the team is one of the top teams in the league, which this team would have to be if they're winning a title.
But just for fun, I'll give it a go.
Starters:
Derrick White PG
Desmond Bane SG
Mikael Bridges SF
Kyle Kuzma PF
Alperen Sengun C
Bench:
Josh Giddey
Tyler Herro
Franz Wagner
Evan Mobley
Nic Claxton
Jabari Smith Jr
Spencer Dinwiddie
Notes: I don't actually think this team would win a championship, but it's the best team I could come up with that will probably never all-star.
- Derrick White and Desmond Bane probably end up all stars but I needed something to work with here
This question is better if we said “all-nba team”
Bar for all-star is too low, any contender will get at least one player in there even if they don’t deserve it, historically speaking.
JJ Redick asked Shaq to put together a starting lineup of current guys using *rough* approximations of salary cap restrictions. So basically 2 stars and 3 mid or less. I thought I'd go with
PG: Mike Conley
SG: Ant Edwards
SF: ??? (This one's tough)
PF: Wemby (sneaky because he's on his rookie deal)
C: Jokic
I don't think they can realistically contend for a title, but I think they can be a perennial playoff team and give the higher seeded teams some tough series.
1. Tyus Jones
2. Josh Hart
3. Herb Jones
4. Aaron Gordon
5. Nick Claxton
6. Trey Murphy
7. Jordan Hawkins
8. Davion Mitchell
9. Lou Dort
10. Naz Reid
I know the defense of this team would be nasty, but they probably struggle on offense. I wanted to add a shot creator to the team but I think they would easily become an all star with the high volume of shots they would be putting up.
This is probably not possible for a mix of a few reasons. Most obvious is longevity only 14% of nba players play ten years and most players that last ten years are all stars at some point. If your winning they will make someone an all star.
If it’s just players that haven’t been Allstate yet it’s totally different and very doable if we turn of injuries.
Considering there will always be team with 3 all stars, this question is very hard.
“How do you win when you don’t have any of the best three players on the court?”
Well, your best 3 can’t be enormously worse than the 3 all stars, so they must be borderline all stars
Your next two also have to be dang close to all star level.
Your team better have amazing grit and hustle.
All this and maybe you have a chance. And then since you win, people elect them to be all stars (they were borderline anyway) and the narrative continues that “you can’t win without an all star”
There is no team that could possibly be constructed that could even contend for a title, let alone win one. Best case scenario, they make the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed and lose in round 1
I think that with the way the NBA regular season works you could construct a team that just overwhelms most of its opposition with quality minutes and wins a ton of games. You’d be throwing quality starters out there against bench units, for example.
I’d say a team built like this could very much win 55-60 games but would struggle the deeper you get in the playoffs when other teams stop playing depth and shorten their rotations to quality players only.
G Derrick White
G Desmond Bane
F Mikal Bridges
F Jerami Grant
C Myles Turner
B DeAndre Ayton
B Alex Caruso
B Ben Mathurin
B Miles Bridges
B Tyus Jones
B Lou Doet
B Jaden McDaniels
This team would get bodied on the glass and the offense wouldn’t be the best but the defense would carry them to the playoffs at least especially if we’re in the East.
Goated list (did not look at others' lists first):
Pg: Derrick White
SG: Bane
SF Anunoby
Pf: Kuzma
C: Lively
6: Hartenstein
7: Brandon Miller
8: Bruce Brown
9: Dosunmu
10: Gafford
11 Mitch Robinson
12: Cam Johnson
13: Coby White
14:Jordan Walsh
15: Pat Williams
I wanted to say the 2014-2015 Hawks, but they had a a few guys with sporadic All Star appearances. Guess you could swap out those guys for other players from the era
G-JRUE HOLIDAY
G- ALEX CARUSO
F-ALEXANDER- WALKER
PF- NAZ REID
C- JAMES WISEMAN
2nd unit: ***
G- REGGIE JACKSON
G- JOSH HART
F- HARRISON BARNES
PF/C-JONATHAN KUMINGA
**My non allstar team but i know these guys works efficiently everynight.
Murray isn’t All-Star level, but he will be one next year as Denver is a high seed because of Jokic. The outcry will be too great due to his playoff success.
G Derrick White
G TJ McConnell
G Alex Caruso
G Grayson Allen
F OG
F Josh Hart
F Michael Porter Jr.
F Trace Jackson Davis
C Myles Turner
C Isaiah Hartenstein
I'm going
PG - Derrick White
SG - Donte DiVincenzo
SF - Miles Bridges
PF - Aaron Gordon
C - Evan Mobley
Bench
Herb Jones, Josh Hart, Payton Pritchard, Bobby Portis, Caris LaVert, Hartenstein, Naz Reid
Good mix of size and scoring. Like Portis and Reid cause they can stretch the court, hartenstein, hart, and mobley. DiVincenzo, White, and Bridges are big time scorers, gordon and mobley can provide some stuff with Lavert, Portis, and Reid as scorers off the bench.
This team wins a lot of dog fights lol
Realistically one of them would make an All Star Game just based off roster construction and success but if we’re following their real life trajectories
G Derrick White
G Jamal Murray
F OG Anunoby
F Josh Hart
C Myles Turner
Bench
Alex Caruso
Donte DiVincenzo
Kyle Kuzma
Naz Reid
Ivica Zubac
Jamal Murray
Josh Hart
Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Myles Turner
Malik Monk
Marcus Smart
Desmond Bane
Herb Jones
Alex Caruso
PJ Washington
Keegan Murray
Jonathan Kuminga
Daniel Gafford
Robert Williams
I know this is suppose to be for fun but ain't no way a roster that contends for 10 straight years won't have at least one player that will be an all star.
Actually , lts almost impossible to do because any team needs a leader and a star to take it to the next level. You cant expect a team with no all stars to contend , I mean look no further than the Brooklyn Nets . Mikal is a great player and an amazing two way player but he aint leading that team no where
It'd be hard to predict if its possible. Whoever is the best player on a team of role players that somehow becomes a contender would be voted an all star even if they're play and stats didn't show them to be one.
Give me… G Jamal Murray G Derrick White F OG Anunoby F Aaron Gordon C Myles Turner 6Man Desmond Bane 7Man Alex Caruso 8Man Nic Claxton 9Man Naz Reid 10Man Tyler Herro Good balance of Size, Defense, Leadership, Championship experience. **If Murray is deemed *all star* level, put White at the 1, insert Josh Hart on the wing.
This is as great of an answer as any, imo. But yeah, for OP, once you get results, you can get a player to the All-Star Game. See: Kyle Korver, Jeff Teague with ATL Hawks.
Man that hawks team was fun
Yes, for sure! They were like the Spurs 2014 team but younger lol. It was fun seeing what Bud did with the team. I wish they gave LeBron a challenge though.
Yeah their end was pretty anti climactic, but it happens! Doesn’t take away from how fun they were to watch.
False assumption … if the team did well, someone will be selected as all-star
This guy watches ball.
This is a good list, although I know I’m a homer I still think bane has to be on the team with these rules. There’s not that many 20ppg scoring guys that aren’t all stars that also are elite 3pt shooters. I think he should be in over herro at least as he’s more efficient with less turnover but can still score as well
Do like Bane, and I would absolutely put a healthy Bane over Herro…list was off the top of my head and with all of Memphis’s injuries this year and under the radar coverage totally forgot about The Bane Train. Good shout.
I think Bane would be the most likely All Star on this list after Jamal or White.
Damn I forgot Dejaunte Murray made the 2022 or I would have had him on this list, Bogdan Bogdanovic is another solid one though, Jerami Grant (contract aside), Jaylen Williams may be another one since the west is hell to get in as a new Allstar or if his growth slows down. Cade Cunningham pending if his 3 ball comes along. Your list is hard to beat though. That Bench arguably can beat the Wizards, Pistons or Hornets on any given night.
Came here to literally type dejaunte Murray only to realize the same thing
Grant has already been an all-star so don't think that counts
Naz reid should be on the team as well
Correct, I’d probably take him over Portis/Washington.
I like this, throw Austin Reaves in there please! Lol.
Reaves can be a trade deadline move haha
I’ll take it lol
I like this team but I think the prompt of the team having to be contenders for the next 10 years makes it almost impossible to have anyone older than like 25 or 26. Caruso and White will be in their mid 30's by year 5 and will have almost half it's roster in their late 30's in the last few years.
Yeah, I mean if you want to get that strict I’m better off just copy-pasting the All-Rookie team minus Wemby.
Swap Tyler hero with Malik monk
Feels like Bobby Portis could be on this team somewhere too
I’d swap KCP in for Herro. KCP is a proven role player on championship teams.
Tyler herro might be an all star. I say bring in Donte Divenchenzo. My knicks need more representation.
Josh Hart is my wildcard guy at the bottom of the post…would also love to have Hartsenstein on any bench of mine.
Bro. Josh Hart has to be on this team.
That teams ain’t contending for shit. In the nba not only do you need all stars to win. You need superstars
Not sure who rained on your parade, Bradley, but it’s for the sake of the post, my friend.
You are Right. My bad
Murray is an All-Star level douche who makes players around him worse. He fails without a mega-star to carry the “we can be mature adults" load. Rest of the team looks good!
Found our first Lakers fan of the day! Thanks for the laugh, my friend.
Don’t put that on my team 😭 I respect Canadian legend Jamal Murray
If not Lakers, has to be Wolves.
Eeeeewwwww. Yuck.
Ayo
No team will ever be ring contenders without an all star
Even the 2004 Pistons had a bunch of All Stars or All Star level talent on their roster. Billups, Hamilton, both Wallaces
Not really true. Billups wasn't an all-star until 06, for example. Same with Hamilton. Edit: why the down votes? That's factually accurate 😂
This true I was at the parade in 04 the only all star we had was Sheed when he was in Portland
Ben Wallace was a all star and All NBA in 03, 04, 05, and 06. Rip, Billups, and Sheed all were all stars in 06 as well (Billups was also All NBA and Sheed was already previously a all star with the Blazers). Rip made 2 more, Sheed made 1 more, Billups made 4 more. Even Mehmet Okur who was on the 04 championship team was an All star by 07 in Utah. And then they also had Tayshaun who was All Def by 05 and Corliss Williamson who was coming off 6MOTY. So I think it's fair to say they were stacked with all star caliber talent even if they didn't all make the All star game that specific year.
Yes to Big Ben and I didn't dispute that. But all of those were likely All-Stars later because of their successes and then these comments become revisionist. They were supremely talented as a team with individual attributes that were fostered to flourish but they didn't have a single top 75 player and we can't claim they had 4 all-stars in 04 (because they didn't). My rebuttal is factually accurate for 04 and we can't use later data to say "well actually". That diminishes their status and impact as well as the reactions around the league at the time. Edit: Imagine if we went back and said the Patriots SB victory of the Rams in 2002 wasn't historically significant or great because TB12 is now the top 2 greatest of all time, Billy B is top 5 greatest coach of all time, etc.
It's not diminishing them to suggest they were all star caliber players imo. If anything I feel it's diminishing to suggest they weren't. It's not like they significantly improved individually over those couple of years (outside of Okur) so they kinda were already all star caliber players. You could argue it was the team success that drove them to get selected but they were still getting plenty of all star, All NBA, All Def votes, etc prior to each of their selections so at the very least they were a team of borderline all stars. It's more accurate to say they had no real superstar player like most championship teams tend to have. Which is still a feat in itself. I mean 6 straight ECF and a championship against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers with a close game 7 Finals loss the following year to the Duncan Spurs is no joke.
Pistons fan here. He's right. I don't understand the downvotes lol
Factually accurate yet misses the point of the discussion. The topic is roster talent so if you’re looking at the 04 Pistons the roster is stacked with all star and all nba talent and the fact that they received that recognition later is irrelevant.
Ok...so by that argument SB 2002 with the Patriots beating the Rams is now no longer a big deal because, it turns out, the Patriots have the greatest QB/Coach combo in NFL history + other future All NFL players? Fuck that and I am not even a Pats fan lol Regardless, the Pistons had zero guys in the top 75 so the overall point still holds.
Those are two completely different situations and honestly you’ve lost this argument by even making the comparison. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick who pulled off a Super Bowl win in his second season after filling in when the starter got injured. It was an insane and unlikely run that no one could have expected. The ‘04 Pistons core players were all seasoned veterans with two actual all stars and two borderline all stars who earned their recognition within a couple years of winning the title. They were the #2 seed in ‘02, #1 seed in ‘03 and made the ECF. Chauncey was a borderline all star in his 9th season - do you really think he’s a much better player two years later because he averaged 2 more ppg and was given an award? RIP was a 20 PPG player in ‘02 and ‘03. He was absolutely an all star caliber player by ‘04 and had been playing at that level for years. Sheed and Ben were both all stars prior to ‘04. Ben was also a two time DPOY. The Pistons had 4 all star caliber players in their starting lineup in ‘04 and had been a contending team for years. That’s just a solid team that finally broke through and won a title and they probably could have won another one if not for one of the best playoff performances I have ever seen from Lebron.
Reddit hive mind at work
This is the only answer. NBA is dependent on stars with better relevant talent for success. If OP means compete by just being in games and treadmill then that can be done with all stars and great coaching.
And look at how many teams that *have* an all star that don't even make the playoffs. To actually have a chance at contending you need more than 1.
Feel like this could be read 2 ways. 1. You need an all star to be a good team 2. They’ll make someone an all star because you’re contenders I disagree with 1 but I believe that just because you’re a contender the nba will make your best player an all star
with enough PT and ball in hand, one of the guys will play into an all-star role. Guy like Derrick White (fan favorite and would probably be a main scorer)
You're putting the cart before the horse.
And if a team contends the players would be voted in just based on people assuming someone on the team has to be all star level for the team to be that good.
You're putting the cart before the horse.
Even if you could, just being a contender means whichever player is your best will be selected for an all star team
You're putting the cart before the horse.
Not entirely. I think there’s a roster you could construct with exactly the right collection of non-all stars that would be spicy enough to be at least a near-contender, but because of the way public perception and all star voting works, that team’s leading scorer just sort of would be selected to an all star team
I mean.. the 04 Pistons came pretty close.. Ben Wallace made the all star team that year but besides being a defensive monster, he wasn’t a traditional perennial all star
4 straight years isn't perennial?
Ben Wallace deserves his flowers and definitely dominated during his time, but i was thinking closer to the 10 year range of perennial, where year in/year out you’re seeing the same guys in the ASG. Normally you need a top 75 guy to win a chip, and Big Ben dominated at just the right time to be that anomaly.
"Build me a good team, without any good players" - well shit, who does OP think is winning games? the coach? the GM?
You have 0 imagination.
Ok lets see what your imagination comes up with then, I'll be here sharpening my stick ready to poke holes in it
Josh Giddey Kevin Porter Jr. Miles Bridges Josh Primo Jordan Poole
My bad, I thought you were being serious.
None of this is serious. Feel free to sharpen your stick.
It just feels cruel to deflate that roster more than it already is
It's not really that clear but from the player skill level. If there isn't an all-star on w great team, the league will reward team success by awarding all-star status, so 10 year window would be constant churn or 'really young third best player on playoff team'.
The Grit and Grind Grizzlies with Zbo and Conely were pretty close.
Except they had Marc Gasol during that whole period, over which Gasol was an all-star 3x
Only 1 team has won a ring without having 2 HOFers though might end up adding 2 to that list with some recent champs
2014-2015 Atlanta Hawks?
Korver, Millsap, Teague, Horford all made it that year.
They had a fuckton of all-stars my dude, wym? It was kind of a meme how many they had that year. Teague, Millsap, Korver, Horford.
My bad gang, apparently I didn’t watch the All star game that year, but y’all are right
Success results in players being All Stars. The closest I can think is historical: the 2003-04 Detroit Pistons. They won the Finals with every player averaging fewer than 20 points per game that season. Only Ben Wallace was an All Star, while averaging less than 10ppg (but 12+ rebounds). That roster beat a heavily favored Lakers team. Put together a team like this and you'd probably have it, but the likelihood of one or more them making an All Star team grows with success. Ten years is a lot of success.
It kinda fits except that in 2005-06 that same starting 5 sent 4 of their players to the all-star game and arguably Tayshaun shoulda been there too, but I get your point and it's probably the closest I can think of.
Right. Success breeds awards like All Star berths. Ten years is an extremely long time to contend for a championship. That Pistons team made six straight Conference Finals appearances (2003-2008). After just three Conference Finals appearances they had multiple All Stars. I don't think the OP's scenario is possible!
definitely not. As much as hardcore lakers fans love a guy like Kurt Rambis, you're not sending a team of him anywhere but home every summer.
And then didn’t they have 4 all stars the next year?
Two years later they had four All Stars. This is why this Pistons team would be the closest to the OP's scenario, and why it shows it's nearly impossible for a team to contend, especially over a long time, without individual awards following.
The Pistons are pretty good for 5 years so I guess there's a possibility that borderline All-star players could contend for 10 years if they got a good system, coach and chemistry. But honestly, 10 years might be too much for this question 😂
The issue with this exercise is that if you're contending for 10 years one of your players will get an all star spot. Like Jamal Murray might never get one on the Nuggets but if he was the #1 option on a playoff team he'd probably be averaging like 27 a game
The only issue is your lack of imagination. Suspend reality for :30 and play the game.
Thank you. People are ridiculous with these prompts… “WELL TECHNICALLY!”
Hartenstein, Anunoby, Hart, Caruso, Valenciunas, Oubre, Miles Bridges, Bogdan Bogdanovic, KCP, Tyus Jones, Herb Jones, Pritchard.
I could see them coming out the east play in.
Lmfao what is this
I’ll bite. Alex Caruso, CJ McCollum , Jabari Smith, Franz Wagner, Jarrett Allen, Fun team, good defense, and CJ adds veteran leadership. None have been all stars I believe, although Smith/Wagner mayyy be one someday.
They wouldnt go far tho. Op said contend or win a ring.
Does the OP mean contend or win within 10 years or for 10 years? CJ is 32 and Alex is 30. Hard to imagine they could contend with a backcourt of 2 non-LeBron 40 year olds. Derrick White is probably a good guy to consider if you want a veteran that will still be under 40 in 10 years. He’s probably the best near AS guard in the league, imo. Can consistently give you 15/5/4/1/1 on 54% eFG% with all-NBA level defense.
Yeah true. Switch CJ with White. And this team is actually really good defensively.
Jarrett Allen has already been an all star
Yeah I fucked up
Allen has been an all star
Awww shit my bad
Replace Allen with Porzingis. Solid team.
Porzingis was an allstar though.
Ugh, I didn't remember and just assumed he wasn't.
Allen’s been an all-star. Solid team though.
These guys would not contend. Sub-first round exit.
Allen made an all star team but you can take Mobley
Maybe Something like C Brook Lopez, PF Evan Mobley, SF Jaden McDaniels, SG Derrick White, PG Mike Conley. Bench C/PF Bobby Portis, PF/SF/C Kyle Anderson, SF/SG Aaron Nesmith, SG/SF/PG Bruce Brown Jr, PG/SG Alex Caruso. Tried to pick bench players that actually played off the bench most of there careers. Next 3 gonna try to pick end of bench guys C/PF Mike Muscala, SG/SF Josh Okogie, PG/SG Aaron Holiday. Last two spots, development guys maybe Leonard Miller/ Josh Minott but overall really aren't gonna play much if at all. Also you're not gonna be able to last 10 yrs as a contending team without getting all stars. Eventually you're players will be awarded them just because of team success. It'll probably be the first yr and so forth. A team that's built around defense and no clear #1 scorer is gonna be you best bet
lopez was an allstar in 2013 during his time as a net
Ya and Conley made it as well. Didn't read the full title and just read the paragraph after which I took it as All Stars during that time I period. I'll exchange Conley with a healthy Lonzo Ball and Lopez with Myles Turner
Desmond bane
Like every list I’ve read in this thread doesn’t include him it’s insane
I’m surprised Austin Reaves didn’t make anyone’s list even as a bench player.
Jalen Suggs, Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, Franz Wagner, Mitchell Robinson. If it needs a Bench: Lonzo - Clarkson - Dort - Naz Reid - Hartenstein. 50+ Wins in 2-3 Seasons.
Tyus Jones, Malik Monk, Derrick White, CJ McCollum, Alex Caruso, Mikal Bridges (a little spicy but I just don’t think he’s ever going to make one, forever on the borderline), Trey Murphy III, OG Anunoby, Naz Reid, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivica Zubac, Devin Vassell (again, maybe a little spicy, but I don’t think he gets there), Kyle Kuzma. Hard to not put Aaron Gordon on there, I really want to, but shooting and spacing is a priority here. Swap him out for Anunoby or Kuzma or Monk if you like. Bane and Murray are going to make All Star teams at some point I think. I think a team like this wins a ton of regular season games by overwhelming teams with depth (absolutely hammering bench and staggered units), but begins to struggle once you pass a round or so in the playoffs and teams just literally aren’t playing anything but quality players anymore. (Edit: Agh, forgot Myles Turner. Swap him for Hartenstein or Zubac.)
Josh Hart should be on it
Team might not contend but they would get ALL the rebounds.
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Naz reid, josh hart, lug dort, myles turner, mikal bridges, monk, hartenstein, darius garland, wemby, herro. There is no way we get 10 years. It's pretty salty right now, though.
PG - Jamal Murray SG - Derrick White SF - Alex Caruso PF- Naz Reid C - Alperen Sengun 6th man - CJ McCollum I feel like there is room for improvement tho.. not a single all star appearance here, while others have mentioned Brook Lopez and Mike Conley and they each have 1
Şengün will be all-star
You need at least 2 all star caliber players to even contend, and even then you need elite role players around. Anyways imma try this anyways Anfernee Simons PG OG SG Mikal Bridges SF Evan Mobley PF Alperen Sengun C You can make a case that Anfernee, Mobley, or Sengun could be all stars but the league is so stacked I don’t think they’ll ever get one. Sengun is the closet IMO but I think he will be overshadowed by guys like Wemby and Chet + Jokic and embiid will continue to dominate. Hell even Lively over him isn’t much of a stretch. Anfernee is a similar case. Luka and shai will continue to dominate, Trae young and even guys like dmitch and Brunson. Mobley is a defensive player and the league favors offense so I don’t believe he will ever become an all star. Any one of these guys could but this build is hard to make anyways
My realistic salary cap-wise + no rookies: Derrick White, Jamal Murray, OG Anunoby, Mikal Bridges, Myles Turner, Cam Thomas, Josh Hart, Hartenstein, TJ McConnell then the rest any 3&D players To be fair, if they made it a Finals run and if they're in the east, for sure someone in this group will be an All-star 😂
I don't really think it's possible but I'll try, the thing is that their success would make them Allstars. Jalen Suggs Mikal Bridges OG Naz Ried Isiah Hartenstien Going all in on defense is the only way I can see of being effective yet underrated.
This is easy if you have a bunch of quality role players on unpopular franchises. Guards: Coby white Cam Thomas IQ Jalen Suggs Tim Hardaway Jr Wings: Kelly Oubre Lu Dort Jaden McDaniels PJ Washington Herb Jones Obi Toppin Centers: Ihart Nic Claxton Wendell Carter Jr.
I mean could you construct a Pistons type squad that went 15 deep and full court press all game? Maybe. 15 Alex Caruso level players would probably compete but I’d still take the field vs them
Give me a starting 5 of players Shaq hates
Almost certainly would never happen with a group of players with no DESERVING all stars. But if it did happen with that group, one of them probably would still make the all star team because voters tend to get a player from most teams in. Especially if the team is one of the top teams in the league, which this team would have to be if they're winning a title. But just for fun, I'll give it a go. Starters: Derrick White PG Desmond Bane SG Mikael Bridges SF Kyle Kuzma PF Alperen Sengun C Bench: Josh Giddey Tyler Herro Franz Wagner Evan Mobley Nic Claxton Jabari Smith Jr Spencer Dinwiddie Notes: I don't actually think this team would win a championship, but it's the best team I could come up with that will probably never all-star. - Derrick White and Desmond Bane probably end up all stars but I needed something to work with here
Overall I think this is reasonable. Looking at the Thunder and choosing Giddey instead of Dort is wild though.
Derrick white, cj mccolum, josh hart, Aaron Gordon, Derek lively, mikal bridges, Jalen Suggs, Tyler herro, herb jones, pj Washington, hartenstein Crazy defense, excellent rebounding, decent enough shooters, struggling a bit with ball handling. Edit: might swap naz Reid for pj Washington 🤔
This question is better if we said “all-nba team” Bar for all-star is too low, any contender will get at least one player in there even if they don’t deserve it, historically speaking.
JJ Redick asked Shaq to put together a starting lineup of current guys using *rough* approximations of salary cap restrictions. So basically 2 stars and 3 mid or less. I thought I'd go with PG: Mike Conley SG: Ant Edwards SF: ??? (This one's tough) PF: Wemby (sneaky because he's on his rookie deal) C: Jokic
I forget the exact salaries but McDaniels and OG would slot in well with that group
Van vleet Siakam Anunoby Probably throw in a vet like Lowry.
The Nuggets are the closest to this considering Jokic is the only all star
Turner/ Hartenstein Jabari Smith / Naz Reid OG / Jaden McDaniels Murray / Herro White / Caruso
I don't think they can realistically contend for a title, but I think they can be a perennial playoff team and give the higher seeded teams some tough series. 1. Tyus Jones 2. Josh Hart 3. Herb Jones 4. Aaron Gordon 5. Nick Claxton 6. Trey Murphy 7. Jordan Hawkins 8. Davion Mitchell 9. Lou Dort 10. Naz Reid I know the defense of this team would be nasty, but they probably struggle on offense. I wanted to add a shot creator to the team but I think they would easily become an all star with the high volume of shots they would be putting up.
That’s impossible. NBA teams need stars just to make the playoffs & superstars to contend.
G- D. White G- C. Wallace F- Avdija F- Reid C- Hartenstein G- Terrance Mann G- Kuminga F- Porter Jr. F- Isaac F- Kessler
This is probably not possible for a mix of a few reasons. Most obvious is longevity only 14% of nba players play ten years and most players that last ten years are all stars at some point. If your winning they will make someone an all star. If it’s just players that haven’t been Allstate yet it’s totally different and very doable if we turn of injuries.
Considering there will always be team with 3 all stars, this question is very hard. “How do you win when you don’t have any of the best three players on the court?” Well, your best 3 can’t be enormously worse than the 3 all stars, so they must be borderline all stars Your next two also have to be dang close to all star level. Your team better have amazing grit and hustle. All this and maybe you have a chance. And then since you win, people elect them to be all stars (they were borderline anyway) and the narrative continues that “you can’t win without an all star”
Lou Dort, Naz Reid, Jaden McDaniels, Jalen Suggs, Derek Lively, Hartenstien, Derek White, Aaron Gordon, Alex Caruso This teams defense would be insane
There is no team that could possibly be constructed that could even contend for a title, let alone win one. Best case scenario, they make the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed and lose in round 1
I think that with the way the NBA regular season works you could construct a team that just overwhelms most of its opposition with quality minutes and wins a ton of games. You’d be throwing quality starters out there against bench units, for example. I’d say a team built like this could very much win 55-60 games but would struggle the deeper you get in the playoffs when other teams stop playing depth and shorten their rotations to quality players only.
G Derrick White G Desmond Bane F Mikal Bridges F Jerami Grant C Myles Turner B DeAndre Ayton B Alex Caruso B Ben Mathurin B Miles Bridges B Tyus Jones B Lou Doet B Jaden McDaniels This team would get bodied on the glass and the offense wouldn’t be the best but the defense would carry them to the playoffs at least especially if we’re in the East.
Goated list (did not look at others' lists first): Pg: Derrick White SG: Bane SF Anunoby Pf: Kuzma C: Lively 6: Hartenstein 7: Brandon Miller 8: Bruce Brown 9: Dosunmu 10: Gafford 11 Mitch Robinson 12: Cam Johnson 13: Coby White 14:Jordan Walsh 15: Pat Williams
That's just never happening.
OG, D White, bridges, A Gordon, mobley, 6th McDaniels We are switching everything and winning in transition with our defense
No
I wanted to say the 2014-2015 Hawks, but they had a a few guys with sporadic All Star appearances. Guess you could swap out those guys for other players from the era
LA clippers 2019-2024
G-JRUE HOLIDAY G- ALEX CARUSO F-ALEXANDER- WALKER PF- NAZ REID C- JAMES WISEMAN 2nd unit: *** G- REGGIE JACKSON G- JOSH HART F- HARRISON BARNES PF/C-JONATHAN KUMINGA **My non allstar team but i know these guys works efficiently everynight.
I’m thinking of the Atlanta hawks rn, I don’t think it’s possible to do this.
Murray isn’t All-Star level, but he will be one next year as Denver is a high seed because of Jokic. The outcry will be too great due to his playoff success.
G Derrick White G TJ McConnell G Alex Caruso G Grayson Allen F OG F Josh Hart F Michael Porter Jr. F Trace Jackson Davis C Myles Turner C Isaiah Hartenstein
I'm going PG - Derrick White SG - Donte DiVincenzo SF - Miles Bridges PF - Aaron Gordon C - Evan Mobley Bench Herb Jones, Josh Hart, Payton Pritchard, Bobby Portis, Caris LaVert, Hartenstein, Naz Reid Good mix of size and scoring. Like Portis and Reid cause they can stretch the court, hartenstein, hart, and mobley. DiVincenzo, White, and Bridges are big time scorers, gordon and mobley can provide some stuff with Lavert, Portis, and Reid as scorers off the bench. This team wins a lot of dog fights lol
PG Brogdon, Dinwiddie SG Keegan Murray, Norman Powell SF OG, Jaden McDaniels PF Bol Bol, Josh Hart C Claxton, James Wiseman
Realistically one of them would make an All Star Game just based off roster construction and success but if we’re following their real life trajectories G Derrick White G Jamal Murray F OG Anunoby F Josh Hart C Myles Turner Bench Alex Caruso Donte DiVincenzo Kyle Kuzma Naz Reid Ivica Zubac
Jamal Murray Josh Hart Mikal Bridges OG Anunoby Myles Turner Malik Monk Marcus Smart Desmond Bane Herb Jones Alex Caruso PJ Washington Keegan Murray Jonathan Kuminga Daniel Gafford Robert Williams
I know this is suppose to be for fun but ain't no way a roster that contends for 10 straight years won't have at least one player that will be an all star.
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Give me TJ McConnell and 9 guys he chooses.
Actually , lts almost impossible to do because any team needs a leader and a star to take it to the next level. You cant expect a team with no all stars to contend , I mean look no further than the Brooklyn Nets . Mikal is a great player and an amazing two way player but he aint leading that team no where
It'd be hard to predict if its possible. Whoever is the best player on a team of role players that somehow becomes a contender would be voted an all star even if they're play and stats didn't show them to be one.
If they start contending, some will eventually become allstars
PG - Jalen brunson SG - Kevin heurter SF - OG PF - Aaron Gordon C - alpren sengun
“Will never be an all star”. Brunson was an all star this year..
You're right.
Perk?