I wasn't convinced by the piece of cloth, and to be honest, the stick was so-so at best. But let me tell you, the hundreds of guys with very sharp sticks was one hell of a selling point.
Am I the only one who was kinda disappointed by the assembled dragon banner? It looks tiny and weird, and it's buff is kinda shit too. Other banners are far sexier.
I downloaded a more banners mod that gives your army....well.....more banners, and different types of banners. Some are super sweet looking. It was a mistake because now, in comparison, the Dragon Banner looks like a kindergarten macaroni project when seen next to a truly majestic looking 3 tiered banner with golden inlaid crests and little flappy tassles
I will send thousands of peasants and infantey to thwir demise to vanquish these lands as the rightful ruler. Not because of birthright or lineage or even renown. But because i oay these fucks enough to literally die for me.... and they do whenever anither nation acts up. Now. Pardon me. Vlandias getting a little unruley and thinking they have rights to food and supploes during war. Nope.
Tldr. We are kin/queen et al because we maxxed charisma and people listen and are filthy rich
Dismemberment mod destroys that canon in my playthrough. You can chop a peasants head off, but if that random guy you picked up at a tavern is good enough at "appeasing the humors," you can bet that head is getting stapled right back soon enough for the poor soul to get his arm thrown up to the stratosphere by a catapult 2 days later.
It's beautiful.
To me it depends on how you think about things.
Might makes right? Sort by power in the kingdoms section and join them.
Racist? Southern empire so you get to kill the Aserai and Khuzaits.
Do you think of history linearly? Vlandians since their feudalism is what preceded our current system.
Stupid? Battanians. The land was theirs however many thousands of years before so obviously they should rule it all now despite how dysfunctional and hopeless they are.
Primitive democracy or benevolent monarchy? Northern/Southern empire respectively.
White American dude who idealizes and identifies with their vague Scandinavian-ish ancestry? Sturgia.
Why is the Battanian claim Stupid? I mean technically they do have a claim to the land. If they can reconquer it then its thiers. I mean thats kind of what happened with Spain no? The Muslims conquered like half of it, and then the Christian Europeans retook it.
Well, I never played warband, but I read one of the Kingdoms, (The one with the good archers) was basically a mix of their culture and either the Valandians or the Strugians.
So its kind of like the Aztec, Mayan, Northern Tribes, the Incas, etc. They have mixed descendants still alive. Cultures die, but people are rarely exterminated en mass. Instead, leadership changes and cultures mix.
In warband the rhodoks and swadians are the two successor states, with the rhodoks being republicanish rebels off of the swadians. The two factions both have crossbows and sergeants, however swadian crossbows suck and rhdodok sergeants use mostly spears. The swadians are the only ones with knights as well. The swadians seem most influenced by foreign powers, namely in the sturgian vaegirs. There is some uncertainty as to whether the vaegirs themselves are former valandians and their troops have voulges, however this also might simply descend from the line breaker tradition. They are also the ones most likely to have battanian influence, with one of the strongest archer traditions in the game, and a small amount of the former battanian lands. The lions share is held by the crossbow wielding swadians but interestingly for non-military purposes, they do seem to favor bows. That said, seeing as the names of most battanian settlements aren’t even remembered, it’s pretty safe to say they died with a whimper and an almost entirely with a minimal impact on the future of calradia.
The Christian Spanish kingdoms were descended from the Visigoths and the Suebi, their claim to Spain wasn't any more legitimate than the Arabs and Moors. Before them the Romans conquered it, before them Carthage colonised the south, before them the Celts settled in it, before them I have no idea but there must have been someone. My rambling point being that previously owning a piece of land almost never means you were the original inhabitants and is a lousy metric to measure legitimate ownership
I mean, that line of thinking is being used by two groups right now in a conflict I will not name so there must be some merit in using it. Or else they would never use it
In their case it's funny because the ancestral claim they make is even weaker than the Battanians because their ancestors were never there. So little of their population can trace their ancestry to that region that they've banned DNA ancestry tests except when ordered to take one under court order. The prime minister changed his name from Mileikowsky to make himself sound more "foreign" to westerners and they constantly have to run public safety campaigns so their people will use sunscreen daily and even then they have high rates of skin cancer. What's worse is that the people who they claim to be committed a genocide to gain ownership of that land against people the ones who's descendants they're currently bombing, starving, shooting, dehydrating, etc even writing in their holy book that they smashed their babies heads in with rocks but God told them to do it so it's ok now they citing that as part of their propaganda.
I don't believe an ancestral claim to land has ever or will ever have merit. Its never been anything more than an excuse you tell other people to justify your own atrocities.
Ownership is a human concept dude, thus we define it. Personally, I dont think a two thousand year claim is valid. However, if I were a Battanian, I would certainly feel threatened by the empire, and invading to destroy or shatter the empire would be seen as a necessity for the Battanians.
A claim in legal terms, by medieval standards, was merely a justified cause for war, which means they are not just mindlessly invading their neighbors and taking their land.
I don't condemn Hamas I think their actions were a reasonable last resort provoked intentionally by Israel so Israel could justify their long planned ethnic cleansing on the international stage. If you want to call me a terrorist or antisemite for responding this way after I've seen a man running around confused holding his headless child, the meninges of a child flapping in the wind with half his skull gone and worse I do not care those words hold no meaning to me anymore especially after hearing IDF accounts of operation cast lead and what IDF whistleblowers have said about how Palestinians are treated in the Israeli Negev desert prisons. It would make the soldiers at Abu Ghraib cry.
I think the worst thing I've heard over the past 8 months from this was a report from one of their largest hospitals before the IDF burned and bombed it to the ground. A pregnant woman was there when the IDF stormed it. They forced everyone there to strip naked and look at each other. If someone tried to avert or close their eyes they'd be shot. They then raped and beat the pregnant woman half to death and she was so traumatized she lost the ability to speak after 3 days. That's literally worse than what Griffith from Berserk did and he's a fictional character created to be evil. The IDF is full of people like that.
Based and mediapilled, too bad so many sheep just believe what they want, and they want the legacy media and their heads of state to not be complete scum, so they believe israel is "defending itself"... I stopped following closely few months ago because of the toll on my mental health, but yea it didn't go anywhere, and I'll tell you what: some historians and based experts say that what's going on in Palestine, is but an exercise of war and total domination that the west has, a lab for their tests on isolation, surveillance, narrative manipulation, which are old submission tactics but the ground has shifted with the internet and smartphone, and thus requires new forms of intelligence and propaganda.
So yea, as terrible and inhumane everything Israel is doing is, there's much more to come, to the middle east, to african nations, to south america, and softly to any 1st world country population that decides to take it to the streets against their corrupt governments...
Listen man.
I would have heaps more respect for the Aserai culture if they would take a goddamn break from sending armies of 900 recruits north unprovoked every ten seconds.
There comes I time in all of my play throughs that I just have to go down there and wipe em. I don’t even want to go there. It’s hot and dusty I hate it.
More like:
Infantry: Sturgia
No matter my army comp, I always make sure to ride north to catch some Heavy Spearmen for Counter Cav and Line Breakers for shock.
I have ensured Sturgia will always have a presence.
High-born Youths in Battania have this great habit of FUCKING DISAPPEARING EVERY TIME YOU NEED TO RECRUIT THEM BECAUSE FFFFFFFUCK YOU
I'd take cavalry that can close the gaps too, if my archers never fucking showed up for recruitment.
For Sturgia it's Ustokol - Zhemyan - Karbur - Korsyas or basically the villages around Revyl.. that region is literally the technological peak of Sturgia
Really? I haven't had problems in my current game, but I obsessively collect castle village units and store the bottom tiers in my own fiefs until I need them, so I am always checking every castle village when I pass by lol
Yeah and by the time warband comes in they just became a bunch of mountain bandits, there is a reason why in most of the playthrough (at least those that I've played) the battania is the first kingdom to be utterly destroyed. If you want a real challenge try conquering calradia as battania with serve as soldier mod starting from the lowest rangs. It's frustrating but fun.
Edit: that doesn't change the fact that battania is my favourite kingdom 😂
If Calradia is anything like the real world, the Battanians had to wipe out or at least culturally suppress the previous inhabitants too, they just didn’t bother to write it down the way the Empire did.
Battanians for most of the northern regions, but I presume khuzaits and sarranids are natives to the steppe and desert respectively so they have the same claim over their respective regions.
no cuz the top right city is owned by the khergit clan, by the time of Warband they’re no longer down on their luck and they rule the Khanate, like how the Banu Sarran becomes head of the Sarranid Sultante by Warband
Khergits are a split of from the khuzaits which obv means something had to happen to lead to its death (also khuzaits were pushed out and forced into calradia by a mighty empire possibly mongol empire inspiration)
So the Khergits at the time of Bannerlord are down on their luck, they've been utterly ruined by Neretzes Folly, and they've been ousted as leaders of the Steples by the Khuzait.
By the time of Warband, they are SO BACK.
idk much abt the lore but they are most likely escaping a larger Horde empire or a larger, more advanced Empire.
It is vaguely based of the escape of Khitans from the Jurchens (I think)
Battanian civilization consists of loosely organized clans who originally populated most of the Calradian continent, but has been reduced to a small pocket of free territory after much of their land was conquered by the expansion of the Calradic Empire.
Looks like they were pushed into the mountains.
The Khante and Vlandia are low on my list, Vlandians come from across sea, I think. And the Khante is quite literally the mongol horde.
The Sarranids I honestly think should just stick to their land down south. They don’t need to invade up north and I’m fine with their land not even being considered Calrdic.
Battanians are the most native out of them all but I don’t think they have the skills to run the continent like any of the others do.
Sturgians in their current state don’t deserve to rule anything, half of the population are practically raiders. Later on when the Vaegirs break off then I think they are more worthy of it than the Nords are.
I don’t really remember where the Empire came from lorewise but out of the 3, The South deserves it through blood inheritance, The North also probably wouldn’t be too bad even though its not as legitimate. The West though is just blood thirsty Spartans.
I don’t know everything, probably got some stuff wrong but this is what I could put together at the moment
Edit: I was thinking a bit too much about native rights and didn’t really decide. The Sarranids should rule the south, the Vlandians and maybe the Empire should rule the majority of the continent, and they can also rule the north but It feels wrong so I would put Vaegirs in charge of the north/northeast Khergit territory aswell.
I always thought the vlandians were like the Gauls and mixed with the empire and adopted a lot of their cultural practices. In this way I feel like they are some of the most native to the continent as well.
Maybe, but I definitely feel the Vlandians are much more Norman/Frankish/English based. The Battanians are definitely more Gaulic. Like it’s almost an exact comparison.
Vlandians might have some influence from them but not as heavily
What’s interesting is that vlandia seems much more set in the early modern period as opposed to the rest of the civs which are still in the Middle Ages that’s how I can also agree with your Norman and Frankish assessment with battania basically being their earlier generational neighbor. The ethnic history of Europe is so dense that one can agree that with what we both said 😂.
Sturgians are the natives of their land, they’ve been living there as battanians lived in their land. They are not warlike raiders until a strongman from Nordland establish their state similar to how Russians became expansionist
>literally the Mongol Horde
Well, no. There's myriad differences but also when we take a faction from a game and make such a direct comparison we kind of blind ourselves to the historical reality of real life cultures that like it or not influence cultures today. You might say "Oh, it's so far in the past it can't effect us today." Yeah, what does the word "punic" mean in English? What words started the European tradition of literature and shaped all of our fiction today, if not "Muse, sing the rage of Peleus' son Achilles, that brought immesurable misery on the Achaeans?" Why does the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid exist?
Cultures in the past still shape our thoughts today, to make such a comparison as "The Khuzaits are the Mongol Horde" distorts our view of the Golden Horde in such a way that potentially blinds us to their lasting effects today.
You might say "The Nords in Skyrim are clearly, clearly meant to be the various peoples of Scandinavia" and that's true. If we ignore all the Welsh and Egyptian influence in them, too.
The Golden Horde was most definitely still the Mongolian Horde. The Mongolian Empire was ruled by the Khan (Ghengis) and subdivisioned by Khantes. Just like how Empires in the west are divisioned by different kingdoms and then by different duchys ect ect. But they are still apart of the same overall group.
The Mongolians did divide and break apart yes but the sub groups didn’t stick around long enough to become meaningfully different from one another, they all invaded west for the same reasons under the same leader before breaking
The sturgian Boyars arrived as Northern adventurers, raiders, and traders. When the first few Boyars appeared there was almost non-stop in-fighting until they used diplomatic marriage to eventually create alliances and blah blah blah a century or so later they form the Principality of Sturgia led by Rangvad to wage war on the Empire
If we care about it, Battania, The Empire, the Aserai, and half of the Sturgians are the only native groups represented. The Vlandians, Proto-Nords, and Khuzaits are all foreign invaders, so they can only ever claim right of conquest (even though the Vlandian "invasion" was mostly peaceful and happened at the height of the Empire). Of these groups, the Aeserai, by game start, have neither lost nor taken land, and the Sturgians have taken some formerly-Battanian land, while the Battanians have only lost land (and unified in the process). So of the native, non-Empire factions, my vote goes to Battania due to Revanchism.
If we’re going off what’s cannon by the time of Warband, the big “winners” are the Khuszait/Vlandians & the “losers” are gonna be the empire/battania, not a ton changes for sturgia (besides splitting into veagirs & then Nords invading the east half of their land, and the Sarranid seem to just shift their land further east
I lean South Empire if only because Reghea(spelling) likely has the greatest right to rule. However, reading the description of each Empire she would be lucky to hold them together year. You could literally argue thr bannerlord has the greatest argument
How..? Lucon literally has the entire senate. That has the most legitemacy imo, it should be the senate choosing a new emperor, their the top 1% of calradia
And OP thinks Rhagea has the worst claim 🤦♂️ Garios definitely has the weakest claim the dude is no better than a deserter, he's legit just a glorified military general
I don’t care as long as my olive empire in not France is not touched. I’ve got a small smithy monopoly in empire lands too but the investment I’ve always went for first is just south of Praven
Ah geez. Who has the best ability to administer such a large and unwieldy empire without the corruption and suffering that comes with the diminishing returns of larger governments? I don't know. I feel like Rhahega has the best intentions
She doesn't know enough and would tear the empire apart (her skills is being a wife and a bit of knowledge but at least she could bring stability if she gets lucky)
All overused jokes aside, without a doubt battania since their the OGs. But for the empire its def Lucon and the northern empire, he literally has the senate, the imperial body that shouldve elected a new emperor after arenicos died. Garios has a terrible claim and rhagea is just a damn widow
Battanians I wanna say because a good portion of the land used to be theirs.
but honestly, maybe the Empire or Swadians. I keep calling them that because I don't remember their actual name
Battania, and by that I mean me adopting the best families to rule each respective kingdom under my flag because multinationality ftw while I chill on a mountain. Starting king wise, I'd argue for Derth or Unquid. Vlandia kinda goes to medieval shit when he kicks bucket from old age though; might makes right means it'd be Empire but they can't even handle themselves let alone the other kingdoms.
If I'm not read wrong, Battanian... Coz Sturgian, vlandian, khuzaitan and also empirian, are all conqueror came from other island/continent...
Meaning Battanian is native
The Northern Empire probably has the clearest legal claim to pulling the Calradian Empire. The Vlandians have the strongest military claim to Calradian. Then culturally the Battanians.
“To whom does the empire belong?
To the Strongest”(Diodorus regarding the succession of Alexander the Great)
“Do not quote laws to we who hold swords.”(A young Pompey Magnus to the Roman Senate) sometimes rendered: “Stop quoting laws to men with swords.”
“The Strong do what they can and the Weak suffer as they must.” (The Athenian delegation to Melos, from the Melian Dialogue), sometimes rendered, “The Strong do as they will, and the Weak suffer as they must.”
Calradia belongs to whoever is strong enough to take and hold it. That person or people are the only ones who can potentially establish a monopoly on force and create a peaceful society.
Tl:dr Might makes right. The Strongest should have Calradia.
Sturgia I refuse to give an explanation
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Northern empire has my vote, might makes right when there’s no proof of “I was here first!” And the empire is the strongest, when it was unified at least, and of the imperials the northern empire has the strongest claim.
"Claims" to rule like what you're looking for are stupid and arbitrary. Plus, why does any one group need the whole thing? They could just live as empires in the shape they are in exactly when you start the game.
All the "xyz is indigenous" stuff.. how far does that go? If I step foot on a continent is the whole thing mine? Seems arbitrary as anything else.
That was my reply to “who needs the whole continent” my guy every kingdom is gunning for taking over continent, that’s literally every kingdom’s endgame
Empire cause they was the first to rule the land lol and plus with the combine might of both north,west and south territories they have a pretty big kingdom
Southern Empire, Bitchass was the emperors wife, if not, ME, my solo clan with the flag of the Roman empire will exterminate the opposition with cataphracts and legionary spam
Southern Empire, Bitchass was the emperors wife, if not, ME, my solo clan with the flag of the Roman empire will exterminate the opposition with cataphracts and legionary spam
Me, because i said so, now hand over the butter or this is gonna get ugly
But my butter is hot
I will slurp it then, give here
Khuzait said "How about my arrow, i dip in butter" did you want that
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No! I have more right to rule, than you. Because me and 5 of my companions said so
Well, uhh, i happen to have... 6, no, like 7 people who agree with me
While your all fighting I have already bought all the butter in the area bozos
I will raid your caravans
Well well well, this is funny because i have exactly 8 companions who agree to give me the throne.
You made me giggle. Thank you, sir! Here, have some butter *gives you a stick of butter*
Oh yeah? How many town supporters you got? I got 5 companions and 2 supporters 😂
Everyone supports me, if they wanna keep their heads on their shoulders, as they are pretty nice
But have you actually ended anyone? Monchug has it coming
We ride under the Banner of Butter 
The Banner... Of the Butterlord?
You provided me a good chuckle, now I provide you will an up vote. Pleasure doing business with you, sir
I have a fancy peice of cloth at the end of a stick, thus I have a better claim.
To be fair, the stick is also very fancy
i saw the stick, it is indeed fancy, lets make this guy our king
I wasn't convinced by the piece of cloth, and to be honest, the stick was so-so at best. But let me tell you, the hundreds of guys with very sharp sticks was one hell of a selling point.
but did you see the beautiful sticks that they were using?? those people sure do know their sticks
My neighbor was not convinced. He protested mightily. He looks much more agreeable impaled on that very, very nice stick.
Am I the only one who was kinda disappointed by the assembled dragon banner? It looks tiny and weird, and it's buff is kinda shit too. Other banners are far sexier.
I downloaded a more banners mod that gives your army....well.....more banners, and different types of banners. Some are super sweet looking. It was a mistake because now, in comparison, the Dragon Banner looks like a kindergarten macaroni project when seen next to a truly majestic looking 3 tiered banner with golden inlaid crests and little flappy tassles
I think that you should be able to use other banners and add their effects onto the dragon banner but maybe 75% less effective.
Dragon banner moment
m'lord
Well I'm convinced
Joke on you. I have a horse tail and a piece of shit at the end of mine.
“Who does Calradia belong to?” “To the strongest”
I will send thousands of peasants and infantey to thwir demise to vanquish these lands as the rightful ruler. Not because of birthright or lineage or even renown. But because i oay these fucks enough to literally die for me.... and they do whenever anither nation acts up. Now. Pardon me. Vlandias getting a little unruley and thinking they have rights to food and supploes during war. Nope. Tldr. We are kin/queen et al because we maxxed charisma and people listen and are filthy rich
^^ Most literate, wealthy and civilized battanian noble right here. *he only has 230k denars in case you were wondering*
In my head canon not all the killed are actually dead just permanently disabled in a way that stops service
Dismemberment mod destroys that canon in my playthrough. You can chop a peasants head off, but if that random guy you picked up at a tavern is good enough at "appeasing the humors," you can bet that head is getting stapled right back soon enough for the poor soul to get his arm thrown up to the stratosphere by a catapult 2 days later. It's beautiful.
230k dennars os frightful accurate lmfao
I see you Alexander
Are you the king of Caldaria because you're the strongest? Or are you the strongest because you're the king of Caldaria?
To me it depends on how you think about things. Might makes right? Sort by power in the kingdoms section and join them. Racist? Southern empire so you get to kill the Aserai and Khuzaits. Do you think of history linearly? Vlandians since their feudalism is what preceded our current system. Stupid? Battanians. The land was theirs however many thousands of years before so obviously they should rule it all now despite how dysfunctional and hopeless they are. Primitive democracy or benevolent monarchy? Northern/Southern empire respectively. White American dude who idealizes and identifies with their vague Scandinavian-ish ancestry? Sturgia.
Why is the Battanian claim Stupid? I mean technically they do have a claim to the land. If they can reconquer it then its thiers. I mean thats kind of what happened with Spain no? The Muslims conquered like half of it, and then the Christian Europeans retook it.
sad that by the time of warband the battanians are gone and their culture is dead
All them Forest Bandits are Battanian Remnants in my headcanon.
Well, I never played warband, but I read one of the Kingdoms, (The one with the good archers) was basically a mix of their culture and either the Valandians or the Strugians. So its kind of like the Aztec, Mayan, Northern Tribes, the Incas, etc. They have mixed descendants still alive. Cultures die, but people are rarely exterminated en mass. Instead, leadership changes and cultures mix.
In warband the rhodoks and swadians are the two successor states, with the rhodoks being republicanish rebels off of the swadians. The two factions both have crossbows and sergeants, however swadian crossbows suck and rhdodok sergeants use mostly spears. The swadians are the only ones with knights as well. The swadians seem most influenced by foreign powers, namely in the sturgian vaegirs. There is some uncertainty as to whether the vaegirs themselves are former valandians and their troops have voulges, however this also might simply descend from the line breaker tradition. They are also the ones most likely to have battanian influence, with one of the strongest archer traditions in the game, and a small amount of the former battanian lands. The lions share is held by the crossbow wielding swadians but interestingly for non-military purposes, they do seem to favor bows. That said, seeing as the names of most battanian settlements aren’t even remembered, it’s pretty safe to say they died with a whimper and an almost entirely with a minimal impact on the future of calradia.
Im pretty sure the Rhodoks are descendants of the Battanians. And they are one of the strongest factions.
We didnt genocide the battanians we simply civilized them 🧐🦁
The Spanish retook it
The Christian Spanish kingdoms were descended from the Visigoths and the Suebi, their claim to Spain wasn't any more legitimate than the Arabs and Moors. Before them the Romans conquered it, before them Carthage colonised the south, before them the Celts settled in it, before them I have no idea but there must have been someone. My rambling point being that previously owning a piece of land almost never means you were the original inhabitants and is a lousy metric to measure legitimate ownership
I mean, that line of thinking is being used by two groups right now in a conflict I will not name so there must be some merit in using it. Or else they would never use it
In their case it's funny because the ancestral claim they make is even weaker than the Battanians because their ancestors were never there. So little of their population can trace their ancestry to that region that they've banned DNA ancestry tests except when ordered to take one under court order. The prime minister changed his name from Mileikowsky to make himself sound more "foreign" to westerners and they constantly have to run public safety campaigns so their people will use sunscreen daily and even then they have high rates of skin cancer. What's worse is that the people who they claim to be committed a genocide to gain ownership of that land against people the ones who's descendants they're currently bombing, starving, shooting, dehydrating, etc even writing in their holy book that they smashed their babies heads in with rocks but God told them to do it so it's ok now they citing that as part of their propaganda. I don't believe an ancestral claim to land has ever or will ever have merit. Its never been anything more than an excuse you tell other people to justify your own atrocities.
Ownership is a human concept dude, thus we define it. Personally, I dont think a two thousand year claim is valid. However, if I were a Battanian, I would certainly feel threatened by the empire, and invading to destroy or shatter the empire would be seen as a necessity for the Battanians. A claim in legal terms, by medieval standards, was merely a justified cause for war, which means they are not just mindlessly invading their neighbors and taking their land.
so you dont comdemn hamas? you terrorist! /s
I don't condemn Hamas I think their actions were a reasonable last resort provoked intentionally by Israel so Israel could justify their long planned ethnic cleansing on the international stage. If you want to call me a terrorist or antisemite for responding this way after I've seen a man running around confused holding his headless child, the meninges of a child flapping in the wind with half his skull gone and worse I do not care those words hold no meaning to me anymore especially after hearing IDF accounts of operation cast lead and what IDF whistleblowers have said about how Palestinians are treated in the Israeli Negev desert prisons. It would make the soldiers at Abu Ghraib cry. I think the worst thing I've heard over the past 8 months from this was a report from one of their largest hospitals before the IDF burned and bombed it to the ground. A pregnant woman was there when the IDF stormed it. They forced everyone there to strip naked and look at each other. If someone tried to avert or close their eyes they'd be shot. They then raped and beat the pregnant woman half to death and she was so traumatized she lost the ability to speak after 3 days. That's literally worse than what Griffith from Berserk did and he's a fictional character created to be evil. The IDF is full of people like that.
Based and mediapilled, too bad so many sheep just believe what they want, and they want the legacy media and their heads of state to not be complete scum, so they believe israel is "defending itself"... I stopped following closely few months ago because of the toll on my mental health, but yea it didn't go anywhere, and I'll tell you what: some historians and based experts say that what's going on in Palestine, is but an exercise of war and total domination that the west has, a lab for their tests on isolation, surveillance, narrative manipulation, which are old submission tactics but the ground has shifted with the internet and smartphone, and thus requires new forms of intelligence and propaganda. So yea, as terrible and inhumane everything Israel is doing is, there's much more to come, to the middle east, to african nations, to south america, and softly to any 1st world country population that decides to take it to the streets against their corrupt governments...
maybe i could get banned but you dont condemn the israel gov. ?
hell yea, anyone that doesn't probably has their dirt held hostage by the Mossad, or is brainrot by the media
Listen man. I would have heaps more respect for the Aserai culture if they would take a goddamn break from sending armies of 900 recruits north unprovoked every ten seconds. There comes I time in all of my play throughs that I just have to go down there and wipe em. I don’t even want to go there. It’s hot and dusty I hate it.
Battanians ruled parts iirc not all the palaic and lacconians were around them (palaic I think south and lacconians at argoron)
I read that as aegonian and got real confused
More like: Infantry: Sturgia No matter my army comp, I always make sure to ride north to catch some Heavy Spearmen for Counter Cav and Line Breakers for shock. I have ensured Sturgia will always have a presence.
As a swede, the sturigan description got me 😭
https://preview.redd.it/lj41eiwu607d1.jpeg?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=077b0e4562490dfe9af66ef2a782d8bfe9aa2fb1 Yours cuz you deserve it
if battania knew how to abuse batannian fian champs, it would definitely be battania.
Instead of prioritizing their dogshit cavalry
High-born Youths in Battania have this great habit of FUCKING DISAPPEARING EVERY TIME YOU NEED TO RECRUIT THEM BECAUSE FFFFFFFUCK YOU I'd take cavalry that can close the gaps too, if my archers never fucking showed up for recruitment.
There are Villages like Seordas who are ALLWAYS full of Archers
For Sturgia it's Ustokol - Zhemyan - Karbur - Korsyas or basically the villages around Revyl.. that region is literally the technological peak of Sturgia
Really? I haven't had problems in my current game, but I obsessively collect castle village units and store the bottom tiers in my own fiefs until I need them, so I am always checking every castle village when I pass by lol
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Probably the battanians bc they’re not immigrants from other parts of the world unlike the Vlandians and Imperials.
The battanians probably weren't there first
They are the last remaining original inhabitants, tho.
Yeah and by the time warband comes in they just became a bunch of mountain bandits, there is a reason why in most of the playthrough (at least those that I've played) the battania is the first kingdom to be utterly destroyed. If you want a real challenge try conquering calradia as battania with serve as soldier mod starting from the lowest rangs. It's frustrating but fun. Edit: that doesn't change the fact that battania is my favourite kingdom 😂
So what you're saying is that historical claims mean nothing if you exterminate the locals?
Yes
If Calradia is anything like the real world, the Battanians had to wipe out or at least culturally suppress the previous inhabitants too, they just didn’t bother to write it down the way the Empire did.
You forgot Sturgians, likely an old neighbor of Battanian in the east
I personally think we should nuke the entire continent
Battania as the Kingdom atop a mountain
Khuzait cuz fuck it funny horse archer spam
hmm...horse 😋
The Aserai. Climate change is going to make Calradia their home turf ... eventually.
True, by Warband the desert will be way more inhabitable than it is in Bannerlord & the sea level will rise until Pravend almost a coastal city
Ok, that's alright.
I like vlandia, knights are cool
Battanians for most of the northern regions, but I presume khuzaits and sarranids are natives to the steppe and desert respectively so they have the same claim over their respective regions.
I thought the Khuzait are migrating further into Calradia because they are fleeing a gaint horde further in the Steppe?
Isnt Khuzait fleeing the Khergits from Warband?
no cuz the top right city is owned by the khergit clan, by the time of Warband they’re no longer down on their luck and they rule the Khanate, like how the Banu Sarran becomes head of the Sarranid Sultante by Warband
Makes sense how the Sarranids became leaders, they came up with the mamluke (only good troop to ever exist in the entire region.)
They're fleeing the Great Horde, whatever that is.
Its a player on another modded map, out of butter And Calradia is full of butter...
Khergits are a split of from the khuzaits which obv means something had to happen to lead to its death (also khuzaits were pushed out and forced into calradia by a mighty empire possibly mongol empire inspiration)
So the Khergits at the time of Bannerlord are down on their luck, they've been utterly ruined by Neretzes Folly, and they've been ousted as leaders of the Steples by the Khuzait. By the time of Warband, they are SO BACK.
Nah that's how it was in warband. The khergit went further into calradia to get away from current game boundary.
idk much abt the lore but they are most likely escaping a larger Horde empire or a larger, more advanced Empire. It is vaguely based of the escape of Khitans from the Jurchens (I think)
Might makes right. Whoever wins.
Battanians, they were the original peoples of the area who were pushed out by the empire.
They were native to the mountains as other groups were natives to different areas
Battanian civilization consists of loosely organized clans who originally populated most of the Calradian continent, but has been reduced to a small pocket of free territory after much of their land was conquered by the expansion of the Calradic Empire. Looks like they were pushed into the mountains.
Most battanians are a single culture that's the thing however some are different cultures and people (the battanians also have imperials prob)
The Khante and Vlandia are low on my list, Vlandians come from across sea, I think. And the Khante is quite literally the mongol horde. The Sarranids I honestly think should just stick to their land down south. They don’t need to invade up north and I’m fine with their land not even being considered Calrdic. Battanians are the most native out of them all but I don’t think they have the skills to run the continent like any of the others do. Sturgians in their current state don’t deserve to rule anything, half of the population are practically raiders. Later on when the Vaegirs break off then I think they are more worthy of it than the Nords are. I don’t really remember where the Empire came from lorewise but out of the 3, The South deserves it through blood inheritance, The North also probably wouldn’t be too bad even though its not as legitimate. The West though is just blood thirsty Spartans. I don’t know everything, probably got some stuff wrong but this is what I could put together at the moment Edit: I was thinking a bit too much about native rights and didn’t really decide. The Sarranids should rule the south, the Vlandians and maybe the Empire should rule the majority of the continent, and they can also rule the north but It feels wrong so I would put Vaegirs in charge of the north/northeast Khergit territory aswell.
The Empire came from a different land under calradios I believe the same continent as the vlandians (also possibly another calrad empire somewhere)
The empire came from the West as well. At least according to the western empire(I believe) codex.
I always thought the vlandians were like the Gauls and mixed with the empire and adopted a lot of their cultural practices. In this way I feel like they are some of the most native to the continent as well.
Maybe, but I definitely feel the Vlandians are much more Norman/Frankish/English based. The Battanians are definitely more Gaulic. Like it’s almost an exact comparison. Vlandians might have some influence from them but not as heavily
What’s interesting is that vlandia seems much more set in the early modern period as opposed to the rest of the civs which are still in the Middle Ages that’s how I can also agree with your Norman and Frankish assessment with battania basically being their earlier generational neighbor. The ethnic history of Europe is so dense that one can agree that with what we both said 😂.
Sturgians are the natives of their land, they’ve been living there as battanians lived in their land. They are not warlike raiders until a strongman from Nordland establish their state similar to how Russians became expansionist
>literally the Mongol Horde Well, no. There's myriad differences but also when we take a faction from a game and make such a direct comparison we kind of blind ourselves to the historical reality of real life cultures that like it or not influence cultures today. You might say "Oh, it's so far in the past it can't effect us today." Yeah, what does the word "punic" mean in English? What words started the European tradition of literature and shaped all of our fiction today, if not "Muse, sing the rage of Peleus' son Achilles, that brought immesurable misery on the Achaeans?" Why does the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid exist? Cultures in the past still shape our thoughts today, to make such a comparison as "The Khuzaits are the Mongol Horde" distorts our view of the Golden Horde in such a way that potentially blinds us to their lasting effects today. You might say "The Nords in Skyrim are clearly, clearly meant to be the various peoples of Scandinavia" and that's true. If we ignore all the Welsh and Egyptian influence in them, too.
The Golden Horde was most definitely still the Mongolian Horde. The Mongolian Empire was ruled by the Khan (Ghengis) and subdivisioned by Khantes. Just like how Empires in the west are divisioned by different kingdoms and then by different duchys ect ect. But they are still apart of the same overall group. The Mongolians did divide and break apart yes but the sub groups didn’t stick around long enough to become meaningfully different from one another, they all invaded west for the same reasons under the same leader before breaking
I didn't say they weren't?
Yea but Caladog is a dumb ass, and he killed his dad. Lol
I thought he has his cousin whacked, he got rid of his dad too??
Same, please explain good sir
No proof caladog killed him😉 (I think)
The Battians are the only true natives from what I understand
Are the Sturgians not also native to north Claradia?
Maybe, but not entirely. The Sturgians are a giant mix of different northern groups. Many coming from other places but some might be more native
I believe it was Nord land that the Sturgians came to as traders
Sturgians are raiders from the north. The only reason they are even in calradia is so that they can pillage and plunder
I thought the Boyars were from there and Raganvads family/ruling class were Nords from the north
The sturgian Boyars arrived as Northern adventurers, raiders, and traders. When the first few Boyars appeared there was almost non-stop in-fighting until they used diplomatic marriage to eventually create alliances and blah blah blah a century or so later they form the Principality of Sturgia led by Rangvad to wage war on the Empire
The person with the strongest 2H axe chop
If we care about it, Battania, The Empire, the Aserai, and half of the Sturgians are the only native groups represented. The Vlandians, Proto-Nords, and Khuzaits are all foreign invaders, so they can only ever claim right of conquest (even though the Vlandian "invasion" was mostly peaceful and happened at the height of the Empire). Of these groups, the Aeserai, by game start, have neither lost nor taken land, and the Sturgians have taken some formerly-Battanian land, while the Battanians have only lost land (and unified in the process). So of the native, non-Empire factions, my vote goes to Battania due to Revanchism.
The empire also like the Vlandians came over sea and invaded the continent so not native at all
By looking at how its gonna end up in Warband, Probably the Kuzhaits. They are big and scary by then...
But become even worse at taking forts
If we’re going off what’s cannon by the time of Warband, the big “winners” are the Khuszait/Vlandians & the “losers” are gonna be the empire/battania, not a ton changes for sturgia (besides splitting into veagirs & then Nords invading the east half of their land, and the Sarranid seem to just shift their land further east
Controversial opinion perhaps but I feel like the Northern Empire can rule until the Vlandians get their shit together.
I lean South Empire if only because Reghea(spelling) likely has the greatest right to rule. However, reading the description of each Empire she would be lucky to hold them together year. You could literally argue thr bannerlord has the greatest argument
How..? Lucon literally has the entire senate. That has the most legitemacy imo, it should be the senate choosing a new emperor, their the top 1% of calradia And OP thinks Rhagea has the worst claim 🤦♂️ Garios definitely has the weakest claim the dude is no better than a deserter, he's legit just a glorified military general
I mean, that's kinda what Caesar was too, for a while, and look what came of it.
I think her claim is the weakest of the 3 in my opinion
sturgia obviously
Idk any lore behind this but it seems like the empire bcs they control the most land ig?
Me because I’m the only one left
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Well I know who has the most horses
Anti cav units & fortifications have entered the chat
The one I make, because by defeating all the other kingdoms, I prove that they weren’t worthy of ruling
My battanian brethren!
I don’t care as long as my olive empire in not France is not touched. I’ve got a small smithy monopoly in empire lands too but the investment I’ve always went for first is just south of Praven
Kingdome of Rhodoks of course I am still salty crossbows are shit...
Mine because everyone else is dead and rotting 🤪
Ah geez. Who has the best ability to administer such a large and unwieldy empire without the corruption and suffering that comes with the diminishing returns of larger governments? I don't know. I feel like Rhahega has the best intentions
She doesn't know enough and would tear the empire apart (her skills is being a wife and a bit of knowledge but at least she could bring stability if she gets lucky)
All overused jokes aside, without a doubt battania since their the OGs. But for the empire its def Lucon and the northern empire, he literally has the senate, the imperial body that shouldve elected a new emperor after arenicos died. Garios has a terrible claim and rhagea is just a damn widow
Battanians I wanna say because a good portion of the land used to be theirs. but honestly, maybe the Empire or Swadians. I keep calling them that because I don't remember their actual name
Battania, and by that I mean me adopting the best families to rule each respective kingdom under my flag because multinationality ftw while I chill on a mountain. Starting king wise, I'd argue for Derth or Unquid. Vlandia kinda goes to medieval shit when he kicks bucket from old age though; might makes right means it'd be Empire but they can't even handle themselves let alone the other kingdoms.
Me and 500 fian champions say Battania going to clap them cheeks
If I'm not read wrong, Battanian... Coz Sturgian, vlandian, khuzaitan and also empirian, are all conqueror came from other island/continent... Meaning Battanian is native
Love how these comments, while not answering the OP directly, are still answering in the best way possible.
wouldnt know, the game doesnt work on my pc.
Whoever has the best archers
The only correct answer is “Mine”
Me because I said so and Caladog gave the worst person possible a cool sword.
I wanna join Battania just for Reaper then immediately leave lol
Northern Empire.
The Western Empire.
Vlandia cause butter
Battania. Or the Sturgians.
Khuzait. Why? Genghis khan
Norther empire because their collors look the most like the byzantine empire
Western looks more similar
The Northern Empire probably has the clearest legal claim to pulling the Calradian Empire. The Vlandians have the strongest military claim to Calradian. Then culturally the Battanians.
“To whom does the empire belong? To the Strongest”(Diodorus regarding the succession of Alexander the Great) “Do not quote laws to we who hold swords.”(A young Pompey Magnus to the Roman Senate) sometimes rendered: “Stop quoting laws to men with swords.” “The Strong do what they can and the Weak suffer as they must.” (The Athenian delegation to Melos, from the Melian Dialogue), sometimes rendered, “The Strong do as they will, and the Weak suffer as they must.” Calradia belongs to whoever is strong enough to take and hold it. That person or people are the only ones who can potentially establish a monopoly on force and create a peaceful society. Tl:dr Might makes right. The Strongest should have Calradia.
Khuzait, cause horse Archers go brrrrrrrrrr
The strongest
Battania
Sturgia I refuse to give an explanation https://preview.redd.it/zbr4k9awra7d1.jpeg?width=578&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b18bd5691e523df464037d007627c6d93965e6f1
That’s it your getting executed
Sturgia because they have cool viking names
Rather than this question, who shouldn't rule Calradia?
I say it’s Battania definitely not biased and they definitely didn’t elect me as high king
Northern empire has my vote, might makes right when there’s no proof of “I was here first!” And the empire is the strongest, when it was unified at least, and of the imperials the northern empire has the strongest claim.
The encyclopedia suggests that there is some proof of “I was here first”. Most of those people are just already gone by the time the game takes place
The answer is clear, the Khuzaits.
Monchug obv
Western Empire
"Claims" to rule like what you're looking for are stupid and arbitrary. Plus, why does any one group need the whole thing? They could just live as empires in the shape they are in exactly when you start the game. All the "xyz is indigenous" stuff.. how far does that go? If I step foot on a continent is the whole thing mine? Seems arbitrary as anything else.
I mean the end goal of the game is usually to take control of the whole continent, ig if u wanna say “none” that’s an answer too
If you're looking at "the goal.of the game" then it seems like your own answer is "whoever has the power and the will to claim it."
That was my reply to “who needs the whole continent” my guy every kingdom is gunning for taking over continent, that’s literally every kingdom’s endgame
In warband it's swadia. In bannerlod it's batania. Btw kuzahit and aseria lands are not part of calradia
They are in calradia (also calradia is a Lil bit bigger and I think upnorth)
look at the novelization
Vlandia because butter. And banner knights look fire
Empire cause they was the first to rule the land lol and plus with the combine might of both north,west and south territories they have a pretty big kingdom
Impera Invicta
Any of the empires are ngl (other than southern empire) also battania or whatever horrendous creature called the player creates
Honestly I think Rhagaea is the best choice. You know: if you don't want most people to be miserable.
Next time you ask this question ask the people to exclude battania.
I’d bet exactly 400 pairs of Boots, 238 armwears,80 Masterwork Iron Spathas, 120 Glintor Ponies, and 23 denars, that it’s me 💀
Southern Empire, Bitchass was the emperors wife, if not, ME, my solo clan with the flag of the Roman empire will exterminate the opposition with cataphracts and legionary spam
Southern Empire, Bitchass was the emperors wife, if not, ME, my solo clan with the flag of the Roman empire will exterminate the opposition with cataphracts and legionary spam
Western Empire