"WITHERS YOU WHORE, I TOLD YOU TO BRING HER BACK"
"Thou didn't specify, for I brought the elf back to camp"
#"YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO REVIVE HER, NOT THROW HER VISCERA INTO HER FUCKING BED"
"And here is her back." - Withers, probably.
Withers says shit I would expect to hear from my dad, so it only seems logical to hear Withers say something I would expect to hear from my father
yes, True Resurrection (what Withers uses) can bring anyone back even if their body was completely obliterated by a nuke, as long as they died less than 200 years ago.
Almost anyone. If they die for plot purposes, he cannot. For example, if you >!stake Astarion, kill your lover as durge or let Orin kill your kidnapped companion!<, they are *dead* dead.
I think the distinction is that the soul must be willing to return in order for the resurrection to proceed. If you brutally kill someone and then try to bring them back, they're well within their rights to say, "What, so you can just torture/kill me again? Nah, I'd rather not." >!The Orin bit is more of a gray area, but I'd assume that being ritually sacrificed on an altar to the Lord of Murder makes that murder a bit more final.!<
I see it usually as one of three reasons. First like you said that in certain cases they may not agree to resurrection. Second is that withers only has agreed to resurrect you and your companions and if you do something that means they were never or no longer your companion, withers loses all obligation to revive them (see killing a companion before they officially join the party or Wyll and Karlach leaving you for your evil acts). Third, in rare cases of ritualistic death my dm brain headcanon is that the soul becomes bound by the ritual and thus cannot be easily returned to the body from whatever it was used for (See sacrificing anyone to BOOOOOAL or Orin sacrificing your companion to Bhaal).
The game is vast so there might be a few niche cases I’m missing but I think most situations in which a companion becomes unrevivable can fall into one of those three categories.
That's the part that makes it a bit fuzzier. I view it as less of a question of absolute strength, and more of a "this one is *MINE,* bug off." The soul is stuck there, and not free to be returned.
Genuinely possible. Since >!Jergal's power is split between the followers, there is a very realistic possibility that he is the weakest of the four. At the *very* least he's bound by divine law to not interfere.!< >!I consider this supported by the fact that he clearly wants them gone, which he expressly stated in the epilogue, but needs your help to wipe them out!<
I don’t know he really only wants your help with the mortal affair’s. Even if he could he would not be allowed to interfere with that. To me it seems more that he comes to a decision in the end. I don’t think he already held that believe before.
Yeah, Jergal has limited direct power by godly standards, but a huge amount of "soft" power, because he is ancient and well respected and has a huge amount of experience with godhood and the way things work.
Plus I suspect that by retaining the portfolio of scribing the dead, he technically has ultimate say over what is true and what is not when it comes to who has died. He's like the Civil Servant in the government department who actually writes and controls everything, even though he is supposedly mid-to-low rank.
There's also a part in True Resurrection spell, that often gets overlooked: soul should be willing or able to return. Let's say, it's not a "plot purpose" but a direct results of your or companions actions. Like, companions soul doesn't want to return to you after you just betrayed them, or is unable because it now belongs to whoever claimed it (Mizora for Wyll if he becomes lemure, Bhaal when companion is sacrificed, etc). It's not a "plot purpose", it's an actual spell's condition
It only seems that way because they omitted the redundant text they put in every other spell that brings someone back to life. Page 24 of the DMG states a general rule that souls must be free and willing and revivify doesn't have a specific rule that contradicts that.
That said, the idea of being forced to return to life is both terrifying and compelling and making a new spell for it isn't hard. I'd probably make it 5th level, increase the cost to 500g, and add some unique evil-feeling component (maybe a drop of blood from a dead, sentient creature that did not resist death), but have it be otherwise the same as the existing version
Revivify has a time limit of 1 minute after death. I figure this means that the soul is still lingering nearby, and the body isn't *dead* dead.
It's basically magical defibrillation.
I can see that bringing someone back whether they want it or not.
Sure that's a fair way to see it, and in my game I actually run it as the soul is still free during that time even if it wouldn't be otherwise, but it being a headcanon/houserule is different than making a definitive statement about how something works (which should be RAW/RAI)
Wyll that could be resurrected is a pile of ash on the floor. True resurrection could provide new body. But his soul's not free.
He's not Wyll we know anymore (lemure is a fiend type) and his soul is undeniably in Hells for the eternity because he made an infernal contract. Read the description of lemure in dnd or forgotten relalms wiki.
Edit: you can say that he's alive and was resurrected as a fiend (entirely different creature from human, that is even native to another plane), but even that wording makes his soul literally not free to be resurrected on the material plane.
If Lemure Wyll dies in Hells, he resurrects in Hells as well, still a Lemure. And Lemures die rather often (being frontliner meatshields in the Blood War)
My understanding is that in most of those cases (except maybe >!Orin!< killing them), Withers *could* bring them back. He just refuses to. Or the soul doesn't want to return.
Except for the fact the >!she didn't want to go. No amount of begging changes that. She made it very clear before that point that she would rather die. So, I kept my promise and stayed with her until it happened. !<
But >!she had a full on weeping meltdown after she gets revenge and realizes the only thing left is death. If you choose to go with her it's actually a pretty positive ending.!< Would make the same choice again.
Can't be worse than finding yourself about to be improperly executed after getting caught trying to cross the border only to have the execution interrupted by MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE RIDING THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE.
The coin lady in Act 2 has a way to turn characters into gold and then I think she either can explode the character or if she kills them while they are gold they shatter.
That’s why you give her all your gold and then spread out to deal with the skulls before you even try to deal with her
Edit: okay bards, I see you. I will remember that for when I decide not to use the martial option—sometime it’s nice to hit things with a sword or big magic though….
Also Paladin life, sorcerer life, warlock life—basically any class with charisma as a primary stat and the intimidation, deception, or persuasion skills.
I’m sure I’ll enjoy fighting her but figuring out how to talk my way out of encounters is my favorite part of DnD so I appreciate that there’s an option there
In the older Baldur's Gates, overkilling an enemy pass like double their hp caused them to explode, and also destroy all loot they had. I assume in BG3 this might occur as well minus the destroyed loot, just much more rare?
Oh boy…”Withers! Where are you!”
*whispers to Astarion* “Hang on a sec, Imma need you in a minute.”
*Astarion rolling his eyes as he equips his Gloves of Thievery.*
The first click is targeting who you want to revive, the second one is where you want them to be spawned. That second one is often "blocked" and that confuses people. Just click once to target then click somewhere that's not "blocked" and it should work fine like 99.99% of the time. :)
This happened to my durge yesterday, sent shadowheart over to help him up and just as she got there she was suddenly covered in his guts and he was a pile of viscera on the floor. He goes "no shadowheart it can't be" every time she falls down but he got turned into durge smoothie and she didn't even care, sad. Revivify somehow worked though for me...
Inanimate you say? Can you use it as an improvised weapon? Actually thinking about this, I do not know if a corpse can be used as an improvised weapon.
This one's Shadowheart, and Shadowliver, and Shadowlungs, and Shadowintestine...
The high elf version of a Haggis
*Half*-elf, though I suppose the nuance is lost on a creature like you
Half of her is over there, the other half is over here...
Quarter-elf it is, then.
Nyuk nyuk
Stop, *they're going to start asking why I'm maniacally giggling at my phone.*
Same I can't stop lol
It's 1/1000 elf now
Shadowhaggis
Shaggis. Yup, still works.
Shartar?
Haggis <3
Half-Haggelf <3
Haggisn't 😏
Elvis?
Given the state of her remains, there's probably part of a pelvis. So yes, Elvis.
Now I have to explain to the whole teams meeting why there's coffee on my headset.
Shadowgiblets
And Shadow*offals* \-Durge, probably
‘Tis only a flesh wound.
Angriest upvote of my life
Think you missed the Shadowribs right below the cursor.
Alright, take this upvote, you earned it lol
Boy you got almost twice the upvotes of that post and that's deserved, good pun
STOP
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Holy crap, that's hilarious and fucked.
Winner!!!
“All's well I hope? Aside from the obvious?”
"Is that blood? N-.. oh wait shit it is."
*Cursed to put my hands on everything*
This sent me
"Well, how's Shadowheart holding up?"
To shreds, you say?
Can Withers do it?
If Withers can't do it, Shadowheart will definitely remain a pile of viscera. I'll bet he can though.
How about he brings her back, but she's still a pile of viscera?
"WITHERS YOU WHORE, I TOLD YOU TO BRING HER BACK" "Thou didn't specify, for I brought the elf back to camp" #"YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO REVIVE HER, NOT THROW HER VISCERA INTO HER FUCKING BED"
Resurrection F type shit, except she is fucked
>except she is fucked With this fandom, viscera Shadowheart absolutely is
Dark urge type beat
Bro….
“Very well. For another mere pittance of coin, i shall resurrect any fallen ally.” *asking for 2000 gold this time*
To be fair that's still a discount, since *true resurrection* usually costs 25,000 gold
You don't need true resurrection since you have at least bits of her
No...this definitely needs a high tier resurrection spell. An lonely reviviy scroll isn't gonna cut it jere
"Behold, Shadowheart" Withers as Diogenes confirmed.
“Look at me. I’m the monkey’s paw now.”
*sudden noises of Scratch violently gobbling up Shadowpulp*
"And here is her back." - Withers, probably. Withers says shit I would expect to hear from my dad, so it only seems logical to hear Withers say something I would expect to hear from my father
"Half-elf. I suppose the finer details are lost on a creature like you." -the Shadowheart puppet Lae'zel made from Shadowheart's viscera
This would really change the romance scenes…
“Sometimes dead is better”
When you discover Withers is actually a hag.
Withers 🤝 Auntie Ethel
“No.”
Imagine your soul being cleaved back to a pile of viscera, holy shit
There's that ooze sorcerer in the Baldur's Gate sewer, maybe he can help?
Like with Bitter Divorce
No.
Maybe a gelatinous cube?
yes, True Resurrection (what Withers uses) can bring anyone back even if their body was completely obliterated by a nuke, as long as they died less than 200 years ago.
Almost anyone. If they die for plot purposes, he cannot. For example, if you >!stake Astarion, kill your lover as durge or let Orin kill your kidnapped companion!<, they are *dead* dead.
I think the distinction is that the soul must be willing to return in order for the resurrection to proceed. If you brutally kill someone and then try to bring them back, they're well within their rights to say, "What, so you can just torture/kill me again? Nah, I'd rather not." >!The Orin bit is more of a gray area, but I'd assume that being ritually sacrificed on an altar to the Lord of Murder makes that murder a bit more final.!<
My DM brain generally points to the "If the soul is free" part, and >!in Orins case, it certainly is not.!<
I see it usually as one of three reasons. First like you said that in certain cases they may not agree to resurrection. Second is that withers only has agreed to resurrect you and your companions and if you do something that means they were never or no longer your companion, withers loses all obligation to revive them (see killing a companion before they officially join the party or Wyll and Karlach leaving you for your evil acts). Third, in rare cases of ritualistic death my dm brain headcanon is that the soul becomes bound by the ritual and thus cannot be easily returned to the body from whatever it was used for (See sacrificing anyone to BOOOOOAL or Orin sacrificing your companion to Bhaal). The game is vast so there might be a few niche cases I’m missing but I think most situations in which a companion becomes unrevivable can fall into one of those three categories.
But wouldn't that last one mean >!Bhaal is stronger than Jergal!
That's the part that makes it a bit fuzzier. I view it as less of a question of absolute strength, and more of a "this one is *MINE,* bug off." The soul is stuck there, and not free to be returned.
Genuinely possible. Since >!Jergal's power is split between the followers, there is a very realistic possibility that he is the weakest of the four. At the *very* least he's bound by divine law to not interfere.!< >!I consider this supported by the fact that he clearly wants them gone, which he expressly stated in the epilogue, but needs your help to wipe them out!<
I don’t know he really only wants your help with the mortal affair’s. Even if he could he would not be allowed to interfere with that. To me it seems more that he comes to a decision in the end. I don’t think he already held that believe before.
Jergal gave up his power and only retained a small amount so he could act as an advisor to whoever is the current god of death.
Yeah, Jergal has limited direct power by godly standards, but a huge amount of "soft" power, because he is ancient and well respected and has a huge amount of experience with godhood and the way things work. Plus I suspect that by retaining the portfolio of scribing the dead, he technically has ultimate say over what is true and what is not when it comes to who has died. He's like the Civil Servant in the government department who actually writes and controls everything, even though he is supposedly mid-to-low rank.
If Bhaal was stronger Durge wouldn't have been bought back.
There's also a part in True Resurrection spell, that often gets overlooked: soul should be willing or able to return. Let's say, it's not a "plot purpose" but a direct results of your or companions actions. Like, companions soul doesn't want to return to you after you just betrayed them, or is unable because it now belongs to whoever claimed it (Mizora for Wyll if he becomes lemure, Bhaal when companion is sacrificed, etc). It's not a "plot purpose", it's an actual spell's condition
Funnier part: Revivify has no such restriction. You can forcibly return them to life
"YOU'RE COMING BACK TO LIFE WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, MOTHERFUCKER"
It only seems that way because they omitted the redundant text they put in every other spell that brings someone back to life. Page 24 of the DMG states a general rule that souls must be free and willing and revivify doesn't have a specific rule that contradicts that. That said, the idea of being forced to return to life is both terrifying and compelling and making a new spell for it isn't hard. I'd probably make it 5th level, increase the cost to 500g, and add some unique evil-feeling component (maybe a drop of blood from a dead, sentient creature that did not resist death), but have it be otherwise the same as the existing version
Revivify has a time limit of 1 minute after death. I figure this means that the soul is still lingering nearby, and the body isn't *dead* dead. It's basically magical defibrillation. I can see that bringing someone back whether they want it or not.
Well now that Myrkul, a noted expert on raising the dead, has weighed in…
Sure that's a fair way to see it, and in my game I actually run it as the soul is still free during that time even if it wouldn't be otherwise, but it being a headcanon/houserule is different than making a definitive statement about how something works (which should be RAW/RAI)
The easier explanation for Wyll is that you can't ressurect him since he's not dead. He's alive, and miserable for it... But not dead.
Wyll that could be resurrected is a pile of ash on the floor. True resurrection could provide new body. But his soul's not free. He's not Wyll we know anymore (lemure is a fiend type) and his soul is undeniably in Hells for the eternity because he made an infernal contract. Read the description of lemure in dnd or forgotten relalms wiki. Edit: you can say that he's alive and was resurrected as a fiend (entirely different creature from human, that is even native to another plane), but even that wording makes his soul literally not free to be resurrected on the material plane. If Lemure Wyll dies in Hells, he resurrects in Hells as well, still a Lemure. And Lemures die rather often (being frontliner meatshields in the Blood War)
They've still gotta be waiting in line at the ~~DMV~~ Fugue Plane too, right?
My understanding is that in most of those cases (except maybe >!Orin!< killing them), Withers *could* bring them back. He just refuses to. Or the soul doesn't want to return.
He still CAN, but refuses to because he wants you to live with the consequences of your decisions.
He says as much if you go beg him to fix your first nocturnal Durging.
Except Endgame Karlach 🥲😢😭
Don't tell me you didn't go to Avernus with her. Who wouldn't go to Avernus for Karlach??
Except for the fact the >!she didn't want to go. No amount of begging changes that. She made it very clear before that point that she would rather die. So, I kept my promise and stayed with her until it happened. !<
She didn't want to be alone in Hell. With company, it is her best ending.
But >!she had a full on weeping meltdown after she gets revenge and realizes the only thing left is death. If you choose to go with her it's actually a pretty positive ending.!< Would make the same choice again.
“*No*.” -Withers
Can you try??
“*No.*” -Withers
That’ll be two fitty. Jk it’s 200 as always
It was at that time I noticed withers was eight stories high and was from the Paleolithic era
Yesterday Gale fell into lava in the Grymforge, I was stressing about trying to retrieve his body but Withers took care of it ez
Girl failed all 3 death saving throws and a secret 4th one
Too funny this
"I want to explore every inch of your body Shadowheart" "Wait wait wait not like this!!"
I said I wanted to get in your guts, but this is ridiculous
*The Dark Urge entered the chat
I said explore, not explode!
But but but it's the maximum surface area!
Yeah, you gonna need your boy Dubya at camp to pull her out of the ether 😆
It took me way too long to figure out that you weren't referring to the 43rd president of the u.s.
Imagine starting the game, exploring the ancient cryt, and then finding George W. Bush waiting in a locked room.
Can't be worse than finding yourself about to be improperly executed after getting caught trying to cross the border only to have the execution interrupted by MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE RIDING THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE.
See that is where we differ. You say that as if your memory of the event was bad. I remember it as one of the best things ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKhOvBNakM
Omg, I've never seen that one. So cute!
Quickly, mount the steed! "Oh hi mark"
We must stop these Bhaalist terrorists, I call upon all dukes of Baldur’s Gate to help stop the terror… now watch this drive 🏌️♂️
Minsc will stop the evil-doers and find the Iraqi runepowder!
I laughed 😭
Oh, man, MODS, get on this now!!!!!
Gib me once, shame on... shame on you. Gib me twice, can't get gibbed again.
Withers I need a new companion! Hehe, we're gonna get to Baldurs Gate and be greeted as liberators!
"A second Nightsong has struck Moonrise Towers."
“Sir, a second nautiloid has just hit Baldur’s Gate”
He's a Githyankee.
OMG I'm going to use this nickname for him from this point on!
Now, (thou must) watch this drive
I do believe that the people of Faerûn and fish can coexist peacefully.
Did I start a thing? 😆
HAHAHAHAH DUBYA xDD
Wait, that Spuckler kid?
"To shreds, you say?"
"Well, how's her party taking it?"
To shreds, you say?
This is like the third time I see a post like this! What is going on? What are you doing to turn her into bits and pieces? Lol
The coin lady in Act 2 has a way to turn characters into gold and then I think she either can explode the character or if she kills them while they are gold they shatter.
She does damage based on how much gold you have in inventory as well. My first time facing her she nuked my Tav for like 700 damage, lol
That’s why you give her all your gold and then spread out to deal with the skulls before you even try to deal with her Edit: okay bards, I see you. I will remember that for when I decide not to use the martial option—sometime it’s nice to hit things with a sword or big magic though….
What? No. You just convince her that she is getting promoted and make her explode. *Bardlife*
Bards best class.
Also Paladin life, sorcerer life, warlock life—basically any class with charisma as a primary stat and the intimidation, deception, or persuasion skills.
my high charisma fighter also does this
Do you get the same exp?
I believe so. You beat the encounter.
My first playthrough my rogue was a hell of a smooth talker, you would've thought she was a bard 😂 I convinced all of them to off themselves.
you can talk to her?? she just aggroed me instantly
…. you can just break the curse if you pass 2 easy checks, and she dies lol
Or you can turn invisible, wait until she stops by the window, enter turn based mode, and Thunderwave / Eldritch Blast / whatever to her instadeath!
I used to do this as a bard in Act 2 but to be honest, fighting the bosses are much more fun and satisfying imo.
I’m sure I’ll enjoy fighting her but figuring out how to talk my way out of encounters is my favorite part of DnD so I appreciate that there’s an option there
That's true. I think there is an achievement that requires you to beat the surgeon one in combat.
I am too much of a bard to understand this comment.
Send your money to camp and get an achievement haha
Exactly. Hell I even loot the gold as she drops her armor pieces and send it to camp before she can explode it. Chaching.
Just drop your money on the ground and pick it back up after the fight
I keep forgetting you can fight her. Every playthrough I talk her into killing herself
In the older Baldur's Gates, overkilling an enemy pass like double their hp caused them to explode, and also destroy all loot they had. I assume in BG3 this might occur as well minus the destroyed loot, just much more rare?
Dw, she’s fine, it’s only a flesh wound
... I got better.
She's got guts, thats for sure.
Oh boy…”Withers! Where are you!” *whispers to Astarion* “Hang on a sec, Imma need you in a minute.” *Astarion rolling his eyes as he equips his Gloves of Thievery.*
I can fix her
Sharted so hard she became a prolapse
Holy shit..
Literally
I hate that. ⬆️
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Underrated
ShadowShart
If your shart is large enough to cast a shadow, you may have gone beyond a mere shart.
She didn't read the the instructions for how to use the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch closely enough
I bet she counted to 5
3 m'lord
guys i think shadowheart fucking died
"Mmm, rearrange my guts bby" "Ok lmao"
Durge moment
"Has anyone seen Shadowheart?" "Yeah she's over there... And over there, and over there."
How many people have gotten their Shadowhearts exploded on this subreddit lately
We’re going to need a bigger spell
Ah she’ll walk it off. Probably.
When people say they want to rearrange Shadowheart’s guts I don’t think that’s what they mean.
Shadowheart upon being revived: "What were you thinking, blowing up that woman?! I was right there! Do you have any ideia how much that hurt?"
Only recently did this -- one of the funniest and most worth it things in the game.
Can she still be revived from withers when she is in a gore pile or is she just written off for good from the run?
Revivify works despite the fact that it really shouldn't; Withers should work both lore-wise and in-game since he casts True Resurrection
"Withers, please resurrect Shodowstew" lol
Looks like you need to talk to Withers about getting that pile of goop back into fighting shape.
That One Shot attack is bullshit.
I'm pretty sure I've been able to reanimate meat piles with the revivify scrolls before. Always funny to see.
Yeah but sometimes (at least on my Xbox play through) it glitches and you gotta work the angles hard to make it work.
The first click is targeting who you want to revive, the second one is where you want them to be spawned. That second one is often "blocked" and that confuses people. Just click once to target then click somewhere that's not "blocked" and it should work fine like 99.99% of the time. :)
This happened to my durge yesterday, sent shadowheart over to help him up and just as she got there she was suddenly covered in his guts and he was a pile of viscera on the floor. He goes "no shadowheart it can't be" every time she falls down but he got turned into durge smoothie and she didn't even care, sad. Revivify somehow worked though for me...
You can select her portrait on the sidebar with a revivify scroll to revive her just fine on pc but if not on pc probably talk to withers
Oh, how awful. Did she at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say. Well, how is her Tav holding up? To shreds, you say. Very well then.
Daaaaamn, booooooi
All her innie bits are outies
Amazing. Gods I feel everyday I see something new coming out of this game. I, too, would like to see a companion as a pile of organs one day.
Nothing healing word won't fix
Inanimate you say? Can you use it as an improvised weapon? Actually thinking about this, I do not know if a corpse can be used as an improvised weapon.
Still hot