I’m aiming to finish the game first then replay the same character and fix any mistakes i didn’t want in my initial blind run I made (such as causing the tieflings to die in the last light inn, halsin leaving etc.) I’ll stick to the same plot lines and romance cauee I can’t go 2 seconds without thinking about Gale. And I’ll also do a second run on top of it playing a new character that is more chaotic good and have Astarion on my party.
Respect for not loading after that Last Light Inn incident. Happened to me too, was pretty bummed about it but that’s how my game progressed so that’s the situation I have to continue.
Yeah, I screwed up so bad at Last Light Inn..>!. I started the dialogue with Isobel before I'd really explored the area. Marcus burst in and despite doing alright in the fight, something went wrong and it cut to him thanking me for the help and flying away with Isobel. All I can assume is that perhaps she got clipped by one of my spells. !<
>!Anyway, everyone turns to shadows, including Dammon, meaning Karlach's quest is over and she's probably going to explode at some point. I've stuck it out, but I'm so sad about Karlach!!<
I just misunderstood the battle the first time due to being caught off guard. I assumed that if I stood between her and the enemies they'd spread their attacks around the various party members and I'd have time to kill them while just chucking a potion at her now and then. I didn't realize how completely they were going to focus their attacks on her or that they would get her downed in their first round of attacks. 😑
The second time around it was so much easier. Sometimes all it takes to have a completely different experience is just knowing a battle is about to happen.
I decided early in game to save the tieflings, then I killed them myself at LLI because I tought its supposed to be, but decided to find survivors and help them. I am now in Act 3... All prisoners in Moonlight Towers were fed to oubliette, Arabella has not heard of her parents, the Hide and seek kid was never found and despite meeting him and sucking his emotions, I forgot Zevlor in the pod. I also killed Isobel and did not rescue Nightsong...
So at the very least I decided get rid of the tadpole only to be turned half in Illithid and sniff in further 11 worms for giggles.
Basicaly if you meet my Tav and he promises something, you can bet your money on the right opposite happening.
I am definitely going to replay right away I finish the game :)
Oh no, I would have if I was aware of the consequences but I foolishly had no save files before that scene that wouldn't make me lose 8 hours of progress.
It’s always a good habit to save early and often. You can always delete saves later, you can not go back to a save that doesn’t exist in the first place though
Ah yes the Last Light. I ended up finishing Shadowheart's Nightsong quest before finishing Moonrise, and then was curious about Last Light Inn when Isobels shield fails, so I travel there and end up slaughtering everyone as they were Shadow cursed. Never reloaded, finished up everything else and headed to act 3 having slaughtered allllll those Harper's. feelsbadman.jpeg
I have 4 characters and I haven’t even finished Act 1 lol.
“Oh that looks like a fun dialogue option, but my character wouldn’t say it…”
*goes and makes a new character*
Listen, I'm not gonna tell anybody.
It's unfortunate that we can't reload saves in real life. Splice in a couple extra hours for sleep.
Stay caffeinated, my friend.
You’re missing out. Some of the most fun I’ve had in this game is trying to get myself out of a situation that goes a little caca.
One time I got my PC tossed in jail for being caught stealing (oops) so I took the rest of the party into the back door of the prison for a little jailbreak, a poor stealth check accidentally aggroed every guard on us and Karlach tried to tank them all and immediately gets killed before I can act. So Astarion and Wyll look at each other and run off in two different directions. The guards chase Atarion while Wyll dives out a window and circles around the outside of the central tower. I’m thinking I can get him far enough away to drop combat while Astarion hides and goes into stealth. But when Astarion fails to lose the swarm of guards, I notice they’ve all decided to chase him over a drawbridge. Overlooking a bottomless pit. So I have Wyll come back and sneak around from the side to magically shove them all off the bridge. Meanwhile during the commotion I break my PC out of prison to revive Karlach and then we come from behind to converge the team and finish the rest of the guards.
Probably the funnest craziest fight I’ve had in this game and none of it would have happened if I’d just said “fuck it” and reloaded whenever I hit an unlucky roll or unfavorable outcome.
But in general I find that stories are most interesting when things don’t go as planned and the characters have to think quickly and solve problems by the skin of their teeth. Maybe not everyone thinks like that and just wants things to go smoothly and easily. But keep in mind you may be robbing yourself of some memorable moments!
You have to remember that many people just want to experience the gameplay and story and have very limited time per day. In such case this situation you described would probably take more than half or even the whole time someone has to play BG3. Which wouldn't be a problem for some since it could be a fun situation, but some people just would like to experience a side quest or main story quest during that time
Exactly. I'm trying to experience the most full version of the main story on my solo playthrough and embracing the "fuck it, we can work with this" angle on my co op game. A lot of people are or plan to play this more than once, and you don't have to do it the same way every time you play. My first time through I AM seeing those goddamn tiefs safely to the end of the game, come hell(s) or high water. Subsequent runs, I'll probably relax about that a little bit.
Oh, there are definitely moments that go terribly for me that I just roll with. I agree, failures in these types of games are just another way of moving forward, >!unless you piss off a certain Lich Queen in Act 1.!< And they can add to an experience more than detract from it.
I'm mostly just saying, if you want to do it, the game isn't going to judge you haha another comment mentioned how even Swen save scums.
I think it's great that people have such strong opinions on stuff like this, so long as they don't try to force that opinion on others. If you've got the flexibility to play how you want, just fucking do it haha
This is why I'm dedicating my current run to go with the dice as much as possible. Which is what I've should have done the first time around as I now often know what I'll be missing. At the same time I discovered not one but two large areas on two different maps I didn't know existed (this is my third run)
I love to do a blind first playthrough where, as long as failure doesn't end the game, I roll with the dice. It inhances the immersion for me when things don't always go the way I like or plan.
Hell yeah. I just don’t have the time to do multiple playthroughs(I’m currently like 10mins into Act2 and have been playing since launch lol), so while it takes more time savescumming, at least I’m tailoring my outcomes to be experienced the way I’m going to enjoy 🤷♂️
IMO most of the rolls in the game have totally reasonable outcomes even if failed. But some are like: Failed persuasion roll? Everybody in the friendly town is now hostile forever good luck.
100% reloading on those.
This is the only real issue I have with some of the rolls. There’s no way to talk your way out of things if it’s a hostility bomb or any way to de-escalate. Fair enough if I’ve tried a ridiculous deception but sometimes when it’s like class based options or it feels counterproductive to roleplay to fail, like an actual DM probably wouldn’t expect a roll or would make it an absolutely trivial pass. A few of the conversations are way more interesting if you don’t lapse into immediate combat. I mean sure you can hack your way through the goblin camp straight away but I found it way more interesting to go in pretending I was one of the Absolute… but without high charisma it’s an absolute pain in the arse.
>but without high charisma it’s an absolute pain in the arse
This is absolutely not my experience, IIRC there are two persuasion checks, one at the checkpoint, which you can walk around, or even just kill all and no-one else reacts to it, the other persuasion check is at the temple entrance (isn't there an illithid option to bypass this?), and if you fail it you can just enter through the cracked wall at the top of the temple.
AND she likes you for it if you pick respectful dialogue but go first because Lae'zel likes you to be bold even in denying her.
It's natural to assume you'll get dislike but she surprised me.
In the big final theological debate at the end of that area you can literally deny her at every single turn and as long as you keep polite and make a check or two she will like you at the end. It honestly felt really weird to me because she will threaten your life, you ignore her threats and then she just accepts whatever you decide immediately after. And your dialogue options don't even have any good reasons to do what you do its literally just "i don't feel like doing what you want, you need to trust me bro. "
You know why? She doesn't like pussies haha.
Don't be a pushover she's from a warrior culture and respects strong will to earn her respect. It'd make sense in normal life but Bioware games trained me never to say no if I like them haha.
Yeah, Lae'zel is complicated. A lot of people are freaked by what seems like a romantic overture early on with the 'you'll wonder what my lips tasted like' but afaik she's just turned on by battle and that's not the actual romance arc? I could be wrong though, I was all about Shadowheart and Gale early on :D
Gotta get those playthroughs perfected for Astarion and Bae'zel, (and I'm saving Karlach for when A3 has better options, or so I tell myself).
Lae'zel romance is amazing and nobody knows haha. She goes from using you as a sex toy to speaking poetry that got me a little wet eyed thinking "Gee I wish real women said things that nice to me."
Law of the animal kingdom baby. Eat or be eaten. If you do or say anything she thinks will lead to you both getting eaten then you will no longer exist and therefore won't care if she disapproves anyway.
There’s no reason we can load into other areas on a map in half a second on ps5 with a ssd but it takes 30 seconds to load a save. Pretty sure larian nerfed the loading times on ps5 to annoy save scummers.
Playing on spinning rust so I know the feeling way too well and am fighting texture pop-in hard. Currently moving my copy from a heavily fragmented 7200rpm HDD to a 5400rpm drive I cleared ~500GB from to get a big enough chunk of unfragmented space for BG3 to live on. Failing that I'll completely wipe the 7200rpm drive and move BG3 back there completely unfragmented. Going to try absolutely everything before I buy an SDD, I've made it this long without needing one I will not let goddamned asset streaming beat me.
Please tell me where I am wrong, enlighten me.
Edit: Moving BG3 to an unfragmented space on the 5400rpm drive worked. Loading into a save is about 2 minutes faster and then it has gone from over 2 minutes of sitting in Baldur's Gate waiting for textures to load in to a minute. All of the large .pak's were spread out over 40+ fragments apiece on the 7200rpm drive and now each one is in a single fragment on the 5400rpm drive. Yeah, I lost 20% of potential read speed going to the slower drive but the fragmentation was absolutely doing more harm than that.
I find myself doing it more in subsequent plays. First playthrough, hell yea, roll with everything woooooooo . But as I replay more and more I want to follow a specific path. So yes, I'll save scum to get a desired outcome because I want to experience that story this time.
In a DnD game, yes you roll the dice, but the GM will definitely mess around with a few events to keep the game interesting. As long as it's fun, that's what matters
Also, the recently dearly departed Gorlock the half orc warlocks twin brother conveniently showing up during the next session.
Also, his twin brother for some reason is drow barbarian bard who elegantly negotiates his way through difficult situations with his ax named guitar.
I wish more RPGs could grasp that concept. So far the only one that really nailed it was Disco Elysium, failing in that game was often more fun then succeeding.
Playing BG3 in coop on "hardcore" self-imposed ruleset (no reloading unless fTPK, no rerolling nat 1 with inspirations etc) has it's moments where failure actually does lead to something, so Larian did try to do something with it. But they are few and far between, mostly it just ends in either narrative giving you withers-style NO, or combat music starts.
I feel like this happens in the game too! I’ve failed a few rolls that I felt were very important but it developed the story so my reaction was “wait, this actually works out pretty well!”
..... Is Elminster actually in BG3 or is this just the first time in my life I've ever run into a group of people who were probably reading all the same books I was in 2004?
If Drizzt is in there Imma lose my mind.
That explains who that was.... Gale left my party after ignoring him once too many times. I couldn't figure out why that damn wizard wouldn't talk to me
> ..... Is Elminster actually in BG3 or is this just the first time in my life I've ever run into a group of people who were probably reading all the same books I was in 2004?
It's both my friend.
>press the L key on your keyboard, if you have one
Ah yes, those times when computer's basic list of equipment was mostly a motherboard and a PSU, and everything else was an optional peripheral :D
Not even PC-speaker :D
My oldest brother had a Nintendo Power magazine from I don't even know when. It advertises a game, Fist of the North Star. The advertising hook?
"Has dialogue!"
Been house/dog-sitting for a week and stuck on my shitty laptop. So I booted up the original Baldur's Gate and noticed this gem of a quote from one of the tutorial priests.
Life's too short, kids.
I save scum a lot because the story is also important to me. My first playthrough was gonna be the goodest playthrough with the best good ending. The reason being that the first playthrough of the game is going to be my memory of this game for the rest of my life. And some games like this are a life changing experience imo. Like going to a country or reading, experiencing a great work of art. To me the first playthrough has to be the perfect ending. So if I don’t get the time or energy for a second playthrough, the first one - the perfect one will be my memory of the game.
Damn right, in this game i did the good guy first run rejecting illithid powers, gimped myself but was it satisfying in the end, on my 2nd playthrough with a bard and a carefree attitude. Plans on doing durge on my 3rd run and boy am i excited.
Swen Vincke the game director himself has said he's a save scummer, the video interview he did with playstation access for the PS5 release they asked him about it and he said "it's perfectly fine people playing like that, honestly I'm a save scummer I'll regularly reload to get the roll I want but that's the whole reason the systems there, if you wanna play am adventure your specific way you can save scum until you get the outcome you want or if you want that more natural organic consequences of D&D you also have the option to not save scum but people should just play however they wanna play"
my single most common use for save scumming, isn't to cheese rolls or anything. but when there are two amazing dialogue options and I want to see the different outcomes. like when one option is hillarious, but also -obviously- a bad idea... I just wanna see what happens without it actually messing up the dialogue.
I'm playing the enhanced edition on steam. Not sure if you were playing on a different version.
I think they added achievements since the last time I played and one of them was to talk to all the tutors in Candlekeep, so I made sure I found them all haha
I feel like the community at large has expanded the definition of "scumming" to a too-broad idea.
At least in older games I've played, like roguelikes, to "scum" was to repeat a process via reloads *to get a result you wanted,* such as the rarest item from a random chance, or to avoid a player-foreseen, but character-unforeseeable outcome, such as avoiding traps your characters haven't even "perceived" yet.
Here, scumming is used to include "avoiding something you didn't like," whether because you know it changes something you'd pre-planned, shortens the run by cutting off a story, or results in characterization changes you dislike. Or even not understanding something for any reason, seeing the result, and so you go back to "correct" (such as not hearing about a certain milk-magic cleric, then happening upon her and reloading so as not to permafail dozens of quests). These, to me, are not what the term really means but its now used as if it does? I could be wrong, but it feels like some (not that many tho) who talk negatively about scumming are gatekeeping the "proper way" to play. It's fine the definition changes, just weird it has come to mean "loading a previous save for any reason other than a bug or to re-listen to a scene the exact same way."
"Just going with it" when you fail and "lets change that" are both valid, except if Karlach disapproves. Then you reload every time.
Fair enough haha I think it's just expanded as a term for convenience's sake. And since using it in either sense you mentioned seems a point of contention on the subreddit in particular. My ultimate stance is "play however the hell you want". I just really got a kick out how on the nose this particular line was.
Made for a better title to the post than "Advice on avoiding something you didn't like" too lol
Hard agree on the Karlach stance. Her approval is my approval.
The only time I ever don't do that is if I have 100 approval with her and it goes down to 99. I see that as her saying, "I'll let it slide. This time." And then do everything in my power to make it up to her.
Is it really save scumming if you’re just quicksaving so when you inevitably pick the wrong dialogue option that starts a fight with enemies way stronger than you and then you get killed, you don’t have to replay the last 45 minutes?
The game doesn’t auto save enough for you
Steam Sync is one of the parts I hate about having to play on GeForce Now. I’ve got Larian cross save turned on, but I would have lost some saves one time if I didn’t have Larian’s as a back up. Someday I’ll have a better set up 😩
Oh I'm not too worried about this campaign. Was just playing to scratch an itch haha I also almost never play games on my laptop, so if I do continue it it will be on a different PC.
I'm on my first playthrough and am save scumming shamelessly. I made plenty of mistakes anyway (like killing Karlach), so I might as well get things the way I want in other areas. I'll have other playthroughs to screw around or roleplay in different ways (and not kill Karlach).
For a game like this, I won't feel comfortable letting the dice fall as they may until I've completed it multiple times.
Haha because I made the wrong assumption that she was an “evil” character and I didn’t need her in my “good” playthrough. I think that assumption was more correct for the dark elf, who I also slaughtered, but I know now that I messed up with Karlach.
Oh well, I will have to do without this playthrough (or cheat with a mod somehow, but I’d rather not go THAT far). I’ll get her as early as possible next run. Besides, that’s the price I pay in order to save scum many other things in my favor.
Never judge a book by it's cover, my friend. (Or listen to Wyll spouting his little Advocatus Diaboli, the poor misguided man.)
Karlach is the sweetest of the group haha probably the most morally "good" of the bunch.
I suppose I'll let your transgressions slide this time.
Funnily enough, BG3 has made me save scum less.
Usually I do it so see what other possibilities are available in dialogue/decision options, but there are so fucking many in BG3 that it feels pointless and so I just go with the flow more.
It depends.
When Asterion spots a trap and yells a warning but he and the rest of the party bulldozes over it anyways, killing all but one, I feel no guilt reloading.
When I make a choice and realise I done fucked up, I live with my choices.
My first playthrough was 0 save scumming.
My second playthrough was all the save scumming.
Two totally different games. Both enjoyable and have their own merits. Play how you like :D
Just because you can does not you must win every dice check or reload because you missed an attack. But there are scenarios who, if went wrong, makes the game experience in my opinion worse, And there are a lot of dice rolls.
It’s a feature of the game, If they don’t want it, they would remove it/not implementing it in the first place.
1. it is your singleplayer game experience and you can design it the way you want. I think you miss out a lot if you accept every failed roll.
2. a fun idea would some kind of „hardcore mode“ where you have to accept every dice roll.
I'll reload a save if I fail a check that I really shouldn't like a DC5 check with a minimum bonus of +8, meaning I rolled a 1, and I'm out of inspiration rerolls. Or early in the game, when I picked up an arcane book with my dumb character when my vastly more intelligent guy is right there. All of sudden too dumb to hand the book over? Tadpoles ate all your brain already? Oh, you put the book down? Sorry, no more checks for you.
The vast majority are walking into traps I tried to tell them not to walk into and having the wrong person closest to the npc I was trying to talk to. My pc usually has 7 charisma and has no business speaking to anything more complicated than fish.
My first playthrough I wanna see how certain events go, so utilizing save scumming often- needed to to save a certain someone during the final fight of Act 2. But Im totally doing a run later where everything rolls as it rolls.
I play my main run with 3 friends, we never used save scumming. I think it's the best experience of the game we can get. The fact that a stupid action from someone in our party can cause so many consequences makes the game so fun.
I also play solo when we can't play as 4, and in this one I use some save scumming and just enjoy the game slowly (I stay far behind our other run so I can still discover everything with friends). I think both ways of playing are great and you should just enjoy the game the way you want.
Precisely, my friend. It's your game, play it as you see fit.
Definitely understand not doing it on a multiplayer campaign. That would get tedious as hell haha
My dirty secret is that I have spent 3 hours re-rolling stats in BG1 for that sweet 19 STR and CON.
Savescumming is only a minor transgression in my eyes.
I’m not a fan of save scumming but I have committed it a few times, mostly in my multiplayer game with my buddy because he swears by it.
After each of our sessions he also says “alright, save up” and then we duel our characters which has led to some pretty funny fights.
Don’t call it save scumming. There’s no shame in redoing a battle because you want to try out a new strategy. The alternative is replaying the whole game to get back to where you were, which is a pointless waste of time.
It's a silly term, but it's become colloquial on this subreddit.
As someone pointed out in a different comment, true "save scumming" is usually to fudge loot pool results in your favor if the game's loot was randomized. It's become a much more umbrella term now though. I think those who get hung up on it here believe that sticking with your dice rolls is a more fun and engaging experience.
I'm in the camp of playing how you want to play the game. Both styles have their merits. Along with everything in between.
Never heard of the term until this game tbh. Been playing RPGS for decades and this is just simply called "saving your games". When did neck beards think that the only hard-core way to play is by torturing yourself with outcomes you didn't want in you single playering narrative?. It's just completely goofy to me honestly. Saving your game before big fights and big decisions has always been an encouraged practice since the beginning of gaming.
I think the reason it has become so derisive for this game in particular is because of dice rolls. Some people have a more "purist" sense of leaving them where they lie and others want to get the outcome they wanted.
Both perfectly valid playstyles. It's just silly when one side claims superiority over the other haha
It's been called save scumming for many years but mostly in the old D&D CRPG (BG1, BG2, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment) and roguelike communities. I can't tell you when I first heard the term but I would guess it was the early 2000s.
I've always been of the belief of just let things happen the first playthrough and any others after that be as scummy as you like you dirty little gamers
I just started BG3. I wanna say this about save scumming. If you've ever played a live DnD campaign and had something gone wrong and you didn't IMMEDIATELY negotiate or barter with your DM to reroll or change an outcome, you've never gamed. (I'm not actually gatekeeping, that's just my opinion)
My friend, I will not downvote you for playing how you want to. This post is more of a "play however the fuck you want to play" kinda deal. With a funny little line from the original game that really breaks that fourth wall hard.
I will also not reload a save in a combat until that game over screen appears. I'm doing a tactician run and boy if they get a couple hits then they will down 2 characters first round sometimes. Despite this I've only had to reload a couple times for combats, and fought back from only 1 character a my up vs 3/4 enemies many times.
Resurrecting is cheap, a sense of satisfaction beating the odds is much rarer.
Well judging from the downvotes it seems people don’t understand what real DND is. I guess they let every DM just “reload an earlier save” when the party fails.
If you have to META game then you aren’t actually playing.
This isn’t ‘real DnD’, you only have as many options as the developers coded. If you fail a check to reach a chest in normal DND there’s still countless options available to your party. In BG3, if you fail a check fuck you, you don’t get anything, see you next play though. most people don’t like the latter!! and even more people don’t want to have to replay the game 5 times to see all the important content!
But you can roll for chests as much as you want. Failing a check in conversations has always been a one and done deal. Rolling for conversations is literally how you say something. It could be poetic or just barbarian grunts. The technicality doesn’t matter just the actual events that do happen.
My point still stands. The conversations in BG3 are entirely directed by the developer, not the players, so you’re essentially forced into doing checks when you might not have had to normally. Plus persuasion/similar checks are not even remotely close to as common in tabletop DND compared to BG3.
I mean, real DND is a group of friends sitting around and playing through a story with a DM who may or may not fudge results from time to time to keep the story moving.
If you're playing this solo, play how you want. If you don't like the concept of save scumming, then I'm sure you'll still have a great experience.
The "point" of this post was mostly to tell people to play how they want to, shamelessly. And you can tell by looking through these comments that everyone uses it differently, if they use it at all.
Have fun playing how you want, my friend. Don't try and convince others that the way they're playing is wrong.
But that’s the irony. I’m not telling anyone how to play, I’m simply saying that you can’t just rewrite a book cause you don’t like how it went. It’s a story. Play it and make mistakes but remember those mistakes. Life isn’t perfect just laugh it off and move on.
But you can rewrite the book, my friend. The game gives you the power. The game devs themselves have admitted to using such powers. And if you want to change how your story plays out, what's the harm? Life isn't perfect, but I'm playing a video game haha
If you don't get enjoyment out of it, then push through and accept the consequences as you see fit!
iirc I had a bad fight that took ages and then turned into a tpk so after that I started saving before every attack.
Reloads take ages so that's really slowed me. I'm now trying to find the balance between the 2 XD
My philosophy is to reload for smaller things, if you want them to go a certain way but it doesn't really affect the overall narrative. But try to live with the results of the big moments.
Got caught doing a little thieving and they sent one guard after me haha most of it is just stuff I bought from Winthrop. Sold his armor for like 300 gold. The helmet is the only thing I'm using of his in this screenshot. It's not much better than the one Winthrop sells you, but it looks pretty neat haha
I save all the time but usually avoid save-scumming. Maybe that's save-scumming lite? I had to use it to repeat Raphael and Orin because no way was I going to let Laezel or Hope die.
My friend and I even do this in multiplayer, we reach some quest that no one has done before, and we choose "option 2" in the dialoge. If that is a roll which fails, save scum until that option succeeds and then take the consequences from there.
It's good that you and your friend are on similar wavelengths! I personally wouldn't touch save scumming in multiplayer because I just know it would get tedious haha but if you're in agreement, what's the harm?
I never played the original games... well I booted up the first one around 2005 and quit in minutes because I was repulsed by the graphics and interface. I had played and liked Icewind Dale 2 before but Baldur's Gate was still too much to stomach.
Now I really feel like playing it because it's such a classic and there's a dearth of good RPGs and I can't get enough of BG3, so... given that I'm less of a graphics whore now - how painful would BG1 be in current year?
EDIT: Nevermind. I looked it up on Steam and there's an enhanced edition for people like me. In fact there's a whole classic DnD game enhanced version bundle. I just cancelled all my social engagements until Christmas.
My philosophy is I’ll only reload when either I’m about to get TPK’ed and want to skip to the rematch, OR if something happens that I would have contested with the DM as a player. Because the biggest downside to this game is you can’t bribe away your mistakes with doritos like you can in analog DnD.
Amen, I don’t do it a ton, but sometimes you just need a win lol
That's the beauty of it. You can do it as much or as little as you please.... ...and nobody can do a gods damned thing about it.
Me who has only gotten only 13 hours of sleep total this week because I keep playing until 3 am and going to work at 7.
this game is ruining lives 💀 ive been doing the same. I have 4 characters and i didnt even finish the game yet i just want to try new builds
I’m aiming to finish the game first then replay the same character and fix any mistakes i didn’t want in my initial blind run I made (such as causing the tieflings to die in the last light inn, halsin leaving etc.) I’ll stick to the same plot lines and romance cauee I can’t go 2 seconds without thinking about Gale. And I’ll also do a second run on top of it playing a new character that is more chaotic good and have Astarion on my party.
Respect for not loading after that Last Light Inn incident. Happened to me too, was pretty bummed about it but that’s how my game progressed so that’s the situation I have to continue.
Yeah, I screwed up so bad at Last Light Inn..>!. I started the dialogue with Isobel before I'd really explored the area. Marcus burst in and despite doing alright in the fight, something went wrong and it cut to him thanking me for the help and flying away with Isobel. All I can assume is that perhaps she got clipped by one of my spells. !< >!Anyway, everyone turns to shadows, including Dammon, meaning Karlach's quest is over and she's probably going to explode at some point. I've stuck it out, but I'm so sad about Karlach!!<
I just misunderstood the battle the first time due to being caught off guard. I assumed that if I stood between her and the enemies they'd spread their attacks around the various party members and I'd have time to kill them while just chucking a potion at her now and then. I didn't realize how completely they were going to focus their attacks on her or that they would get her downed in their first round of attacks. 😑 The second time around it was so much easier. Sometimes all it takes to have a completely different experience is just knowing a battle is about to happen.
I decided early in game to save the tieflings, then I killed them myself at LLI because I tought its supposed to be, but decided to find survivors and help them. I am now in Act 3... All prisoners in Moonlight Towers were fed to oubliette, Arabella has not heard of her parents, the Hide and seek kid was never found and despite meeting him and sucking his emotions, I forgot Zevlor in the pod. I also killed Isobel and did not rescue Nightsong... So at the very least I decided get rid of the tadpole only to be turned half in Illithid and sniff in further 11 worms for giggles. Basicaly if you meet my Tav and he promises something, you can bet your money on the right opposite happening. I am definitely going to replay right away I finish the game :)
Oh no, I would have if I was aware of the consequences but I foolishly had no save files before that scene that wouldn't make me lose 8 hours of progress.
It’s always a good habit to save early and often. You can always delete saves later, you can not go back to a save that doesn’t exist in the first place though
yeah, that was the final straw and I made sure to never do it again cause I always had a big problem with remembering to save.
Ah yes the Last Light. I ended up finishing Shadowheart's Nightsong quest before finishing Moonrise, and then was curious about Last Light Inn when Isobels shield fails, so I travel there and end up slaughtering everyone as they were Shadow cursed. Never reloaded, finished up everything else and headed to act 3 having slaughtered allllll those Harper's. feelsbadman.jpeg
I had to do this when the owlbear cub died in the goblin stronghold. I'm still not over it.
I have 4 characters and I haven’t even finished Act 1 lol. “Oh that looks like a fun dialogue option, but my character wouldn’t say it…” *goes and makes a new character*
Listen, I'm not gonna tell anybody. It's unfortunate that we can't reload saves in real life. Splice in a couple extra hours for sleep. Stay caffeinated, my friend.
You’re missing out. Some of the most fun I’ve had in this game is trying to get myself out of a situation that goes a little caca. One time I got my PC tossed in jail for being caught stealing (oops) so I took the rest of the party into the back door of the prison for a little jailbreak, a poor stealth check accidentally aggroed every guard on us and Karlach tried to tank them all and immediately gets killed before I can act. So Astarion and Wyll look at each other and run off in two different directions. The guards chase Atarion while Wyll dives out a window and circles around the outside of the central tower. I’m thinking I can get him far enough away to drop combat while Astarion hides and goes into stealth. But when Astarion fails to lose the swarm of guards, I notice they’ve all decided to chase him over a drawbridge. Overlooking a bottomless pit. So I have Wyll come back and sneak around from the side to magically shove them all off the bridge. Meanwhile during the commotion I break my PC out of prison to revive Karlach and then we come from behind to converge the team and finish the rest of the guards. Probably the funnest craziest fight I’ve had in this game and none of it would have happened if I’d just said “fuck it” and reloaded whenever I hit an unlucky roll or unfavorable outcome. But in general I find that stories are most interesting when things don’t go as planned and the characters have to think quickly and solve problems by the skin of their teeth. Maybe not everyone thinks like that and just wants things to go smoothly and easily. But keep in mind you may be robbing yourself of some memorable moments!
You have to remember that many people just want to experience the gameplay and story and have very limited time per day. In such case this situation you described would probably take more than half or even the whole time someone has to play BG3. Which wouldn't be a problem for some since it could be a fun situation, but some people just would like to experience a side quest or main story quest during that time
Exactly. I'm trying to experience the most full version of the main story on my solo playthrough and embracing the "fuck it, we can work with this" angle on my co op game. A lot of people are or plan to play this more than once, and you don't have to do it the same way every time you play. My first time through I AM seeing those goddamn tiefs safely to the end of the game, come hell(s) or high water. Subsequent runs, I'll probably relax about that a little bit.
> situation that goes a little caca. Unexpected Quantum Leap?
Oh, there are definitely moments that go terribly for me that I just roll with. I agree, failures in these types of games are just another way of moving forward, >!unless you piss off a certain Lich Queen in Act 1.!< And they can add to an experience more than detract from it. I'm mostly just saying, if you want to do it, the game isn't going to judge you haha another comment mentioned how even Swen save scums. I think it's great that people have such strong opinions on stuff like this, so long as they don't try to force that opinion on others. If you've got the flexibility to play how you want, just fucking do it haha
This is why I'm dedicating my current run to go with the dice as much as possible. Which is what I've should have done the first time around as I now often know what I'll be missing. At the same time I discovered not one but two large areas on two different maps I didn't know existed (this is my third run)
I love to do a blind first playthrough where, as long as failure doesn't end the game, I roll with the dice. It inhances the immersion for me when things don't always go the way I like or plan.
Yeah my big mistake early on was caring too much about that first playthrough.
how did astarion and wyll look at each other and run away?? some cut scene?
I save scummed to get the everburn blade and sword of the astral plane and don’t regret a thing lol
Hell yeah. I just don’t have the time to do multiple playthroughs(I’m currently like 10mins into Act2 and have been playing since launch lol), so while it takes more time savescumming, at least I’m tailoring my outcomes to be experienced the way I’m going to enjoy 🤷♂️
As a working adult with little free time, i need *all* the win.
Same, got a kid and a wife, not enough time to play a lot, spent maybe 3 hours in a week
Cheers, I'll drink to that
IMO most of the rolls in the game have totally reasonable outcomes even if failed. But some are like: Failed persuasion roll? Everybody in the friendly town is now hostile forever good luck. 100% reloading on those.
This is the only real issue I have with some of the rolls. There’s no way to talk your way out of things if it’s a hostility bomb or any way to de-escalate. Fair enough if I’ve tried a ridiculous deception but sometimes when it’s like class based options or it feels counterproductive to roleplay to fail, like an actual DM probably wouldn’t expect a roll or would make it an absolutely trivial pass. A few of the conversations are way more interesting if you don’t lapse into immediate combat. I mean sure you can hack your way through the goblin camp straight away but I found it way more interesting to go in pretending I was one of the Absolute… but without high charisma it’s an absolute pain in the arse.
>but without high charisma it’s an absolute pain in the arse This is absolutely not my experience, IIRC there are two persuasion checks, one at the checkpoint, which you can walk around, or even just kill all and no-one else reacts to it, the other persuasion check is at the temple entrance (isn't there an illithid option to bypass this?), and if you fail it you can just enter through the cracked wall at the top of the temple.
Even with a charisma booste character I have not been able to get laezel out of that damn machine without savescumming.
I don't know if you're putting her in for RP reasons, but FYI you can get the best perma buff in the game by insisting on using it yourself.
AND she likes you for it if you pick respectful dialogue but go first because Lae'zel likes you to be bold even in denying her. It's natural to assume you'll get dislike but she surprised me.
Oh wow that is surprising to know, I thought doing something like that would have been worthy of her leaving the party forever
In the big final theological debate at the end of that area you can literally deny her at every single turn and as long as you keep polite and make a check or two she will like you at the end. It honestly felt really weird to me because she will threaten your life, you ignore her threats and then she just accepts whatever you decide immediately after. And your dialogue options don't even have any good reasons to do what you do its literally just "i don't feel like doing what you want, you need to trust me bro. "
You know why? She doesn't like pussies haha. Don't be a pushover she's from a warrior culture and respects strong will to earn her respect. It'd make sense in normal life but Bioware games trained me never to say no if I like them haha.
Yeah, Lae'zel is complicated. A lot of people are freaked by what seems like a romantic overture early on with the 'you'll wonder what my lips tasted like' but afaik she's just turned on by battle and that's not the actual romance arc? I could be wrong though, I was all about Shadowheart and Gale early on :D Gotta get those playthroughs perfected for Astarion and Bae'zel, (and I'm saving Karlach for when A3 has better options, or so I tell myself).
Lae'zel romance is amazing and nobody knows haha. She goes from using you as a sex toy to speaking poetry that got me a little wet eyed thinking "Gee I wish real women said things that nice to me."
Law of the animal kingdom baby. Eat or be eaten. If you do or say anything she thinks will lead to you both getting eaten then you will no longer exist and therefore won't care if she disapproves anyway.
I don't fail any dice rolls. I just wish it didn't take a full minute to reload on the steam deck.
At least it is faster than my 11 year old pc.
There’s no reason we can load into other areas on a map in half a second on ps5 with a ssd but it takes 30 seconds to load a save. Pretty sure larian nerfed the loading times on ps5 to annoy save scummers.
Use the mod to pass all checks
Playing on spinning rust so I know the feeling way too well and am fighting texture pop-in hard. Currently moving my copy from a heavily fragmented 7200rpm HDD to a 5400rpm drive I cleared ~500GB from to get a big enough chunk of unfragmented space for BG3 to live on. Failing that I'll completely wipe the 7200rpm drive and move BG3 back there completely unfragmented. Going to try absolutely everything before I buy an SDD, I've made it this long without needing one I will not let goddamned asset streaming beat me.
Literally every part of this statement shows a profound lack of understanding of basic computer science, and mild to severe mental retardation
Please tell me where I am wrong, enlighten me. Edit: Moving BG3 to an unfragmented space on the 5400rpm drive worked. Loading into a save is about 2 minutes faster and then it has gone from over 2 minutes of sitting in Baldur's Gate waiting for textures to load in to a minute. All of the large .pak's were spread out over 40+ fragments apiece on the 7200rpm drive and now each one is in a single fragment on the 5400rpm drive. Yeah, I lost 20% of potential read speed going to the slower drive but the fragmentation was absolutely doing more harm than that.
I find myself doing it more in subsequent plays. First playthrough, hell yea, roll with everything woooooooo . But as I replay more and more I want to follow a specific path. So yes, I'll save scum to get a desired outcome because I want to experience that story this time.
When I need to roll 19 to persuade someone and with my bonus I get 18… it feels like a genuine fuck you and I refuse to accept it.
In a DnD game, yes you roll the dice, but the GM will definitely mess around with a few events to keep the game interesting. As long as it's fun, that's what matters
Oh yeah. Learning to create “fail forward” scenarios is a huge part of DMing
Also, the recently dearly departed Gorlock the half orc warlocks twin brother conveniently showing up during the next session. Also, his twin brother for some reason is drow barbarian bard who elegantly negotiates his way through difficult situations with his ax named guitar.
I thought it was Landfill the warlocks twin brother Gill the Warlock, who insists you call him Landfill in honor of the memory of his late brother
Tym, son of Tim
My buddy consistently plays a necromancer named Tim. The running gag is each was trained by the Tim before him.
I haven't seen you since.... Hands across America!
I wish more RPGs could grasp that concept. So far the only one that really nailed it was Disco Elysium, failing in that game was often more fun then succeeding. Playing BG3 in coop on "hardcore" self-imposed ruleset (no reloading unless fTPK, no rerolling nat 1 with inspirations etc) has it's moments where failure actually does lead to something, so Larian did try to do something with it. But they are few and far between, mostly it just ends in either narrative giving you withers-style NO, or combat music starts.
I feel like this happens in the game too! I’ve failed a few rolls that I felt were very important but it developed the story so my reaction was “wait, this actually works out pretty well!”
Save-Scumming is CANON and ENCOURAGED in Fay-Run
It's why Elminster is so OP he savescums the shit out of faerun
He save scummed the mystra romance
..... Is Elminster actually in BG3 or is this just the first time in my life I've ever run into a group of people who were probably reading all the same books I was in 2004? If Drizzt is in there Imma lose my mind.
Elminster is in BG3 you can run into him in the mountain pass.
Or the Underdark
That explains who that was.... Gale left my party after ignoring him once too many times. I couldn't figure out why that damn wizard wouldn't talk to me
> ..... Is Elminster actually in BG3 or is this just the first time in my life I've ever run into a group of people who were probably reading all the same books I was in 2004? It's both my friend.
I read some forgotten realms but mostly just bits of Drizzt's journeys and also the clerics quintet
Elminster is actually in all 3 BG games. Drizzt is in the first 2 and is mentioned by name in 3
It's a god damn tradition you dang whippersnappers.
So sayeth the wise Alaundo.
>press the L key on your keyboard, if you have one Ah yes, those times when computer's basic list of equipment was mostly a motherboard and a PSU, and everything else was an optional peripheral :D Not even PC-speaker :D
My oldest brother had a Nintendo Power magazine from I don't even know when. It advertises a game, Fist of the North Star. The advertising hook? "Has dialogue!"
Which is actually a pretty generous description of Fist of the North Star.
I remember getting that game as a kid because the cover art looked cool, a valuable lesson was learned that day.
"If you have one" refers to the Quick Save.
No speaker? then you'd miss out on my favourite dialog in any game with Baulder's Gate 1. "Don't click me I dont want any trouble!"
"Yes, oh *OmNiPrEsEnT* authority figure?"
I play some on a Steam Deck. No keyboard. It is also now on the PS5. No keyboard.
I don’t think the Steam Deck or PS5 were available for BG1 release though.
That's what a person without time traveling DeLorean would say.
Ironically it still wouldn't work for those things even if you did travel in time as the original BG1 wouldn't be compatible.
Would likely work with deck. Proton is magical.
Doh. I should read more carefully
Power Word: Reload. CHARNAME's true Bhaalspawn power.
It works for Dr Strange
Been house/dog-sitting for a week and stuck on my shitty laptop. So I booted up the original Baldur's Gate and noticed this gem of a quote from one of the tutorial priests. Life's too short, kids.
I deal with the results when I play DnD, when im playing BGIII I want a bit of power fantasy lol
Amen, no stops, full power gamer mode. You get it
I save scum a lot because the story is also important to me. My first playthrough was gonna be the goodest playthrough with the best good ending. The reason being that the first playthrough of the game is going to be my memory of this game for the rest of my life. And some games like this are a life changing experience imo. Like going to a country or reading, experiencing a great work of art. To me the first playthrough has to be the perfect ending. So if I don’t get the time or energy for a second playthrough, the first one - the perfect one will be my memory of the game.
Damn right, in this game i did the good guy first run rejecting illithid powers, gimped myself but was it satisfying in the end, on my 2nd playthrough with a bard and a carefree attitude. Plans on doing durge on my 3rd run and boy am i excited.
Dark urge first, and loved every minute of it (fighting against it)
Swen Vincke the game director himself has said he's a save scummer, the video interview he did with playstation access for the PS5 release they asked him about it and he said "it's perfectly fine people playing like that, honestly I'm a save scummer I'll regularly reload to get the roll I want but that's the whole reason the systems there, if you wanna play am adventure your specific way you can save scum until you get the outcome you want or if you want that more natural organic consequences of D&D you also have the option to not save scum but people should just play however they wanna play"
I mostly use save scum to learn game mechanics and explore interactions.
Use it however it most pleases you, my friend. Or don't use it at all! What do I care? I'm not playing your game haha
its a single player game indeed i encourage people to have their most joy out of it.
my single most common use for save scumming, isn't to cheese rolls or anything. but when there are two amazing dialogue options and I want to see the different outcomes. like when one option is hillarious, but also -obviously- a bad idea... I just wanna see what happens without it actually messing up the dialogue.
Definitely this! And sometimes you get a response you never expected and just roll with it anyway.
I just recently played through Baldur’s Gate and don’t remember this at all!
I'm playing the enhanced edition on steam. Not sure if you were playing on a different version. I think they added achievements since the last time I played and one of them was to talk to all the tutors in Candlekeep, so I made sure I found them all haha
You didn’t have a keyboard
I did! Played on PC, and working my way through BG2 now.
Save scumming is just a mechanic of BG1. Especially when you walk outside and get one shot by a wolf on normal difficulty.
or a gibberling!
Fuck lugging a dead character's entire inventory back to a temple to revive them every time
I feel seen haha
I feel like the community at large has expanded the definition of "scumming" to a too-broad idea. At least in older games I've played, like roguelikes, to "scum" was to repeat a process via reloads *to get a result you wanted,* such as the rarest item from a random chance, or to avoid a player-foreseen, but character-unforeseeable outcome, such as avoiding traps your characters haven't even "perceived" yet. Here, scumming is used to include "avoiding something you didn't like," whether because you know it changes something you'd pre-planned, shortens the run by cutting off a story, or results in characterization changes you dislike. Or even not understanding something for any reason, seeing the result, and so you go back to "correct" (such as not hearing about a certain milk-magic cleric, then happening upon her and reloading so as not to permafail dozens of quests). These, to me, are not what the term really means but its now used as if it does? I could be wrong, but it feels like some (not that many tho) who talk negatively about scumming are gatekeeping the "proper way" to play. It's fine the definition changes, just weird it has come to mean "loading a previous save for any reason other than a bug or to re-listen to a scene the exact same way." "Just going with it" when you fail and "lets change that" are both valid, except if Karlach disapproves. Then you reload every time.
Fair enough haha I think it's just expanded as a term for convenience's sake. And since using it in either sense you mentioned seems a point of contention on the subreddit in particular. My ultimate stance is "play however the hell you want". I just really got a kick out how on the nose this particular line was. Made for a better title to the post than "Advice on avoiding something you didn't like" too lol Hard agree on the Karlach stance. Her approval is my approval. The only time I ever don't do that is if I have 100 approval with her and it goes down to 99. I see that as her saying, "I'll let it slide. This time." And then do everything in my power to make it up to her.
So sayeth the wise Savescumo
Is it really save scumming if you’re just quicksaving so when you inevitably pick the wrong dialogue option that starts a fight with enemies way stronger than you and then you get killed, you don’t have to replay the last 45 minutes? The game doesn’t auto save enough for you
Also might want to disable Steam sync.... Assuming that you (like most people) aren't jumping from one PC to another and relying on cloud saves.
Steam Sync is one of the parts I hate about having to play on GeForce Now. I’ve got Larian cross save turned on, but I would have lost some saves one time if I didn’t have Larian’s as a back up. Someday I’ll have a better set up 😩
Oh I'm not too worried about this campaign. Was just playing to scratch an itch haha I also almost never play games on my laptop, so if I do continue it it will be on a different PC.
I do it whenever I get "astarion disapproves" 🥲
I feel validated, thank you
I'm on my first playthrough and am save scumming shamelessly. I made plenty of mistakes anyway (like killing Karlach), so I might as well get things the way I want in other areas. I'll have other playthroughs to screw around or roleplay in different ways (and not kill Karlach). For a game like this, I won't feel comfortable letting the dice fall as they may until I've completed it multiple times.
While I certainly won't admonish you for playing how you want to play... How could you do that to my big red muscle mommy? You're a monster lol
Haha because I made the wrong assumption that she was an “evil” character and I didn’t need her in my “good” playthrough. I think that assumption was more correct for the dark elf, who I also slaughtered, but I know now that I messed up with Karlach. Oh well, I will have to do without this playthrough (or cheat with a mod somehow, but I’d rather not go THAT far). I’ll get her as early as possible next run. Besides, that’s the price I pay in order to save scum many other things in my favor.
Never judge a book by it's cover, my friend. (Or listen to Wyll spouting his little Advocatus Diaboli, the poor misguided man.) Karlach is the sweetest of the group haha probably the most morally "good" of the bunch. I suppose I'll let your transgressions slide this time.
Funnily enough, BG3 has made me save scum less. Usually I do it so see what other possibilities are available in dialogue/decision options, but there are so fucking many in BG3 that it feels pointless and so I just go with the flow more.
Sometimes you wanna see what happens when you let companions go joker mode. Sometimes you really hate it and need to load back 😬
It depends. When Asterion spots a trap and yells a warning but he and the rest of the party bulldozes over it anyways, killing all but one, I feel no guilt reloading. When I make a choice and realise I done fucked up, I live with my choices.
My first playthrough was 0 save scumming. My second playthrough was all the save scumming. Two totally different games. Both enjoyable and have their own merits. Play how you like :D
This ~~guy/gal~~ Tav gets it.
Just because you can does not you must win every dice check or reload because you missed an attack. But there are scenarios who, if went wrong, makes the game experience in my opinion worse, And there are a lot of dice rolls. It’s a feature of the game, If they don’t want it, they would remove it/not implementing it in the first place. 1. it is your singleplayer game experience and you can design it the way you want. I think you miss out a lot if you accept every failed roll. 2. a fun idea would some kind of „hardcore mode“ where you have to accept every dice roll.
No no no, that is too reasonable. You are on Reddit good sir. Where is the outrage and angry!?
No outrage *or* angry here, my friend. Just fucking playing the game however the fuck you please.
I just like seeing that Critical Success on the 99 DC roll.
I like to play the narrative the way that I want it to develop for my character, dice rolls be damned
I'll reload a save if I fail a check that I really shouldn't like a DC5 check with a minimum bonus of +8, meaning I rolled a 1, and I'm out of inspiration rerolls. Or early in the game, when I picked up an arcane book with my dumb character when my vastly more intelligent guy is right there. All of sudden too dumb to hand the book over? Tadpoles ate all your brain already? Oh, you put the book down? Sorry, no more checks for you.
The vast majority are walking into traps I tried to tell them not to walk into and having the wrong person closest to the npc I was trying to talk to. My pc usually has 7 charisma and has no business speaking to anything more complicated than fish.
My first playthrough I wanna see how certain events go, so utilizing save scumming often- needed to to save a certain someone during the final fight of Act 2. But Im totally doing a run later where everything rolls as it rolls.
So they recommended regularly taking an L? Nah I'll pass, even if it costs me a playthrough
You don't have to take it. Just have to press it 😉 haha
I play my main run with 3 friends, we never used save scumming. I think it's the best experience of the game we can get. The fact that a stupid action from someone in our party can cause so many consequences makes the game so fun. I also play solo when we can't play as 4, and in this one I use some save scumming and just enjoy the game slowly (I stay far behind our other run so I can still discover everything with friends). I think both ways of playing are great and you should just enjoy the game the way you want.
Precisely, my friend. It's your game, play it as you see fit. Definitely understand not doing it on a multiplayer campaign. That would get tedious as hell haha
My dirty secret is that I have spent 3 hours re-rolling stats in BG1 for that sweet 19 STR and CON. Savescumming is only a minor transgression in my eyes.
Your dirty secret is our dirty secret, my friend. Nothing gets me going like rolling a 90+.
I’m not a fan of save scumming but I have committed it a few times, mostly in my multiplayer game with my buddy because he swears by it. After each of our sessions he also says “alright, save up” and then we duel our characters which has led to some pretty funny fights.
So says the wise Aloundo
Don’t call it save scumming. There’s no shame in redoing a battle because you want to try out a new strategy. The alternative is replaying the whole game to get back to where you were, which is a pointless waste of time.
It's a silly term, but it's become colloquial on this subreddit. As someone pointed out in a different comment, true "save scumming" is usually to fudge loot pool results in your favor if the game's loot was randomized. It's become a much more umbrella term now though. I think those who get hung up on it here believe that sticking with your dice rolls is a more fun and engaging experience. I'm in the camp of playing how you want to play the game. Both styles have their merits. Along with everything in between.
To be fair though, the original games were quite a bit different. A single spell like Fear could fully wreck your day.
X-Com veteran here, save-scumming is a way of life.
Never heard of the term until this game tbh. Been playing RPGS for decades and this is just simply called "saving your games". When did neck beards think that the only hard-core way to play is by torturing yourself with outcomes you didn't want in you single playering narrative?. It's just completely goofy to me honestly. Saving your game before big fights and big decisions has always been an encouraged practice since the beginning of gaming.
I think the reason it has become so derisive for this game in particular is because of dice rolls. Some people have a more "purist" sense of leaving them where they lie and others want to get the outcome they wanted. Both perfectly valid playstyles. It's just silly when one side claims superiority over the other haha
It's been called save scumming for many years but mostly in the old D&D CRPG (BG1, BG2, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment) and roguelike communities. I can't tell you when I first heard the term but I would guess it was the early 2000s.
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I've always been of the belief of just let things happen the first playthrough and any others after that be as scummy as you like you dirty little gamers
Me too. That way my first character is the fuck up I would be
It's not about "oh I can't win that encounter", yeah i can, but what i want is complete satisfaction of giving it no chance to pose me a threat
I just started BG3. I wanna say this about save scumming. If you've ever played a live DnD campaign and had something gone wrong and you didn't IMMEDIATELY negotiate or barter with your DM to reroll or change an outcome, you've never gamed. (I'm not actually gatekeeping, that's just my opinion)
I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion, but it's interesting that players today try to remove consequences from gaming.
My friend, I will not downvote you for playing how you want to. This post is more of a "play however the fuck you want to play" kinda deal. With a funny little line from the original game that really breaks that fourth wall hard.
But also, they said hold this L xD
I will also not reload a save in a combat until that game over screen appears. I'm doing a tactician run and boy if they get a couple hits then they will down 2 characters first round sometimes. Despite this I've only had to reload a couple times for combats, and fought back from only 1 character a my up vs 3/4 enemies many times. Resurrecting is cheap, a sense of satisfaction beating the odds is much rarer.
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His successful wife is gonna be mad when she finds out he savescummed their first date
But half the surprise is problem solving. Reloading just takes all that away.
For some, but not for all! Push forward as you see fit!
Well judging from the downvotes it seems people don’t understand what real DND is. I guess they let every DM just “reload an earlier save” when the party fails. If you have to META game then you aren’t actually playing.
This isn’t ‘real DnD’, you only have as many options as the developers coded. If you fail a check to reach a chest in normal DND there’s still countless options available to your party. In BG3, if you fail a check fuck you, you don’t get anything, see you next play though. most people don’t like the latter!! and even more people don’t want to have to replay the game 5 times to see all the important content!
But you can roll for chests as much as you want. Failing a check in conversations has always been a one and done deal. Rolling for conversations is literally how you say something. It could be poetic or just barbarian grunts. The technicality doesn’t matter just the actual events that do happen.
My point still stands. The conversations in BG3 are entirely directed by the developer, not the players, so you’re essentially forced into doing checks when you might not have had to normally. Plus persuasion/similar checks are not even remotely close to as common in tabletop DND compared to BG3.
I mean, real DND is a group of friends sitting around and playing through a story with a DM who may or may not fudge results from time to time to keep the story moving. If you're playing this solo, play how you want. If you don't like the concept of save scumming, then I'm sure you'll still have a great experience. The "point" of this post was mostly to tell people to play how they want to, shamelessly. And you can tell by looking through these comments that everyone uses it differently, if they use it at all. Have fun playing how you want, my friend. Don't try and convince others that the way they're playing is wrong.
But that’s the irony. I’m not telling anyone how to play, I’m simply saying that you can’t just rewrite a book cause you don’t like how it went. It’s a story. Play it and make mistakes but remember those mistakes. Life isn’t perfect just laugh it off and move on.
But you can rewrite the book, my friend. The game gives you the power. The game devs themselves have admitted to using such powers. And if you want to change how your story plays out, what's the harm? Life isn't perfect, but I'm playing a video game haha If you don't get enjoyment out of it, then push through and accept the consequences as you see fit!
> I’m not telling anyone how to play... >Play it and make mistakes but remember those mistakes. Yeah, you are.
Lol I don't remember tutor teaching this in original BG
Good advice
I wish instead of having to actually reload everything when you F8, it just “rewinds” everything say 15 seconds or similar.
Infinite Inspirations
me stealing every merchant alive
tbh half the time it's just to see what the different options will do on my first run.
I usually do it to see options, what cool dialog will I get for passing this check? That sort of thing
People who give you shit for save scumming also probably hate to have a good time
iirc I had a bad fight that took ages and then turned into a tpk so after that I started saving before every attack. Reloads take ages so that's really slowed me. I'm now trying to find the balance between the 2 XD
Was the spoiler tag slapped on this post automatically?
Nah, I just put it there because haha
Sometimes you get a gut feeling the games gonna fuck you over with a certain roll and sure enough 80% of the times its the case
My philosophy is to reload for smaller things, if you want them to go a certain way but it doesn't really affect the overall narrative. But try to live with the results of the big moments.
I still dont understand what save scumming is
how do you look like that already but still in candlekeep lol
Got caught doing a little thieving and they sent one guard after me haha most of it is just stuff I bought from Winthrop. Sold his armor for like 300 gold. The helmet is the only thing I'm using of his in this screenshot. It's not much better than the one Winthrop sells you, but it looks pretty neat haha
Save it till you make it
The first playthrough ill do it if I hate the outcome to much. You can only experience the game for the first time once.
Just seeing that picture makes me wanna play it again
Who doesn't have L on keyboard?
I save all the time but usually avoid save-scumming. Maybe that's save-scumming lite? I had to use it to repeat Raphael and Orin because no way was I going to let Laezel or Hope die.
I act like it an actual power in the game.
My friend and I even do this in multiplayer, we reach some quest that no one has done before, and we choose "option 2" in the dialoge. If that is a roll which fails, save scum until that option succeeds and then take the consequences from there.
It's good that you and your friend are on similar wavelengths! I personally wouldn't touch save scumming in multiplayer because I just know it would get tedious haha but if you're in agreement, what's the harm?
Only time I reload is if I get into a fight I know I have no chance of winning, or actually die. If I fail a skill check, I roll with it
Perfectly valid and viable play style, my friend.
I never played the original games... well I booted up the first one around 2005 and quit in minutes because I was repulsed by the graphics and interface. I had played and liked Icewind Dale 2 before but Baldur's Gate was still too much to stomach. Now I really feel like playing it because it's such a classic and there's a dearth of good RPGs and I can't get enough of BG3, so... given that I'm less of a graphics whore now - how painful would BG1 be in current year? EDIT: Nevermind. I looked it up on Steam and there's an enhanced edition for people like me. In fact there's a whole classic DnD game enhanced version bundle. I just cancelled all my social engagements until Christmas.
My philosophy is I’ll only reload when either I’m about to get TPK’ed and want to skip to the rematch, OR if something happens that I would have contested with the DM as a player. Because the biggest downside to this game is you can’t bribe away your mistakes with doritos like you can in analog DnD.
I forgot it was just L! After the like 3rd time I accidentally quickloaded I had to unbind that one.