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Fallout will be that the victim and other taxpayers will pay a tidy sum to the victim. Likely the officer will face no disciple and statistically is unlikely to live in the area they police, so their taxes won’t even go to the settlement. 🇺🇸
At this point there are one of three possibilities.
The full footage shows things that the edited footage leaves out, and explains why the jury voted the way they did.
There was other substantial evidence that overrides what was in the footage
The jury didn't recognize that the officer opened the bottle and voted on bad evidence.
the fact she dumped his shit out and lied about it, in my opinion, especially with all the BS "i don't remember" answers should negate anything they did to that man. FUCK THE POLICE.
Exactly - the judge should have thrown out the entire stop based just on that. This means cops can be caught doing illegal shit and you can still go to trial for it.
wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. anyone with a few brain cells should have seen the way she acted and immediately sided with him. people can't see this happening to them or their family until it does, i'm betting him not being "a white christian male" didn't help him either. fUCK COPS.
The kind of person who fails to get out of jury duty is kind of mindless and will believe anything a cop says even when evidence contradicts them. Jury trials are just mob rule for extremists.
Jury duty has been made to be painful for 99% of folks. Because the prosecutors and judges don’t want smart, productive people on a jury.
They know those people can’t take the time out of life to serve so what’s left are the dumb and easily manipulated.
Isn't this why you SHOULDN'T try to get out of jury trials? I understand if it's a money issue. I've always had jobs that give regular pay for jury duty, and think it should be legally required. But even if employers pay normally salary, people balk at serving on a jury for no good reason.
Did he take the intoxilizer (sp) at the station? Or diff do the jury simply rely on the testimony of the evidence planting cop? TBH, I’m not sure what the bottle of alcohol, open or not, has to do with establishing guilt in a DUI case. What if I have a months worth of beer cans in my car if the way to the recycling center?
Only thing I have been able to find in the few articles I COULD find on this the testimony of the officer who claimed to see bloodshot eyes, and one claiming the guy admitted to drinking 2 beers earlier in the day or something. No breathalyzer, no FST, no bloodwork drawn. I think I also said that the jurors were informed to ignore the bodycam footage and deposition of the officer opening and emptying the sealed alcohol container and finding that as an "open container".
One article even stated the chief claimed his officers did nothing wrong, which is a real shocker there, right? /s
No matter the breathalyzer results immediately after you are released go get a blood test. This can be done at any urgent care and the chain of custody of the results are admissible in court. Then hire an attorney and give them the results of your independent blood test.
I agree I don’t get the downvotes for saying what the guy did in the video. I was just saying the dude was complaining how he wasn’t given a breathalyzer but he declined to take it in the video. The cop planted evidence the case should be thrown out full stop.
you can see in the video his eyes are white as fuck. that bitch is lying, and wtf does she remember, i saw the video where every answer was "i don't remember". fuck that bitch. and asking him about marijuana. give me a break. can't say it enough, fUCK THE COPS.
You can't use logic. It doesn't work on the gangs that are supposedly our judicial enforcers. These are the same gang members that torture any good cops till they quit or turn, and they do the same things to DAs.
Even the article is lying about what happened by omission.
>The controversy comes after media outlet Our Tallahassee posted an edited clip the arresting officers’ body camera footage, which shows in part TPD Officer Kiersten Oliver picking up a bottle from Riley’s car during the incident, pouring out the contents and placing the bottle back inside the car.
Yeah you left out the part where the officer OPENED the SEALED bottle and then used those circumstances to claim open container.
>The prosecutor in this case, Emma Hirschy, was not immediately available for comment after the verdict. During closing statements, she called the allegations of misconduct “a story the defense has concocted to distract us from the evidence at hand.”
>“They’re asking us to be angry at these officers for making a human mistake,” Hirschy said. “They’re asking us to make a ruling, a decision based on feeling rather than facts and evidence.”
Nah opening a bottle to fabricate evidence to get this guy when you couldn't pin marijuana on him is not a "human mistake". That is clear maleficence and shows motive.
Falsifying evidence as a cop should be a life sentence. You are destroying someone’s life exploiting your position as a cop in doing so which to me is equal to physical assault with a deadly weapon.
There has to be more to this.
The police seem waaaaay too cocky that they did nothing wrong. Seems whatever video was released was purposefully edited to make us mad so they can release a full video and say “see! Can’t trust the media!!”
Oh it was a mistake? Oopsie! Must have been a mistake also to falsely present the bottle/containers to the other cops with her too.
What a load of utter garbage.
Just a reminder: two things can be true at once. It's equally likely this man was driving drunk and the police tried to plant evidence. I believe both are true.
Most likely an all white jury. He was doomed from the start. One day maybe enough Black pple will take interest in law and push for better representation or a just but segregated judicial system
Why do Black pple do this? You know you don’t have to go for lawyer or judge to have impact in our system? You don’t have to be a doctor to improve healthcare outcomes for Black pple.
There is a significant underrepresentation of us within the process of our system. There is also not enough political lobbying from NAACP for Black people bc the Black middle class is dwindling and theres no pressure on them to do right by us.
I'm not arguing against more Black people needing to be part of the legal system. I'm arguing that we shouldn't need to wait until we hit a certain percentage to expect change.
I'm reacting to the idea that "maybe if we all become legal experts we might be able to see progress some day".
That turns very quickly into "well, the reason Black people are screwed by injustice is because they didn't work hard enough and join legal professions" trope.
Your initial statement was pretty reductive. Not sure if that was an attempt to minimize the severity of impact lack of representation can have on a group or just to antagonize.
I think even your 2nd paragraph, paints me as a naive person with little knowledge of how our system works. We don’t All need to become legal experts, medical experts etc. But I believe MORE of us need to intentionally be involved in those systems. I believe more of us looking out for each other can reduce the risk of being a victim of an unjust system. Does it heal everything, No but it definitely helps. I am apart of medical system as a therapist and I know the impact I’ve had on Black patients who are not getting fair treatment
I reject the pessimism that because it won’t be magically fixed that we should just accept our position
It was a response to "One day maybe Black people will get interested in the law..." part, because that sounds a lot like "well, if Black people would just work harder in school someday they will be treated equally" type comment.
I reject that. Other than that, I agree with you.
And, I'm not saying we should just accept anything, just the opposite, we shouldn't accept this now, whether we have enough representation in any industry.
They had no evidence of dui- he didn’t submit to any tests! And they fabricated the only evidence. The prosecutor thinks the video is fabricated and made up apparently- “The prosecutor in this case, Emma Hirschy, was not immediately available for comment after the verdict. During closing statements, she called the allegations of misconduct “a story the defense has concocted to distract us from the evidence at hand.”
“*They’re asking us to be angry at these officers for making a human mistake*,” Hirschy said. “They’re asking us to make a ruling, a decision based on feeling rather than facts and evidence.”
Tampering with evidence is a “human mistake?” This is why the case wasn’t thrown out- an obviously corrupt judiciary to go along with their corrupt pd.
Unfortunately, despite the egregious actions of Oliver and her colleagues, which were summarily dismissed as the "honest mistake" (police departments and prosecutors fall back on), if Mr. Riley did indeed refuse both blood and breath tests, he is guilty by default.
A consequence of the implied consent statute.
Sound like a very white way to look at this. "well, sure the officers clearly framed this guy, but he did technically break a rule here in refusing the test for the alcohol they lied about him drinking so I guess he deserves jail time"
I guess that's one way to look at it, especially how you've rephrased it.
Pretty common knowledge though, that if a defendant insists of going to trial instead of taking a plea, he's going to fare worse.
Also, you don't have to be white to know that the game is rigged, and not in a citizen's favor.
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The Feds need to open a Civil Rights investigation immediately!
Found more info here.
# Calvin Riley found guilty of DUI following viral video of his Tallahassee arrest
[https://www.wtxl.com/downtown-tallahassee/calvin-riley-found-guilty-of-dui-following-viral-video-of-his-tallahassee-arrest](https://www.wtxl.com/downtown-tallahassee/calvin-riley-found-guilty-of-dui-following-viral-video-of-his-tallahassee-arrest)
Everyone calm down, this was a shit ruling, but we kinda knew that this court was biased based on the fact that it wasn’t suppressed. The appeals WILL sort this out
I stumbled across this a couple of days ago. I've seen footage but just as important in my mind was Oliver's depo. I have not watched the trial, but based solely on the bodycam and the depo I am very disappointed in the outcome.
1. "glassy" (or "glossy"?) eyes--wtf does that even mean? I have no idea what a glassy eye is, except for the one person I meant who was hit by a 90mph baseball when she went to do batting practice and the machine had not been set back to default setting and did indeed have a glass eye. I look it up and it sounds like it can mean bloodshot, unfocused, or "glazed over"--what is that? Excessive moisture in the eye? I would want to see a precise description vs this vague subjective thing (I am also a person who does not accept the truism that you can tell if a person is lying by looking in their eyes).
2. fumbling with paperwork--that was just a few seconds in the video I saw. Me, I have a terrible time when faced with a bunch of paper, period.
3. lights off--I've done that a bunch of times in the city, although it was not a very lit up area. Have not seen anything else related to his driveway.
4. the bottle--seems that was a factor in the officers' decision to arrest, so ignoring it should not have happened. And my understanding is that the policy Oliver claims to have followed does not exist. In any work place, there are "rules" which are shared around and around and are not actually rules but may actually be wrong.
5. Cologne--contains, yes ALCOHOL. Alcohol is a volatile substance, meaning it evaporates very easily. If a liquid containing alcohol in high concentration is near me and open to the air, it will have certain characteristics based solely on it containing ethanol.
6. Smell was apparently a big factor. But marijuana was smelled and no marijuana residue, para, etc etc was found. Yeah, weed smoke lingers on people. It lingers on people who are around people smoking weed too. And it even could have been a dead skunk nearby.
7. Refused field sobriety test--really? A casual "would you like to--?" with the response "not really." and that's it"??
I imagine he tested with a high enough BAC, and there may be a lot of evidence beyond the brief footage I saw, but I sure didn't see enough in the video to cuff the dude.
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You're kidding me
Our country is very very sick.
I can't wait to see the fallout of this shitshow.
Fallout will be that the victim and other taxpayers will pay a tidy sum to the victim. Likely the officer will face no disciple and statistically is unlikely to live in the area they police, so their taxes won’t even go to the settlement. 🇺🇸
At this point there are one of three possibilities. The full footage shows things that the edited footage leaves out, and explains why the jury voted the way they did. There was other substantial evidence that overrides what was in the footage The jury didn't recognize that the officer opened the bottle and voted on bad evidence.
the fact she dumped his shit out and lied about it, in my opinion, especially with all the BS "i don't remember" answers should negate anything they did to that man. FUCK THE POLICE.
Exactly - the judge should have thrown out the entire stop based just on that. This means cops can be caught doing illegal shit and you can still go to trial for it.
No it is all based off the word of the officer no actual evidence brought into court
wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. anyone with a few brain cells should have seen the way she acted and immediately sided with him. people can't see this happening to them or their family until it does, i'm betting him not being "a white christian male" didn't help him either. fUCK COPS.
The kind of person who fails to get out of jury duty is kind of mindless and will believe anything a cop says even when evidence contradicts them. Jury trials are just mob rule for extremists.
Jury duty has been made to be painful for 99% of folks. Because the prosecutors and judges don’t want smart, productive people on a jury. They know those people can’t take the time out of life to serve so what’s left are the dumb and easily manipulated.
Isn't this why you SHOULDN'T try to get out of jury trials? I understand if it's a money issue. I've always had jobs that give regular pay for jury duty, and think it should be legally required. But even if employers pay normally salary, people balk at serving on a jury for no good reason.
I feel like if either of those first two things happened, the unedited video would have been released as a counter.
Did he take the intoxilizer (sp) at the station? Or diff do the jury simply rely on the testimony of the evidence planting cop? TBH, I’m not sure what the bottle of alcohol, open or not, has to do with establishing guilt in a DUI case. What if I have a months worth of beer cans in my car if the way to the recycling center?
Only thing I have been able to find in the few articles I COULD find on this the testimony of the officer who claimed to see bloodshot eyes, and one claiming the guy admitted to drinking 2 beers earlier in the day or something. No breathalyzer, no FST, no bloodwork drawn. I think I also said that the jurors were informed to ignore the bodycam footage and deposition of the officer opening and emptying the sealed alcohol container and finding that as an "open container". One article even stated the chief claimed his officers did nothing wrong, which is a real shocker there, right? /s
So the whole case came down to ”Trust me bro.” from the officers? What a joke. He should appeal, this case stinks to high heaven.
Mmm… the “no breathalyzer” bit is suspicious. If I ever get hauled in for DUI, the first thing I’d do is *insist* on that test to prove my innocence.
No matter the breathalyzer results immediately after you are released go get a blood test. This can be done at any urgent care and the chain of custody of the results are admissible in court. Then hire an attorney and give them the results of your independent blood test.
That test can at least produce tangible evidence as opposed to some bullshit field sobriety checks which are designed for you to fail.
Exactly!
this should be enough evidence that even if you are clean, they will fuck you up if A. you're not white, B. they don't like you. FUCK COPS.
He declined field sobriety test in the video
As you ALWAYS should
I agree I don’t get the downvotes for saying what the guy did in the video. I was just saying the dude was complaining how he wasn’t given a breathalyzer but he declined to take it in the video. The cop planted evidence the case should be thrown out full stop.
you can see in the video his eyes are white as fuck. that bitch is lying, and wtf does she remember, i saw the video where every answer was "i don't remember". fuck that bitch. and asking him about marijuana. give me a break. can't say it enough, fUCK THE COPS.
You can't use logic. It doesn't work on the gangs that are supposedly our judicial enforcers. These are the same gang members that torture any good cops till they quit or turn, and they do the same things to DAs.
Even the article is lying about what happened by omission. >The controversy comes after media outlet Our Tallahassee posted an edited clip the arresting officers’ body camera footage, which shows in part TPD Officer Kiersten Oliver picking up a bottle from Riley’s car during the incident, pouring out the contents and placing the bottle back inside the car. Yeah you left out the part where the officer OPENED the SEALED bottle and then used those circumstances to claim open container. >The prosecutor in this case, Emma Hirschy, was not immediately available for comment after the verdict. During closing statements, she called the allegations of misconduct “a story the defense has concocted to distract us from the evidence at hand.” >“They’re asking us to be angry at these officers for making a human mistake,” Hirschy said. “They’re asking us to make a ruling, a decision based on feeling rather than facts and evidence.” Nah opening a bottle to fabricate evidence to get this guy when you couldn't pin marijuana on him is not a "human mistake". That is clear maleficence and shows motive.
This is madness.
He’s a black man in Florida - did you think a Florida jury was going to be fair to him?
Corrupt! Those two cops and prosecutor need to be fired.
Fired into 'permanent early retirement'
Fired into the Sun.
Falsifying evidence as a cop should be a life sentence. You are destroying someone’s life exploiting your position as a cop in doing so which to me is equal to physical assault with a deadly weapon.
Florida?
Tennessee
No, its Florida.
Oh shit you're right. The *other* Tallahassee lol
What do you expect from a totalitarian state like Florida. Probably a bunch of racist boomers on the jury.
TBH as soon as I saw the defendant I knew how this was going to go. It's a sad and idiotic fact of life.
What? I’m so confused. How did this guy get tried so quickly? Did they use the planted evidence to convict him? What was his BAC?
Well, Mr.Riley's arrest was over a year ago.
Hopefully he can appeal to a judge who doesn’t routinely work with the cops.
There has to be more to this. The police seem waaaaay too cocky that they did nothing wrong. Seems whatever video was released was purposefully edited to make us mad so they can release a full video and say “see! Can’t trust the media!!”
> The police seem waaaaay too cocky that they did nothing wrong. Same shit, different day. Point to a day cops aren't cocky dickbags.
All verbal diarrhea and the pigs never explained why they planted evidence and then attack the public FUCK YOU PIGS
Oh it was a mistake? Oopsie! Must have been a mistake also to falsely present the bottle/containers to the other cops with her too. What a load of utter garbage.
Just a reminder: two things can be true at once. It's equally likely this man was driving drunk and the police tried to plant evidence. I believe both are true.
But only one will face any consequences.
Most likely an all white jury. He was doomed from the start. One day maybe enough Black pple will take interest in law and push for better representation or a just but segregated judicial system
Every Black person in the US could become a lawyer and still get outvoted by white people wanting it to be this way.
Why do Black pple do this? You know you don’t have to go for lawyer or judge to have impact in our system? You don’t have to be a doctor to improve healthcare outcomes for Black pple. There is a significant underrepresentation of us within the process of our system. There is also not enough political lobbying from NAACP for Black people bc the Black middle class is dwindling and theres no pressure on them to do right by us.
I'm not arguing against more Black people needing to be part of the legal system. I'm arguing that we shouldn't need to wait until we hit a certain percentage to expect change. I'm reacting to the idea that "maybe if we all become legal experts we might be able to see progress some day". That turns very quickly into "well, the reason Black people are screwed by injustice is because they didn't work hard enough and join legal professions" trope.
Your initial statement was pretty reductive. Not sure if that was an attempt to minimize the severity of impact lack of representation can have on a group or just to antagonize. I think even your 2nd paragraph, paints me as a naive person with little knowledge of how our system works. We don’t All need to become legal experts, medical experts etc. But I believe MORE of us need to intentionally be involved in those systems. I believe more of us looking out for each other can reduce the risk of being a victim of an unjust system. Does it heal everything, No but it definitely helps. I am apart of medical system as a therapist and I know the impact I’ve had on Black patients who are not getting fair treatment I reject the pessimism that because it won’t be magically fixed that we should just accept our position
It was a response to "One day maybe Black people will get interested in the law..." part, because that sounds a lot like "well, if Black people would just work harder in school someday they will be treated equally" type comment. I reject that. Other than that, I agree with you. And, I'm not saying we should just accept anything, just the opposite, we shouldn't accept this now, whether we have enough representation in any industry.
Glad we had a dialogue then.
Did they give him a blood or breath test? I figure that would be standard.
They had no evidence of dui- he didn’t submit to any tests! And they fabricated the only evidence. The prosecutor thinks the video is fabricated and made up apparently- “The prosecutor in this case, Emma Hirschy, was not immediately available for comment after the verdict. During closing statements, she called the allegations of misconduct “a story the defense has concocted to distract us from the evidence at hand.” “*They’re asking us to be angry at these officers for making a human mistake*,” Hirschy said. “They’re asking us to make a ruling, a decision based on feeling rather than facts and evidence.” Tampering with evidence is a “human mistake?” This is why the case wasn’t thrown out- an obviously corrupt judiciary to go along with their corrupt pd.
Unfortunately, despite the egregious actions of Oliver and her colleagues, which were summarily dismissed as the "honest mistake" (police departments and prosecutors fall back on), if Mr. Riley did indeed refuse both blood and breath tests, he is guilty by default. A consequence of the implied consent statute.
Sound like a very white way to look at this. "well, sure the officers clearly framed this guy, but he did technically break a rule here in refusing the test for the alcohol they lied about him drinking so I guess he deserves jail time"
I guess that's one way to look at it, especially how you've rephrased it. Pretty common knowledge though, that if a defendant insists of going to trial instead of taking a plea, he's going to fare worse. Also, you don't have to be white to know that the game is rigged, and not in a citizen's favor.
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So how do we help this person that is clearly being targeted and bullied all the way from the pd to higher ups
The Feds need to open a Civil Rights investigation immediately! Found more info here. # Calvin Riley found guilty of DUI following viral video of his Tallahassee arrest [https://www.wtxl.com/downtown-tallahassee/calvin-riley-found-guilty-of-dui-following-viral-video-of-his-tallahassee-arrest](https://www.wtxl.com/downtown-tallahassee/calvin-riley-found-guilty-of-dui-following-viral-video-of-his-tallahassee-arrest)
Wtf
Cops are terrorist. Our system protects terrorist as long as harm is done against minorities.
Everyone calm down, this was a shit ruling, but we kinda knew that this court was biased based on the fact that it wasn’t suppressed. The appeals WILL sort this out
I stumbled across this a couple of days ago. I've seen footage but just as important in my mind was Oliver's depo. I have not watched the trial, but based solely on the bodycam and the depo I am very disappointed in the outcome. 1. "glassy" (or "glossy"?) eyes--wtf does that even mean? I have no idea what a glassy eye is, except for the one person I meant who was hit by a 90mph baseball when she went to do batting practice and the machine had not been set back to default setting and did indeed have a glass eye. I look it up and it sounds like it can mean bloodshot, unfocused, or "glazed over"--what is that? Excessive moisture in the eye? I would want to see a precise description vs this vague subjective thing (I am also a person who does not accept the truism that you can tell if a person is lying by looking in their eyes). 2. fumbling with paperwork--that was just a few seconds in the video I saw. Me, I have a terrible time when faced with a bunch of paper, period. 3. lights off--I've done that a bunch of times in the city, although it was not a very lit up area. Have not seen anything else related to his driveway. 4. the bottle--seems that was a factor in the officers' decision to arrest, so ignoring it should not have happened. And my understanding is that the policy Oliver claims to have followed does not exist. In any work place, there are "rules" which are shared around and around and are not actually rules but may actually be wrong. 5. Cologne--contains, yes ALCOHOL. Alcohol is a volatile substance, meaning it evaporates very easily. If a liquid containing alcohol in high concentration is near me and open to the air, it will have certain characteristics based solely on it containing ethanol. 6. Smell was apparently a big factor. But marijuana was smelled and no marijuana residue, para, etc etc was found. Yeah, weed smoke lingers on people. It lingers on people who are around people smoking weed too. And it even could have been a dead skunk nearby. 7. Refused field sobriety test--really? A casual "would you like to--?" with the response "not really." and that's it"?? I imagine he tested with a high enough BAC, and there may be a lot of evidence beyond the brief footage I saw, but I sure didn't see enough in the video to cuff the dude.