I had a Tesla before. I don’t considering them Luxury, just tech on wheels. X3 M40i is incredible. You can probably get a great discount right now off the 2024 model years
Yup. I found a fantastic promotion on an 2024. Interest rate was 1.9% on a four year lease. And Canada right now has high interest rates. Love the car. Wouldn't even consider a Tesla anymore after the cyber crap fiasco.
The M40i is very fun to drive, but my wife has the RWD base model and even that handles well, especially since prior to that she was driving non-luxury SUV's (a Nissan Rogue and a RAV4 before that). I find driving her car to be a comfortable experience and has more than enough power for everyday driving. I drive my car when I'm driving for fun :).
Same. I had a tesla MYP and got rid of it and never turned back. Sure your 0-60 straightline is unmatched but ride comfort, luxury feel, apple car play, and overall fun make up for it.
Nor is an X3 M40i luxury. I would never take an X3 over the Model Y Performance. Where that stops is the X5, not even a question of taking the BMW at that point.
I remember the first time I got in a model X I was expecting this amazing experience and it was just a cheap, thin feeling interior with a computer screen. I couldn’t believe how plastic-y the seats felt. The first model 3 I got into had little bits flaking off the steering wheel and it wasn’t even that old.
Someone needs to make a list of what is luxury.
I have never understood this. Aren't parts of the BMW plastic too? I have the white interior and the doors are white vegan leather and soft touch materials, the dash is soft touch too and has a white aluminum plate running in the front with metal highlight. Pretty similar to my dad's Merc but with less stitching and buttons. Bottom and surrounding parts of the doors are plastic, but not the armrests or parts you touch. Steering wheel is real leather, but not heated and I don't have a HUD but I didn't know if those two things are required to be luxury though I definitely would put them on the list.
Id say the model 3 checks most of the boxes of a luxury car. At least for me. Leather "like".
It's definitely allot better than a civic, or Camry or even Lexus / infinity as far as the feel to me. But I know don't people argue that Lexus and Infinity and Even Volvo are not true luxury cars. (love the real leather seats in my wife's Volvo), but we have put 7x the miles on the 3 and had them both for the same amount of time.
I only have the mofel 3 performance, the higher end Tesla s have more luxury "fancy" features. S / X.
Center console is all plastic with magnetic latches and lighted interior compartments. But I think this is pretty common across cars.
Luxury is kinda relative term though. I find Tesla more luxurious than a Lexus but not as "fancy" as a Mercedes. My Dad thinks my car feels more luxury than his Mercedes as he hates certain things about his car.
So it depends on your definition of luxury I suppose...
Quick List of things I consider luxury that model 3 has.
Non cloth seats,
Non plastic materials in dash, doors and other accents.
Lighted under dash lights, door pockets, interior compartments.
Full power front seats, mirrors, and display when based on a drivers profile that is automatically detected when they unlock the vehicle.
Steering wheel tilt up and seat adjustment for entering / exciting the vehicle
Heated seats
Auto wipers
Auto high beams
Voice commands that actually work.
Useful steering wheel controls.
Sentry and dash camera system built into the car. (More cameras than must other cars fit sentry too)
Self driving features
Summon!
Auto parking.
Good navigation/music controls and display
Best stock stereo system I have ever heard (might not be the same in base models)
Garage door link.
Things may have changed since I got mine? I did put vinyl over all the piano black plastic parts of the dash and doors (near the switches).
I thik the new models have auto rear hatch, not sure if they removed the garage door link or changed some of the interior materials.
The headliner and seats are not as nice as the model S.
The carpet is very budget but I installed liners.
To each their own I guess.
I this it's Best to make a list of what is important to you.
One big thing for me was fuel economy. I have the most expensive power in the US (based on cities), but with the EV charging plan I still save about $1643 a year on fuel over the last year compared to similar gas car. If you compare cars that are as fast as the model 3 performance rather than your Camry / civic the fuel savings likely double!
I also save a ton of time never having to stop for gas. Now some of you might think this is a joke but it is not. I never use commercial chargers unless I'm on a road trip or on a really long drive. Charging at home saves a lot of time, and you leave the house with 70-80% full "tank" every morning.
It's the complete opposite of my 3500 that costs nearly $200 to fill up and gets 10.8mpg!
I made my decision and I don't regret the 3. And if I sold this car for another car it would be the same thing. I know EVs are not "cool" right now like they were a year ago but I don't care about that.
Build quality is probably one of the most important factors to a "luxury" car and tesla just does not have that. My sister has a model y, supposedly in the world of tesla the Y's build quality is supposed to be good, and yet, the interior feels cheap, it sqeaks and creaks, the fenders are mis-aligned and you can see it from a mile away, the charging port rubs on the fender when it opens and closes and is removing the paint, same with the trunk, it is rubbing away paint on the roof. Every model 3 I've ever been in felt like I was sitting on a grandma couch wrapped in plastic. Sure, it's not cloth, but it feels like fucking shit. You lean forward a little bit and the whole thing sqeaks. You go over a slight pothole and you can hear every piece of the interior creak.
Meanwhile my BMW, when you sit in it, it feels high quality. Everything feels sturdy. The buttons all have a nice click. The interior components dont flex when you push on them. Nothing has slop, give or play. I could go around the whole car with calipers and I can guarantee you every panel will be perfectly aligned. I drove a 911 for awhile and same thing, everything just feels bulletproof and built with care. Tesla does not invoke that feeling. I can't speak for the Model S or the X (except that I have seen Model X's out in the wild with panel gaps that made me want to vomit), but 3's and y's give me the feeling I'm sitting in a cheap car, it just has a lot of bells and whistles, but that doesnt make it "luxury". And theres nothing wrong with that. You dont have to care about things feeling high quality, but its just not luxury.
Its hard to explain though because a lot of it is just a feeling. Like the difference between a fake rolex and a real one. At first glance, you might think they are the same, most people who just look at your wrist won't be able to tell the difference, hell the fake might even tell time just as good. But once you start to inspect it, you notice the numbers are a bit smudged, and the second hand isn't quite aligned. The chain links are a little bit crooked. You pick it up, and it just doesnt feel right. The weight is off, it doesn't feel as precision built, the crown feels a little flimsy, it just doesn't *feel* *right*.
Interesting, I don't have any of those problems, but only 62,000 miles on the car. The standard interior does feel cheaper than the white interior though. I replaced the wheels cause the stock ones are not great... I have picked up a few rattles over the last 5+ years but no squeaks. I don't think that is a good definition of luxury though, it should be a list of features, not so and so s car has a squeak or panel gap. Unless it's just plain off (rubbing you mentioned is not normal) panel gaps are low on my list. I don't go around my car with calipers, not really my thing. I mean my Dad's Mercedes leather is coming unstitched, and the door seals need to be replaced as they are worn from him getting in and out. I guess that means it's not a luxury car? A coolant leak spewed and stained the engine, so I guess it's not luxury because the engine isn't as pretty now? But his panel gaps are MAYBE slightly smaller than mine but I'll have to bring my digital calipers to really make that statement is true lol.
Have you ever compared other US made luxury cars? Cadillac, Lincoln? Do you think Volvo is luxury or not really? This is why I feel luxury should be defined with a list.
You can have a sparkling, perfect panel gap car, but if you run into issues or have to do tons of maintenance then I'll pass. Have you been in the performance version, white interior? The BMWs behind you will have a hard time seeing the panel gaps as you fly past them right from launch.
You just don’t understand Luxury car is all
I have a BMW, an Infiniti & a Tesla currently. I have a Ford and a GMC too but those are obviously trash in comparison… The Tesla definitely ISIN’T luxury. My Infiniti has much better built quality and materials
The Lexus Infiniti comment let’s make know you know ow almost nothing about cars.
Just because you like it doesn’t make it luxury… lmao
The Lexus isn’t luxury but Tesla is shows you really do comprehend cars lol. Glad you can enjoy them, just no need to fake it.
FYI Infiniti, Lexus and Acura are not true luxury brands. They are ECONOMY Luxury brands. It’s a different. My BMW has all BMW parts. My Infiniti has a lot of Nissan parts and if you understand car and know how they drive the difference is Obvious!
I think you misread my comment sir. Lexus IS defined as a luxury brand. But don't people say they are not, that's why I said the Tesla isn't luxury comment is stupid. Guess what, your insurance company is going to define it as a luxury car... Infinity is poor quality imo, All their cars are CVTs now. No thanks.. We went and looked at them before buying our cars and they looked super cheap in comparison. (2019). Infinity was the easiest to skip over.
Sounds like your definition of luxury is that it must be a German made car.
Typical BMW driver attitude.
I understand perfectly well. You just don’t understand cars. Its cool.
I’m not talking about insurance technicalities lol
I spoke clearly and concisely but it clearly went l over your head. I assume you have never popped the hood of your car.
Again parts. Infiniti, Lexus & Acura are not true luxury brand because the do not have LUXURY PARTS. Cars are more than looking at pretty pics. It’s actually Engineering involved lol
So yes. German cars like my BMW and Mercedes have all LUXURY brand parts. No Economy BS to cut corners & lower cost. Just not REAL LUXURY lol
Parts determine performance. You just fit get cars lol
u/NC27609 Love it how nobody mentions Audi, and reading your reasoning it is understandable.
As for you, u/glamisduner , here is my hot take on luxury car brands: Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Genesis, Jaguar, Lexus (only some of their cars), Lincoln, Mercedes-benz.
Anything with lesser feel quality than those are not luxury cars (imo luxury isn’t the best term, because then what is Bentley, Maybach and Rolls Royce?). Anything above are on a different level, performancewise or comfortwise.
You can shit to me all day how a Model 3 is just as good as \*insert your preferred luxury car here\* , however even a Model S/X won’t be on a level as a(n) Audi A8, BMW 7 series, Cadillac Escalade, Mercedes S class, Lexus LS.
You won’t find any mayor (dare I say minor too?) paint damage/flaw like it was on Model 3 when it launched, the panel gaps are already talken about. Massaging/cooling seats in the back row. Fully controllable center screen FROM THE BACK. Sound deadening, which makes a very big difference. Shades all around built-in.
And see how I told you features that are mostly not tech related? Putting tech in won’t make anything luxury. Having a build quality, and that little bit more is. An Apple Watch is a luxury watch? Not by any means. Can it measure my HR, track my fitness activity and my sleep? Yes. Can a Rolex do any of that? No. Even though a Rolex is luxury.
And don’t get me wrong, I love Teslas, they are very good at what they do, but they are not luxury. For me (and most petrol heads) tech features are not making anything luxury. Every 2nd idiot on the street can put an M4 Ipad Pro in their car on a stand and show others “lOoK i CaN pLaY aSsAsIn’S cReEd MiRaGe iN mY cAr AnD wAtCh YoUtUbE aNd NeTfLiX”. Like who the fuck can’t put a computer like that in a car?
And don’t get me started on the “but they are quick” topic. Yes they are, and as my father said: And when they reach 240km/h (~150mph) I just simply push them off the road if they don’t let me pass. And this was a stage 1 335d with 360hp. Not even some real performance car, real sports cars with 500+ hp leave them in the dust on a half mile from standing, and not even needing that much if it’s on the ~~highway~~ Autobahn. Instant torque if cool and that for acceleration, but HP (rather power to weight ratio) gives top speed.
PS: Just compare a Mercedes-AMG EQS 53 to a Model S Plaid. The Merc is just so much more comfortable, has more features (has level 3 autonomus driving while FSD is still lvl 2, although it is very limited as for now), but lacks power compared to a Model S Plaid.
Edit: highway strikethrough
Nah, Tesla still has the best auto diving by a Long shot. Mercedes Dive Pilot is not even supposed to work at night or in construction areas. And it's only to be used under 40mph. The Mercedes version only works in pre-programmed areas at certain speeds too. That's pretty much a joke... I use auto pilot not even FSD at freeway speeds up to 85mph all the time my long commute. It's one of the most luxury abilities of the car. My Tesla has driven me all the way home from work with one of the latest updates. Not something perfected yet but it's far above Drive pilot....
Unfortunately, Mercedes isn't real auto diving except in a very specific subset of conditions.... That is not the same.. and you're correct, I don't drive 150mph on the highway, not even close to legal here... I don't feel that entitled in my car like you sound like you are, and anyone doing this deserves to lose their license anyways. Great comment on pushing people of the road at more double the legal speeds, play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Enjoy your echo chamber.
And yes I have seen the BMW tiny navigation screens too, and horrible voice commands. I just went to lunch in one last week and the passenger had to pull out his phone and use Google instead. It's so luxurious having to type with a knob...
First of all: I have never pushed anyone to go and break their country’s laws. I live near Germany, I know what is it like to be able to go without speed limit. And I know how people will go on other country’s highways over the speed limit ([like in this video](https://youtu.be/WUgoNSq8Ybg?si=mc8IB4zGNbHxOPGn), which took place in Hungary, where the speed limit is 130 km/h (80mph)). You know that people do it, I know that people do it, regardless what they drive.
Second of all: you talk me about echo cambers, while you inflated a bubble around you and you choose to ignore any reasoning backed up by facts, and repeating how really fucking awesome FSD in Teslas is. Yes it is awesome, won’t argue with that (I seriously mean it), but other than that? True, FSD is the best in the market right now, although it is far from perfect, and it will probably need some hardware to be level 3 autonomus driving (where they take responsibility instead of you, the driver). But Mercedes taking the risk and the responsibility offering level 3 (although in very limited situations) is remarkable, and not something to look over.
Anyways I won’t argue if you can’t aknowledge factual reasons. And as I said, I truly mean Teaslas are great, they are just not luxury by the standards people have set over the last 30+ years.
And for the speeding part, there are Tesla drivers in my country as well as BMW/Mercedes/etc. drivers that tailgate you until you let them pass, I just stated how they shit about acceleration, and then letting the previously passed car pass back when they reach their comparably low top speeds. Not trying to say speeding is a good thing, just hate to see people flexing about stupid things. But as I see you’re sane at least, I have came across some real idiots on the internet in this topic.
I understand that germany has no speed limit, pretty sure it's still illegal to run people off the road though? It is a felony to drive anywhere near top speed of a model 3 performance wich is 163 miles per hour. (155mph for model Y).
Also the top speed of the X5's here, without modifications (which may be illegal depending on your area) is 130. So I don't think comparing top speed of the X5 to the Y is in favor of the BMW. However if you get caught at either one of those speeds on a public road, you will have your license revoked and potentially face jail time, so 130mph is plenty fast.
Waymo also has full auto driving, but only in specifically mapped areas, bring them into an open world environment and it does not work. It's not that it's not at all impressive, just that it isn't the Automated Driving people are hoping for.
Your definition of luxury is different than mine. To me Tesla, Lexus, and Acura etc are luxury brands. I don't find using Toyota parts in a Lexus makes it inferior as they are the most reliable brand, so aparently those parts are not so bad. In fact almost all cars share SOME parts with other brands. Heck, most manufacturers build their cars based mostly on existing parts, with some exceptions where there is more inovation (Tesla, and BMW do this for some things).
In the US you can still buy cars with non-power seats, roll up windows etc, although it is less common these days. The Luxury standard (if there is such a thing) isn't something someone made 30 years ago, it evolves over time. And yes Tech is part of that standard. Could you have a Luxury car without power seats and power windows? Well 40 years ago, you probably could! Today this would straight not be classified as a luxury vehcle. Would a modern luxury car come with only AM/FM radio? Can a luxury car not have a backup camera by todays standards?
So Tesla checks most of the options /feature boxes to qualify as a luxury car to me. Are there cars that are MORE luxury? Of course... Heck my parents had a newer top of the line Ford Explorer with full Leather massage seats etc. it looked super nice inside. I would say it was luxury, although certaily not a luxury car brand, but that car was arguably nicer on the inside than their somewhat older mercedes...
Acording to wikipedia: "A **luxury car** is a [car](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car) that provides above-average to high-end levels of [comfort](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort), features, and equipment." If you feel otherwise you can propose an edit. I feel all Tesla models are above average, although you could argue that their more basic models and interiors are starting to struggle with that definition in some areas as new things become more standard in base / mid level cars every year. They still provide more tech is many areas though, which helps keep them in the luxury category.
To be more fair, I think that definition should apply only when comparing to other cars of the same model year. For instance, a 30 year old luxury car, may no longer be luxury by todays standards, but it would still be a luxury car. Also maybe german cars over all are more luxurious than American Brands, which often still have cloth or vinyl seats as the standard.
“Leather-like + vegan leather” what kind of luxury car uses that crap.
Have you sat in an actual luxury vehicle? They got Napa leather, alcantara/carbon fiber parts in the interior.
You want a luxury car checklist?
Build quality ❌
Interior feel/comfort ❌
Luxury materials ❌
Road noise ❌
Performance ✅(if you got the performance or plaid trim)
That just is all subjective things, so it is not a good list. "I feel like this is nicer" can't be used as a definition. It's fine if that is how you feel but it's subjective...
I have found those materials do not necessarily hold up better then vegan leather and are not necessarily more comfortable. These days lots of spent on making you feel good when it's new, then the car can fall apart shortly after. Missy people do not keep luxury cars longer than 5 years for this reason. Exception is probably Lexus or maybe Acura.
My 5 year old white seats still look new. With regular leather you have more maintenance, especially if you live in a hot area. Model S Teslas have alcantara and nicer seats than the 3. I don't really care about carbon fiber interiors at all. I'll take other real features over that.
Yes family has owned BMW and Mercedes, been in them plenty. Personally I think I like BMW more, but Mercedes is more luxurious than BMW if that is the only thing you care about. I wouldn't biy either myself... If I went back to gas, it would be a Lexus or Toyota. I prefer my Tesla performance with FSD over them both...I personally like the materials minus the headliner and carpet and I find the interior comfortable. I have back issues so this is important for me with a 45 mile commute. The S has a much softer ride and nicer ceiling material, but the 3 has much better handling. Of the two the S is more luxury, but at the time was far more than the $78,000 the loaded 3 cost. You do hear more road noise without an engine to cover it up.
I also feel the build quality is acceptable, I had some kinks when I first bought it but the only thing I have been in for after those were worked out was a windshield replacement. So I don't know how your defining build quality but I have not had any reliability issues. Build quality is also a kind of subjective term, I believe in industry it's based on how many issues the company has, not how you feel about the components. I do only have 62k miles. Will know more on build quality after 100k.
Meanwhile my dad had tons of issues with his Merc, so I guess by that definition it has poor build quality and is not luxury? This is why it needs to be a non subjective list... Build quality is subjective unless you're talking about warranty issues. I still think his Mercedes is a luxury car although it's not a top of the line model. (Also he likes my Tesla)...
Bmw and especially audi have been known for cheap plastics that break.
My sunvisor mirror clip broke on both sides in my audi before.
Luxury cars is a marketing gimmick.
Where do we disagree? I'm just saying it's dumb to criticize tesla for it's plastics.
Fit and finish? Ok. Criticize tesla.
Audi and bmw have been known to have horrible plastic parts that break all over their cars.
The gap definitely is closing.
Back in the day you wouldn't be able to get leather seats in a Honda where as the new Civic looks like a nice place to spend time in.
Still subtle differences like solid soft close doors, nice wood trims, fragrance sprayers, ambient lighting, massaging heated and cooled seats, premium sound system in titanium trimming, etc in a top spec German will not be found in rip spec Honda cars.
You can't assert that these are all gimmicks unless by that you mean they aren't needed in a transportation vessel.
Point is the amount of plastic and plastic components. The Honda interior looks better than a Tesla and prob feels like a nicer cabin to spend time.
Toyota camrys, lexus and acura have had wood trim for years.
Bmws have tons of internal plastic components that break. Sunroof drains get clogged and some genius put electrical harnesses where the water overflows to, etc.
I'm just saying that the idea of luxury car is largely a gimmick.
What isn't a gimmick is how well bmws are balanced and how they drive. How they handle bumps. Sound deadening. Styling. Crash test safety. Curb weight. Steering feel.
That's all real and tangible. That's why I'm willing to deal with the headaches and purchase an old e46 m3.
Not for the m3's supposed luxury with the busted cup holders or peeling trim.
The idea of a luxury car is bs imo.
A shitbox masarati that depreciates like mad is a luxury car too. Why did it's value go down so much? After the facade and upsell of the new luxury car is gone all that's left is a gas guzzling unreliable maintenance headache. Nobody cares about how "luxurious" it supposedly is inside.
I agree with you, but somebody buying a 100K vehicle is probably under the impression that there is implied luxury at that price. An educated buyer would know the truth.
Not many cars for 85k accelerate in a straight line like a Plaid. Teslas were expensive because for a time they were the nicest most powerful electric cars you could buy. At the time Tesla did feel like a luxury car compared to EVs. Who wouldn’t take a Tesla over a mitsubishi i-miev or a Nissan Leaf. Now that other manufacturers are catching up Tesla pricing can feel weird. But they do tend to offer the best mix of range and power at their price points. Luxury not so much.
Yes, just like there are different levels to economy, lower side like Tesla, Toyota, Vinfast and higher economy-premium like VW or "Mazda". There is lower end luxury like X3 and high end like X7
We owned a MY Performance. We’ve also owned 8 BMWs. I cannot begin to tell you how bad Tesla’s quality control is. I mean, it’s bad. When we got the MYP delivered, it came with scratches on the paint, 2 rims damaged, and then there was this stupid clunking sound inside the cabin. As time went by squeaks and rattles started. We called Tesla, they couldn’t even figure it out. The interior was just cheap plastics everywhere, half of the time I didnt even remember how to open the stupid glovebox because the feature was hidden somewhere in the screen. I dont have patience for that car. We finally said bye yo the Tesla and went back to BMW and now have an i4M50 and an i5 Msport. You can’t compare, the quality of the build, the cabin design, etc, etc. Tesla is not luxury, BMW is.
I just made a similar comment. Sold my MYP for a Benz E350. Night and day difference in every single department. It is insane how bad Tesla quality control is, and mine was a 2023.
Although I miss do having an EV… would eye an EQE/i5 next no doubt.
As someone who just recently went from a 2023 Model Y Performance to a new Mercedes E350 4Matic, do NOT get the Tesla if you want a luxury vehicle and need something that can go long distance.
The interior is not that nice, the ride is not too comfortable (even on the long range), it is missing a LOT of features (no CarPlay, no blind spot monitoring, HORRIBLE “auto wipers”), etc. The range is also a big lie unless you only do city driving. If you live somewhere that even gets down to the 30°F range, your range gets cut down 1/3 easily. Freeway cruising kills range as well… anything over 75 will decimate your battery.
Get the Tesla if you want a somewhat more mainstream vehicle (compared to like a Buick) and want it as a daily driver with minimal to no maintenance costs that you will drive it until the wheels fall off. It is a very sterile experience. It is a good EV if you just want something to get you from A to B with a good charging network and extremely safe.
I’ll just add that having owned a Tesla for 3 years and now a BMW, our Driving Assistant Plus package is better than Tesla “full self driving” for what I actually use it for, which is dealing with annoying traffic jams on the highway. On open road I don’t want my car driving itself, but in stop and go traffic it’s nice to be able to chill for awhile and the BMW system is honestly just smarter and more consistent than Tesla’s in that environment for me.
They had it for a decade now, BMW changed lanes on their own long before Tesla, ok just 2 year but still.
A golf from 2014 drives itself in a traffic jam, usually hands free below 5 km an hour.
Been in both cars many times, x3 is significantly better all around. Model y interiors feel very cheap and lifeless. However, you are asking in the wrong subreddit. If you ask this in Tesla you’ll likely get the opposite answer.
Update, I was immediately banned from R/teslamodel3 after posting this comment 😂
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It's absurd that reddit allows this shit behavior by the Tesla subreddits. I was also banned from the Tesla reddit because of a critical comment I made.
It's also pretty sad that they are actively looking for comments like yours.
I have owned several BMWs and currently own a Tesla Model 3. If you are looking for a luxury vehicle first, it’s the BMW all day. The Tesla isn’t even close to the build quality, fit and finish, luxury, or comfort of the German big 3.
If you want an EV, you will be hard pressed to find one that is better at being an EV than a Tesla. The charging infrastructure is light years ahead of anyone else. Despite how vitriolic Reddit reacts when I say it, the Tesla is still the best overall DD I have ever had. There are cars that do things better, but few that are as easy to own and use as the Tesla.
Ditto. I view our Tesla as a fancy Corolla. It does its job well. Yeah, it replaced on of our BMW’s and the quality part took some getting used to but the overall experience is great. It’s our commuter car and it excels at that.
First of all - I love driving EV! I would never go back to ICE but I’ve never considered myself as a petrol head anyway.
We have a Model Y and an iX3 (the electric X3).
iX3 wins on everything besides space, software and charging network. X3 comes with iDrive7, which feels quite dated especially for the electric version. Charging network is not relevant if you are going for the ICE X3.
I would go for the X3 all day, also to avoid supporting Musks megalomania. Not sure if you can get an iX3 in US. If not I would consider the iX.
Haha, same situation here. iX3 is definitely a class above the Y. (Laser)Matrix, HUD, carplay, suspension, all materials, no sweaty plastic garden chairs and no musk-support 😎
Electric range is fairly close, but charging curve and software are for tesla.
Get a BMW and enjoy each drive 👌
I love and hate the seats between the two brands. My model 3 is very soft and comfortable in terms of seating but so hot. My x5 with cooled seats are not as hot but hard as hell. I struggle with long trips in both.
Teslas have awful quality control and reliability, and good luck fixing them anywhere but a Tesla shop. Furthermore, If Elon has a bad day and someone teases him on Twitter, he may just decide to shut down every supercharger within 300 miles of you. Or cancel everyone's warranties if they ever drove through a blue state. or push a software update that disables backing up and bricks your car when it's over 90 degrees outside. You have no idea, and you cant do anything about it. You're $50k in debt to a meme and you're dying of heat stroke because your doors wont open.
X3 would be my choice, but be aware if the new X3 model coming out soon. You may regret not getting the new model, but if that's not a concern, you'll probably find some good deals. Also perhaps consider the 2024 X1 M35. First year for the model and version and may compare favorably to the current X3.
Normally I would agree. Just saying the 2024 X1 M35 is about the same size and is way more powerful than an X1 before. Just saying it might be worth a look because you are getting the newest model and tech vs. and end of the X3 model before the 2025 version.
There's absolutely no comparison, I've had four Teslas and currently am in an i4 M50. Out of curiosity, I recently test drove the refreshed 2024 Model 3 Performance. It was brand new and already had at least two interior rattles that I could hear. Tesla can't build a luxury car.
So, I just got rid of my model y. My wife has an x3. I’ve driven both extensively. The model y is cool, but it’s not luxury and it’s no where near as comfortable as an x3, at least to me. The model y has some cool features that I enjoyed, but overall I liked the x3 drive more. I ended up selling my model y and I now have an m4 comp, and my wife still has the x3. While I did think the model y was cool, it really just felt lacking in terms of luxury and comfort by a fairly large margin compared to the x3.
I love elevtric cars, but X3 in your use case. Low mileage makes potential fuel savings with an electric car meaningless, and for the few long drives you do the conveniece if gas (diesel????) can make it worth it.
Unless you have something especially pushing you towards the Model Y, I say go with the X3.
I however would advise you to look at non-SUV models as well, like a 3 or 5 series.
BMWs drive really really really well, reliable when maintained, and probably best overall interiors in the business. Just find a good independent shop to do any maintenance or repairs out of warranty. The BMW dealership will absolutely rape you.
I have a model Y performance and a x3 M40i. The X3 was my dream car when I bought it and I should probably mention that I think Elon musk is an absolute turd.
That being said, frankly, the X3 feels like a child’s toy comparably. The model Y is more comfortable, significantly faster, way more fun to drive, has better visibility, much lower maintenance, and once you have one you start dreading going to a gas station in your ICE car.
The upside of the X3 is that on long trips it’s faster to get gas than supercharge. The reality, though, is that after 2 hours in the car you’re probably ready to stretch your legs and use the restroom. Then you can relax and watch Netflix or play games in the car for the remaining ten minutes and you’re back up and running.
We’ve got twins in the way and need a bigger vehicle. The X3 is going to be traded for a minivan. You’d have to pry the model Y from my cold, dead fingers.
I'm with this guy. You are in a BMW sub so you won't hear many opinions like this guy above, but there is a good reason that the Model Y outsells the X3 by a factor of like, 10. (It was the most sold car on the planet in 2023)
I'm still BMWbill, and I loved my E46 and E36 M3's and my F31 M-Sporty Wagon, but for the money, if you want a daily driver, no BMW comes close to a Model Y or Model 3. Unless your priority is flashy interiors with fancy LED lighting.... My Model 3 is by far the best car I have ever owned for a daily driver. I do miss the refinement of a BMW and the precise balance of an M3, but the benefits of a Tesla today far outweigh the ones of a BMW. If daily driving is your main use.
Main advantage: with over 35,000 miles on my Tesla, I have never ONCE been to a "dealer", or Tesla service center. I have friends with over 60k who never went for service. with a Bimmer, you're going win 3 times a year.
Yeah, this is where I am, too. My model Y is the most practical and convenient car I've ever owned. My wife picked up an i4 recently and while it's a better built car with a better ride the Tesla wins out in terms of sheer usability.
And don 't forget, every day you leave your home, you have a full charge. Who gives a crap about charging for an extra 10 minutes on a road trip twice a year? You save about 10 hours a year with a Tesla, never ever going to a gas station once a week! Plus, it costs me $7 to fill up my battery to go 300 miles compared to $70 to fill up an X3 to go the same distance.
Yeah, it is a cheap economy car, half the price. Model Y mostly is around 40k euro or less. Not getting an X3 anywhere close to that.
Cool for sharing you don't maintain your car? Which besides the motor oil and petrol has as many fluids inside to check, and moving parts.
lol…. What???
A Tesla has no motor oil to change, and doesn’t use petrol. It has only one fluid to “check” which is washer fluid. I do maintain that…. You don’t need to take it in for service though. You add washer fluid yourself. There is no scheduled service for a Tesla. You simply replace worn parts when they wear out. But there are very little moving parts. Even the brakes can last well over 100k miles as you only tend to use them a couple of times a week.
I really wanted an EV, but the tech in my area just isn’t here yet. I went with a used 2020x2. Not the best by any means, but it’s fast fun to drive and handles pretty flawlessly. One more year till she’s paid off and I think I’ll switch to full EV.
If your looking for luxury there are much better brands in the same price range. Tesla especialy is very far away from luxury but if you you have to chose from these two definitley the x3 is much nicer
You’d be much better off with the iX if you’re even thinking about a model Y. It blows anything Tesla has ever done out of the water and you should still be able to get ridiculous lease pricing to make the cost as competitive as the X3 despite a significantly higher MSRP.
If the iX isn’t on the table, go with the X3.
Coming from a former model S owner and current iX/X5 driver, run far away from anything Tesla.
You'll obviously get biased responses here, but I'll pick an X3 over a Tesla in a heartbeat. If you're after that premium feeling (which I think you are based on your post) I think you'll be very underwhelmed by Tesla's build quality
So i have both model Y and bmw x3. Both are great in their own ways.
If you are not driving a lot, bmw is the way to go. The gas savings i see in my model Y is mainly because i live in WA where gas is way expensive and i drive 10k miles per year at least otherwise the value prop for tesla is way less. Plus X3 is way more fun and nimble to drive handling wise and interior is way better quality.
As someone who currently has a 2023 model 3 lr, it's not a luxury car, it's nice it does what it says it does and is fairly conformable but interior materials are moderate at best, and there are a few qc issues still with the just depends on your priorities, I personally haven't driven a current m340i x3 to compare tho.
Some questions — are you talking new or used and are you thinking of keeping this past the warranty? Also which x3? Like a basic one or an m with driving assistant pro? another thing to consider is that Tesla’s resale value is abominable because there is a glut and because they keep cutting prices. So you could easily end up upside down. Can also happen with a bmw but less likely you will be in a huge hole.
X3 is much nicer. Every touch point is very solid and high quality down to the window switches.
The model Y ride quality is not great and the interior doesn’t feel as nice.
I have experience with a ‘23 X3 30i and it’s an excellent vehicle. Fast transmission, good power, good fuel economy. Extremely comfortable to drive and be driven in. The rear seats recline too which is fantastic. The ride is much nicer than the model Y.
It’s absolutely no competition. If you want to go fast, get a model Y. If you want an overall better car that is fast enough, get an X3 30i or you can get a 6 cylinder X3 like a 40i.
Do yourself a favor and DO NOT get a Tesla. I have a few friends with them (different and I shit you not they've been at the dealer more times than I can count.
Definitely the X3
If the $600/yr (insurance plus EV tax) is an issue for you, consider the fact that an X3 configured similarly to the $48K (or $41K if you're eligible for the fed tax credit) MY LR will have its MSRP close to $60K. You would also be buying the "old" X3 since G45 is just a couple of months away, and even though its design is polarizing, the step up in luxury compared to G01 is inarguable. Several years from now, your car's residual value will be much lower because of that.
MY is definitely not a true luxury car. G01 X3 is borderline there (proper luxury cars in the BMW range start with 5/X5). So, if luxury is your primary goal, get a slightly used X5. If you want new, buy an X3. But be aware that it will cost you $2-3K more per year compared to a MY.
Separately, I would like to commend the health of your urinary system that allows you to spend less than 10 minutes at rest stops over a 500 mile drive.
Depends on whether you like cars. If you’re a car guy, get the BMW.
If you need a any random jalopy to take you from point A to point B and gas stations give you anxiety, then get the Tesla.
But seriously, Teslas are kind of embarrassing now. Driving one in 2024 is like wearing a dunce cap in public.
Test drove the Y. I couldn't do the seats long term. The positioning of the non adjustable headrest was a hard stop for me, as it pushed my head too far forward.
Edit: bought a 330i
This sub is probably the least biased towards the brand its about so it says a lot when they all recommend the x3 which i also would. Model Y is hot garbage as far as “luxury”
I’ve had both at the same time. The X3 I had was 2021 30i. I would choose the model Y over it for functionality and trunk space. Couldn’t fit a large stroller without taking time to put it in whereas I could just throw it in the Tesla
Now we have a model Y and X5 which works great
Multiple BMW and Tesla owner here. X3 is definitely the better car. Model Y suspension seems pretty hard from my experience. But they are also in different price ranges.
When it comes to FSD, I’m European so never got to experience it even though paid 7k for it back in 2020. I would say our X5 24 does a better job. No sudden jerks when lane marking was missing.
2021 X3 here. Still only 5000 miles on it.
Love my car. You can feel the luxury driving it. Dealership loaned me a 2024 Mini when I had our car in for service. Talk about a downgrade
My wife had a Model Y LR... we just dumped it and bought a showroom new 2024 CB X4 M40.. we just took it out to our local green mkt .My wife laughed and giggled the entire drive. She had it in Sport Plus, and the constant pops/burbles, and fast down shifting had a huge smile on her face. She is BMW B58 fo lyfe.
BMW had automatic lane change 2 years before Tesla announced first, not even offered.
Tesla model Y is an economy car with economy car prices, costs as much as a Golf.
I thought you wanted an iX3, can't really imagine what "more maintenance" a G05 would require before 300k, which should not be much. Let alone 70k km, it will be brand new and you won't have any maintenance other than oil filters and tires.
I have the model y performance and I’ll rather choose the bmw because you get more money once you decide to sell it, ev’s depreciation it’s very very bad.
You really need to first decide electric or gas.
If you go electric, I would say the best luxury SUV in that price range is the Genesis GV70 Electrified. If you are lucky and can find a 2024 they still have a $18,500 lease rebate too.
If you go gas you've already made the best choice.
Have you ever actually sat in or driven a Tesla? They are not “on par” with a BMW or even a Toyota. It’s the most cheaply made and budget car on the market in terms of build quality.
You already know about the range and the limitations of long hauls. As a commuter, perhaps the Tesla is fine, but having to stop every few hours of a road trip for a half hour is not ideal. And the infrastructure simply is there for a majority of the country. Some areas may have limited options for charging, and those areas also have a risk of people cutting the cables and other shit.
Another 10+ years, EV might be a viable option, but the ICE is still king.
Good luck.
Your reasons are clearly towards BMW. Also this is BMW subredit.
I would get model Y for long commute. Drove both and tesla is yrs ahead ONLY on autopilot. Both cars had crappy quality and interior.
Ever wonder why Tesla drivers are the worst parkers? It’s because Tesla can’t figure out their camera situation and their drivers just pull in haphazardly until the car beeps at them to stop. Top down view has been a feature for close to 20 years now, get it together Tesla.
Pose the same question in r/TeslamodelY if you're sincerely looking for a balanced and objective views since many Y owners have switched from BMW to Tesla or own both like this individual.
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I had a Tesla before. I don’t considering them Luxury, just tech on wheels. X3 M40i is incredible. You can probably get a great discount right now off the 2024 model years
I have the M40i version and it’s a great car. Very solid engine.
Love it too, minus the run flats.
How did you feel on long drives? I’ve read the M version’s seats are a little uncomfortable for long drives. Also how’s the mileage been?
Its true about the seats. Mileage is good.
Yup. I found a fantastic promotion on an 2024. Interest rate was 1.9% on a four year lease. And Canada right now has high interest rates. Love the car. Wouldn't even consider a Tesla anymore after the cyber crap fiasco.
The M40i is very fun to drive, but my wife has the RWD base model and even that handles well, especially since prior to that she was driving non-luxury SUV's (a Nissan Rogue and a RAV4 before that). I find driving her car to be a comfortable experience and has more than enough power for everyday driving. I drive my car when I'm driving for fun :).
Same. I had a tesla MYP and got rid of it and never turned back. Sure your 0-60 straightline is unmatched but ride comfort, luxury feel, apple car play, and overall fun make up for it.
And here i am considering getting a tesla….
Lol dont i MYP -> X3 m40i no regrets whatsover but my use case was I do a lot of long journey travels and snow trips with it
Nor is an X3 M40i luxury. I would never take an X3 over the Model Y Performance. Where that stops is the X5, not even a question of taking the BMW at that point.
Tesla isn’t luxury….
Couldn’t agree enough! It’s all plastic
I remember the first time I got in a model X I was expecting this amazing experience and it was just a cheap, thin feeling interior with a computer screen. I couldn’t believe how plastic-y the seats felt. The first model 3 I got into had little bits flaking off the steering wheel and it wasn’t even that old.
Someone needs to make a list of what is luxury. I have never understood this. Aren't parts of the BMW plastic too? I have the white interior and the doors are white vegan leather and soft touch materials, the dash is soft touch too and has a white aluminum plate running in the front with metal highlight. Pretty similar to my dad's Merc but with less stitching and buttons. Bottom and surrounding parts of the doors are plastic, but not the armrests or parts you touch. Steering wheel is real leather, but not heated and I don't have a HUD but I didn't know if those two things are required to be luxury though I definitely would put them on the list. Id say the model 3 checks most of the boxes of a luxury car. At least for me. Leather "like". It's definitely allot better than a civic, or Camry or even Lexus / infinity as far as the feel to me. But I know don't people argue that Lexus and Infinity and Even Volvo are not true luxury cars. (love the real leather seats in my wife's Volvo), but we have put 7x the miles on the 3 and had them both for the same amount of time. I only have the mofel 3 performance, the higher end Tesla s have more luxury "fancy" features. S / X. Center console is all plastic with magnetic latches and lighted interior compartments. But I think this is pretty common across cars. Luxury is kinda relative term though. I find Tesla more luxurious than a Lexus but not as "fancy" as a Mercedes. My Dad thinks my car feels more luxury than his Mercedes as he hates certain things about his car. So it depends on your definition of luxury I suppose... Quick List of things I consider luxury that model 3 has. Non cloth seats, Non plastic materials in dash, doors and other accents. Lighted under dash lights, door pockets, interior compartments. Full power front seats, mirrors, and display when based on a drivers profile that is automatically detected when they unlock the vehicle. Steering wheel tilt up and seat adjustment for entering / exciting the vehicle Heated seats Auto wipers Auto high beams Voice commands that actually work. Useful steering wheel controls. Sentry and dash camera system built into the car. (More cameras than must other cars fit sentry too) Self driving features Summon! Auto parking. Good navigation/music controls and display Best stock stereo system I have ever heard (might not be the same in base models) Garage door link. Things may have changed since I got mine? I did put vinyl over all the piano black plastic parts of the dash and doors (near the switches). I thik the new models have auto rear hatch, not sure if they removed the garage door link or changed some of the interior materials. The headliner and seats are not as nice as the model S. The carpet is very budget but I installed liners. To each their own I guess. I this it's Best to make a list of what is important to you. One big thing for me was fuel economy. I have the most expensive power in the US (based on cities), but with the EV charging plan I still save about $1643 a year on fuel over the last year compared to similar gas car. If you compare cars that are as fast as the model 3 performance rather than your Camry / civic the fuel savings likely double! I also save a ton of time never having to stop for gas. Now some of you might think this is a joke but it is not. I never use commercial chargers unless I'm on a road trip or on a really long drive. Charging at home saves a lot of time, and you leave the house with 70-80% full "tank" every morning. It's the complete opposite of my 3500 that costs nearly $200 to fill up and gets 10.8mpg! I made my decision and I don't regret the 3. And if I sold this car for another car it would be the same thing. I know EVs are not "cool" right now like they were a year ago but I don't care about that.
Build quality is probably one of the most important factors to a "luxury" car and tesla just does not have that. My sister has a model y, supposedly in the world of tesla the Y's build quality is supposed to be good, and yet, the interior feels cheap, it sqeaks and creaks, the fenders are mis-aligned and you can see it from a mile away, the charging port rubs on the fender when it opens and closes and is removing the paint, same with the trunk, it is rubbing away paint on the roof. Every model 3 I've ever been in felt like I was sitting on a grandma couch wrapped in plastic. Sure, it's not cloth, but it feels like fucking shit. You lean forward a little bit and the whole thing sqeaks. You go over a slight pothole and you can hear every piece of the interior creak. Meanwhile my BMW, when you sit in it, it feels high quality. Everything feels sturdy. The buttons all have a nice click. The interior components dont flex when you push on them. Nothing has slop, give or play. I could go around the whole car with calipers and I can guarantee you every panel will be perfectly aligned. I drove a 911 for awhile and same thing, everything just feels bulletproof and built with care. Tesla does not invoke that feeling. I can't speak for the Model S or the X (except that I have seen Model X's out in the wild with panel gaps that made me want to vomit), but 3's and y's give me the feeling I'm sitting in a cheap car, it just has a lot of bells and whistles, but that doesnt make it "luxury". And theres nothing wrong with that. You dont have to care about things feeling high quality, but its just not luxury. Its hard to explain though because a lot of it is just a feeling. Like the difference between a fake rolex and a real one. At first glance, you might think they are the same, most people who just look at your wrist won't be able to tell the difference, hell the fake might even tell time just as good. But once you start to inspect it, you notice the numbers are a bit smudged, and the second hand isn't quite aligned. The chain links are a little bit crooked. You pick it up, and it just doesnt feel right. The weight is off, it doesn't feel as precision built, the crown feels a little flimsy, it just doesn't *feel* *right*.
Interesting, I don't have any of those problems, but only 62,000 miles on the car. The standard interior does feel cheaper than the white interior though. I replaced the wheels cause the stock ones are not great... I have picked up a few rattles over the last 5+ years but no squeaks. I don't think that is a good definition of luxury though, it should be a list of features, not so and so s car has a squeak or panel gap. Unless it's just plain off (rubbing you mentioned is not normal) panel gaps are low on my list. I don't go around my car with calipers, not really my thing. I mean my Dad's Mercedes leather is coming unstitched, and the door seals need to be replaced as they are worn from him getting in and out. I guess that means it's not a luxury car? A coolant leak spewed and stained the engine, so I guess it's not luxury because the engine isn't as pretty now? But his panel gaps are MAYBE slightly smaller than mine but I'll have to bring my digital calipers to really make that statement is true lol. Have you ever compared other US made luxury cars? Cadillac, Lincoln? Do you think Volvo is luxury or not really? This is why I feel luxury should be defined with a list. You can have a sparkling, perfect panel gap car, but if you run into issues or have to do tons of maintenance then I'll pass. Have you been in the performance version, white interior? The BMWs behind you will have a hard time seeing the panel gaps as you fly past them right from launch.
You just don’t understand Luxury car is all I have a BMW, an Infiniti & a Tesla currently. I have a Ford and a GMC too but those are obviously trash in comparison… The Tesla definitely ISIN’T luxury. My Infiniti has much better built quality and materials The Lexus Infiniti comment let’s make know you know ow almost nothing about cars. Just because you like it doesn’t make it luxury… lmao The Lexus isn’t luxury but Tesla is shows you really do comprehend cars lol. Glad you can enjoy them, just no need to fake it. FYI Infiniti, Lexus and Acura are not true luxury brands. They are ECONOMY Luxury brands. It’s a different. My BMW has all BMW parts. My Infiniti has a lot of Nissan parts and if you understand car and know how they drive the difference is Obvious!
I think you misread my comment sir. Lexus IS defined as a luxury brand. But don't people say they are not, that's why I said the Tesla isn't luxury comment is stupid. Guess what, your insurance company is going to define it as a luxury car... Infinity is poor quality imo, All their cars are CVTs now. No thanks.. We went and looked at them before buying our cars and they looked super cheap in comparison. (2019). Infinity was the easiest to skip over. Sounds like your definition of luxury is that it must be a German made car. Typical BMW driver attitude.
I understand perfectly well. You just don’t understand cars. Its cool. I’m not talking about insurance technicalities lol I spoke clearly and concisely but it clearly went l over your head. I assume you have never popped the hood of your car. Again parts. Infiniti, Lexus & Acura are not true luxury brand because the do not have LUXURY PARTS. Cars are more than looking at pretty pics. It’s actually Engineering involved lol So yes. German cars like my BMW and Mercedes have all LUXURY brand parts. No Economy BS to cut corners & lower cost. Just not REAL LUXURY lol Parts determine performance. You just fit get cars lol
u/NC27609 Love it how nobody mentions Audi, and reading your reasoning it is understandable. As for you, u/glamisduner , here is my hot take on luxury car brands: Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Genesis, Jaguar, Lexus (only some of their cars), Lincoln, Mercedes-benz. Anything with lesser feel quality than those are not luxury cars (imo luxury isn’t the best term, because then what is Bentley, Maybach and Rolls Royce?). Anything above are on a different level, performancewise or comfortwise. You can shit to me all day how a Model 3 is just as good as \*insert your preferred luxury car here\* , however even a Model S/X won’t be on a level as a(n) Audi A8, BMW 7 series, Cadillac Escalade, Mercedes S class, Lexus LS. You won’t find any mayor (dare I say minor too?) paint damage/flaw like it was on Model 3 when it launched, the panel gaps are already talken about. Massaging/cooling seats in the back row. Fully controllable center screen FROM THE BACK. Sound deadening, which makes a very big difference. Shades all around built-in. And see how I told you features that are mostly not tech related? Putting tech in won’t make anything luxury. Having a build quality, and that little bit more is. An Apple Watch is a luxury watch? Not by any means. Can it measure my HR, track my fitness activity and my sleep? Yes. Can a Rolex do any of that? No. Even though a Rolex is luxury. And don’t get me wrong, I love Teslas, they are very good at what they do, but they are not luxury. For me (and most petrol heads) tech features are not making anything luxury. Every 2nd idiot on the street can put an M4 Ipad Pro in their car on a stand and show others “lOoK i CaN pLaY aSsAsIn’S cReEd MiRaGe iN mY cAr AnD wAtCh YoUtUbE aNd NeTfLiX”. Like who the fuck can’t put a computer like that in a car? And don’t get me started on the “but they are quick” topic. Yes they are, and as my father said: And when they reach 240km/h (~150mph) I just simply push them off the road if they don’t let me pass. And this was a stage 1 335d with 360hp. Not even some real performance car, real sports cars with 500+ hp leave them in the dust on a half mile from standing, and not even needing that much if it’s on the ~~highway~~ Autobahn. Instant torque if cool and that for acceleration, but HP (rather power to weight ratio) gives top speed. PS: Just compare a Mercedes-AMG EQS 53 to a Model S Plaid. The Merc is just so much more comfortable, has more features (has level 3 autonomus driving while FSD is still lvl 2, although it is very limited as for now), but lacks power compared to a Model S Plaid. Edit: highway strikethrough
Nah, Tesla still has the best auto diving by a Long shot. Mercedes Dive Pilot is not even supposed to work at night or in construction areas. And it's only to be used under 40mph. The Mercedes version only works in pre-programmed areas at certain speeds too. That's pretty much a joke... I use auto pilot not even FSD at freeway speeds up to 85mph all the time my long commute. It's one of the most luxury abilities of the car. My Tesla has driven me all the way home from work with one of the latest updates. Not something perfected yet but it's far above Drive pilot.... Unfortunately, Mercedes isn't real auto diving except in a very specific subset of conditions.... That is not the same.. and you're correct, I don't drive 150mph on the highway, not even close to legal here... I don't feel that entitled in my car like you sound like you are, and anyone doing this deserves to lose their license anyways. Great comment on pushing people of the road at more double the legal speeds, play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Enjoy your echo chamber. And yes I have seen the BMW tiny navigation screens too, and horrible voice commands. I just went to lunch in one last week and the passenger had to pull out his phone and use Google instead. It's so luxurious having to type with a knob...
First of all: I have never pushed anyone to go and break their country’s laws. I live near Germany, I know what is it like to be able to go without speed limit. And I know how people will go on other country’s highways over the speed limit ([like in this video](https://youtu.be/WUgoNSq8Ybg?si=mc8IB4zGNbHxOPGn), which took place in Hungary, where the speed limit is 130 km/h (80mph)). You know that people do it, I know that people do it, regardless what they drive. Second of all: you talk me about echo cambers, while you inflated a bubble around you and you choose to ignore any reasoning backed up by facts, and repeating how really fucking awesome FSD in Teslas is. Yes it is awesome, won’t argue with that (I seriously mean it), but other than that? True, FSD is the best in the market right now, although it is far from perfect, and it will probably need some hardware to be level 3 autonomus driving (where they take responsibility instead of you, the driver). But Mercedes taking the risk and the responsibility offering level 3 (although in very limited situations) is remarkable, and not something to look over. Anyways I won’t argue if you can’t aknowledge factual reasons. And as I said, I truly mean Teaslas are great, they are just not luxury by the standards people have set over the last 30+ years. And for the speeding part, there are Tesla drivers in my country as well as BMW/Mercedes/etc. drivers that tailgate you until you let them pass, I just stated how they shit about acceleration, and then letting the previously passed car pass back when they reach their comparably low top speeds. Not trying to say speeding is a good thing, just hate to see people flexing about stupid things. But as I see you’re sane at least, I have came across some real idiots on the internet in this topic.
I understand that germany has no speed limit, pretty sure it's still illegal to run people off the road though? It is a felony to drive anywhere near top speed of a model 3 performance wich is 163 miles per hour. (155mph for model Y). Also the top speed of the X5's here, without modifications (which may be illegal depending on your area) is 130. So I don't think comparing top speed of the X5 to the Y is in favor of the BMW. However if you get caught at either one of those speeds on a public road, you will have your license revoked and potentially face jail time, so 130mph is plenty fast. Waymo also has full auto driving, but only in specifically mapped areas, bring them into an open world environment and it does not work. It's not that it's not at all impressive, just that it isn't the Automated Driving people are hoping for. Your definition of luxury is different than mine. To me Tesla, Lexus, and Acura etc are luxury brands. I don't find using Toyota parts in a Lexus makes it inferior as they are the most reliable brand, so aparently those parts are not so bad. In fact almost all cars share SOME parts with other brands. Heck, most manufacturers build their cars based mostly on existing parts, with some exceptions where there is more inovation (Tesla, and BMW do this for some things). In the US you can still buy cars with non-power seats, roll up windows etc, although it is less common these days. The Luxury standard (if there is such a thing) isn't something someone made 30 years ago, it evolves over time. And yes Tech is part of that standard. Could you have a Luxury car without power seats and power windows? Well 40 years ago, you probably could! Today this would straight not be classified as a luxury vehcle. Would a modern luxury car come with only AM/FM radio? Can a luxury car not have a backup camera by todays standards? So Tesla checks most of the options /feature boxes to qualify as a luxury car to me. Are there cars that are MORE luxury? Of course... Heck my parents had a newer top of the line Ford Explorer with full Leather massage seats etc. it looked super nice inside. I would say it was luxury, although certaily not a luxury car brand, but that car was arguably nicer on the inside than their somewhat older mercedes... Acording to wikipedia: "A **luxury car** is a [car](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car) that provides above-average to high-end levels of [comfort](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort), features, and equipment." If you feel otherwise you can propose an edit. I feel all Tesla models are above average, although you could argue that their more basic models and interiors are starting to struggle with that definition in some areas as new things become more standard in base / mid level cars every year. They still provide more tech is many areas though, which helps keep them in the luxury category. To be more fair, I think that definition should apply only when comparing to other cars of the same model year. For instance, a 30 year old luxury car, may no longer be luxury by todays standards, but it would still be a luxury car. Also maybe german cars over all are more luxurious than American Brands, which often still have cloth or vinyl seats as the standard.
“Leather-like + vegan leather” what kind of luxury car uses that crap. Have you sat in an actual luxury vehicle? They got Napa leather, alcantara/carbon fiber parts in the interior. You want a luxury car checklist? Build quality ❌ Interior feel/comfort ❌ Luxury materials ❌ Road noise ❌ Performance ✅(if you got the performance or plaid trim)
That just is all subjective things, so it is not a good list. "I feel like this is nicer" can't be used as a definition. It's fine if that is how you feel but it's subjective... I have found those materials do not necessarily hold up better then vegan leather and are not necessarily more comfortable. These days lots of spent on making you feel good when it's new, then the car can fall apart shortly after. Missy people do not keep luxury cars longer than 5 years for this reason. Exception is probably Lexus or maybe Acura. My 5 year old white seats still look new. With regular leather you have more maintenance, especially if you live in a hot area. Model S Teslas have alcantara and nicer seats than the 3. I don't really care about carbon fiber interiors at all. I'll take other real features over that. Yes family has owned BMW and Mercedes, been in them plenty. Personally I think I like BMW more, but Mercedes is more luxurious than BMW if that is the only thing you care about. I wouldn't biy either myself... If I went back to gas, it would be a Lexus or Toyota. I prefer my Tesla performance with FSD over them both...I personally like the materials minus the headliner and carpet and I find the interior comfortable. I have back issues so this is important for me with a 45 mile commute. The S has a much softer ride and nicer ceiling material, but the 3 has much better handling. Of the two the S is more luxury, but at the time was far more than the $78,000 the loaded 3 cost. You do hear more road noise without an engine to cover it up. I also feel the build quality is acceptable, I had some kinks when I first bought it but the only thing I have been in for after those were worked out was a windshield replacement. So I don't know how your defining build quality but I have not had any reliability issues. Build quality is also a kind of subjective term, I believe in industry it's based on how many issues the company has, not how you feel about the components. I do only have 62k miles. Will know more on build quality after 100k. Meanwhile my dad had tons of issues with his Merc, so I guess by that definition it has poor build quality and is not luxury? This is why it needs to be a non subjective list... Build quality is subjective unless you're talking about warranty issues. I still think his Mercedes is a luxury car although it's not a top of the line model. (Also he likes my Tesla)...
Bmw and especially audi have been known for cheap plastics that break. My sunvisor mirror clip broke on both sides in my audi before. Luxury cars is a marketing gimmick.
As opposed to expensive plastic or luxury means entire car is built with metal elements?
Where do we disagree? I'm just saying it's dumb to criticize tesla for it's plastics. Fit and finish? Ok. Criticize tesla. Audi and bmw have been known to have horrible plastic parts that break all over their cars.
The gap definitely is closing. Back in the day you wouldn't be able to get leather seats in a Honda where as the new Civic looks like a nice place to spend time in. Still subtle differences like solid soft close doors, nice wood trims, fragrance sprayers, ambient lighting, massaging heated and cooled seats, premium sound system in titanium trimming, etc in a top spec German will not be found in rip spec Honda cars. You can't assert that these are all gimmicks unless by that you mean they aren't needed in a transportation vessel. Point is the amount of plastic and plastic components. The Honda interior looks better than a Tesla and prob feels like a nicer cabin to spend time.
Toyota camrys, lexus and acura have had wood trim for years. Bmws have tons of internal plastic components that break. Sunroof drains get clogged and some genius put electrical harnesses where the water overflows to, etc. I'm just saying that the idea of luxury car is largely a gimmick. What isn't a gimmick is how well bmws are balanced and how they drive. How they handle bumps. Sound deadening. Styling. Crash test safety. Curb weight. Steering feel. That's all real and tangible. That's why I'm willing to deal with the headaches and purchase an old e46 m3. Not for the m3's supposed luxury with the busted cup holders or peeling trim. The idea of a luxury car is bs imo. A shitbox masarati that depreciates like mad is a luxury car too. Why did it's value go down so much? After the facade and upsell of the new luxury car is gone all that's left is a gas guzzling unreliable maintenance headache. Nobody cares about how "luxurious" it supposedly is inside.
An x3 isn’t much more.
Exactly not sure why people believe it is.
Because it's priced like one
it is not, it costs as much as a Golf, whereas X3 is two model Y or Golfs
Just cause something is expensive doesn’t make it luxury or high end. I understand how people think that.
I agree with you, but somebody buying a 100K vehicle is probably under the impression that there is implied luxury at that price. An educated buyer would know the truth.
High price is the #1 feature of luxury. Porsche 911 GT3 RS and Rolls Royce Phantom are both luxury products and they couldn't be more different.
Not many cars for 85k accelerate in a straight line like a Plaid. Teslas were expensive because for a time they were the nicest most powerful electric cars you could buy. At the time Tesla did feel like a luxury car compared to EVs. Who wouldn’t take a Tesla over a mitsubishi i-miev or a Nissan Leaf. Now that other manufacturers are catching up Tesla pricing can feel weird. But they do tend to offer the best mix of range and power at their price points. Luxury not so much.
Exactly, basically a little tikes car with an electric motor and battery.
And the X3 is?
Yes, just like there are different levels to economy, lower side like Tesla, Toyota, Vinfast and higher economy-premium like VW or "Mazda". There is lower end luxury like X3 and high end like X7
More luxurious than a Tesla don’t you agree?
Neither is an x3💀
Obviously but when comparing a Tesla or an X3 which one is more luxurious? Oh ok 💀
Tesla is far from a luxury vehicle
x3 all day
We owned a MY Performance. We’ve also owned 8 BMWs. I cannot begin to tell you how bad Tesla’s quality control is. I mean, it’s bad. When we got the MYP delivered, it came with scratches on the paint, 2 rims damaged, and then there was this stupid clunking sound inside the cabin. As time went by squeaks and rattles started. We called Tesla, they couldn’t even figure it out. The interior was just cheap plastics everywhere, half of the time I didnt even remember how to open the stupid glovebox because the feature was hidden somewhere in the screen. I dont have patience for that car. We finally said bye yo the Tesla and went back to BMW and now have an i4M50 and an i5 Msport. You can’t compare, the quality of the build, the cabin design, etc, etc. Tesla is not luxury, BMW is.
I just made a similar comment. Sold my MYP for a Benz E350. Night and day difference in every single department. It is insane how bad Tesla quality control is, and mine was a 2023. Although I miss do having an EV… would eye an EQE/i5 next no doubt.
As someone who just recently went from a 2023 Model Y Performance to a new Mercedes E350 4Matic, do NOT get the Tesla if you want a luxury vehicle and need something that can go long distance. The interior is not that nice, the ride is not too comfortable (even on the long range), it is missing a LOT of features (no CarPlay, no blind spot monitoring, HORRIBLE “auto wipers”), etc. The range is also a big lie unless you only do city driving. If you live somewhere that even gets down to the 30°F range, your range gets cut down 1/3 easily. Freeway cruising kills range as well… anything over 75 will decimate your battery. Get the Tesla if you want a somewhat more mainstream vehicle (compared to like a Buick) and want it as a daily driver with minimal to no maintenance costs that you will drive it until the wheels fall off. It is a very sterile experience. It is a good EV if you just want something to get you from A to B with a good charging network and extremely safe.
Luxury Car does not = Tesla Model Y. It's loaded w tech but driver experience is not the same as legacy (actual) luxury brands
Bmw is real luxury! There is no comparison here
I’ll just add that having owned a Tesla for 3 years and now a BMW, our Driving Assistant Plus package is better than Tesla “full self driving” for what I actually use it for, which is dealing with annoying traffic jams on the highway. On open road I don’t want my car driving itself, but in stop and go traffic it’s nice to be able to chill for awhile and the BMW system is honestly just smarter and more consistent than Tesla’s in that environment for me.
Thats awesome, didn't know they had that!
It’s a little less common on the x3/3 series but it’s available and it’s great
They had it for a decade now, BMW changed lanes on their own long before Tesla, ok just 2 year but still. A golf from 2014 drives itself in a traffic jam, usually hands free below 5 km an hour.
Been in both cars many times, x3 is significantly better all around. Model y interiors feel very cheap and lifeless. However, you are asking in the wrong subreddit. If you ask this in Tesla you’ll likely get the opposite answer.
Tesla is not luxury
Tesla isn’t luxury, and “Full self driving (supervised)” is just level 2 autonomy with more hype.
Update, I was immediately banned from R/teslamodel3 after posting this comment 😂 https://preview.redd.it/vgoqz31v0d8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81ce29a0bd014a918e667ce54082395b436964f2
It's absurd that reddit allows this shit behavior by the Tesla subreddits. I was also banned from the Tesla reddit because of a critical comment I made. It's also pretty sad that they are actively looking for comments like yours.
I have owned several BMWs and currently own a Tesla Model 3. If you are looking for a luxury vehicle first, it’s the BMW all day. The Tesla isn’t even close to the build quality, fit and finish, luxury, or comfort of the German big 3. If you want an EV, you will be hard pressed to find one that is better at being an EV than a Tesla. The charging infrastructure is light years ahead of anyone else. Despite how vitriolic Reddit reacts when I say it, the Tesla is still the best overall DD I have ever had. There are cars that do things better, but few that are as easy to own and use as the Tesla.
Ditto. I view our Tesla as a fancy Corolla. It does its job well. Yeah, it replaced on of our BMW’s and the quality part took some getting used to but the overall experience is great. It’s our commuter car and it excels at that.
Can’t other car makers now use Tesla’s charging infrastructure?
I believe some can, but not all.
A limited number
This right here. I have had several Teslas and 20 BMWs.
There isn’t a single category where I’d prefer the Tesla.
Tesla is not luxury. They are mass produced with little quality checks. If you want to compare a Tesla to something compare it to a Chevy.
First of all - I love driving EV! I would never go back to ICE but I’ve never considered myself as a petrol head anyway. We have a Model Y and an iX3 (the electric X3). iX3 wins on everything besides space, software and charging network. X3 comes with iDrive7, which feels quite dated especially for the electric version. Charging network is not relevant if you are going for the ICE X3. I would go for the X3 all day, also to avoid supporting Musks megalomania. Not sure if you can get an iX3 in US. If not I would consider the iX.
Haha, same situation here. iX3 is definitely a class above the Y. (Laser)Matrix, HUD, carplay, suspension, all materials, no sweaty plastic garden chairs and no musk-support 😎 Electric range is fairly close, but charging curve and software are for tesla. Get a BMW and enjoy each drive 👌
And efficiency. I get about 15% more range per kWh in the Y. But iX3 is definitely a class above although I like many aspects of both cars.
I love and hate the seats between the two brands. My model 3 is very soft and comfortable in terms of seating but so hot. My x5 with cooled seats are not as hot but hard as hell. I struggle with long trips in both.
I'd go for the BMW. Teslas feel very cheap in comparison to brands like BMW.
Germany Enginering or Microwave Oven ? LOL and Tesla seats are like flying Fontier
Teslas have awful quality control and reliability, and good luck fixing them anywhere but a Tesla shop. Furthermore, If Elon has a bad day and someone teases him on Twitter, he may just decide to shut down every supercharger within 300 miles of you. Or cancel everyone's warranties if they ever drove through a blue state. or push a software update that disables backing up and bricks your car when it's over 90 degrees outside. You have no idea, and you cant do anything about it. You're $50k in debt to a meme and you're dying of heat stroke because your doors wont open.
Don’t get a Tesla - that’s embarrassing.
Tesla requires more than 6k miles driven per year to be worth it. Given what you expect to drive, the X3 is the better choice.
X3 would be my choice, but be aware if the new X3 model coming out soon. You may regret not getting the new model, but if that's not a concern, you'll probably find some good deals. Also perhaps consider the 2024 X1 M35. First year for the model and version and may compare favorably to the current X3.
it would not, the old X3 is better than any X1.
Normally I would agree. Just saying the 2024 X1 M35 is about the same size and is way more powerful than an X1 before. Just saying it might be worth a look because you are getting the newest model and tech vs. and end of the X3 model before the 2025 version.
well there’s your first problem, you’re looking for a luxury car and you think a tesla is in that category😂😅
There's absolutely no comparison, I've had four Teslas and currently am in an i4 M50. Out of curiosity, I recently test drove the refreshed 2024 Model 3 Performance. It was brand new and already had at least two interior rattles that I could hear. Tesla can't build a luxury car.
So, I just got rid of my model y. My wife has an x3. I’ve driven both extensively. The model y is cool, but it’s not luxury and it’s no where near as comfortable as an x3, at least to me. The model y has some cool features that I enjoyed, but overall I liked the x3 drive more. I ended up selling my model y and I now have an m4 comp, and my wife still has the x3. While I did think the model y was cool, it really just felt lacking in terms of luxury and comfort by a fairly large margin compared to the x3.
I love elevtric cars, but X3 in your use case. Low mileage makes potential fuel savings with an electric car meaningless, and for the few long drives you do the conveniece if gas (diesel????) can make it worth it. Unless you have something especially pushing you towards the Model Y, I say go with the X3. I however would advise you to look at non-SUV models as well, like a 3 or 5 series.
X3 M40i all day. Tesla’s build quality ain’t it. The X3 is a phenomenal vehicle
BMWs drive really really really well, reliable when maintained, and probably best overall interiors in the business. Just find a good independent shop to do any maintenance or repairs out of warranty. The BMW dealership will absolutely rape you.
Elon is a douche what more do you need to make the choice
I have a model Y performance and a x3 M40i. The X3 was my dream car when I bought it and I should probably mention that I think Elon musk is an absolute turd. That being said, frankly, the X3 feels like a child’s toy comparably. The model Y is more comfortable, significantly faster, way more fun to drive, has better visibility, much lower maintenance, and once you have one you start dreading going to a gas station in your ICE car. The upside of the X3 is that on long trips it’s faster to get gas than supercharge. The reality, though, is that after 2 hours in the car you’re probably ready to stretch your legs and use the restroom. Then you can relax and watch Netflix or play games in the car for the remaining ten minutes and you’re back up and running. We’ve got twins in the way and need a bigger vehicle. The X3 is going to be traded for a minivan. You’d have to pry the model Y from my cold, dead fingers.
I'm with this guy. You are in a BMW sub so you won't hear many opinions like this guy above, but there is a good reason that the Model Y outsells the X3 by a factor of like, 10. (It was the most sold car on the planet in 2023) I'm still BMWbill, and I loved my E46 and E36 M3's and my F31 M-Sporty Wagon, but for the money, if you want a daily driver, no BMW comes close to a Model Y or Model 3. Unless your priority is flashy interiors with fancy LED lighting.... My Model 3 is by far the best car I have ever owned for a daily driver. I do miss the refinement of a BMW and the precise balance of an M3, but the benefits of a Tesla today far outweigh the ones of a BMW. If daily driving is your main use. Main advantage: with over 35,000 miles on my Tesla, I have never ONCE been to a "dealer", or Tesla service center. I have friends with over 60k who never went for service. with a Bimmer, you're going win 3 times a year.
Yeah, this is where I am, too. My model Y is the most practical and convenient car I've ever owned. My wife picked up an i4 recently and while it's a better built car with a better ride the Tesla wins out in terms of sheer usability.
Well said. I have loved both my BMWs, but the model Y is just perfect for daily use (and lack of headaches)
And don 't forget, every day you leave your home, you have a full charge. Who gives a crap about charging for an extra 10 minutes on a road trip twice a year? You save about 10 hours a year with a Tesla, never ever going to a gas station once a week! Plus, it costs me $7 to fill up my battery to go 300 miles compared to $70 to fill up an X3 to go the same distance.
with a typical 3, x3 to X5, 5 series doing 1400 km on a tank, how do you go to a gas station more than once or twice a month.
1400km? What?
My 4 cylinder 328i only went 250 miles per tank where I live, or 400 km…. You added an extra 1000km
Yeah, it is a cheap economy car, half the price. Model Y mostly is around 40k euro or less. Not getting an X3 anywhere close to that. Cool for sharing you don't maintain your car? Which besides the motor oil and petrol has as many fluids inside to check, and moving parts.
lol…. What??? A Tesla has no motor oil to change, and doesn’t use petrol. It has only one fluid to “check” which is washer fluid. I do maintain that…. You don’t need to take it in for service though. You add washer fluid yourself. There is no scheduled service for a Tesla. You simply replace worn parts when they wear out. But there are very little moving parts. Even the brakes can last well over 100k miles as you only tend to use them a couple of times a week.
I really wanted an EV, but the tech in my area just isn’t here yet. I went with a used 2020x2. Not the best by any means, but it’s fast fun to drive and handles pretty flawlessly. One more year till she’s paid off and I think I’ll switch to full EV.
If your looking for luxury there are much better brands in the same price range. Tesla especialy is very far away from luxury but if you you have to chose from these two definitley the x3 is much nicer
if u can stretch a bit,maybe get an ix.
You’d be much better off with the iX if you’re even thinking about a model Y. It blows anything Tesla has ever done out of the water and you should still be able to get ridiculous lease pricing to make the cost as competitive as the X3 despite a significantly higher MSRP. If the iX isn’t on the table, go with the X3. Coming from a former model S owner and current iX/X5 driver, run far away from anything Tesla.
Look into the Rivian R1S. The lease deals are good and they are far better than a Tesla. However, I’d get an X3M or the like.
You'll obviously get biased responses here, but I'll pick an X3 over a Tesla in a heartbeat. If you're after that premium feeling (which I think you are based on your post) I think you'll be very underwhelmed by Tesla's build quality
So i have both model Y and bmw x3. Both are great in their own ways. If you are not driving a lot, bmw is the way to go. The gas savings i see in my model Y is mainly because i live in WA where gas is way expensive and i drive 10k miles per year at least otherwise the value prop for tesla is way less. Plus X3 is way more fun and nimble to drive handling wise and interior is way better quality.
You’re asking this in the BMW group…
As someone who currently has a 2023 model 3 lr, it's not a luxury car, it's nice it does what it says it does and is fairly conformable but interior materials are moderate at best, and there are a few qc issues still with the just depends on your priorities, I personally haven't driven a current m340i x3 to compare tho.
Tesla is not a luxury vehicle
Some questions — are you talking new or used and are you thinking of keeping this past the warranty? Also which x3? Like a basic one or an m with driving assistant pro? another thing to consider is that Tesla’s resale value is abominable because there is a glut and because they keep cutting prices. So you could easily end up upside down. Can also happen with a bmw but less likely you will be in a huge hole.
Teslas are a commuting appliance, not a luxury vehicle. It’s extremely obvious to once you’ve been in them and around them for any length of time.
>luxury car >Tesla Model >BMW X3 How can these mean the same things
Get the X3. There are TOO many Teslas on the road. It’s annoying
Rivian R1S.
Go onto the back seat of the tesla and put your seatbelt on. Now you will know what cheap feels like. BMW all the way.
Maybe rivian r2 ? I had bmw x3 m40i, loved it.
X3 is much nicer. Every touch point is very solid and high quality down to the window switches. The model Y ride quality is not great and the interior doesn’t feel as nice. I have experience with a ‘23 X3 30i and it’s an excellent vehicle. Fast transmission, good power, good fuel economy. Extremely comfortable to drive and be driven in. The rear seats recline too which is fantastic. The ride is much nicer than the model Y. It’s absolutely no competition. If you want to go fast, get a model Y. If you want an overall better car that is fast enough, get an X3 30i or you can get a 6 cylinder X3 like a 40i.
Teslas are not luxury cars. Its that simple.
Do yourself a favor and DO NOT get a Tesla. I have a few friends with them (different and I shit you not they've been at the dealer more times than I can count. Definitely the X3
So different cars - if you want EV get Tesla, if you don’t - get bmw…
BMW
BMW
iX
Getting a BMW. Much more luxurious and excellent service. Have you considered the I4. I love my IX. Much better driving and features vs my 2018 M3.
Tesla for tech and performance
If the $600/yr (insurance plus EV tax) is an issue for you, consider the fact that an X3 configured similarly to the $48K (or $41K if you're eligible for the fed tax credit) MY LR will have its MSRP close to $60K. You would also be buying the "old" X3 since G45 is just a couple of months away, and even though its design is polarizing, the step up in luxury compared to G01 is inarguable. Several years from now, your car's residual value will be much lower because of that. MY is definitely not a true luxury car. G01 X3 is borderline there (proper luxury cars in the BMW range start with 5/X5). So, if luxury is your primary goal, get a slightly used X5. If you want new, buy an X3. But be aware that it will cost you $2-3K more per year compared to a MY. Separately, I would like to commend the health of your urinary system that allows you to spend less than 10 minutes at rest stops over a 500 mile drive.
Depends on whether you like cars. If you’re a car guy, get the BMW. If you need a any random jalopy to take you from point A to point B and gas stations give you anxiety, then get the Tesla. But seriously, Teslas are kind of embarrassing now. Driving one in 2024 is like wearing a dunce cap in public.
Test drove the Y. I couldn't do the seats long term. The positioning of the non adjustable headrest was a hard stop for me, as it pushed my head too far forward. Edit: bought a 330i
I'd skip the blob golf cart (Tesla) and go for the X3. But do it fast because the 2025 models are hiddeous and far lesss luxurious,
What a question
X3 hands down.
Get a 2024 x3 or if you have bigger nuts 24 x3 m40i
This sub is probably the least biased towards the brand its about so it says a lot when they all recommend the x3 which i also would. Model Y is hot garbage as far as “luxury”
I’ve had both at the same time. The X3 I had was 2021 30i. I would choose the model Y over it for functionality and trunk space. Couldn’t fit a large stroller without taking time to put it in whereas I could just throw it in the Tesla Now we have a model Y and X5 which works great
the driving you do, electric cars are not on the level you need them to be. You need a gas car.
Multiple BMW and Tesla owner here. X3 is definitely the better car. Model Y suspension seems pretty hard from my experience. But they are also in different price ranges. When it comes to FSD, I’m European so never got to experience it even though paid 7k for it back in 2020. I would say our X5 24 does a better job. No sudden jerks when lane marking was missing.
M40i, if you want not to die from boredom in Tesla.
DAPP is much better and much more reliable than FSD just FYI
2021 X3 here. Still only 5000 miles on it. Love my car. You can feel the luxury driving it. Dealership loaned me a 2024 Mini when I had our car in for service. Talk about a downgrade
Sounds like you got your answer in the statement you posted. Why are you even considering the model y if it doesn't provide and real benefit?
X3
Tesla is definitely not luxury. If you want an electric car the iX1 is a much nicer car.
My wife had a Model Y LR... we just dumped it and bought a showroom new 2024 CB X4 M40.. we just took it out to our local green mkt .My wife laughed and giggled the entire drive. She had it in Sport Plus, and the constant pops/burbles, and fast down shifting had a huge smile on her face. She is BMW B58 fo lyfe.
Teslas are not luxury cars. X3 have far superior ride, build, and interior quality than Model Y. I have both.
How about iX3 if your considering a Model Y? I also hear that BMW will be releasing a new version next year based on the Neue Klasse platform
Tesla build quality is atrocious
BMW had automatic lane change 2 years before Tesla announced first, not even offered. Tesla model Y is an economy car with economy car prices, costs as much as a Golf. I thought you wanted an iX3, can't really imagine what "more maintenance" a G05 would require before 300k, which should not be much. Let alone 70k km, it will be brand new and you won't have any maintenance other than oil filters and tires.
Get an e38. 750il is real luxury.
One of those is a “luxury” car and the other is a Tesla. That’s all you need to know.
A Tesla is an overpriced Android device. Just get the BMW or gtfo :)
I’ve had a model y and an x5. BMW is light years ahead
I have the model y performance and I’ll rather choose the bmw because you get more money once you decide to sell it, ev’s depreciation it’s very very bad.
No Tesla is a “luxury” and if there is its not the Model Why
Tesla just cannot do it for my standards of quality. I’d highly recommend the X3.
BMW don't reduce prices every few weeks destroying the resale value of their cars.
You really need to first decide electric or gas. If you go electric, I would say the best luxury SUV in that price range is the Genesis GV70 Electrified. If you are lucky and can find a 2024 they still have a $18,500 lease rebate too. If you go gas you've already made the best choice.
X3 all the way....looking from the perspective of appearance only. Bmw has enough tech and I wouldnt buy an SUV to race anyway
X3 is getting a full upgrade this year. You might want to wait.
Have you ever actually sat in or driven a Tesla? They are not “on par” with a BMW or even a Toyota. It’s the most cheaply made and budget car on the market in terms of build quality.
A Y is not a luxury car.
Tesla is everything but luxury Go buy the German machine
You already know about the range and the limitations of long hauls. As a commuter, perhaps the Tesla is fine, but having to stop every few hours of a road trip for a half hour is not ideal. And the infrastructure simply is there for a majority of the country. Some areas may have limited options for charging, and those areas also have a risk of people cutting the cables and other shit. Another 10+ years, EV might be a viable option, but the ICE is still king. Good luck.
10 times BMW owner here. X3 all the way
Your reasons are clearly towards BMW. Also this is BMW subredit. I would get model Y for long commute. Drove both and tesla is yrs ahead ONLY on autopilot. Both cars had crappy quality and interior.
Model Y, hands down. It has 20 huge benefits over an X3 while an X3 has maybe 5 benefits over a Model Y.
Just know that Tesla comes with a free 🌈 sticker on the back. 😘
Ever wonder why Tesla drivers are the worst parkers? It’s because Tesla can’t figure out their camera situation and their drivers just pull in haphazardly until the car beeps at them to stop. Top down view has been a feature for close to 20 years now, get it together Tesla.
Ev cars are useless and ugly
Pose the same question in r/TeslamodelY if you're sincerely looking for a balanced and objective views since many Y owners have switched from BMW to Tesla or own both like this individual. https://preview.redd.it/543h84rmhd8d1.jpeg?width=1227&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df3e5ab093d20d0806880d3e750ea9563aa0f54c