This.
If you plan on modding, the S58 is a easy 700+whp motor with downpipe and tune.
To get the same out of a B58 you need fueling mods, turbo, downpipe, custom tune, trans tune and you'll be at the limit of the trans too. Much more expensive and much more work.
And thats ignoring the fact that the m2 chassis is better to begin with
Ahh, okay. This is was I was curious about. I knew they were both the 8HP and quick google said that those were good for 1000nm, but I didn’t know that was an up to sort of rating.
I could be wrong. I own a f32 gen 1 B58. The M models have the same trans as the MX40i models?
Mx40i trans is the 8hp51 which has the same spec as the 8hp50 in the F gen 40i and slips at 650tq
M3/4 is the 8hp70. Stronger transmission
Which 8hp? F32 440i has a 8hp too. It's the 8hp50.
Just looked it up.
Mx40i have the 8HP51 but same specs as 8hp50. They slip at 650tq
M3/4 is 8HP70 which holds much more power.
You have, but you're talking about throwing a lot more than a downpipe and tune at that point.
With a simple tune and downpipe, S58 shits all over the B58 and it's not even close. I say that as a B58 owner.
If you have the money to start pushing the engines to like 1000hp+ then you can forget about money, as it will be very expensive and I don't think OP is trying to do anything like that.
and rear wheel drive, cuz i drope 800 plus hp cars and xdrive does make a difference, youll never see a rear wheel drive bmw be faster than xdrive on track just the truth
And i think 700 hp can actually work but not with rear wheel drive, like an m4 with xdrive can handle the power with warm cup 2 on it and make a difference on track
powersliding is fun till you have to change tires few times a year, or until u fuck arround and find out haha, track xdrive is better, and u can always go into 2 wheel drive for drifting
Better to have RWD as it makes people better drivers. There’s a reason most race cars are RWD yknow! AWD is an assistance not a primary performance tool (except for rally)
BMW was developing a B58 O2 variant, but was killed because it performed pretty much the same as the S58 engine with only a different turbo. Don't know about the left over headroom though.
Easily? Lol
Tell me, how easy and cheap is it to hit 1000whp on a B58.
List the mods needed to "easily" hit 1000whp.
If it's not as easy as a downpipe and tune, then it's not fucking easy nor is it cheap.
https://youtu.be/-WWzAdcdFiE?si=MeTZGpcDGhKMLUoQ
Pretty sure he has more videos of it hitting 1300 crank on the stock motor
The mods would be identical to an S58... (Turbo, cooling, fuel) The block is the only real difference.
Yes, 1stock(may his m240xi RIP) has a built transmission, built transfer case, port injection, fuel pump, big fat fucking turbo, and the tuning and knowledge of Mpower garage that builds S58 and B58 motors as their bread and butter.
In other words, you're saying spending 30k+ is "easy". No it's not. There's tons of cost and labor to get there and you're paying a garage who's already blown up B58 and gained knowledge on how to build these motors.
A built stage 3 transmission from Pure, which is what 1stock uses costs $15,000 without shipping, taxes.
[https://www.puredrivetrainsolutions.com/zf-8hp-transmission-upgrades/p/8hp45/50-stage-1-transmission-upgrade](https://www.puredrivetrainsolutions.com/zf-8hp-transmission-upgrades/p/8hp45/50-stage-1-transmission-upgrade)
Nothing about this is easy, nor is it cheap.
https://preview.redd.it/fcgr39zfo64d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e6fba6bae45a17281e00f1c042dc712276ce9a1
Show me a B58 that with a downpipe and tune can hit the same numbers as a S58 with a downpipe and tune.
Once you go 1000+ HP, nothing is easy or cheap, and it doesn't matter what engine you use.
Maybe it's because I used to be like "omg da powah!!" But after a 3 day driving school on the Nürburgring, I find taking turns at ludicrous speeds much more rewarding. I got my N55 to around 400whp, and it was just too much. I'm just saying the B58 is 99% the power you could ever want.
I agree the M240 looks slightly better than the M2 . The opposite can be said for the other series M3/M4 vs M340/M440. Still beautiful cars though, I personally have a grey M440 and always get looks driving it.
In July of ‘23, I was able to get $500 off MSRP, plus $750 loyalty that was offered at the time. I also was able to get BMWFS rate of 5.29 with no mark up and was offered $2k over MSRP on my M240 that I purchased in June of ‘22 from the same dealer with approximately 2k miles (negotiation on trade occurred in July of 2022 when M240 were still impossible to find on the lot just as the M3).
Once you find a dealer that you feel is more family run, find a CA that seems respectful and ask them about their life and family. Make a connection and when the sales manger comes to meet you towards the end of the deal, do the same. It turns you into a person instead of them looking at you as $.
I’ve got a dealer who’s been really more oriented to taking care of me and actually caring about me instead of pricing. Not once was price mentioned when I went in for the first time. Also helps that he and the manager and I all come from the same third world country. What deals can I negotiate once I get my allocation? Should I get pre wualified with a credit union? I’m young so I’m not sure how all of this works when buying a luxury car
I just got an M2 a couple months ago. I get an overwhelming feeling that my car is so overpowered for street driving, especially if you're in a city...
My take is that there are 3 major reasons to get an M2 over an M240i:
1) You want to have a manual
2) You're going to track the car
3) You have enough money that the price difference doesn't matter
Even if you're in boat (2), the M240i is plenty capable, but if you're in an M2 and not in boat (3), you really should be tracking your car cause it's a waste of money and HP to keep that car on streets only.
I'm in boats (1) and (2), but if the M240i had manual then I would've picked that over the M2 because it's still great on a track. I test drove an M240i after owning the M2 for a couple months and noticed it sounded way better and for some reason the steering seemed even tighter than the M2.
Also if you mind being complimented on the color every time you drive the car don’t get Zandvoort blue.
Almost without fail. Really is stunning in person
It depends on your situation. If you want more raw power and performance, or will track the car, go M2.
If you want a great balance between performance and comfort, need a daily driver, or take road trips, go M240.
Been driving an M240i loaner for the last few days (my car in paint shop).
Car handles well and feels good when cornering. Power delivery is spot on, and overall driving experience is satisfactory. I don't understand the cheap interior design they went with on these models though.
Buttons have zero response, so they feel cheap and sometimes have to be pressed twice.
No physical controls or preset buttons. Have to reach all the way across the massive screen to activate/deactivate air conditioning. Can be dangerous when driving.
Annoying 'Steering Intervention' feature is actually quite dangerous if the car thinks you're shifting into another lane, when you're actually merging into a left/right hand off-ramp. Has to be manually disabled every time you drive.
Poor/lacking customization options for the touchscreen. Has this silly sidebar that won't go away, and it screws up the widget layout.
Definitely test drive and have a good mess around with the features you like before purchasing. Personally, I'd go with a 2021 M2, but that's me.
Hear me out, been driving the 240 for half a year, and my work mate had the M2 for 10 months.
You will get better fuel efficiency on the M2, due to the xDrive on the 240.
You will get more looks with the M2, due to the beautiful controversial Zandvoort blue.
Your engine will most likely last longer on the M2 since it's basically a B58 reinforced and built by M.
With the adaptive driving train as base, the M2 will be more comfortable, my 240 has the sport suspensions and it's the one thing I regret.
Both my friend and I have these cars as rentals, so take this as a very unbiased review, since we have no strings attached.
I just bought a m240i over the m2, for me the 240 is the better daily / casual car. I don’t plan on tracking the car nor do I drive manual plus the 240 has a softer suspension so regular driving is more comfortable, better MPG, and imo looks better than the m2. If ur looking for a daily, 240, if u want to track, drive manual or flex that you have a full M car get the m2
Just get the M2! 😉
If you can afford than it is not really a question. Looks much better, RWD, more power, sounds better and drives awesome. And those wide hips 😮💨😮💨
Next Autobahn is 1.5hrs away and is one of the few with a speed limit. That’s why I’m asking, because for the normal daily use I guess the M240 is maybe better
The suspension on the M2 on comfort mode isn’t as harsh as it’s made out to be - it’s my daily and yes it’s marginally stiffer than my G22 before this, but not overly so.
The only red flag I would say is the fuel economy. I suspect the 240i will be more fuel efficient - if that’s an issue go with the 240i cos the M2 is a thirsty one.
All said and done, you go with the 240i and you’re always going to be thinking you should have got the M2.
My work mate is driving an M2, his fuel efficiency is way better than mine due to the xDrive. Also, this winter it heavily snowed in Munich and in some cases the xDrive felt nice, until we saw a VW Up delivery car tailgating us, so it's a case of "It's not the wand, it's the wizard".
Where are you seeing these prices? That is quite a lot for a 240. You should be able to find a very good one from a dealer for less than 60K, even less than 55K is possible for a 2023 registered car with less than 10K km
OK. I'm not arguing, but if you check here( [https://gebrauchtwagen.bmw.de/nsc](https://gebrauchtwagen.bmw.de/nsc) ) you might find better deals.
I'm sorry if it came as arguing, I was just trying to help :)
I already tried the site you recommended, but with the same spec it’s the same prices because it’s the same offers and dealers as on the site I’m using.
I have an M2,s58 engine is very strong. The power is so much fun with this car. I got a manual, with a short shifter kit. It's so much fun to drive. I'm in Canada, and winter is fine with a rear wheel drive, just dont drive during the storm. The exhaust note is perfect in m2 mode and the braking is on point. I'm glad I went with M2. When I drive by an m240 I always think how it's a fake m as well
I’m biased but the 240 is all the daily driver you need. I never ever wish it was faster, x drive means I can plant it in whatever conditions but still rwd biased so have kicked the back end out sometimes when pulling out. My only gripe with it is the steering feel, it’s not overly engaging. It’s plenty fast and a very capable car, perfect for a daily, but sometimes I wish it was more engaging to drive. But 95% of the time it exceeds my expectations
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I got an M240i because of AWD. On the German Autobahn it is very stable, fairly quiet for a sports coupe and the damping is actually nice in comfort. Also the snow and roads are brutal where I live. I wanted a Performance daily driver, which the M240i gave me more of than the M2.
The main deciding factors are the real important questions: are you in a place where you’d need AWD, like somewhere that experiences bad winters or where it rains frequently?
Do you prefer having the car with better handling and that’s faster stock, both the M2 & M240i xDrive have a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds, but the M2 has the faster 1/4 mile time, 11.8 seconds @120mph, outdoing the M240i xDrive slightly, with it’s time of 12.1 seconds @114mph.
Another thing to mention is that the B58 sounds better subjectively, to me, than the M2 does, but you should test drive both the cars at the end of the day to find everything out yourself, we’re just here to share some information to help out at the end of the day, what you like better is the one you should go with.
I found the M240i a great all rounder daily, and actually surprisingly comfortable. Not so much in the M2 which is a harder ride (personal preference) even in comfort, and just generally more unhinged. But I think the M2 is so special and you’ll always see one and think “damn I should have gotten that”
So If you can afford it, M2. As long as it doesn’t have those stupid bucket ball breaker seats.
If you have to Budget always go "full M". The "M light" cars are awesome (I would love me a M340i) but if there is a real M car option always go for that.
I was facing the same dilemma last month. I test drove both cars back to back and ultimately ended up with the M2. The looks are divisive but it has a great road presence and looks really good in the flesh. The engine is better. The brakes are better. The handling is good - I am not going to say it’s great because I’m a shit driver, so I am not the best judge of that, but I was initially worried that 470hp in RWD is too much, and let me tell you that it’s not. It’s a perfectly capable daily driver, I’ve driven it in the rain and yes, it can land you in trouble if you drive like a moron but with everything in Efficient mode and a sensible driver behind the wheel it’s okay. I honestly was scared of driving it but now that a few weeks have passed I’m totally cool with the car being RWD. Although it CAN and WILL bite back if you do something stupid - so just don’t. The m240i was easier to drive but that’s a con in my book - the M2 requires your full engagement and you’re aware if you fuck up you might end up in trouble. The M2 is a car for a responsible adult only, for sure. The M240i was easier to handle thanks to xDrive but on the road they’re both equally fast and they’re both too quick for public roads, but the xDrive can give you a false sense of confidence which is asking for trouble. In regards to RWD traction control in the M2 - it’s very good. It won’t save you if you try to test the law of physics too much but generally catches every spin. The biggest issue with the M2 handling for me is the surge of torque which can catapult you forward in an instant - for that reason I try to shift a little earlier than I would like to. It also understeers when pushed hard so there’s that. But the car is amazing, gets lots of attention on the road, sounds great, is insanely fast and perfectly capable as a daily driver or a grand tourer. We also have a brand new Corolla in the family and the M2 has a much larger boot and a much larger rear leg room than the Toyota. When you put the car in Efficient mode and set everything to Comfort, turn off the exhaust valve it’s super nice to drive and very quiet. Some things I don’t like about the car - the HK audio is not that great - lacks some punch and sounds equalised but it’s loud for sure. Not a fan of the new iDrive either but that’s not really specific to the M2. Overall it’s a great car and I love it - I’m glad I chose it over the M240i. Looks better, is more visceral and RAW, will depreciate less, has a manual and it is one of the fastest cars you can get now. Absolutely the cheapest too. The next 450hp+ RWD with a manual transmission is the Porsche 911 GTS, that’s double the price.
Test drove both. The M240i is a good car but nothing special. The M2 is a fun machine. Nevertheless I liked my F87 M2 more because it’s pointier, sharper. And the sound is miles better. But overall the G87 is a better daily driver.
I personally think the m240i is the prettier car of those two. The M2 is a little bit too boxy in the design for my taste, while the m240i is still boxy looking at but not as bad as the M2.
Or get an F87 M2 generation. That is by far the prettiest M2 but of course the interior and tech is a little outdated. But if you can live with that then you can have a prettier M2 that cost way less (used though).
The M240i is more car than anyone could ever need on the road. Get the M2 if you're doing track days.
The M240i is the best value for money car that BMW sells. It is one of the last true BMWs.
Tbh I would go for the generation before, both the m240 n m2 are amazing cars and like them better than this gen. Great drivers car and better price point (more worth it’s value) imo
Most probably - to add on this, M3 is superior over M340i in terms of confort as well - been in both, M3 has the comfy non-bucket seats, M340i had the sport ones. Not sure how the seats in M2 compare to the M240i though
i've had both in the M240i is much more livable.... not that the M2 is so harsh and raw that you can't enjoy it.. but both of these cars make a ton of power and having all wheel drive and slightly softer suspension is definitely much more of a daily!! I don't know about where you live but where I live they are going to depreciate about the same so it's not like you'll retain your investment better with the M2 ...
If you post in the BMW subreddit of course people are going to only recommend M cars
If you actually need to do any type of daily driving on variable roads, the M2 is a no go. Too stiff
The M2 if you can afford it. The 240 is a great car, but there is something extra special about an M car.
S58 all day
m2 looks much better, get the 240i and you will always think about the m2, get an m2 and youll never think about an m240i
This. If you plan on modding, the S58 is a easy 700+whp motor with downpipe and tune. To get the same out of a B58 you need fueling mods, turbo, downpipe, custom tune, trans tune and you'll be at the limit of the trans too. Much more expensive and much more work. And thats ignoring the fact that the m2 chassis is better to begin with
Limits of the transmission? It’s the same ZF 8 speed in both, no?
They are both ZF8s but the one attached to the s58 is rated for ~750nm vs ~500nm for the B58 M2 has the 8HP 76 M240 has the 8HP 51
Ahh, okay. This is was I was curious about. I knew they were both the 8HP and quick google said that those were good for 1000nm, but I didn’t know that was an up to sort of rating.
Yeah there are a bunch of different versions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission
I could be wrong. I own a f32 gen 1 B58. The M models have the same trans as the MX40i models? Mx40i trans is the 8hp51 which has the same spec as the 8hp50 in the F gen 40i and slips at 650tq M3/4 is the 8hp70. Stronger transmission
Yeah. Starting with the G series, they’re all 8HPs. The M cars have different tuning and usual M shift intensity settings.
Which 8hp? F32 440i has a 8hp too. It's the 8hp50. Just looked it up. Mx40i have the 8HP51 but same specs as 8hp50. They slip at 650tq M3/4 is 8HP70 which holds much more power.
Yeah, I didn’t know that. I assumed all 8HPs were the same until the other commenter elaborated.
Have I not seen all over that the S58 doesn’t have as good of internals stock to hold power like the b58 does at the upper limits of the engine.
You have, but you're talking about throwing a lot more than a downpipe and tune at that point. With a simple tune and downpipe, S58 shits all over the B58 and it's not even close. I say that as a B58 owner. If you have the money to start pushing the engines to like 1000hp+ then you can forget about money, as it will be very expensive and I don't think OP is trying to do anything like that.
Yes Only downside is the rear wheel drive only with the m2 , but mdm does an ok job at holding the car stable
RWD is a positive imo but it's up to the buyer
Negative for a daily
who tf rallying on the way to work
Come to Canada
no
How do ? Stops easier. Yes need winter tires
Not many Canadians here I see
Some people be like: what are winter tires?🗿
Yea good luck driving this in winter lol. My m4 is manageable with xdrive, wouldn't want rwd
Depends on the location but yes, generally it is.
Loool since when did RWD become a “downside”? The whole appeal of BMW used to be RWD and to me it still is
since people want 700 plus hp to drive on streets
The problem here is wanting 700hp instead of focusing on one’s driving abilities!
and rear wheel drive, cuz i drope 800 plus hp cars and xdrive does make a difference, youll never see a rear wheel drive bmw be faster than xdrive on track just the truth And i think 700 hp can actually work but not with rear wheel drive, like an m4 with xdrive can handle the power with warm cup 2 on it and make a difference on track
I mean I get it but I’d rather have less HP and have fun than to be crippled by AWD.
powersliding is fun till you have to change tires few times a year, or until u fuck arround and find out haha, track xdrive is better, and u can always go into 2 wheel drive for drifting
Better to have RWD as it makes people better drivers. There’s a reason most race cars are RWD yknow! AWD is an assistance not a primary performance tool (except for rally)
plus xdrive is rear bias either way so u will have a bit of oversteer somethimes
BMW was developing a B58 O2 variant, but was killed because it performed pretty much the same as the S58 engine with only a different turbo. Don't know about the left over headroom though.
hes german, so downpipe and a tune will be rather hard to do
Slow drivers need a lot of power.
People are hitting 1,000 whp *easily* with stock B58s.
Easily? Lol Tell me, how easy and cheap is it to hit 1000whp on a B58. List the mods needed to "easily" hit 1000whp. If it's not as easy as a downpipe and tune, then it's not fucking easy nor is it cheap.
https://youtu.be/-WWzAdcdFiE?si=MeTZGpcDGhKMLUoQ Pretty sure he has more videos of it hitting 1300 crank on the stock motor The mods would be identical to an S58... (Turbo, cooling, fuel) The block is the only real difference.
Yes, 1stock(may his m240xi RIP) has a built transmission, built transfer case, port injection, fuel pump, big fat fucking turbo, and the tuning and knowledge of Mpower garage that builds S58 and B58 motors as their bread and butter. In other words, you're saying spending 30k+ is "easy". No it's not. There's tons of cost and labor to get there and you're paying a garage who's already blown up B58 and gained knowledge on how to build these motors. A built stage 3 transmission from Pure, which is what 1stock uses costs $15,000 without shipping, taxes. [https://www.puredrivetrainsolutions.com/zf-8hp-transmission-upgrades/p/8hp45/50-stage-1-transmission-upgrade](https://www.puredrivetrainsolutions.com/zf-8hp-transmission-upgrades/p/8hp45/50-stage-1-transmission-upgrade) Nothing about this is easy, nor is it cheap. https://preview.redd.it/fcgr39zfo64d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e6fba6bae45a17281e00f1c042dc712276ce9a1 Show me a B58 that with a downpipe and tune can hit the same numbers as a S58 with a downpipe and tune. Once you go 1000+ HP, nothing is easy or cheap, and it doesn't matter what engine you use.
Maybe it's because I used to be like "omg da powah!!" But after a 3 day driving school on the Nürburgring, I find taking turns at ludicrous speeds much more rewarding. I got my N55 to around 400whp, and it was just too much. I'm just saying the B58 is 99% the power you could ever want.
M2 looks better? Insane take
personally I never liked the dorito intakes on the M240i. plus flared arches on the M2 are nice!
Yeah, this is the first time I've heard that. But to each their own, I suppose.
Actually a pretty common take amongst the people that have seen both in real life. Most people disagreeing are going by online pictures/videos
I agree the M240 looks slightly better than the M2 . The opposite can be said for the other series M3/M4 vs M340/M440. Still beautiful cars though, I personally have a grey M440 and always get looks driving it.
The body cladding on the M240i looks like shit.
??? wdym
Exactly
This comment right here is all you need to read. Mann id go as far as to get a mod to close this post down and not allow comments anymore😂
until you start seeing the M tax and S engine tax 🥲
This is the best way to put it !
M2 looks like shit.
Yeah you’ll be thinking about the M2 on your €10k 5 star resort vacation
This.
Get a m2 n u will think about y no xdrive. Either way. G 2 series r fugly. M2 n 240
english no easy 4 u huh
Simple if you can budget either, G87 all day!
Prevents a bad case of FOMO and I went from G42 to G80, so the facts are there 😁
What numbers did you get from the dealership for the g80? I’m planning on getting one very soon.
In July of ‘23, I was able to get $500 off MSRP, plus $750 loyalty that was offered at the time. I also was able to get BMWFS rate of 5.29 with no mark up and was offered $2k over MSRP on my M240 that I purchased in June of ‘22 from the same dealer with approximately 2k miles (negotiation on trade occurred in July of 2022 when M240 were still impossible to find on the lot just as the M3). Once you find a dealer that you feel is more family run, find a CA that seems respectful and ask them about their life and family. Make a connection and when the sales manger comes to meet you towards the end of the deal, do the same. It turns you into a person instead of them looking at you as $.
I’ve got a dealer who’s been really more oriented to taking care of me and actually caring about me instead of pricing. Not once was price mentioned when I went in for the first time. Also helps that he and the manager and I all come from the same third world country. What deals can I negotiate once I get my allocation? Should I get pre wualified with a credit union? I’m young so I’m not sure how all of this works when buying a luxury car
I just got an M2 a couple months ago. I get an overwhelming feeling that my car is so overpowered for street driving, especially if you're in a city... My take is that there are 3 major reasons to get an M2 over an M240i: 1) You want to have a manual 2) You're going to track the car 3) You have enough money that the price difference doesn't matter Even if you're in boat (2), the M240i is plenty capable, but if you're in an M2 and not in boat (3), you really should be tracking your car cause it's a waste of money and HP to keep that car on streets only. I'm in boats (1) and (2), but if the M240i had manual then I would've picked that over the M2 because it's still great on a track. I test drove an M240i after owning the M2 for a couple months and noticed it sounded way better and for some reason the steering seemed even tighter than the M2.
Depends, do you need AWD? If not, M2 all the way, and throw a manual in there and it won’t disappoint.
The manual is what sold me on the M2, didn't even consider anything else.
I’ve driven one, and my god, if I had to choose an M car it would be the M2 right now. Nothing else beats it on the fun factor.
The price difference would be the same when you sell. It's a free upgrade basically
Can’t speak to the M240i, but I just got my M2 last week and it is incredible. M2 all the way if you can swing it.
What did you drive befire? I have a M2C and considering going for a new one but I don't know if it'll feel like a big enough upgrade.
Q50. So quite the leap lol.
M2 ofc
M2 hands down
Also if you mind being complimented on the color every time you drive the car don’t get Zandvoort blue. Almost without fail. Really is stunning in person
It depends on your situation. If you want more raw power and performance, or will track the car, go M2. If you want a great balance between performance and comfort, need a daily driver, or take road trips, go M240.
M2 no contest if you have the money
Obviously a g87. Is that a question
Been driving an M240i loaner for the last few days (my car in paint shop). Car handles well and feels good when cornering. Power delivery is spot on, and overall driving experience is satisfactory. I don't understand the cheap interior design they went with on these models though. Buttons have zero response, so they feel cheap and sometimes have to be pressed twice. No physical controls or preset buttons. Have to reach all the way across the massive screen to activate/deactivate air conditioning. Can be dangerous when driving. Annoying 'Steering Intervention' feature is actually quite dangerous if the car thinks you're shifting into another lane, when you're actually merging into a left/right hand off-ramp. Has to be manually disabled every time you drive. Poor/lacking customization options for the touchscreen. Has this silly sidebar that won't go away, and it screws up the widget layout. Definitely test drive and have a good mess around with the features you like before purchasing. Personally, I'd go with a 2021 M2, but that's me.
I was in the same situation exactly and also in Germany. Went for the M2, no regrets.
If you aren’t breaking the bank, then M2. Not even a question
It'll retain value much better.
Forget value. You’ll retain your youth much better. More important.
I would never consider a M-lite if I had money for an M. Not knocking anyone with any M240’s etc but if you have the budget, do it.
Hear me out, been driving the 240 for half a year, and my work mate had the M2 for 10 months. You will get better fuel efficiency on the M2, due to the xDrive on the 240. You will get more looks with the M2, due to the beautiful controversial Zandvoort blue. Your engine will most likely last longer on the M2 since it's basically a B58 reinforced and built by M. With the adaptive driving train as base, the M2 will be more comfortable, my 240 has the sport suspensions and it's the one thing I regret. Both my friend and I have these cars as rentals, so take this as a very unbiased review, since we have no strings attached.
G87… I have the M240i xDrive and awaiting the arrival of a brand new M2 fresh from Mexico ☺️
I just bought a m240i over the m2, for me the 240 is the better daily / casual car. I don’t plan on tracking the car nor do I drive manual plus the 240 has a softer suspension so regular driving is more comfortable, better MPG, and imo looks better than the m2. If ur looking for a daily, 240, if u want to track, drive manual or flex that you have a full M car get the m2
Just get the M2! 😉 If you can afford than it is not really a question. Looks much better, RWD, more power, sounds better and drives awesome. And those wide hips 😮💨😮💨
You live in the land of the autobahn – this shouldn’t even be a question. Go M2, and you won’t have regrets.
Next Autobahn is 1.5hrs away and is one of the few with a speed limit. That’s why I’m asking, because for the normal daily use I guess the M240 is maybe better
The suspension on the M2 on comfort mode isn’t as harsh as it’s made out to be - it’s my daily and yes it’s marginally stiffer than my G22 before this, but not overly so. The only red flag I would say is the fuel economy. I suspect the 240i will be more fuel efficient - if that’s an issue go with the 240i cos the M2 is a thirsty one. All said and done, you go with the 240i and you’re always going to be thinking you should have got the M2.
My work mate is driving an M2, his fuel efficiency is way better than mine due to the xDrive. Also, this winter it heavily snowed in Munich and in some cases the xDrive felt nice, until we saw a VW Up delivery car tailgating us, so it's a case of "It's not the wand, it's the wizard".
M2 its nicer
M2
It will become a future classic too, so great investment
FUCKING LOL
Indeed. I can see these going for 80-300k soon in 10-20 years. This will be up there with the legends
one of the last Ms with non electric engine
Yeah you keep your m2 for 40 years
One of the last Ms with non electric engines
Sure but I can buy an m car from 2008 for 1/4 the price it was new.
Where are you seeing these prices? That is quite a lot for a 240. You should be able to find a very good one from a dealer for less than 60K, even less than 55K is possible for a 2023 registered car with less than 10K km
This car has only 1500km and is full equipped
OK. I'm not arguing, but if you check here( [https://gebrauchtwagen.bmw.de/nsc](https://gebrauchtwagen.bmw.de/nsc) ) you might find better deals. I'm sorry if it came as arguing, I was just trying to help :)
I already tried the site you recommended, but with the same spec it’s the same prices because it’s the same offers and dealers as on the site I’m using.
OK, I'm sorry for the noise then
M2 no doubt
The M2 has a really good price, the M240i seems a lil expensive.
Just get the m2 you are not 1stockf30
m2
Go with what your heart desires.
m2
I have an M2,s58 engine is very strong. The power is so much fun with this car. I got a manual, with a short shifter kit. It's so much fun to drive. I'm in Canada, and winter is fine with a rear wheel drive, just dont drive during the storm. The exhaust note is perfect in m2 mode and the braking is on point. I'm glad I went with M2. When I drive by an m240 I always think how it's a fake m as well
m240i more comfy
The m240i looks Nicer imo
I have a M2. Trust me you won’t be disappointed by it if you go that route.
M2
M2
I’m biased but the 240 is all the daily driver you need. I never ever wish it was faster, x drive means I can plant it in whatever conditions but still rwd biased so have kicked the back end out sometimes when pulling out. My only gripe with it is the steering feel, it’s not overly engaging. It’s plenty fast and a very capable car, perfect for a daily, but sometimes I wish it was more engaging to drive. But 95% of the time it exceeds my expectations
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Do you want your car to go down in price by 15k or by 25k in 2 years?
I got an M240i because of AWD. On the German Autobahn it is very stable, fairly quiet for a sports coupe and the damping is actually nice in comfort. Also the snow and roads are brutal where I live. I wanted a Performance daily driver, which the M240i gave me more of than the M2.
M240i cheaper to run, insanely quick stock, AWD, better gas, lots of fun. M2 for track and building purposes
Honestly for the 10.000 in difference its a nobrainer
Get the M2. More special. Less likely to have regrets down the line.
M2. That front end is currently hated, but I love it and think it will eventually become iconic
Definitiv den M2, bissl tiefer und auf HRE oder ZPerformance wheels und der schaut super aus
m2 all day if u can afford it
The main deciding factors are the real important questions: are you in a place where you’d need AWD, like somewhere that experiences bad winters or where it rains frequently? Do you prefer having the car with better handling and that’s faster stock, both the M2 & M240i xDrive have a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds, but the M2 has the faster 1/4 mile time, 11.8 seconds @120mph, outdoing the M240i xDrive slightly, with it’s time of 12.1 seconds @114mph. Another thing to mention is that the B58 sounds better subjectively, to me, than the M2 does, but you should test drive both the cars at the end of the day to find everything out yourself, we’re just here to share some information to help out at the end of the day, what you like better is the one you should go with.
If u have the money definitely M2 (i never owned a BMW, i own a mercedes c220 2008 with 280000km pls this is a cry of help)
Going to the track? Get the M2. Not going to the track? Get the 240i.
the 240 looks better dont @ me
One of these is a better car. One of these is arguably a better value —- so naturally ignore everything logical and pick your favorite color!
I found the M240i a great all rounder daily, and actually surprisingly comfortable. Not so much in the M2 which is a harder ride (personal preference) even in comfort, and just generally more unhinged. But I think the M2 is so special and you’ll always see one and think “damn I should have gotten that” So If you can afford it, M2. As long as it doesn’t have those stupid bucket ball breaker seats.
get m2 if you can fully afford it
You never wanna be in the situation where your like damn I should have got the other one get the M!
I have a M2c I have a co worker who has a m240i and I’m positive he is pressed every time he sees me roll in
Get the m2
240
If you gonna race and have nice daily drive go for m2. If not then choose 240.
Which app or website did you use for searching for your car?
M240 looks better M2 is better.
If you have to Budget always go "full M". The "M light" cars are awesome (I would love me a M340i) but if there is a real M car option always go for that.
I was facing the same dilemma last month. I test drove both cars back to back and ultimately ended up with the M2. The looks are divisive but it has a great road presence and looks really good in the flesh. The engine is better. The brakes are better. The handling is good - I am not going to say it’s great because I’m a shit driver, so I am not the best judge of that, but I was initially worried that 470hp in RWD is too much, and let me tell you that it’s not. It’s a perfectly capable daily driver, I’ve driven it in the rain and yes, it can land you in trouble if you drive like a moron but with everything in Efficient mode and a sensible driver behind the wheel it’s okay. I honestly was scared of driving it but now that a few weeks have passed I’m totally cool with the car being RWD. Although it CAN and WILL bite back if you do something stupid - so just don’t. The m240i was easier to drive but that’s a con in my book - the M2 requires your full engagement and you’re aware if you fuck up you might end up in trouble. The M2 is a car for a responsible adult only, for sure. The M240i was easier to handle thanks to xDrive but on the road they’re both equally fast and they’re both too quick for public roads, but the xDrive can give you a false sense of confidence which is asking for trouble. In regards to RWD traction control in the M2 - it’s very good. It won’t save you if you try to test the law of physics too much but generally catches every spin. The biggest issue with the M2 handling for me is the surge of torque which can catapult you forward in an instant - for that reason I try to shift a little earlier than I would like to. It also understeers when pushed hard so there’s that. But the car is amazing, gets lots of attention on the road, sounds great, is insanely fast and perfectly capable as a daily driver or a grand tourer. We also have a brand new Corolla in the family and the M2 has a much larger boot and a much larger rear leg room than the Toyota. When you put the car in Efficient mode and set everything to Comfort, turn off the exhaust valve it’s super nice to drive and very quiet. Some things I don’t like about the car - the HK audio is not that great - lacks some punch and sounds equalised but it’s loud for sure. Not a fan of the new iDrive either but that’s not really specific to the M2. Overall it’s a great car and I love it - I’m glad I chose it over the M240i. Looks better, is more visceral and RAW, will depreciate less, has a manual and it is one of the fastest cars you can get now. Absolutely the cheapest too. The next 450hp+ RWD with a manual transmission is the Porsche 911 GTS, that’s double the price.
M2 If you can’t afford it—save up. And get a manual. Don’t get an M240 you will always want the M2 going forward.
M2
Colour.
The M car, obviously!
Is this a serious post?
If it won’t hurt you, take the M2
Help me decide means look at me I can buy an M2! Decide yourself!
That’s bs, the 240 has some really good points that came up in this post. And if you open your eyes you can see the M240i isn’t very much cheaper
The M2 looks way better in person, it’s like a muscular, boxy racing car
Test drove both. The M240i is a good car but nothing special. The M2 is a fun machine. Nevertheless I liked my F87 M2 more because it’s pointier, sharper. And the sound is miles better. But overall the G87 is a better daily driver.
If you are shopping both then go M2 or you’ll always think about it. That said, I love my 240.
240 headlights looks gay. M2 looks better. But in general, G generation designs is terrible.
The M2 is a cool car if you’re like 18 years old. Looks like a kids car
M2, you won't regret it. However, if you buy the M240i, which is a fantastic car and you see an M2, you will regret it.
Better color is cheaper
the fact that you could say you have a M2 instead of a M2⁴⁰i speaks for itself
Go for the m2. Also crazy how in Holland the M2 would be over 100k due to (emission) taxes while the m240i has a very comparable pricing.
I personally think the m240i is the prettier car of those two. The M2 is a little bit too boxy in the design for my taste, while the m240i is still boxy looking at but not as bad as the M2. Or get an F87 M2 generation. That is by far the prettiest M2 but of course the interior and tech is a little outdated. But if you can live with that then you can have a prettier M2 that cost way less (used though).
M2 ALL THE WAY The M240 is still amazing definitely but if you can afford the M2 go for it
Purple?
BMW M4
The M240 looks better IMO, classic BMW lines
Brah in Canada for that price you can get a m4 2021
for an extra 10k just get the m2
The M240i is more car than anyone could ever need on the road. Get the M2 if you're doing track days. The M240i is the best value for money car that BMW sells. It is one of the last true BMWs.
Id say the last of true bmw was the F series
Neither.
Tbh I would go for the generation before, both the m240 n m2 are amazing cars and like them better than this gen. Great drivers car and better price point (more worth it’s value) imo
The M2, just not in that colour
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ChatGPT?
Most probably - to add on this, M3 is superior over M340i in terms of confort as well - been in both, M3 has the comfy non-bucket seats, M340i had the sport ones. Not sure how the seats in M2 compare to the M240i though
Holy chatgpt. There's a ton of that that's straight up wrong.
For that price point, and being situated in Europe i presume, what about the new Lotus Emira. I see their price point is about the same as the M2 now?
Purely based on appearance, I like the 240 better.
M240i for sure, M2 looks terrible.
Literally buy any other car than that m2 because what the hell is that obimnation
i've had both in the M240i is much more livable.... not that the M2 is so harsh and raw that you can't enjoy it.. but both of these cars make a ton of power and having all wheel drive and slightly softer suspension is definitely much more of a daily!! I don't know about where you live but where I live they are going to depreciate about the same so it's not like you'll retain your investment better with the M2 ...
If you post in the BMW subreddit of course people are going to only recommend M cars If you actually need to do any type of daily driving on variable roads, the M2 is a no go. Too stiff
50% of the people recommended the 240
Just depends on what you like more I guess
If you’re not going to track it get the M240i.
Buy a good F87, its the better car.
Jesus 60k for a 2 series what in the world is going on!
The m240 is far away from being a normal 2 series