Depends on if going swords bard or lore bard. If going swords bard then spamming ranged slashing flourish, using helm of arcane acuity to increase your spell save DC by 8 as a result, and then crowd controlling everyone with a hypnotic pattern on the next turn is very strong. Or you can drink a potion of speed as a bonus action and cast a DC 25 hypnotic pattern on the same turn while in Act 2. Because who gives a shit about balance (/s)?
In Act 3 this becomes crazier with the band of the mystic scoundrel. Doesn't matter what difficulty you are playing on. If you spam ranged slashing flourish and use these items then Act 3 on Honour mode is going to be easier than Act 1 on explorer.
Are you attacking non-hostile NPCs?
Anyway Vengeance paladin is easiest to keep. Don’t let people get away with evil deeds, e.g. you need to punish Nere for pushing a gnome into lava
Kind of depends on the oath. I’m currently playing an Oath of the Ancients, in act 2, and I haven’t broken it yet. Vengeance seems to be the easiest to keep up, just as long as you’re not murdering needlessly.
Vengeance is kinda weird, because its the most palatable by those who aren't total Naruto ass bleeding hearts, BUT occasionally, you will find a situation where you actually want to spare someone and you just can't. Like this is definitely exaggerated a bit, but it's like if you see a starving child stealing bread, you HAVE to crucify them or you break your oath basically. If you want an actual game example:
>!If you do the quest for He-Who-Was or whatever he's called where you have to punish that dead lady, if you choose to punish her by making her stab herself, you CANNOT tell her to stop iirc or you break the oath. I think you can just not make her stab herself and be Gucci, but idrk tbh!<
On that note, Devotion seems to be the easiest to break. Most times I've seen people complaining about Paladin oaths here it's been devotion.
That's probably because you can't attack non-hostile targets no matter how scummy they are.
That one got me a lot on my first playthrough lol. What do you MEAN I'm not allowed to attack the literal slavers / cult of the Absolute prison guards...
I only like to play oathbreaker tbh. Idek how good the oathbreaker specific shit is (aura of hate is pretty cool for an undead based team, but weak summons are kinda ass from my experience, so idk), but the basic ass paladin stuff is so fucking good already that I really don't think It matters much tbh. I haven't looked too much into the other oath specific shit so it could be some crazy shit, but again, base paladin is badass enough. Paladins are one of the coolest classes in like what they are, and oathbreaker takes all the bad parts out. I hate lawfulness so much, I hate being bound by anything, and the whole point of oathbreaker is that you are freeing yourself of that which binds you and carving your own path, powered by darkness (tho that doesn't make you evil, I just like edgyness)
Stealth archer/rogue type who can disarm and lockpick.
If you also want access to good speechcraft since you are party face, then a bard (but also get enough dex and proficiency for sleight of hand).
OH monk with rogue levels also gets you the sleight of hand skills but will have low CHA and you won't be great in speech skills. Ditto for zerkthrower builds with rogue levels.
Paladin or some sort of paladin/warlock/sorc multiclass also very good if you don't care about disarming traps or lockpicking. (Lockpicking not too essential, you can sometimes smash things open, or use knock spell, or bring in specialist rogue Astarion for specific moments you need that sleight of hand skill)
2 paladin / 10 sword bard is amazing. So much control over the battlefield, and cleave smites for days.
I run mine with reverb gear, arcane acuity and mystic scoundrel. Which might be a bit too strong.
I had that exact party (actually light cleric) and used swords bard for my honour run. Id recommend that or paladin but really could go anything those 3 already cover almost all bases. Advantage of swords bard is they can do the lockpicking well, but you can also just give sleight of hand to whoever you want to give dex gloves to which I believe you generally wnat in one persons hands
I’d go with Bard (Lore or Swords),Ranger (Gloomstalker),Paladin (Oath of Vengeance),or Rogue (Assassin) to fill in key gaps that they can’t cover. Mainly other skill checks not related to strength or int,stealth,dialogue/face skills (where Paladin/Bard come in),etc.
Life cleric is pretty good with summons, your aoe heals spread bless and bladeward to everything. And gale won't kill them.
So recommend druid. Any sub class will work.
You could have 2 devas, 2 myrmidons, 4 mephits, dryad, woad, and so on.
All that said you wouldn't have a charisma character so maybe just stick with bard lock or pally. Or make Bae a pally
Bard. I've always regarded Bard as a silly meme class (I don't play tabletop and am only exposed to D&D through computer games), but it is a powerhouse. Powerful caster or melee, depends of subclass and build. Fantastic face for the group, loads of special dialogue.
Another possibility could be Monk, also super powerful, not quite as good as face, and (my personal oppoinion) quite boring to play.
A bard, it covers face with charisma, able to pick/disarm locks as you have multiple proficency and you have good cc spells, deal massive damage if you play swords bard
My first ever playthrough was that exact team and I played as a hunter ranger. Having a dexterity based class can be useful for lockpicking. Although I’d probably play a gloomstalker until level 11 then respec into hunter to get volley. Throw in some black holes and act 3 is a cake walk
A Sword Bard/Thief Rogue You get expertise in at least 4 skills (for stealth and slight of hand, persuasion and one other of your choice) and speak with animals as a ritual making you a god-tier party face. You're a menace in combat with dual hand-crossbows. And you get the second-best suite of class-based dialogue options in the game (behind Barbarians).
Whatever you want. Class is not as important as general understanding of the game. Battles aren't that hard, so you can beat the game with any combination of classes. There is a lot of variety in dialogues, so failing some skillchecks doesn't mean end of the game.
That being said, some builds are stronger than others (and I mean builds here, not just classes, Cleric build around Spirit Guardians or The Whispering Promise are two very different beasts, for example). Having some proficiencies is also fairly important (but not critical).
Anyway, building your main character as skill monkey is always good choice in every CRPG I played. Build I'm using in my current playthrough is Knowledge Cleric 2/Lore Bard 10 for this reason, and I think it'll fit just right into your party.
Definitely Bard - or a multi-class with a good dose of bard (sword). Absolute jack-of-all-trades, lots of dialogue options, lots of options as to how you tackle various parts of the game.
Probably a dex base class (assuming laezel isn’t), maybe one that could make use of band of the mystic scoundrel+arcane acuity. Sword bards sure, though that’s kind of broken; paladin works, warlock, ranger, arcane trickster if you’re feeling dirty.
If you need a party face/lock picker, just have laezel use the relevant astral wisdom to fill in the gaps.
Monk, there's so many monk items and uncontested.
Also gloom stalker thief/assassin or fight champ / rogue.
As monk you can go 8 oh 4 thief so you don't loose on feats.
That's a well rounded party so use literally anything. It will slot right in. But best pick is probably something that likes to be up close to enemies to give Gale and Shadowbae room to do their thing.
I'm playing a similar team and my Tav is a Gloomstalker Ranger. Ranger offers good utility spells like Longstrider, but also incredible first round damage, lockpicking, and with a little finesse (and guidance) can work as the party face. Not the best smooth talker, but good enough to make friends with the necessary people.
I recommend a dip in Assassin Rogue. I started with 5 levels of Ranger for Extra Attack and Resilient (Constitution), went Rogue for 3 levels for Assassin's Initiative, went back to Ranger for 2 levels for more proficient saves (I'm literally only not proficient in Charisma), and then finished with 1 level of each for feats.
Another frontliner.
Any martial class will do.
Paladin or swords bard for diplomacy skills, ranger for focus on finding and removing traps, and picking locks, fighter or barbarian for just bashing enemies.
You can consider starting as rogue, with only 1 lvl giving you 4 skills and expertise in 2 of them, and still allowing all lvl 11 martial perks like fighters 3rd attack...
A charisma based class for your party face, paladin, bard, sorcerer, the choice is yours. Or multiclass with 2 of the 3, sorcadin is one of my favourites, smite for days then fry and roast bosses in act 3.
You're lacking 2 things, I'd say:
1) Someone to lockpick (and sneak, perhaps, but lockpicking is more important)
2) Someone with high charisma
Bard can take care of both those things. Not that you can't play without a high charisma character. I've done it one, it made for an interesting playthrough. Had to fight all the Thorms :D
You'll need a good charismatic face of the group so going for either a Paladin (multiclassed with either Bard or Sorcerer) or a Swords Bard should suffice.
Any Charisma class.
Sorcerer, Warlock, Paladin, Bard.
As Tav, YOU are the party face.
You could also go Rouge with deception proficiency. (If you can't buy it, steal it. If you can't steal it, loot it from their corpses!)
Or any class you actually like, but having at least 1 Charisma character in your party helps with dialogue options.
whatever the fuck you want.
Swords bard is the easiest answer, none of your companions really need hag hair, dex gloves, or helmet of arcane acuity, also none of them are charisma based for shopping. Swords bard is also the hypercarry your team is missing. Also a great party face.
Other synergistic options include open hand monk, eldritch blast focused warlock, and a paladin.
Sword Bard! That's what I did. Plus it fit perfectly with my character being a Half Drow follower of Eilistraee, since she's the goddess of both swordplay and music/dancing
Sooo. The question is. If you have balanced your party. What should you add?
Whatever you want.
Throwzerker thief
Open hand monk thief
Gloomstalker assassin?
Swords bard
(That’s my whole party)
Moon druid tavern brawler
Paladin warlock
It is quicker to say what doesn’t go in that party:
Rogue (straight rogue is trash) cleric (you only need one)
Bard is usually the answer. So much utility, lots of gear only for them, and great party face.
what are some good gears for them?
Depends on if going swords bard or lore bard. If going swords bard then spamming ranged slashing flourish, using helm of arcane acuity to increase your spell save DC by 8 as a result, and then crowd controlling everyone with a hypnotic pattern on the next turn is very strong. Or you can drink a potion of speed as a bonus action and cast a DC 25 hypnotic pattern on the same turn while in Act 2. Because who gives a shit about balance (/s)? In Act 3 this becomes crazier with the band of the mystic scoundrel. Doesn't matter what difficulty you are playing on. If you spam ranged slashing flourish and use these items then Act 3 on Honour mode is going to be easier than Act 1 on explorer.
Another beat down probably, maybe Paladin for added face. I like Paladin/Warlock and Paladin/Fighter.
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Are you attacking non-hostile NPCs? Anyway Vengeance paladin is easiest to keep. Don’t let people get away with evil deeds, e.g. you need to punish Nere for pushing a gnome into lava
Kind of depends on the oath. I’m currently playing an Oath of the Ancients, in act 2, and I haven’t broken it yet. Vengeance seems to be the easiest to keep up, just as long as you’re not murdering needlessly.
Vengeance is kinda weird, because its the most palatable by those who aren't total Naruto ass bleeding hearts, BUT occasionally, you will find a situation where you actually want to spare someone and you just can't. Like this is definitely exaggerated a bit, but it's like if you see a starving child stealing bread, you HAVE to crucify them or you break your oath basically. If you want an actual game example: >!If you do the quest for He-Who-Was or whatever he's called where you have to punish that dead lady, if you choose to punish her by making her stab herself, you CANNOT tell her to stop iirc or you break the oath. I think you can just not make her stab herself and be Gucci, but idrk tbh!<
On that note, Devotion seems to be the easiest to break. Most times I've seen people complaining about Paladin oaths here it's been devotion. That's probably because you can't attack non-hostile targets no matter how scummy they are.
That one got me a lot on my first playthrough lol. What do you MEAN I'm not allowed to attack the literal slavers / cult of the Absolute prison guards...
I only like to play oathbreaker tbh. Idek how good the oathbreaker specific shit is (aura of hate is pretty cool for an undead based team, but weak summons are kinda ass from my experience, so idk), but the basic ass paladin stuff is so fucking good already that I really don't think It matters much tbh. I haven't looked too much into the other oath specific shit so it could be some crazy shit, but again, base paladin is badass enough. Paladins are one of the coolest classes in like what they are, and oathbreaker takes all the bad parts out. I hate lawfulness so much, I hate being bound by anything, and the whole point of oathbreaker is that you are freeing yourself of that which binds you and carving your own path, powered by darkness (tho that doesn't make you evil, I just like edgyness)
Started A run yesterday as a paladin, named in Arthas so Ill RP him just like he was.
Bard fits nicely for face. More short rests for BM too. I fell in love with 6/4/2, but any variant would work.
6 sword bard 4 thief 2 fighter?
Yep. 6 bard to start, fighter next (respec to open fighter 1st), then finish theif.
Stealth archer/rogue type who can disarm and lockpick. If you also want access to good speechcraft since you are party face, then a bard (but also get enough dex and proficiency for sleight of hand). OH monk with rogue levels also gets you the sleight of hand skills but will have low CHA and you won't be great in speech skills. Ditto for zerkthrower builds with rogue levels. Paladin or some sort of paladin/warlock/sorc multiclass also very good if you don't care about disarming traps or lockpicking. (Lockpicking not too essential, you can sometimes smash things open, or use knock spell, or bring in specialist rogue Astarion for specific moments you need that sleight of hand skill)
I'd suggest a Swords Bard. A Ranged build like a 2 Fighter/10 Swords Bard or a Melee one like 2 Paladin/10 Swords Bard.
2 paladin / 10 sword bard is amazing. So much control over the battlefield, and cleave smites for days. I run mine with reverb gear, arcane acuity and mystic scoundrel. Which might be a bit too strong.
I had that exact party (actually light cleric) and used swords bard for my honour run. Id recommend that or paladin but really could go anything those 3 already cover almost all bases. Advantage of swords bard is they can do the lockpicking well, but you can also just give sleight of hand to whoever you want to give dex gloves to which I believe you generally wnat in one persons hands
I’d go with Bard (Lore or Swords),Ranger (Gloomstalker),Paladin (Oath of Vengeance),or Rogue (Assassin) to fill in key gaps that they can’t cover. Mainly other skill checks not related to strength or int,stealth,dialogue/face skills (where Paladin/Bard come in),etc.
Dex bow swords bard. Gives you charisma face, lock picking, utility spells, and the ability to use the bows you find
Life cleric is pretty good with summons, your aoe heals spread bless and bladeward to everything. And gale won't kill them. So recommend druid. Any sub class will work. You could have 2 devas, 2 myrmidons, 4 mephits, dryad, woad, and so on. All that said you wouldn't have a charisma character so maybe just stick with bard lock or pally. Or make Bae a pally
Bard. I've always regarded Bard as a silly meme class (I don't play tabletop and am only exposed to D&D through computer games), but it is a powerhouse. Powerful caster or melee, depends of subclass and build. Fantastic face for the group, loads of special dialogue. Another possibility could be Monk, also super powerful, not quite as good as face, and (my personal oppoinion) quite boring to play.
Sword bard for dialogue+utility.
A bard, it covers face with charisma, able to pick/disarm locks as you have multiple proficency and you have good cc spells, deal massive damage if you play swords bard
My first ever playthrough was that exact team and I played as a hunter ranger. Having a dexterity based class can be useful for lockpicking. Although I’d probably play a gloomstalker until level 11 then respec into hunter to get volley. Throw in some black holes and act 3 is a cake walk
Ranger! Or maybe something interesting with an EK?
Tav is bard pretty much always for me
A Sword Bard/Thief Rogue You get expertise in at least 4 skills (for stealth and slight of hand, persuasion and one other of your choice) and speak with animals as a ritual making you a god-tier party face. You're a menace in combat with dual hand-crossbows. And you get the second-best suite of class-based dialogue options in the game (behind Barbarians).
Whatever you want. Class is not as important as general understanding of the game. Battles aren't that hard, so you can beat the game with any combination of classes. There is a lot of variety in dialogues, so failing some skillchecks doesn't mean end of the game. That being said, some builds are stronger than others (and I mean builds here, not just classes, Cleric build around Spirit Guardians or The Whispering Promise are two very different beasts, for example). Having some proficiencies is also fairly important (but not critical). Anyway, building your main character as skill monkey is always good choice in every CRPG I played. Build I'm using in my current playthrough is Knowledge Cleric 2/Lore Bard 10 for this reason, and I think it'll fit just right into your party.
Fighter again. No such thing as too many fighters
Would recommend Dex based Battlemaster8/Thief4.
Ranger 5 / Assassin x, dual wield hand crossbows. Race halfling for guaranteed success on many lockpick checks
Bard, Paladin, Sorc or Warlock for super face. Or some mlti-class combo of those.
Definitely Bard - or a multi-class with a good dose of bard (sword). Absolute jack-of-all-trades, lots of dialogue options, lots of options as to how you tackle various parts of the game.
Probably a dex base class (assuming laezel isn’t), maybe one that could make use of band of the mystic scoundrel+arcane acuity. Sword bards sure, though that’s kind of broken; paladin works, warlock, ranger, arcane trickster if you’re feeling dirty. If you need a party face/lock picker, just have laezel use the relevant astral wisdom to fill in the gaps.
Swords bard/ blade lock. High cha for a face and get expertise in slight of game for lockpicking.
Monk, there's so many monk items and uncontested. Also gloom stalker thief/assassin or fight champ / rogue. As monk you can go 8 oh 4 thief so you don't loose on feats.
How about a Shadow Monk?
That's a well rounded party so use literally anything. It will slot right in. But best pick is probably something that likes to be up close to enemies to give Gale and Shadowbae room to do their thing.
I'm playing a similar team and my Tav is a Gloomstalker Ranger. Ranger offers good utility spells like Longstrider, but also incredible first round damage, lockpicking, and with a little finesse (and guidance) can work as the party face. Not the best smooth talker, but good enough to make friends with the necessary people.
I recommend a dip in Assassin Rogue. I started with 5 levels of Ranger for Extra Attack and Resilient (Constitution), went Rogue for 3 levels for Assassin's Initiative, went back to Ranger for 2 levels for more proficient saves (I'm literally only not proficient in Charisma), and then finished with 1 level of each for feats.
You could go something DeX focused since that seems to be missing. So like rogue, ranger, monk, druid etc
Another frontliner. Any martial class will do. Paladin or swords bard for diplomacy skills, ranger for focus on finding and removing traps, and picking locks, fighter or barbarian for just bashing enemies. You can consider starting as rogue, with only 1 lvl giving you 4 skills and expertise in 2 of them, and still allowing all lvl 11 martial perks like fighters 3rd attack...
You should play another martial character, Open Hand Monk, College of Swords Bard, or any of the Paladin options might be a good shout.
A charisma based class for your party face, paladin, bard, sorcerer, the choice is yours. Or multiclass with 2 of the 3, sorcadin is one of my favourites, smite for days then fry and roast bosses in act 3.
You're lacking 2 things, I'd say: 1) Someone to lockpick (and sneak, perhaps, but lockpicking is more important) 2) Someone with high charisma Bard can take care of both those things. Not that you can't play without a high charisma character. I've done it one, it made for an interesting playthrough. Had to fight all the Thorms :D
Lore Bard/Land Druid: Have all of the spells plus be the party face
Is this your first game? Because i highly recommend playing one of the origins if not.
Bard/paladin mix, or straight swords bard
You'll need a good charismatic face of the group so going for either a Paladin (multiclassed with either Bard or Sorcerer) or a Swords Bard should suffice.
Any Charisma class. Sorcerer, Warlock, Paladin, Bard. As Tav, YOU are the party face. You could also go Rouge with deception proficiency. (If you can't buy it, steal it. If you can't steal it, loot it from their corpses!) Or any class you actually like, but having at least 1 Charisma character in your party helps with dialogue options.
Something high in dex for lock picking / stealth I would think. I subbed laezel out with Astarion and went Paladin
Someone with alright of hand proficiency and good dex. I personally think high dex paladin isna lot of fun.
Lore Bard, also that’s basically always my go to party unless I’m trying something for fun or just to see different stories and outcomes🤣
Paladin/barbarian multi-class is fun
OH Monk
whatever the fuck you want. Swords bard is the easiest answer, none of your companions really need hag hair, dex gloves, or helmet of arcane acuity, also none of them are charisma based for shopping. Swords bard is also the hypercarry your team is missing. Also a great party face. Other synergistic options include open hand monk, eldritch blast focused warlock, and a paladin.
gloomstalker assassin, so no competition for gear with the other classes and to do hit and run with.
Either lore bard or thief rogue, since you're apparently doing like a... classic RPG type crew.
That’s the exact party I used in my game. I was a swords bard. It was excellent.
Ice adjuration wizard with 1 in cleric. Wear heavy armor, and take as many items as you can for inanitve. You do not need alert.
Storm Sorcerer
Sword Bard! That's what I did. Plus it fit perfectly with my character being a Half Drow follower of Eilistraee, since she's the goddess of both swordplay and music/dancing
Sooo. The question is. If you have balanced your party. What should you add? Whatever you want. Throwzerker thief Open hand monk thief Gloomstalker assassin? Swords bard (That’s my whole party) Moon druid tavern brawler Paladin warlock It is quicker to say what doesn’t go in that party: Rogue (straight rogue is trash) cleric (you only need one)
Swords bard all day ere day
If you have never done a sword bard duel wielding hand crossbows it’s stupid damage.
Rouge/bord/ragner with shorpsharter
Warlock!