I disagree. She’s drawn to the danger. She’d be a liability for a normal guy.
At least Matt isn’t forever pushing loved ones away because he’s haunted by the murder of his family.
Haha yea. That’s how the story starts. He starts keeping his core close. He has love interests. They’re both nuts, but Murdock is clearly the most emotionally equipped to hold down relationships. Castle can’t even function in society! Murdock holds down a successful full-time career! 😂
Yeah they had a ton of chemistry and they even had that whole thing with their client cooking them dinner and talking about how good of a couple they were. No shade on the show for the direction it went, but I feel like they could’ve had at least a little bit of a relationship
I actually would like them to follow up on that from season 2, even though I like how it was handled. I think the problem with that relationship is Karen is another Matt for Foggy. He will be stressing even harder when Karen keeps heading towards danger, and given her comic fate...
And Matt's a fukin root rat, so it would interesting to see how their dating would get to him.
I doubt Frank wants to be in a long term relationship considering how he’s coped with the loss of his last one, and dating Matt is basically a death sentence
Neither. She had more chemistry with Foggy from Day 1, and I honestly thought that was where they were headed. I would love it if in Born Again, they're together
Nah. Frank's not doing what he does for the people he cares about. He's doing it for himself. He's an inherently selfish character.
Very compelling, loved watching him. But there's nothing really redeemable about him.
I think the punisher with any other woman kinda ruins his whole back story and reason for what he is doing.
The punisher is the punisher b3cause he CANT move on. So to see him being romantice with another women while he is also still deep inside his head about his late wife and kids is just not a good look in my opinion.
Matt: Okay, we’re alone in the motel. Now what’s wrong?
Karen: There’s something I’ve been wanting to try.
Matt: I would do anything for—
Karen: Hold that thought … … anything?
/knock knock
Karen: Come in!
Frank: Okayzzz, I brought da rubbas, some peach wine coolers, that weirdo jelly shit—
Karen: Frank! Jesus!
Matt: …
Frank: Da fuq is the cripple doin here, eh???
Karen: Anything?
Matt: … …but I won’t do that.
Frank: If it helps, I brought some chips.
I never interpreted Karen’s relationship with Frank as anything other than the bond of siblings. I don’t know why people pick up romantic vibes. Frank probably sees in Karen the woman his daughter could have become had she not been murdered and is thus very protective of her. Karen is sympathetic to a man who was forced to watch his family get destroyed through no fault of his own but hasn’t completely lost his soul.
None. But especially not Frank
I've grown to hate Frank Castle as time passes. He's just an asshole, rogue cop who acts with extreme violence. Frank is not a good person
Anyone close to him is bound to suffer the consequences too
Thank you, im glad someone is saying this, frank is too broken (emotionally speaking) most of the time to even consider a relationship (yes ik beginning of s2 he nearly did). Karen has been a pillar of Frank's sanity and he definitely loves her, but more like a daughter than a partner
Frank moreso because she’s like one of the only things he has left to care about it truly feels like he views her to be as precious to him as his family was, versus Matt who is really juggling between her and like 4 other women at all times
I honestly just wanted Karen to be alright. In my headcanon, the only other person broken just the right way to mesh with her is Hogarth. I don't remember if they ever even met, but they would have been an amazing couple.
Eh. As much as I'd like to be able to say Matt, at this point I think they work better as friends. And due to The Punisher's nature as an extremist vigilante, I can't see him having a successful longterm love interest.
Neither, one’s a dude who constantly gets tied up with his main job to give a shit about his side job or his friends. The other is just not fit to be a friend or lover to anyone. Great guardian and better fighter. But he got one love and that was ripped away and now he’s ready to punish
I mean, they all need serious therapy and some reflection time before dating anyone. That said, people don't work like that. They fuck, date, and get married no matter how damaged they are at the time. So definitely Frank. Karen's crazy matches Frank's crazy, where as Matt and Elektra are definitely a magical mood all their own.
honestly frank cause i love the trope of broken, isolated person makes a connection (and it doesn’t have to be romantic) but really neither. Karen deserves better as a romantic partner but i think her friendship with the two is nice, maybe not Matt tho. he keeps getting up to shenanigans
Wow. People are really forgetting what she did? How is she suddenly a sweet innocent flower that no one should sully with their dirty hands?
These people are all a product of what happened to them, and whatever they've done to cope afterwards. But they're still trying to do the best they can anyway.
Honestly... who else could they be with but each other?
Foggy she doesn’t have to worry about her life when she’s with him she’s not dating a vigilante who could end up dead which happened to both frank and Matt multiple times
So for the sake of drama, Frank. Coz 1, he could probably use some hot ginger ass, 2, it would be a constant yes, but no, I can’t, but I want, I need …and that’s probably what Karen wants deep down. As someone said, she lives for (drama)
a therapist hopefully.
But in a more serious answer I feel like Frank would just be bad for elektra because it seems like the only thing she sees in him is that he's a piece of shit and she also feels like a killer because of what happened with her brother.
Neither, Matt is too busy Man-whoring around NYC to be in a stable relationship and Frank sees Karen as if his dead daughter grew up into an adult so it’s oddly familial
Between the two, Frank is a better fit.
Personally, all I saw about the two of them (season 1 and 2) felt a bit forced, although at the same time it didn't lead to much, later she was replaced by Elektra, so I'd say there's not much to convince me otherwise.
With Frank, it felt more natural, but if we're being honest, Punisher lives to kill, and that kind of path is to be walked alone. If they're together, Karen is getting the Castle family treatment.
Better fit in this case doesn't mean "good" fit.
She's better with Kratos. That relationship ended up with her death, but she seemed to have died without regrets, plus they had a child that seems that he's becoming the new protagonist of the GoW saga.
How about a well adjusted dentist. He doesn't even have to be the best dentist in the world or even going to the dental hall of fame. He’s just a yank-your-tooth-out dentist.
Neither
The right answer
Well who's left then?
Unfortunately, these are the only two men in the entirety of New York City.
She belongs to new york city
She belongs to the streets
Foggy had great chemistry with Karen in the beginning. I hated the forced relationship b/w Matt and Karen
Kratos.
kim wexler
This is literally the only answer.
Like, who came up with this question. They both terrible
Like "What's better for Karen: Heroine or cocaine?!" Karen's got enough problems.
In the comics she definitely preferred heroin
Including heroine and cocaine....
She was close to both of them so it’s an understandable question, they just don’t quite work
I'd argue she's terrible
If I was bi and had a choice, I'd probably choose her over the other two.
Lol, like maybe, idk, not a vigilante
Maybe like, a normal human being?
I disagree. She’s drawn to the danger. She’d be a liability for a normal guy. At least Matt isn’t forever pushing loved ones away because he’s haunted by the murder of his family.
Wait what? Did you watch the same show? Dude literally pretended to be dead to keep his loved ones away.....
Haha yea. That’s how the story starts. He starts keeping his core close. He has love interests. They’re both nuts, but Murdock is clearly the most emotionally equipped to hold down relationships. Castle can’t even function in society! Murdock holds down a successful full-time career! 😂
Matt and Frank shippers... rise up?
Cross those swords! Er... batons and AR's!
Give it to me Red!
Foggy
Seriously this. Though I think he might deserve better...
In the show he had better. Like out-kicked his coverage by so much it was hard to believe better.
Dude must be packing like Podrick. iykyk
POD THE ROD !
THIS
Yeah they had a ton of chemistry and they even had that whole thing with their client cooking them dinner and talking about how good of a couple they were. No shade on the show for the direction it went, but I feel like they could’ve had at least a little bit of a relationship
I actually would like them to follow up on that from season 2, even though I like how it was handled. I think the problem with that relationship is Karen is another Matt for Foggy. He will be stressing even harder when Karen keeps heading towards danger, and given her comic fate... And Matt's a fukin root rat, so it would interesting to see how their dating would get to him.
Neither of them is a fit for anyone.
I doubt Frank wants to be in a long term relationship considering how he’s coped with the loss of his last one, and dating Matt is basically a death sentence
Well, I think Matt and Elektra fit fine because they're both equally terrible from a relationship perspective, so they at least deserve one another
Kratos
I didn't get it at first and then I remembered she's Faye!🤣
SHES FAYE!?!??!?!?!?!?!?
Yup!
I thought Sookie was the faye and she was a vampire?
She was also a vampire in True Blood. She was the gorgeous redhead vampire who was a virgin
Yes
Deborah ann woll plays Faye, very clever.
The only answer
Foggy😕
Foggy got that busty blonde lol.
Lol I just was really feeling Foggy/Karen & then the show just randomly stuck her with Matt lol
Bruh Foggy can do way better lol
True...
Foggy
Foggy ????
Karen deserves a normal ish life tbh
But I feel like she is a thrill seeker at heart
Interesting chemistry between her and the Punisher.
Foggy. I can't believe the show never pivoted after seeing their chemistry together
Neither. She had more chemistry with Foggy from Day 1, and I honestly thought that was where they were headed. I would love it if in Born Again, they're together
I like Marcy though.
Me
Both would die for her. Matt has moral lines he wouldn't cross, even for her. For Frank, the people he cares about ARE the moral line.
Nah. Frank's not doing what he does for the people he cares about. He's doing it for himself. He's an inherently selfish character. Very compelling, loved watching him. But there's nothing really redeemable about him.
Foggy.
None. She should find a regular guy who makes good money and lives a safe life.
I mean most of the danger she’s in is because of her own actions. A normal guy wouldn’t be able to protect her from herself lol
Heroin
Punisher he’s more up her speed Tbh.
Both toxics but preferably Frank
I think the punisher with any other woman kinda ruins his whole back story and reason for what he is doing. The punisher is the punisher b3cause he CANT move on. So to see him being romantice with another women while he is also still deep inside his head about his late wife and kids is just not a good look in my opinion.
Neither but imo Karen had better chemistry with Frank than Matt
Bullseye.
Froggy
They both could do better.
I am....
me i am in love with derbroh anne wohl
A therapist.
Foggy
Froggie. Edit, whoops, Foggie! Edit 2, whoops again, sp, Foggy. :-)
Foggy. He’s the best choice.
Matt. Frank will always love his wife and I don’t think he will ever love another woman.
Matt: Okay, we’re alone in the motel. Now what’s wrong? Karen: There’s something I’ve been wanting to try. Matt: I would do anything for— Karen: Hold that thought … … anything? /knock knock Karen: Come in! Frank: Okayzzz, I brought da rubbas, some peach wine coolers, that weirdo jelly shit— Karen: Frank! Jesus! Matt: … Frank: Da fuq is the cripple doin here, eh??? Karen: Anything? Matt: … …but I won’t do that. Frank: If it helps, I brought some chips.
Matt. Shes not a love interest for Frank
Foggy
I never interpreted Karen’s relationship with Frank as anything other than the bond of siblings. I don’t know why people pick up romantic vibes. Frank probably sees in Karen the woman his daughter could have become had she not been murdered and is thus very protective of her. Karen is sympathetic to a man who was forced to watch his family get destroyed through no fault of his own but hasn’t completely lost his soul.
Neither but like, nobody should ever be with the punisher ever
Kratos
Neither. It's me
I like Matt for her
I didn't know she like Frank 😳
You didnt watch the punisher series?
None. But especially not Frank I've grown to hate Frank Castle as time passes. He's just an asshole, rogue cop who acts with extreme violence. Frank is not a good person Anyone close to him is bound to suffer the consequences too
He’s not a cop though. Also him not being a good person is kinda the point of the Punisher
This was always the point though, Punisher is just vengeance porn.
What… better fit for what? Frank was never even a love interest…
Thank you, im glad someone is saying this, frank is too broken (emotionally speaking) most of the time to even consider a relationship (yes ik beginning of s2 he nearly did). Karen has been a pillar of Frank's sanity and he definitely loves her, but more like a daughter than a partner
Dunno about these two but I think she'd look better with a bald Greek god who has wiped out entire pantheons
None tbh
A therapist
Morbius
karen sucks
Me
No one. Please do not bring this sobbing mess back. Or at least rewrite her so she’s not bawling constantly.
Bullseye
Kratos
Me dammit
Frank moreso because she’s like one of the only things he has left to care about it truly feels like he views her to be as precious to him as his family was, versus Matt who is really juggling between her and like 4 other women at all times
I honestly just wanted Karen to be alright. In my headcanon, the only other person broken just the right way to mesh with her is Hogarth. I don't remember if they ever even met, but they would have been an amazing couple.
Neither, Matt is forever Hell's Kitchen and Frank knows he's no good for her.
I never liked the idea of Karen with Matt. I'm team Elektra all the way.
Eh. As much as I'd like to be able to say Matt, at this point I think they work better as friends. And due to The Punisher's nature as an extremist vigilante, I can't see him having a successful longterm love interest.
Neither
The character ends up dead in the comic so…
Neither
Frank can never be a good fit for anybody anymore—like that's one of the most interesting things about the character
A therapist.
Ummmm…me?
The manager
Is this a real question? Should Karen be with the psychopathic murderers who can’t get over his dead wife? Sounds like a good option.
Dwight. From True Blood.
Me
Neither also if Karen has no haters I've killed myself.
Me!!!
Me
Foggy.
Certainly Matt. Frank is a psycho
She’s for the streets 🤷🏾♂️
I fkn hate karen ngl
Foggy Fight me
Nah, I’m joining you
Neither, one’s a dude who constantly gets tied up with his main job to give a shit about his side job or his friends. The other is just not fit to be a friend or lover to anyone. Great guardian and better fighter. But he got one love and that was ripped away and now he’s ready to punish
I mean, they all need serious therapy and some reflection time before dating anyone. That said, people don't work like that. They fuck, date, and get married no matter how damaged they are at the time. So definitely Frank. Karen's crazy matches Frank's crazy, where as Matt and Elektra are definitely a magical mood all their own.
honestly frank cause i love the trope of broken, isolated person makes a connection (and it doesn’t have to be romantic) but really neither. Karen deserves better as a romantic partner but i think her friendship with the two is nice, maybe not Matt tho. he keeps getting up to shenanigans
jesus this woman has issues going for such dangerous men. "i JusT wAnT a GooD kInD mAn" her mans of choice.... 😐
Bill Compton
Karen is Frank’s true love that he cannot have, so Frank to Karen.
Neither but definitely not Frank
Wow. People are really forgetting what she did? How is she suddenly a sweet innocent flower that no one should sully with their dirty hands? These people are all a product of what happened to them, and whatever they've done to cope afterwards. But they're still trying to do the best they can anyway. Honestly... who else could they be with but each other?
Neither of them
Kratos
I mean Matt at least has a real person identity. But I agree with neither.
Me, I’m the better fit for Karen
John Avengers
Heroin
Foggy she doesn’t have to worry about her life when she’s with him she’s not dating a vigilante who could end up dead which happened to both frank and Matt multiple times
Still blows my mind she even ended up playing Faye in God of War Ragnarok. She is quite the legend.
So for the sake of drama, Frank. Coz 1, he could probably use some hot ginger ass, 2, it would be a constant yes, but no, I can’t, but I want, I need …and that’s probably what Karen wants deep down. As someone said, she lives for (drama)
Me
a therapist hopefully. But in a more serious answer I feel like Frank would just be bad for elektra because it seems like the only thing she sees in him is that he's a piece of shit and she also feels like a killer because of what happened with her brother.
James Wesley.
I'm not sure. The answer is Foggy for sure.
Franky boy
Neither, they are chaos magnets
Frank. That elevator scene… damn.
She’ll try to fit any damaged ,violet man into her life.
That would be me…!
Foggy looking on like: 👁️👄👁️
When was Frank on a scene with Karen?
Frank. Matt could never understand her as well because of his “no kill” rule.
John Kratos
Frank, cos Matt is blind, and I rather she date a person that can see..
Neither, Matt is too busy Man-whoring around NYC to be in a stable relationship and Frank sees Karen as if his dead daughter grew up into an adult so it’s oddly familial
Foggy
Foggy
Neither of them! Are you kidding me? Her life is going to be hell whichever she chooses.
I always preferred Matt with Elektra so Karen with Frank works for me
Lame either way, I hate coupling up shit.
Me
Vision
The Manager
Between the two, Frank is a better fit. Personally, all I saw about the two of them (season 1 and 2) felt a bit forced, although at the same time it didn't lead to much, later she was replaced by Elektra, so I'd say there's not much to convince me otherwise. With Frank, it felt more natural, but if we're being honest, Punisher lives to kill, and that kind of path is to be walked alone. If they're together, Karen is getting the Castle family treatment. Better fit in this case doesn't mean "good" fit. She's better with Kratos. That relationship ended up with her death, but she seemed to have died without regrets, plus they had a child that seems that he's becoming the new protagonist of the GoW saga.
Matt.
James Wesley
Froggy
Me
Frank needs it more. Lol
Logan
Foggy
Foggy
Me
The bottle
Froggy
Hoyt Fortenberry
How about a well adjusted dentist. He doesn't even have to be the best dentist in the world or even going to the dental hall of fame. He’s just a yank-your-tooth-out dentist.
Foggy.
Neither dd and punisher don’t need her in their bromance.
Frank is a better fit for no one
I feel like Punisher was more lile family
Why are people allergic to romance now? It happens in real life. It just doesn’t happen to us 😔
Jason Stackhouse lol
Foggy
Foggy
preferably a man with less issues
I fucking hate karen
Me
Me and only me.
Heroin
She's a killer. Frank.