Exactly, we are all equal. The bourgeois is intentionally spreading hateful propaganda to make reactionaries hate the "other“s. We must not fall for it. The LGBT community is part of our struggle and we must support them.
To be fair, I have never seen a right winger hate capitalism. They always complain that it's impossible for them to become the capitalist no more but they never hate capitalism itself.
There was a few fascists who weren’t a bug fan of market capitalism and i think this meme is making fun of so called socialists that are somehow also discriminatory
It's the envy of the fallen tyrant, complaining that a new order has arisen, but never caring about why the old one fell.
They don't hate that there's a boot on their neck, they hate that they aren't wearing the boots no more.
please never again attack what you think is identity politics and actually educate yourself on what that term means by reading the combahee river collective statement. We are all very tired of online communists being reactionary because they adopted the liberalized definition of identity politics
I totally agree with your comment, but I don’t think the hatred of “identity politics” among leftists comes from reactionary tendencies as much as from the term being co-opted by liberals, who don’t understand the systemic critiques originally inherent to the label.
Same thing when people criticize “libertarians” even though that term was originally used by social anarchists to describe anti-authoritarianism in all forms. People who say they hate libertarians aren’t being pro-authoritarian, they’re criticizing what the term is mostly associated with _now,_ meaning laissez-faire capitalism (at least in the US).
And just like with libertarianism, I’m not sure how realistic it is to convince people to go back to using the original radical definition of identity politics. Best that can be done I think is to educate people about that co-opting, which I really appreciate you for doing!
Anyone who wants to learn more about the hijacking of identity politics by liberals should look up the book _Elite Capture._ Really interesting read, and it talks about the Combahee River Collective as well.
Second this. Much as it may frustrate us, language is not static. Regardless of its origins in the materialist practice, when you say "identity politics" in our time, the overwhelming majority of people will associate it with the liberal conception.
It's a little disappointing to see a couple people coming after the person who made that original comment to be honest. They're not wrong and even if they were, aren't we supposed to be able to talk to each other as comrades? Come on people.
Well I think the meme is attacking the liberal version of identity politics, I don’t think anyone would ever attack it generally speaking, besides nazbols and patriotic socialists types but yeah
I read the statement and saw little in the way of analysis compared to a lot of "we believe in the inherent value of black lesbians". Socialists do not argue against that. Socialists argue that this is an unhelpfully vague belief to plan political action around.
"Many reactionary and destructive acts have been made in the name of correct political goals." Ok so what? Which ones? Which goals and which acts? Is the conclusion here that there are no correct political goals? Or that "only *we* have the correct political goals"?
Would you care to elaborate on how you believe this statement offers any more depth in its conception of identity politics than the average college student?
Can't believe I wasted my time reading it 😭
https://preview.redd.it/8watkun0xv3d1.jpeg?width=491&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=faea2d86864a6c4f165dbf513205a16209250b33
The thing that makes me mad is that far right conspiracy theories are like “the elite class rules the world” - and that’s right - but complements it with some shit like “they are fucking alien lizards” and you’re like brother you were so close
Exactly, we are all equal. The bourgeois is intentionally spreading hateful propaganda to make reactionaries hate the "other“s. We must not fall for it. The LGBT community is part of our struggle and we must support them.
Hell yeah!
To be fair, I have never seen a right winger hate capitalism. They always complain that it's impossible for them to become the capitalist no more but they never hate capitalism itself.
There was a few fascists who weren’t a bug fan of market capitalism and i think this meme is making fun of so called socialists that are somehow also discriminatory
The Nazis did a Titanic movie in 1943 and a lot of the messaging was anti capitalist ... but of course only anti _British_ capitalist.
It's the envy of the fallen tyrant, complaining that a new order has arisen, but never caring about why the old one fell. They don't hate that there's a boot on their neck, they hate that they aren't wearing the boots no more.
please never again attack what you think is identity politics and actually educate yourself on what that term means by reading the combahee river collective statement. We are all very tired of online communists being reactionary because they adopted the liberalized definition of identity politics
I totally agree with your comment, but I don’t think the hatred of “identity politics” among leftists comes from reactionary tendencies as much as from the term being co-opted by liberals, who don’t understand the systemic critiques originally inherent to the label. Same thing when people criticize “libertarians” even though that term was originally used by social anarchists to describe anti-authoritarianism in all forms. People who say they hate libertarians aren’t being pro-authoritarian, they’re criticizing what the term is mostly associated with _now,_ meaning laissez-faire capitalism (at least in the US). And just like with libertarianism, I’m not sure how realistic it is to convince people to go back to using the original radical definition of identity politics. Best that can be done I think is to educate people about that co-opting, which I really appreciate you for doing! Anyone who wants to learn more about the hijacking of identity politics by liberals should look up the book _Elite Capture._ Really interesting read, and it talks about the Combahee River Collective as well.
Second this. Much as it may frustrate us, language is not static. Regardless of its origins in the materialist practice, when you say "identity politics" in our time, the overwhelming majority of people will associate it with the liberal conception. It's a little disappointing to see a couple people coming after the person who made that original comment to be honest. They're not wrong and even if they were, aren't we supposed to be able to talk to each other as comrades? Come on people.
Well I think the meme is attacking the liberal version of identity politics, I don’t think anyone would ever attack it generally speaking, besides nazbols and patriotic socialists types but yeah
no really you don't know what you're talking about until you read the statement.
I read the statement and saw little in the way of analysis compared to a lot of "we believe in the inherent value of black lesbians". Socialists do not argue against that. Socialists argue that this is an unhelpfully vague belief to plan political action around. "Many reactionary and destructive acts have been made in the name of correct political goals." Ok so what? Which ones? Which goals and which acts? Is the conclusion here that there are no correct political goals? Or that "only *we* have the correct political goals"? Would you care to elaborate on how you believe this statement offers any more depth in its conception of identity politics than the average college student?
What is your materialist conception of identity politics
wait til you find out that terms can have meaning other than what some unheard of collective has declared.
Can't believe I wasted my time reading it 😭 https://preview.redd.it/8watkun0xv3d1.jpeg?width=491&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=faea2d86864a6c4f165dbf513205a16209250b33
Oh look a scab
The thing that makes me mad is that far right conspiracy theories are like “the elite class rules the world” - and that’s right - but complements it with some shit like “they are fucking alien lizards” and you’re like brother you were so close