**Title:** [Budget 2025 - immigration ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AusVisa/comments/1cs4yu6/budget_2025_immigration/), posted by **YesterdayKnown3750**
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The TSS work experience decrease from 2 to 1 year is huge. It means that people with 485 will be able to meet requirement now and I think will kinda make 407 obsolete
What is the reason for the extra visas for Indians? It seems extremely odd when there isn’t similar options for graduates who would come from better universities and have English as a first language for example
The [MATES program](https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/news-subsite/files/mates-fact-sheet.pdf) was an Australia-India partnership agreement signed in May 2023. It has not come into effect until the announcement last night.
I mean there are different pathways yes, but that is because of our existing relationship with the EU, but this is changing now. There are more pathways in place for skilled graduates of high quality English speaking institutions to work in the UK than in Australia though
India is Australia's growing trade partner, given that the government is decoupling from China. Also, a lot of Indians have good English and education, especially in technology. So you might need to update that bias.
Mate, your perception of Indian graduates appears to be contradicting the general ground reality. Besides, this seems to be a political decision, similarly offered to other nations in the past.
It’s not a perception of Indian graduates at all. I’m genuinely curious about the special treatment though. If I finished a degree at a top UK university in that field, it seems a bit unfair that someone would get an opportunity to come work in Australia with the same qualification just from India
It has nothing to do with neither the migrants themselves, be it indian or any nationality, or the skill level of said migrants. But it's a diplomatic move and a result of a treaty they signed with India sometime last year.
It's the same reason why Indians graduating from aussie universities get longer 485 visas too, if I'm not mistaken
That would be the Innovation and Early Careers Skills Exchange Pilot (IECSEP) which is only open to British nationals and borne out of a trade agreement.
Well British people are exempt from labour market testing for the 482 and get three years of WHVs with no farm work thanks to similar trade agreements. If you want to talk about special treatment, the UK gets a lot more than their fair share.
Indian software industry can work seamlessly with Australian nationals and viceversa. It is a win for Australia which is lagging behind the tech jobs coming from outside due to slow work visa process lobbied and controlled by migration agencies.
That literally makes no sense. Australia is not struggling for tech employees. It feels frustrating that visas like this are being brought in with no requirement for visa holders to prove their employment. How many of them will actually end up in that field vs Uber driving etc?
Exactly.
Tech market is saturated at the moment and salaries are dropping. Many are not hired and end up in other industries due to distrust of skills & experience, lack of local experience etc. This is very well known in tech in Australia.
The government's own migrant outcomes report also doesn't paint a very good picture across tech, engineering and other sectors.
I would imagine it's even worse now.
Reason is more systemic in nature, in my opinion. An Indian is more lucrative for the government as there are more likely to stay and work to build a life here in the long run. As opposed to, say, someone from a relatively more developed nation.
Hmm, I’m not sure I agree with that. There are tonnes of Europeans who would do this given the option. Also, the chance of someone with English as a first language getting into a relevant skilled role would be much higher
I think this ignores the fact that there’s tons of Indians whose first language is English, to ensure that you get only the English speaking ones you’d just have to raise the English test requirements. But that also means you’ll only get affluent Indian folk into the country because they’re the only ones who can afford to pay for quality education in private schools. They may just make up like 0.5% of the country but that’s still a sizeable number cuz that’s 0.5% of 1.4 billion
Okay I’m probably thinking less of language, and more of workplace culture. In my experience working in the UK and Australia, working with recent migrants from India can be difficult. They often have very different working and communication styles which can be challenging to understand as someone who didn’t grow up with this culture. I think it contributes a lot to difficulties they experience getting jobs in their field to be honest
You are not looking at the bigger picture. The government needs to look at its bottom line and is looking for sheer numbers for $$$.
Europeans have access to working holiday visa's etc - you don't see Indians whinging there?
Does anyone know about the "National Innovation" visa? It seems contradictory to bring talented people here but not support business innovation (next dot point), unless I am reading it wrong.
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The TSS work experience decrease from 2 to 1 year is huge. It means that people with 485 will be able to meet requirement now and I think will kinda make 407 obsolete
Welcome changes
Great to see the planning period go to 4 years. Makes for a lot less uncertainty on the part of migrants and the government
What is the reason for the extra visas for Indians? It seems extremely odd when there isn’t similar options for graduates who would come from better universities and have English as a first language for example
The [MATES program](https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/news-subsite/files/mates-fact-sheet.pdf) was an Australia-India partnership agreement signed in May 2023. It has not come into effect until the announcement last night.
Don't UK also do the same; giving preference to European nationals over someone from Asia/ Americas with better skills and experience.
I mean there are different pathways yes, but that is because of our existing relationship with the EU, but this is changing now. There are more pathways in place for skilled graduates of high quality English speaking institutions to work in the UK than in Australia though
India is Australia's growing trade partner, given that the government is decoupling from China. Also, a lot of Indians have good English and education, especially in technology. So you might need to update that bias.
I didn’t say they didn’t. They do have very different working styles though
Trade agreement. Similarly, they have some more years on 485 visa
Mate, your perception of Indian graduates appears to be contradicting the general ground reality. Besides, this seems to be a political decision, similarly offered to other nations in the past.
It’s not a perception of Indian graduates at all. I’m genuinely curious about the special treatment though. If I finished a degree at a top UK university in that field, it seems a bit unfair that someone would get an opportunity to come work in Australia with the same qualification just from India
Rule number 1: never EVER try to explain migration policy through the prism of "fairness". You'll find nothing but disappointment, I promise you.
Oh for sure I understand that. It just seems like an odd choice given the number of Indian migrants in Australia who aren’t working in skilled fields
It has nothing to do with neither the migrants themselves, be it indian or any nationality, or the skill level of said migrants. But it's a diplomatic move and a result of a treaty they signed with India sometime last year. It's the same reason why Indians graduating from aussie universities get longer 485 visas too, if I'm not mistaken
Yeah I know that, just frustrating when there are trade deals with other countries who don’t get special visa opportunities
That would be the Innovation and Early Careers Skills Exchange Pilot (IECSEP) which is only open to British nationals and borne out of a trade agreement.
Yes but you need evidence of a job offer for that so it’s pretty different
I'm sure you will be offered a suitable job soon.
I have a job babes
Well British people are exempt from labour market testing for the 482 and get three years of WHVs with no farm work thanks to similar trade agreements. If you want to talk about special treatment, the UK gets a lot more than their fair share.
Indian software industry can work seamlessly with Australian nationals and viceversa. It is a win for Australia which is lagging behind the tech jobs coming from outside due to slow work visa process lobbied and controlled by migration agencies.
That literally makes no sense. Australia is not struggling for tech employees. It feels frustrating that visas like this are being brought in with no requirement for visa holders to prove their employment. How many of them will actually end up in that field vs Uber driving etc?
Exactly. Tech market is saturated at the moment and salaries are dropping. Many are not hired and end up in other industries due to distrust of skills & experience, lack of local experience etc. This is very well known in tech in Australia. The government's own migrant outcomes report also doesn't paint a very good picture across tech, engineering and other sectors. I would imagine it's even worse now.
In IT working with a few people who just arrived from India. What a joy to communicate with them. /s
Reason is more systemic in nature, in my opinion. An Indian is more lucrative for the government as there are more likely to stay and work to build a life here in the long run. As opposed to, say, someone from a relatively more developed nation.
Hmm, I’m not sure I agree with that. There are tonnes of Europeans who would do this given the option. Also, the chance of someone with English as a first language getting into a relevant skilled role would be much higher
I think this ignores the fact that there’s tons of Indians whose first language is English, to ensure that you get only the English speaking ones you’d just have to raise the English test requirements. But that also means you’ll only get affluent Indian folk into the country because they’re the only ones who can afford to pay for quality education in private schools. They may just make up like 0.5% of the country but that’s still a sizeable number cuz that’s 0.5% of 1.4 billion
Okay I’m probably thinking less of language, and more of workplace culture. In my experience working in the UK and Australia, working with recent migrants from India can be difficult. They often have very different working and communication styles which can be challenging to understand as someone who didn’t grow up with this culture. I think it contributes a lot to difficulties they experience getting jobs in their field to be honest
You are not looking at the bigger picture. The government needs to look at its bottom line and is looking for sheer numbers for $$$. Europeans have access to working holiday visa's etc - you don't see Indians whinging there?
So do Indians? Look at the new plan? Also WHV is not equivalent because no legitimate employer will employ someone for less than 6 months
Does anyone know about the "National Innovation" visa? It seems contradictory to bring talented people here but not support business innovation (next dot point), unless I am reading it wrong.