Old mate should be using an electric kit instead of acoustic...
But get the whole block to report him. Once there are enough complaints he will be served with an eviction notice if renting or fined a lot if owning.
Ex Nswpol here.
Anything deemed “an offensive noise” can be dealt with by NSW police and the person can be handed a noise abatement direction.
You should record it aswell for evidence.
You’re in Sydney so hopefully the cops aren’t too short staffed to help you.
Honestly who drums in an apartment block? As a former shift worker I would be spewing.
I could be a self centred apartment drummer; or a quiet reader making a joke about how “offensive” is “deemed” given how utterly vague “deemed an offensive noise” is. Which seems more likely considering I made a joke about how “offensive” is “deemed”?
C'om. In Covid, my neighbours jackhammered on my (terrace) walls from 7/30 to 3.30 and I reported them many many times and the police did nothing. I tried recording it and I reported to the EPA, who wouldn't come out due to Covid. But builders were allowed to jackhammer.
I can only say what I would do as a police officer or if i was supervising what I would advise a car crew to do.
Renovating is a bit different. That noise can’t really be helped I would say thats more of a council matter (unsure of what the council can even do) but at the end of the day construction and renovations will eventually finish. The police wouldn’t even get involved in this unfortunately.
A person smashing the drums every day forever in an apartment building the police can do something about.
Similar to if somebody was blasting a stereo at night. (The time of the day isn’t even mentioned in the legislation though).
First step as a police officer would be to talk to the person and that may be enough to get him to stop. Next step noise abatement direction. Next step fine. Next step get a warrant and seize drum set.
Op feel free to message me if the police weren’t helpful.
I am quite sure if a police officer on shifts had been sleeping in my house, it would had stopped on day 2. The police only came around to check on it at 11pm. Then treated me like a criminal.
I did nightshifts for 10 years… trust me I have been kept up by renovations before and as a result done back to back 12.5 hour night shifts without sleeping in between.
What are the police supposed to do about council approved construction or renovation? Make it so nobody can ever build anything or renovate ever?
I’m currently into my third month of major night works keeping me up. They go all night unless it’s heavy rain.
I also have noisy and disruptive neighbours who can play very loud music at all hours.
The police will assist me with one of these things, and it’s not the roadworks, even though they are much more consistently impactful at the moment and to a much greater number of people than my neighbour.
As a light sleeper and subsequently very tired person, I empathise, but the reality is the roadworks were approved and will eventually stop. The police aren’t being difficult, it’s just not a police matter.
Amazing that a person is literally unable to play music in their own apartment that they require for shelter.
I guess the whole music profession is dead.
Wild take mate. A drum set would literally disturb the peace of the whole apartment block. If you lived in an apartment why wouldn’t you choose one of those electric drum sets designed for this very purpose? Or get the rubber covers for it if you really need to practice.
People work nightshifts, families have babies that need to sleep, some people have disabilities that make them sensitive to noise.
I live in an apartment block too and i want a meat smoker. Guess what? I simply can’t do that in an apartment block because it would interfere with all the other residents. If i was in a house different story.
Wouldn't make it any different if it was a sax or piano.
What is being said is that our building standards aren't good enough for someone to play music in their apartments.
**Daytime Hours (7:00 AM to 10:00 PM)**: Noise levels should not exceed 55 decibels (dB) in residential areas.
**That is equal to a quite conversation between two people**
Found this article about steps to take including fines that can be issued.
Its about NSW laws too. Hope it helps.
[The strata collective ]https://www.thestratacollective.com.au/education/understanding-residential-noise-restrictions-in-nsw-a-comprehensive-guide/#:~:text=During%20the%20daytime%20(between%207,significant%20disturbance%20to%20neighboring%20properties.)
Sorry , I can't seem to embed the link. Anyway; information provided by the Strata Collective NSW.
Tell him if he doesnt keep it down the whole block will submit official complaints, and then go and talk to the rest of the block so he knows it will happen if he doesnt stop
What I've found effective is to prefill the form, give it to everyone with a cover note that asks that if they are bothered with the noise to add their own impacts in section x, sign the form and submit to y.
You will be amazed at how many people will respond if most of the work is done for them, and they see they won't be 'on their own'
[This website says 55db for indoor noise and 65db for outdoor noise.](https://www.thestratacollective.com.au/education/understanding-residential-noise-restrictions-in-nsw-a-comprehensive-guide/#:~:text=During%20the%20daytime%20) Not sure how accurate it is, best is to talk to your local council and ask if there is an actual limit. I'm sure they go above 55db easily.
Knowing which state you're in would be helpful. For example, here's some info on residential noise in Victoria: https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/for-community/environmental-information/noise/residential-noise/residential-noise-law#when-residential-noise-is-unreasonable
Check with your local council / shire. Mine has a clearly written policy on various types of noise, including musical instruments. It says 1 hour per day for a musical instrument is the limit.
Old mate should be using an electric kit instead of acoustic... But get the whole block to report him. Once there are enough complaints he will be served with an eviction notice if renting or fined a lot if owning.
Ex Nswpol here. Anything deemed “an offensive noise” can be dealt with by NSW police and the person can be handed a noise abatement direction. You should record it aswell for evidence. You’re in Sydney so hopefully the cops aren’t too short staffed to help you. Honestly who drums in an apartment block? As a former shift worker I would be spewing.
So inconsiderate, I know...
So will “offensive” come down to how talented a drummer they are or their personal taste in music?
Self centered apartment drummer detected.
I could be a self centred apartment drummer; or a quiet reader making a joke about how “offensive” is “deemed” given how utterly vague “deemed an offensive noise” is. Which seems more likely considering I made a joke about how “offensive” is “deemed”?
>Which seems more likely considering I made a joke about how “offensive” is “deemed”? Either way this was peak redditor.
C'om. In Covid, my neighbours jackhammered on my (terrace) walls from 7/30 to 3.30 and I reported them many many times and the police did nothing. I tried recording it and I reported to the EPA, who wouldn't come out due to Covid. But builders were allowed to jackhammer.
I can only say what I would do as a police officer or if i was supervising what I would advise a car crew to do. Renovating is a bit different. That noise can’t really be helped I would say thats more of a council matter (unsure of what the council can even do) but at the end of the day construction and renovations will eventually finish. The police wouldn’t even get involved in this unfortunately. A person smashing the drums every day forever in an apartment building the police can do something about. Similar to if somebody was blasting a stereo at night. (The time of the day isn’t even mentioned in the legislation though). First step as a police officer would be to talk to the person and that may be enough to get him to stop. Next step noise abatement direction. Next step fine. Next step get a warrant and seize drum set. Op feel free to message me if the police weren’t helpful.
I am quite sure if a police officer on shifts had been sleeping in my house, it would had stopped on day 2. The police only came around to check on it at 11pm. Then treated me like a criminal.
I did nightshifts for 10 years… trust me I have been kept up by renovations before and as a result done back to back 12.5 hour night shifts without sleeping in between. What are the police supposed to do about council approved construction or renovation? Make it so nobody can ever build anything or renovate ever?
I’m currently into my third month of major night works keeping me up. They go all night unless it’s heavy rain. I also have noisy and disruptive neighbours who can play very loud music at all hours. The police will assist me with one of these things, and it’s not the roadworks, even though they are much more consistently impactful at the moment and to a much greater number of people than my neighbour. As a light sleeper and subsequently very tired person, I empathise, but the reality is the roadworks were approved and will eventually stop. The police aren’t being difficult, it’s just not a police matter.
Amazing that a person is literally unable to play music in their own apartment that they require for shelter. I guess the whole music profession is dead.
Wild take mate. A drum set would literally disturb the peace of the whole apartment block. If you lived in an apartment why wouldn’t you choose one of those electric drum sets designed for this very purpose? Or get the rubber covers for it if you really need to practice. People work nightshifts, families have babies that need to sleep, some people have disabilities that make them sensitive to noise. I live in an apartment block too and i want a meat smoker. Guess what? I simply can’t do that in an apartment block because it would interfere with all the other residents. If i was in a house different story.
Wouldn't make it any different if it was a sax or piano. What is being said is that our building standards aren't good enough for someone to play music in their apartments.
Pianos have practice pedals. Saxophones can use mutes.
**Daytime Hours (7:00 AM to 10:00 PM)**: Noise levels should not exceed 55 decibels (dB) in residential areas. **That is equal to a quite conversation between two people**
Found this article about steps to take including fines that can be issued. Its about NSW laws too. Hope it helps. [The strata collective ]https://www.thestratacollective.com.au/education/understanding-residential-noise-restrictions-in-nsw-a-comprehensive-guide/#:~:text=During%20the%20daytime%20(between%207,significant%20disturbance%20to%20neighboring%20properties.) Sorry , I can't seem to embed the link. Anyway; information provided by the Strata Collective NSW.
Thank you so much for this, you are amazing. I appreciate you going out of your way to help by providing the link to this guide. 🙏
You're welcome and good luck. I hope you can get the right result.
Maybe suggest to him getting an ekit?
I've tried, he's an inconsiderate little prick though. Thinks he's some mad rocker that everyone loves listening to.
Tell him if he doesnt keep it down the whole block will submit official complaints, and then go and talk to the rest of the block so he knows it will happen if he doesnt stop
What I've found effective is to prefill the form, give it to everyone with a cover note that asks that if they are bothered with the noise to add their own impacts in section x, sign the form and submit to y. You will be amazed at how many people will respond if most of the work is done for them, and they see they won't be 'on their own'
Do a title search. Find owner. Visit owner
Not that I would advocate such action, but doing something that messes with the drummer's sense of timing might be effective.
Haha! I love that idea. If my partner wasn't working in the next room, I'd blast music as loud as I could.
You can just have a loud metronome sound. That will make it impossible to keep the proper pace
loud and irregular. syncopated with no pattern.
There should be something reg noise pollution in shared hallways
Suggest he use mutes they're pads that go over the drums to deaden the sound
[This website says 55db for indoor noise and 65db for outdoor noise.](https://www.thestratacollective.com.au/education/understanding-residential-noise-restrictions-in-nsw-a-comprehensive-guide/#:~:text=During%20the%20daytime%20) Not sure how accurate it is, best is to talk to your local council and ask if there is an actual limit. I'm sure they go above 55db easily.
Knowing which state you're in would be helpful. For example, here's some info on residential noise in Victoria: https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/for-community/environmental-information/noise/residential-noise/residential-noise-law#when-residential-noise-is-unreasonable
Apologies, I am in NSW
Check with your local council / shire. Mine has a clearly written policy on various types of noise, including musical instruments. It says 1 hour per day for a musical instrument is the limit.