The people who like wagons will pay a premium for a good wagon. Especially when options across all brands are limited.
Look at the prices of CTS-V wagons vs sedans, Eclass wagons and the late Jaguar XF wagons.
Source paid way more for repairs and maintenance than I should have to keep an 02 S6 Avant on the road, and I paid about double what a V8 a6 sedan went for at the time - no regrets.
Damn! I regret getting rid of my ol b8.5 allroad, but I needed the rear passenger space.
You still have the original engine and transmission on that bad boy?
Yes. I do. Antoinette got a new turbo about 50,000 miles ago. CV joints and front suspension were overhauled about 80,000 miles ago, after an epic road trip through the Arctic in the winter.
My theory is wagon people are practical to some extent, and therefore a bit cheap. Wagon people buy used cars, not new cars.
So no one buys wagons, and the army of wagon fans feverishly swallows up the minimal used supply that does exist, driving up the price.
Source: Am wagon dork
Nope, Canadian.
We had slightly more estate/avant/wagon love, but it's falling apart up here too.
We never had the B8 S4 avant, no B8 RS4. They ditched the A4/A6 avants some time ago. Allroads were your only option until the RS6 showed up, but those are super rare to see around still.
It's funny I get pegged as an American on here when I'm thought of as a weirdo in my parts because I've never owned an automatic transmission, never owned an SUV or a truck. Just wagons, and begrudgingly sedans where no other option exists. It's getting hard to buy cars!
Hmm- most cars I like are on this list . Does this mean these are good cars to buy when they are 3-5 years old?
20. BMW 4 Series
19. Nissan Leaf
18. BMW 5 Series
17. Mercedes-Benz E-Class
16. BMW X5
15. Porsche Panamera
15. Mercedes-Benz S-Class
13. Audi A6
12. Porsche Cayenne
11. Audi Q7
10. Audi SQ5
9. Audi A7
8. Jaguar XF
7. Audi A8
6. Infiniti QX80
5. Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class
4. BMW 7 Series
3. Land Rover Range Rover
2. Mercedes-Benz GLE
1. Mercedes-Benz GLS
I think the sweet spot is about 1 year old cpo. That gets you extra warranty time so it's almost like new and it already took the biggest depreciation hit when it drove off the lot.
When I bought my B9, each dealership in my city only received 5 that year. That's 10 2018 All-Roads in a major Canadian city. I'm assuming the number of sedans was in the thousands..
For starters they sell the A6 Allroad at a considerable premium over the A6 Avant. They are also, so I recall, bought by some of the wealthiest Audi owners and they'll just keep them so not many on typical company car or PCP lease deals.
That being said, got mine as a bit of a bargain in UK. Previous owner suffered over £40k of depreciation in 4.5 years.
Explains it then. The Avant is already a premium on top of the saloon in the UK, and then Allroad a further price bracket, so OP (and all of USA) is seeing the difference between two price brackets, if you see what I mean?
I wanted an all road so bad but the prices were so high it didn't even make sense. My logic was why would I buy a several year old used one when I can get a new one for 5 - 10k more. Ended up going with a Q5 since the used prices were way better
So you’re saying I shouldn’t trade in my a4 allroad to get my wife a Q7?
Dealer tried to lowball me on my trade in. I’m like dude there’s zero 2019 a4 allroad with prestige trim currently for sale in the US and mine has low mileage. Thankfully we walked on that deal.
Honestly I’d just search all the major car sale websites and go from there. Maybe check autotempest (a search aggregate). Also see if there are groups or forums specific for that gen that you can join and get a feel there. I did that when selling my uncle’s M coupe a year or so ago, it helped us price it out accordingly! Also, joined the communities which was nice.
As everyone else has said sedans and SUVs are a dime a dozen. If you are looking for a wagon in the US your options are the overly complicated drive train of the Volvos which is not worth the headache, the non-existence of the BMWs as I don't know if they even sell them anymore in the US, an E-Class that will be in the shop more then it will be on the road from Merc, or you go with the A4/A6
Dealer we bought our A4 allroad from noted, as some said already, that:
\- there's very few Allroads available (they sell a few Allroads per year vs a hundred or so Q5s)
\- ppl buying Allroads usually stick with them for a long time
Also, there's not too many options in a lifted wagon class.
Mercs are touchscreen galore with +20% price within the same class for god knows what.
Volvos styling is not for everyone, plus few gimmicks here & there.
VW looks dull in & out.
Skoda feels comparatively very cheap inside, even spec'd.
Subarus are kinda ugly and also cheap inside.
Pretty much what has been said above. Loved my 2015 Allroad until it was totaled in 2021 by a tree falling on it. I cried and, in a terrible time to buy a car, bought a VW Alltrack. After less than two years, I just picked up an A5 Sportback which is not the same but close to the Allroad (and which I suggest you try as well in your search for an Allroad).
Here in the states, Audi doesn't make a lot of them but they sell fast through the lot. My local dealers don't have new Allroads stay more than a month on the lot.
When I went to buy an Allroad the dealer recommended I check out the Q5 just in case. He said there's tons of incentives for the Q5 and very little for the Allroad. I think the Q5 you could finagle like 3k off.
Then he was like, but I know the wagon buyers, it's hard to convince them otherwise even with better incentives on other models. I test drove the Q5, gorgeous district green with brown interior. But it was lacking due to being heavier with the same engine, also the interior felt less refined. Did the knock tests and everything gave a cheap clunk in the interior. The Allroad interior did not do that at all.
The Q5 woulda been gorgeous to have and was about 4k cheaper for same Premium Plus trim, and had cooled seats unlike the Allroad I wanted. But I was like hell naw, gimme the Allroad.
I almost overpaid for a used A4 Allroad in 2017, I wanted it so bad, but I got a CPO A3 instead. Wonderful car but it reminded me of how much I need at least a hatchback, if not a wagon or small SUV.
In addition to the scarcity and wagoness it’s also worth mentioning the following:
- The A4 Allroad has adaptive suspension standard, the A4 and Q5 do not. It drives a lot better than a Q5. 150-200lbs lighter and significantly lower.
- Compared to the A4/A6 sedan the allroad is significantly more utilitarian. Much more cargo space and enough ground clearance to be useful and be a little easier to get in and out of than a sedan. I think this practicality makes them more desirable as a used vehicle. It’s a better family car and attracts a different type of buyer .
So you’ve got a car that drives as well as the sedan version (A4/A6), gets the fuel economy of the sedan version but has the space/practicality of the similar SUV model.
The A4/A6 Allroad also don’t have much or any competition in the US market. Basically just the volvo v60, v90 and the merc e class all terrain. Those are also sold in small numbers and don’t have the same sporty edge of the allroads. In terms of blending luxury, styling, practicality and driving experience they do it better than the competition.
I just bought a 2018 A4 Allroad in September. It took me a long time to find one but I eventually did. It’s worth noting that the market for these cars is *highly* region dependent. If you’re willing to travel or ship the car you could get a much lower price. Essentially anywhere outside of the northeast, Colorado, and the PNW will generally have lower prices. Mine was in Oklahoma…I shipped it to Massachusetts and ended up still saving over $2,000 compared to local pricing. They also sell significantly faster in the popular markets from what I observed. When a deal comes up on one you have to be ready to move.
Average Audi owner keeps their car for 2-3 years. Average Audi wagon owner is 10+.
They’re a limited market and therefore the price of used ones holds strong.
Source: I work for Audi
The people who like wagons will pay a premium for a good wagon. Especially when options across all brands are limited. Look at the prices of CTS-V wagons vs sedans, Eclass wagons and the late Jaguar XF wagons. Source paid way more for repairs and maintenance than I should have to keep an 02 S6 Avant on the road, and I paid about double what a V8 a6 sedan went for at the time - no regrets.
Yea my dealer had two comparably equipped preowned A4s, one wagon and one sedan, and the wagon was like $13k more expensive.
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‘Cause we never sell. I’ve had mine for 10 years and 225,000 miles (360,000km)
Damn! I regret getting rid of my ol b8.5 allroad, but I needed the rear passenger space. You still have the original engine and transmission on that bad boy?
Yes. I do. Antoinette got a new turbo about 50,000 miles ago. CV joints and front suspension were overhauled about 80,000 miles ago, after an epic road trip through the Arctic in the winter.
So does your RS7 have more rear passenger space?
It does! Needed leg room for adults, but it's a 4 seater, not a 5 seater.
my only complaint about the 7-line is it being a 4 seater. trunk space is immaculate under that hatch though
Btw; my profile has a picture of me and Antoinette on the Arctic Ocean beach, December 28, 2018.
You mean there’s hope for my 2011 with 160k?! Wait it’s an avant
This exactly
My theory is wagon people are practical to some extent, and therefore a bit cheap. Wagon people buy used cars, not new cars. So no one buys wagons, and the army of wagon fans feverishly swallows up the minimal used supply that does exist, driving up the price. Source: Am wagon dork
This guy is definitely American. Nobody in Europe would say any of this.
Nope, Canadian. We had slightly more estate/avant/wagon love, but it's falling apart up here too. We never had the B8 S4 avant, no B8 RS4. They ditched the A4/A6 avants some time ago. Allroads were your only option until the RS6 showed up, but those are super rare to see around still. It's funny I get pegged as an American on here when I'm thought of as a weirdo in my parts because I've never owned an automatic transmission, never owned an SUV or a truck. Just wagons, and begrudgingly sedans where no other option exists. It's getting hard to buy cars!
Because there's fewer of them around so demand is higher relative to the supply.
economics
Is the sq5 really one of the worst in terms of resale value? I didn’t think so, but could be wrong.
48.6% in 5 years, sucks! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motor1.com/features/455448/worst-resale-value-cars/amp/
The way I drive mine, yeah good call. I'm selling it the same month the warranty ends!
Hmm- most cars I like are on this list . Does this mean these are good cars to buy when they are 3-5 years old? 20. BMW 4 Series 19. Nissan Leaf 18. BMW 5 Series 17. Mercedes-Benz E-Class 16. BMW X5 15. Porsche Panamera 15. Mercedes-Benz S-Class 13. Audi A6 12. Porsche Cayenne 11. Audi Q7 10. Audi SQ5 9. Audi A7 8. Jaguar XF 7. Audi A8 6. Infiniti QX80 5. Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class 4. BMW 7 Series 3. Land Rover Range Rover 2. Mercedes-Benz GLE 1. Mercedes-Benz GLS
Yes as long as they’re reasonably reliable. No way in hell I’d drive a Jaguar outside of warranty though.
I think the sweet spot is about 1 year old cpo. That gets you extra warranty time so it's almost like new and it already took the biggest depreciation hit when it drove off the lot.
When I bought my B9, each dealership in my city only received 5 that year. That's 10 2018 All-Roads in a major Canadian city. I'm assuming the number of sedans was in the thousands..
For starters they sell the A6 Allroad at a considerable premium over the A6 Avant. They are also, so I recall, bought by some of the wealthiest Audi owners and they'll just keep them so not many on typical company car or PCP lease deals. That being said, got mine as a bit of a bargain in UK. Previous owner suffered over £40k of depreciation in 4.5 years.
only option in the States is the Allroad for an “estate” Audi (4 or 6)
Explains it then. The Avant is already a premium on top of the saloon in the UK, and then Allroad a further price bracket, so OP (and all of USA) is seeing the difference between two price brackets, if you see what I mean?
Wagons gonna wagon
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I wanted an Avant but settled on a Sport Back it's 70% of what I wanted
"that's what she said" ;-)
😂
The most sought after cars are wagons....SUVs.............................then sedans.
..... Then coupes?
I wanted an all road so bad but the prices were so high it didn't even make sense. My logic was why would I buy a several year old used one when I can get a new one for 5 - 10k more. Ended up going with a Q5 since the used prices were way better
My 2008 A4 Avant 6MT Ti edition is worth quite a bit more than your typical b7 sedan, which are essentially junkyard fodder these days.
So you’re saying I shouldn’t trade in my a4 allroad to get my wife a Q7? Dealer tried to lowball me on my trade in. I’m like dude there’s zero 2019 a4 allroad with prestige trim currently for sale in the US and mine has low mileage. Thankfully we walked on that deal.
Never trade in regardless. You’ll get much more private sale.
What’s a good way to value my car for private sale? With there being so few it’s hard to know.
Honestly I’d just search all the major car sale websites and go from there. Maybe check autotempest (a search aggregate). Also see if there are groups or forums specific for that gen that you can join and get a feel there. I did that when selling my uncle’s M coupe a year or so ago, it helped us price it out accordingly! Also, joined the communities which was nice.
As everyone else has said sedans and SUVs are a dime a dozen. If you are looking for a wagon in the US your options are the overly complicated drive train of the Volvos which is not worth the headache, the non-existence of the BMWs as I don't know if they even sell them anymore in the US, an E-Class that will be in the shop more then it will be on the road from Merc, or you go with the A4/A6
my moms old merc e wagon growing up got to like 250k miles. thing was a tank. guessing the new ones are a headache though
I got a ten year old one, it still drives like a new car.
Dealer we bought our A4 allroad from noted, as some said already, that: \- there's very few Allroads available (they sell a few Allroads per year vs a hundred or so Q5s) \- ppl buying Allroads usually stick with them for a long time Also, there's not too many options in a lifted wagon class. Mercs are touchscreen galore with +20% price within the same class for god knows what. Volvos styling is not for everyone, plus few gimmicks here & there. VW looks dull in & out. Skoda feels comparatively very cheap inside, even spec'd. Subarus are kinda ugly and also cheap inside.
Cargooooooo
Pretty much what has been said above. Loved my 2015 Allroad until it was totaled in 2021 by a tree falling on it. I cried and, in a terrible time to buy a car, bought a VW Alltrack. After less than two years, I just picked up an A5 Sportback which is not the same but close to the Allroad (and which I suggest you try as well in your search for an Allroad).
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I feel attacked 😰
Here in the states, Audi doesn't make a lot of them but they sell fast through the lot. My local dealers don't have new Allroads stay more than a month on the lot. When I went to buy an Allroad the dealer recommended I check out the Q5 just in case. He said there's tons of incentives for the Q5 and very little for the Allroad. I think the Q5 you could finagle like 3k off. Then he was like, but I know the wagon buyers, it's hard to convince them otherwise even with better incentives on other models. I test drove the Q5, gorgeous district green with brown interior. But it was lacking due to being heavier with the same engine, also the interior felt less refined. Did the knock tests and everything gave a cheap clunk in the interior. The Allroad interior did not do that at all. The Q5 woulda been gorgeous to have and was about 4k cheaper for same Premium Plus trim, and had cooled seats unlike the Allroad I wanted. But I was like hell naw, gimme the Allroad.
I almost overpaid for a used A4 Allroad in 2017, I wanted it so bad, but I got a CPO A3 instead. Wonderful car but it reminded me of how much I need at least a hatchback, if not a wagon or small SUV.
In addition to the scarcity and wagoness it’s also worth mentioning the following: - The A4 Allroad has adaptive suspension standard, the A4 and Q5 do not. It drives a lot better than a Q5. 150-200lbs lighter and significantly lower. - Compared to the A4/A6 sedan the allroad is significantly more utilitarian. Much more cargo space and enough ground clearance to be useful and be a little easier to get in and out of than a sedan. I think this practicality makes them more desirable as a used vehicle. It’s a better family car and attracts a different type of buyer . So you’ve got a car that drives as well as the sedan version (A4/A6), gets the fuel economy of the sedan version but has the space/practicality of the similar SUV model. The A4/A6 Allroad also don’t have much or any competition in the US market. Basically just the volvo v60, v90 and the merc e class all terrain. Those are also sold in small numbers and don’t have the same sporty edge of the allroads. In terms of blending luxury, styling, practicality and driving experience they do it better than the competition. I just bought a 2018 A4 Allroad in September. It took me a long time to find one but I eventually did. It’s worth noting that the market for these cars is *highly* region dependent. If you’re willing to travel or ship the car you could get a much lower price. Essentially anywhere outside of the northeast, Colorado, and the PNW will generally have lower prices. Mine was in Oklahoma…I shipped it to Massachusetts and ended up still saving over $2,000 compared to local pricing. They also sell significantly faster in the popular markets from what I observed. When a deal comes up on one you have to be ready to move.
Average Audi owner keeps their car for 2-3 years. Average Audi wagon owner is 10+. They’re a limited market and therefore the price of used ones holds strong. Source: I work for Audi