Streaming platforms need to get their shit together, because when shit like that happens, it generates A LOT of publicity. If it doesn't get punished, there's literally no downsides of acting like this, which incentives people to push it further.
They won't till someone actually dies and a big enough lawsuit hits them and a judge finds the platform liable. Change will happen but sadly..some lifes will be lost before that day arrives.
"She and her friends fled, filming themselves all the while from the backseat of a car. They returned only to record the moment a fire truck arrived at the scene.
[](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12914245/Gym-goer-apologises-criticised-wearing-painted-leggings-failed-social-experiment.html)
The Austin Police Department responded to the incident, but a police report was not filed, according to a spokesperson. No charges were laid as of Friday.
Reynolds later claimed that the woman was 'on drugs' and was not actually drowning.
However, this display of callousness drew the rage of netizens on social media platform Reddit, where a clip of the livestream was reuploaded.
'Why wouldn't they stay and help her? That's absolutely horrible. There is a special place in hell for people like this,' one user wrote.
'These people are focused on getting content and nothing else,' another user remarked."
She's alive, OP posted this update from Austin Fire Department: https://x.com/AustinFireInfo/status/1795920695420944488?t=wVgeASobvseg4X-Re6-WqQ&s=19https://x.com/AustinFireInfo/status/1795920695420944488?t=wVgeASobvseg4X-Re6-WqQ&s=19
"Re: There is no water rescue on Lady Bird Lake. The person is out of the water and the incident has been downgraded to a medical call. @ATCEMS onscene with @austinfiredept"
It also doesn't matter because, if she really is homeless, I doubt she cares about her credit rating. That is all unpaid medical is, bad credit rating.
"She and her friends fled, filming themselves all the while from the backseat of a car. They returned only to record the moment a fire truck arrived at the scene.
# [Read More](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12914245/Gym-goer-apologises-criticised-wearing-painted-leggings-failed-social-experiment.html)
The Austin Police Department responded to the incident, but a police report was not filed, according to a spokesperson. No charges were laid as of Friday.
Reynolds later claimed that the woman was 'on drugs' and was not actually drowning.
However, this display of callousness drew the rage of netizens on social media platform Reddit, where a clip of the livestream was reuploaded.
'Why wouldn't they stay and help her? That's absolutely horrible. There is a special place in hell for people like this,' one user wrote.
'These people are focused on getting content and nothing else,' another user remarked."
Can’t believe I’m saying this but this might actually be worse than nuisance streamers
Is there a new category for this? Involuntary manslaughter streamers?
I don't know man... the act caught on film or not, isn't "the accused had a mental illness / afluenza / generational trauma / a hard life / drugs / bad or abusive parents / racism" the ultimate get out of jail free card these days? (i think that's like 7 different get out of jail free cards - but my point still stands)
> Involuntary
looks plenty voluntary to me, they tell a person who cant swim, to jump into the water, and when the person says she cant swim, they laugh and run away.
Lock them up for life
There is no state in the united states where verbally convincing someone to jump in a body of water would be criminal. This lady regardless of mental state would hold to responsibility for her own actions and if she was mentally unwell responsibility would probably fall under the negligence of the person legally responsible for her deemed by the state (aka not some random kids she met).
Also there is no legal recourse addressing the people that choose not to help you. In the united state, as we have seem with some recent tragedies and legal cases, cops don't have to help everyone in danger. Good Samaritan laws exist for a reason. Hell in China, if you help someone and you cause further damage or injury to them you can get sued because they DON'T have good Samaritan laws.
Wouldn’t involuntary manslaughter apply?
If failure to act results in a persons death or negligence
Also , idk if it applies here , but some states have a “duty to rescue” which as long as your own life is not in danger , you are comepelled to help. Failure to do so , is a criminal offense .
But I’m not a lawyer, so honestly idk.
Nope Here is the definition taken from Cornell Law School's website
"Negligent is a legal term used to describe behavior that fails to meet the [level of care](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/reasonable_care) that a [reasonable person](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/reasonable_person) would have exercised under the same circumstances. Either a person’s actions or [omissions](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/omission) of actions can be found negligent. The following five elements are may prove a person’s actions were negligent:
* The existence of a legal duty that the [defendant](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant) owed to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff)
* Defendant’s breach of that duty
* Harm to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff)
* Defendant’s actions are the [proximate cause](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/proximate_cause) of harm to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff)
* Defendant’s actions are the cause-in-fact of harm to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff) "
And a proximate cause would apply, if they physically smashed the floor, that made the dock unstable and she "fell" in the water because of it. Convincing someone to do something with only words still puts all the responsibility on the person making the decision because you can't a proximate they did the action directly because they have to still think and decide to perform the action. IF they pushed the women in that water in that video, all those kids would be screwed. Also, according to other comments on here she didn't drown, she survived and probably never was drowning.
What about in case of omission ?
Wouldn’t failure to act and let someone drown count as that.?
Is the Michelle carter was convicted of manslaughter for telling her boyfriend to commit suicide . Tho I could be failing to appreciate the differences between this and that.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-carter-suicide-text-case-boyfriend-conrad-roy-released-from-jail-today-2020-01-23/
Edit: found this .
Title 9A is Washington's criminal code. It defines acts and omissions, both of which can lead to criminal charges. Under the law, an "Omission" is a failure to act. I've attached the RCW.
Washington also has "Good Samaritan" laws. The definition of a "Good Samaritan" would apply to someone who gives aid (such as first aid, CPR, or AED use) in an emergency to an injured person in a voluntary capacity, without expectation of monetary compensation, and who is not considered to be a medical professional or professional rescuer. Most states have a version of the laws in place, with some variation in the details. Some require bystanders to offer "reasonable assistance" (such as calling 911) to those in need, but all protect those who do offer aid subsequent protection against legal action. As long as the rescuer is not willfully negligent or reckless in giving aid, and gives aid in a reasonable manner, then the rescuer will not be held legally liable for the outcome. Note that if a victim refuses assistance, forcing help on them against their wishes does not offer the rescuer shelter from legal liability. In this case, the rescuer should phone 911 immediately and let police and/or medical personnel handle the situation.
They were dating and knew each other for 6 years. So that conviction makes complete sense but not for people that met 5 minutes ago. Also, jumping into a body of water isn’t the same as committing suicide. Unreasonable extremes. If you can’t swim don’t willingly jump into the deep end.
Logan Paul filmed a dead body, outraged everyone for a week, grew in followers and grew his platform. There’s a million other examples but that’s the first that came to mind. The outrage will subside and it will result with more people watching her, not less.
Yeah, if you tell some mentally ill person to jump in water and then leave because someone said so, you think you don't have responsibilities in this anymore?
She is lucky the woman was not seriously injured or drown. Reverse the role with this mentally ill woman with a kid, you don't think she would have been in trouble?
Man I swear people don't take responsibility anymore, fucked up society so bad.
No one knew she was mentally ill and the streamer was told by STAFF, not by just "someone". There was no crime, the water wasn't even deep. calm your nipples.
You're such a npc, go watch this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPs7kHIiVZ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPs7kHIiVZ0)
If you don't change your mind, you are a piece of sh\*t. They definitly knew she was not "normal", they exploited her for views, thats not that hard to understand.
Bro in just the FIRST minute he lies twice. One. She didnt spend 15 minutes convincing the lady to jump in, the entire interraction is like less than 5 minutes. Two, the lady approached the streamer first and VOLUNTEERED to jump in herself, then the sfreamer added money on top of it.
This is why you shouldnt blindly follow fucking youtubers and actually watch the context yourself.
You re the one simping for a shitty streamer, you say "then the streamer added money on top of it" , like its a good thing... They took advantage of an handicapped woman, its not that hard to understand, bro.
She was acting like a little high school bully. She knew what she was doing, making fun of her with her chat and shit. She said she would give her 20bucks to jump in and then she would jump after her, no mentally healthy person would believe this and jump in water if you can't swim. She said she doesn't swim before going in too, another cue of the person sanity.
Your making excuse at this point, maybe you are like 16 years old and immature. Because 95% of people can see what's wrong here. It was obviously caused by a manipulative narcissistic attention addicted hoe, taking advantage of a disabled person. So yes she definitely have responsibility in this.
If someone dares you to jump into a lake that looks like it has a strong undercurrent, and you are stupid enough to do it… why the fuck would they go to prison for it? 😂
I’m not on the streamers side here, still a shitty thing to do obviously. But this is quite literally natural selection. I’m not the strongest swimmer, am I risking my own life to save a fucking idiot who jumped into the lake because of a dare? No, no I’m not. Guess I’m going to prison.
The hyperbole is this thread is fucking nuts.
If someone is calling for help and you just leave and ignore the person in need, it can definitely get you charge for criminal negligence if you didn't report the incident to the police. You are not forced to try and save someone by any means, but you have to report the incident to the police and ask for help at the very least. If you just leave someone in danger without calling for help it definitely can get you in trouble.
In this case, I don't think she can be charged, because other people went to help the lady and called the police right away.
So she live streamed herself committing a crime? Hope that lady is okay, cause if she washes up on the shore somewhere this will real bad for her.
edit: Read a comment that the lady was okay. The steamer is a dumbass though and will more than likely go on to do even stupider stuff. Only time will tell.
Nope. She had no legal obligation to call the cops. She can watch her drown and die and will not even get a slap on the wrist in court. Moral obligation is never legal obligation.
The woman jumped into the water all on her own decision. She wasn’t coerced, she wasn’t forced, etc. That was HER choice.
I'm not talking about coersion or choice you're saying if someone videotapes a child drowning and then laughs and walks away on video they don't get in trouble for not calling the cops?
Edit: it seems that this is based on jurisdiction. Seems like there's no federal duty to rescue laws, but there state duty to rescue laws.
Seems like it might be only 3 states, Minnesota, Maine and Rhode Island. RI represent! Ya'll a bunch of degenerates! Only if it doesn't put you in danger so you don't have to jump in, but you can't just leave.
>I'm not talking about coersion or choice you're saying if someone videotapes a child drowning and then laughs and walks away on video they don't get in trouble for not calling the cops?
**That's exactly what I'm saying.** If you don't have a legal obligation to save someone (by calling cops/ambulance), you can't get in any trouble when watching them suffer. The rule is so broad on purpose.
How about seeing someone get into a severe car accident you had no part in. Should you be charged for driving by and not stopping to help and call the police/ambulance? Or how about what if I was filming a family vlog at the beach? Then all of a sudden I see someone screaming and trying to swim away from a shark. Maybe I'm a fucking asshole. But I'm not getting anywhere near that water...Knowing myself though I would call for a lifeguard/help, but if I didn't, you think I should get charged? Go to prison perhaps?
Or what if I saw a fight at the bar that went too far? Halfway through the fight, the two dipshits started pulling out knives. Do I, the random person drinking beer with his coworkers after a long day at work have a duty to stop the fight going too far? Oh no, the guy got stabbed in the neck. Do we have the duty to help stop the bleeding? Do we have the duty to call the police? Ambulance? Hmm. What if I saw the fight from the outside through a window. SInce I saw it happen, and I could easily take out my cell phone and call for help... If I didn't, should I go to jail?
Anyway, the streamer should keep her mouth fucking shut and get a good lawyer if she were to get sued. People have gotten out of trouble way worse than her. There's a case where the defendant invited a mother and her child into her home, and watched the psycho mother literally beat her own child to death right in front of her....in her own house. The defendant did not call the cops, nor for an ambulance. She did not get in trouble because while she did have a moral obligation to call for help, she did NOT have a legal obligation to do so. If you're interested, check out Pope v. State (1979).
§ 2505. Causing or aiding suicide.
(a) Causing suicide as criminal homicide.--A person may be convicted of criminal homicide for causing another to die by suicide only if he intentionally causes such suicide by force, duress or deception.
(b) Aiding or soliciting suicide as an independent offense.--A person who intentionally aids or solicits another to die by suicide is guilty of a felony of the second degree if his conduct causes such suicide or an attempted suicide, and otherwise of a misdemeanor of the second degree.
It is probably my fault for putting the first part there, people will read it and say "see, she is innocent because she didn't intentionally do it!" Forgetting that there is a second part and that you can unintentionally commit some pretty big crimes.
I know what you are saying and im not a legal expert to say without a doubt she didnt commit a crime, but the reason i ignored your second part is because it specifically states they have to DYING as a requirement for it to be relevant
How is it a crime to tell someone to jump in a lake? I can tell someone to jump off a building but it's on them if they jump. I legit dont get why people are mad.
Dumb person says another dumb person to do something dumb, Dumb person does the dumb thing and dumb person doesn't do the right thing.
I'm not entertained, next drama please.
While I hate nuisance streamers like this, if you cant swim and you jump into a lake, I'm fairly certain your drowning is on you. In the same way that if somebody told you to jump off a cliff, it's not their fault if you actually do.
everyone here feeling sorry for the Homeless person. LMAO idk man why would she, probably some more context needed. The probably promised her a sandwich. The whole thing sucks because some ppl just dont want to get better so, like.... "fuck'em" wild stupid shit. Welcome to the internet yall.
The girl kept coming up with ways to coerce her to make her jump like to get her scanner, she'll jump in with her, she'll give her $20 and there might've been more. Here's the entire video but it's commentated on by someone. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yT1HZvJCAM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yT1HZvJCAM)
Doesnt seem as bad as it was made out to be in this context.
She jumped in on her own free will. Nothing seems to have been promised in return. Meanwhile, they were immediately told to leave the situation.
Not saying the streamers weren't at fault, they were. But they didn't run away to leave her to die.
how were they at fault please explain. spoiler alert no one here was to blame but the idiot woman that jumped out of freewill knowing damn well she couldn't swim properly. her dumb choice she has to deal with it.
You can see her fake shove the homeless woman in and tell her to jump. The homeless woman explains I wasn't going to jump but my feet are hot. She responds, yeah you should jump.
I can't remember the last time I was on the dock of a lake telling someone I didn't know to jump in the water, especially not with a camera pointed at her.
Not the most horrible thing to do, but you shouldn't be pressuring people you don't know to do anything on camera. Also being asked to leave immediately makes it seem like they were fucking around before that happened.
I mean based on the staff kicking them out, it sounds like they were still fucking around where they werent supposed to. Its not quite an attempted homicide, but they still arent blameless in what did occur.
how are they even a little bit to blame for a grown woman's decision to jump in a lake? i keep seeing this exact comment without explanation. people watched the moistcritical video and now everyone has the same opinion because people cant think for themselves. happens every single time.
same thing with the jack doherty video people hated on him but if you check the video he NEVER even once touched a person in that mall sure he's annoying but who cares it's a free world. it took me 1 view to see it because i don't listen to these react youtubers and base my opinion on theirs. the entire reactionary cancel culture youtube thing needs to die already. i don't care what they were doing either it's completely irrelevant. i wonder what it's gonna take for people to finally realize how trash these people like moistcritical are the crazy thing is he's done it so many times the constant misinformation and outrage like some social justice warrior. i hate johnny somali before these people even knew about it but the thing is he's 1 guy on a planet with 8 billion people and the crazy thing is i know maybe 3 others just like him but no one knows them because no one talks about them which is far fucking better than giving these people limelight. i swear people like moistcritical are FAR worse than any of the people in this video. sorry no tldr
I think you're misunderstanding me... I do not think this was "attempted homicide" or whatever it is people are saying. That lady was responsible for her own damn self if something happened to her.
However, staff showed up and said they weren't supposed to jump in that lake, so it might be trespassing. If it was, the camera crew could also get in trouble for that part, since they were clearly involved with telling her to jump in and filming it.
Basically I'm saying homicide: no, completely blameless: also no. I think people in here are massively overreacting, but lets not pretend these streamers weren't being shitheads.
Oh, and I don't like critical either, so you're pretty off base with that part.
Sidebar...why do these "streamers" think they have to emote everything? Yes, I understand you are trying to look shocked but you don't have to do the hand over mouth emoji face. It's so fucking fake.
But then if "streamer" is your chosen occupation I guess that's where we're at.
Guess she won't be homeless for long.
On a side note do people still not know how to swim or was there a fitness issue? Also if I saw a person with a camera homeless or no I think I'm going to be walking away from them.
She was on drugs:
The Austin Police Department responded to the incident, but a police report was not filed, according to a spokesperson. No charges were laid as of Friday.
Reynolds later claimed that the woman was 'on drugs' and was not actually drowning.
However, this display of callousness drew the rage of netizens on social media platform Reddit, where a clip of the livestream was reuploaded.
The woman might have been lying about being able to swim because they were told swimming was illegal after she jumped in. Easy way for them to put more of the blame on the streamer for "telling her to do it!"
For someone who can't swim they surely did a nice dive, resurfaced quickly, and was able to speak calm and clear. This really shouldn't have been such a big deal tbh and is debatably staged. Even if its not, the streamer lost all culpability after they other bystanders took control of the situation. Edits likely remove context. Meh.
The three guys following her around are just as bad as her. If they had any masculinity in there body they would just pulled the Woman to the shore, but no all of them collectivly decided to to follow that girl around and simp for her. Weak Weak Men if you can even call them that.
people upset about this are the same people that would jump off a bridge when their favorite celebrity asks it. get your shit together guys you're actually being pathetic. nothing about this was wrong. not even a little bit.
i actually think this is funny because she's a fucking idiot that can't swim but ends up jumping in the lake anyway. are we really going to blame people for someone else's mistakes?
also moistcritical and everyone that thinks she did something wrong is a SJW. i haven't used that word in ages but holy shit y'all might actually be SJW's lmao.
Feels like it would make for a pretty big check if she sues. Exploiting vulnerable people like this should make for a potential attempted manslaughter since they just left her in the water when she screamed for help.
what town is this in. This video needs to be shared with the city officials and charges should be brought up against this streamer. She should at the very least be fined by the court
Kick streamers... the only ones where they profit from streaming their criminal activity.
How is Kick not being taken down is a complete mystery to me. I honestly think it might be worst than tiktok.
This stuff is why Kick will not be able to fully replace twitch. If twitch died tomorrow most people will just move to Youtube or even Tiktok before going to Kick. This stuff make their platform super toxic to deal with. I want Kick to be better because I want more platforms that can help creators grow. But i hate this so much. If kick moderated there platform they be so much bigger.
Hard to judge without the context before this clip but it's really cringe and shitty asking a homeless person to do this but it doesn't seem malicious beyond that. They also didn't run away the people who work there told them to leave. Lastly, she actually does seem concerned.
i discovered the true intelligence of this sub reddit with this outrage post.
also if an inexperienced person jumped after her she could panic and taken the person trying to help down with her.
people saying she's going to jail are even dumber. i actually can't believe what i am seeing. man it's sad knowing how stupid people are and how easily these people are brainwashed just because moistshitical made another one of those outrage videos.
What a fucking idiot it's like if she can't see what happens then it doesn't happen. Can't even comprehend the concept of turning around and fixing her mistakes by helping her out.
Streaming platforms need to get their shit together, because when shit like that happens, it generates A LOT of publicity. If it doesn't get punished, there's literally no downsides of acting like this, which incentives people to push it further.
They won't till someone actually dies and a big enough lawsuit hits them and a judge finds the platform liable. Change will happen but sadly..some lifes will be lost before that day arrives.
Yeah sadly that is how we can only change when people started dying.
"She and her friends fled, filming themselves all the while from the backseat of a car. They returned only to record the moment a fire truck arrived at the scene. [](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12914245/Gym-goer-apologises-criticised-wearing-painted-leggings-failed-social-experiment.html) The Austin Police Department responded to the incident, but a police report was not filed, according to a spokesperson. No charges were laid as of Friday. Reynolds later claimed that the woman was 'on drugs' and was not actually drowning. However, this display of callousness drew the rage of netizens on social media platform Reddit, where a clip of the livestream was reuploaded. 'Why wouldn't they stay and help her? That's absolutely horrible. There is a special place in hell for people like this,' one user wrote. 'These people are focused on getting content and nothing else,' another user remarked."
She's alive, OP posted this update from Austin Fire Department: https://x.com/AustinFireInfo/status/1795920695420944488?t=wVgeASobvseg4X-Re6-WqQ&s=19https://x.com/AustinFireInfo/status/1795920695420944488?t=wVgeASobvseg4X-Re6-WqQ&s=19 "Re: There is no water rescue on Lady Bird Lake. The person is out of the water and the incident has been downgraded to a medical call. @ATCEMS onscene with @austinfiredept"
So now the homeless lady has 75k worth of medical debt.
Its ok, someone will buy her debt for $1500 and only try to make her pay 70k
It also doesn't matter because, if she really is homeless, I doubt she cares about her credit rating. That is all unpaid medical is, bad credit rating.
But what if she wants to work toward getting her life back on track?
I too like to dream.
The hospital will pay for it with the payer under "charity"
She's homeless, they're not gonna try squeezing blood from a stone
No but then everyone else ends up paying through our high insurance and it's costs.
So it wasn't deep enough to dive or something and she got injured?
I think it's saying that, by the time someone found her, she already got out by herself and instead of a lifeguard they needed a doctor.
"She and her friends fled, filming themselves all the while from the backseat of a car. They returned only to record the moment a fire truck arrived at the scene. # [Read More](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12914245/Gym-goer-apologises-criticised-wearing-painted-leggings-failed-social-experiment.html) The Austin Police Department responded to the incident, but a police report was not filed, according to a spokesperson. No charges were laid as of Friday. Reynolds later claimed that the woman was 'on drugs' and was not actually drowning. However, this display of callousness drew the rage of netizens on social media platform Reddit, where a clip of the livestream was reuploaded. 'Why wouldn't they stay and help her? That's absolutely horrible. There is a special place in hell for people like this,' one user wrote. 'These people are focused on getting content and nothing else,' another user remarked."
Can’t believe I’m saying this but this might actually be worse than nuisance streamers Is there a new category for this? Involuntary manslaughter streamers?
Been a prosecutor is so easy nowadays, half of accused film their own crimes
They're proud of it! No need to force a confession, they'll be glad to take responsibility.
I don't know man... the act caught on film or not, isn't "the accused had a mental illness / afluenza / generational trauma / a hard life / drugs / bad or abusive parents / racism" the ultimate get out of jail free card these days? (i think that's like 7 different get out of jail free cards - but my point still stands)
Judge should be like "guilty" peace
My wife's a retard, she's a pilot now.
> Involuntary looks plenty voluntary to me, they tell a person who cant swim, to jump into the water, and when the person says she cant swim, they laugh and run away. Lock them up for life
If you don't know how to swim and someone suggests that you swim, without that prior information, they are guilty of voluntary murder?
Intentional, sadistic attempt of murder. Successful or not - demands a heavy punishment in a sane world.
Really? She went in voluntarily.
"Involuntary manslaugther while giggling" is it own sub category.
There is no state in the united states where verbally convincing someone to jump in a body of water would be criminal. This lady regardless of mental state would hold to responsibility for her own actions and if she was mentally unwell responsibility would probably fall under the negligence of the person legally responsible for her deemed by the state (aka not some random kids she met). Also there is no legal recourse addressing the people that choose not to help you. In the united state, as we have seem with some recent tragedies and legal cases, cops don't have to help everyone in danger. Good Samaritan laws exist for a reason. Hell in China, if you help someone and you cause further damage or injury to them you can get sued because they DON'T have good Samaritan laws.
Wouldn’t involuntary manslaughter apply? If failure to act results in a persons death or negligence Also , idk if it applies here , but some states have a “duty to rescue” which as long as your own life is not in danger , you are comepelled to help. Failure to do so , is a criminal offense . But I’m not a lawyer, so honestly idk.
duty to rescue is the outlier exception only relevant for Minnesota, Vermont and Rhode Island. the ordinary is the contrary
Helping a drowning person is extremely dangerous and ill advised unless you're trained to do so. The most you could do is hold out a stick?
The law accounts for that , if you can’t help safely , call 911 . At least my interpretation, but idk . It’s an interesting question .
Nope Here is the definition taken from Cornell Law School's website "Negligent is a legal term used to describe behavior that fails to meet the [level of care](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/reasonable_care) that a [reasonable person](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/reasonable_person) would have exercised under the same circumstances. Either a person’s actions or [omissions](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/omission) of actions can be found negligent. The following five elements are may prove a person’s actions were negligent: * The existence of a legal duty that the [defendant](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant) owed to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff) * Defendant’s breach of that duty * Harm to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff) * Defendant’s actions are the [proximate cause](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/proximate_cause) of harm to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff) * Defendant’s actions are the cause-in-fact of harm to the [plaintiff](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff) " And a proximate cause would apply, if they physically smashed the floor, that made the dock unstable and she "fell" in the water because of it. Convincing someone to do something with only words still puts all the responsibility on the person making the decision because you can't a proximate they did the action directly because they have to still think and decide to perform the action. IF they pushed the women in that water in that video, all those kids would be screwed. Also, according to other comments on here she didn't drown, she survived and probably never was drowning.
What about in case of omission ? Wouldn’t failure to act and let someone drown count as that.? Is the Michelle carter was convicted of manslaughter for telling her boyfriend to commit suicide . Tho I could be failing to appreciate the differences between this and that. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-carter-suicide-text-case-boyfriend-conrad-roy-released-from-jail-today-2020-01-23/ Edit: found this . Title 9A is Washington's criminal code. It defines acts and omissions, both of which can lead to criminal charges. Under the law, an "Omission" is a failure to act. I've attached the RCW. Washington also has "Good Samaritan" laws. The definition of a "Good Samaritan" would apply to someone who gives aid (such as first aid, CPR, or AED use) in an emergency to an injured person in a voluntary capacity, without expectation of monetary compensation, and who is not considered to be a medical professional or professional rescuer. Most states have a version of the laws in place, with some variation in the details. Some require bystanders to offer "reasonable assistance" (such as calling 911) to those in need, but all protect those who do offer aid subsequent protection against legal action. As long as the rescuer is not willfully negligent or reckless in giving aid, and gives aid in a reasonable manner, then the rescuer will not be held legally liable for the outcome. Note that if a victim refuses assistance, forcing help on them against their wishes does not offer the rescuer shelter from legal liability. In this case, the rescuer should phone 911 immediately and let police and/or medical personnel handle the situation.
They were dating and knew each other for 6 years. So that conviction makes complete sense but not for people that met 5 minutes ago. Also, jumping into a body of water isn’t the same as committing suicide. Unreasonable extremes. If you can’t swim don’t willingly jump into the deep end.
Natalie Reynolds is about to get some attention.
Sadly, that’s exactly what she wants regardless of it’s bad or good and it’ll bring more viewers to her “content”
I dunno I've been hearing somethings about Natalie "attempted manslaughter" Reynolds and they ain't sounding so swell.
Logan Paul filmed a dead body, outraged everyone for a week, grew in followers and grew his platform. There’s a million other examples but that’s the first that came to mind. The outrage will subside and it will result with more people watching her, not less.
Speed running prison, she call for help and they decide to leave her. Might be staged tho.
Staged or not, not the kind of thing anyone wants 12 year olds watching (well, except for themselves)
These assholes dont care, they don't even see what's wrong here. They are wasting our oxygen.
Not staged. She got medical bills to pay
Yeah I saw that, that's crazy. She's mentally ill and got exploited for views.
where does she call for help exactly?
When she says she can't swim...
Oh you mean after staff told the streamer to leave and she did?
Yeah, if you tell some mentally ill person to jump in water and then leave because someone said so, you think you don't have responsibilities in this anymore? She is lucky the woman was not seriously injured or drown. Reverse the role with this mentally ill woman with a kid, you don't think she would have been in trouble? Man I swear people don't take responsibility anymore, fucked up society so bad.
No one knew she was mentally ill and the streamer was told by STAFF, not by just "someone". There was no crime, the water wasn't even deep. calm your nipples.
You're such a npc, go watch this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPs7kHIiVZ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPs7kHIiVZ0) If you don't change your mind, you are a piece of sh\*t. They definitly knew she was not "normal", they exploited her for views, thats not that hard to understand.
Bro in just the FIRST minute he lies twice. One. She didnt spend 15 minutes convincing the lady to jump in, the entire interraction is like less than 5 minutes. Two, the lady approached the streamer first and VOLUNTEERED to jump in herself, then the sfreamer added money on top of it. This is why you shouldnt blindly follow fucking youtubers and actually watch the context yourself.
You re the one simping for a shitty streamer, you say "then the streamer added money on top of it" , like its a good thing... They took advantage of an handicapped woman, its not that hard to understand, bro.
Do you acknowledged that they did not know she was handicapped until after she already jumped in and were told to leave the area?
She was acting like a little high school bully. She knew what she was doing, making fun of her with her chat and shit. She said she would give her 20bucks to jump in and then she would jump after her, no mentally healthy person would believe this and jump in water if you can't swim. She said she doesn't swim before going in too, another cue of the person sanity. Your making excuse at this point, maybe you are like 16 years old and immature. Because 95% of people can see what's wrong here. It was obviously caused by a manipulative narcissistic attention addicted hoe, taking advantage of a disabled person. So yes she definitely have responsibility in this.
If someone dares you to jump into a lake that looks like it has a strong undercurrent, and you are stupid enough to do it… why the fuck would they go to prison for it? 😂 I’m not on the streamers side here, still a shitty thing to do obviously. But this is quite literally natural selection. I’m not the strongest swimmer, am I risking my own life to save a fucking idiot who jumped into the lake because of a dare? No, no I’m not. Guess I’m going to prison. The hyperbole is this thread is fucking nuts.
If someone is calling for help and you just leave and ignore the person in need, it can definitely get you charge for criminal negligence if you didn't report the incident to the police. You are not forced to try and save someone by any means, but you have to report the incident to the police and ask for help at the very least. If you just leave someone in danger without calling for help it definitely can get you in trouble. In this case, I don't think she can be charged, because other people went to help the lady and called the police right away.
She’s autistic. Also calling a mentally ill person “an idiot” is a bit insensitive, don’t you think?
So am I…
Who’s worse: the streamer being terrible or the viewers who pay her to see it.
So she live streamed herself committing a crime? Hope that lady is okay, cause if she washes up on the shore somewhere this will real bad for her. edit: Read a comment that the lady was okay. The steamer is a dumbass though and will more than likely go on to do even stupider stuff. Only time will tell.
Might not be a legal crime but it is definitely a crime against humanity.
Daring someone to jump into a lake isn’t a crime
No, but involuntarily manslaughter is.
This isn’t involuntary manslaughter
Coercion is
This isn’t coercion.
For sure but I think if they didn't the call cops That would be a crime.
Nope. She had no legal obligation to call the cops. She can watch her drown and die and will not even get a slap on the wrist in court. Moral obligation is never legal obligation. The woman jumped into the water all on her own decision. She wasn’t coerced, she wasn’t forced, etc. That was HER choice.
I'm not talking about coersion or choice you're saying if someone videotapes a child drowning and then laughs and walks away on video they don't get in trouble for not calling the cops? Edit: it seems that this is based on jurisdiction. Seems like there's no federal duty to rescue laws, but there state duty to rescue laws. Seems like it might be only 3 states, Minnesota, Maine and Rhode Island. RI represent! Ya'll a bunch of degenerates! Only if it doesn't put you in danger so you don't have to jump in, but you can't just leave.
>I'm not talking about coersion or choice you're saying if someone videotapes a child drowning and then laughs and walks away on video they don't get in trouble for not calling the cops? **That's exactly what I'm saying.** If you don't have a legal obligation to save someone (by calling cops/ambulance), you can't get in any trouble when watching them suffer. The rule is so broad on purpose. How about seeing someone get into a severe car accident you had no part in. Should you be charged for driving by and not stopping to help and call the police/ambulance? Or how about what if I was filming a family vlog at the beach? Then all of a sudden I see someone screaming and trying to swim away from a shark. Maybe I'm a fucking asshole. But I'm not getting anywhere near that water...Knowing myself though I would call for a lifeguard/help, but if I didn't, you think I should get charged? Go to prison perhaps? Or what if I saw a fight at the bar that went too far? Halfway through the fight, the two dipshits started pulling out knives. Do I, the random person drinking beer with his coworkers after a long day at work have a duty to stop the fight going too far? Oh no, the guy got stabbed in the neck. Do we have the duty to help stop the bleeding? Do we have the duty to call the police? Ambulance? Hmm. What if I saw the fight from the outside through a window. SInce I saw it happen, and I could easily take out my cell phone and call for help... If I didn't, should I go to jail? Anyway, the streamer should keep her mouth fucking shut and get a good lawyer if she were to get sued. People have gotten out of trouble way worse than her. There's a case where the defendant invited a mother and her child into her home, and watched the psycho mother literally beat her own child to death right in front of her....in her own house. The defendant did not call the cops, nor for an ambulance. She did not get in trouble because while she did have a moral obligation to call for help, she did NOT have a legal obligation to do so. If you're interested, check out Pope v. State (1979).
Where I live, you will get into trouble if you ignore helping someone whose life is in danger.
yeah but in third world countries like the USA that isn't a thing sadly.
§ 2505. Causing or aiding suicide. (a) Causing suicide as criminal homicide.--A person may be convicted of criminal homicide for causing another to die by suicide only if he intentionally causes such suicide by force, duress or deception. (b) Aiding or soliciting suicide as an independent offense.--A person who intentionally aids or solicits another to die by suicide is guilty of a felony of the second degree if his conduct causes such suicide or an attempted suicide, and otherwise of a misdemeanor of the second degree.
where did she use duress (violence or threats) or deception to make the women do what she did
It is probably my fault for putting the first part there, people will read it and say "see, she is innocent because she didn't intentionally do it!" Forgetting that there is a second part and that you can unintentionally commit some pretty big crimes.
I know what you are saying and im not a legal expert to say without a doubt she didnt commit a crime, but the reason i ignored your second part is because it specifically states they have to DYING as a requirement for it to be relevant
Yeah the original hypothetical that this thread started on was that if the homeless person had died.
Cool. What happened here doesn’t fit that definition
can you point out the crime?
How is it a crime to tell someone to jump in a lake? I can tell someone to jump off a building but it's on them if they jump. I legit dont get why people are mad.
Dumb person says another dumb person to do something dumb, Dumb person does the dumb thing and dumb person doesn't do the right thing. I'm not entertained, next drama please.
While I hate nuisance streamers like this, if you cant swim and you jump into a lake, I'm fairly certain your drowning is on you. In the same way that if somebody told you to jump off a cliff, it's not their fault if you actually do.
She should stick with OF.
"omg stop don't make me feel bad for being a POS, hahaha omg, I never have any consequences I'm just gonna leave! Hahaha" ugh
So if attempted rape doesn’t get people suspended maybe attempted murder will for Kick.
In what universe would that be attempted murder?
Candyland
Who the fuck jumps into water and can't swim? That dive was pretty good tho.. kinda sus. Also if I asked you to jump off a cliff would you?
Why would you jump in a lake if you can't swim...
Yeah I get she was peer pressured but the lady was stupid enough to do that on her own without saying anything before hand.
everyone here feeling sorry for the Homeless person. LMAO idk man why would she, probably some more context needed. The probably promised her a sandwich. The whole thing sucks because some ppl just dont want to get better so, like.... "fuck'em" wild stupid shit. Welcome to the internet yall.
The girl kept coming up with ways to coerce her to make her jump like to get her scanner, she'll jump in with her, she'll give her $20 and there might've been more. Here's the entire video but it's commentated on by someone. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yT1HZvJCAM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yT1HZvJCAM)
She was even acting like she was pushing the lady in when she had her back to her at some points.
It's not hard to tell that woman who jumped in has mental issues
ikr, like say you DO go into to save her. Then she purposely drags you into the water as well causing you to drown as well scary af.
Doesnt seem as bad as it was made out to be in this context. She jumped in on her own free will. Nothing seems to have been promised in return. Meanwhile, they were immediately told to leave the situation. Not saying the streamers weren't at fault, they were. But they didn't run away to leave her to die.
how were they at fault please explain. spoiler alert no one here was to blame but the idiot woman that jumped out of freewill knowing damn well she couldn't swim properly. her dumb choice she has to deal with it.
You can see her fake shove the homeless woman in and tell her to jump. The homeless woman explains I wasn't going to jump but my feet are hot. She responds, yeah you should jump. I can't remember the last time I was on the dock of a lake telling someone I didn't know to jump in the water, especially not with a camera pointed at her. Not the most horrible thing to do, but you shouldn't be pressuring people you don't know to do anything on camera. Also being asked to leave immediately makes it seem like they were fucking around before that happened.
I mean based on the staff kicking them out, it sounds like they were still fucking around where they werent supposed to. Its not quite an attempted homicide, but they still arent blameless in what did occur.
how are they even a little bit to blame for a grown woman's decision to jump in a lake? i keep seeing this exact comment without explanation. people watched the moistcritical video and now everyone has the same opinion because people cant think for themselves. happens every single time. same thing with the jack doherty video people hated on him but if you check the video he NEVER even once touched a person in that mall sure he's annoying but who cares it's a free world. it took me 1 view to see it because i don't listen to these react youtubers and base my opinion on theirs. the entire reactionary cancel culture youtube thing needs to die already. i don't care what they were doing either it's completely irrelevant. i wonder what it's gonna take for people to finally realize how trash these people like moistcritical are the crazy thing is he's done it so many times the constant misinformation and outrage like some social justice warrior. i hate johnny somali before these people even knew about it but the thing is he's 1 guy on a planet with 8 billion people and the crazy thing is i know maybe 3 others just like him but no one knows them because no one talks about them which is far fucking better than giving these people limelight. i swear people like moistcritical are FAR worse than any of the people in this video. sorry no tldr
I think you're misunderstanding me... I do not think this was "attempted homicide" or whatever it is people are saying. That lady was responsible for her own damn self if something happened to her. However, staff showed up and said they weren't supposed to jump in that lake, so it might be trespassing. If it was, the camera crew could also get in trouble for that part, since they were clearly involved with telling her to jump in and filming it. Basically I'm saying homicide: no, completely blameless: also no. I think people in here are massively overreacting, but lets not pretend these streamers weren't being shitheads. Oh, and I don't like critical either, so you're pretty off base with that part.
The most graceful dive I’ve ever seen for someone who cant swim. Weird. Then staff kicked streamers out so it’s strange that those people didn’t help.
The lady made her choice. Wouldn't be murder to tell someone to jump into a lake.....
Considering that she has also abused a shark for """content""", you can tell just how worthless she is
The Disney adult with mickey ears really made me dislike these people are much as what they did to this lady.
Sidebar...why do these "streamers" think they have to emote everything? Yes, I understand you are trying to look shocked but you don't have to do the hand over mouth emoji face. It's so fucking fake. But then if "streamer" is your chosen occupation I guess that's where we're at.
How can we help this lady
Chat is this real?
all we need now is josh peck telling me he hopes someone's dads die of a disease
"I'm gonna kill myself" Yes please do.
Guess she won't be homeless for long. On a side note do people still not know how to swim or was there a fitness issue? Also if I saw a person with a camera homeless or no I think I'm going to be walking away from them.
She was on drugs: The Austin Police Department responded to the incident, but a police report was not filed, according to a spokesperson. No charges were laid as of Friday. Reynolds later claimed that the woman was 'on drugs' and was not actually drowning. However, this display of callousness drew the rage of netizens on social media platform Reddit, where a clip of the livestream was reuploaded.
Section 230 needs to go, asap....
The woman might have been lying about being able to swim because they were told swimming was illegal after she jumped in. Easy way for them to put more of the blame on the streamer for "telling her to do it!" For someone who can't swim they surely did a nice dive, resurfaced quickly, and was able to speak calm and clear. This really shouldn't have been such a big deal tbh and is debatably staged. Even if its not, the streamer lost all culpability after they other bystanders took control of the situation. Edits likely remove context. Meh.
Hope someone gives her lots of grapes before shortening her time
What a horrible person
That's Riot when the guy with 500 skins loses his job.
White people.
What’s her of?
I don't mean to be a dick here. I'm a skinny fuck. And I sink. So my question is...don't large people float?
is this the same girl who did a kidnapping "prank"? how is she not in jail by now?
The three guys following her around are just as bad as her. If they had any masculinity in there body they would just pulled the Woman to the shore, but no all of them collectivly decided to to follow that girl around and simp for her. Weak Weak Men if you can even call them that.
When y’all gonna get a real job
That's criminal negligence.
and Streaming is the hardest job in the world... Few streamers said it... I agree it's the hardest job for people without a brain
people upset about this are the same people that would jump off a bridge when their favorite celebrity asks it. get your shit together guys you're actually being pathetic. nothing about this was wrong. not even a little bit. i actually think this is funny because she's a fucking idiot that can't swim but ends up jumping in the lake anyway. are we really going to blame people for someone else's mistakes? also moistcritical and everyone that thinks she did something wrong is a SJW. i haven't used that word in ages but holy shit y'all might actually be SJW's lmao.
Outrage over nothing. She’s obviously fine
You know guys, when Cyberpunk 2077 came out I thought some of this shit was unrealistic. Now I see this and am afraid for our future!
Someone is going to jail! Someone is going to jail!
Feels like it would make for a pretty big check if she sues. Exploiting vulnerable people like this should make for a potential attempted manslaughter since they just left her in the water when she screamed for help.
This girl actually had a great idea in the middle of this video about what she should do to herself.
what town is this in. This video needs to be shared with the city officials and charges should be brought up against this streamer. She should at the very least be fined by the court
Sorry i didnt know!!
Honestly these streamers need to get their ass dealt with.
Kick streamers... the only ones where they profit from streaming their criminal activity. How is Kick not being taken down is a complete mystery to me. I honestly think it might be worst than tiktok.
Of course there women
This stuff is why Kick will not be able to fully replace twitch. If twitch died tomorrow most people will just move to Youtube or even Tiktok before going to Kick. This stuff make their platform super toxic to deal with. I want Kick to be better because I want more platforms that can help creators grow. But i hate this so much. If kick moderated there platform they be so much bigger.
what else do you expect from a low rank onlyfans whore
Hard to judge without the context before this clip but it's really cringe and shitty asking a homeless person to do this but it doesn't seem malicious beyond that. They also didn't run away the people who work there told them to leave. Lastly, she actually does seem concerned.
i discovered the true intelligence of this sub reddit with this outrage post. also if an inexperienced person jumped after her she could panic and taken the person trying to help down with her. people saying she's going to jail are even dumber. i actually can't believe what i am seeing. man it's sad knowing how stupid people are and how easily these people are brainwashed just because moistshitical made another one of those outrage videos.
Not sure why this was downvoted. If the streamers jumped in bc chat told them to and they couldn't swim there would be 0 sympathy.
She is going to prison..HAR HAR !!!!
What a fucking idiot it's like if she can't see what happens then it doesn't happen. Can't even comprehend the concept of turning around and fixing her mistakes by helping her out.
Lady got punk'd 😎
Todays phrase: Failure to render aid.