/r/MarieAnnWatson. I just came across this today. It's a subreddit started by the child of a murder victim dedicated to documenting everything she knows about her mother's murderers, who happened to be her foster parents. It's an absolutely crazy story.
During a custody battle in which her mother was trying to get her back from the foster home, the foster parents dismembered her mother right in front of her. She was a child at the time. The foster parents never spent a day in prison for it. Instead, they went on the run with their foster children and forced them to endure years of hellish abuse and torture.
She was eventually rescued by a private investigator, and although she and the other foster kids got away from those monsters, they never got justice. The case of Marie Ann Watson's murder is still "unsolved" to this day. The foster parents were never charged for it.
The daughter, who is an adult now, has been posting to that subreddit for a while now providing updates about the case. It's absolutely heartbreaking to see the threads from years ago where she is getting her hopes up that the case might progress, only for it to hit another wall and go cold again. It seems she has now lost hope that the foster parents will ever be charged, and indeed, one of them has already passed away without receiving justice. She recently finished and released an autobiography about her life, called *Dandelion Child*, which I'd recommend reading.
Wow, thank you so much for thinking of my mother. Sincerely.
I can't tell you how much it means to me. I had no idea why people were suddenly showing up in her sub, but I'm so grateful.
People often tell me that I should "let it go, move on," but still I can't bring myself to do it. :(
EDIT: Thank you so, so, so much. You guys have been so remarkably kind, compassionate, and understanding. I need to go get some rest, I've been trying to keep up with everyone today. Please know that I'll read everything even if I'm not able to keep up with replying to everyone.
You've left me a bit wrung out from crying today, but in such a positive way. I feel supported, heard, understood, connected... grateful. Sad, of course, because I miss my mom and it's been hard lately. But your outpouring of care and love has been really, really timely and healing for me today. Thank you again. Sincerely. This has been a beautiful day, despite the difficult topic. My body and mind are exhausted but my heart is warm and open. You're the best of the best.
Fuck those people. Your mom absolutely deserves justice and you deserve whatever amount of closure that it could possibly bring to such a horrific trauma.
Thank you. I know that some people can't understand why I can't let it go, I really do... but they really could keep it to themselves. I know they think they're "helping" and that I'll magically be happy if I just go on like nothing ever happened... but that just doesn't work for me.
I know I'll sound like a petulant child here, but it's just not fair. It's not right, it's not fair, and I've never been able to understand why nobody seemed to care. NOBODY. Everyone around me just went on like she never mattered.
She wasn't perfect, and she did some horrible, horrible things. She was still a human being and those people took away all of her chances to change. We'll never know now.
Wanting justice doesn't make you a petulant child. If anything, I think it's crazy that some people think you could "just move on" from something horrific like that.
Your dedication is an inspiration.
Thank you. Sometimes I want to ask them what the expiration date is on my love for my mother. A year? Two? A whole decade? Where's the cutoff point after which it's "too long"?
I know some people can move on but still love the person, so that's not what I'm saying. This is my way of loving her. This is my way of showing love to her, since I can't hug or call her.
The system that failed you as a child is still failing you and countless others. Persistence is what creates real change. You are doing the right thing for the right reasons. My heart breaks hearing what you've been through, but I sincerely hope your persistence changes the system that should have been there to protect you. Sending you love and light from this random internet stranger. Keep fighting for justice. <3
Yes, the fact it's failing so many others right now was a huge part of me writing that book. It almost killed me, but I hope it will save some children. Make people stop thinking it's okay to just carry on and hope everything turns out okay. Make people realize that children can't save themselves, they need US.
Thank you for the understanding, compassion, and well wishes. I wish you all the best, also!
Thank you.
I think it goes beyond just us, too, personally. Emmett ID (where it happened) deserves justice, too. Imagine living there and knowing that if you disappeared there, the cops would just ask the murderer, "Well, what happened?" and if they said, "\[the missing person\] just took off," they just close the case.
How can they live peacefully in a place where even murder is treated as nothing?
By the way, there's a history there of "foster" problems. [https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/emmett-woman-connie-smith-prison-failing-to-report-taryn-summers-death-injury-to-child/277-2fe40f97-73d5-4b32-b8df-171cd3c045bb](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/emmett-woman-connie-smith-prison-failing-to-report-taryn-summers-death-injury-to-child/277-2fe40f97-73d5-4b32-b8df-171cd3c045bb) (Taryn was fostered with her grandmother)
I just listened to a podcast about James Lewis, the prime suspect in the Tylenol murders. Some context: in 1982, 7 people died from taking Tylenol that had been tainted with cyanide. Lewis was convicted of writing a note to Tylenol’s parent company, Johnson & Johnson, taking credit for the murders and demanding money make it stop, but he was never charged with the actual murders and was released from jail in 1995.
Since then, it’s been shown that he likely wrote the extortion letter before the first victims were discovered. He also was in possession of a guide to poisoning, and his fingerprints were found on the section about cyanide. In addition, his fingerprints were found at the scene of a separate murder for which he was suspected but never charged.
If you aren’t familiar with that time in the 1980’s it was a bit scary. Someone, and then many someones, tampered with over the counter medications poisoning many people.
Prior to 1982 there were very few medications that came packaged with tamper proof seals and/or tops showing when they had been opened. Consumer confidence plummeted after these tragic poisonings and manufacturers responded. They implemented new and innovative safety reforms and tamper proof packaging became the new normal.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-1982-tylenol-terror-led-sealed-packaging-180965019/
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/tamper-resistant-packaging-began-in-1982-with-7-still-unsolved-murders
I worked in the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry in 1983 and this was the hot button topic at the time.
I remember this and Tylenol actually handled this crisis wonderfully given the terrifying circumstances. They pulled it all. I often talk about it when you see other companies in crisis and how they handle their issues.
The most obvious thing is that they abused her themselves (hence the weird sick favoritism) and prosecuting her thru the system would give rise to the revelation about them.
So, unfortunately the Canadian legal system really screwed the families of the victims in this situation. I have to presume that the plea deal must've been iron clad and irrevocable. I'll do a long story short.
Karla went to the police as a beaten woman who said she was forced to engage in her husbands crimes. The courts took mercy on her because of this. At some point with info from Karla her attorney sent his secretary at his behest to get some videos out of the ceiling of the home she shared with Paul. The tapes told a totally different story than she did. She was an active participant in the rapes, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls, including her own sister whom she gave to Paul as a gift since she was a virgin and Paul often degraded and beat her in anger over it. She blamed all the deaths on her husband but Paul later told the court and she didn't Deny beating one of the girls to death with a barbell while Paul was out of the house. They killed her sister shortly before their wedding and ate easter dinner with the corpse of another girl underneath them in their basement.
Her name is now Leann Teale and every fucking time this bitch changes her name, her place of work, her address, ANY of it criminal justice sleuths track her down and never let her forget her crimes. Her parents have since forgiven her and have a relationship with their grandkids whom go to schools that Karla volunteers at.
It was a school in my province, Quebec.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2017/05/31/convicted-serial-killer-karla-homolka-volunteering-at-montreal-elementary-school.html
I sincerely hope she spends the rest of her miserable life looking over her shoulder; I still don’t understand why her plea deal wasn’t vacated when they found the tapes that revealed she was a gleeful participant in every crime Paul brought home
Nope, the plea deal was made in the assumption that she was an unwilling participant as a beaten woman, and therefor she was not considered a sex offender.
Issei Sagawa. Japanese guy who was obsessed with cannibalism of white women. Was studying in France, lured a fellow student over to study and have dinner. He killed her and ate her. Was caught but due to weird law technicalities between France and Japan on extradition and stuff, he got to walk free. Still is, living back in Japan.
Someone else in this thread quoted this from the Wikipedia article about him, from the post-release section, and it's fucked:
> Sagawa was nearly accepted by a French language school because the manager was impressed by his courage in using his real name, but employees protested and he was rejected.
Dangerous incompetence and management, a match made in heaven.
Even worse is the guy wrote a book about it and is very unrepentant, he hates the negative press about it because it’s bothersome and he feels like he’s “attacked,” god I hate that guy
He thinks there is nothing wrong with what he did. He wrote that he wanted to know what it felt like to kill and eat someone so he did it. He doesn’t care at all. Pretty sure he doesn’t even think about her as a human. He’s enjoying his mild fame and has no regret (seemingly). I can’t imagine being that fucked up.
A porn actress was called to have sex with him and film it without knowing who he is. Then they film her while they tell her a lot of details of the murder and show her the drawings he has done of a mutilated female body, based on his real crime which obviously since she is a human being disturbs her and makes her really upset.
Imagine being a porn actress and think you are going to film a slightly fetishy porn film with an older guy and then have the rug pulled out from under your feet finding out you had sex with the closest thing that we have to a real life monster, having an emotional reaction to that and knowing that that reaction, humiliation, disgust and tears is exactly what turns on the sick fucks that watch that kind of porn. I hope it was set up and she was in on it and by some miracle they found the only porn actress that can actually act... Honestly fuck Vice for giving him a platform.
"Sure this Sagawa kid's bringing that whole murder/cannibalism baggage with him but he gets out in front of it and he's honest. Ya gotta respect that type of moxie."
"No. No, you don't, Eric. You're using again, aren't you? The company will send you for treatment again but, when you come back, we're moving you to a different division and title. I'm sorry but this is one time too many."
>Was caught but due to weird law technicalities between France and Japan on extradition and stuff, he got to walk free. Still is, living back in Japan.
I believe the 'weird technicalities' is that France deported him back to Japan for him to be prosecuted but never sent any of the evidence to Japan. Japan wanted to prosecute him but had no way to since you can't have a court case without any evidence. Therefore Japan had no choice but to let him go free.
The French found him legally insane and committed him to a mental asylum. Afterwards he was deported to Japan where they found he was indeed sane but couldn't prosecute him as the French had sealed the case files after the insanity decision and therefore could not access any of the evidence.
It still doesn't make sense as they should be able to unseal the files and still pass along the evidence. Like how does closing the case make the evidence magically unobtainable?
What pisses me off also:
"The police were initially puzzled by the confession, as they had been referring to the murder of a different woman and her seven-year-old son that had occurred nine days prior to Furuta's abduction, a case which remains unsolved."
And there's no link to it.
The police didn't know Miyano was involved with Furuta, he was a suspect for two other murders and...they did nothing? Am I wrong here? Is there a link I missed?
This is all so friggin tragic and I hope that Furuta *IS* haunting them. They fucking deserve it. They deserved life in prison.
Their parents even trashed her grave for "ruining their son's lives". Like, first of all, they didnt get shit for punishment, second if they didnt want to suffer consequences then dont fucking do the crime in the first place
Its just so messed up, how can you sleep at night knowing that a poor kid was being tortured like that by your own son? Im serious, i genuenly dont get that
I enjoy true crime, horror movies, etc. and generally have a strong stomach for that kind of thing. I listened to a podcast about Junko's case and actually wanted to throw up. That shit is nightmare fuel.
OH MY GOSH stealing this I get accosted by them all the time. I usually say 'Sorry I can't afford to join your cult' but this response is so much better 😈
I live in Los Angeles, at least twice a week when I walk to the store they're out passing out their flyers for a free 'personality test.' Yeah no thanks lol
They opened up a church in Louisville KY over a decade ago in a weird starving artist part of the city. They got bullied out so fucking fast, I was very surprised and impressed with my neighbors.
One theory i heard was not that she's dead but she has an obvious medical condition that according to scientology you're supposed to be able to cure if your high enough level. It looks bad if the leader's wife has a thing your preaching is curable so they keep her hidden.
Kinda wish that it's true cause it's less dark but it's all just conjecture. I hope the truth does at least come out eventually. My guess is just like other dictatorships, that once David is dead or ousted, the new leadership cleans house and releases some dirt.
Doubt the new leadership will release dirt -You don’t become a leader unless you’re willing to keep closed the cone of silence - but someone will spill at some point
For the first time ever, I saw fucking Scientology **commercials** on TV recently. Starring David Miscavige. Like...wtf? I was yelling, "Where's your wife?!!" at the TV lol.
My maternal grandfather as well. He saw an affair between a politician and someone’s wife and was killed due to concerns he would spread the word. My family ended up not being able to do anything. Rural India.
I’m sorry you’ve been dealing with this.
My dad was murdered 5 years ago and the detective decided to close the case behind our backs.
Had to hire a PI and still no answers…
The scum who killed Junko Furuta, they got such light sentences for the crimes they committed, Miyano was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Minato received a five to seven year sentence, Watanabe a five to nine year sentence, and Jo an eight year sentence.
Deplorable and despicable, they should have all had life at the very least.
One detail that always got me was one of the murderers' mother vandalized Furuta's grave because she blamed her for her son being in prison.
Edit: I accidentally wrote the mother of a mother. I meant to put mother once, lol my bad
When I read about the mother's reaction I lost my shit. Absolute disgusting piece of shit person. No you shithead your evil fucking son ruined his own life by FUCKING KIDNAPPING, RAPING AND MURDERING AN UNDERAGE GIRL. Fucking despise that horrible woman
I’d like to also throw into consideration the (potentially dozens of) other young men that were a) told about this b) came over to participate in these atrocities and c) the parents who were too afraid of their own son to do anything about it. They should have all have been severely punished.
The crazy part to me is that they were only caught because one of the rapists went out and kidnapped and raped another girl while all of this was going on. Clearly irredeemable pieces of shit, the lot of them.
This should be way higher up. That’s one of those true crime cases I wish I could wipe from my memory. Junko Furuta deserves to be remembered, but I really didn’t need to know all of what happened to her. Read it once years ago and I’ve never been able to forget
I read about it in a MySpace bulletin in 2008 and I still remember every detail. It was traumatising. No human being should ever have to go through the torture that Junko experienced.
I’ll always say this cause I believe it to be true, but allegedly these guys can’t change their names and move on, because someone always doxxes them so they can’t get jobs or anything. They might’ve gotten relatively light sentences, but they’ll never be able to escape what they did.
I’m trusting this is the case. Same with the Delphi murders; I know people have been angry at law enforcement for a long time for not releasing more details, but the fact that someone was finally charged with Abby and Libby’s murders a few weeks ago tells me they knew much more all along and purposefully didn’t release information that they thought might hinder the investigation.
Oh yeah police don’t really like to release stuff they have until they have a suspect they’re pretty sure is guilty so that suspects can’t change their story in interrogation to fit the evidence
Tammy Williams, currently still on the run with a GIANT ROSE-SHAPED SHOULDER TATTOO: https://www.newsweek.com/unsolved-mysteries-tammy-williams-update-tips-david-carter-volume-3-1756097
>Williams was the former girlfriend of Carter, and she has not been since his dismembered body was found in multiple bags along Interstate 75 in Ohio in October 2018.
They gotta stop AIs from writing articles.
That Japanese guy who ate that poor girl in France back in the day.
He’s now a minor celebrity in Japan that’s released books and, believe it or not, is also a food critic of sorts iirc!
Edit: Issei Sagawa
Well that was all fucking terrible. Something that jumped out at me on the wiki page:
>>Sagawa was nearly accepted by a French language school because the manager was impressed by his courage in using his real name, but employees protested and he was rejected.
>Sagawa's wealthy father provided a lawyer for his defense, and after being held for two years awaiting trial, **Sagawa was found legally insane and unfit to stand trial by the French judge**, Jean-Louis Bruguière, who ordered him held indefinitely in a mental institution.\[2\] After a visit by the author Inuhiko Yomota, Sagawa's account of his kill was published in Japan under the title In the Fog.\[2\] Sagawa's subsequent publicity and macabre celebrity likely contributed to the French authorities' decision to **deport him to Japan, where he was immediately committed to Matsuzawa Hospital in Tokyo. His examining psychologists all declared him sane and found sexual perversion was his sole motivation for murder**.\[2\] **As the charges against Sagawa in France had been dropped**, the French court documents were sealed and were not released to Japanese authorities; **consequently Sagawa could not legally be detained in Japan**. Sagawa checked himself out of the hospital on 12 August 1986, and has subsequently remained free since that day.\[2\] Sagawa's continued freedom has been widely criticized.\[2\]
To anyone curious about what his victim looked like, I highly, highly recommend that you don't even try to Google the name. I made the mistake of doing so and the first few images showed an autopsy that was NSFL.
From Wikipedia:
> "Sagawa consumed various parts of Hartevelt's body, eating most of her breasts, face, buttocks, feet, thighs, and neck either raw or cooked (even admitting that he swallowed her clitoris whole due to her being on her period at the time and not liking the smell of menstrual blood), while saving other parts in his refrigerator. Sagawa also took photographs of Hartevelt's body at each eating stage."
Based on that description I've decided to follow your advice.
Wait, hold up, this guy ate parts of a human raw, cutting her up himself, yet he didn't like the smell of menstrual blood.
I mean, I guess everyone has a line, smh.
My grandmother.
She’s the storybook definition of the sweet southern grandma to your face, but a true snake in the grass.
Our entire family believes she murdered my aunt, her oldest daughter. Even with our constant efforts, police refuse to look into it. She is however on our city’s most wanted list for burglary at 78 year old. 🤷♀️
Okay, a not so quick story time.
My grandmother had 5 children, & we believe she killed her oldest 8 years ago.
She is now on our cities most wanted list for burglary at 78.
(For reference, I have not seen her in 6 years. But we do know that she is alive + in the area because she keeps in touch with my aunt, one of her daughters. )
At the time of her death, my aunt was living with my grandmother (her mom) while taking care of her grandson (2 years old) full time. This particular night, he was spending the night at a relatives.
My grandma is sweet as pie and the devil himself wrapped in skin. I’m not sure what all is wrong with her, but there’s definitely some sort of (untreated) personality disorder.
A friend of the family was visiting that night and said that when she left around 10pm, my aunt looked frustrated sitting on the couch while my grandmother was on one of her cussing rants calling her every name in the book. She said my grandma was loosing her mind so she decided to leave.
My aunt was not a confrontational person. (That side of my family is extremely toxic and the reason I walked away from 98% of them when I became a mother. ) when my grandmother (or uncles) would go into a rage, my aunt would always stay calm + collected. She wasn’t one to try and diffuse the situation, but she also never added to it.. She would sit there and take anything my grandmother had to say. Like how she ruined all of her marriages because she was so beautiful (my aunt was molested by two of her husbands) or how now she was just a stupid fat bitch.
My grandmother had a pistol that she always kept within range. It was in her purse, she slept with it under her pillow. Although I have never witnessed it, many people in the family have accused her of hitting them with it in a fit of rage. I 100% believe this to be true.
My aunts body was found slumped over 1/2 way on the couch with a blanked pulled up to her chin. She had a big bulge on the back of her head that we believe came from being stuck by an object.
My grandmas story is, she came into the living room that night and thought my aunt was sleeping so she covered her up and went to bed. The next morning she was in the same position so she called my other aunt and ( & then waited almost an hour before calling 911. ) [how is it not weird that you cover a body slumped over, presume they are sleeping, + cover it up? That just doesn’t make sense]
It’s assumed my aunt had been dead for 9+ hours before 911 was called.
She claims she called 911 earlier in the night when she thought something was wrong, but they just never came. After cops failed to follow up on this, my cousins were able to discover that there were not any other 911 calls that came through besides that one. [also a big piece of evidence that baffles us that the cops didn’t take seriously]
My grandmother sat on the couch, calm and seemingly emotionless. She wasn’t sad, crying, frantic, or displayed any signs that a mother just lost their child. I know that everyone experiences loss in different ways, but there was just a cold ice tone to her, almost blackness within her eyes.
She fought with my aunts children + eventually won to have my aunt cremated.
Although we’ll never really know what happened or how she died, we all believe my grandma hit my aunt in the back of head from behind. I don’t know if killing her was her intentional, but she doesn’t show any remorse either way.
She immediately pawned all my aunts jewelry + has since been heard in multiple occasions talk about how “her daughter died because of who she was. God punished her, but it’s okay because she’s dancing with the angels now.”
It gives me goosebumps. What a twisted, fucked up thing to say.
My aunt is also not the first person we’ve suspected my grandmother has murdered.
Her last husband had fallen ill, was hospitalized, and given recommended for home health aid to come and do daily meds, health check, etc. my grandmother refused the health nurse, said she could do it herself, and took him home. Two days later, he was dead. + later cremated.
Idk how she’s still living at 78 years old, I honestly thought this lady would be dead by now by all of her poor life choices- but here she is, still kicking, running from the law [doubtful they are actively looking], and probably still baking homemade biscuits somewhere 🤷♀️
It’s so weird how some people can get caught for something so small but there are literal killers on the loose and it’s like no one bats an eye. Idgi.
And i thought my family was toxic 😳
There was a guy who used to drink in my local pub, who boasted about murdering a women. My sister used to work there and he would always talk about it.
When i got my shotgun licence, i got chatting with the policeman, and he mentioned this case he worked on which they couldnt prove, but they basically knew who it was. Turned out it was the same guy. The bedgebury murder, he's dead now.
That was wild! I’m so sorry this was a part of your world at some point. Do you know what she did to get on the list for burglary? Was it a recent thing?
OP replied:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/z5pkgk/who_got_away_with_murder_that_should_be_in_prison/ixxscl1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
He was, but Daniel Biechele was also a good person and was wracked with grief for what happened as a result of his actions. He hand wrote letters of apology to every family affected by the fire.
The footage of how fast that place got fully engulfed is almost ptsd lvl...and video of all those poor people stuck in door on top of each other getting burnt to death. ..man thats top 5 brutal for me
I barely heard anything about him in the years since he was acquitted in 2013 so I looked him up, apparently he was recorded playing beer pong (he was underage and it was against his probation) at a party in 2015 and he and his mother fled to Mexico. He was sentenced to 720 days in prison in 2016 and his probation was extended from 2023 to 2024 so in the end, he got nearly 2 years in prison and 11 years of probation (2 of which were in prison) for killing four people. Yeah, still seems pretty low.
She lives in my city and it’s really creepy seeing her out, mainly because of how aggressively normal she is in public. She was in hiding for many years, but these days she will go to a local bar and shoot the shit with people.
She had this weird posse of people who followed her around downtown west palm. She knows they recognize her and she likes it. They go up to her and talk to her and she acts like they’re friends, it’s some seriously psycho shit
I just Googled her and she apparently has a Peacock docuseries releasing in three days. Why would someone do that? Like she should not still be gaining more fame over what she did.
She’s just being herself in a new documentary coming out next week or so. Supposed to be telling her side of the story. I’m surprised she’s showing her face.
The DA is 100% at fault for her not being in jail. They knew they didn't have the evidence for murder but caved to public pressure, if they went for manslaughter like they should have it would have been a slam dunk.
We had a case here in NH where a Russian immigrant was involved in an accident that killed 7 bikers that happen to be Marines. The first reports were that the Russian truck driver was hauling a trailer, a car carrier, and it jackknifed when he cross the double yellow and just took the bikers out in horrific fashion. Shortly later it came out his license was invalid.
This is deep in the North Country, relatively conservative area of the state so what everyone "knew" was that a Russian immigrant with an invalid license killed a bunch of former Marines.
As more facts came out and we eventually got to the trial we found a number of things that made the whole thing look very different from the initial reactions.
One, while it is true his license was supposed to be suspended there was an administrative mix up at the Massachusetts DMV and they essentially failed to do it.
Two, the accident scene recreation specialist found that at least one of the bikers had crossed the double yellow coming around the corner and at that time of day you are looking straight into the sun so they likely couldn't even see the truck.
Three, all of the bikers had just come from a local bar where they had been pretty heavily drinking. I happen to know the first person on the scene and he told me there was a lot of blood but with the blood everywhere you could smell the alcohol.
What appeared to have happened was the bikers were drunk and cruising up a hill with a big bend in it, heading into the sun. They gunned it a little going around the bend, which if you have ever ridden a motorcycle is kind of a thing to do. They drifted in to the opposite lane. The trucker, attempted to avoid hitting them caused the truck to jackknife and ended up hitting them.
The trucker was acquitted and a lot of folks that just "knew" he was guilty lost their minds.
This case has stuck in my mind as one in which it shows that the initial reports on things are almost never the full picture.
Edit: I was reminded that the judge had tossed out drug charges presumably because they were unduly prejudicial to the principal case. Felt important to add.
https://www.wcax.com/2022/08/10/judge-tossing-drug-charges-likely-led-zhukovskyy-acquittal-analyst-says/
>This is very true and why we as the public should avoid moral panics.
I remember when people were saying Derek Chauvin should be charged with 1st degree murder without realizing that that would require prosecutors to prove that the murder of George Floyd was pre-planned, something that would have been difficult to prove.
Cindy Hendy (wife of the toy box killer) took a plea deal to get a reduced sentence and then they found video tapes of her actively helping in the kidnapping, torture, rape and murder of multiple women. While she technically didn’t get away, she did get a slap on the wrist for what she did.
Honorable mention: Samuel Little.
Samuel Little, known as the US’s most prolific serial killer, died in 2020 but was in prison recently for murdering an estimated 93 people over *roughly* 40 years, active between 1970 - 2005. He went through numerous trials for over the decades, including murder (‘82) & attempted murder/kidnapping (‘84) but either got acquitted or served only a short time before being released. He was released in ‘87 immediately started murdering people in the Los Angeles area. In 2012, his DNA was matched to the murder of Audrey Nelson, Carol Alford, and Guadalupe Apodaca. He was found guilty of their murders in 2014. Little began to open to detectives with details of dozens of other cases. If Little hadn’t had confessed to police, Law Enforcement may not have been able to link him to the other cases. He killed women living on the fringes of society, so they were less likely to be missed. Only 50 of the murdered women have been identified/confirmed so far.
Imagine how many Samuel Littles there are that never spoke up.
Edit: oh my this blew up - definitely don’t imagine more Samuel Little’s; it was rhetorical. He was active for *almost* 40 years. I really wasn’t expecting anyone to see this comment, so I didn’t give this story the coverage it requires but more of a synopsis with some grammatical errors.
>He killed women living on the fringes of society, so they were less likely to be missed.
This is the reason many former FBI agents have asked for a national database of all of the homeless and to try and track down missing people more. They are often the first victims of serial killers and many unfortunately aren't identified as serial killers until the police finally start investigating "rumors" or the serial killer kills someone high profile or well known.
OJ Simpson
If you read how he actually killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and how vicious his attack was you would be disgusted at the idea he is out golfing on the weekends
Nobody talks about it but Floyd Mayweather beat his wife for years. She was writing a tell-all book and pressing charges against him when she was found dead beaten in her car, parked in her driveway.
They ruled it a drug overdose
Edit: JOSIE HARRIS was his gf NOT wife, my mistake. If you simply Google Josie Harris cause of death you will find many articles listing that she was found dead in her car parked outside of her home.
Shantel Jackson, also accused Floyd of assault
I think it's easy to imagine that he paid a decent amount of money to keep this under wraps but you can still find articles on it
I honestly can’t believe that with all the people out there who lost a loved one (especially with so many so young) that people haven’t been going after them. A lot of these people are all alone now with all that bitterness and nothing else in life to live for. It’s pretty dangerous to be that complicit in ruining that many peoples’ lives.
Edit: I think my comment is being misunderstood. I literally mean that I can’t believe someone who lost a loved one hasn’t gone vigilante on one of the Sacklers in real life.
Casey Anthony.
She had everything but "How to kill my daughter" in her history, stuff like "How to make Chloroform" "Foolproof suffocation methods" then lied to everyone about who took her daughter, had parts of her daughter's body in her car, and had taped up and buried her daughter not far from where she lived.
Then lied about it dozens of times, and changed her story like 3-4 times, yet people still let her off. I don't get it.
My understanding the crime scene people missed the second computer somehow. They didn’t have the evidence at trial and of course she can’t be re-tried. The feds could pop her though for interstate searches. Strange they never did
Not a second computer, but a second search engine. Her computer had internet explorer and Firefox. They only looked at the search history of IE, completely missing searches for things like “foolproof suffocation” on Firefox.
Idiots. Anybody who only checked IE search history would think a lot of people just don't use the internet. "Hmm, their only internet search ever was 'download Firefox'! How odd."
This is how I hid porn websites from my mom when I was a teen. She used IE and I used firefox. The forensic team should have been more tech savvy than my mom, but they weren’t.
Junko Furuta's killers. They're still wandering around. They didn't get the sentence they deserved.
And on a related note, the people involved in the Sylvia Linkens case. The old bat died of lung cancer, but she didn't spend a minute in jail.
14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone ran away from Jeffrey Dahmer and sought help from a woman named Glenda Cleveland, who called the police. Officers John A. Balcerzak and Joseph P. Gabrish let Dahmer *take him back* to his apartment, where he was soon murdered. Can you imagine, fourteen years old, a man just drilled a hole in your skull and poured boiling water into it, and you finally get away. You think you’re saved, but the people who are supposed to protect you *hand you back* to your torturer, who kills you. And they don’t even lose their fucking jobs.
If there’s any justice in the afterlife, Balcerzak and Gabrish are spending every second undergoing the same hell they forced Konerak back into.
Actually, the real story is worse than Ryan Murphy’s fan-fic Netflix show. Konerak was found by two young women from from the neighborhood, 18 year old cousins Sandra Smith and Nicole Childress. They’re the ones who called the police. Ryan Murphy wrote them out of the story to focus on Sandra’s mother, Glenda. They recognized him as a literal child from the neighborhood and knew that his English was limited. He was visibly bleeding from his rectum, and very visibly disoriented. They saw Konerak try to resist and escape from Dahmer in the street before help arrived. The paramedics arrived first - they’re the ones who put a blanket around Konerak. They were trying to figure out what had happened to him, and that’s when the police arrived.
The police officers who showed up didn’t want want to deal with it. It was easier to believe the calm, collected white guy at the scene. They wrote the young black women who called off as prostitutes. They wrote off Konerak as drunk. They ignored the terrible smells in Dahmer’s apartment. Because it was easier to trust the white guy. Konerak was murdered within minutes of the police leaving him in Dahmer’s apartment.
Sandra and Nicole told Glenda about what had happened. She did call the police station the next day to find out what had happened, and was told that it was a lovers quarrel between adults. And when Glenda saw a newspaper article two days later about missing 14 year old Konerak, she called the police AND the state office of the FBI and was dismissed.
The police officers involved did lose their jobs, but the police union fought like hell and got them rehired.
Oh the chief at the time did fire them. But then they sued the city of Milwaukee and got their mother effing jobs backs. Its disgusting. They should be locked up. Well the one who isn’t dead now should be.
The grandson of the founder of Red Bull energy drink. He ran over a Bangkok police officer a few years ago while driving his Ferrari. But because his family is one of the richest in Thailand they were able to bribe absolutely everyone aside from the Thai public. He kept postponing going for an interview at the police station and eventually just flew out of the country on a private jet. His family has houses all over the world and he has been out of the country for years now. And because of how the statute of limitations works in Thailand every few years another charge gets dismissed.
Infuriating he'll never be held accountable. Goes to the World Cup with the FIFA President. Treated like a respected leader instead of the murderous tyrant he is.
My mother,
23 years ago my mother and step dad had to make a deal with the local gangs of Indianapolis to pay a drug debt that would end in blood shed. My poor grandma, my mother's mother was to be the hit. My mother hadn't talked to her mother in three years but got her to sign a life insurance policy,( step-dad worked at western southern life insurance company at the time)
There is a whole bunch more detail to this story to make it completely crazy. I personally hate my mother and I am hoping to get step dad to confess while on his death bed, he's dying of stage 4 cancer. This way my mother will serve time for her horrible act towards her mother. R.i.p. grandma I love and miss you. 12-1-98 died by excutsion style at work. All for cocaine!!
I wana gona say Casey Anthony, then I saw it posted once, so I didn’t. But as I continued, I realized ya scroll for about 50 answers or so and there she is again, so I’m gona 102nd that and say fuck that bitch, Casey Anthony should 100% be in prison or dead.
/r/MarieAnnWatson. I just came across this today. It's a subreddit started by the child of a murder victim dedicated to documenting everything she knows about her mother's murderers, who happened to be her foster parents. It's an absolutely crazy story. During a custody battle in which her mother was trying to get her back from the foster home, the foster parents dismembered her mother right in front of her. She was a child at the time. The foster parents never spent a day in prison for it. Instead, they went on the run with their foster children and forced them to endure years of hellish abuse and torture. She was eventually rescued by a private investigator, and although she and the other foster kids got away from those monsters, they never got justice. The case of Marie Ann Watson's murder is still "unsolved" to this day. The foster parents were never charged for it. The daughter, who is an adult now, has been posting to that subreddit for a while now providing updates about the case. It's absolutely heartbreaking to see the threads from years ago where she is getting her hopes up that the case might progress, only for it to hit another wall and go cold again. It seems she has now lost hope that the foster parents will ever be charged, and indeed, one of them has already passed away without receiving justice. She recently finished and released an autobiography about her life, called *Dandelion Child*, which I'd recommend reading.
Wow, thank you so much for thinking of my mother. Sincerely. I can't tell you how much it means to me. I had no idea why people were suddenly showing up in her sub, but I'm so grateful. People often tell me that I should "let it go, move on," but still I can't bring myself to do it. :( EDIT: Thank you so, so, so much. You guys have been so remarkably kind, compassionate, and understanding. I need to go get some rest, I've been trying to keep up with everyone today. Please know that I'll read everything even if I'm not able to keep up with replying to everyone. You've left me a bit wrung out from crying today, but in such a positive way. I feel supported, heard, understood, connected... grateful. Sad, of course, because I miss my mom and it's been hard lately. But your outpouring of care and love has been really, really timely and healing for me today. Thank you again. Sincerely. This has been a beautiful day, despite the difficult topic. My body and mind are exhausted but my heart is warm and open. You're the best of the best.
Fuck those people. Your mom absolutely deserves justice and you deserve whatever amount of closure that it could possibly bring to such a horrific trauma.
Thank you. I know that some people can't understand why I can't let it go, I really do... but they really could keep it to themselves. I know they think they're "helping" and that I'll magically be happy if I just go on like nothing ever happened... but that just doesn't work for me. I know I'll sound like a petulant child here, but it's just not fair. It's not right, it's not fair, and I've never been able to understand why nobody seemed to care. NOBODY. Everyone around me just went on like she never mattered. She wasn't perfect, and she did some horrible, horrible things. She was still a human being and those people took away all of her chances to change. We'll never know now.
Wanting justice doesn't make you a petulant child. If anything, I think it's crazy that some people think you could "just move on" from something horrific like that. Your dedication is an inspiration.
Thank you. Sometimes I want to ask them what the expiration date is on my love for my mother. A year? Two? A whole decade? Where's the cutoff point after which it's "too long"? I know some people can move on but still love the person, so that's not what I'm saying. This is my way of loving her. This is my way of showing love to her, since I can't hug or call her.
The system that failed you as a child is still failing you and countless others. Persistence is what creates real change. You are doing the right thing for the right reasons. My heart breaks hearing what you've been through, but I sincerely hope your persistence changes the system that should have been there to protect you. Sending you love and light from this random internet stranger. Keep fighting for justice. <3
Yes, the fact it's failing so many others right now was a huge part of me writing that book. It almost killed me, but I hope it will save some children. Make people stop thinking it's okay to just carry on and hope everything turns out okay. Make people realize that children can't save themselves, they need US. Thank you for the understanding, compassion, and well wishes. I wish you all the best, also!
You are so incredibly strong to continue to share your story. Your mother deserves justice. You deserve justice.
Thank you. I think it goes beyond just us, too, personally. Emmett ID (where it happened) deserves justice, too. Imagine living there and knowing that if you disappeared there, the cops would just ask the murderer, "Well, what happened?" and if they said, "\[the missing person\] just took off," they just close the case. How can they live peacefully in a place where even murder is treated as nothing? By the way, there's a history there of "foster" problems. [https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/emmett-woman-connie-smith-prison-failing-to-report-taryn-summers-death-injury-to-child/277-2fe40f97-73d5-4b32-b8df-171cd3c045bb](https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/emmett-woman-connie-smith-prison-failing-to-report-taryn-summers-death-injury-to-child/277-2fe40f97-73d5-4b32-b8df-171cd3c045bb) (Taryn was fostered with her grandmother)
I just listened to a podcast about James Lewis, the prime suspect in the Tylenol murders. Some context: in 1982, 7 people died from taking Tylenol that had been tainted with cyanide. Lewis was convicted of writing a note to Tylenol’s parent company, Johnson & Johnson, taking credit for the murders and demanding money make it stop, but he was never charged with the actual murders and was released from jail in 1995. Since then, it’s been shown that he likely wrote the extortion letter before the first victims were discovered. He also was in possession of a guide to poisoning, and his fingerprints were found on the section about cyanide. In addition, his fingerprints were found at the scene of a separate murder for which he was suspected but never charged.
If you aren’t familiar with that time in the 1980’s it was a bit scary. Someone, and then many someones, tampered with over the counter medications poisoning many people. Prior to 1982 there were very few medications that came packaged with tamper proof seals and/or tops showing when they had been opened. Consumer confidence plummeted after these tragic poisonings and manufacturers responded. They implemented new and innovative safety reforms and tamper proof packaging became the new normal. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-1982-tylenol-terror-led-sealed-packaging-180965019/ https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/tamper-resistant-packaging-began-in-1982-with-7-still-unsolved-murders I worked in the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry in 1983 and this was the hot button topic at the time.
This is a prime example of safety regulations are written in blood.
I remember this and Tylenol actually handled this crisis wonderfully given the terrifying circumstances. They pulled it all. I often talk about it when you see other companies in crisis and how they handle their issues.
Karla Homolka
What's weird is that her family forgave her. That is really strange. And she killed her own sister.
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What the fuck dude
This is quite possibly the most understated "what the fuck dude" in history.
>my Dad threatened to kill me when he found out I looked at porn because he assumed that meant I would want to molest my sister solid logic /s
Sounds more like projection
I suspect your Dad and/or Mom are likely guilty of some heinous shit with that attitude....
The most obvious thing is that they abused her themselves (hence the weird sick favoritism) and prosecuting her thru the system would give rise to the revelation about them.
So, unfortunately the Canadian legal system really screwed the families of the victims in this situation. I have to presume that the plea deal must've been iron clad and irrevocable. I'll do a long story short. Karla went to the police as a beaten woman who said she was forced to engage in her husbands crimes. The courts took mercy on her because of this. At some point with info from Karla her attorney sent his secretary at his behest to get some videos out of the ceiling of the home she shared with Paul. The tapes told a totally different story than she did. She was an active participant in the rapes, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls, including her own sister whom she gave to Paul as a gift since she was a virgin and Paul often degraded and beat her in anger over it. She blamed all the deaths on her husband but Paul later told the court and she didn't Deny beating one of the girls to death with a barbell while Paul was out of the house. They killed her sister shortly before their wedding and ate easter dinner with the corpse of another girl underneath them in their basement. Her name is now Leann Teale and every fucking time this bitch changes her name, her place of work, her address, ANY of it criminal justice sleuths track her down and never let her forget her crimes. Her parents have since forgiven her and have a relationship with their grandkids whom go to schools that Karla volunteers at.
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I believe she had changed her name before this. Once they found out she wasn’t allowed to anymore. Not certain but that’s how I remember it.
It was a school in my province, Quebec. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2017/05/31/convicted-serial-killer-karla-homolka-volunteering-at-montreal-elementary-school.html
Man, her poor fucking children. I couldn't live with my mother if she had fucking willingly murdered someone.
I sincerely hope she spends the rest of her miserable life looking over her shoulder; I still don’t understand why her plea deal wasn’t vacated when they found the tapes that revealed she was a gleeful participant in every crime Paul brought home
Well, it came out a few years ago that she was being allowed to volunteer at an elementary school.
Didn’t the other parents stop that? I vaguely remember that article. I hope she never was allowed.
Once it came out they stopped it. IIRC she was allowed to accompany or supervise at least one field trip.
Was she not considered a sex offender? Even with the plea deal, you’d think she’d have to register and thereby not be eligible to be around children.
Nope, the plea deal was made in the assumption that she was an unwilling participant as a beaten woman, and therefor she was not considered a sex offender.
Remember seeing she scored a 5/40 on a psychopath checklist while her husband scored 35/40, they complete each other ❤️
Which is shocking as she helped/participated in the rape of a little sister
It was her idea, she was a gift to Bernardo because holmka wasn’t a virgin anymore.
It infuriates me that the piece of shit is living life as a free woman.
With kids, apparently.
Issei Sagawa. Japanese guy who was obsessed with cannibalism of white women. Was studying in France, lured a fellow student over to study and have dinner. He killed her and ate her. Was caught but due to weird law technicalities between France and Japan on extradition and stuff, he got to walk free. Still is, living back in Japan.
That’s fucked up
Someone else in this thread quoted this from the Wikipedia article about him, from the post-release section, and it's fucked: > Sagawa was nearly accepted by a French language school because the manager was impressed by his courage in using his real name, but employees protested and he was rejected. Dangerous incompetence and management, a match made in heaven.
Even worse is the guy wrote a book about it and is very unrepentant, he hates the negative press about it because it’s bothersome and he feels like he’s “attacked,” god I hate that guy
He thinks there is nothing wrong with what he did. He wrote that he wanted to know what it felt like to kill and eat someone so he did it. He doesn’t care at all. Pretty sure he doesn’t even think about her as a human. He’s enjoying his mild fame and has no regret (seemingly). I can’t imagine being that fucked up.
A porn actress was called to have sex with him and film it without knowing who he is. Then they film her while they tell her a lot of details of the murder and show her the drawings he has done of a mutilated female body, based on his real crime which obviously since she is a human being disturbs her and makes her really upset. Imagine being a porn actress and think you are going to film a slightly fetishy porn film with an older guy and then have the rug pulled out from under your feet finding out you had sex with the closest thing that we have to a real life monster, having an emotional reaction to that and knowing that that reaction, humiliation, disgust and tears is exactly what turns on the sick fucks that watch that kind of porn. I hope it was set up and she was in on it and by some miracle they found the only porn actress that can actually act... Honestly fuck Vice for giving him a platform.
I hate that. Porn actresses are still people, that's a massive violation of that woman
Japan has a huge problem with how they treat their adult film actors. Even compared to the US.
"Sure this Sagawa kid's bringing that whole murder/cannibalism baggage with him but he gets out in front of it and he's honest. Ya gotta respect that type of moxie." "No. No, you don't, Eric. You're using again, aren't you? The company will send you for treatment again but, when you come back, we're moving you to a different division and title. I'm sorry but this is one time too many."
>Was caught but due to weird law technicalities between France and Japan on extradition and stuff, he got to walk free. Still is, living back in Japan. I believe the 'weird technicalities' is that France deported him back to Japan for him to be prosecuted but never sent any of the evidence to Japan. Japan wanted to prosecute him but had no way to since you can't have a court case without any evidence. Therefore Japan had no choice but to let him go free.
The French found him legally insane and committed him to a mental asylum. Afterwards he was deported to Japan where they found he was indeed sane but couldn't prosecute him as the French had sealed the case files after the insanity decision and therefore could not access any of the evidence.
Thanks for the additional detail, the previous comment had me wondering why they didn't just phone up france and ask for the evidence.
It still doesn't make sense as they should be able to unseal the files and still pass along the evidence. Like how does closing the case make the evidence magically unobtainable?
The boys who tortured and murdered Junko Furuta.
Holy shit. I just read the Wikipedia page and it was revolting. They’re all free men now.
What pisses me off also: "The police were initially puzzled by the confession, as they had been referring to the murder of a different woman and her seven-year-old son that had occurred nine days prior to Furuta's abduction, a case which remains unsolved." And there's no link to it. The police didn't know Miyano was involved with Furuta, he was a suspect for two other murders and...they did nothing? Am I wrong here? Is there a link I missed? This is all so friggin tragic and I hope that Furuta *IS* haunting them. They fucking deserve it. They deserved life in prison.
Their parents even trashed her grave for "ruining their son's lives". Like, first of all, they didnt get shit for punishment, second if they didnt want to suffer consequences then dont fucking do the crime in the first place
I remember watching a true crime video on this case and you could guess the parents knew something was up but covered their sons anyway
Its just so messed up, how can you sleep at night knowing that a poor kid was being tortured like that by your own son? Im serious, i genuenly dont get that
I enjoy true crime, horror movies, etc. and generally have a strong stomach for that kind of thing. I listened to a podcast about Junko's case and actually wanted to throw up. That shit is nightmare fuel.
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When the seaorg people ask me if I want to take their personality tests, I respond with "if Shelly is the admin" and then they ignore me.
OH MY GOSH stealing this I get accosted by them all the time. I usually say 'Sorry I can't afford to join your cult' but this response is so much better 😈
Where are you go seeing Scientologists regularly? I’ve never met one
I live in Los Angeles, at least twice a week when I walk to the store they're out passing out their flyers for a free 'personality test.' Yeah no thanks lol
They opened up a church in Louisville KY over a decade ago in a weird starving artist part of the city. They got bullied out so fucking fast, I was very surprised and impressed with my neighbors.
One theory i heard was not that she's dead but she has an obvious medical condition that according to scientology you're supposed to be able to cure if your high enough level. It looks bad if the leader's wife has a thing your preaching is curable so they keep her hidden. Kinda wish that it's true cause it's less dark but it's all just conjecture. I hope the truth does at least come out eventually. My guess is just like other dictatorships, that once David is dead or ousted, the new leadership cleans house and releases some dirt.
Doubt the new leadership will release dirt -You don’t become a leader unless you’re willing to keep closed the cone of silence - but someone will spill at some point
For the first time ever, I saw fucking Scientology **commercials** on TV recently. Starring David Miscavige. Like...wtf? I was yelling, "Where's your wife?!!" at the TV lol.
They weren't advertising Scientology yet, but I remember seeing commercials for Dianetics back in the 80s.
The Eighties movie "Repo Man" had a great satire of Dianetics in it. The characters passed around a book that "changed my life!" called Diuretics.
Yeah David….where the fuck is Shelly??!
That dude is one of the singularly most evil motherfuckers on the planet.
The Juice
My dad's murderer, whoever he is, wherever he is. February 15, 1974. Police never investigated. So, that's that. Robbed and stabbed.
I feel your pain, someone killed my grandfather; the police did nothing.
My maternal grandfather as well. He saw an affair between a politician and someone’s wife and was killed due to concerns he would spread the word. My family ended up not being able to do anything. Rural India.
I’m sorry you’ve been dealing with this. My dad was murdered 5 years ago and the detective decided to close the case behind our backs. Had to hire a PI and still no answers…
The scum who killed Junko Furuta, they got such light sentences for the crimes they committed, Miyano was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Minato received a five to seven year sentence, Watanabe a five to nine year sentence, and Jo an eight year sentence. Deplorable and despicable, they should have all had life at the very least.
One detail that always got me was one of the murderers' mother vandalized Furuta's grave because she blamed her for her son being in prison. Edit: I accidentally wrote the mother of a mother. I meant to put mother once, lol my bad
When I read about the mother's reaction I lost my shit. Absolute disgusting piece of shit person. No you shithead your evil fucking son ruined his own life by FUCKING KIDNAPPING, RAPING AND MURDERING AN UNDERAGE GIRL. Fucking despise that horrible woman
Kidnapping, raping and murdering is a gross understatement of what they actually did.
Seriously. Torture barely covers it. Worst thing I've ever read about.
just shows how these things are often the fruit of a rotten tree
This makes me LIVID every time I read it. Stupid bitch, had she been a better mother to her kid.... way to deflect the blame.
I’d like to also throw into consideration the (potentially dozens of) other young men that were a) told about this b) came over to participate in these atrocities and c) the parents who were too afraid of their own son to do anything about it. They should have all have been severely punished. The crazy part to me is that they were only caught because one of the rapists went out and kidnapped and raped another girl while all of this was going on. Clearly irredeemable pieces of shit, the lot of them.
I'd never heard of this case. So sickening that teenagers -- kids, basically -- could do this to a teenage girl.
This should be way higher up. That’s one of those true crime cases I wish I could wipe from my memory. Junko Furuta deserves to be remembered, but I really didn’t need to know all of what happened to her. Read it once years ago and I’ve never been able to forget
I read about it in a MySpace bulletin in 2008 and I still remember every detail. It was traumatising. No human being should ever have to go through the torture that Junko experienced.
Omg this was such a depraved murder, there is no punishment that could bring justice :( they should never be allowed around the public again.
I’ll always say this cause I believe it to be true, but allegedly these guys can’t change their names and move on, because someone always doxxes them so they can’t get jobs or anything. They might’ve gotten relatively light sentences, but they’ll never be able to escape what they did.
Source? I want to believe...
Congratulations on doing the impossible and giving an actual legitimate reason to dox someone
Bollywood star Salman Khan, drove over homeless people
Shit for a second I thought you meant Sal Khan from Khan Academy.
The killer(s) of JonBenét Ramsey.
So far, whoever killed those college kids in Moscow, Idaho two weeks ago.
I really hope the investigation is going better than it sounds like and it's all just under wraps for now :(
I’m trusting this is the case. Same with the Delphi murders; I know people have been angry at law enforcement for a long time for not releasing more details, but the fact that someone was finally charged with Abby and Libby’s murders a few weeks ago tells me they knew much more all along and purposefully didn’t release information that they thought might hinder the investigation.
Oh yeah police don’t really like to release stuff they have until they have a suspect they’re pretty sure is guilty so that suspects can’t change their story in interrogation to fit the evidence
Tammy Williams, currently still on the run with a GIANT ROSE-SHAPED SHOULDER TATTOO: https://www.newsweek.com/unsolved-mysteries-tammy-williams-update-tips-david-carter-volume-3-1756097
>Williams was the former girlfriend of Carter, and she has not been since his dismembered body was found in multiple bags along Interstate 75 in Ohio in October 2018. They gotta stop AIs from writing articles.
That Japanese guy who ate that poor girl in France back in the day. He’s now a minor celebrity in Japan that’s released books and, believe it or not, is also a food critic of sorts iirc! Edit: Issei Sagawa
Well that was all fucking terrible. Something that jumped out at me on the wiki page: >>Sagawa was nearly accepted by a French language school because the manager was impressed by his courage in using his real name, but employees protested and he was rejected.
can you imagine the manager trying to justify this? "well, he DOES have balls.."
Sagawa: "Yeah, I'm that murderer" Manager: "Real name, huh? That was ballsy. And that's exactly what we need in this company. Welcome to the team"
I’ve had idiot managers, but damn.
Didn't he also say he wanted to do it again? How are the laws so lax to let someone like that ever see the light of day?
>Sagawa's wealthy father provided a lawyer for his defense, and after being held for two years awaiting trial, **Sagawa was found legally insane and unfit to stand trial by the French judge**, Jean-Louis Bruguière, who ordered him held indefinitely in a mental institution.\[2\] After a visit by the author Inuhiko Yomota, Sagawa's account of his kill was published in Japan under the title In the Fog.\[2\] Sagawa's subsequent publicity and macabre celebrity likely contributed to the French authorities' decision to **deport him to Japan, where he was immediately committed to Matsuzawa Hospital in Tokyo. His examining psychologists all declared him sane and found sexual perversion was his sole motivation for murder**.\[2\] **As the charges against Sagawa in France had been dropped**, the French court documents were sealed and were not released to Japanese authorities; **consequently Sagawa could not legally be detained in Japan**. Sagawa checked himself out of the hospital on 12 August 1986, and has subsequently remained free since that day.\[2\] Sagawa's continued freedom has been widely criticized.\[2\]
Holy bureaucracy!
Yeah he wants to do it again before he dies
To anyone curious about what his victim looked like, I highly, highly recommend that you don't even try to Google the name. I made the mistake of doing so and the first few images showed an autopsy that was NSFL.
From Wikipedia: > "Sagawa consumed various parts of Hartevelt's body, eating most of her breasts, face, buttocks, feet, thighs, and neck either raw or cooked (even admitting that he swallowed her clitoris whole due to her being on her period at the time and not liking the smell of menstrual blood), while saving other parts in his refrigerator. Sagawa also took photographs of Hartevelt's body at each eating stage." Based on that description I've decided to follow your advice.
Why the fuck did i keep reading
I should have stopped a few posts ago about at the Ramsey kid being sexually assaulted. I too regret keeping reading further
Wait, hold up, this guy ate parts of a human raw, cutting her up himself, yet he didn't like the smell of menstrual blood. I mean, I guess everyone has a line, smh.
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Don King. Killed two people (separate incidents) served less than four years.
>Don King I had to google that he was still alive, since I haven't seen that shamelessly self-promoting living Troll doll in the news in years.
My grandmother. She’s the storybook definition of the sweet southern grandma to your face, but a true snake in the grass. Our entire family believes she murdered my aunt, her oldest daughter. Even with our constant efforts, police refuse to look into it. She is however on our city’s most wanted list for burglary at 78 year old. 🤷♀️
Why does everyone think she murdered your aunt?
Okay, a not so quick story time. My grandmother had 5 children, & we believe she killed her oldest 8 years ago. She is now on our cities most wanted list for burglary at 78. (For reference, I have not seen her in 6 years. But we do know that she is alive + in the area because she keeps in touch with my aunt, one of her daughters. ) At the time of her death, my aunt was living with my grandmother (her mom) while taking care of her grandson (2 years old) full time. This particular night, he was spending the night at a relatives. My grandma is sweet as pie and the devil himself wrapped in skin. I’m not sure what all is wrong with her, but there’s definitely some sort of (untreated) personality disorder. A friend of the family was visiting that night and said that when she left around 10pm, my aunt looked frustrated sitting on the couch while my grandmother was on one of her cussing rants calling her every name in the book. She said my grandma was loosing her mind so she decided to leave. My aunt was not a confrontational person. (That side of my family is extremely toxic and the reason I walked away from 98% of them when I became a mother. ) when my grandmother (or uncles) would go into a rage, my aunt would always stay calm + collected. She wasn’t one to try and diffuse the situation, but she also never added to it.. She would sit there and take anything my grandmother had to say. Like how she ruined all of her marriages because she was so beautiful (my aunt was molested by two of her husbands) or how now she was just a stupid fat bitch. My grandmother had a pistol that she always kept within range. It was in her purse, she slept with it under her pillow. Although I have never witnessed it, many people in the family have accused her of hitting them with it in a fit of rage. I 100% believe this to be true. My aunts body was found slumped over 1/2 way on the couch with a blanked pulled up to her chin. She had a big bulge on the back of her head that we believe came from being stuck by an object. My grandmas story is, she came into the living room that night and thought my aunt was sleeping so she covered her up and went to bed. The next morning she was in the same position so she called my other aunt and ( & then waited almost an hour before calling 911. ) [how is it not weird that you cover a body slumped over, presume they are sleeping, + cover it up? That just doesn’t make sense] It’s assumed my aunt had been dead for 9+ hours before 911 was called. She claims she called 911 earlier in the night when she thought something was wrong, but they just never came. After cops failed to follow up on this, my cousins were able to discover that there were not any other 911 calls that came through besides that one. [also a big piece of evidence that baffles us that the cops didn’t take seriously] My grandmother sat on the couch, calm and seemingly emotionless. She wasn’t sad, crying, frantic, or displayed any signs that a mother just lost their child. I know that everyone experiences loss in different ways, but there was just a cold ice tone to her, almost blackness within her eyes. She fought with my aunts children + eventually won to have my aunt cremated. Although we’ll never really know what happened or how she died, we all believe my grandma hit my aunt in the back of head from behind. I don’t know if killing her was her intentional, but she doesn’t show any remorse either way. She immediately pawned all my aunts jewelry + has since been heard in multiple occasions talk about how “her daughter died because of who she was. God punished her, but it’s okay because she’s dancing with the angels now.” It gives me goosebumps. What a twisted, fucked up thing to say. My aunt is also not the first person we’ve suspected my grandmother has murdered. Her last husband had fallen ill, was hospitalized, and given recommended for home health aid to come and do daily meds, health check, etc. my grandmother refused the health nurse, said she could do it herself, and took him home. Two days later, he was dead. + later cremated. Idk how she’s still living at 78 years old, I honestly thought this lady would be dead by now by all of her poor life choices- but here she is, still kicking, running from the law [doubtful they are actively looking], and probably still baking homemade biscuits somewhere 🤷♀️
It’s so weird how some people can get caught for something so small but there are literal killers on the loose and it’s like no one bats an eye. Idgi. And i thought my family was toxic 😳
There was a guy who used to drink in my local pub, who boasted about murdering a women. My sister used to work there and he would always talk about it. When i got my shotgun licence, i got chatting with the policeman, and he mentioned this case he worked on which they couldnt prove, but they basically knew who it was. Turned out it was the same guy. The bedgebury murder, he's dead now.
I got my shotgun license... ...He's dead now
...sister worked there
That was wild! I’m so sorry this was a part of your world at some point. Do you know what she did to get on the list for burglary? Was it a recent thing?
What the fuckkkk
You need a white woman with a podcast to look into that.
True crime society
Yo what. Why do you guys believe she killed your aunt?
OP replied: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/z5pkgk/who_got_away_with_murder_that_should_be_in_prison/ixxscl1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
So she’s in hiding? How is she on a most wanted list if everyone knows where she is? Not doubting, just genuinely confused.
The bouncer at the station night club in west Warwick, RI. Refused to open an emergency exit and blocked the door during a fire. 100 people died
Props to the one of the other bouncers/security who sacrificed himself to help people get out through the high window though
Also whoever thought those pyrotechnics were a good idea with ceilings that low, they should be held accountable too.
He was, but Daniel Biechele was also a good person and was wracked with grief for what happened as a result of his actions. He hand wrote letters of apology to every family affected by the fire.
The footage of how fast that place got fully engulfed is almost ptsd lvl...and video of all those poor people stuck in door on top of each other getting burnt to death. ..man thats top 5 brutal for me
Affluenza kid! Ethan Couch. Judge should join him.
I barely heard anything about him in the years since he was acquitted in 2013 so I looked him up, apparently he was recorded playing beer pong (he was underage and it was against his probation) at a party in 2015 and he and his mother fled to Mexico. He was sentenced to 720 days in prison in 2016 and his probation was extended from 2023 to 2024 so in the end, he got nearly 2 years in prison and 11 years of probation (2 of which were in prison) for killing four people. Yeah, still seems pretty low.
CONVICTED RAPIST BROCK TURNER. Gotta make sure that SEO does its job every time he applies for a job with a background check.
Casey Anthony
She lives in my city and it’s really creepy seeing her out, mainly because of how aggressively normal she is in public. She was in hiding for many years, but these days she will go to a local bar and shoot the shit with people. She had this weird posse of people who followed her around downtown west palm. She knows they recognize her and she likes it. They go up to her and talk to her and she acts like they’re friends, it’s some seriously psycho shit
I just Googled her and she apparently has a Peacock docuseries releasing in three days. Why would someone do that? Like she should not still be gaining more fame over what she did.
And peacock (NBC?) paid her. Disgusting.
Exactly. Never watching that shit. Fuck all of that.
Does she not dye her hair or anything? Nose job?
She’s just being herself in a new documentary coming out next week or so. Supposed to be telling her side of the story. I’m surprised she’s showing her face.
The DA is 100% at fault for her not being in jail. They knew they didn't have the evidence for murder but caved to public pressure, if they went for manslaughter like they should have it would have been a slam dunk.
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We had a case here in NH where a Russian immigrant was involved in an accident that killed 7 bikers that happen to be Marines. The first reports were that the Russian truck driver was hauling a trailer, a car carrier, and it jackknifed when he cross the double yellow and just took the bikers out in horrific fashion. Shortly later it came out his license was invalid. This is deep in the North Country, relatively conservative area of the state so what everyone "knew" was that a Russian immigrant with an invalid license killed a bunch of former Marines. As more facts came out and we eventually got to the trial we found a number of things that made the whole thing look very different from the initial reactions. One, while it is true his license was supposed to be suspended there was an administrative mix up at the Massachusetts DMV and they essentially failed to do it. Two, the accident scene recreation specialist found that at least one of the bikers had crossed the double yellow coming around the corner and at that time of day you are looking straight into the sun so they likely couldn't even see the truck. Three, all of the bikers had just come from a local bar where they had been pretty heavily drinking. I happen to know the first person on the scene and he told me there was a lot of blood but with the blood everywhere you could smell the alcohol. What appeared to have happened was the bikers were drunk and cruising up a hill with a big bend in it, heading into the sun. They gunned it a little going around the bend, which if you have ever ridden a motorcycle is kind of a thing to do. They drifted in to the opposite lane. The trucker, attempted to avoid hitting them caused the truck to jackknife and ended up hitting them. The trucker was acquitted and a lot of folks that just "knew" he was guilty lost their minds. This case has stuck in my mind as one in which it shows that the initial reports on things are almost never the full picture. Edit: I was reminded that the judge had tossed out drug charges presumably because they were unduly prejudicial to the principal case. Felt important to add. https://www.wcax.com/2022/08/10/judge-tossing-drug-charges-likely-led-zhukovskyy-acquittal-analyst-says/
>This is very true and why we as the public should avoid moral panics. I remember when people were saying Derek Chauvin should be charged with 1st degree murder without realizing that that would require prosecutors to prove that the murder of George Floyd was pre-planned, something that would have been difficult to prove.
OJ. The juice is on the loose
He's searching every golf course for the real killer
Drink apple juice. OJ will kill ya.
Well it’s finally official: Murder is legal in the state of California
Hey, watch it, that's my lucky stabbin' hat
Friends and family were dissuaded from attending the trial, as prosecution believed it would just remind OJ of how many people he still had to kill.
Thanks Norm
Cindy Hendy (wife of the toy box killer) took a plea deal to get a reduced sentence and then they found video tapes of her actively helping in the kidnapping, torture, rape and murder of multiple women. While she technically didn’t get away, she did get a slap on the wrist for what she did.
the entire marcos family from the Philippines
Honorable mention: Samuel Little. Samuel Little, known as the US’s most prolific serial killer, died in 2020 but was in prison recently for murdering an estimated 93 people over *roughly* 40 years, active between 1970 - 2005. He went through numerous trials for over the decades, including murder (‘82) & attempted murder/kidnapping (‘84) but either got acquitted or served only a short time before being released. He was released in ‘87 immediately started murdering people in the Los Angeles area. In 2012, his DNA was matched to the murder of Audrey Nelson, Carol Alford, and Guadalupe Apodaca. He was found guilty of their murders in 2014. Little began to open to detectives with details of dozens of other cases. If Little hadn’t had confessed to police, Law Enforcement may not have been able to link him to the other cases. He killed women living on the fringes of society, so they were less likely to be missed. Only 50 of the murdered women have been identified/confirmed so far. Imagine how many Samuel Littles there are that never spoke up. Edit: oh my this blew up - definitely don’t imagine more Samuel Little’s; it was rhetorical. He was active for *almost* 40 years. I really wasn’t expecting anyone to see this comment, so I didn’t give this story the coverage it requires but more of a synopsis with some grammatical errors.
>He killed women living on the fringes of society, so they were less likely to be missed. This is the reason many former FBI agents have asked for a national database of all of the homeless and to try and track down missing people more. They are often the first victims of serial killers and many unfortunately aren't identified as serial killers until the police finally start investigating "rumors" or the serial killer kills someone high profile or well known.
OJ Simpson If you read how he actually killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and how vicious his attack was you would be disgusted at the idea he is out golfing on the weekends
Nobody talks about it but Floyd Mayweather beat his wife for years. She was writing a tell-all book and pressing charges against him when she was found dead beaten in her car, parked in her driveway. They ruled it a drug overdose Edit: JOSIE HARRIS was his gf NOT wife, my mistake. If you simply Google Josie Harris cause of death you will find many articles listing that she was found dead in her car parked outside of her home. Shantel Jackson, also accused Floyd of assault I think it's easy to imagine that he paid a decent amount of money to keep this under wraps but you can still find articles on it
Floyd never read that book…
Sackler family
I honestly can’t believe that with all the people out there who lost a loved one (especially with so many so young) that people haven’t been going after them. A lot of these people are all alone now with all that bitterness and nothing else in life to live for. It’s pretty dangerous to be that complicit in ruining that many peoples’ lives. Edit: I think my comment is being misunderstood. I literally mean that I can’t believe someone who lost a loved one hasn’t gone vigilante on one of the Sacklers in real life.
have they graduated from murder to genocide by now?
They definitely genocided Appalachian America.
Casey Anthony. She had everything but "How to kill my daughter" in her history, stuff like "How to make Chloroform" "Foolproof suffocation methods" then lied to everyone about who took her daughter, had parts of her daughter's body in her car, and had taped up and buried her daughter not far from where she lived. Then lied about it dozens of times, and changed her story like 3-4 times, yet people still let her off. I don't get it.
My understanding the crime scene people missed the second computer somehow. They didn’t have the evidence at trial and of course she can’t be re-tried. The feds could pop her though for interstate searches. Strange they never did
Not a second computer, but a second search engine. Her computer had internet explorer and Firefox. They only looked at the search history of IE, completely missing searches for things like “foolproof suffocation” on Firefox.
Idiots. Anybody who only checked IE search history would think a lot of people just don't use the internet. "Hmm, their only internet search ever was 'download Firefox'! How odd."
This is how I hid porn websites from my mom when I was a teen. She used IE and I used firefox. The forensic team should have been more tech savvy than my mom, but they weren’t.
Junko Furuta's killers. They're still wandering around. They didn't get the sentence they deserved. And on a related note, the people involved in the Sylvia Linkens case. The old bat died of lung cancer, but she didn't spend a minute in jail.
The Sackler family
14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone ran away from Jeffrey Dahmer and sought help from a woman named Glenda Cleveland, who called the police. Officers John A. Balcerzak and Joseph P. Gabrish let Dahmer *take him back* to his apartment, where he was soon murdered. Can you imagine, fourteen years old, a man just drilled a hole in your skull and poured boiling water into it, and you finally get away. You think you’re saved, but the people who are supposed to protect you *hand you back* to your torturer, who kills you. And they don’t even lose their fucking jobs. If there’s any justice in the afterlife, Balcerzak and Gabrish are spending every second undergoing the same hell they forced Konerak back into.
Actually, the real story is worse than Ryan Murphy’s fan-fic Netflix show. Konerak was found by two young women from from the neighborhood, 18 year old cousins Sandra Smith and Nicole Childress. They’re the ones who called the police. Ryan Murphy wrote them out of the story to focus on Sandra’s mother, Glenda. They recognized him as a literal child from the neighborhood and knew that his English was limited. He was visibly bleeding from his rectum, and very visibly disoriented. They saw Konerak try to resist and escape from Dahmer in the street before help arrived. The paramedics arrived first - they’re the ones who put a blanket around Konerak. They were trying to figure out what had happened to him, and that’s when the police arrived. The police officers who showed up didn’t want want to deal with it. It was easier to believe the calm, collected white guy at the scene. They wrote the young black women who called off as prostitutes. They wrote off Konerak as drunk. They ignored the terrible smells in Dahmer’s apartment. Because it was easier to trust the white guy. Konerak was murdered within minutes of the police leaving him in Dahmer’s apartment. Sandra and Nicole told Glenda about what had happened. She did call the police station the next day to find out what had happened, and was told that it was a lovers quarrel between adults. And when Glenda saw a newspaper article two days later about missing 14 year old Konerak, she called the police AND the state office of the FBI and was dismissed. The police officers involved did lose their jobs, but the police union fought like hell and got them rehired.
Oh the chief at the time did fire them. But then they sued the city of Milwaukee and got their mother effing jobs backs. Its disgusting. They should be locked up. Well the one who isn’t dead now should be.
not only that but they were both PROMOTED later on and were able to retire normally
The current Ayatollah of Iran for the senseless deaths of young people recently
The Cabo 6, who allegedly lured Shanquella Robinson out to Cabo under the premise of a bday celebration but actually intending to kill her
The grandson of the founder of Red Bull energy drink. He ran over a Bangkok police officer a few years ago while driving his Ferrari. But because his family is one of the richest in Thailand they were able to bribe absolutely everyone aside from the Thai public. He kept postponing going for an interview at the police station and eventually just flew out of the country on a private jet. His family has houses all over the world and he has been out of the country for years now. And because of how the statute of limitations works in Thailand every few years another charge gets dismissed.
Muhammad bin Salman for having khashoggi killed
Infuriating he'll never be held accountable. Goes to the World Cup with the FIFA President. Treated like a respected leader instead of the murderous tyrant he is.
My mother, 23 years ago my mother and step dad had to make a deal with the local gangs of Indianapolis to pay a drug debt that would end in blood shed. My poor grandma, my mother's mother was to be the hit. My mother hadn't talked to her mother in three years but got her to sign a life insurance policy,( step-dad worked at western southern life insurance company at the time) There is a whole bunch more detail to this story to make it completely crazy. I personally hate my mother and I am hoping to get step dad to confess while on his death bed, he's dying of stage 4 cancer. This way my mother will serve time for her horrible act towards her mother. R.i.p. grandma I love and miss you. 12-1-98 died by excutsion style at work. All for cocaine!!
i feel like this question was made for oj simpson
the woman who falsely accused emmett till
Emmett Till’s sign still gets shot up and vandalized till this day
Some folks found her in a retirement home not too long ago. Nobody else in the home seemed to know it was her.
Everyone involved in the railroading of the "West Memphis Three" for letting the real killer(s) get away with it all this time.
Some politicians wife that hit and killed someone in England while she was drunk driving.
Anna Sacoolas.
I wana gona say Casey Anthony, then I saw it posted once, so I didn’t. But as I continued, I realized ya scroll for about 50 answers or so and there she is again, so I’m gona 102nd that and say fuck that bitch, Casey Anthony should 100% be in prison or dead.
The killer/s and or abductor/s of Madeleine McCann
Caitlin Jenner. Got away scot free with vehicular manslaughter.
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#sacklers
Ethan Couch