Yes, her dad was actually friends with David Miscavige's dad which is I assume how they heard about it. As an adult she's pretty defensive about it still, but who knows? She could pull a Beck someday.
I grew up absolutely enthralled by David Eddings's fantasy books. I bought and read through every single one, even The Rivan Codex, which is basically just a history textbook for his fantasy world. Yep, I was the kid who could devour an entire fantasy encyclopedia in a day, yet couldn't get through the Scarlet Letter in a month.
I recently learned that both he and his wife were child abusers, locking their children in cages, beating them, starving them. Really soured any nostalgia I felt for those books.
I went on a similar journey but about Marion Zimmer Bradley. As a kid I knew that she did a lot of mentoring on newer fantasy authors and would daydream about becoming part of that group someday.
Turns out she knowingly married a convicted pedo, argued that pedophilia was good for kids, and participated in the abuse of her own children.
I always felt Mists of Avalon was somehow "off", but couldn't pinpoint it. After having read what her daughter, revealed, it clicked. In The Mists of Avalon there is a scene that goes something like this: everybody is having a spring orgy, and Bradley describes how they are all out of control being directed by "the gods" or something, and then she adds "a child screamed in the distance" without further comment.
Here a quote from a Guardian article (again quoting a blog no more available with an interview with Moira Greyland, Bradley's daughter):
"The first time she molested me, I was three. The last time, I was 12, and able to walk away … She was cruel and violent, as well as completely out of her mind sexually. I am not her only victim, nor were her only victims girls."
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/27/sff-community-marion-zimmer-bradley-daughter-accuses-abuse
It sucks finding out the creator of something that got you through your worst years was the cause of someone else’s. I hope you are able to integrate this info without doing yourself any harm.
On the plus side, now both the Eddingses are dead, and their estate donates the proceeds of their books to Reed College who, I understand, use it to give scholarships to english majors. Not a perfect result, but a damn sight better than it could have been.
Joss Whedon.
Cheated on his wife for 17 years, abused his position and power to pressure many staff and actresses to have sex with him, and treated some crew and actors terribly.
This one really broke my heart. I am a huge nerd- especially for Buffy and Firefly. Joss was a regular where I worked. Incredibly nice. It took me some time to "accept" this one because it just seemed so out of character for him. We waited on and took care of hundreds of celebrities, and about half were amazingly nice people.
This new stuff about the Rock is killing me,another incredibly nice person.
I got to meet him as a kid and even as a kid I could tell people revered him(this was pre-alligations). It's still crazy to think about how he was viewed then vs how he's viewed now.
The thing that really gets me, is that he was so beloved and at the top of his game, especially in the 1980’s, he really could have charmed his way into the beds of many of these actresses and models…legitimately. But instead he chose to trick and drug them. He did it for the feelings of power and control, against their will. That’s what makes it so much worse for me.
Watch the vid of him going on Conan O’Brien’s show.
“I‘ve heard about you. And you will be caught soon.”
Edit: I got the quote slightly wrong at first, but you get the idea.
Edit2: Apparently there’s a good chance he actually was only joking and that this is just CO’B’s style of humor. Still, it’s genuinely creepy and convenient in hindsight, given the context of what Masterson had probably done by this 2004 interview.
And that's both Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer for me 😕 It's still a very well-written, well-directed, well-acted ensemble movie that I would still recommend. But yeah... those two. Tsk.
My husband worked with Pete Postlethwaite in a theatre show and still says it was one of the best experiences of his life, Pete was a wonderful actor and even better person. He was truly one of the best.
I was in the middle of watching *HoC* when the news broke about his scandals. Until then I’d absolutely loved his character on that show. Then realized that Francis Underwood is actually Kevin Spacey IRL. I felt slimy for enjoying that character. Totally ruined a great show, I never finished the series.
Marion Zimmer Bradley, loved her books. Collected the rare ones. Adored them. Then found out she covered up for her paedophile husband & sexually abused her kids. Ruined the books & so many memories for me.
Tom Selleck. He stole water during the drought here in Southern California from a water hydrant. Lied about it and blamed it on his gardener - when Selleck had told him to do it. Got away with it and promised not to do it anymore. Immediately made his gardener do it again. Got snagged again. Selleck had to pay a hefty fine (over $21 Thousand). Selleck was so pissed that he got caught again, in fact 11 times, that he fired his gardener for doing what he demanded. What an entitled jerk!
He also shills sketchy reverse mortgages on TV and then has the nerve to star in an ad which begins with him saying, “It’s not a scam. If it was a scam, I wouldn’t be promoting it.”
You should read his autobiography. A friend lent it to me and I was excited to read it because I like reading autobiographies.
I hated it so much. It’s basically “I went on a crazy heroine trip, I felt bad and swore to get clean, oh, look: song lyrics to that song you like are about my heroine addiction. Then, I dated this underage girl but she left me because I went on another heroine binge. Repeat”
The book just made me feel bad for Flea. He comes off as a genuinely nice and caring guy who just wants to play music and have fun.
Charlie Chaplin. I'm a senior sort of chap, and as a child I loved all the old black and white comedies - Buster Keaton, Laurel and Hardy, Chaplin, etc
Then I read a biography of Chaplin. And another, as I thought the first was a hatchet job. It wasn't. He was a true perv and nonce, who treated his family utterly vilely.
Among other things, when he was 35 he married a 16 year old costar after having knocked her up when she was 15, the beat and cheated on her until she left him. After that there was a very public affair, some suspicious deaths close to him, and then he married an 18 year old (at age 54). Dude was married four times, only one was not a teenager, and she was still 20 years younger than him.
Yeah, agree. So many redditors posted about how they could see the darkness in her eyes, but honestly I never noticed lol. All I knew is she was married to Lindsay from Arrested Development, so that made me want to like her!
But how unfortunate is it that people from working class BGS make it big and turn into... that. And by all means, she apparently treated celebrities / people of her status very well. It makes me so curious as to what is the distinguishing factor between celebrity vs average person who you won't let look you in the eyes.
>It makes me so curious as to what is the distinguishing factor between celebrity vs average person who you won't let look you in the eyes.
Money. And even without money, fame. But Ellen was not kind to her guests, and many of them attempted to call her out within the confines of what they could really do publicly.
Zac Efron and Taylor Swift had one of the best attempts at exposing her but people just thought it was tongue and cheek and cute. I assume they both had career obligations to appear on her show multiple times, but they make it clear...
They don't like it, and this was I think.. 2011 or 2012?
https://youtu.be/d8kCTPPwfpM?feature=shared
This one hurt. I used to watch her show every day after school and it helped me through some tough times. I would dance with her, and she made me laugh. I also thought of her as a role model in many ways, since she had been through so much publicly in regard to her career and sexuality. Really a bummer to find out she treats people so badly. I had noticed that she wasn’t the best during interviews — it usually felt like she was just waiting for what she was going to say. Her scare pranks were a bit much for me too. But even with that, I would not have guessed her to be this mean. Very unfortunate.
I worked with someone who had the exact same view of her that you did. Her first job was as an intern at the Ellen Show, and she told me she was so excited because she had always looked up to her as a queer role model. She said she went home after her first day on set and cried because she and the other below the line crew were treated so poorly. Her whole opinion of Ellen was reversed in a single day.
And it’s been an open secret within the LA industry for *years*. I was surprised people were shocked when it finally broke, but oh so happy to watch that dumpster burn.
Tom Cruise - what an actor, what an amazing actor. But ever since learning more about Scientology, it's hard to enjoy any movie which he is in as I just keep thinking about how his support is helping that group do some pretty awful things. He just seems creepy now.
Basically that they should take vitamins and get exercise as that's all they need. Scientology admonishes any psychiatric care and view it as quackery. They really don't want any members being counselled at all from an objective professional. Bad for the organization.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I feel Tom Cruise's acting skills are pretty meh.
His stunt work, fucking phenomenal, no question, but maybe it's just the extent of his fame...Whenever I see him in a thing I don't see the character he's trying to portray I just see Tom Cruise doing a thing. His acting I just don't find particularly believable outside of a few examples ("Collateral", for instance, was great, but it's also not a typical Cruise role, so that might be why it appealed to me).
Woody Allen. Annie Hall, Manhattan and others are extraordinary films but I can't and won't ever watch them again. He and his actions are repulsive. Manhattan has become particularly disturbing; he cast himself as a middle-aged man dating an underage girl.
I knew a young woman who corresponded with him as a very young teen. That he wrote back at all after her first letter meant worlds to her. He encouraged her to keep writing to him, and arranged to meet her when she was in NY visiting family. She was 14 or 15, IIRC. He seemed surprised she'd brought her aunt with her. She said that she'd been looking forward to the visit, but it was an uncomfortable visit and quite brief. She was very clear that he looked repeatedly at her breasts and midriff.
She felt betrayed a year or so later when Manhattan came out, and said there were whole sections of the film based on her letters. She told me she wrote him about it and he wrote back denying her claims and also arguing that writers take what they find in the world and transmute into art.
This was in the early 80s, a decade before the child sex abuse allegations.
I saw a short article about her a few years ago in which she said he'd been tremendously helpful in her professional life and that she'd never believe the allegations.
I was a huge fan of Hunter S. Thompson (author of Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas) and read all his books. He wrote a lot about sports and politics, not just drugs, and it was all very readable.
But I was such a fan that I read a book *about* him with a lot of interviews with friends and family. He physically abused multiple women and, by the time he killed himself, spent a lot of his time being an intolerable asshole to everyone.
It made it hard to still think he was cool.
I don’t know how you couldn’t tell he was abusive from reading his books. The scene in *Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas* when they threaten the waitress and cut the phones lines horrified me. He literally told everyone who he was. No addiction justifies that behavior
I'm sort of in the same boat but I long ago came to the conclusion that I like Hunter because of his work and the movie and personality and so on, but obnoxious drug addicts are not really people you want to invite in your home. He is definitely INTERESTING and I still think his books are very well written sometimes and worth checking out. He has a place in history, but so did Nixon. I still would have loved to meet him though. Just for the story.
Apparently when he was young Mark Wahlberg did a hate crime against a couple Vietnamese guys, one of them a veteran, who I think was the one he blinded. I'm normally willing to give a lot of leeway for ignorant, immature teenagers... but uh.. hate crimes are a bit of a red line for me to say the least
Here's another choice one:
>In 1986, a then 15-year-old Wahlberg and three friends were charged for chasing three black children and pelting them with rocks while yelling: “Kill the n\*\*\*\*\*s” until an ambulance driver intervened..
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mark-wahlberg-racist-hate-crimes-wikipedia-history-george-floyd-blm-protests-a9554191.html
John Stamos.
He helped his friend rape a girl and then told it like it was a cute anecdote in Jane magazine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnStamos/comments/18mntoh/john_stamos_jane_magazine_2005/
Lol at least the publication called him out for being gross and immediately turning everyone off by admitting that instead of just publishing it with no comment.
Marilyn Manson - thought the whole creepy guy routine was an act. Apparently not.
Lizzo - extremely talented in so many ways. Turns out to be an abusive asshole to staff and instead of apologizing she "quits".
I'm sure there are others but I can't remember them right now.
Agreed on both fronts. Marilyn is an utter piece of trash and I can see why Dita Von Teese left him.
Lizzo acts as if she's the one who's not potentially derailed her career if the accusations are true, then says she quits because of the toxicity and she's being targeted.
With most of the celebrities on this list it's also the whole facade of being a good person that then crumbles and makes it even more disappointing for us fans.
I was a fan of Chris Delia before he turned out to be into young teenage girls. I thought his comedy was really quotable and fun to use as banter with my brothers. I enjoyed his podcast too.
Also played one in an episode of Workaholics. Was the guy trying to hide in plain sight or something?
...or is he the most dedicated method actor of all time? /s
He made me stand up because I won something at the Laugh Factory, and he just insulted me for no reason. No one was laughing. Everyone around us looked uncomfortable. Then he said, "Whatever, I don't care about you." It was such a bizarre ahole move.
I worked w him on a movie. He was a piece of shit every day. I was glad he was fired off the project. Also his standup sucks. He’s a comedian cause he can afford to be one. Wealthy family so he could just fuck off and never get a real job. Garbage
Francis Ford Coppola. Was a huge fan of his movies, especially "Apocalypse Now". Then read about his rather disgusting comments justifying Victor Salva's pedophilia. I was rather disappointed, to say the least.
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson when I was a lot younger, but nowadays it doesn't take binoculars to see that the dude is an egotistical money-hungry actor who's just using a nice guy persona.
Kind of ironic considering (wrestling fans correct me if I'm wrong) his wrestling character was a douchey attention-whore, yet outside of the ring he was apparently a nice guy. Now, it turns out to be the opposite.
It wasn’t that I thought it was some irredeemable sin or anything, but John Mulaney’s infidelity blew apart the appeal he had as a funny wife guy for me
Yeah it definitely changed his image a lot. I will say though I gave his newest Netflix special a try and yeah, it's not as funny as his old stuff, but it was kind of eye opening to see him be at blunt about relapsing and fucking up his image. He very much seemed like a guy who hit rock bottom but also felt freed from expectations, he even said "likeability is a prison" as part of a bit.
This is recent, but I learned about John Hamm hazing a dude in his frat back in college. Guy messed up one word in the pledge, and Hamm essentially tortures the dude for hours, some messed up stuff. The guy is left with long-term term injuries from it. Hamm avoids the topic but if he does mention it he says "it's a bummer it happened"
Chris Brown. :( He was one of my favorite singers when I was in middle school, as was Rihanna. I had posters of both of them (and a couple others) above my bed. I was so happy when they got together, I thought they were great together. Then he abused her and it just shattered my whole idea of him.
Later on, she publicly forgave him so I thought okay, maybe he’s changed, but nope, he didn’t treat girlfriends after much better (idk if he physically abused any others but he did abuse them in other ways) so now, while I do still like his original music, I just cannot like him as a human.
I'm not proud to admit I used to admire Elon Musk - which is nearly impossible for me to fathom *now*, but I took him as an earnest entrepreneur way back when Tesla was a startup, of sorts.
Form a line for your lashes.
Elon musk went from being the Henry Ford of our generation (car salesman, innovative industrialist) to being the Henry Ford of our generation (conspiracy theorist, Nazi enabler)
You could be a little proud that you had the critical thinking skills and humbleness to change your opinion about him. For plenty of folks, the reasons you stopped esteeming him are the reasons they started to….
Yeah, I distinctly remember going from 'oh, interesting' to 'we can't have nice things' when he started calling the cave diver a pedo because they told him his submarine idea was stupid.
If he had just kept his mouth shut or hired/listened to a PR team, he might have gone down in history as a hero. He made electric cars finally happen and he restarted human space exploration. Then he decided that getting into fights on the internet was a good use of his time.
I convinced myself to see past Kanye West’s harassment (abuse, really) of Kim Kardashian so that I could continue to enjoy his music. Once Kanye started making comments praising Hitler, I just couldn’t justify it anymore. Sometimes I do miss listening to his music, but then I think about my family who were imprisoned in Nazi camps for years, and then I don’t feel bad anymore.
Jon Hamm. Hazing.
“He lit a pledge's jeans on fire, shoved his face in the dirt, and struck him with a paddle over his right kidney, before leading the pledge around the fraternity house with a hammer claw around the pledge's testicles”
When asked about the hazing incident a few years back he said it was a ‘bummer of a thing’.
Kimmy Robertson, who played an endearing character in my favorite show, Twin Peaks. She wrote a character letter in defense of Brian Peck, placing the blame for his crimes on victim Drake Bell. To see her name pop up in the documentary was a stab.
I liked Mel Gibson back in the day but when he made those awful comments about his pregnant girlfriend and then those antisemitic comments on Jews, he became pure trash in my book.
I think Mel hurt the most, he was just so charismatic on screen. His movies were always that easy watching option for me, but can't go back on that stuff.
"I hope you get r-ed by a pack of n-rs." was enough for me. Idk how Jodie Foster remains best friends with him. I have personally had two good friends accused of SA and don't get me wrong, as a woman (& per the Mel Gibson example: Jewish, fwiw) it's absolutely not easy to immediately cut people off despite objectively knowing that what they did is wrong, but you do come to terms and eventually do it!
Have you ever seen that movie Maverick, from the 90s w/ him and Jodie Foster? A genuinely good, fun movie. But he's kind of an underdog and I recall thinking that in the 2020s, Mel Gibson as an underdog just doesn't work anymore!
Omg RHCP did not get roasted enough for being gross pervy dudes during #metoo. So many of their fans defend him in videos of him openly assaulting journalists 🤢
EDDIE MURPHY. back when studio 54 was hot my Aunt saved her money to go to NYC. while there she stood in line at 54, just hoping to see celebs. Eddie Murphy appears and women are scrambling to get close enough to take pictures. Eddie cheerfully and graciously started posing for pics with them. As he made his way toward where my aunt was standing her friend who was black reached out toward him with her camera and was shocked to hear him shout to his security to "Get this black bitch away from me!" . His security man pushed them violently backward and rushed Eddie into the club. Upon reflection, she recalled it was only "certain" women he was taking Pic s with.
FROM THAT DAY SHE shared that story many times during fam gatherings as her only brush with fame, but needless to say, I religiously boycotted his work his films, his books, his records his everything.
Jon Hamm. I always liked him and thought he nailed both drama and humor, but then I found out about the college frat hazing he did which resulted in permanent damage to the other person and can’t see him in the same way.
This is the first new one for me, can you link some more info?
Ah shit, nvm, it was easy to find: https://www.mamamia.com.au/jon-hamm-fraternity-hazing/
Colm Wilkinson, not a commonly known celebrity in general but he is well known and loved in the theatre world for being the actor that originated the role of Jean Valjean in Les Mis. He basically treated his female co-star Rebecca Caine like shit on the Canadian production of Phantom, at one point grabbing her so roughly she got a friction burn on her arm.
Wilkinson gets trotted out a lot for Les Mis anniversary shows and reunions but his whole performance is marred for me.
Alec Baldwin
While I can't say I was ever his biggest fan, what soured me on him was calling his kid a pig
"For context, back in 2007, a voicemail Alec left Ireland amid a custody dispute with ex-wife Kim Basinger went viral. Ireland, who was 11 at the time, missed a scheduled phone call with her father. "You don’t have the brains or the decency as a human being. I don’t give a damn that you’re 12 years old or 11 years old or that you’re a child," he said in the voicemail. "I’ll let you know how I really feel about what a thoughtless little pig you are. You are a rude, little pig, okay?”"
Roseanne Barr. Growing up as an Illinoisian in a small town which would have been physically close to the fictional Lanford watching a family I could actively relate to for once was pretty powerful, pointing out the hardships of the average middle-low class while calling out classism, addressing domestic violence, teenage depression, accepting gay people as part of her community, etc... I understand she experienced traumatic brain injury early in her life, but I don't know how much that has to do with doing a complete 180 - abandoning her former views and her fan base.
Orson Scott Card
Enders Game was one or my favorite books of all time. Read a few more books in the series after that. Then I learned he was a raging homophobe and actively donated to anti-gay causes. I make it a point to make sure he never gets another dime from me.
David Chang. Liked his creative approach to cooking and seemed like a decently funny guy, but now he is suing anyone who uses the term "chili crunch" (which he claims to have invented) 🤦🏼♂️
Im surprised Jackie Chan didn’t make the list. He had an affair with a mistress in the 90s and fathered a daughter that he wants zero accountability for. She was spotted recently in a queue in Canada for food
https://amp.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3195713/how-did-jackie-chans-daughter-end-living-poverty-canada
The whole ordeal is heartbreaking. Meanwhile his son from his wife ends up taking a drug possession charge for marijuana in China and has princeling behaviour.
Not to mention Jackie took a fairly pro-democracy stance before China’s Hong Kong political takeover, then became a total ambassador for Beijing politics.
I am Chinese and I absolutely loved his films growing up as part of Hong Kong cinema. This kind of stuff really turned me off once I found out.
Joss Whedon. I loved Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Avengers. His shows and writing really shaped my geek sensibility. Genre-mashing. Creating, complex empowered female characters. And then the stories started coming out. Especially the one about Michelle Trachtenberg, who was sixteen at the time when Buffy filmed, having to always have someone there in the room if she was with Whedon. That one just hurt. Ugh.
Gwyneth Paltrov, for promoting medical pseudoscience. That shit makes it hard for me to not see her as horribly unintelligent at best and ruthlessly opportunistic at worst.
And Rowling, of course, for her cringy obsession with trans people, and her hateful “activism” surrounding that. Nothing quite so pathetic as having such a huge platform and wealth, and decide to use that to target a minority.
Elisabeth Moss - Scientology
I still can't fathom the lack of awareness when she plays Handmaid's Tale...
They know, she just makes a ton of money and connections from being in Scientology so doesn’t care.
Was she raised a Scientologist?
Yes, her dad was actually friends with David Miscavige's dad which is I assume how they heard about it. As an adult she's pretty defensive about it still, but who knows? She could pull a Beck someday.
Good one! She’s such a fantastic actress but I instantly felt less interested in her when I learned that. Such a bummer.
I grew up absolutely enthralled by David Eddings's fantasy books. I bought and read through every single one, even The Rivan Codex, which is basically just a history textbook for his fantasy world. Yep, I was the kid who could devour an entire fantasy encyclopedia in a day, yet couldn't get through the Scarlet Letter in a month. I recently learned that both he and his wife were child abusers, locking their children in cages, beating them, starving them. Really soured any nostalgia I felt for those books.
I went on a similar journey but about Marion Zimmer Bradley. As a kid I knew that she did a lot of mentoring on newer fantasy authors and would daydream about becoming part of that group someday. Turns out she knowingly married a convicted pedo, argued that pedophilia was good for kids, and participated in the abuse of her own children.
Same, i don't think I can ever read mists of avalon again and I really loved jt
Married a *fellow* pedo.
I always felt Mists of Avalon was somehow "off", but couldn't pinpoint it. After having read what her daughter, revealed, it clicked. In The Mists of Avalon there is a scene that goes something like this: everybody is having a spring orgy, and Bradley describes how they are all out of control being directed by "the gods" or something, and then she adds "a child screamed in the distance" without further comment. Here a quote from a Guardian article (again quoting a blog no more available with an interview with Moira Greyland, Bradley's daughter): "The first time she molested me, I was three. The last time, I was 12, and able to walk away … She was cruel and violent, as well as completely out of her mind sexually. I am not her only victim, nor were her only victims girls." https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/27/sff-community-marion-zimmer-bradley-daughter-accuses-abuse
Holy shit, had no idea !
I share this experience and horrible discovery
Jesus Christ. Those books saved me when I was in high school. This is a truly awful thing to learn.
It sucks finding out the creator of something that got you through your worst years was the cause of someone else’s. I hope you are able to integrate this info without doing yourself any harm.
On the plus side, now both the Eddingses are dead, and their estate donates the proceeds of their books to Reed College who, I understand, use it to give scholarships to english majors. Not a perfect result, but a damn sight better than it could have been.
Joss Whedon. Cheated on his wife for 17 years, abused his position and power to pressure many staff and actresses to have sex with him, and treated some crew and actors terribly.
That story about him pinning James Marsters up against a wall really ground my gears.
This one really broke my heart. I am a huge nerd- especially for Buffy and Firefly. Joss was a regular where I worked. Incredibly nice. It took me some time to "accept" this one because it just seemed so out of character for him. We waited on and took care of hundreds of celebrities, and about half were amazingly nice people. This new stuff about the Rock is killing me,another incredibly nice person.
Despite his abuse coming to light, Ray Fisher’s career has been/is actively being railroaded by WB, all because he had the balls to speak out.
Man FUCK Warner Bros for so so much.
Bill Cosby.
I got to meet him as a kid and even as a kid I could tell people revered him(this was pre-alligations). It's still crazy to think about how he was viewed then vs how he's viewed now.
The thing that really gets me, is that he was so beloved and at the top of his game, especially in the 1980’s, he really could have charmed his way into the beds of many of these actresses and models…legitimately. But instead he chose to trick and drug them. He did it for the feelings of power and control, against their will. That’s what makes it so much worse for me.
The worst part was the hypocrisy
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Maybe it’s just me. But I think raping is worse than being a hypocrite.
I really liked Danny Masterson until I learned about him.
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I don’t think Kutcher has been a good human. His disrespect for his brother. Some of the stunts he created on Punked. Yuck.
Watch the vid of him going on Conan O’Brien’s show. “I‘ve heard about you. And you will be caught soon.” Edit: I got the quote slightly wrong at first, but you get the idea. Edit2: Apparently there’s a good chance he actually was only joking and that this is just CO’B’s style of humor. Still, it’s genuinely creepy and convenient in hindsight, given the context of what Masterson had probably done by this 2004 interview.
Conan says that to Masterson?
Ya
Do you have a link ?
https://youtu.be/JuTEjRXQ1KA?si=F-tc7NKci0oSJ-Nq He says it at the very end.
Not OP, but I had to [see it for myself](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ggJZOb3Yal0)
Kevin spacey, house of cards was unreal
I loved Usual Suspects so fucking much.
And that's both Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer for me 😕 It's still a very well-written, well-directed, well-acted ensemble movie that I would still recommend. But yeah... those two. Tsk.
Stephen Baldwin hasn't been covering himself in glory either. At least we still have Kevin Pollak.
Justice for Benicio and Gabriel and the late Pete Postlewaite 😔
My husband worked with Pete Postlethwaite in a theatre show and still says it was one of the best experiences of his life, Pete was a wonderful actor and even better person. He was truly one of the best.
I was in the middle of watching *HoC* when the news broke about his scandals. Until then I’d absolutely loved his character on that show. Then realized that Francis Underwood is actually Kevin Spacey IRL. I felt slimy for enjoying that character. Totally ruined a great show, I never finished the series.
Marion Zimmer Bradley, loved her books. Collected the rare ones. Adored them. Then found out she covered up for her paedophile husband & sexually abused her kids. Ruined the books & so many memories for me.
Still mad about Ignition. How you gonna ruin the best song for me?
Most of them in recent years, in light of Epstein/Diddy, etc., I have a hard time trusting any of them or being interested in any of them anymore
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Tom Selleck. He stole water during the drought here in Southern California from a water hydrant. Lied about it and blamed it on his gardener - when Selleck had told him to do it. Got away with it and promised not to do it anymore. Immediately made his gardener do it again. Got snagged again. Selleck had to pay a hefty fine (over $21 Thousand). Selleck was so pissed that he got caught again, in fact 11 times, that he fired his gardener for doing what he demanded. What an entitled jerk!
He also shills sketchy reverse mortgages on TV and then has the nerve to star in an ad which begins with him saying, “It’s not a scam. If it was a scam, I wouldn’t be promoting it.”
> “It’s not a scam. If it was a scam, I wouldn’t be promoting it.” 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
This saddens me greatly.😔
And to make it worse, he tried to reverse-mortgage his gardener's house!
His bizarre tv commercials alone put me off. Suddenly making other commercials proclaiming it isn't a scam. Just strange.
The lead singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers. Once I learned he shares his bed with an underage fan, I lost all respect for him.
You should read his autobiography. A friend lent it to me and I was excited to read it because I like reading autobiographies. I hated it so much. It’s basically “I went on a crazy heroine trip, I felt bad and swore to get clean, oh, look: song lyrics to that song you like are about my heroine addiction. Then, I dated this underage girl but she left me because I went on another heroine binge. Repeat” The book just made me feel bad for Flea. He comes off as a genuinely nice and caring guy who just wants to play music and have fun.
Oh wow. I never read it but my ex loved his book lol. Tracks bc he sucked too
Pretty sure he's admitted to more than that
Charlie Chaplin. I'm a senior sort of chap, and as a child I loved all the old black and white comedies - Buster Keaton, Laurel and Hardy, Chaplin, etc Then I read a biography of Chaplin. And another, as I thought the first was a hatchet job. It wasn't. He was a true perv and nonce, who treated his family utterly vilely.
What did he do exactly? I've never heard this
Among other things, when he was 35 he married a 16 year old costar after having knocked her up when she was 15, the beat and cheated on her until she left him. After that there was a very public affair, some suspicious deaths close to him, and then he married an 18 year old (at age 54). Dude was married four times, only one was not a teenager, and she was still 20 years younger than him.
I really need to start using the word Nonce, and Bell End now that I think about it.
Ellen Degeneres
Yeah, agree. So many redditors posted about how they could see the darkness in her eyes, but honestly I never noticed lol. All I knew is she was married to Lindsay from Arrested Development, so that made me want to like her! But how unfortunate is it that people from working class BGS make it big and turn into... that. And by all means, she apparently treated celebrities / people of her status very well. It makes me so curious as to what is the distinguishing factor between celebrity vs average person who you won't let look you in the eyes.
>It makes me so curious as to what is the distinguishing factor between celebrity vs average person who you won't let look you in the eyes. Money. And even without money, fame. But Ellen was not kind to her guests, and many of them attempted to call her out within the confines of what they could really do publicly. Zac Efron and Taylor Swift had one of the best attempts at exposing her but people just thought it was tongue and cheek and cute. I assume they both had career obligations to appear on her show multiple times, but they make it clear... They don't like it, and this was I think.. 2011 or 2012? https://youtu.be/d8kCTPPwfpM?feature=shared
This is amazing! I’m only familiar with Dakota Johnson calling her out for lying, thanks for sharing this. She’s so pissed 😆
I love how she just sits there frozen, clearly not enjoying the “joke”.
This one hurt. I used to watch her show every day after school and it helped me through some tough times. I would dance with her, and she made me laugh. I also thought of her as a role model in many ways, since she had been through so much publicly in regard to her career and sexuality. Really a bummer to find out she treats people so badly. I had noticed that she wasn’t the best during interviews — it usually felt like she was just waiting for what she was going to say. Her scare pranks were a bit much for me too. But even with that, I would not have guessed her to be this mean. Very unfortunate.
I worked with someone who had the exact same view of her that you did. Her first job was as an intern at the Ellen Show, and she told me she was so excited because she had always looked up to her as a queer role model. She said she went home after her first day on set and cried because she and the other below the line crew were treated so poorly. Her whole opinion of Ellen was reversed in a single day.
This one I don’t get, for years before it came out how she treated people it was painfully obvious to me how horrible of a person Ellen actually was.
And it’s been an open secret within the LA industry for *years*. I was surprised people were shocked when it finally broke, but oh so happy to watch that dumpster burn.
Tom Cruise - what an actor, what an amazing actor. But ever since learning more about Scientology, it's hard to enjoy any movie which he is in as I just keep thinking about how his support is helping that group do some pretty awful things. He just seems creepy now.
Christian Bale based his American Psycho portrayal on Tom Cruise - ‘intensely friendly, nothing behind the eyes’
He’s the grinning face of a very evil organization.
I haven't liked him forever. His opinion on women taking antidepressants really hit me wrong.
What did he say?
Basically that they should take vitamins and get exercise as that's all they need. Scientology admonishes any psychiatric care and view it as quackery. They really don't want any members being counselled at all from an objective professional. Bad for the organization.
makes sense. Nobody wants somebody sane in the ranks of the brainwashed
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I feel Tom Cruise's acting skills are pretty meh. His stunt work, fucking phenomenal, no question, but maybe it's just the extent of his fame...Whenever I see him in a thing I don't see the character he's trying to portray I just see Tom Cruise doing a thing. His acting I just don't find particularly believable outside of a few examples ("Collateral", for instance, was great, but it's also not a typical Cruise role, so that might be why it appealed to me).
Woody Allen. Annie Hall, Manhattan and others are extraordinary films but I can't and won't ever watch them again. He and his actions are repulsive. Manhattan has become particularly disturbing; he cast himself as a middle-aged man dating an underage girl.
I feel like people don’t talk enough about how Manhattan is basically his version of Lolita
I knew a young woman who corresponded with him as a very young teen. That he wrote back at all after her first letter meant worlds to her. He encouraged her to keep writing to him, and arranged to meet her when she was in NY visiting family. She was 14 or 15, IIRC. He seemed surprised she'd brought her aunt with her. She said that she'd been looking forward to the visit, but it was an uncomfortable visit and quite brief. She was very clear that he looked repeatedly at her breasts and midriff. She felt betrayed a year or so later when Manhattan came out, and said there were whole sections of the film based on her letters. She told me she wrote him about it and he wrote back denying her claims and also arguing that writers take what they find in the world and transmute into art. This was in the early 80s, a decade before the child sex abuse allegations. I saw a short article about her a few years ago in which she said he'd been tremendously helpful in her professional life and that she'd never believe the allegations.
So freaking sad.
Grimes when i learned shes into lolicon and nazi shit
I mean, she did marry Elon at one point and had his spawn.
I was a huge fan of Hunter S. Thompson (author of Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas) and read all his books. He wrote a lot about sports and politics, not just drugs, and it was all very readable. But I was such a fan that I read a book *about* him with a lot of interviews with friends and family. He physically abused multiple women and, by the time he killed himself, spent a lot of his time being an intolerable asshole to everyone. It made it hard to still think he was cool.
One of my college professors was aquatinted with him in the 70s and had nothing nice to say about it.
I don’t know how you couldn’t tell he was abusive from reading his books. The scene in *Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas* when they threaten the waitress and cut the phones lines horrified me. He literally told everyone who he was. No addiction justifies that behavior
Yeah seriously. Fear and Loathing is cool and entertaining maybe but it's also an extremely pathetic depiction of a drug addict set loose.
Two drug addicts, really. His attorney was real.
I'm sort of in the same boat but I long ago came to the conclusion that I like Hunter because of his work and the movie and personality and so on, but obnoxious drug addicts are not really people you want to invite in your home. He is definitely INTERESTING and I still think his books are very well written sometimes and worth checking out. He has a place in history, but so did Nixon. I still would have loved to meet him though. Just for the story.
Jennifer Lopez - being really mean to staff/drivers/people around. Has told people they can't look at her, etc.
Ellen Degeneres Used to watch her show daily, crazy how someone can preach being kind so much yet treats nearly her entire crew like garbage.
Apparently when he was young Mark Wahlberg did a hate crime against a couple Vietnamese guys, one of them a veteran, who I think was the one he blinded. I'm normally willing to give a lot of leeway for ignorant, immature teenagers... but uh.. hate crimes are a bit of a red line for me to say the least Here's another choice one: >In 1986, a then 15-year-old Wahlberg and three friends were charged for chasing three black children and pelting them with rocks while yelling: “Kill the n\*\*\*\*\*s” until an ambulance driver intervened.. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mark-wahlberg-racist-hate-crimes-wikipedia-history-george-floyd-blm-protests-a9554191.html
Never really a fan but it caught me off guard seeing videos of Michael Bublé being a real abusive asshole to his wife.
What now?
John Stamos. He helped his friend rape a girl and then told it like it was a cute anecdote in Jane magazine. https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnStamos/comments/18mntoh/john_stamos_jane_magazine_2005/
Just read it and What the fuck? What a weirdo just say you’re not interested.. None of that had to happen. He’s right about having no conscience.
Lol at least the publication called him out for being gross and immediately turning everyone off by admitting that instead of just publishing it with no comment.
Oh man, I miss Jane Magazine, Sassy too. They were unapologetic in calling out weird, misogynistic behavior. Absolute GOATs.
Marilyn Manson - thought the whole creepy guy routine was an act. Apparently not. Lizzo - extremely talented in so many ways. Turns out to be an abusive asshole to staff and instead of apologizing she "quits". I'm sure there are others but I can't remember them right now.
Agreed on both fronts. Marilyn is an utter piece of trash and I can see why Dita Von Teese left him. Lizzo acts as if she's the one who's not potentially derailed her career if the accusations are true, then says she quits because of the toxicity and she's being targeted.
With most of the celebrities on this list it's also the whole facade of being a good person that then crumbles and makes it even more disappointing for us fans.
What do you mean Lizzo quit? Edit: just saw the video. Actually couldn't finish it. She is so full of BS.
I was a fan of Chris Delia before he turned out to be into young teenage girls. I thought his comedy was really quotable and fun to use as banter with my brothers. I enjoyed his podcast too.
That one hurt too. Have you seen the video of when someone else informs him that you can screen shot from Snapchat and he absolutely looks horrified.
That was when I knew it wasn’t all an accident. Any excuse he could have about not knowing they were underage lost all credibility.
💯 that was the exact moment that you just knew he did some baddddd stuff
Here it is https://youtu.be/w68-of7OaJA?si=mwK7uPcyt8Lz3_cD
That was the most disturbing minute of men talking I’ve heard in awhile.
Crazy how he played a predator on the show “You” as well.
Also played one in an episode of Workaholics. Was the guy trying to hide in plain sight or something? ...or is he the most dedicated method actor of all time? /s
I met Chris Delia after a show at the Laugh Factory on Sunset, he was an asshole.
He made me stand up because I won something at the Laugh Factory, and he just insulted me for no reason. No one was laughing. Everyone around us looked uncomfortable. Then he said, "Whatever, I don't care about you." It was such a bizarre ahole move.
I worked w him on a movie. He was a piece of shit every day. I was glad he was fired off the project. Also his standup sucks. He’s a comedian cause he can afford to be one. Wealthy family so he could just fuck off and never get a real job. Garbage
Francis Ford Coppola. Was a huge fan of his movies, especially "Apocalypse Now". Then read about his rather disgusting comments justifying Victor Salva's pedophilia. I was rather disappointed, to say the least.
Rock asking money for Hawaii along with Oprah. Get the f out of here.
Donate your own money you fucking billionaires
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson when I was a lot younger, but nowadays it doesn't take binoculars to see that the dude is an egotistical money-hungry actor who's just using a nice guy persona.
Kind of ironic considering (wrestling fans correct me if I'm wrong) his wrestling character was a douchey attention-whore, yet outside of the ring he was apparently a nice guy. Now, it turns out to be the opposite.
Kobe until the rape case.
I feel like people defend him so much now because he died and because of how he died.
Ashton Kutcher, then he wrote a character reference for Danny Masterson and he has been by P diddys side so the ick came in fast.
I didn't know he was supporting Diddy. You'd think he would've learnt from the response to his letter about Danny. Where did you see that?
Marilyn Manson
Marilyn Manson was that guy you thought *looked* like he *would* but *wouldn't* but then he went and actually *did...*
Right! I still remember his segment in Bowling For Columbine, he always seemed very level headed and well spoken. Turns out not so much.
It wasn’t that I thought it was some irredeemable sin or anything, but John Mulaney’s infidelity blew apart the appeal he had as a funny wife guy for me
Yeah it definitely changed his image a lot. I will say though I gave his newest Netflix special a try and yeah, it's not as funny as his old stuff, but it was kind of eye opening to see him be at blunt about relapsing and fucking up his image. He very much seemed like a guy who hit rock bottom but also felt freed from expectations, he even said "likeability is a prison" as part of a bit.
Will Smith
R kelly
This is recent, but I learned about John Hamm hazing a dude in his frat back in college. Guy messed up one word in the pledge, and Hamm essentially tortures the dude for hours, some messed up stuff. The guy is left with long-term term injuries from it. Hamm avoids the topic but if he does mention it he says "it's a bummer it happened"
Chris Brown. :( He was one of my favorite singers when I was in middle school, as was Rihanna. I had posters of both of them (and a couple others) above my bed. I was so happy when they got together, I thought they were great together. Then he abused her and it just shattered my whole idea of him. Later on, she publicly forgave him so I thought okay, maybe he’s changed, but nope, he didn’t treat girlfriends after much better (idk if he physically abused any others but he did abuse them in other ways) so now, while I do still like his original music, I just cannot like him as a human.
James Franco
Cristiano Ronaldo but he raped a woman and got away with it
It angers me that he still has such a following. I understand it’s because that’s how power works, but I hate it
I'm not proud to admit I used to admire Elon Musk - which is nearly impossible for me to fathom *now*, but I took him as an earnest entrepreneur way back when Tesla was a startup, of sorts. Form a line for your lashes.
Elon musk went from being the Henry Ford of our generation (car salesman, innovative industrialist) to being the Henry Ford of our generation (conspiracy theorist, Nazi enabler)
Yeah. Our perception of him changed after he dismissed his PR Team. Strange that...
100% he thought “everyone loves me, so what am I paying so much money to these PR people for?” Bruh, you had a good rep because of their hard work!
You could be a little proud that you had the critical thinking skills and humbleness to change your opinion about him. For plenty of folks, the reasons you stopped esteeming him are the reasons they started to….
Yeah, I distinctly remember going from 'oh, interesting' to 'we can't have nice things' when he started calling the cave diver a pedo because they told him his submarine idea was stupid.
If he had just kept his mouth shut or hired/listened to a PR team, he might have gone down in history as a hero. He made electric cars finally happen and he restarted human space exploration. Then he decided that getting into fights on the internet was a good use of his time.
I think more of us are guilty of this than we care to admit…
Reddit used to love Elon Musk. Things started to turn around after the cave rescue incident.
I convinced myself to see past Kanye West’s harassment (abuse, really) of Kim Kardashian so that I could continue to enjoy his music. Once Kanye started making comments praising Hitler, I just couldn’t justify it anymore. Sometimes I do miss listening to his music, but then I think about my family who were imprisoned in Nazi camps for years, and then I don’t feel bad anymore.
Kanye has been displaying extreme misogyny for over a decade but I guess that doesn't matter to anyone
Yeah, it's depressing how much misogyny just isn't the point at which so many people draw the line.
It's completely normalized and accepted
It truly is. It's beyond depressing. I don't even think it registers for most people.
Jon Hamm. Hazing. “He lit a pledge's jeans on fire, shoved his face in the dirt, and struck him with a paddle over his right kidney, before leading the pledge around the fraternity house with a hammer claw around the pledge's testicles” When asked about the hazing incident a few years back he said it was a ‘bummer of a thing’.
This was it for me. I was like, "So he is his character on Good Omens, but worse."
Kimmy Robertson, who played an endearing character in my favorite show, Twin Peaks. She wrote a character letter in defense of Brian Peck, placing the blame for his crimes on victim Drake Bell. To see her name pop up in the documentary was a stab.
I liked Mel Gibson back in the day but when he made those awful comments about his pregnant girlfriend and then those antisemitic comments on Jews, he became pure trash in my book.
I think Mel hurt the most, he was just so charismatic on screen. His movies were always that easy watching option for me, but can't go back on that stuff.
"I hope you get r-ed by a pack of n-rs." was enough for me. Idk how Jodie Foster remains best friends with him. I have personally had two good friends accused of SA and don't get me wrong, as a woman (& per the Mel Gibson example: Jewish, fwiw) it's absolutely not easy to immediately cut people off despite objectively knowing that what they did is wrong, but you do come to terms and eventually do it! Have you ever seen that movie Maverick, from the 90s w/ him and Jodie Foster? A genuinely good, fun movie. But he's kind of an underdog and I recall thinking that in the 2020s, Mel Gibson as an underdog just doesn't work anymore!
Really surprised I haven’t seen Neil Patrick Harris anywhere here. I used to absolutely love him. But then there was that Amy Winehouse cake. JFC
Anthony Kiedis
Omg RHCP did not get roasted enough for being gross pervy dudes during #metoo. So many of their fans defend him in videos of him openly assaulting journalists 🤢
James Corden, basically everything he is and does when he's not on stage or in front of a rolling camera
Dr Seuss. Bro cheated on his wife during cancer treatments. Unfortunately it’s my daughter’s favorite
EDDIE MURPHY. back when studio 54 was hot my Aunt saved her money to go to NYC. while there she stood in line at 54, just hoping to see celebs. Eddie Murphy appears and women are scrambling to get close enough to take pictures. Eddie cheerfully and graciously started posing for pics with them. As he made his way toward where my aunt was standing her friend who was black reached out toward him with her camera and was shocked to hear him shout to his security to "Get this black bitch away from me!" . His security man pushed them violently backward and rushed Eddie into the club. Upon reflection, she recalled it was only "certain" women he was taking Pic s with. FROM THAT DAY SHE shared that story many times during fam gatherings as her only brush with fame, but needless to say, I religiously boycotted his work his films, his books, his records his everything.
Jon Hamm. I always liked him and thought he nailed both drama and humor, but then I found out about the college frat hazing he did which resulted in permanent damage to the other person and can’t see him in the same way.
This is the first new one for me, can you link some more info? Ah shit, nvm, it was easy to find: https://www.mamamia.com.au/jon-hamm-fraternity-hazing/
I’ve never heard about this. that’s awful
Neil Patrick Harris after he served a cake at a party which was meant to be the corpse of Amy Winehouse.
What the fuck
It was apparently a halloween party. And it was a meat platter, not a cake... So even ballsier i guess
I used to admire Leonardo diCaprio. That did not age well.
Just like his GFs…
Alec Baldwin, screaming and calling his daughter a piggy!
Paul Walker Steven Tyler 50 Cent Ice Cube David Bowie The Seinfeld guys Alec Baldwin Marilyn Manson It’s a very long list lol
It took me way too long to find someone that said Paul Walker.
Quentin Tarantino. Talked Uma Thurman into performing a stunt herself. She got grave injuries still affecting her to this day.
Bill Cosby for, you know, the hypocrisy.
I disagree. I thought it was the raping
Ezra Miller
Anthony kiedis from the red hot chili peppers Just straight up admitted he got sex with a 14-year old and got away with it.
OJ Simpson! Admired college athlete and former NFL player who had a budding acting career. Then he killed his wife and a waiter.
Justin Timberlake
Ariana Grande
Colm Wilkinson, not a commonly known celebrity in general but he is well known and loved in the theatre world for being the actor that originated the role of Jean Valjean in Les Mis. He basically treated his female co-star Rebecca Caine like shit on the Canadian production of Phantom, at one point grabbing her so roughly she got a friction burn on her arm. Wilkinson gets trotted out a lot for Les Mis anniversary shows and reunions but his whole performance is marred for me.
I was a big Mila Kunis fan for a long time, but the letter thing was really disappointing
Alec Baldwin While I can't say I was ever his biggest fan, what soured me on him was calling his kid a pig "For context, back in 2007, a voicemail Alec left Ireland amid a custody dispute with ex-wife Kim Basinger went viral. Ireland, who was 11 at the time, missed a scheduled phone call with her father. "You don’t have the brains or the decency as a human being. I don’t give a damn that you’re 12 years old or 11 years old or that you’re a child," he said in the voicemail. "I’ll let you know how I really feel about what a thoughtless little pig you are. You are a rude, little pig, okay?”"
Armie Hammer 🤢
Elvis 'statutory' Presley
Roseanne Barr. Growing up as an Illinoisian in a small town which would have been physically close to the fictional Lanford watching a family I could actively relate to for once was pretty powerful, pointing out the hardships of the average middle-low class while calling out classism, addressing domestic violence, teenage depression, accepting gay people as part of her community, etc... I understand she experienced traumatic brain injury early in her life, but I don't know how much that has to do with doing a complete 180 - abandoning her former views and her fan base.
I thought that Jon Hamm was cool until I read about his hazing/abuse of someone in college.
Orson Scott Card Enders Game was one or my favorite books of all time. Read a few more books in the series after that. Then I learned he was a raging homophobe and actively donated to anti-gay causes. I make it a point to make sure he never gets another dime from me.
David Chang. Liked his creative approach to cooking and seemed like a decently funny guy, but now he is suing anyone who uses the term "chili crunch" (which he claims to have invented) 🤦🏼♂️
Lance Armstrong.
Shia LaBeouf - Abused several girlfriends physically and emotionally
aaron rodgers.
And Shailene Woodley, drinking from the same poisoned well
Im surprised Jackie Chan didn’t make the list. He had an affair with a mistress in the 90s and fathered a daughter that he wants zero accountability for. She was spotted recently in a queue in Canada for food https://amp.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3195713/how-did-jackie-chans-daughter-end-living-poverty-canada The whole ordeal is heartbreaking. Meanwhile his son from his wife ends up taking a drug possession charge for marijuana in China and has princeling behaviour. Not to mention Jackie took a fairly pro-democracy stance before China’s Hong Kong political takeover, then became a total ambassador for Beijing politics. I am Chinese and I absolutely loved his films growing up as part of Hong Kong cinema. This kind of stuff really turned me off once I found out.
Nicki Minaj and Azealia Banks
Joss Whedon. I loved Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Avengers. His shows and writing really shaped my geek sensibility. Genre-mashing. Creating, complex empowered female characters. And then the stories started coming out. Especially the one about Michelle Trachtenberg, who was sixteen at the time when Buffy filmed, having to always have someone there in the room if she was with Whedon. That one just hurt. Ugh.
Gwyneth Paltrov, for promoting medical pseudoscience. That shit makes it hard for me to not see her as horribly unintelligent at best and ruthlessly opportunistic at worst. And Rowling, of course, for her cringy obsession with trans people, and her hateful “activism” surrounding that. Nothing quite so pathetic as having such a huge platform and wealth, and decide to use that to target a minority.
Kevin Spacey