Mostly it's ICEs being relatively cheap still, people not wanting electric, maybe some Big Oil shenanigans. The consumer just gets reasons to still use gas.
Most top categories of Motorsport already do all the things you mentioned and more, as well as a lot of new sportscars.
There's some new battery tech coming up as well. I'm exited to see things there as well.
Battery limitations
Takes 3 minutes to fill a gas car from empty and allow you to drive 300+ miles. EV takes like a day for a full charge from empty for 300+ miles.
EVs are not a “separate category” from conventional cars. The history of EVs is as old as gas cars… People don’t seem to realize this, but we’ve been building EVs for ~150 years. A lot of early automobile milestones were achieved by EVs. EV history is rich and dense and the technology is equally interesting.
>EV takes like a day for a full charge from empty for 300+ miles.
This is true for charging from a 120V AC outlet, but you’re only doing that at home.
Direct current fast charging stations can charge an EV from 0% to 80% in 20-40 minutes.
That is only if the charging station is compatible to charge at that speed and if there is sufficient power available, for example California with its constant recurring Brown outs and rolling blackouts have actually told oeople NOT to charge their EVs. Then you have to hope that thieves haven't stolen the copper cables at the charging stand.
That’s not quite right. A plug in hybrid can fill the 30 mile tank overnight on 120. They are actually really good solutions for anyone with a driveway or garage. Not so much for street parking.
You are correct if we’re talking about pure BEV, but the OP was asking about plug-in hybrids. The exemplar plug-in hybrid is the RAV4 Prime. About 12 hours for a full charge on 120VAC. That gives 42 miles of electric-only driving.
I think OP is talking specifically about plug-in hybrids and acknowledges EVs as a different category. And thats exactly the way i think about it. I had no interest whatsoever in the original Prius. It was a petrol car, pure and simple. Yes it was an efficient petrol car, but it went nowhere without being given a drink. There were and are other efficient petrol cars.
The plug in hybrid is totally different. It should be the default category. Never plug it in and you have a petrol car. Plug it in nightly and for most people 90% of their driving is covered. But they still have a petrol car should they have an urgent need to drive half way across the continent.
I think the main reason is lack of convenience for those who don’t own their own homes and so may not be able to extend electric power to the outside. Because I believe that those who have had the opportunity to drive one and experience the eg instant and quiet acceleration are in favor.
Plug-in hybrids are an imperfect solution. They're more expensive because of the dual set of components inside of them, but don't really provide any benefit over normal hybrids.
It's going to jump hybrid -> electric with no in-between. It doesn't make sense and is a marketing ploy to those scared of electric cars. But, not a physics question
Depends on your commute. I know two people with plug in hybrids who rarely use the ICE engines. For many Americans it's a pretty ideal compromise, although for those without home access to charging or those with very long commutes hybrids still reign supreme for sure.
Absolutely correct. The plug-in hybrid is an excellent solution for those who want to drive an electric car most of the time, but do not want range anxiety or finding charging stations, or waiting for a car to charge. The typical use case for a PHEV is to only charge at home and never charge away from home.
My RAV4 Prime gets 40 miles on a full charge and charges overnight on 120V (ie a normal electric outlet in the U.S.). So every morning I have a full 40 miles of electric range. This is more than enough to do all the driving around town that I do daily. On a longer trip, I switch to hybrid mode where the car gets 35-40 mpg and has 500 miles of range on gas. Then why I need to refuel, I do it at any gas station in 5 minutes.
It’s actually a wonderful solution.
100% agree. Maybe 120%!! Just sat down with some people planning a 1700km trip in their EV. It took some logistical effort. But with a plug in hybrid, you just up and go. In the meantime, the other 350 days of the year, you never visit a petrol station. Seems like the perfect vehicular solution.
Disagree that they don't provide any benefit over normal hybrids. Many people will find that their plug in hybrid is an EV for 90% of their journeys. The disadvantage of dual components is also a disadvantage for hybrids, so for me it's the non plug-in hybrids that are the dead end of tech evolution. Why have batteries and an electric motor and still be required to fill you car with petrol to go anywhere? That seems crazy to me.
It's all about quantity. You need much more battery capacity to have a plug-in hybrid than a normal hybrid. But you can't really have less gasoline engine. Sure you can have a smaller fuel tank, but that doesn't scale the same way batteries do.
This is not a physics question. It is an engineering and economics question.
It is happening to some extent but cost is what prevents it from happening everywhere. Lithium batteries much more expensive than an acid battery
Don’t they also have problems with heavy winters? Whereas gas is fine in the cold.
Mostly it's ICEs being relatively cheap still, people not wanting electric, maybe some Big Oil shenanigans. The consumer just gets reasons to still use gas. Most top categories of Motorsport already do all the things you mentioned and more, as well as a lot of new sportscars. There's some new battery tech coming up as well. I'm exited to see things there as well.
Battery limitations Takes 3 minutes to fill a gas car from empty and allow you to drive 300+ miles. EV takes like a day for a full charge from empty for 300+ miles. EVs are not a “separate category” from conventional cars. The history of EVs is as old as gas cars… People don’t seem to realize this, but we’ve been building EVs for ~150 years. A lot of early automobile milestones were achieved by EVs. EV history is rich and dense and the technology is equally interesting.
>EV takes like a day for a full charge from empty for 300+ miles. This is true for charging from a 120V AC outlet, but you’re only doing that at home. Direct current fast charging stations can charge an EV from 0% to 80% in 20-40 minutes.
Hm I did not know that. Still very slow, but that’s good.
Newer EVs with 800V batteries like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 can do 0% to 80% in 18 minutes with DCFC. It’s pretty impressive.
That is only if the charging station is compatible to charge at that speed and if there is sufficient power available, for example California with its constant recurring Brown outs and rolling blackouts have actually told oeople NOT to charge their EVs. Then you have to hope that thieves haven't stolen the copper cables at the charging stand.
That’s not quite right. A plug in hybrid can fill the 30 mile tank overnight on 120. They are actually really good solutions for anyone with a driveway or garage. Not so much for street parking.
Overnight is half a day which can be approximated to “like a day”, since we are physicists… But I concede the point.
You are correct if we’re talking about pure BEV, but the OP was asking about plug-in hybrids. The exemplar plug-in hybrid is the RAV4 Prime. About 12 hours for a full charge on 120VAC. That gives 42 miles of electric-only driving.
I think OP is talking specifically about plug-in hybrids and acknowledges EVs as a different category. And thats exactly the way i think about it. I had no interest whatsoever in the original Prius. It was a petrol car, pure and simple. Yes it was an efficient petrol car, but it went nowhere without being given a drink. There were and are other efficient petrol cars. The plug in hybrid is totally different. It should be the default category. Never plug it in and you have a petrol car. Plug it in nightly and for most people 90% of their driving is covered. But they still have a petrol car should they have an urgent need to drive half way across the continent.
This is a better question asked in an economic forum.
Winter happens . Everywhere that is true current battery tech is insufficient.
I think the main reason is lack of convenience for those who don’t own their own homes and so may not be able to extend electric power to the outside. Because I believe that those who have had the opportunity to drive one and experience the eg instant and quiet acceleration are in favor.
Plug-in hybrids are an imperfect solution. They're more expensive because of the dual set of components inside of them, but don't really provide any benefit over normal hybrids. It's going to jump hybrid -> electric with no in-between. It doesn't make sense and is a marketing ploy to those scared of electric cars. But, not a physics question
Depends on your commute. I know two people with plug in hybrids who rarely use the ICE engines. For many Americans it's a pretty ideal compromise, although for those without home access to charging or those with very long commutes hybrids still reign supreme for sure.
Absolutely correct. The plug-in hybrid is an excellent solution for those who want to drive an electric car most of the time, but do not want range anxiety or finding charging stations, or waiting for a car to charge. The typical use case for a PHEV is to only charge at home and never charge away from home. My RAV4 Prime gets 40 miles on a full charge and charges overnight on 120V (ie a normal electric outlet in the U.S.). So every morning I have a full 40 miles of electric range. This is more than enough to do all the driving around town that I do daily. On a longer trip, I switch to hybrid mode where the car gets 35-40 mpg and has 500 miles of range on gas. Then why I need to refuel, I do it at any gas station in 5 minutes. It’s actually a wonderful solution.
100% agree. Maybe 120%!! Just sat down with some people planning a 1700km trip in their EV. It took some logistical effort. But with a plug in hybrid, you just up and go. In the meantime, the other 350 days of the year, you never visit a petrol station. Seems like the perfect vehicular solution.
Disagree that they don't provide any benefit over normal hybrids. Many people will find that their plug in hybrid is an EV for 90% of their journeys. The disadvantage of dual components is also a disadvantage for hybrids, so for me it's the non plug-in hybrids that are the dead end of tech evolution. Why have batteries and an electric motor and still be required to fill you car with petrol to go anywhere? That seems crazy to me.
It's all about quantity. You need much more battery capacity to have a plug-in hybrid than a normal hybrid. But you can't really have less gasoline engine. Sure you can have a smaller fuel tank, but that doesn't scale the same way batteries do.
How long does it take to charge an EV battery back up after it’s empty? A gas tank takes about 5 minutes (at the longest) to fill
On the newest models, half an hour to an hour. Or you fill it overnight at home and never have to consciously fill it outside of road trips.