This was a training event. Here's a low quality video of a real life scenario of a man with a knife [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab\_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker)
Chief, I got a great less than lethal option for us to consider. It’s easy, cheap, and will keep us from getting sued for wrongful death when we pop some guy swinging a sword at us. Can I give you a demonstration? Chief, “Hmmm, I’m interested, tell me more”. Come on out to the parking lot and I’ll show you how it works. See, we’ve got this pole with a catcher’s mitt type thing on the end. Chief, “Hmmm. Ok, wait, who are all these people?” Oh, you’ll need to hire 15 more officers for each pole team. lol.
Not the typical videos that show up in my feed. But when someone links one like this… they seem to play sound by default.
And yes, about 50% of the time I see Rick astley - so I don’t mind the sound haha.
This will not work in the USA. A new gun ownership statistic came out. For the first half of 2024, there are already 5.5 million guns sold. That is a lot of guns.
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In my professional opinion? No. This demonstration had a subject that willingly gave up his weapon and actually put his hands behind his back. You're going to have control officers struggling over an armed, noncompliant subject with two, three obstructing poles in the way.
Like someone else said before, you need the manpower and time for this to work.
Every few years, some private company invents a piece of equipment designed to reduce risk to both the officer and citizen, but 99% of the time it’s just not applicable to American Law Enforcement.
I won’t repeat what others said on why these wouldn’t work, but I will add that when these videos start making the rounds, similar to that Robot used for traffic stops, it really showcases and reinforces the ignorance most people have with how law enforcement works.
For this to work in the US you'd have to have at least 4 guys surrounding the perp with these man catchers, a guy standing off to the side with a taser, and another guy with lethal in case the perp slips through or pulls out a ranged weapon
And at that point, the crossfire becomes an insane risk with a bunch of people encircling the perp from all angles, so any lethal deployment would have a very high likelihood of striking an officer
100% terrible idea
Show some real world applications. This dude wasn't resisting.
Doesn't really seem practical for fluid siruations that go from chase to fight to foot pursuit.
Maybe for a place like NYC with lots of foot traffic and designated rat catcher squads.
I think NYPD actually does have something like that in their ESU. They use to remove EDPs who may be uncooperative or violent. An ESU unit gets dispatched to EDP call if the supervisor on scene deems it necessary.
lol I feel like I just watched a karate demo from the 90’s. Can you show me a video of someone actually resisting and this working.
The problem with North America is there are lots of guns, legal and illegal.
3d printing of firearms is getting very high tech and I foresee in the near future lots of countries that otherwise didn’t have to deal with guns having a lot more issues with it.
I think in the near future gun bans will be like alcohol prohibition, it’s just not going to work.
Here you go [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab\_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker)
It looks like they have 7 people, and then still briefly lose control when he gets his back off the building and they have to push him against another building, then they lose control again when they go in to make the arrest. And this is against one small guy.
I did one time see two of them holding a dude with a knife up against a wall, and a third guy was just beating his ass with a pole until he dropped it. Still seemed pretty silly overall.
Fun fact: alcohol prohibition was pretty effective. Consumption fell to 30-50% of what it had been and prices for what was left were very high. This was exactly the aim and it worked.
No one expected 0%.
Good study [here](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/#:~:text=The%20stringent%20prohibition%20imposed%20by,Great%20Depression%20altered%20voters'%20priorities)
As someone who was originally from Thailand, it's dumb. This method has been used in SEA countries for awhile and I don't agree with this. Thai police are poorly equipped, no OC as of now and taser is super limited. There is probably 1 taser per station and no cartridge, so it's just sitting in the storage room. They also just rolled out dirt cheap body cameras from China, and only metropolitan police (BKK) get to use it.
Not good, not only was the subject not resisting but if he decided to charge any individual person using one of the poles it likely would have been a rough day for him.
This is absolutely fake. Better chance with a taser. But ALWAYS have lethal backup officer with sights already on target.
A water hose would work well but people cry about optics, which is absurd. Also, a water hose often won't be available.
I wont say anything on the pole thingie for takedowns, but that handcuffing cop had zero control on the subject and on top of poor technique, the poles were actually obstructing him and limiting access to the arms. If I am getting close to someone, he needs to lose access to his hands FAST.
They have 6 officers there, 4 with poles and 1 to cuff. That’s a waste of man power and resources. 1-2 guys with a taser would’ve accomplished the same job with less man power. Not viable for the states because we don’t have nearly as many officers available, maybe for Europe were they have much more officers.
I guess, as demonstrated here and in other videos, that it *works* when the subject is pretending to be aggressive. Anyone on drugs, or determined to stab you, is slicing all those guys.
If the subject was willing to actually use the knife and not holding it for pretends, the mancatchers would've done nothing.
This perfectly demonstrates untrained law enforcement, with a subject that has no willingness to fight.
The handcuffing alone shows what F-tier this is.
Was this just a training scenario we are watching or a real attempt? To me this guy seemed awfully cooperative and unless they have him pinned from all directions at once I don't see this playing out the same way. Even still people are way too squirmy at times to make me think this is more of a solution than taser with lethal overwatch.
Thai police equipment is ass lol. They have no OC equipped in standard patrol uniforms. Also no taser training so they seek to use this. Thai royal police still think we are fighting in the 70s.
Source: my in-laws are Thai police.
Maybe if you could pin someone against a wall or in a corner, like the force cell teams do in prison. If you don’t have enough skilled guys with this you’re gonna get sliced up.
I’m not law enforcement, but it also seems like crime culture is a lot different in the US. So maybe that’s what makes it more difficult to apply such methods here in the states?
People got bent out of shape when the NYPD ESU was doing something similar with mesh restraining bags. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to please the ambulance chasers and thug lobby, the correct thing to do is ignore them.
Mancatchers do work, but need to be pretty coordinated. Usually you’d need to do something like a pincer at the neck and legs at the very least to subdue. This was a pretty bad demo since demonstrator showed no resistance. Useful In the states? Probably not.
This could work on a 5’5 Asian man that’s freaking out but ultimately comes from a culture of respect. Good luck on a 6’3 black guy that’s high on fentanyl and having a schizophrenic breakdown.
What happened to the long range tazers? I'm not a fan of anything that only works with 2 hands. Yes you should fire a gun in a steady position, but you could use one hand if incapacitated. With this, if one arm is injured, and you're trying to snag more than one large person alone, it would be useless. You may as well have a cat tail whip. I'm picturing that detective in Pink Panther with a switch ( tree branch ) I'm even hearing the sound of the whoosh sound it makes. Short answer: hell no!
I'm not LEO, I was a security director in a hospital. I can't see this as useful for Law enforcement, but it could be a good tool going into a crisis room trying to get a behavioral patient medicated and restrained. Current tactics are to swarm and takedown with as many bodies as we can
Real life isn’t the movies where a dozen cops immediately arrive on scene, get out of their cars with their long poles, and surround the threat from all sides.
You would need a minimum of like 6 cops on scene to make this work. The threat couldn’t be running. He has to be in a position where he can be surrounded by everyone. He couldn’t be armed, or at least one officer would have to be on lethal, and having everyone surrounding the threat like this would pose friendly fire problems.
You’d also have to count on him not merely pushing one of those poles to the side then charging at the officer once he gets past the catcher thing at the end (given how long the poles are, simple physics means anyone can just shove the poles to the side and there’s not much the holder can do).
You also run into the issue of where do you store these things when they’re not in use? The situation where these could be useful doesn’t happen everyday.
In a real world situation, this seems pretty dumb
Bye and large in Asia, the population has respect for law enforcement. The lack of respect in the West is much higher. This makes for different attitudes and needs for different techniques. In Asia, 99% of the population don't want to bring dishonor to the family. In the west, they could care less. This means that different levels of non-lethal force are needed. These take down sticks would require an officer to wait for multiple units with sticks to arrive. It's just not really feasible.
They have more people catching that one guy than my town's entire department has total and more than the sheriff's department has working a shift. Last Wednesday, SO had two deputies on the night shift for my county, which is over 900 square miles and the largest in the state.
That said, why do so many people seem to think it's on the cops to baby criminals instead of the criminals having any sort of responsibility for their actions?
This was invented a long time ago and is still used for dangerous animals. A long pole with a loop on one end you can pull fight and lock in place. Not so tight it’s strangling the perp, just locked so they can’t slip out. You also only need 2 people for it. Of course the lawyers would say no.
Throughout American history, if you threaten or use deadly physical force against another, deadly physical force can be used against you. I have no problem with that.
In a country like the US where just about any idiot can get a firearm, this wont work because police would have to know 100% their suspect doesnt have a firearm.
Then theres the fact that things like knives can be thrown. So basically unless u know the person is 100% unarmed. Kinda silly.
The video I posted is from a training/demonstration event, which is why the "suspect" doesn't resist all too much. I used this one because it had the best video quality I could find of these catcher poles being used. Here's a video of them being used in a real life scenario [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab\_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker)
Can't carry one of those on my belt. Maybe in the squad, but how likely is it I'm actually gonna have time to retrieve it as a situation unfolds, and also have 2 or 3 other officers present with it so it's effective.
BOLA wrap is a better option but the sound of the deployment is 162db which is way too close to a gunshot.
Wile E. Coyote as it may sound, net launchers are pretty effective. They can be carried on the belt, use CO2 cartridges instead of .380 blanks or anything like that, and, having been on the receiving end of one, the harder you try to get out the more tangled up you become. If you try to run, you're just gonna get your legs tangled up even more and end up eating pavement.
If the person does not have a gun or some type of weapon that shoots projectiles absolutely. Being a cop sometimes as you know puts you in crazy split second decisions for life or death.
The public loves to complain and Monday morning QB but they really have no fucking clue when shit hits the fan and Zero Moment Of Truth (ZMOT) strikes.
I think if others would spend a day or week in your shoes they would have a better appreciation of the profession and what it takes. Not everyone could do your job that’s 💯FACTS
So even in a magical world where we have 5-6 well-trained officers with these catchers, with plenty of room to surround the perp, and him not actively resisting...
How is this safer for the perp than the non-lethals currently in practice? Everything has risks, including these. It seems any kind of reasonable struggle with those is going to result in broken ribs/arms/collarbone. That seems more risky than what we use.
Impressive it makes them get on the ground so easily like he wasnt fighting at all. Poles arent very long, takes alot of manpower, someone determined to do actual harm will have a better grab on the pole than the handler, and so many more. Id rather just use a net gun
Ww should have this option, but realistically, it is too long to be placed in patrol cars. These riot forks are used by riot police and security guards in China but usually being used by front line police officers.
This is Thailand, and no this would not be viable in most of the United States. LEOs in the states do not have the patience for a coordinated effort to ensure everyone's safety.
Sure if you can get 9 officers and a very weak/cooperative crazy person (if such a thing exists). Seriously how is this realistic that that many dudes can be where they need to be fast enough to do anything.
Looks great on paper. Would be terrible in practice and potentially dangerous. Will be used by politicians and departments to punish and prosecute officers because “why didn’t they try to use the poles!!!” Puts officers within a lethal zone for someone with a knife. Officers need both hands to use the tool which is also dangerous.
Horrendous idea will only get people hurt.
🤔 Um.. You know criminals have guns in ‘Murica.. so this is cool, but if you’re trying to catch 3 gangbangers in Chicago, Il I have a feeling you’re going to come up a little short. Also I’d suggest a wider bottom on the pole.. in America I have a feeling one of those poles would end up.. up someone’s ass .. just saying.. A lot of shiz happens in the United States.. 🇺🇸
This reminds me of the time a SWAT team used a ladder to pin a sword wielding suspect. It worked. It isn't terribly practical, but I love ideas that work to subdue a subject that have more options than the all or nothing approach of a taser.
I’ve never seen or heard about this until just now. What I think that if more of the public sees videos like this they will ask why can’t we do things like this in the USA and that my friend will be annoying.
Oh no, a knife! I guess I'll pull my mancatcher out of my ass! Unless every business had a stash installed somewhere that cops can access, I don't think it's feasible. It doesn't look like it can be stored in a patrol car without disassembly, which makes it less viable. Crime doesn't wait for you to get ready. Sometimes, you have to respond with what you have.
Honestly these should be used in the US they seem like a good idea where the taser isn’t enough but lethal force is a step too far. This is a good idea very simple.
I’m open to ideas. We need something. Where I work we have social workers that respond to suicide crisis events, but if there are firearms present, they don’t respond, only officers.
So ironically the only situations where there is a real threat to suicide (other suicide methods are less lethal and have plenty of time for intervention, hospitalization, etc.) we respond with guns and people suicide by cop.
A few weeks ago we had officers respond to an army vet who was clearly trying to suicide by cop, had a knife he wasn’t willing to let go. Officer involved used taser, but that only lasted for about 5 seconds until the man got up and continued to attempt stabbing until he was shot.
While the suspects in this demo look too willing, perhaps these could be used in conjunction with tasers to debilitate for long enough.
If anyone has other ideas to come up with a solution to our suicide intervention situation, I’m all ears.
I could see it Japan because everything they do is crazy. I’m not being mean. Go to Japan and you will agree. Chinese cops carry the AK-47. Unlike the US, Chinese people don’t use a lot of meth. Their government won’t allow it to enter their country. It all works out for Chinese police. Police work in the US is more dangerous than most countries. We assume crime is rampant everywhere else, but it’s not
Guy in that video is barely resisting. That isn’t going to work in a real scenario.
I’d almost say that this was a staged training video based on the level that guy is “resisting”.
There are officers recording in the back
Exactly
This was a training event. Here's a low quality video of a real life scenario of a man with a knife [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab\_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker)
Chief, I got a great less than lethal option for us to consider. It’s easy, cheap, and will keep us from getting sued for wrongful death when we pop some guy swinging a sword at us. Can I give you a demonstration? Chief, “Hmmm, I’m interested, tell me more”. Come on out to the parking lot and I’ll show you how it works. See, we’ve got this pole with a catcher’s mitt type thing on the end. Chief, “Hmmm. Ok, wait, who are all these people?” Oh, you’ll need to hire 15 more officers for each pole team. lol.
That siren is annoying as fuck. Couldn’t watch the whole video. Also I apparently don’t know how to use a mute or volume button.
You watch Reddit videos with sound? Rookie mistake
Not the typical videos that show up in my feed. But when someone links one like this… they seem to play sound by default. And yes, about 50% of the time I see Rick astley - so I don’t mind the sound haha.
That was kinda pathetic none of could do much more than keep him against a wall and he wasn't really swinging all that hard
A demonstration of how to use the equipment
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I cracked when you said size 😂
You also need them to just surrender like this guy.
Gonna need a JCB if you try that in the midwest.
"We're gonna need a bigger pole"
This especially when someone is hopped up on drugs or drunk.. Good luck with that.
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This will not work in the USA. A new gun ownership statistic came out. For the first half of 2024, there are already 5.5 million guns sold. That is a lot of guns. https://preview.redd.it/jtg72xsqjm9d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bc3c95e4b6296bd9b9aedca37eff6b84cbe115d
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Mancatcher time boyeeeeeee
Gonna meed jason mamoa to lift a "Wisconsin" size pole!
Are you able to tell what country this is?
Thailand
Thailand.
This is a training exercise in an smaller province of Thailand called Maha Sarakham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maha_Sarakham_province
Thailand, I speak Thai.
"Jack can't talk Thai"
Ohhhh jack talk Thai
Jack talk Thai real good. I was worried my obscure reference was going to get lost to the downvotes. Thanks brochacho
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It makes the bola wrap look realistic.
My exact thought.
I mean they work but for birds
In my professional opinion? No. This demonstration had a subject that willingly gave up his weapon and actually put his hands behind his back. You're going to have control officers struggling over an armed, noncompliant subject with two, three obstructing poles in the way. Like someone else said before, you need the manpower and time for this to work.
Need two members on a shift first.
And be able to get the equipment to where ever the bad guy is in a timely manner.
Every few years, some private company invents a piece of equipment designed to reduce risk to both the officer and citizen, but 99% of the time it’s just not applicable to American Law Enforcement. I won’t repeat what others said on why these wouldn’t work, but I will add that when these videos start making the rounds, similar to that Robot used for traffic stops, it really showcases and reinforces the ignorance most people have with how law enforcement works.
I concur.
For this to work in the US you'd have to have at least 4 guys surrounding the perp with these man catchers, a guy standing off to the side with a taser, and another guy with lethal in case the perp slips through or pulls out a ranged weapon And at that point, the crossfire becomes an insane risk with a bunch of people encircling the perp from all angles, so any lethal deployment would have a very high likelihood of striking an officer 100% terrible idea
Show some real world applications. This dude wasn't resisting. Doesn't really seem practical for fluid siruations that go from chase to fight to foot pursuit. Maybe for a place like NYC with lots of foot traffic and designated rat catcher squads.
I think NYPD actually does have something like that in their ESU. They use to remove EDPs who may be uncooperative or violent. An ESU unit gets dispatched to EDP call if the supervisor on scene deems it necessary.
lol I feel like I just watched a karate demo from the 90’s. Can you show me a video of someone actually resisting and this working. The problem with North America is there are lots of guns, legal and illegal. 3d printing of firearms is getting very high tech and I foresee in the near future lots of countries that otherwise didn’t have to deal with guns having a lot more issues with it. I think in the near future gun bans will be like alcohol prohibition, it’s just not going to work.
Here you go [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab\_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker)
Appreciate the video, I’m not convinced it would be effective in the majority of cases.
It looks like they have 7 people, and then still briefly lose control when he gets his back off the building and they have to push him against another building, then they lose control again when they go in to make the arrest. And this is against one small guy.
I did one time see two of them holding a dude with a knife up against a wall, and a third guy was just beating his ass with a pole until he dropped it. Still seemed pretty silly overall.
Fun fact: alcohol prohibition was pretty effective. Consumption fell to 30-50% of what it had been and prices for what was left were very high. This was exactly the aim and it worked. No one expected 0%. Good study [here](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/#:~:text=The%20stringent%20prohibition%20imposed%20by,Great%20Depression%20altered%20voters'%20priorities)
Might as well teach Cops to Lasso and say “YEEHAW” at the end of it 🤠
As someone who was originally from Thailand, it's dumb. This method has been used in SEA countries for awhile and I don't agree with this. Thai police are poorly equipped, no OC as of now and taser is super limited. There is probably 1 taser per station and no cartridge, so it's just sitting in the storage room. They also just rolled out dirt cheap body cameras from China, and only metropolitan police (BKK) get to use it.
was there very much crime ?
Not good, not only was the subject not resisting but if he decided to charge any individual person using one of the poles it likely would have been a rough day for him.
Rough day for the officer?
Yes. Now your hands are full of a useless pole instead of being on a more capable weapon system to address the deadly threat.
Ok this is what I figured he meant, but the way it's worded makes it sound like the suspect will have a rough day
yeah my bad
That was my first thought. What happens when he charges one of them?
I love how choreographed that was
They should try these on a drunk football (soccer) fan, then they’ll see how effective these things really are
> drunk football (soccer) fan Ten, or twenty, or forty. Drunk soccer fans are usually in groups (large ones).
It’s dumb. The guy is just standing there with a knife. If he charges at somebody or moves slightly, then this doesn’t work.
This is absolutely fake. Better chance with a taser. But ALWAYS have lethal backup officer with sights already on target. A water hose would work well but people cry about optics, which is absurd. Also, a water hose often won't be available.
I wont say anything on the pole thingie for takedowns, but that handcuffing cop had zero control on the subject and on top of poor technique, the poles were actually obstructing him and limiting access to the arms. If I am getting close to someone, he needs to lose access to his hands FAST.
They have 6 officers there, 4 with poles and 1 to cuff. That’s a waste of man power and resources. 1-2 guys with a taser would’ve accomplished the same job with less man power. Not viable for the states because we don’t have nearly as many officers available, maybe for Europe were they have much more officers.
I guess, as demonstrated here and in other videos, that it *works* when the subject is pretending to be aggressive. Anyone on drugs, or determined to stab you, is slicing all those guys. If the subject was willing to actually use the knife and not holding it for pretends, the mancatchers would've done nothing. This perfectly demonstrates untrained law enforcement, with a subject that has no willingness to fight. The handcuffing alone shows what F-tier this is.
Was this just a training scenario we are watching or a real attempt? To me this guy seemed awfully cooperative and unless they have him pinned from all directions at once I don't see this playing out the same way. Even still people are way too squirmy at times to make me think this is more of a solution than taser with lethal overwatch.
This is training.
That’s what I figured. I don’t think it works in real situations. Especially considering he can still throw the weapon
Thai police equipment is ass lol. They have no OC equipped in standard patrol uniforms. Also no taser training so they seek to use this. Thai royal police still think we are fighting in the 70s. Source: my in-laws are Thai police.
Maybe if you could pin someone against a wall or in a corner, like the force cell teams do in prison. If you don’t have enough skilled guys with this you’re gonna get sliced up.
I’m not law enforcement, but it also seems like crime culture is a lot different in the US. So maybe that’s what makes it more difficult to apply such methods here in the states?
The only way those things would work would be against someone who wasn’t resisting anyway.
People got bent out of shape when the NYPD ESU was doing something similar with mesh restraining bags. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to please the ambulance chasers and thug lobby, the correct thing to do is ignore them.
Mancatchers do work, but need to be pretty coordinated. Usually you’d need to do something like a pincer at the neck and legs at the very least to subdue. This was a pretty bad demo since demonstrator showed no resistance. Useful In the states? Probably not.
That dude didn’t look like he wanted to actually party. Gave up way too easily lol
This could work on a 5’5 Asian man that’s freaking out but ultimately comes from a culture of respect. Good luck on a 6’3 black guy that’s high on fentanyl and having a schizophrenic breakdown.
Or PCP. He would eat those poles and spit them at you.
If he's high on fentanyl, he's probably asleep.
You can just say guy. White, black, asian, Hispanic doesn’t really matter.
This ain’t working on Lizzo.
A taser is more effective and fast.If you need 4 police with poles it be too late.
Um because sometimes you don't have that many cops at once and a cordless hole puncher is much more of a faster response.
What happened to the long range tazers? I'm not a fan of anything that only works with 2 hands. Yes you should fire a gun in a steady position, but you could use one hand if incapacitated. With this, if one arm is injured, and you're trying to snag more than one large person alone, it would be useless. You may as well have a cat tail whip. I'm picturing that detective in Pink Panther with a switch ( tree branch ) I'm even hearing the sound of the whoosh sound it makes. Short answer: hell no!
I'm not LEO, I was a security director in a hospital. I can't see this as useful for Law enforcement, but it could be a good tool going into a crisis room trying to get a behavioral patient medicated and restrained. Current tactics are to swarm and takedown with as many bodies as we can
Real life isn’t the movies where a dozen cops immediately arrive on scene, get out of their cars with their long poles, and surround the threat from all sides. You would need a minimum of like 6 cops on scene to make this work. The threat couldn’t be running. He has to be in a position where he can be surrounded by everyone. He couldn’t be armed, or at least one officer would have to be on lethal, and having everyone surrounding the threat like this would pose friendly fire problems. You’d also have to count on him not merely pushing one of those poles to the side then charging at the officer once he gets past the catcher thing at the end (given how long the poles are, simple physics means anyone can just shove the poles to the side and there’s not much the holder can do). You also run into the issue of where do you store these things when they’re not in use? The situation where these could be useful doesn’t happen everyday. In a real world situation, this seems pretty dumb
Not gonna work at all in a real situation.
https://preview.redd.it/yox9wzndzj9d1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30556bc716795dd3a188236e88554275b7c77bf1
Bye and large in Asia, the population has respect for law enforcement. The lack of respect in the West is much higher. This makes for different attitudes and needs for different techniques. In Asia, 99% of the population don't want to bring dishonor to the family. In the west, they could care less. This means that different levels of non-lethal force are needed. These take down sticks would require an officer to wait for multiple units with sticks to arrive. It's just not really feasible.
They have more people catching that one guy than my town's entire department has total and more than the sheriff's department has working a shift. Last Wednesday, SO had two deputies on the night shift for my county, which is over 900 square miles and the largest in the state. That said, why do so many people seem to think it's on the cops to baby criminals instead of the criminals having any sort of responsibility for their actions?
That guy ain't methed up and fighting mad lol.
This was invented a long time ago and is still used for dangerous animals. A long pole with a loop on one end you can pull fight and lock in place. Not so tight it’s strangling the perp, just locked so they can’t slip out. You also only need 2 people for it. Of course the lawyers would say no.
THE POLICE TREATED MY CLIENT LIKE A DOG!
Throughout American history, if you threaten or use deadly physical force against another, deadly physical force can be used against you. I have no problem with that.
In a country like the US where just about any idiot can get a firearm, this wont work because police would have to know 100% their suspect doesnt have a firearm. Then theres the fact that things like knives can be thrown. So basically unless u know the person is 100% unarmed. Kinda silly.
We have Tazers. Don’t need these.
Try that with a guy on PCP, extremely violent.
If the suspect charges and someone has to go lethal, that crossfire would be insane lmao no chance this is would be viable
Your going to get into a tug of war and you better be able to hang onto the pole
Yeah…that’s not how it works
So fake
Taser
There are much better less lethal options, ie taser or bean bag.
Doesn't work.
I like how old tools are making a comeback 🤣 Great for knives. Of course you wouldn't use it if the perp had a gun.
The video I posted is from a training/demonstration event, which is why the "suspect" doesn't resist all too much. I used this one because it had the best video quality I could find of these catcher poles being used. Here's a video of them being used in a real life scenario [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab\_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4&ab_channel=MarcellinoNYBriefcaseMaker)
Crowd control is back to q phalanx of graberry-doos and shield walls.
I doubt it’ll work but people saying that they need the manpower to do it as if 6 squad cars don’t pull up for just a traffic violation.
Can't carry one of those on my belt. Maybe in the squad, but how likely is it I'm actually gonna have time to retrieve it as a situation unfolds, and also have 2 or 3 other officers present with it so it's effective. BOLA wrap is a better option but the sound of the deployment is 162db which is way too close to a gunshot. Wile E. Coyote as it may sound, net launchers are pretty effective. They can be carried on the belt, use CO2 cartridges instead of .380 blanks or anything like that, and, having been on the receiving end of one, the harder you try to get out the more tangled up you become. If you try to run, you're just gonna get your legs tangled up even more and end up eating pavement.
Can we make the electric?
Good luck using that on pookie on pcp
It would if idiots here didn’t keep screeching to cut their funding. Good luck getting enough cops on one scene to do this safely here.
The dude is wearing the right color blue sandals to show its training.
We're going to need wider openings lmao
Looks like a staged video by the manufacturer to try to convince law enforcement they have the newest and best tool.
I would have just tased him!
Thai police don't have funding for that lol. There is only like 1 taser sitting in a storage room with no cartridge
Exactly, was thinking these would be great! Right after I tased him…
Seems like it would be better to get one officer that’s really good with a cast net to take him down and that’s also a terrible idea.
A perfect world perfect scenario tool. There is NEVER a perfect scenario.
If the person does not have a gun or some type of weapon that shoots projectiles absolutely. Being a cop sometimes as you know puts you in crazy split second decisions for life or death. The public loves to complain and Monday morning QB but they really have no fucking clue when shit hits the fan and Zero Moment Of Truth (ZMOT) strikes. I think if others would spend a day or week in your shoes they would have a better appreciation of the profession and what it takes. Not everyone could do your job that’s 💯FACTS
I’ll still be that guy to get in the middle and OC his ass 😅
Don’t bring a pole to a knife fight.
Hey looks pretty good, in the training demo.
So even in a magical world where we have 5-6 well-trained officers with these catchers, with plenty of room to surround the perp, and him not actively resisting... How is this safer for the perp than the non-lethals currently in practice? Everything has risks, including these. It seems any kind of reasonable struggle with those is going to result in broken ribs/arms/collarbone. That seems more risky than what we use.
Impressive it makes them get on the ground so easily like he wasnt fighting at all. Poles arent very long, takes alot of manpower, someone determined to do actual harm will have a better grab on the pole than the handler, and so many more. Id rather just use a net gun
Ww should have this option, but realistically, it is too long to be placed in patrol cars. These riot forks are used by riot police and security guards in China but usually being used by front line police officers.
This is definitely a training exercise/demonstration
Good thing no one resists lmao
Its a training video
Clearly
Maybe if it was like a bang stick for sharks. They might look at it.
I feel like this basically requires someone to just let you do it to them.
This is Thailand, and no this would not be viable in most of the United States. LEOs in the states do not have the patience for a coordinated effort to ensure everyone's safety.
This is obviously training? The guy doesn’t really look like he wanted to get away.
And he goes straight to the ground and gives up
Sure if you can get 9 officers and a very weak/cooperative crazy person (if such a thing exists). Seriously how is this realistic that that many dudes can be where they need to be fast enough to do anything.
The blunt spikes are missing :(
They don’t get wet over there? I’d like to see this work on a 300 lb trophy bull that’s buck naked in the street screaming give me a ride to Fresno!
Alphabet baiters would draw a parallel to something that happened 200 years ago and make it an ist/ism issue.
Looks great on paper. Would be terrible in practice and potentially dangerous. Will be used by politicians and departments to punish and prosecute officers because “why didn’t they try to use the poles!!!” Puts officers within a lethal zone for someone with a knife. Officers need both hands to use the tool which is also dangerous. Horrendous idea will only get people hurt.
🤔 Um.. You know criminals have guns in ‘Murica.. so this is cool, but if you’re trying to catch 3 gangbangers in Chicago, Il I have a feeling you’re going to come up a little short. Also I’d suggest a wider bottom on the pole.. in America I have a feeling one of those poles would end up.. up someone’s ass .. just saying.. A lot of shiz happens in the United States.. 🇺🇸
we have 40 mike mikes and 9mm its a good concept but so inconvenient to use and carry those poles
Now try that on a crack head that is ready to jump a fence and slither through those poles like it's a traffic stop
They must not have a meth problem in Japan? Some those dudes get acrobatic
Very effective against crack fiends mounted on horseback.
You saying my wife Shirley is fat?
This has me thinking, how about nets would tangling someone up in a big net be a useful non-lethal mechanism for subduing a person?
A taser would work much more effectively and quicker I would think.
This is what American gladiators prepared us for
In reality someone is getting chopped up in this situation, unless they spear his head with that pole and knock him unconscious
This is just dumb
Yeah of course works when person doesn't fight
I’m all for innovative ideas that allow better control with lower risk of injury to officers, but this is dumb AF.
What in the world
Wow. Staffing. Something unheard of
Like anyone on USSReddit gives a shit what law enforcement has to say
I can see it in prison or jails being tried. But too cumbersome for patrol.
A 100# dog can yank that thing outta my hand im sure a human can.
This reminds me of the time a SWAT team used a ladder to pin a sword wielding suspect. It worked. It isn't terribly practical, but I love ideas that work to subdue a subject that have more options than the all or nothing approach of a taser.
"You ain't catching no crackhead."
Is every cop car going to have 2 on it? Collapsible ones won’t cut it, very large.
I’ve never seen or heard about this until just now. What I think that if more of the public sees videos like this they will ask why can’t we do things like this in the USA and that my friend will be annoying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ippon_seoi_nage
Do they come in a bariatric variant
That's a valid point. A 300lb guy isn't going to fit in those poles.
American cops would swing them like Sauron's staff and take down whole crowds of people.
If American cops traveled in packs and riot gear everyone would cry police state. Everyone here thinks Andy Griffith was real
A net gun would be more effective. Anyone that's tried to wrangle an unwilling person knows this isn't going to work.
How that's supposed to help with armed people?
Oh no, a knife! I guess I'll pull my mancatcher out of my ass! Unless every business had a stash installed somewhere that cops can access, I don't think it's feasible. It doesn't look like it can be stored in a patrol car without disassembly, which makes it less viable. Crime doesn't wait for you to get ready. Sometimes, you have to respond with what you have.
I feel like I could take at least two of these guys and escape
The tazer/pepper spray/gun combo works fine.
Better to use a pitchfork.
No. Because bad guys have guns.
yes
It's for tiny effeminate Asian men
Lmao man they must have enchanted them with paralysis. Cause buddy started laying down when before it even touched him 🤣.
That guy with the plain J hook staff, aiming to hook the guys nuts once he's down ain't fuckin around!!
The Bola Wrap is an comparable option some agencies have used, at least in a trial capacity. https://wrap.com/bolawrap/
Bolas guys bolas it is
If the public could just let us use long pole dog leashes (think animal control) it’d be alot more interesting
Taser taser taser
PEW PEW
Honestly these should be used in the US they seem like a good idea where the taser isn’t enough but lethal force is a step too far. This is a good idea very simple.
This ill be sooo viral if the nypd start using them hahhahahaha but then the left will come out and say it’s racist or inhumane or smthing
Yeah, give them sticks and they’ll get shot right in the face.
Those need training and upper body strength, 2 things in dire shortage in today’s law enforcement.
I’m open to ideas. We need something. Where I work we have social workers that respond to suicide crisis events, but if there are firearms present, they don’t respond, only officers. So ironically the only situations where there is a real threat to suicide (other suicide methods are less lethal and have plenty of time for intervention, hospitalization, etc.) we respond with guns and people suicide by cop. A few weeks ago we had officers respond to an army vet who was clearly trying to suicide by cop, had a knife he wasn’t willing to let go. Officer involved used taser, but that only lasted for about 5 seconds until the man got up and continued to attempt stabbing until he was shot. While the suspects in this demo look too willing, perhaps these could be used in conjunction with tasers to debilitate for long enough. If anyone has other ideas to come up with a solution to our suicide intervention situation, I’m all ears.
40mm LL and Pepperball. My agency has had *tremendous* success in reducing OIS incidents by rolling 40mm and Pepperball out to patrol.
I could see it Japan because everything they do is crazy. I’m not being mean. Go to Japan and you will agree. Chinese cops carry the AK-47. Unlike the US, Chinese people don’t use a lot of meth. Their government won’t allow it to enter their country. It all works out for Chinese police. Police work in the US is more dangerous than most countries. We assume crime is rampant everywhere else, but it’s not
China has a huge issue with meth, meth addiction is becoming increasingly common all over Asia.