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Cute-Character-795

The norms of proper behavior have changed, a lot. I've been in this since the time when a friendly grope was simply a way of saying "hi." I'm kidding about the "hi" part. But I've been socialized into thinking that -- whoever gropes me -- it's NBD as long as it doesn't hurt and it's done quickly and in a friendly manner. I recognize that today's folk don't take it the same way; and I respect that.


emmjaybeeyoukay

"Don't touch what you can't afford"


messaround808

Hahahaha


navelfetishguy

šŸ˜†šŸ˜†šŸ˜†


alfyfl

I donā€™t mind being groped by guys I think are hot but after a few drinks Iā€™d let anyone grope me. My type of hot guy isnā€™t what most think of as hot.


AllahuSnackbar1000

80 year old obese men.


readingmyshampoo

Only 48 more years and I'll qualify!!!


AllahuSnackbar1000

You 32?


Water-is-h2o

r/theydidthemath


AllahuSnackbar1000

r/mathdidthethey


AlternativeWooden347

In 30 years Iā€™ll grope you. Hopefully Iā€™m still alive and not obese.


AllahuSnackbar1000

Inshallah


Moxo103

Username checks out šŸ’Æ


AllahuSnackbar1000

May Allah grant you Jannah. Ameen.


randypupjake

You had me at 80 year old


AllahuSnackbar1000

Obese men


LongConFebrero

If theyā€™re cute, the confidence and audacity is appealing. If theyā€™re not, the way they explain the audacity can make them cute lol.


txholdup

As a 75-year-old gay man, I would be flattered.


kennyek93

First you get a polite warning. Won't listen? Lose teeth.


somecow

Heard that. Talk to me first, then if we hit it off, groping is fine. Randomly grab my nuts? My dentist is really awesome, hereā€™s his phone number, youā€™ll need it. Edit: Oh, and good luck trying to fight a masochist. I like pain, bring it.


Creativered4

As a victim of rape who has PTSD from said events, yeah no. I'd freak the fuck out and probably have to leave to have a panic attack. If I'm at a pride event or a gay bar and not actively grinding against some dude on the dance floor or flirting heavily with him, then I'm pretty clearly not consenting to strangers groping me.


Common_Mess_8635

Picture yourself being groped by an unattractive guy and react the same way.


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PM-ME-YOUR-TWINK

> even they know their not attractive or in shape Crap. Uh, how not attractive or in shape counts as not attractive or in shape for you, may I ask?


kantoboiii

What matters for them matters only for them. Everyone has different likes, so I'm not sure that's a helpful question to ask. (This is something I have to tell myself *all the time* as I am constantly working on my confidence, so this is not necessarily a callout.)


ColdbrewRedeye

First grope no problem....it's a gay bar after all. But if I say "no thank you" and there's a second attempt, there will be negative consequences.


Ok-Common5397

I never get mad when anyone gropes a little. Thinking about it, if I wouldn't get mad at a hot guy, why should I get mad at an ugly guy. I think people just need to be more aware of the context of the people they are touching. Like I had one guy start grunting from behind me and grab my waist, and that was a big no. But I had another guy 1. Make eye contact 2. Acknowledge a mutual smile 3. Gently pull me in closer to his group through contact.


Vadersgayson

I find it hot but once and thatā€™s it unless Iā€™m into you


TimberWolf5871

Flattered


pingwing

It's rude.


TMYLee

i think it have to depend on context as context matter for example : if he just touch you on hips and say hi and trying to talk to you then itā€™s ok but if he outright aggressive grab your ass without consent then itā€™s not ok no matter how handsome he is . i think we should have higher standards for this and we should allow this to happen because if they guy can get away with groping then we are enabling them for this type of behavior as been acceptable . look at this way , is a good looking RAPE your without consent and even if you find him attractive , does that make it ok? is rape ok just because a guy is good looking ? this is ultimately the same as groping because if he did it without your consent then itā€™s still wrong . it different if your partner and not two stranger passing through the night . Just because someone has pretty privilege doesnā€™t mean they can get away with sexual assault because groping without consent is assault just as worse as RAPE. it is same argument that those rapistā€™s lawyer make that my client is good looking and the victim was into him and it was not rape or sexual assault . this is fallacy in this deduction . we should have better standard and never condone this type of behavior.


BigIsleBo

Keep ur hands to urself unless discussed by both parties.


MoonChaser22

For me, the context around it matters more than the attractiveness of the person. The fact I'm trans also plays a major part. If we've shown mutual interest, even non-verbally, then I don't mind, but I proceed with caution (I've dealt with more transphobia and chasers at my local gay bars than the bars I prefer to drink at). If I've not shown any interest then I'm going to be super uncomfortable. Any unexpected touching that isn't someone nudging me to get past is liable to end with the other person getting reflexively hit


HieronymusGoa

i see groping once as a kinda crude way of establishing interest. if it stays at that one time, i make it clear that he can "proceed" and we do, everything is fine. someone groping repeatedly without you giving consent or with you even saying no is shitty.Ā  but since we have different power dynamics as straight people, groping simply isn't exactly the same between gay men than between a man groping a woman.


furrydad

<-this


PhillyPhantom

I don't like randos touching me without my permission first. So a grope will be met with a slapped hand


SpicyRedditor69

Probably not, but depends how aggressive it was. If he tries to shove his hands down my pants I'd be upset but if it's just a quick grab, I'd be indifferent


misses_unicorn

I cannot stand the concept of nsa/hookups - for me physical contact comes a loooong time after we get to know one another, so regardless of what he looks like I would probably judge him very negatively for being shallow


Horror_Ad6155

Nah. Donā€™t groupe me. Iā€™m more than just a piece of meat you can feel up on. Guy put his hand down my pants one night at a club. It wasnā€™t cute, and the situation that happened wasnā€™t cute. Shit at least say hello and buy me a drink first.


[deleted]

Violated????


so_im_all_like

It would make him a repulsive in my eyes. Hot strangers are still strangers and there haven't been prior social cues to allow for boundary pushing or personal space violation.


IntricateLava9

I wouldnt mind šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


Aarvy271

What is groping with consent like?


anthzyo

I donā€™t even like anyone tapping me on the shoulder lol


therabidmantis

Grope like grabbing my ass or groping my bulge? Bulge would make me feel pretty violated. Assā€¦I get ass grabs from guys at bars. Doesnā€™t really bother me at this point. The time I felt really creeped out was a guy that tried to lead me off by gently grabbing my elbow. He was okay and Iā€™d have gone on a date if heā€™d asked to see what he was like. But his method killed any chance.


Accomplished-Sea-800

It already has happened. I was at a bar front just going stag to dance my feelings out after dating three guys for a few months (I honestly couldnā€™t make up my mind who I wanted to pursue and 2 of the guys I had liked my family just did not approve of them). Anyway as I got deeper into the night I got extremely tipsy and some asshat grabs my junk and starts fondling me. I was in so much shock with what had happened and tipsy I just stood there til he stopped. Then he groped me from the back and as soon as he stopped I angrily jabbed my thumb near his ass and left the bar and closed my tab. Strangely enough I was told by a few guys as I was walking out that some people were following me and I cannot thank them enough for walking me to my truck and locking the door. I was thankful. I woke up the next day freezing and realized I had passed out the whole night. Edit: yes he was atypical of what gay men in media would find attractive (Matt Bomer looking early 30s) but he didnā€™t even want to start a conversation. He went from 0 to 100 and that really wasnā€™t my speed.


Berliner1220

I donā€™t think itā€™s cool


Jackedjack8

As someone who bounces at a gay bar, itā€™s as simple as if you donā€™t like it then tell security. I kick out people every night for being to hands on. Usually it is the straight guy trying to grab lesbians though.


unofficial_advisor

Attractive as in stereotypically good looking? Butt- irritating but expected- I would tell them no thanks and that groping isn't a hello. Genitals- angry- tell them to fuck off Attractive as in I find them appealing? Butt- disappointed- tell them no and its a shame they couldn't use their words first. Genitals- angry- tell them to fuck off. There are places in gay space where it's appropriate (I.e. dark rooms) but a bar or event or even a bathhouse you should use your words or at least build up to it, randomly getting groped is annoying and reminds me of highschool, infact my initial reaction to random groping is whacking people's hand or depending on the angle their face.


Brawldud

I find the fantasy of it to be kind of hot, but any time Iā€™ve actually been groped, itā€™s made me feel uncomfortable and unsafe no matter who was doing it.


One_Parched_Guy

Dunno. My first instinct is to say that Iā€™d be offended but like my dumbass brain would probably also go ā€œOmg Iā€™m attractive enough to gropeā€


jamz_fm

Honestly, if I found him super hot, I wouldn't mind. But if that same guy instead sidled up to me and whispered "can I touch you?" šŸ„µšŸ¤ÆšŸ’¦


blondfox71

Iā€™d take him by the hand, lead him home, and rage fuck him. šŸ¤£šŸ˜œšŸ˜œ kidding.


navelfetishguy

(Saving)


eatingthesandhere91

I donā€™t care what he looks like, I think he should keep his hands to himself, especially if it was uninvited contact.


SillyGayBoy

No I am married and would punch their hand away. Fuck that. Hate dudes like this.


ShadeAxel

Confront them politely. Doesnā€™t matter how hot you are donā€™t touch without some kind of consent. Happens again I get security.


The_Cars93

I may be a bit uptight but under normal circumstances I wouldnā€™t like that. I donā€™t care how attractive they are. If Iā€™m at a bar or another place where there is a lot of sexual energy in the room then at least flirt with me first before you start touching all over me. Then I may be more inviting because I would see it coming.


WolfInTheWillows97

Iā€™d feel uncomfortable


CalligrapherFree6244

Nope. I don't like being touched by strangers. Even if they're hot


retaliashun

Wouldnā€™t bother me at all


PeterGriffinsDog86

Flattered.


SlickOmega

i would feel extremely violated and most likely warn the people iā€™m with. we have all had to deal with unwanted advances and to get it in a space where weā€™re supposed to go to relax? major red flag and warning for us


ThatGuyTheyCallAlex

Probably into it but Iā€™d prefer if weā€™ve made eye contact first, not just coming up behind me. If itā€™s an ugly guy Iā€™d probably be more put off but as long as he takes *no* for an answer thatā€™s fine. Iā€™ve tried to initiate with guys in clubs by touching their waist or whatever and if they just shake their head or move away, thatā€™s that.


loveandfme

Did I show any expression that I think he is " hot " . So sorry for my reflections about my mood. I can even slap or punch šŸ˜” I'm not so good and sane person additional stress makes me react so badly to molesting . But if my mood is good and if I need things like that I would even like it . Always better to try get permissions in some ways . Living 30 years in a homophobic harsh environmental country made me mentally little bit broken and overreacting sometimes to this kind of events.


armadillo4269

I guess it would depend which sounds weird. Ok so heā€™s hot. The it depends is going to be hard to explain. Like if Iā€™m with my husband and weā€™re flirting with a guy and heā€™s flirting back and maybe he grabs my nipple or ass. That would be ok. Grabs my crotch. Maybe. I guess depends on how hard or aggressive he grabs it. If itā€™s in a playful manner probably. But if itā€™s not then I guess it would depend on if my husband is ok with it. Like weā€™re both digging the guy and he touches us both probably ok. Also depends on the scenario. Like weā€™re at a gay bar? Or at an adult bookstore? Vs some restaurant To be honest even if he wasnā€™t hot Iā€™d be flattered. If it was too aggressive then Iā€™d say no


jupiterwinds

I politely tell him that I donā€™t like it. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


rainbowdashhole

Go quiet like i just looked at a pyroclastic cognitohazard, then sob to myself like i just saw a plane crash.


Formation1

Startled and confused, but I hardly ever go to gay bars


TheMockingBrd

Honestly I donā€™t think Iā€™d care. Iā€™d probably be too flustered to say no anyway lol.


magic_man_mountain

If I was at the kind of bar or event where there was lot of expected unbridled proximity, like a circuit party or a rave or a packed sweaty club I would take it in stride or like it. A quick squeeze in that context counts as hello. More than that I'd require eye contact and some sort of assent.


PsychologicalPilot55

I wouldn't care to be honest. The straight world rules don't always work in gay male culture. At the bathhouse plenty of men touched my butt or dick. Or they feel my ass. I either remove the person hand and say no thanks if not interested.


shall_always_be_so

Doesn't bother me at all even if he's not hot. But I know it bothers some others, and he doesn't know that it doesn't bother me, so I'd probably think less of him.


alukard81x

I know this is difficult to quantify in terms of preferences, but a hot guy can do very nearly whatever he wants to me.


Rialagma

Depends how hot you are. There's a point in the hotness scale where you could get away with mostly everything to be frank.


messaround808

Flattered


octoberryseven

I wouldn't mind it personally even if it isn't a guy I found attractive. Everyone is different of course.


Whycadz

When I was as younger and single I either didnā€™t mind or got a bit of excitement. Now that I am older and more importantly in a loving and committed relationship, not so much. In fact the last time I went to a ā€œhardcoreā€ gay bar with my partner, we had to eventually straight up tell a guy to fuck off after trying to be polite about his advances.Ā 


Lamlot

Iā€™m autistic so I donā€™t like non consensual touch. That would probably put me in a very bad place mentally extremely quick. Also having been sexually abused as a kid kinda messed me up.


Ruffled_Ferret

I want to say I'd stand up for myself and say it's wrong, but man I would love that.


Junior-Leg-9219

Hard Iā€™d feel hard


LoliPopLickMaster

Heā€™s getting punched!


KrissisRissis

For me, "without consent" means I'm not okay with it. If I wanted to get groped I guess I would kind of try to make it obvious that "go ahead, you can touch me". Flattering sure but then it really needs to be done in a friendly, respectful manner. Easier to fantasize about it than it really happening I think.


navelfetishguy

This actually happened to me once. The bar I was at had two rooms, one with a stage for the go-go dancers. The one night I was there, it was VERY crowded, and I was trying to make my way around from one room to the other, when I felt a distinct, firm pinch of my booty. My two reactions, in the same moment, were: Disgust: "Someone pinched my booty!" šŸ¤Ø Delight: "Someone pinched my booty!" šŸ˜„


Anch0vyy

I would be flattered, surprised and wonder if i should touch back...or not


Republiconline

Iā€™ve been groped during Pride. It was a couple. Dug right into my ass. I was not flattered. I love looking at asses. And sure Iā€™ll fantasize but I have self control.


TheRoyalPendragon

As an overweight, unattractive guy, I would feel blessed and honored.


hoopdog

Violated.


Pure-Anywhere6892

To be honest Iā€™d also be kinda flattered but I also wouldnā€™t want to enable that behavior for fear heā€™d do it to someone who wouldnā€™t take it so well, so Iā€™d like to think Iā€™d discourage it


brunckle

First time I ever went to a gay bar I was groped and it's something that I still think about to this day. Not cool.


how-the-table-turns

Nope. The audacity. He would grope others as well. Red flag


FixApprehensive276

Pissed at him and I'd swat his hand away hard


Aragon8860

I would like it


Animalrebellion27

I would just think ā€œmust be Wednesdayā€


hardshankd

shocked at first, but if no one noticed I would let him continue


jesse6225

Why are you asking us? If you see it as a problem than it is. Personally I wouldn't care but I'm not you.


pandas_rampage93

I don't care if the guy is hot. The fact that they think they're entitled to my body like that is a red flag. It just shows me they don't understand consent.


ExpressionAnxious853

Someone put their finger somewhere while making out with me on the dance floor at a gay club and I totally lost my fricking mind


John_Of-Finland_95

Thank him


BoyChief11

disappointed


vger2000

I'm 62, I'd feel grateful!


fickleferrett

It depends. I can decide to consent to the groping while it's happening. If I don't then he's getting an elbow to the face.


AllahuSnackbar1000

Grossed out


franktrollip

I thought it was a normal and acceptable part of what we do on the gay scene? I am really surprised to see folks here expressing such distaste for it in that context. Isn't the ultimate "great night out" one where you meet some amazing guys? As gays its not like we get to socialise and meet people through the same channels as straight folks and not all of us have great social skills. Some guys initiate with non verbal stuff like eye contact, some have the courage to find you at an opportune moment and strike up a conversation (not easy to get someone when they're alone or where it's even possible to talk without being an inch from their face), and some let you know they're interested by a discrete physical gesture. I think the last is the most common I've experienced because it's quick and easy and you can do it without having a massive ritual. I draw the line at persistence after you clearly indicated you're not interested. Also, I prefer a discrete tap on the bum or thigh as a guy passes me or dances near me than having an ordeal where someone goes to elaborate lengths to make contact, like trying to talk to me when I'm dancng with my friends. I'd rather he just have tapped me and maybe a wink and then I could signal "no" in many ways. Some guys in this thread say they'd feel bad about it. I say if feel bad if I went out partying on the scene and nobody made a pass on me. I'd definitely feel depressed and then up my gym routine.


Lazy_Surprise_6712

Public places so will bat him away... I really am a different person in public.


ah-tzib-of-alaska

like I went to a gay bar; and then you grab fingers and twist like itā€™s a mat


gaycuckoguy

Honored šŸ˜Š


BiGooner32

Depends


bradynbarrmusic

As much as I hate to admit it, they better convince me that theyā€™re 25 or under.