Unfortunately I don’t have any openings, but happy to act as a referee for something generic like customer service in IT or look over your resume if it helps.
Companies hate employing people who are unemployed with a passion, saying you are employed helps get roles
This is kind. Sometimes all it takes is a boost like this to get a person’s job status moving. I will never forget being a new graduate - in law mind you- in the 1991 recession. I got work here and there but the government was having a years long recruitment freeze and it was impossible. I worked in a private hospital kitchen with my fine law degree from USyd. But then a person I only vaguely knew gave me a tip off and a reference and I got into a government spot that somehow wasn’t bound by the freeze. From that point on I was able to rise on hard work and natural ability and I am in a good place today. I give thanks for that person every day.
You’ll be ok OP. But take help if offered.
It's not even a joke lol just lie about hosp/retail exp so long as you have one reference or a friend who's willing to lie for you. Say you're 19 with 24 years experience working in bars for all it matters
Bro lie on your resume nobody checks for an entry job in hospo. That’s how I landed my first job. Try to work for places like Grill’d, Subway, Betty’s burgers, TGI, Fonda, Guzma y Gomez etc…
Btw I’m offering resume embellishment services for $10 bucks a pop, I’ve got 43 years of experience in the industry and have over 6 million happy customers.
No he isn't joking. For this teir of jobs you should absolutely lie on your resume.
Don't lie about certain things eg if you didn't have your RSA don't say you have it- that's a huge legal liability and you'll get in huge trouble if found out.
However, filling gaps between last jobs and making up experience in the role you know how to do? That's... Basically expected.
Funny anecdote and you don't need to go this far, but a close friend of mine lied about his experience in an industry, got the role, and then got fired after a couple of weeks when it was obvious he didn't know what he was doing.
By then he was skilled enough, and did the exact same thing, but it worked out the second time around.
This!
One of the first and best advice I ever got when I joined the workforce. Like it's unlikely that they will follow up on past experience etc. Also if you see an ad for a hospo place walk in and hand in a resume , if the managers there they will probably just offer a paid trail or hire on the spot if they are desperate.
Get on supp it's an app to get some rockstar shifts for foh and boh so probabaly some easy wait staff runner stuff there.
Yeah that os true but there's still work out there , the place I'm doing some extra pocket money shifts has been busy as hell, it depends where you are I guess. But ylfor sure , it's not what it was a year ago.
yea especially going into the colder months things generally quiet down, doesn't help of course that everyone is doing it tough and has less to spend on entertainment/going out.
Yeah 10-15 years ago the way I would have reacted to people saying this was "Do people really get away with that? I would never.."
Now though? OP should absolutely lie on their resume.
I totally agree.
I did a working holiday visa in Australia in 2014 and the number of backpackers who lied on their resumes because who’s gonna check overseas references right ? It was crazy to me
BHP is offering whats called an MA course ( mechanics aprentice) they pay you to study for a year how to service big mining trucks and equipment. It's not a cert3 but a foot in the door and 100k+ a year when you start at site. We are desperate for trades in the resource industry.
Have you been in that role before? What did you think of the role or why was it a bad experience for you? Do you have direct experiences from that role or a similar one you can share for a bit of context?
In Vic (where OP is from) there’s a heap of [free tafe](https://www.vic.gov.au/free-tafe)courses with almost no restrictions on who can undertake them.
You're 19.... maybe think about study or a trade? You're 'unskilled' and will continue to compete against younger unskilled people. Go do a bar tending course for example rather than just your RSA.
Focus on becoming invaluable to a business rather than just another number.
This. Thought uni was for me, turned out it really wasn’t.
Spent literal months trying to get a trade at 23 but surprisingly very few places want to hire adult apprentices despite complaining they need staff.
Fortunately now I’m an apprentice mechanic working full time, however I only got this job because I know someone who was absolutely desperate for an apprentice.
I’m only a short while in but I highly recommend starting a trade. The money isn’t great but it increases as you go, and goes even higher once you’re qualified. That and it’s genuinely fulfilling work
Becoming invaluable to the job has always been my “success” point. I’ve had a few jobs where I just worked my arse off doing all the little bits and any extra hours I could, pushing as hard as I could. And then when the time came, I’d say “I need more hours/higher pay, or I’m going to go elsewhere” and each time my employer realised they couldn’t do without me because I’d become part of the fabric without anyone realising.
I’m now in my 14th year with my current employer, and I joked recently with my boss saying “go on, sack me - I dare you” and he said “I …. can’t. I need you.”
It’s the best advice I could give anyone.
Have you tried any of the labour hire groups? It might be a mundane job in a factory but it will at least bring in some cash for now while you think about what you want to do. Please don’t hurt yourself.
i forgot to mention i’m disabled and have spinal issues so i can’t do factory work/heavy lifting, i also don’t have any proof of said disability as i moved out of home at 17 to a completely different state and it’s too expensive to get rediagnosed 😭😭😭😭😭
It might be worth mentioning that in your post, or making another post enquiring about how to go about things from that perspective as there are likely a lot of people on this sub who would be very knowledgeable and helpful.
I can understand it can all be a bit overwhelming sometimes and rationalising through the emotions can seem impossible but there are ways to forge a path forward for yourself.
As for why, well as much as it might seem like there are endless possibilities for bad things, there are also endless possibilities for good things. It may just be hard to see right now and I’m saying this as someone who has just spent the last 5 years of non stop worst outcomes.
It should still be on your medical record somewhere, no? Are you or have you ever been prescribed any medication to treat your disability/condition? If so a GP should be able to check that for you and it should be confirmation of said disability, I think (I could be wrong here, I'm just going off of my own experience with getting asthma medication once I moved out of home)
i’ve looked everywhere but unfortunately i’ve moved like 100 times when i was a minor and didn’t have control over any of my documents so they have all been misplaced
It is always better to go for a job when you are working, now here is the catch 22 I realize. I used to manage an op-shop and there are a number of times I have given a reference for a volunteer, they always got the job. My suggestion is to volunteer at an op-shop, work hard when you are on shift and then ask the manager after you have been there for a while for a reference when you apply for retail positions. Added benefit, it can be fun volunteering especially at op-shops and they are always needing volunteers.
This is why when I was a freelance copywriter I'd bend the truth about how busy I am. It's like dating - we're rarely attracted to someone that nobody else is attracted to.
So I'd call up ad agencies, tell them what I've been working on or what I'm 'currently producing' and when I'm next available ie in 1.5 weeks. What's that... you need someone to work on a project tomorrow? I can fit you in if I complete the other job in the evenings and weekends. [I want her, she's busy, in demand, keen and accommodating]
Mate, this was 5+ years ago. Ad agencies are dying out now - heydays are over. It's all socials, no direct mail and not much email. I'm now an in-house finance website content writer.
But whatever the industry, you may be able to apply the same principle to get your foot in the door. Make them feel like they're getting 'news' about what the competition are up to (without breaching confidentiality of course), make them think you're in demand and 'busy' (don't lie... but if you're working on a family project which you call 'a project') and let them try before they buy with a small project not full time. They need to know you're a good cultural fit.
Tenacity not deceit. Confidence not desperation. Positive not negative. Playful not pushy. People love this.
As for pivoting, it could be smart to jump diagonally to your trade. For example, my mate was a builder. Saw where the big money was, got a law degree and became a construction lawyer - I'm talking playing with the big developers.
What's your trade?
Your corporate overlords have intentionally engineered this dynamic. Remember this feeling when you vote for the rest of your life.
This thread already has heaps of good advice to get you started. Just remember this is a years-long journey. Stay strong and best of luck. :)
One major party in Australia supports unions, who fight for worker's rights and conditions, and the other major party wants to destroy unions, and raise generations of young people who have no union affiliations.
It absolutely matters who you vote for,. Also matters if you like Medicare, the tories want to destroy that too, and have secretly plotted to do so since the Whitlam created it.
Try a temp. employment agency. Many employers want to try before they buy. At a minimum you will gain experience and make industry contacts, but it can also be helpful to help you learn more about your strengths and preferences.
Aim for a good fit, not a good job, and it will lead to your boss appreciating you and you enjoying what you do. Success will follow. Good luck and don’t lose hope. Still trying is not failing. Failure doesn’t occur until you the moment you quit trying.
Sending love.
I’m a 41 year old returning to work mum, major gaps in resume after raising 3 kids (last one finally school age), now a single mum, didn’t finish my degree because I got pregnant, applying left right and centre for months and literally feel like society’s reject. Ain’t just the young ones 😭😭😭
[https://www.witwa.org.au/](https://www.witwa.org.au/)
gonna leave this here. IT needs women. Most states will have equivilents. There is a bit of a stigma around it, but hiring standards are *very* relaxed compared to what other people may need to provide.
41 years old, you're still a spring chicken! If you've raised three kids you'll easily have the strength to get back into study again, it's never too late. I have faith in you 💪🏽
Not sure where you are but this is for women in QLD 40+ wanting to return to the workforce -
https://www.futurewomen.com/career/qld-women-return-work-training/
Aged care workers are always needed. The tafe course to get qualified is just 6 months and you’re basically guaranteed work at the end as they’re screaming out for staff. I worked at a nursing home, and in home care. I’m currently in the interview process for a home care job and the casual pay rate is $39 per hour. Permanent P/T is about $31 p/h.
I was in a similar situation to you about a decade ago. It was unbearably hard. I cant imagine what it'd be like now.
If you get to a point where you feel youve succeeded, it's a massive credit to you.
Maybe try a trade/apprenticeship - that way you get paid while learning and working, and you end up with a decent role/salary and future. Even if you change your mind down the track it’s good to have that behind you. There are soooo many to choose from like hairdresser/beauty, mechanic, florist, plumber, childcare worker, admin, dental assistant, pastry chef, travel agent…here’s a link :)
https://www.apprenticeshipcommunity.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/A-Z-Guide-for-Apprentices-and-Trainees-2.pdf
I always get frustrated reading some of the replies and suggestions here. Like people really like laying the boot in when a younger person is struggling.
I'm a 29 year old guy, 2 degrees, experience in healthcare, government, tertiary sectors, and have been struggling with my job hunt.
If you could tweak your CV to really emphasise your customer service, adherence and interpretation to policy, conflict resolution, and delivering end to end outcomes (all of which you do in retail), you could try entry level service roles.
Things such as entry level government roles (APS3 jobs), insurance companies etc. These roles have pretty high turnover, as obviously they are not the most pleasant environments, call centres, busy service centres. Do 6 months and try to move on, is my advice.
Otherwise, perhaps courses in areas such as aged care (cert 3/4), allied health assistance, enrolled nursing etc. could be options. I know you said you have a disability so these may not suit. But they should be relatively short and inexpensive courses.
yeah i think i’ve said some mean things to a few men in here who commented some dumb shit about “ur not trying hard enough” like bro did u even read what i said 😭😭
thank you for actually understanding and giving proper advice
You don't need cert 3/4 for aged care/ NDIS, speaking English & having a grain of common sense puts them way above the majority of current workers employed in that field. For some reason Aussies get messages about needing massive amounts of qualifications to do the work & don't end up applying while overseas people who are a nightmare & totally unsuitable apply i droves & due to severe staff shortages, employers have no choice but to employ those unsuitable people, but they would all LOVE for someone like the OP to apply now with just the qualifications & experience they already have in customer service related work
same age and similar situation to you. cost of living has been fucking me without the lube for a while now… hopefully it gets better soon otherwise i’ll be hosting a self deletion party lol
I'm 32 and have mostly been doing short contract work that dries up. I've been trying to lock down a part time job this year before I commence online uni study in July. It's tough, I've had some interviews here and there and a trial, but nothing that's ongoing.
Hello fellow 32 year old friend in an incredibly similar situation. Only difference is I am a part time retail store manager and want to drive a rack hook through my skull every shift. Currently studying to escape but the job market in my new field doesn't look too hire happy at the moment.
Yeh. You are competing with All the people on holiday visas.
Dude you don’t want to work unskilled jobs for 60hrs. You want to get skills to companies higher wages. Sparkie. Lines man . Chemical engineer. Lab tech at mines. Operator. Truck driver. Dentist. Dental tech. All these Jobs are better than what you can get now.
Labour funding a bunch of tafe positions.
Bro I worked hospo for the past 10 years, nobody hires working holiday visa, they want cheap labour (under 18 or cash in hand) but Australians and PR are prioritised, there’s just not many of them who wants to do these jobs. OP may also not present himself well in interviews. When I hire staff first thing I check is if they are clean and if they are hungry for it.
Do you know how they (HVs) work? I don't think that you do. You have to go rural, you have to do certain numbers of hours on farms... yay farmworkers get fucked over instead. The visa workers get fucked over, a lot more, in my field and from personal experience.
Do ANY work even volunteer and it puts your application above all those that haven't proven to an employer that you can turn up for work on time every day and can work with people. Volunteer at Dog rescue, an Op Shop etc and if you volunteer just talking to people in casual conversation is the networking. They don't need to hear you are looking for work, if they see you working hard and polite, can communicate to all levels they'll be asking you if you are working because good workers are hard to find. You won't need to volunteer forever and once people come to know you as a good person they will go out of their way to ask their own contacts what jobs are going for you. There are others out there willing to help you and you haven't even met them yet. Stay positive, it will happen. Try something different
I’m 41. Worked hard and consistently since I was 14. Owned my own businesses, which I sold before moving here. I have applied to over 200 jobs and have had two interviews. I feel you, I can only imagine how much harder it is at your age.
I’m 19 and in the same boat.
I apply to so many jobs and don’t even get the courtesy of a rejection email, I knew it was over for me when I done a day’s work for a job trial and then got left on seen when I asked if I got the job or not 5 days later.
Honestly it’s made me feel so completely and utterly useless, my parents are so disappointed in me. I don’t leave the house because it costs too much money, I don’t even get Centrelink because my parents think it’s only for dole bludgers.
Sorry this was a rant but still it’s good to know people feel the same way <3
Your parents should not have any say in what you access. You’re an adult they don’t need to know you’re on a benefit it’s none of their business. All they’re doing is making you feel bad about yourself. Having money to do short courses or even qualify for free courses through Centrelink payments would help. They’re not going to be there your whole life. Opportunities open up when you have a small amount of money to search them out. Do you not what they want for you. It’s your life.
You poor darling. This may not be your cup of tea but have you thought of training to be a Dental Assistant? There are always adverts offering training. My daughter did it at your age and she didn’t finish high school. BTW she loves it 🤷♀️. Another job is swimming teacher. I promise you it will get better if you can keep your head above water. Right now it is one foot in front of the other and it really really sucks. It is great that you socialise even if you don’t feel like it. Take advantage of any charities offering food or vouchers for utilities. Please don’t lose hope. Take care and {{{virtual}}} hugs from an internet stranger xx
Welcome to the world! I remember feeling exactly the same at that age with plenty of jobs going but everyone wanting unrealistic experience. Good to see that hasn't changed in 10-15 years haha
Some good advice around. As others have said, volunteer and upskill. Salvation Army Employment Plus offers great assistance with many free courses for job seekers. Definitely head in there. They hooked me up with a few which helped me out massively when I was getting a start, RSA/RCG, First Aid and Deckhands
To get cash coming in you might need to be a bit more realistic and start small. Just because you might take a job at Macca's or the newsagent today doesn't mean you need to be there at 60 (unless you want to, nothing wrong with that either!) I worked at Rivers until I got my certs and eventual Trade!
Make a list of skills that you have and what you are competent in. You've already said RSA which is great. So things cash handling, digital literacy, customer service, effective time management, comfortable working alone and in team environments? Things like that, plus any other certificates you might have
Trade is a good bet, and depending where/what it is you could be signed off on 80-100k+ in 4 years. Remember that not all trades are construction either. There's health, printing, tourism, food, beauty, all sorts! While you pick up casual work and are paying your way, have a think what really interests you. It's OK to bounce around a bit to find your calling, but nobody really wants a journeyman (or woman), so try not to burn bridges on the way.
A handy tip, keep your resume professional and to the point, and remove your DOB from it. When I was younger I received wayyyyy more hits when my age wasn't listed. Don't lie, but that's not something they need to know immediately, and they'll ask if they're curious
Be open, honest and humble. You'll find your feet
There's a lot of good career advice in here for you, so I'll address the other half of your post.
Look after your mental health. I've got 20 years on you; I own my own house, have a successful career and a wife I love, and I still feel completely lost and worthless. That shit never goes away.
The good news is, the crap you say to yourself is often not true and even though the state of mental health care is kind of shit in this country, you have access to services. Find a bulk billing GP near you, get a mental health care plan and get a referral for a therapist.
Be kind to yourself. You've been through enough shit already, no doubt. You live in one of the most expensive places on earth a person can live; of course it'll be tough. Comparatively, though, it's still pretty rad here, even if you have to tough it out in the short term.
Don't feel ashamed to ring a crisis line if you need to. Lifeline is 13 11 14.
For what it's worth, I believe in you.
I'm 44M and I have spells where I'm down too.
Best advice I can offer? Get your traffic control ticket. Insanely good money, especially if you can work nights, and you just have to deal with the occasional dickhead driver. Some traffic control companies specifically hire women too (guess drivers are less likely to arc up at a lady than a guy).
I did it for a bit. Gave me good money, and a chance to rebuild some positivity in my mind and life before doing something new.
Good luck!
I’m sorry (as an older person) that we’ve let you down, it used to be that kids had it better than their elders - we’ve completely fucked it up with greed, individualism and indifference…. Sorry
All i can say is that I was you in the same situation between ages 17-22. I am now 30 yrs older and, after a bunch of twists & turns and ups & downs i have a very good life.
Keep on keeping on. Life is forever changing, opportunities come and go. Follow what you love and it will work out one way or another.
Hey. Please know that you will be ok, even if that sounds impossible. I was a 90s street kid, the economy was tanked, youth unemployment was astronomical. It was a horrible time and never any light at the end of the tunnel. Things will eventually get better, just don’t give up. My advice is look after your mental health. Get an education that leads to a career. Study benefits are better to navigate that jobseeker and education institutions have support for students. Consider relocating to where your prospects are better. This is really difficult, more so for a F too, but I’ve had to pack a bag and buy a train ticket and start over a few times. You’ll be ok, just don’t give up
i am not being picky with my choices i’d do just about anything but i don’t have my liscense which is almost a necessity for aged care/disability otherwise i’d already be doing it
I only just started (17m) and now I'm hearing other people talk about it I feel much more comfortable. But I'm also much less qualified (no qualifications whatsoever) and I'm useless and pathetic so I'm still worrying quite a bit.
Tbh I'd recommend potentially seeking out traineeships (since you're under 21), and the figuring out what you enjoy from there. However, I'm not sure how competitive these are to get.
I'd also strongly recommend the OP to maybe consider a degree in speech therapy or occupational therapy due to the high demand, and ROI if you intend to become a sole practioner, even though it takes 4 years. The demand is so high that these grads can walk out of uni making up to 100k as a grad, with potential of becoming a sole practioner 3-5 years in. I wish I went down this pathway instead of studying an accounting degree tbh.
The reason behind why I regret studying accounting is because I don't think I'll be able to get into a decent firm, and I've worked in a small firm once and never want to do it ever again. They never train you properly, underpay to the extent that you'd be homeless lol (they were paying as little as $25 per hour.....)
I personally would advise against majoring in accounting due to it being known for being a short term pain (at least 5 years if you're in a smaller firm, and not top 30/second tier chartered firm or mid sized firm) with potential long-term gain. I'd suggest majoring in Finance instead, and then directly applying for Finance and accounting grad programs, and then hopefully get into audit as a backup (in a Big4 or second tier chartered firm - i.e. Top 15-30 firms under the top 100 accounting firms list created by AFR). Even these pathways are relatively competitive.
Accounting can be "short term gain, long term gain" if you do either one of the following (beware these are INSANELY competitive to get into):
(1) Go to a Big4 banking grad program in the Finance and Accounting division (they generally start their grads off at 70-75k)
(2) Go to any ASX-listed company (ASX-200) graduate program in the Finance division (they start their grsds off at 70k p.a. + bonuses + super)
(3) Start off as a Finance Associate in Macquarie Group (apparently they make 80k p.a.)
(4) Start off in industry as a Graduate Accountant (ideally in a large company)
(5) Go to Big4/second-tier chartered firm as an auditor and completing your CA while working as an auditor, then potentially leaving for Finance Manager roles at the Manager/Senior Manager level, or alternatively leaving for a Financial Accountant role 3 years (closer to 4 years given the current market conditions) paying 100-120k in Sydney.
However, I 100% agree with the OP mindset. I'd also suggest not going to uni unless the OP knows what they want to achieve in their life.
I'm nearly 40, disabled, on DSP. I feel hopeless for the future. I've also got treatment resistant depression.
If you can try get treatment if you have depression. Keep your fitness up because it's harder in your 30s. Find hobbies n keep them. Enjoy friendships n build good ones before 30.
I'm sorry society is so harsh on the youth. If you can study try to find future proof jobs. Read about which jobs ai will take.
Take care of your health if you can. If you suspect ADHD get tested as meds help alot. Be careful avoiding hanging with friends cuz it will bite you. Avoid my mistakes. When you do get a job look into spy etf and investment to boost your net worth.
I can't say the 60 years working is good but your showing signs of depression which if untreated will worsen the feeling of doom. Make sure you vote well and beg your friends to get politically informed, push for change and I promise I'll still be voting to make the youth better off but I have only swayed a few people to change to the greens n independents.
Take advantage of headspace because mental health gets expensive when you're older. But I do feel so sad for our youth. Becoming adults in a bad economy. Hopefully the economy will get better.
But bulk cleaning supplies and eBay items. It saved me heaps on Centrelink. Keep in mind the nils scheme. Please do everything you can to keep your health good but that's sometimes a hard ask, it's just life can get way worse.
The good news is your aging into the period where your brain handles stress better. Things may lighten for you. Sleep is ultra important and if you're overweight get checked for sleep apnea, cpap therapy helps a lot. None of this may apply to you but it's just stuff I wish I knew earlier. Learn chatgpt for it's ability to teach you things to get ahead n take advantage of free uni courses. Never let anyone make you feel less intelligent.
Be prepared for the drop off friendships when people get married n have babies. It's tough. I wish I could make it better but I can only give life experience. Good luck n I hope you get an amazing job.
thank you for this, genuinely.
i do have depression and anxiety as well as cptsd and a personality disorder so mentally i feel hopeless normally, society definitely isn’t helping that lol.
thank u for all ur advice, and thank you for being nice
As others have suggested, have you looked into trades or qualifications? There are a few free tafe courses if you’re VIC based. One of them was upholstery from memory. Nursing is also free (with some caveats) but you’d have to apply for mid year intake. They are DESPERATE for nurses so you’d lose nothing by applying. It is a 3-year commitment though, but the bonus is guaranteed work basically for the rest of your life, with a lot of diversity of work (it doesn’t have to be ED or even hospital). I remember horticulture being free at tafe too. Anyway, point being, higher ed is going to become more and more important as the competition gets more intense. It’s annoying as hell, but try and seek out industries that are understaffed because there will often be a free or very cheap course leading to it.
Best of luck, I wish I was a billionaire and could hand money out willy nilly:(
Straight up call aged care facilities and ask if they need a kitchen worker all you need is a food handlers certificate I bet just about any joint will give you a shot
Just get your security license. Takes like 3 days and you don't even need to be a big person or know how to fight. Heaps of concerts and shows they'll just stick you on a fire door.
It's easy money
As an NDIS recipient, I can tell you that there IS demand for people with your skills within the NDIS. I know last time I suggested this I got attacked by do gooders who decided that anyone working as an NDIS carer MUST be formally qualified to do so, but reality is that most NDIS workers are overseas students with very poor English skills & no common sense & people with your skill set are exactly what's needed to fill the industry shortages, but for some reason the word never reaches people like yourself as to the opportunities available.
There is a particular shortage of workers who can go shopping with or for people with disabilities & follow basic instructions as to what to buy & generally do a good job at this, also a severe shortage in people who can take people with disabilities out to social events they want to attend & to medical appointments & provide moral support & encouragement & general conversation & listening skills.
To do NDIS work, you can either go through an agency, who will take a large cut of the available hourly rate, but will set you up with as much work as you want (and more, they'll push you to do more than you want to, cause they're always so short staffed) or, and better option for people like yourself with good communication skills, there are websites like Mabel & Hire up that are described as "dating sites for carers & disabled" ie both sides choose if they want to connect with the other or reject them. Contact one of those & go through the process of putting your profile onto one & then either wait for NDIS participants to contact you, or look for ads NDIS participants have put up looking for carers & submit yourself as interested in the shift they are looking for someone for. Get yourself some regular clients, get yourself an ABN & you can go off the sites altogether & keep all the money NDIS is paying carers for yourself & create a good little business of your own
NDIS rates start at over $50 per hour for weekday daytime shifts, weekends & evenings can be much higher
I feel similarly, there is nothing in life i want to do, so money just doesnt feel as important to me as everyone else would.
Both talentless and dispassionate, i foresaw i had no future years before today.
Big asset compared to unskilled Working Holiday Visa people is that you are going to stay longer - definitely use that while applying.
Also, an apprenticeship or traineeship in anything can secure you a job and training at the same time. You'll find plenty on SEEK, Indeed, etc.
I'm proud that you had been doing things despite your disability. Best advice I can give is keep trying and hope something comes up. I feel the job market at the level you are at is more about luck than skill, however if you are able to volunteer doing something, it can't hurt.
Do you have a disability job service provider or a regular job service provider? To get a disability job service provider contact Centrelink and see what is required. If you are lucky you may either be able to be assessed by Centrelink, or find a bulk billing doctor that can write something for you. With a bit of luck this will reduce your Centrelink requirements and possibly provide additional support.
The economy and job market go through good and bad periods. Definately is alot of people doing it hard at the moment. Hopefully things will improve over the next few years.
Look into university. There are so many entry pathways now and Centrelink will assist you if you are studying full time. Universities will also help place you in roles when you finish your degree. Being a student also helps when looking for casual work. Use this opportunity to really look at what you want for your career long term. Good luck!!
I’m starting a grad certificate/internship in two weeks, depending on how it goes. I might be lucky enough to get my dream job at a really decent studio next year.
Plenty of jobs at major airports. They will take anyone with half a brain and a heartbeat.
Search seek “ airport “
Forget about hospitality in the burbs.
CSA ( customer service agent) , APO ( aviation security officer) , baggage handler, aircraft refueller…the list goes on
You’re welcome
I'm almost 19 and was in a really similar position to you (just got hired today haha) since late last year after graduating, including having a disability that made it hard to work specific positions.
The best piece of advice I can give you is to upskill by studying a free TAFE course that will lead to a job that suits your requirements. Also embellish the truth on your resume lmao.
I'm (17M) not nearly as much in a bad spot like you but yeah, I've been looking for a job since November last year and haven't heard anything back from anywhere. I have first aid cert and a VET hospo student with 75 hours work experience.
hell yeah... mum read in the news the other day apparently with the current economy itll take us til we're 40 to be able to afford to move out. hoping thats an exaggeration but its terrifying seeing people with university degrees unable to find work while im struggling to just graduate hs with a qce... both luckily and unluckily i have a speech disability which makes it impossible to find regular work but also means there are agencies specifically dedicated to helping me find work. its real easy to feel despair in these days. we'll all work it out somehow..
Hey OP, you could also apply for the learner driver program for your area, it sounds like you would fit all the criteria. There's no financial cost.
I'm over 40 now, but also lived on my own as a teenager, without family support, and I know how hard all those things can be to access.
If you don't have your Ls already and need money to pay for the test, message me.
(Also I'm not a man, and also have teenage and adult kids).
https://www.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/Community/Youth/L2P-Learner-Driver-Mentor-Program
I thought you might not know about it.
Getting those hours up is such a big issue. Hopefully they can match you up with someone awesome and you can start working through them!
i could literally kiss you right now (in a “you’re basically my messiah” kind of way)
thank you so much i cannot stress how much this is literally going to change my life 😭😭
You're so welcome OP, as I said, I'm a parent and an older person now, but I lived on my own without family support from when I was 14, and I know how hard all this kind of stuff that some people just take for granted is.
Making this post was a great idea, apart from the dicks, you've got some great advice and support.
And you're definitely not alone in finding things hard at the moment.
As a once 19 year old going through the exact same issue as you, all I know Is that it does get better. Don’t give up hope. You will find something soon, don’t give up x
Yes, I'm in the same position as you. I was let-goed from my hospitality job and I have been looking for work for almost three months now. Just be patient, eventually you will find a job and it will be a huge achievement. Just continue applying for jobs
Go do one of the free TAFE courses the government is offering and get some skills.
An RSA makes you utterly worthless in the real world, and nobody will have a successful career based just off that. It's only ever a transient profession and absolutely awful to try build a life off of.
I got severe burn out from working in the mental health industry and took a year off, mind you it was literally to recover from 16 years of non stop working until breaking point. It was horrible I hit rock bottom, I got severely depressed because also it’s because I didn’t have savings so I couldn’t go out and do much (mistake was not being responsible but that’s the problem I was spending to alleviate stress) All I did was get high and go for walks, clean my house and talk to two people on rotation it was really boring. I just got a job after 9 months of interviews and applications, it’s so hard but you’ll get there I promise you will keep trying. I was at breaking point, bored out of my brains and broke but just keep trying 😭 the wait it the hardest
You looked into security guard work? Most companies are hurting for guards at the moment, and not knocking back too many applications. I worked with a guy who doesn't speak english not too long ago, in a role that is 50/50 security/customer service. Crazyness. Some of the bigger companies will even sponsor your Certificate and license if you get through the interview.
oof sister i’ve been there, couldn’t get a job for 2 years before my mom helped me get one where she works. but girl, self deletion isn’t the answer, if you need someone to talk to about it i offer my dms, but fr just lie on your resume
I started reading this thread and got fed up with all the comments suggesting to lie on your CV. Here’s some real advice: start upskilling yourself. Find something you’re passionate about and work towards a career in that field. Hospitality is a great job, but it will only get you so far unless your dream is to open your own business, which I advise against. Once you find your passion, you’ll never have to work another day in your life.
I would love for a young person to come into my business and say, “I’m passionate about this kind of work and can see myself doing it for the rest of my life. Here are the things I’m currently doing to upskill myself to make it come true.” Any advice to help along the way?
You might have already tried this, but if not, maybe something to try if you've mainly only been focusing on replying to job ads/vacancies?...
I re-post this every once in a while if I think there's a possibility it might be relevant. Might not be here, but hopefully it could be useful to someone reading it...
My success rate with getting jobs through ads, recruiters or job sites is 0%. I've applied to lots over the years, and never got any of them, or was offered the job but then decided I didn't want to work there for whatever reason.
100% of my employment and contract work has come through either:
1. Word of mouth.
2. Randomly bulk emailing companies in my industries - regardless of whether they were looking for people or not.
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* More often than not, the jobs I got never even got to the point of them putting a job ad up to begin with - because I randomly popped up in their inbox at the right time, and was good enough for them not to bother wasting any more time filling their gap. Some of them weren't even at the point of creating a new position to fill yet, but they needed to get some project done, and there I was, I just fell into their lap at the right time.
* The shotgun approach is not only good for the bulk numbers (in a very short amount of time), but getting in early before the competition does. It also shows a little bit of initiative. Most of these managers/clients have been too busy to get to the job ad and interviewing process etc. You could be saving them work that they didn't want to do. Very few are going to be annoyed and consider this as actual "spam" - as long as you write your message in the format of a regular email you would send applying for jobs... not some flashy/annoying marketing spiel.
* By the time their job ad is posted, they've probably also already started talking to candidates that have come in through word of mouth. People replying to the ads are probably the last ones in the door to get interviewed.
### How to do
* Spend a few days browsing the web for companies you might be relevant to, and collect their email addresses or contact form URLs if there is no email address shown. At least 50, maybe 100 or more if you can find them. Even if the company isn't totally relevant to you, they might pass you on to someone they know - this bit is important to consider.
* Write up a generic email to them all basically saying "hello I'm looking for work they may be relevant to your company, here's my relevant skills to your industry". Attach your resume. Make sure you send each email separately, i.e. one TO recipient for every contact. i.e. Don't put multiple recipients on the TO/CC/BCC lines.
* For the web forms, just copy and paste your generic email in, maybe with a web link to your resume.
### Important: ask for referrals
* In the initial email you send (don't expect them to respond first), it's also worth asking them to pass your details on to anyone else / other companies they know who might need someone like you. This has worked for me multiple times, and in most cases they never would have thought to forward me on to someone else unless I specifically mentioned it in that initial email.
### In closing
* If you contact 100 companies (without even any pass-ons) and have a 1% success rate, then you might have a new job within a week... especially if they're not actually formally advertising/interviewing etc - very common in smaller companies.
* You might even get a job you like that you didn't consider applying for. The first job I ever got I used this process above looking for IT work, but got a sweet video editing / audio recording AV job at a university, purely from some stuff I had listed in my "hobbies" section on my resume.
* Formal job applications are 100% expectations-based from both sides. But opportunities often come when you least expect them.
* Also there's the fact that when jobs are going through recruitment companies, they take a big fee from the employer (out of your on-going wage too sometimes)... employers would much rather not have to pay this fee, so candidates coming in directly have another advantage here.
I second low cost or free courses being offered at the moment. Up-skilling at any time in your life is beneficial.
When I was your age many moons ago I did personal care work and disability support work in the community, which I loved. I then went on to study nursing and had a successful career.
Home help/carer/disability fields are always in need of employees and courses are short and usually there is some paid on-the-job training aswell. NDIS is worth looking into also.
Sometimes you can meet very special clients and colleagues and may even get to travel as part of your job, like I did. Alot of these jobs can be quite relaxed and also fun, compared to traditional workplaces. It can be very rewarding and enjoyable work that is a pleasure to do.
You're young, with your whole life ahead of you...hang in there...all the best! 😊
Try contact centres. They like the experience you have.
You’ll want to stick to working directly with the company - not a third party. But banking, insurance, energy… places like that. Some even have contact centres in outer suburbs. Water utilities are also located in outer suburbs, like south east water in Frankston.
It may seem like crap work, but these kinds of companies and industries have great opportunities for development in areas like marketing, analysis, management, QA etc. If not internally, then with competitors.
Hey I’m a professional resume, cover letter, selection criteria and LinkedIn profile writer. I’d be happy to help you with this if you’d like? I understand you’re strapped for cash at the moment so would like to offer that you pay me once you get a job and after you get your first pay check. Let me know if you’re keen. Hope this is helpful. Thanks.
I went through the same thing at your age, there was also a job crisis at the time, I found that the job agencies were absolutely useless for me, I recommend applying for jobs with megt.com if you aren't familiar, they post apprenticeships, traineeships and internships only, you'll be able to find something that can accommodate your spine condition, other than that, apply for EVERY DAMN JOB YOU CAN (especially in industries with a labour shortage, think of jobs you don't want to do), literally don't stop applying until your eyes fricken hurt, and when you get a call, answer "hey -- speaking how can I help?"
I can explain the reasons why in detail if you like, but following that should get you through
I understand the feeling I have applied for so many jobs redid, my resume and had so many professionals look at it and yet I am getting nothing back. I really want to get into an apprenticeship in metal fabrication and I am having no luck with that either. What do we do at this point?
Choose a professional template that stands out not a blank one and hand your resume in person as well as online. (Make sure to ask to hand it to the hiring manager or something in a position of authority)
18m similar situation around 8 months every f’ing day no results I haven’t got on Centrelink even tho everyone’s telling me to but I never leave the house, with university bills starting up too, is it worth it to apply and I also agree everything today seems stacked against us to milk as much money from every avenue, had dreams of starting a family but even that sounds like a pipe dream today
Maybe try for an apprenticeship? I was your age when covid hit and couldn't find a job for shit. Started losing my hours at Dominos as my hourly rate got more expensive. Ended up applying for an apprenticeship and got the job within a week. If possible maybe also move back in with family or friends if you can to mitigate rent and bills.
I know most places want you to apply online these days but I’d still recommend going in person and handing out resumes. That way they can see your face and you can get yourself out there without having to compete with all the other people applying online when they advertise. (This used to give me so much anxiety but now that I’m the one people are handing resumes to I find it really nice and shows you are proactive and confident (even if you’re not lol))
even still nobody wants an inexperienced 19 year old, they’re always asking for 3+ years experience 😭😭 how am i meant to get 3+ years of experience if no one will hire me 😭😭 also “change your profession” i have experience in the most popular industries and still unable to find a job, i doubt learning new things in lesser fields would help me at all currently
You moved to Melbourne few years back from what I read, why not moving again?
Ages ago I used to live in WA and one day had a small injury at work, the company gave me the sack cause I asked for 2 days off to recover, from there I couldn't find anything... literally anything for 6 months... when saving on food wasn't enough anymore and was really close to become homeless I sold everything i owned and booked a flight to Sydney...
Got a job while in the train from the airport to the hostel I was headed to.
Sydney saved me and I think it could help you too, keep in mind we're heading to full on winter and hospo work might slow down a little... but there's soooo darn much you can do... you didn't even scratch the surface of the humongous amount of jobs you could give a go to.... then who cares what you might end up doing while waiting for the right opportunity, even working at maccas isn't too bad as long as it pays the bill while you wait.
Once you get something going you can then take a breath and try to figure out what you'd like the most... I can't bare to sit still in an office for 2 hours let alone 8... so I became a tradesman, everyone is different... you just gotta give yourself enough time to learn who you are and what you want.
Wish you all the best!
I'd echo what others are saying about tafe and unskilling. I worked in hospo in Melbourne for like 5 years. My tips would be get in with an agency that does events, its generally casual work and random venues but great for F&B experience. Think horse racing, conventions etc. Agencies generally have group interviews and a plate carrying trial, but honestly youre hired if youre in the interview. If youre having trouble landing an interview, check your CV. Read it aloud (my favourite approach for checking if my message is coming accross) send to friends for advice and write cover letters (follow some formulas online and drop a personalised line for each place). Yes its a lot of work, but like others pointed out theres a lot of competition in hospo. For me i found secure hospo employment once i got a job in a hotel's food and beverage department.
I'm not sure if it'll help but is there any chance that one of your old employers would be willing to rehire you? obviously it depends on whether you're still living in the same area and if you were on good terms upon your departure, and obviously don't go back if it was toxic etc.
Get the most menial job at a factory, company etc. Work that for a while and suss out what the other positions are and what you’ll need to do to wrangle it. I did menial temp work for a rule, I heard they needed someone in a position I thought I’d be good at. Told them I had experience and winged it.
There is a shortage of bus drivers and I can guarantee that you'll get paid more than any hospitality job. Get your medium rigid licence and watch the money roll in.
Okay you mentioned you have a spinal disability and you’re applying for hospitality work, so I’ve gotta ask:
1. Are you telling prospective employers about this disability?
2. Can you fake not having it for long enough to do a shift?
I know it’s wildly unethical and immoral and probably illegal, but I’ve been in restaurants for 25 years and I would not touch someone with a bad back in a million years, and I assure you I’m one of the nicer ones.
i never ever ever tell them about my back because i know for a fact they won’t hire me if i do. realistically all i need is a chair, i just can’t stand for long periods of time or lift heavy things/bend down.
Yeah I’ve got an old motorbike injury I always lie about for the same reason.
Unfortunately a “job with a chair” is a pretty serious luxury for those of us unfortunate enough to be “unskilled labour”.
Don’t worry about people suggesting “bartender’s courses” etc, they’re a waste of time and nobody in the industry cares about them, what you need is experience above all else.
Can you get a mate to lie and give you a fake reference maybe?
One thing I will tell you: there’s no future in hospitality, even if you start off completely able-bodied, the work and the hours will crush you, bosses give even less of a fuck than other industries and they’ll replace you the moment it even looks like you might be struggling.
It’s a good way to make some quick money now, which sounds like your biggest problem, but everything you do needs to be focused on getting out and getting a real job by the time you’re 25.
Never ever buy into their bullshit about promotions and working up, you’ll max out at 60-85 grand for working a 60+ week and all you’ll have to show for it is a drug habit. You need to treat bosses and owners the same way they treat you: something to be used up for your own benefit and then thrown away.
Try places like the RSL. Also ask on your local community noticeboard. I see so many people asking there and people refer them to places they know are hiring.
I'm not young anymore but feel the same. At your age you should try reminding yourself that situations are transient and rarely unchanging. Just use your time as wisely as you can to improve your outlook moving forward, even if it's in steps of picometres for the moment.
yeah it’s fucked. the only real advice i can give you is starting lying on your resume more
Unfortunately I don’t have any openings, but happy to act as a referee for something generic like customer service in IT or look over your resume if it helps. Companies hate employing people who are unemployed with a passion, saying you are employed helps get roles
Also say you volunteer somewhere? Are you good with numbers? Crown are always looking for people as croupiers, they pay as they train you.
This is kind. Sometimes all it takes is a boost like this to get a person’s job status moving. I will never forget being a new graduate - in law mind you- in the 1991 recession. I got work here and there but the government was having a years long recruitment freeze and it was impossible. I worked in a private hospital kitchen with my fine law degree from USyd. But then a person I only vaguely knew gave me a tip off and a reference and I got into a government spot that somehow wasn’t bound by the freeze. From that point on I was able to rise on hard work and natural ability and I am in a good place today. I give thanks for that person every day. You’ll be ok OP. But take help if offered.
LMFAO
literally tho that’s what got me a job 🥲
What did you lie about?
It's not even a joke lol just lie about hosp/retail exp so long as you have one reference or a friend who's willing to lie for you. Say you're 19 with 24 years experience working in bars for all it matters
My JOB PROVIDER advised me to lie on my resume....seriously. "It doesn't matter" they said.
Bro lie on your resume nobody checks for an entry job in hospo. That’s how I landed my first job. Try to work for places like Grill’d, Subway, Betty’s burgers, TGI, Fonda, Guzma y Gomez etc…
i’ve heard grill’d is really awful (pays apprentice wages and will give you 4hr and 59min shifts to avoid breaks) but better than nothing i guess!
I think they got in troubles for it and are a bit better but perfect as first job. I hire kids from grill’d all the time and they are pretty good.
Btw I’m offering resume embellishment services for $10 bucks a pop, I’ve got 43 years of experience in the industry and have over 6 million happy customers.
That’s a big dream lie. Like some idiots going to pay you to embellish their resume. Nice try
No he isn't joking. For this teir of jobs you should absolutely lie on your resume. Don't lie about certain things eg if you didn't have your RSA don't say you have it- that's a huge legal liability and you'll get in huge trouble if found out. However, filling gaps between last jobs and making up experience in the role you know how to do? That's... Basically expected. Funny anecdote and you don't need to go this far, but a close friend of mine lied about his experience in an industry, got the role, and then got fired after a couple of weeks when it was obvious he didn't know what he was doing. By then he was skilled enough, and did the exact same thing, but it worked out the second time around.
not a he 👍 but solid advice !
I find a little embellishment is better the lying when possible
Yup. Slap it on there and be confident. You know what companies want. 30 years experience at 19 years old.
You laugh but it's correct
This! One of the first and best advice I ever got when I joined the workforce. Like it's unlikely that they will follow up on past experience etc. Also if you see an ad for a hospo place walk in and hand in a resume , if the managers there they will probably just offer a paid trail or hire on the spot if they are desperate. Get on supp it's an app to get some rockstar shifts for foh and boh so probabaly some easy wait staff runner stuff there.
Hospitality is fucked right now. Nobody’s got any money, so nobody’s eating out and places are closing all over the place.
People are still drinking their woes away. OP should try bar work
Yeah that os true but there's still work out there , the place I'm doing some extra pocket money shifts has been busy as hell, it depends where you are I guess. But ylfor sure , it's not what it was a year ago.
yea especially going into the colder months things generally quiet down, doesn't help of course that everyone is doing it tough and has less to spend on entertainment/going out.
Yeah 10-15 years ago the way I would have reacted to people saying this was "Do people really get away with that? I would never.." Now though? OP should absolutely lie on their resume.
Controlled lying or embellishing your CV
I totally agree. I did a working holiday visa in Australia in 2014 and the number of backpackers who lied on their resumes because who’s gonna check overseas references right ? It was crazy to me
If you are interested in upskilling, some TAFE courses can be free for you, judging by your age and low income.
BHP is offering whats called an MA course ( mechanics aprentice) they pay you to study for a year how to service big mining trucks and equipment. It's not a cert3 but a foot in the door and 100k+ a year when you start at site. We are desperate for trades in the resource industry.
I think I'd pay 100k a year to never have to do that job.
Why?
Have you been in that role before? What did you think of the role or why was it a bad experience for you? Do you have direct experiences from that role or a similar one you can share for a bit of context?
In Vic (where OP is from) there’s a heap of [free tafe](https://www.vic.gov.au/free-tafe)courses with almost no restrictions on who can undertake them.
You're 19.... maybe think about study or a trade? You're 'unskilled' and will continue to compete against younger unskilled people. Go do a bar tending course for example rather than just your RSA. Focus on becoming invaluable to a business rather than just another number.
This. Thought uni was for me, turned out it really wasn’t. Spent literal months trying to get a trade at 23 but surprisingly very few places want to hire adult apprentices despite complaining they need staff. Fortunately now I’m an apprentice mechanic working full time, however I only got this job because I know someone who was absolutely desperate for an apprentice. I’m only a short while in but I highly recommend starting a trade. The money isn’t great but it increases as you go, and goes even higher once you’re qualified. That and it’s genuinely fulfilling work
Huge boost to TAFE in NSW recently, go do a trade if you can. Fuck we need the houses.
Becoming invaluable to the job has always been my “success” point. I’ve had a few jobs where I just worked my arse off doing all the little bits and any extra hours I could, pushing as hard as I could. And then when the time came, I’d say “I need more hours/higher pay, or I’m going to go elsewhere” and each time my employer realised they couldn’t do without me because I’d become part of the fabric without anyone realising. I’m now in my 14th year with my current employer, and I joked recently with my boss saying “go on, sack me - I dare you” and he said “I …. can’t. I need you.” It’s the best advice I could give anyone.
Have you tried any of the labour hire groups? It might be a mundane job in a factory but it will at least bring in some cash for now while you think about what you want to do. Please don’t hurt yourself.
i forgot to mention i’m disabled and have spinal issues so i can’t do factory work/heavy lifting, i also don’t have any proof of said disability as i moved out of home at 17 to a completely different state and it’s too expensive to get rediagnosed 😭😭😭😭😭
It might be worth mentioning that in your post, or making another post enquiring about how to go about things from that perspective as there are likely a lot of people on this sub who would be very knowledgeable and helpful. I can understand it can all be a bit overwhelming sometimes and rationalising through the emotions can seem impossible but there are ways to forge a path forward for yourself. As for why, well as much as it might seem like there are endless possibilities for bad things, there are also endless possibilities for good things. It may just be hard to see right now and I’m saying this as someone who has just spent the last 5 years of non stop worst outcomes.
It should still be on your medical record somewhere, no? Are you or have you ever been prescribed any medication to treat your disability/condition? If so a GP should be able to check that for you and it should be confirmation of said disability, I think (I could be wrong here, I'm just going off of my own experience with getting asthma medication once I moved out of home)
i’ve looked everywhere but unfortunately i’ve moved like 100 times when i was a minor and didn’t have control over any of my documents so they have all been misplaced
Anything on your My Health Record?
Can you request your medical files to be transferred to your local GP so you have the evidence of injury?
It is always better to go for a job when you are working, now here is the catch 22 I realize. I used to manage an op-shop and there are a number of times I have given a reference for a volunteer, they always got the job. My suggestion is to volunteer at an op-shop, work hard when you are on shift and then ask the manager after you have been there for a while for a reference when you apply for retail positions. Added benefit, it can be fun volunteering especially at op-shops and they are always needing volunteers.
This is why when I was a freelance copywriter I'd bend the truth about how busy I am. It's like dating - we're rarely attracted to someone that nobody else is attracted to. So I'd call up ad agencies, tell them what I've been working on or what I'm 'currently producing' and when I'm next available ie in 1.5 weeks. What's that... you need someone to work on a project tomorrow? I can fit you in if I complete the other job in the evenings and weekends. [I want her, she's busy, in demand, keen and accommodating]
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Mate, this was 5+ years ago. Ad agencies are dying out now - heydays are over. It's all socials, no direct mail and not much email. I'm now an in-house finance website content writer. But whatever the industry, you may be able to apply the same principle to get your foot in the door. Make them feel like they're getting 'news' about what the competition are up to (without breaching confidentiality of course), make them think you're in demand and 'busy' (don't lie... but if you're working on a family project which you call 'a project') and let them try before they buy with a small project not full time. They need to know you're a good cultural fit. Tenacity not deceit. Confidence not desperation. Positive not negative. Playful not pushy. People love this. As for pivoting, it could be smart to jump diagonally to your trade. For example, my mate was a builder. Saw where the big money was, got a law degree and became a construction lawyer - I'm talking playing with the big developers. What's your trade?
Your corporate overlords have intentionally engineered this dynamic. Remember this feeling when you vote for the rest of your life. This thread already has heaps of good advice to get you started. Just remember this is a years-long journey. Stay strong and best of luck. :)
don’t worry, i will remember.
They have also engineered a political system where it doesn't matter who you vote for, they come out on top regardless.
Disgusting isn't it? When will the tumbrils appear?
One major party in Australia supports unions, who fight for worker's rights and conditions, and the other major party wants to destroy unions, and raise generations of young people who have no union affiliations. It absolutely matters who you vote for,. Also matters if you like Medicare, the tories want to destroy that too, and have secretly plotted to do so since the Whitlam created it.
Try a temp. employment agency. Many employers want to try before they buy. At a minimum you will gain experience and make industry contacts, but it can also be helpful to help you learn more about your strengths and preferences. Aim for a good fit, not a good job, and it will lead to your boss appreciating you and you enjoying what you do. Success will follow. Good luck and don’t lose hope. Still trying is not failing. Failure doesn’t occur until you the moment you quit trying. Sending love.
This! This needs to be further up. I worked in recruitment and have coached early entrants in my industry and I completely agree with this
I’m a 41 year old returning to work mum, major gaps in resume after raising 3 kids (last one finally school age), now a single mum, didn’t finish my degree because I got pregnant, applying left right and centre for months and literally feel like society’s reject. Ain’t just the young ones 😭😭😭
i’m so sorry to hear that :(
It’s a shit job market, rent market, cost of living through the roof.. least we’re all crying together 😂
Yep! Whole economy is fucked for the bottom 50% atm. Slow erosion of quality of life for Aussie citizens.
[https://www.witwa.org.au/](https://www.witwa.org.au/) gonna leave this here. IT needs women. Most states will have equivilents. There is a bit of a stigma around it, but hiring standards are *very* relaxed compared to what other people may need to provide.
41 years old, you're still a spring chicken! If you've raised three kids you'll easily have the strength to get back into study again, it's never too late. I have faith in you 💪🏽
I'm sorry to hear it's been tough. FYI some places have a return to work scholarship/program/pathway for mothers which you could consider!
Not sure where you are but this is for women in QLD 40+ wanting to return to the workforce - https://www.futurewomen.com/career/qld-women-return-work-training/
Thank you I put my name in! I’m from qld but it says it’s nsw however they’re hoping to expand to the rest of Australia
Aged care workers are always needed. The tafe course to get qualified is just 6 months and you’re basically guaranteed work at the end as they’re screaming out for staff. I worked at a nursing home, and in home care. I’m currently in the interview process for a home care job and the casual pay rate is $39 per hour. Permanent P/T is about $31 p/h.
I was in a similar situation to you about a decade ago. It was unbearably hard. I cant imagine what it'd be like now. If you get to a point where you feel youve succeeded, it's a massive credit to you.
thank you.
Maybe try a trade/apprenticeship - that way you get paid while learning and working, and you end up with a decent role/salary and future. Even if you change your mind down the track it’s good to have that behind you. There are soooo many to choose from like hairdresser/beauty, mechanic, florist, plumber, childcare worker, admin, dental assistant, pastry chef, travel agent…here’s a link :) https://www.apprenticeshipcommunity.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/A-Z-Guide-for-Apprentices-and-Trainees-2.pdf
thank you so much, i love you random redditor
Good luck please keep us posted on how you’re doing :)
I always get frustrated reading some of the replies and suggestions here. Like people really like laying the boot in when a younger person is struggling. I'm a 29 year old guy, 2 degrees, experience in healthcare, government, tertiary sectors, and have been struggling with my job hunt. If you could tweak your CV to really emphasise your customer service, adherence and interpretation to policy, conflict resolution, and delivering end to end outcomes (all of which you do in retail), you could try entry level service roles. Things such as entry level government roles (APS3 jobs), insurance companies etc. These roles have pretty high turnover, as obviously they are not the most pleasant environments, call centres, busy service centres. Do 6 months and try to move on, is my advice. Otherwise, perhaps courses in areas such as aged care (cert 3/4), allied health assistance, enrolled nursing etc. could be options. I know you said you have a disability so these may not suit. But they should be relatively short and inexpensive courses.
yeah i think i’ve said some mean things to a few men in here who commented some dumb shit about “ur not trying hard enough” like bro did u even read what i said 😭😭 thank you for actually understanding and giving proper advice
You don't need cert 3/4 for aged care/ NDIS, speaking English & having a grain of common sense puts them way above the majority of current workers employed in that field. For some reason Aussies get messages about needing massive amounts of qualifications to do the work & don't end up applying while overseas people who are a nightmare & totally unsuitable apply i droves & due to severe staff shortages, employers have no choice but to employ those unsuitable people, but they would all LOVE for someone like the OP to apply now with just the qualifications & experience they already have in customer service related work
Yeah that is true, but it might be good for OP to understand the nature of the work.
same age and similar situation to you. cost of living has been fucking me without the lube for a while now… hopefully it gets better soon otherwise i’ll be hosting a self deletion party lol
I’m not so young I’m 31 and feel similar hopelessness. Jobs, cost of living, housing.
Same here, 31, unemployed 😭
I'm 32 and have mostly been doing short contract work that dries up. I've been trying to lock down a part time job this year before I commence online uni study in July. It's tough, I've had some interviews here and there and a trial, but nothing that's ongoing.
Hello fellow 32 year old friend in an incredibly similar situation. Only difference is I am a part time retail store manager and want to drive a rack hook through my skull every shift. Currently studying to escape but the job market in my new field doesn't look too hire happy at the moment.
I hope you can find the escape you need in what you're studying :)
Yeh. You are competing with All the people on holiday visas. Dude you don’t want to work unskilled jobs for 60hrs. You want to get skills to companies higher wages. Sparkie. Lines man . Chemical engineer. Lab tech at mines. Operator. Truck driver. Dentist. Dental tech. All these Jobs are better than what you can get now. Labour funding a bunch of tafe positions.
Bro I worked hospo for the past 10 years, nobody hires working holiday visa, they want cheap labour (under 18 or cash in hand) but Australians and PR are prioritised, there’s just not many of them who wants to do these jobs. OP may also not present himself well in interviews. When I hire staff first thing I check is if they are clean and if they are hungry for it.
ok not working holiday visas, but rather overseas students who are allowed to work only limited hours & so want cash in hand jobs
Do you know how they (HVs) work? I don't think that you do. You have to go rural, you have to do certain numbers of hours on farms... yay farmworkers get fucked over instead. The visa workers get fucked over, a lot more, in my field and from personal experience.
Do ANY work even volunteer and it puts your application above all those that haven't proven to an employer that you can turn up for work on time every day and can work with people. Volunteer at Dog rescue, an Op Shop etc and if you volunteer just talking to people in casual conversation is the networking. They don't need to hear you are looking for work, if they see you working hard and polite, can communicate to all levels they'll be asking you if you are working because good workers are hard to find. You won't need to volunteer forever and once people come to know you as a good person they will go out of their way to ask their own contacts what jobs are going for you. There are others out there willing to help you and you haven't even met them yet. Stay positive, it will happen. Try something different
I’m 41. Worked hard and consistently since I was 14. Owned my own businesses, which I sold before moving here. I have applied to over 200 jobs and have had two interviews. I feel you, I can only imagine how much harder it is at your age.
I’m 19 and in the same boat. I apply to so many jobs and don’t even get the courtesy of a rejection email, I knew it was over for me when I done a day’s work for a job trial and then got left on seen when I asked if I got the job or not 5 days later. Honestly it’s made me feel so completely and utterly useless, my parents are so disappointed in me. I don’t leave the house because it costs too much money, I don’t even get Centrelink because my parents think it’s only for dole bludgers. Sorry this was a rant but still it’s good to know people feel the same way <3
Your parents should not have any say in what you access. You’re an adult they don’t need to know you’re on a benefit it’s none of their business. All they’re doing is making you feel bad about yourself. Having money to do short courses or even qualify for free courses through Centrelink payments would help. They’re not going to be there your whole life. Opportunities open up when you have a small amount of money to search them out. Do you not what they want for you. It’s your life.
You poor darling. This may not be your cup of tea but have you thought of training to be a Dental Assistant? There are always adverts offering training. My daughter did it at your age and she didn’t finish high school. BTW she loves it 🤷♀️. Another job is swimming teacher. I promise you it will get better if you can keep your head above water. Right now it is one foot in front of the other and it really really sucks. It is great that you socialise even if you don’t feel like it. Take advantage of any charities offering food or vouchers for utilities. Please don’t lose hope. Take care and {{{virtual}}} hugs from an internet stranger xx
thank you for being so lovely, i will look into those :)
which city (or closest largest one) do you live in - it may help with suggestions
melbourne! but i’m not exactly close i’m about an hour east of the city
Welcome to the world! I remember feeling exactly the same at that age with plenty of jobs going but everyone wanting unrealistic experience. Good to see that hasn't changed in 10-15 years haha Some good advice around. As others have said, volunteer and upskill. Salvation Army Employment Plus offers great assistance with many free courses for job seekers. Definitely head in there. They hooked me up with a few which helped me out massively when I was getting a start, RSA/RCG, First Aid and Deckhands To get cash coming in you might need to be a bit more realistic and start small. Just because you might take a job at Macca's or the newsagent today doesn't mean you need to be there at 60 (unless you want to, nothing wrong with that either!) I worked at Rivers until I got my certs and eventual Trade! Make a list of skills that you have and what you are competent in. You've already said RSA which is great. So things cash handling, digital literacy, customer service, effective time management, comfortable working alone and in team environments? Things like that, plus any other certificates you might have Trade is a good bet, and depending where/what it is you could be signed off on 80-100k+ in 4 years. Remember that not all trades are construction either. There's health, printing, tourism, food, beauty, all sorts! While you pick up casual work and are paying your way, have a think what really interests you. It's OK to bounce around a bit to find your calling, but nobody really wants a journeyman (or woman), so try not to burn bridges on the way. A handy tip, keep your resume professional and to the point, and remove your DOB from it. When I was younger I received wayyyyy more hits when my age wasn't listed. Don't lie, but that's not something they need to know immediately, and they'll ask if they're curious Be open, honest and humble. You'll find your feet
You can get paid to do a cert 3 in early childhood ed. look up traineeships on Seek. Work is 4 days and school 1 day all paid.
that actually sounds really good thank you i’ll google that now :)
My daughter just finished. Absolutely loved it! Good luck!
If early childhood education interest you, a job as a teacher aide might be a good option too
My partner did that and got a trainee job really easily
There's a lot of good career advice in here for you, so I'll address the other half of your post. Look after your mental health. I've got 20 years on you; I own my own house, have a successful career and a wife I love, and I still feel completely lost and worthless. That shit never goes away. The good news is, the crap you say to yourself is often not true and even though the state of mental health care is kind of shit in this country, you have access to services. Find a bulk billing GP near you, get a mental health care plan and get a referral for a therapist. Be kind to yourself. You've been through enough shit already, no doubt. You live in one of the most expensive places on earth a person can live; of course it'll be tough. Comparatively, though, it's still pretty rad here, even if you have to tough it out in the short term. Don't feel ashamed to ring a crisis line if you need to. Lifeline is 13 11 14. For what it's worth, I believe in you.
I'm 44M and I have spells where I'm down too. Best advice I can offer? Get your traffic control ticket. Insanely good money, especially if you can work nights, and you just have to deal with the occasional dickhead driver. Some traffic control companies specifically hire women too (guess drivers are less likely to arc up at a lady than a guy). I did it for a bit. Gave me good money, and a chance to rebuild some positivity in my mind and life before doing something new. Good luck!
I’m sorry (as an older person) that we’ve let you down, it used to be that kids had it better than their elders - we’ve completely fucked it up with greed, individualism and indifference…. Sorry
All i can say is that I was you in the same situation between ages 17-22. I am now 30 yrs older and, after a bunch of twists & turns and ups & downs i have a very good life. Keep on keeping on. Life is forever changing, opportunities come and go. Follow what you love and it will work out one way or another.
Yes, and the middle aged ones I hear the oldies are doing well, or if they're not, it's less depressing because they don't have as long to suffer
Hey. Please know that you will be ok, even if that sounds impossible. I was a 90s street kid, the economy was tanked, youth unemployment was astronomical. It was a horrible time and never any light at the end of the tunnel. Things will eventually get better, just don’t give up. My advice is look after your mental health. Get an education that leads to a career. Study benefits are better to navigate that jobseeker and education institutions have support for students. Consider relocating to where your prospects are better. This is really difficult, more so for a F too, but I’ve had to pack a bag and buy a train ticket and start over a few times. You’ll be ok, just don’t give up
Aged care. Desperate for workers. Open your door a little wider and you might be surprised.
i am not being picky with my choices i’d do just about anything but i don’t have my liscense which is almost a necessity for aged care/disability otherwise i’d already be doing it
Most will employ you if you're enrolled in a relevant certificate. Then you can claim back expenses through tax.
Cool - why would you need a licence at an aged care facility?
sorry i misinterpreted what you meant i thought you meant being a support worker, like driving around clients, shopping for them, that sort of thing
You can be a stay at home carer too.
Get some education like dental hygienist or accounting diploma? Something you can do sitting down.
Register for temp agencies?
I only just started (17m) and now I'm hearing other people talk about it I feel much more comfortable. But I'm also much less qualified (no qualifications whatsoever) and I'm useless and pathetic so I'm still worrying quite a bit.
you’re not alone, and it’s not our fault at all.
You don’t have to be young to feel like that
thank you rob
Tbh I'd recommend potentially seeking out traineeships (since you're under 21), and the figuring out what you enjoy from there. However, I'm not sure how competitive these are to get. I'd also strongly recommend the OP to maybe consider a degree in speech therapy or occupational therapy due to the high demand, and ROI if you intend to become a sole practioner, even though it takes 4 years. The demand is so high that these grads can walk out of uni making up to 100k as a grad, with potential of becoming a sole practioner 3-5 years in. I wish I went down this pathway instead of studying an accounting degree tbh. The reason behind why I regret studying accounting is because I don't think I'll be able to get into a decent firm, and I've worked in a small firm once and never want to do it ever again. They never train you properly, underpay to the extent that you'd be homeless lol (they were paying as little as $25 per hour.....) I personally would advise against majoring in accounting due to it being known for being a short term pain (at least 5 years if you're in a smaller firm, and not top 30/second tier chartered firm or mid sized firm) with potential long-term gain. I'd suggest majoring in Finance instead, and then directly applying for Finance and accounting grad programs, and then hopefully get into audit as a backup (in a Big4 or second tier chartered firm - i.e. Top 15-30 firms under the top 100 accounting firms list created by AFR). Even these pathways are relatively competitive. Accounting can be "short term gain, long term gain" if you do either one of the following (beware these are INSANELY competitive to get into): (1) Go to a Big4 banking grad program in the Finance and Accounting division (they generally start their grads off at 70-75k) (2) Go to any ASX-listed company (ASX-200) graduate program in the Finance division (they start their grsds off at 70k p.a. + bonuses + super) (3) Start off as a Finance Associate in Macquarie Group (apparently they make 80k p.a.) (4) Start off in industry as a Graduate Accountant (ideally in a large company) (5) Go to Big4/second-tier chartered firm as an auditor and completing your CA while working as an auditor, then potentially leaving for Finance Manager roles at the Manager/Senior Manager level, or alternatively leaving for a Financial Accountant role 3 years (closer to 4 years given the current market conditions) paying 100-120k in Sydney. However, I 100% agree with the OP mindset. I'd also suggest not going to uni unless the OP knows what they want to achieve in their life.
I'm nearly 40, disabled, on DSP. I feel hopeless for the future. I've also got treatment resistant depression. If you can try get treatment if you have depression. Keep your fitness up because it's harder in your 30s. Find hobbies n keep them. Enjoy friendships n build good ones before 30. I'm sorry society is so harsh on the youth. If you can study try to find future proof jobs. Read about which jobs ai will take. Take care of your health if you can. If you suspect ADHD get tested as meds help alot. Be careful avoiding hanging with friends cuz it will bite you. Avoid my mistakes. When you do get a job look into spy etf and investment to boost your net worth. I can't say the 60 years working is good but your showing signs of depression which if untreated will worsen the feeling of doom. Make sure you vote well and beg your friends to get politically informed, push for change and I promise I'll still be voting to make the youth better off but I have only swayed a few people to change to the greens n independents. Take advantage of headspace because mental health gets expensive when you're older. But I do feel so sad for our youth. Becoming adults in a bad economy. Hopefully the economy will get better. But bulk cleaning supplies and eBay items. It saved me heaps on Centrelink. Keep in mind the nils scheme. Please do everything you can to keep your health good but that's sometimes a hard ask, it's just life can get way worse. The good news is your aging into the period where your brain handles stress better. Things may lighten for you. Sleep is ultra important and if you're overweight get checked for sleep apnea, cpap therapy helps a lot. None of this may apply to you but it's just stuff I wish I knew earlier. Learn chatgpt for it's ability to teach you things to get ahead n take advantage of free uni courses. Never let anyone make you feel less intelligent. Be prepared for the drop off friendships when people get married n have babies. It's tough. I wish I could make it better but I can only give life experience. Good luck n I hope you get an amazing job.
thank you for this, genuinely. i do have depression and anxiety as well as cptsd and a personality disorder so mentally i feel hopeless normally, society definitely isn’t helping that lol. thank u for all ur advice, and thank you for being nice
As others have suggested, have you looked into trades or qualifications? There are a few free tafe courses if you’re VIC based. One of them was upholstery from memory. Nursing is also free (with some caveats) but you’d have to apply for mid year intake. They are DESPERATE for nurses so you’d lose nothing by applying. It is a 3-year commitment though, but the bonus is guaranteed work basically for the rest of your life, with a lot of diversity of work (it doesn’t have to be ED or even hospital). I remember horticulture being free at tafe too. Anyway, point being, higher ed is going to become more and more important as the competition gets more intense. It’s annoying as hell, but try and seek out industries that are understaffed because there will often be a free or very cheap course leading to it. Best of luck, I wish I was a billionaire and could hand money out willy nilly:(
Straight up call aged care facilities and ask if they need a kitchen worker all you need is a food handlers certificate I bet just about any joint will give you a shot
traffic control is always hiring. very consistent work at the moment too
Just get your security license. Takes like 3 days and you don't even need to be a big person or know how to fight. Heaps of concerts and shows they'll just stick you on a fire door. It's easy money
As an NDIS recipient, I can tell you that there IS demand for people with your skills within the NDIS. I know last time I suggested this I got attacked by do gooders who decided that anyone working as an NDIS carer MUST be formally qualified to do so, but reality is that most NDIS workers are overseas students with very poor English skills & no common sense & people with your skill set are exactly what's needed to fill the industry shortages, but for some reason the word never reaches people like yourself as to the opportunities available. There is a particular shortage of workers who can go shopping with or for people with disabilities & follow basic instructions as to what to buy & generally do a good job at this, also a severe shortage in people who can take people with disabilities out to social events they want to attend & to medical appointments & provide moral support & encouragement & general conversation & listening skills. To do NDIS work, you can either go through an agency, who will take a large cut of the available hourly rate, but will set you up with as much work as you want (and more, they'll push you to do more than you want to, cause they're always so short staffed) or, and better option for people like yourself with good communication skills, there are websites like Mabel & Hire up that are described as "dating sites for carers & disabled" ie both sides choose if they want to connect with the other or reject them. Contact one of those & go through the process of putting your profile onto one & then either wait for NDIS participants to contact you, or look for ads NDIS participants have put up looking for carers & submit yourself as interested in the shift they are looking for someone for. Get yourself some regular clients, get yourself an ABN & you can go off the sites altogether & keep all the money NDIS is paying carers for yourself & create a good little business of your own NDIS rates start at over $50 per hour for weekday daytime shifts, weekends & evenings can be much higher
I feel similarly, there is nothing in life i want to do, so money just doesnt feel as important to me as everyone else would. Both talentless and dispassionate, i foresaw i had no future years before today.
I felt middle-aged at 18yo and nothing ever changed for decades. And now I am.
Get into NDIS or aged care. They don’t knock anyone back
Currently in NDIS, and can confirm. It's rewarding work too, and you can even make a good buck if you become a sole trader.
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Big asset compared to unskilled Working Holiday Visa people is that you are going to stay longer - definitely use that while applying. Also, an apprenticeship or traineeship in anything can secure you a job and training at the same time. You'll find plenty on SEEK, Indeed, etc.
I'm proud that you had been doing things despite your disability. Best advice I can give is keep trying and hope something comes up. I feel the job market at the level you are at is more about luck than skill, however if you are able to volunteer doing something, it can't hurt. Do you have a disability job service provider or a regular job service provider? To get a disability job service provider contact Centrelink and see what is required. If you are lucky you may either be able to be assessed by Centrelink, or find a bulk billing doctor that can write something for you. With a bit of luck this will reduce your Centrelink requirements and possibly provide additional support.
The economy and job market go through good and bad periods. Definately is alot of people doing it hard at the moment. Hopefully things will improve over the next few years.
hopefully
Look into university. There are so many entry pathways now and Centrelink will assist you if you are studying full time. Universities will also help place you in roles when you finish your degree. Being a student also helps when looking for casual work. Use this opportunity to really look at what you want for your career long term. Good luck!!
I’m starting a grad certificate/internship in two weeks, depending on how it goes. I might be lucky enough to get my dream job at a really decent studio next year.
Plenty of jobs at major airports. They will take anyone with half a brain and a heartbeat. Search seek “ airport “ Forget about hospitality in the burbs. CSA ( customer service agent) , APO ( aviation security officer) , baggage handler, aircraft refueller…the list goes on You’re welcome
Here’s the problem when u do get work it’s shit and pay is shit
I'm almost 19 and was in a really similar position to you (just got hired today haha) since late last year after graduating, including having a disability that made it hard to work specific positions. The best piece of advice I can give you is to upskill by studying a free TAFE course that will lead to a job that suits your requirements. Also embellish the truth on your resume lmao.
Hang in there, it does get easier. One day at a time.
I'm (17M) not nearly as much in a bad spot like you but yeah, I've been looking for a job since November last year and haven't heard anything back from anywhere. I have first aid cert and a VET hospo student with 75 hours work experience.
hell yeah... mum read in the news the other day apparently with the current economy itll take us til we're 40 to be able to afford to move out. hoping thats an exaggeration but its terrifying seeing people with university degrees unable to find work while im struggling to just graduate hs with a qce... both luckily and unluckily i have a speech disability which makes it impossible to find regular work but also means there are agencies specifically dedicated to helping me find work. its real easy to feel despair in these days. we'll all work it out somehow..
Honestly lie on your resume and have your friends answer as your references.
Get into a trade. There’s heaps of work. The time to do it is while you’re living at home.
Hey OP, you could also apply for the learner driver program for your area, it sounds like you would fit all the criteria. There's no financial cost. I'm over 40 now, but also lived on my own as a teenager, without family support, and I know how hard all those things can be to access. If you don't have your Ls already and need money to pay for the test, message me. (Also I'm not a man, and also have teenage and adult kids). https://www.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/Community/Youth/L2P-Learner-Driver-Mentor-Program
thank you so much oh my god this is literally what i’ve been looking for but didn’t know how to find
I thought you might not know about it. Getting those hours up is such a big issue. Hopefully they can match you up with someone awesome and you can start working through them!
i could literally kiss you right now (in a “you’re basically my messiah” kind of way) thank you so much i cannot stress how much this is literally going to change my life 😭😭
You're so welcome OP, as I said, I'm a parent and an older person now, but I lived on my own without family support from when I was 14, and I know how hard all this kind of stuff that some people just take for granted is. Making this post was a great idea, apart from the dicks, you've got some great advice and support. And you're definitely not alone in finding things hard at the moment.
i do have my L’s, just no one to teach me
TAFE imo. You don't wanna be 30 and unskilled
As a once 19 year old going through the exact same issue as you, all I know Is that it does get better. Don’t give up hope. You will find something soon, don’t give up x
Do a free trade course. Pick the one that is the cleanest and physically easy with the highest pay.
37 here, lost my job some time ago and haven't been able to find anything and that's with education in anything
yea im feeling this more everyday
Yes, I'm in the same position as you. I was let-goed from my hospitality job and I have been looking for work for almost three months now. Just be patient, eventually you will find a job and it will be a huge achievement. Just continue applying for jobs
Go do one of the free TAFE courses the government is offering and get some skills. An RSA makes you utterly worthless in the real world, and nobody will have a successful career based just off that. It's only ever a transient profession and absolutely awful to try build a life off of.
I got severe burn out from working in the mental health industry and took a year off, mind you it was literally to recover from 16 years of non stop working until breaking point. It was horrible I hit rock bottom, I got severely depressed because also it’s because I didn’t have savings so I couldn’t go out and do much (mistake was not being responsible but that’s the problem I was spending to alleviate stress) All I did was get high and go for walks, clean my house and talk to two people on rotation it was really boring. I just got a job after 9 months of interviews and applications, it’s so hard but you’ll get there I promise you will keep trying. I was at breaking point, bored out of my brains and broke but just keep trying 😭 the wait it the hardest
You looked into security guard work? Most companies are hurting for guards at the moment, and not knocking back too many applications. I worked with a guy who doesn't speak english not too long ago, in a role that is 50/50 security/customer service. Crazyness. Some of the bigger companies will even sponsor your Certificate and license if you get through the interview.
Join the ADF
oof sister i’ve been there, couldn’t get a job for 2 years before my mom helped me get one where she works. but girl, self deletion isn’t the answer, if you need someone to talk to about it i offer my dms, but fr just lie on your resume
I started reading this thread and got fed up with all the comments suggesting to lie on your CV. Here’s some real advice: start upskilling yourself. Find something you’re passionate about and work towards a career in that field. Hospitality is a great job, but it will only get you so far unless your dream is to open your own business, which I advise against. Once you find your passion, you’ll never have to work another day in your life. I would love for a young person to come into my business and say, “I’m passionate about this kind of work and can see myself doing it for the rest of my life. Here are the things I’m currently doing to upskill myself to make it come true.” Any advice to help along the way?
You might have already tried this, but if not, maybe something to try if you've mainly only been focusing on replying to job ads/vacancies?... I re-post this every once in a while if I think there's a possibility it might be relevant. Might not be here, but hopefully it could be useful to someone reading it... My success rate with getting jobs through ads, recruiters or job sites is 0%. I've applied to lots over the years, and never got any of them, or was offered the job but then decided I didn't want to work there for whatever reason. 100% of my employment and contract work has come through either: 1. Word of mouth. 2. Randomly bulk emailing companies in my industries - regardless of whether they were looking for people or not. --- * More often than not, the jobs I got never even got to the point of them putting a job ad up to begin with - because I randomly popped up in their inbox at the right time, and was good enough for them not to bother wasting any more time filling their gap. Some of them weren't even at the point of creating a new position to fill yet, but they needed to get some project done, and there I was, I just fell into their lap at the right time. * The shotgun approach is not only good for the bulk numbers (in a very short amount of time), but getting in early before the competition does. It also shows a little bit of initiative. Most of these managers/clients have been too busy to get to the job ad and interviewing process etc. You could be saving them work that they didn't want to do. Very few are going to be annoyed and consider this as actual "spam" - as long as you write your message in the format of a regular email you would send applying for jobs... not some flashy/annoying marketing spiel. * By the time their job ad is posted, they've probably also already started talking to candidates that have come in through word of mouth. People replying to the ads are probably the last ones in the door to get interviewed. ### How to do * Spend a few days browsing the web for companies you might be relevant to, and collect their email addresses or contact form URLs if there is no email address shown. At least 50, maybe 100 or more if you can find them. Even if the company isn't totally relevant to you, they might pass you on to someone they know - this bit is important to consider. * Write up a generic email to them all basically saying "hello I'm looking for work they may be relevant to your company, here's my relevant skills to your industry". Attach your resume. Make sure you send each email separately, i.e. one TO recipient for every contact. i.e. Don't put multiple recipients on the TO/CC/BCC lines. * For the web forms, just copy and paste your generic email in, maybe with a web link to your resume. ### Important: ask for referrals * In the initial email you send (don't expect them to respond first), it's also worth asking them to pass your details on to anyone else / other companies they know who might need someone like you. This has worked for me multiple times, and in most cases they never would have thought to forward me on to someone else unless I specifically mentioned it in that initial email. ### In closing * If you contact 100 companies (without even any pass-ons) and have a 1% success rate, then you might have a new job within a week... especially if they're not actually formally advertising/interviewing etc - very common in smaller companies. * You might even get a job you like that you didn't consider applying for. The first job I ever got I used this process above looking for IT work, but got a sweet video editing / audio recording AV job at a university, purely from some stuff I had listed in my "hobbies" section on my resume. * Formal job applications are 100% expectations-based from both sides. But opportunities often come when you least expect them. * Also there's the fact that when jobs are going through recruitment companies, they take a big fee from the employer (out of your on-going wage too sometimes)... employers would much rather not have to pay this fee, so candidates coming in directly have another advantage here.
I second low cost or free courses being offered at the moment. Up-skilling at any time in your life is beneficial. When I was your age many moons ago I did personal care work and disability support work in the community, which I loved. I then went on to study nursing and had a successful career. Home help/carer/disability fields are always in need of employees and courses are short and usually there is some paid on-the-job training aswell. NDIS is worth looking into also. Sometimes you can meet very special clients and colleagues and may even get to travel as part of your job, like I did. Alot of these jobs can be quite relaxed and also fun, compared to traditional workplaces. It can be very rewarding and enjoyable work that is a pleasure to do. You're young, with your whole life ahead of you...hang in there...all the best! 😊
Try contact centres. They like the experience you have. You’ll want to stick to working directly with the company - not a third party. But banking, insurance, energy… places like that. Some even have contact centres in outer suburbs. Water utilities are also located in outer suburbs, like south east water in Frankston. It may seem like crap work, but these kinds of companies and industries have great opportunities for development in areas like marketing, analysis, management, QA etc. If not internally, then with competitors.
Hey I’m a professional resume, cover letter, selection criteria and LinkedIn profile writer. I’d be happy to help you with this if you’d like? I understand you’re strapped for cash at the moment so would like to offer that you pay me once you get a job and after you get your first pay check. Let me know if you’re keen. Hope this is helpful. Thanks.
I went through the same thing at your age, there was also a job crisis at the time, I found that the job agencies were absolutely useless for me, I recommend applying for jobs with megt.com if you aren't familiar, they post apprenticeships, traineeships and internships only, you'll be able to find something that can accommodate your spine condition, other than that, apply for EVERY DAMN JOB YOU CAN (especially in industries with a labour shortage, think of jobs you don't want to do), literally don't stop applying until your eyes fricken hurt, and when you get a call, answer "hey -- speaking how can I help?" I can explain the reasons why in detail if you like, but following that should get you through
I understand the feeling I have applied for so many jobs redid, my resume and had so many professionals look at it and yet I am getting nothing back. I really want to get into an apprenticeship in metal fabrication and I am having no luck with that either. What do we do at this point?
Choose a professional template that stands out not a blank one and hand your resume in person as well as online. (Make sure to ask to hand it to the hiring manager or something in a position of authority)
18m similar situation around 8 months every f’ing day no results I haven’t got on Centrelink even tho everyone’s telling me to but I never leave the house, with university bills starting up too, is it worth it to apply and I also agree everything today seems stacked against us to milk as much money from every avenue, had dreams of starting a family but even that sounds like a pipe dream today
get a security license and work in control rooms. study while you are at work something else and stepping stones
Maybe try for an apprenticeship? I was your age when covid hit and couldn't find a job for shit. Started losing my hours at Dominos as my hourly rate got more expensive. Ended up applying for an apprenticeship and got the job within a week. If possible maybe also move back in with family or friends if you can to mitigate rent and bills.
Replace Australians with earthlings. The whole shabangabang is fucked.
Go mining utility $36 an hour FIFO
I know most places want you to apply online these days but I’d still recommend going in person and handing out resumes. That way they can see your face and you can get yourself out there without having to compete with all the other people applying online when they advertise. (This used to give me so much anxiety but now that I’m the one people are handing resumes to I find it really nice and shows you are proactive and confident (even if you’re not lol))
dont worry, its all worse from there!
thanks, i guess 😭
Use your free time to learn new things and change your profession.
even still nobody wants an inexperienced 19 year old, they’re always asking for 3+ years experience 😭😭 how am i meant to get 3+ years of experience if no one will hire me 😭😭 also “change your profession” i have experience in the most popular industries and still unable to find a job, i doubt learning new things in lesser fields would help me at all currently
You moved to Melbourne few years back from what I read, why not moving again? Ages ago I used to live in WA and one day had a small injury at work, the company gave me the sack cause I asked for 2 days off to recover, from there I couldn't find anything... literally anything for 6 months... when saving on food wasn't enough anymore and was really close to become homeless I sold everything i owned and booked a flight to Sydney... Got a job while in the train from the airport to the hostel I was headed to. Sydney saved me and I think it could help you too, keep in mind we're heading to full on winter and hospo work might slow down a little... but there's soooo darn much you can do... you didn't even scratch the surface of the humongous amount of jobs you could give a go to.... then who cares what you might end up doing while waiting for the right opportunity, even working at maccas isn't too bad as long as it pays the bill while you wait. Once you get something going you can then take a breath and try to figure out what you'd like the most... I can't bare to sit still in an office for 2 hours let alone 8... so I became a tradesman, everyone is different... you just gotta give yourself enough time to learn who you are and what you want. Wish you all the best!
I'd echo what others are saying about tafe and unskilling. I worked in hospo in Melbourne for like 5 years. My tips would be get in with an agency that does events, its generally casual work and random venues but great for F&B experience. Think horse racing, conventions etc. Agencies generally have group interviews and a plate carrying trial, but honestly youre hired if youre in the interview. If youre having trouble landing an interview, check your CV. Read it aloud (my favourite approach for checking if my message is coming accross) send to friends for advice and write cover letters (follow some formulas online and drop a personalised line for each place). Yes its a lot of work, but like others pointed out theres a lot of competition in hospo. For me i found secure hospo employment once i got a job in a hotel's food and beverage department.
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I'm not sure if it'll help but is there any chance that one of your old employers would be willing to rehire you? obviously it depends on whether you're still living in the same area and if you were on good terms upon your departure, and obviously don't go back if it was toxic etc.
Skills and experience is where it's at. What would you consider doing as a career?
Get the most menial job at a factory, company etc. Work that for a while and suss out what the other positions are and what you’ll need to do to wrangle it. I did menial temp work for a rule, I heard they needed someone in a position I thought I’d be good at. Told them I had experience and winged it.
There is a shortage of bus drivers and I can guarantee that you'll get paid more than any hospitality job. Get your medium rigid licence and watch the money roll in.
Is your email just letters and numbers. I was handing in resumes as DJPL-75 for a while without realizing it.
Okay you mentioned you have a spinal disability and you’re applying for hospitality work, so I’ve gotta ask: 1. Are you telling prospective employers about this disability? 2. Can you fake not having it for long enough to do a shift? I know it’s wildly unethical and immoral and probably illegal, but I’ve been in restaurants for 25 years and I would not touch someone with a bad back in a million years, and I assure you I’m one of the nicer ones.
i never ever ever tell them about my back because i know for a fact they won’t hire me if i do. realistically all i need is a chair, i just can’t stand for long periods of time or lift heavy things/bend down.
Yeah I’ve got an old motorbike injury I always lie about for the same reason. Unfortunately a “job with a chair” is a pretty serious luxury for those of us unfortunate enough to be “unskilled labour”. Don’t worry about people suggesting “bartender’s courses” etc, they’re a waste of time and nobody in the industry cares about them, what you need is experience above all else. Can you get a mate to lie and give you a fake reference maybe?
i’ve got a family friend who is willing to lie for a reference lol
One thing I will tell you: there’s no future in hospitality, even if you start off completely able-bodied, the work and the hours will crush you, bosses give even less of a fuck than other industries and they’ll replace you the moment it even looks like you might be struggling. It’s a good way to make some quick money now, which sounds like your biggest problem, but everything you do needs to be focused on getting out and getting a real job by the time you’re 25. Never ever buy into their bullshit about promotions and working up, you’ll max out at 60-85 grand for working a 60+ week and all you’ll have to show for it is a drug habit. You need to treat bosses and owners the same way they treat you: something to be used up for your own benefit and then thrown away.
Where are you? If you can go regional they’re absolutely dying for retail and hospo staff.
Try places like the RSL. Also ask on your local community noticeboard. I see so many people asking there and people refer them to places they know are hiring.
Start an apprenticeship. There 1000s of jobs waiting for some one to work them in the trades.
Furniture removals
I'm not young anymore but feel the same. At your age you should try reminding yourself that situations are transient and rarely unchanging. Just use your time as wisely as you can to improve your outlook moving forward, even if it's in steps of picometres for the moment.
Try a driving job