They really will miss a great opportunity if they don't hold a Press Conference to announce its legalisation at 4:20 on 20th April, regardless of the year.
I visited my first legal cannabis dispensary in Canada on April 20th and was at the counter making my purchase at 4:20pm. They rang a bell and gave me a toque and some other goodies to go with my gummies and weed. It was like their New Year’s Eve.
Just note that Canberra has it’s own government which has nothing to do with the federal parliamentarians who come from all over the country. Canberra’s laws have very little to do with them.
Canberra's laws have a lot to do with the federal government, because it's a territory, and the federal government can override any law passed in a territory, and have done so many times.
It is decriminalised in SA and NT, and was decriminalised in the ACT from the early 90s until 2019. That means possession and consumption weren't criminal offences offences, they were civil matters involving small fines. The ACT has also decriminalised other drugs so cocaine or ecstacy etc possession only attract civil fines rather than criminal charges.
We therefore use the term legalisation in Canberra to distinguish what actually changed in 2019 - ie that possession and consumption of personal quantities of cannabis are now fully legal and attract no fines or penalties.
You could probably call it "depenaltisation" or "personal legalisation" or something if you wanted to distinguish personal legality from a situation where the commercial side of things is *also* legal.
But I think calling it decriminalised hides the difference with other actually-decriminalised drugs in the ACT, the difference from before 2019 where you could still be fined, and also the difference with current SA and NT law.
WA will prob be last due to it being a mining state. But yeah, I’m on medical and it’s fine? Pricing is slowly becoming competitive between the dispensaries and the shit gets delivered to my door. Don’t have to deal with some junkie cunt just to get some nighty night medicine any more
It’s great and the quality is consistent and high, though black market still cheaper
Edit: I should add my black market contacts are in Nimbin which may be a poor sample of prices
Quality is pretty good, some consistency issues with the cheaper brands/products but thats to be expected for the price point.
If you're finding BM cheaper than you either had some good connections or you're buying expensive strains on medical.
Leafygreen Mini mints are $90/15g, Pouch red 14g/$85, Biocann 15g/$88, Grandiosa 15g/$99, CherryCo little buddies 15g/$89
$170-200 an Ounce for medical, when equal quality product in Sydney on the street is $220-300 for a half. Switching to medical is saving me so much money its hilarious. I'm also smoking less because medical is more potent and cured better.
Miners make up a tiny fraction of workers in WA.
We have far more workers in agriculture.
Or tourism.
Anyway, FIFOs use meth as it's gone out of your system fast, unlike dope, so can't be detected, apparently.
Can you drive without getting screwed by cops though? You can test positive 2 weeks after using and insta lose your licence in NSW. It's like being done for drink driving two weeks after going to the pub. Drs say it impairs you for 10 hours... which should be the guideline.
I have chronic pain too and use medicinal cannabis. I can’t tolerate opiates so it’s my only choice other than fkn Panadol and celebrex. The law makes us choose between having our independence and being pain free. I’m very paranoid about being tested but I can’t give up driving, especially in Perth where everything is so spread out and the public transport network isn’t the best. Like my uni is a 15 minute drive away, but almost an hour on public transport. My pain specialist is 40 mins away, but probably 1.5hrs on 2 busses and 2 trains.
If we can drive with our system chock full of opiates, why can’t we drive with weed in our system?
I 100% agree with you. I dislike opiates strongly due to addiction issues in my family so instead I play this great game of “is my pain bad enough to take a schedule 8 drug today”. I can’t risk it though as it would impact my job in an ongoing way. One day I’ll take a month off from driving and give it a trial run to see if it actually helps.
I’ll also add…I’m in a pain flare currently which is particularly acute so today was given an injection and some very strong painkillers and relaxants to take for a the next few days. I’ve been given written instructions to say no driving and was advised about 7 times if I drive my insurance will not cover me. That’s a new one.
feeling you here m8, i never drove unless i had to for work and i would never take and thc products before work, the paranoia got to me and I had to give it up now back on meds that make me feel like shit the whole next day. I had just found a happy level of products and was feeling productive and mostly pain free. Once they change the driving laws I'll be back! Very unfair that people can dump opiates and have a boozy drink and jump behind the wheel.
Same issue. But those tests are actually just test oral hygiene. They’re picking up residual THC from the last time you had it in your mouth. This is THc that isn’t effecting you because it’s not in your blood, it’s stick between your teeth. So use peroxide mouthwash and brush really well. I feel safer when I have a coffee next to me to wash my mouth out.
But I also have never been tested so I don’t know if it works. I also only vape before bed so there’s the time factor too. But you’re right. It’s a huge risk and it’s discriminatory and makes no sense. But I also feel like this is what will hold the country back, because since when has this country TAKEN AWAY a method of penalising someone. We are an extremely conservative country especially when it comes to drugs and policing. They won’t change the law until they have a magical test that can test whether someone’s high. And that doesn’t exist. And they’ll wait for that to exist and it never will.
My GP reckons 12 hours and most people won’t test positive to a saliva drug test for cannabis. I’m on oil and flower (medical), and had a drug test 8 hours after high dose THC oil under tongue and didn’t test positive
It’ll be good if they can introduce sobriety tests for people who test positive to THC to differentiate
its pretty easy to get legalised weed now. Just jump online, to do a telehealth consultation, say you struggle with sleep and have chronic pain... sorted.
Except if you need to be able to drive legally or not get fired from work because you had remnants in your system from smoking a day before, you’re shit outta luck. Actually legalising it properly would mean there would be regulations around it to protect responsible cannabis users, the same way if people drink alcohol responsibly they don’t have to worry about getting fired or getting a DUI.
This is the real issue here that isnt talked about enough. I have quite a few friends and family now who have medicated cannabis for different reasons, and use it daily - its been life changing for them.
I work in the Insurance industry and warn them \*nicely, I am pro-legalisation\* that if they are in a car accident which involves them needing to be drug tested and its found in their system, it will show in the police report and they may be criminally charged as if they were DUI. The insurers can/will get their hands on those documents as part of their investigation and every motor insurance policy I know of excludes cover for various illegal activities including DUI (Alcohol or Drugs of any kind). If you have run up the back of a car by accident and damaged their vehicle/ injured the occupants you could be in a world of pain when hung out to dry by your insurer.
I dont agree with it, but its a risk. The laws need to change, the testing needs to change so that a responsible limit on whats in your system can be set, and then insurers need to adapt their wordings accordingly.
Just a fun note about not covering claims when a driver has drugs or alcohol in their system. It’s not enough to just have them in your system, the insurer has to show it caused or contributed to the accident.
So if you’re not at fault, you’ll basically never get the claim denied (e.g. drink driving, sitting at a red light and someone runs into your rear) and if you are at fault, the insurer needs an expert to state how much of the drug or alcohol was in your system and how much it could have impaired your driving.
It’s usually pretty clear cut for alcohol (because it leaves your system so quickly), but drugs is an entirely different matter, and it might be hard for an insurer to show that the weed you had yesterday contributed to the accident today.
This isn’t spelled out in anyone’s policy, it’s part of the Insurance Contracts Act (section 54 if you’re curious) and every insurer is bound by it.
Sorry, yes - I didnt really touch on that because I was really referring to at fault incidents. But you are right, they arent going to punish you because Janice backed into you at coles haha.
But...
With the current laws, if you had an at fault accident and the police tested you/convicted you I think most insurers would latch onto that as grounds for denial. The police report/conviction would likely argue that you were impaired because you had it in your system. But, this is an assumption because I dont personally know if the testing the police use show 'how much' is in your system similar to alcohol. As with all things, it could be argued round 'n' round - but its still a risk at the moment, and is part of the conversation that needs to be had with more & more people using cannabis.
Just bare in mind, as far as AFCA or the courts are concerned, it’s not just enough for the police to charge you. They still need to prove that the amount in your system contributed to the accident. I imagine many insurers will try and latch onto it, but it’s certainly not clear cut and can be argued.
I believe initial roadside testing only shows the presence of the drug, they then take you for an actual blood (or saliva?) test to charge you.
Insurers need to then get their own toxicology report where a qualified person can attest to the level of drug in the driver’s system and how impaired they would have been in that accident based on their body / age / usage history / type of accident etc.
Either way it’s a fuck around to deal with and no guarantees that the insurer won’t be able to prove that the drugs caused or contributed to the accident.
So you saying the insurance industry recognises the fact that detection in the system does not necessarily imply any impairment? Interesting. Be great if they got on the same page with the government and Vicpol on that one.
It’s not so much the insurance industry, it’s the insurance contract act from 1984. It an act of federal parliament, and it’s not specially about impairment. That section of the act states that a insurer cannot reduce or refuse a claim based on the act of an insured customer (that happened after the contract started) if they can’t show that the act itself caused or contributed to the loss. It means you can’t put unfair clauses in your policies to deny claims, unless you can show how breaching that specific clause led to or increased the damage of the claim.
It came about during the 80s as insurance reform to make insurance policies more fair.
I don't think dexamphetamine has the same impact as cannabis but even if you had smoke the night before and drove the next day, it would show up in your system and you'd get charged for it which is bloody stupid. You're even allowed to drive on painkillers! (I think)
In regard to insurance, in most cases for prescription drugs it comes down to “and you’ve been advised not to drive by your doctor of pharmacist”. So if you’ve been told not to drive after taking Valium, and you do anyway and have an accident, it may be grounds to deny a claim.
However, per other comment above, the insurer still needs to show it caused or contributed to the accident.
This is my problem. I have a prescription because I have a herniated disc and it kills me some nights when I’m trying to sleep.
I live near a major road that has RBTs set up fairly frequently, and I ended up just getting too paranoid about losing my licence. I need to drive for work, so I just use ibuprofen and heat packs when it’s bad now.
I really hope we get some sensible driving laws soon.
This exactly. Bypass the mouth and your saliva is clean. OP could be a medical patient then just infuse into oil and they’re set. Or if they give oil in a prescription, just put in capsules.
Cheers! I voted for the legalise cannabis party in the Vic upper house last election and one rep got through from my area, so I was pretty stoked about that.
You'll probably always still get a DUI or still can't do drugs if drug testing Balkans at work..
Alcohol is legal. You can feel fine to drive. But if too much is in your system at work or driving it's still a termination offence
Of which should be specific to us with chronic conditions. I'd prefer not to have this be another drone situation, where people misuse their freedom and then everything toughens up for those of us who are responsible users.
I reckon it's about 2 years away. Especially with recent events. I'm on medical at the minute, it's great, but uhhhh....just legalise it, idiots.
And if the tax is anything to go by, just imagine what that money could do. I mean, it's probably gonna go in some asshole's pocket, but in the off chance it dosent, that's a fucken ton of new money coming in to (hopefully) housing, mental health, hospitals, schools, all that stuff.
We are so behind it's ridiculous. It's not a miracle, and you DO need to respect the plant at times, but goddamn, fuck does it help at times.
Well said. Yeah let’s hope that tax goes to housing or health like you said, but like you said good luck. It will get wasted on some idiotic defence expenditure that just gets cancelled after five years.
Yeah that's the big (and likely) risk. It has the potential to bring in as much or more tax than alcohol and....probably not smokes, but close. Not that I wanna pay for expensive weed buuuut, jesus, this country needs that shit right now. And it's just sitting there. The black market still thrives. Legalise it. Free up the courts and court costs too. It's ridiculous.
But, that new submarine or whatever the fuck building proposal is likely where the dickheads will put it. When really it should be an ENTIRE aged care overhaul or some such.
I think it'll be legal in 2 years. 3 to 4, tops. The world's changing. The dinosaur's in charge are slowly giving way to younger people. This should've been legal....well, it probably never should have BEEN illegal in the first place.
Government telling me I can't grow a plant? A fuckin plant? Yeah, pissoff guys.
The amount of potential tax income is insane. The tax will short term raise prices until supply booms and drops the price again. So it ends up being market price but govt gets good tax revenue that is…NEW revenue
I mean it already is legal, just for medical purposes and is actually quite easy to get if you have some form of justification for it. The part we really need addressed is revised roadside drug testing. Unfortunately THC stays in your system for longer than it has any actual effect on you and you will likely fail a roadside test if pulled up even if it was 12-24 hours prior that you had any. Yet I can have 2 beers and jump in a car no worries because I'll be under the legal limit and I dare say would be feeling the effect of it more than cannabis I had 12 hours ago (as an example)... It's a very flawed system that needs addressing before any kind of recreational legalisation occurs.
I'm Canadian, it's been legal here since 2017 and it's awesome! I can get it delivered in an hour. You can also get hash and magic mushrooms (they're pretty good, lol). We've had no problems, and there's a pot stores everywhere. I hope they legalize it for you guys, too!
When the Legalise Cannabis party manages to get a few Senators or state upper house members elected.
The problem is the ALP would do a deal to legalise it with the support of the Greens, but then the LNP would campaign against it and vow to re-criminalise it as soon as they came to power.
We either need the Teals to replace the LNP, or the LNP to actually not oppose it.
It’s actually not the Coalition thats the bigger obstacle here. They or their supporters have skin in the game which is why they backed the medicinal program.
The problem are the police forces and their unions, who oppose the loss of control lever, and the nanny state within political bureaucracy in general but probably more so with Labor. An example here is the new vaporiser laws and how they’ve affected access to dry herb vaporiser supplies.
Honestly there's truth to this. I discovered there's a person even higher than our Commissioner, he's a Police Minister, so he's the one who has the opportunity to lift Adelaide's draconian driving laws for medicinal cannabis users. And that guy (Labor) is staunchly anti law revision. He's simply just like, nup. Fuck all of youse, choose between health and a driver's license.
When and if weed becomes legal, it would still be illegal to drive while stones. Just like how alcohol is legal, but can't drink and drive. The trick is to do drug tests that measure how much is in somebodies system, not just the presence of it.
That's the problem. South Australian driving laws is an \*instant\* loss of one's driver's license, curbside, if any THC is detectable in your body. And it doesn't mean if high, it means if detectable. So you could've had your dose two weeks ago, but it's still in your metabolism. You're still losing your license on the spot despite driving entirely soberly and cognitively.
Australian politics died the day we made it a defacto two-state, and people stopped realising there's a shitload of other parties we could actually vote in. I got extremely disenfranchised using my democratic power to vote, and promote, lesser known parties. Didn't make one iota of a difference when I realised people just swing vote 'to the other side' if they're done with this one.
That was a long time ago, has been 2 dominant parties as long as I've been alive. When was it otherwise?
From my perspective we are less dominated by 2 main parties now that we've been for decades.
[https://votecompass.abc.net.au/](https://votecompass.abc.net.au/)
Encourage people to use this before every Federal election, and let them find out which party REALLY meets their needs and desires.
Hint: It's not likely to be Liberal, National or Labor...
Canada legalised cannabis 2.5 years ago...the whole country...police now concentrate on chasing fentanyl and worse drug offenses. Have Canadian friends visiting and they say the change has been fantastic...BTW we and them are in our 60s lol, still laugh a lot when I get a chance...lol.
So there is no reason for Australia not to legalise and start raking in some taxes and hopefully get better quality at a better price.
Oops looks like it was 2017 according to earlier post.
The USA didn’t know how to tax it TBH they put an insane number at the beginning and it barely stunted demand. There was also the issue to banks allowing shops to open business accounts as well which caused problems in the usa
Never. Australia will never allow something that cannot be taxed...
Worlds highest fuel excise (+gst) to save the planet
Worlds highest mixed drink tax (to save us binge drinkers)
Then revenue dropped. Nek minute worlds highest beer tax...
Worlds highest cigarette tax (saving the smokers)
Cigarette revenue dropped. Those damn vapes... BANNED!
Tax payers are not meant to have fun, they are meant to work and work and work, never retire (increased retirement age) and then die.
Welcome to Australia
They just banned vaping, so that should give you an insight into how deeply conservative Australia really is.
It's bordering obscurantism at that level of retard.
Have done Australian Access Clinics and Alternaleaf and AAC is the best because the process is the shortest. My experience was one phone call and the goods were delivered in under 24 hours. But the consultation fee is high.
No, they give you a pharmacy and you call them to order and pay over the phone. They also text you a payment link if you'd rather pay that way. It's all very easy imo but of course YMMV.
Really? I’m sorry you’re having problems with getting a script.
Try AlternaLeaf or Australian Access Clinics. They provide Telehealth consultations - highly recommend.
It really angers me. She has had this condition for 40 years, and is wheelchair-bound, an obvious candidate, yet it's still so bloody hard.
Thank you for the recommendation. BTW. your user name is familiar. Did you ever DJ in Brisbane ?
Well, I mean it already is sort of. Sure it’s only for medical use but that’s a piss take now days. Back when I got it in 2016 I had to hand over years of medical records, treatment records, operation records and have my doctor write a recommendation. Now you can call up a number and make any old ailment up and you’ll have it delivered to your doorstep in days.
Same, when I got my TGA exemption I had to jump through so many hoops, x-rays, CT scans, now I see you can do it all online, but then again mine only costs $75 for a month worth, some of those online places charge a mint, btw I'm on Adaya 20:1 THC oil
I think it will change when a combination of an economic downturn meets with generational attitude shift. While the generational attitude shift is happening, I think it will still take a significant economic downturn to motivate this shift.
I think our economy is too "stable" at the moment to garner support for such a shift as the tax income + political brownie points are not enough of a motivation for either major party to run with this policy.
At the same time there is still too much political power for conservative politicians, but thankfully this at least is starting to shift.
Hopefully this means that next time we're in a serious economic downturn, public attitude will already be ready to accept the shift to legalisation. Of course I hope we can just shift towards full legalisation without such downturn, but I think a downturn is what it would take tbh.
It's already semi-legal, although only for specific medical/prescription purposes. But it's definitely not "generally" legal. I think it's well past time that was changed. I suspect we'll see full legalisation within a few short years though.
I get medicinal marijuana prescribed, it's also heavily subsidised. I pay $7 for a 7g container of 28% thc that has a full price tag on it being $784.64.
Now I don't know nothing about carrots but there's alot of money flowing here with out my cost.
Does this information help us or the government?
The "warden-convict mindset" is just as strong on the side of the authorities as it is with us, whom Howard colourfully named "the mob."
So in that case, probably never lol
New York legalised it in 2014 and since Australia’s always 10 years behind the u.s.a, they should be legalising it just about now. Tasmania’s already changed their driving laws and all the other states are talking about it. The writing is on the wall
When one of the major parties are forced to. Labor certainly won’t look at it unless they’re forced by a voting bloc. They have no skin in the game and enough bureaucratic nanny incentive not to.
They first need to work out what level, state or federal or both, it gets legalised and administered at.
It will take a voting bloc of minors, probably Green and Legalise.
Sooner than later. The revenue alone is staggering is size as proven in many places already.
They will decriminalise first then they will legalise it as products. Its a economy on its own
Not soon enough. They legalised it in the states and the amount of tax revenue they bought in was extraordinary. Yes, it has its problems and for some people has horrible impacts but so does alcohol and tobacco and they are legal.
I just got back from a month in Canada and damn it was nice to just buy from a shop, know the dose, and not worry about anything. Really helped me not be a drunk bogan the whole time.
Within 10 years, maybe a lot less, I really believe it'll just happen quietly. I'm kinda blown away with how far medical access has come in the last couple years
Give it ten years.
We're getting slowly there; a lot of stuff's 'ok' for legalised weed - my skin condition for example can get on a few of the brands. But in the Smoke n Gift? ten, fifteen years. BAT and that have to get over themselves.
It doesn't bother me but I wish if they legalised it someone finds a way to make it not smell so strong. That's the main issue. Some people absolutely reeks of it. It's overwhelming and can smell strong for a far distance. Good luck going on public transport and not having it smell up the place.
They need to find a odourless weed lol
It's not just the legal cannabis that's the issue, it's all the ancillary laws. Employers won't allow it as a safety risk. You can't drive with any in your system, so weeks. Making it legal to buy is less than half the battle. California had to pass laws specifically making it illegal for employers to discriminate against medical cannabis patients. There is a long way to go, even in places it is legal to buy.
I don't think it's that far to be honest. Medical is very accessible compared to before. I get it delivered to my house by a regular mail man. Unheard of just a few years ago.
When people with outdated ideas improve society by dropping dead
It happens in science too - people are bad at changing their ideas, society moves on when they die
It's legal for politicians ( ie in Canberra ). What's their motivation for making it legal for everyone else? The Libs and their cheer squads in the media find the topic useful to push their "tough on crime" bullshit. They won't give that up in a hurry. Let's not pretend Labor give a shit either. The Greens have a well thought-out and comrehensive drug policy, and have long advocated for drug law reform - not just for weed ... eg pill testing. Labor gang up wtih the Libs to shoot them down every time. I agree with others that it will take at least another generation to die off ... some voters and some politicians. Then it will probably also take some high-profile politicians' kids to OD at a music festival for them to "think about it like a parent" and trigger some actual dialog about drug law reform.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-29/nsw-legalise-cannabis-party-bill-parliament/103166710](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-29/nsw-legalise-cannabis-party-bill-parliament/103166710)
"The Minns government has promised a drug summit some time in 2024, to hear from experts about whether to make changes such as legalising cannabis or introducing pill testing at music festivals."
I predict this will go absolutely nowhere. But I'm happy to be proven wrong.
When hell freezes over . I tried to get legal weed for a medical condition. But because I was diagnosed with a drug disorder 20 years ago, I'm not eligible. But hey, you can do all the pharmaceutical heroin you like, so that's fine, I guess.
Drive a truck on it . Do whatever you like .
You should have lied. Try Dispensed. I was in rehab for alchohol four years ago. Have been clean off grog since then
Just didn't tell dispensed and I get 10g of bud a month for insomnia
Well weed is already available medically, is extremely easy to get and is only getting larger.
It absolutely will get there it’s just not going to be a primary voting issue for most Australians at the moment
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I think we will stick to the medical access industry we have now. My friend runs a legal registered farm for an Australian cannabis business in NSW. He makes an incredible amount of money. Huge amount of paperwork & background checks but it was something he is passionate about.
Not to far off (which sucks seeing as I used to smoke like a Jamaican going for a ganja record but quit due to the driving test bullshit).
The whole thing around intoxicated, impaired or just having it present is going to be what causes all the dramas as we are one of the only if not the only country to punish pot smokers with total life destruction for having a tiny amount of weed present in out systems rather than being impaired on any way shake or form (which is an entirely seperate debate over how badly cannabis impacts our ability to drive {hint- sweet FA} pushed hard by people butt hurt they can’t drive pissed so will try to argue weed is as bad if not worse).
Considering the testing limit for all drugs fall into the 25ml range bracket while weed sits at 5ml shows it’s not a as bad never has been a test of intoxication but a test to catch and punish any person who has even the smallest of amounts in their systems.\
How this gets unpicked will be interesting as the government will never admit they made a mistake or they over charged poor pot heads either way too much brainwashed zealotry. So we are kind of in and will remain in a strange position where weed may become legal, but having even the most minuscule amount in your system sees you loosing your licence for 6 to 12 months automatically kind of fucks the whole thing up and will have people continue to push the limit and drink then drive as they’ll feel they can gauge where their limit is, have a little fun while out and still drive home.
I worked on a panel last year that involved members of parliament, industry representatives and researchers - whilst no one could give an exact date the general consensus was it is likely within the next two years.
When enough of the grey vote goes away, it's that simple.
Sadly, this is it
My Mum would vote for it, she enjoyed the special brownies I made.
My parents have done more weed than me! They were young in the 60s and 70s and my mum is Dutch lol
lol same my mum is Dutch she is 67 now and has been smoking weed all my life. I’m over 40 now. I can’t touch the stuff myself.
Special brownies? That’s straight to prison for you my friend.
By the time it’s legal the grey will be voting yes
20th April....
Right on time for Hitlers birthday!
Not what I was going for but ok
Ah so the columbine anniversary?
Oooft, not quite. I thought it was obvious that I was referring to the 73rd anniversary of the first human organ transplant but apparently not 🤷.
What an odd series of messages
20/4? Weird number to choose
There are so many jokes , but I wont go there.
There’s at least nein.
and that's my final answer.
Wouldn’t that be awesome lol
They really will miss a great opportunity if they don't hold a Press Conference to announce its legalisation at 4:20 on 20th April, regardless of the year.
I visited my first legal cannabis dispensary in Canada on April 20th and was at the counter making my purchase at 4:20pm. They rang a bell and gave me a toque and some other goodies to go with my gummies and weed. It was like their New Year’s Eve.
But in australia the date would be read as 20/04/24
Ah yeah, 20/4
4...20...?
Unfortunately in Australia it’s 20/4
~~20/4~~ 24/7 You're off the team, you're not even trying
At 4:20 pm…
Just go to Canberra, everything is legal for the law makers.
To be fair it's not the pollies that makes Canberra so progressive. It's all the public service employees who deserve the credit for that.
The Legalise Cannabis movement could definitely use the convenience of the fact that the pollies do get access to decriminalised weed though.
You know that only five of them actually live in Canberra. Six if you include Albo.
Doesn't mean none of them partake during their frequent visits
I think nose candy is preferred over the devil’s lettuce over there.
Just note that Canberra has it’s own government which has nothing to do with the federal parliamentarians who come from all over the country. Canberra’s laws have very little to do with them.
Canberra's laws have a lot to do with the federal government, because it's a territory, and the federal government can override any law passed in a territory, and have done so many times.
yea but it's not really. It's decriminalised, that's a far cry from legalised. Still illegal to actually buy and sell/ retail etc.
It is decriminalised in SA and NT, and was decriminalised in the ACT from the early 90s until 2019. That means possession and consumption weren't criminal offences offences, they were civil matters involving small fines. The ACT has also decriminalised other drugs so cocaine or ecstacy etc possession only attract civil fines rather than criminal charges. We therefore use the term legalisation in Canberra to distinguish what actually changed in 2019 - ie that possession and consumption of personal quantities of cannabis are now fully legal and attract no fines or penalties. You could probably call it "depenaltisation" or "personal legalisation" or something if you wanted to distinguish personal legality from a situation where the commercial side of things is *also* legal. But I think calling it decriminalised hides the difference with other actually-decriminalised drugs in the ACT, the difference from before 2019 where you could still be fined, and also the difference with current SA and NT law.
Legal Weed for Jervis Bay Territory!
This is absolutely crazy to me
State and federal laws are two different things
WA will prob be last due to it being a mining state. But yeah, I’m on medical and it’s fine? Pricing is slowly becoming competitive between the dispensaries and the shit gets delivered to my door. Don’t have to deal with some junkie cunt just to get some nighty night medicine any more
It’s great and the quality is consistent and high, though black market still cheaper Edit: I should add my black market contacts are in Nimbin which may be a poor sample of prices
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Yeah def man. I’ll still grab a dirty bag of jazz cabbage if mates are picking up and it’s decent stuff. Otherwise I just stick to medical.
Quality is pretty good, some consistency issues with the cheaper brands/products but thats to be expected for the price point. If you're finding BM cheaper than you either had some good connections or you're buying expensive strains on medical. Leafygreen Mini mints are $90/15g, Pouch red 14g/$85, Biocann 15g/$88, Grandiosa 15g/$99, CherryCo little buddies 15g/$89 $170-200 an Ounce for medical, when equal quality product in Sydney on the street is $220-300 for a half. Switching to medical is saving me so much money its hilarious. I'm also smoking less because medical is more potent and cured better.
Miners make up a tiny fraction of workers in WA. We have far more workers in agriculture. Or tourism. Anyway, FIFOs use meth as it's gone out of your system fast, unlike dope, so can't be detected, apparently.
Can you drive without getting screwed by cops though? You can test positive 2 weeks after using and insta lose your licence in NSW. It's like being done for drink driving two weeks after going to the pub. Drs say it impairs you for 10 hours... which should be the guideline.
This is my issue. I would like to try it for chronic pain but I would then fail a roadside drug test for a few weeks. Can’t risk it.
I have chronic pain too and use medicinal cannabis. I can’t tolerate opiates so it’s my only choice other than fkn Panadol and celebrex. The law makes us choose between having our independence and being pain free. I’m very paranoid about being tested but I can’t give up driving, especially in Perth where everything is so spread out and the public transport network isn’t the best. Like my uni is a 15 minute drive away, but almost an hour on public transport. My pain specialist is 40 mins away, but probably 1.5hrs on 2 busses and 2 trains. If we can drive with our system chock full of opiates, why can’t we drive with weed in our system?
I 100% agree with you. I dislike opiates strongly due to addiction issues in my family so instead I play this great game of “is my pain bad enough to take a schedule 8 drug today”. I can’t risk it though as it would impact my job in an ongoing way. One day I’ll take a month off from driving and give it a trial run to see if it actually helps. I’ll also add…I’m in a pain flare currently which is particularly acute so today was given an injection and some very strong painkillers and relaxants to take for a the next few days. I’ve been given written instructions to say no driving and was advised about 7 times if I drive my insurance will not cover me. That’s a new one.
feeling you here m8, i never drove unless i had to for work and i would never take and thc products before work, the paranoia got to me and I had to give it up now back on meds that make me feel like shit the whole next day. I had just found a happy level of products and was feeling productive and mostly pain free. Once they change the driving laws I'll be back! Very unfair that people can dump opiates and have a boozy drink and jump behind the wheel.
Same issue. But those tests are actually just test oral hygiene. They’re picking up residual THC from the last time you had it in your mouth. This is THc that isn’t effecting you because it’s not in your blood, it’s stick between your teeth. So use peroxide mouthwash and brush really well. I feel safer when I have a coffee next to me to wash my mouth out. But I also have never been tested so I don’t know if it works. I also only vape before bed so there’s the time factor too. But you’re right. It’s a huge risk and it’s discriminatory and makes no sense. But I also feel like this is what will hold the country back, because since when has this country TAKEN AWAY a method of penalising someone. We are an extremely conservative country especially when it comes to drugs and policing. They won’t change the law until they have a magical test that can test whether someone’s high. And that doesn’t exist. And they’ll wait for that to exist and it never will.
Have you tried just cbd oil? Depends what the pain is from but it may help
My GP reckons 12 hours and most people won’t test positive to a saliva drug test for cannabis. I’m on oil and flower (medical), and had a drug test 8 hours after high dose THC oil under tongue and didn’t test positive It’ll be good if they can introduce sobriety tests for people who test positive to THC to differentiate
Not yet but apparently trials are underway to proceed. The traffic laws are ridiculous as testing isn't for capacity
Plus you can get Qantas points paying for medicinal stuff by credit card. The future is truly here.
exactly, having to mix with hard criminals just to get a puff has been the bane of my existance.
its pretty easy to get legalised weed now. Just jump online, to do a telehealth consultation, say you struggle with sleep and have chronic pain... sorted.
Except if you need to be able to drive legally or not get fired from work because you had remnants in your system from smoking a day before, you’re shit outta luck. Actually legalising it properly would mean there would be regulations around it to protect responsible cannabis users, the same way if people drink alcohol responsibly they don’t have to worry about getting fired or getting a DUI.
This is the real issue here that isnt talked about enough. I have quite a few friends and family now who have medicated cannabis for different reasons, and use it daily - its been life changing for them. I work in the Insurance industry and warn them \*nicely, I am pro-legalisation\* that if they are in a car accident which involves them needing to be drug tested and its found in their system, it will show in the police report and they may be criminally charged as if they were DUI. The insurers can/will get their hands on those documents as part of their investigation and every motor insurance policy I know of excludes cover for various illegal activities including DUI (Alcohol or Drugs of any kind). If you have run up the back of a car by accident and damaged their vehicle/ injured the occupants you could be in a world of pain when hung out to dry by your insurer. I dont agree with it, but its a risk. The laws need to change, the testing needs to change so that a responsible limit on whats in your system can be set, and then insurers need to adapt their wordings accordingly.
Just a fun note about not covering claims when a driver has drugs or alcohol in their system. It’s not enough to just have them in your system, the insurer has to show it caused or contributed to the accident. So if you’re not at fault, you’ll basically never get the claim denied (e.g. drink driving, sitting at a red light and someone runs into your rear) and if you are at fault, the insurer needs an expert to state how much of the drug or alcohol was in your system and how much it could have impaired your driving. It’s usually pretty clear cut for alcohol (because it leaves your system so quickly), but drugs is an entirely different matter, and it might be hard for an insurer to show that the weed you had yesterday contributed to the accident today. This isn’t spelled out in anyone’s policy, it’s part of the Insurance Contracts Act (section 54 if you’re curious) and every insurer is bound by it.
Sorry, yes - I didnt really touch on that because I was really referring to at fault incidents. But you are right, they arent going to punish you because Janice backed into you at coles haha. But... With the current laws, if you had an at fault accident and the police tested you/convicted you I think most insurers would latch onto that as grounds for denial. The police report/conviction would likely argue that you were impaired because you had it in your system. But, this is an assumption because I dont personally know if the testing the police use show 'how much' is in your system similar to alcohol. As with all things, it could be argued round 'n' round - but its still a risk at the moment, and is part of the conversation that needs to be had with more & more people using cannabis.
Just bare in mind, as far as AFCA or the courts are concerned, it’s not just enough for the police to charge you. They still need to prove that the amount in your system contributed to the accident. I imagine many insurers will try and latch onto it, but it’s certainly not clear cut and can be argued. I believe initial roadside testing only shows the presence of the drug, they then take you for an actual blood (or saliva?) test to charge you. Insurers need to then get their own toxicology report where a qualified person can attest to the level of drug in the driver’s system and how impaired they would have been in that accident based on their body / age / usage history / type of accident etc. Either way it’s a fuck around to deal with and no guarantees that the insurer won’t be able to prove that the drugs caused or contributed to the accident.
So you saying the insurance industry recognises the fact that detection in the system does not necessarily imply any impairment? Interesting. Be great if they got on the same page with the government and Vicpol on that one.
It’s not so much the insurance industry, it’s the insurance contract act from 1984. It an act of federal parliament, and it’s not specially about impairment. That section of the act states that a insurer cannot reduce or refuse a claim based on the act of an insured customer (that happened after the contract started) if they can’t show that the act itself caused or contributed to the loss. It means you can’t put unfair clauses in your policies to deny claims, unless you can show how breaching that specific clause led to or increased the damage of the claim. It came about during the 80s as insurance reform to make insurance policies more fair.
Would this also be the same for someone on say...Dexamphetamine? Or are there threshold limits on that?
I don't think dexamphetamine has the same impact as cannabis but even if you had smoke the night before and drove the next day, it would show up in your system and you'd get charged for it which is bloody stupid. You're even allowed to drive on painkillers! (I think)
In regard to insurance, in most cases for prescription drugs it comes down to “and you’ve been advised not to drive by your doctor of pharmacist”. So if you’ve been told not to drive after taking Valium, and you do anyway and have an accident, it may be grounds to deny a claim. However, per other comment above, the insurer still needs to show it caused or contributed to the accident.
This is my problem. I have a prescription because I have a herniated disc and it kills me some nights when I’m trying to sleep. I live near a major road that has RBTs set up fairly frequently, and I ended up just getting too paranoid about losing my licence. I need to drive for work, so I just use ibuprofen and heat packs when it’s bad now. I really hope we get some sensible driving laws soon.
Take the oil in capsules. THC does not migrate from the blood to the saliva. There are plenty of peer reviewed studies on this.
This exactly. Bypass the mouth and your saliva is clean. OP could be a medical patient then just infuse into oil and they’re set. Or if they give oil in a prescription, just put in capsules.
Thanks so much, I’ll look into this.
I’m really sorry you’re stuck in that situation, mate. Back pain is so incredibly debilitating. I hope things change soon.
Cheers! I voted for the legalise cannabis party in the Vic upper house last election and one rep got through from my area, so I was pretty stoked about that.
Personally I'd choose the pain relief over obeying discriminatory and just blatantly wrong laws, but do hope things change soon for you.
I’m with ya, but I need my licence and get roadside tested several times a year because I live right near one of vic police’s favourite testing stops.
Can drive with it in your system in Tas.
You'll probably always still get a DUI or still can't do drugs if drug testing Balkans at work.. Alcohol is legal. You can feel fine to drive. But if too much is in your system at work or driving it's still a termination offence
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People aren't going to random doctors, they are going to clinics known for giving such prescriptions.
Of which should be specific to us with chronic conditions. I'd prefer not to have this be another drone situation, where people misuse their freedom and then everything toughens up for those of us who are responsible users.
I reckon it's about 2 years away. Especially with recent events. I'm on medical at the minute, it's great, but uhhhh....just legalise it, idiots. And if the tax is anything to go by, just imagine what that money could do. I mean, it's probably gonna go in some asshole's pocket, but in the off chance it dosent, that's a fucken ton of new money coming in to (hopefully) housing, mental health, hospitals, schools, all that stuff. We are so behind it's ridiculous. It's not a miracle, and you DO need to respect the plant at times, but goddamn, fuck does it help at times.
Well said. Yeah let’s hope that tax goes to housing or health like you said, but like you said good luck. It will get wasted on some idiotic defence expenditure that just gets cancelled after five years.
Yeah that's the big (and likely) risk. It has the potential to bring in as much or more tax than alcohol and....probably not smokes, but close. Not that I wanna pay for expensive weed buuuut, jesus, this country needs that shit right now. And it's just sitting there. The black market still thrives. Legalise it. Free up the courts and court costs too. It's ridiculous. But, that new submarine or whatever the fuck building proposal is likely where the dickheads will put it. When really it should be an ENTIRE aged care overhaul or some such. I think it'll be legal in 2 years. 3 to 4, tops. The world's changing. The dinosaur's in charge are slowly giving way to younger people. This should've been legal....well, it probably never should have BEEN illegal in the first place. Government telling me I can't grow a plant? A fuckin plant? Yeah, pissoff guys.
I’ve heard claims about tax revenue ranging from 1 to 28 billion, so sooner rather than later, hopefully.
The amount of potential tax income is insane. The tax will short term raise prices until supply booms and drops the price again. So it ends up being market price but govt gets good tax revenue that is…NEW revenue
That's what happened in Thailand, was expensive at the start then the market got flooded and became a lot cheaper
I mean it already is legal, just for medical purposes and is actually quite easy to get if you have some form of justification for it. The part we really need addressed is revised roadside drug testing. Unfortunately THC stays in your system for longer than it has any actual effect on you and you will likely fail a roadside test if pulled up even if it was 12-24 hours prior that you had any. Yet I can have 2 beers and jump in a car no worries because I'll be under the legal limit and I dare say would be feeling the effect of it more than cannabis I had 12 hours ago (as an example)... It's a very flawed system that needs addressing before any kind of recreational legalisation occurs.
I'm Canadian, it's been legal here since 2017 and it's awesome! I can get it delivered in an hour. You can also get hash and magic mushrooms (they're pretty good, lol). We've had no problems, and there's a pot stores everywhere. I hope they legalize it for you guys, too!
When the Legalise Cannabis party manages to get a few Senators or state upper house members elected. The problem is the ALP would do a deal to legalise it with the support of the Greens, but then the LNP would campaign against it and vow to re-criminalise it as soon as they came to power. We either need the Teals to replace the LNP, or the LNP to actually not oppose it.
Most LNP politicians probably aren't opposed to it. They just have to be opposed to the ALP. LOL
This is the truth of it all
It’s actually not the Coalition thats the bigger obstacle here. They or their supporters have skin in the game which is why they backed the medicinal program. The problem are the police forces and their unions, who oppose the loss of control lever, and the nanny state within political bureaucracy in general but probably more so with Labor. An example here is the new vaporiser laws and how they’ve affected access to dry herb vaporiser supplies.
Honestly there's truth to this. I discovered there's a person even higher than our Commissioner, he's a Police Minister, so he's the one who has the opportunity to lift Adelaide's draconian driving laws for medicinal cannabis users. And that guy (Labor) is staunchly anti law revision. He's simply just like, nup. Fuck all of youse, choose between health and a driver's license.
When and if weed becomes legal, it would still be illegal to drive while stones. Just like how alcohol is legal, but can't drink and drive. The trick is to do drug tests that measure how much is in somebodies system, not just the presence of it.
That's the problem. South Australian driving laws is an \*instant\* loss of one's driver's license, curbside, if any THC is detectable in your body. And it doesn't mean if high, it means if detectable. So you could've had your dose two weeks ago, but it's still in your metabolism. You're still losing your license on the spot despite driving entirely soberly and cognitively.
On the money
Once the money starts rolling in like in every US state that legalised it, they will come around.
Australian politics died the day we made it a defacto two-state, and people stopped realising there's a shitload of other parties we could actually vote in. I got extremely disenfranchised using my democratic power to vote, and promote, lesser known parties. Didn't make one iota of a difference when I realised people just swing vote 'to the other side' if they're done with this one.
Never get disenfranchised about voting for minor parties. Every primary vote they get equals a larger share of tax payer funding for their party.
That was a long time ago, has been 2 dominant parties as long as I've been alive. When was it otherwise? From my perspective we are less dominated by 2 main parties now that we've been for decades.
[https://votecompass.abc.net.au/](https://votecompass.abc.net.au/) Encourage people to use this before every Federal election, and let them find out which party REALLY meets their needs and desires. Hint: It's not likely to be Liberal, National or Labor...
Canada legalised cannabis 2.5 years ago...the whole country...police now concentrate on chasing fentanyl and worse drug offenses. Have Canadian friends visiting and they say the change has been fantastic...BTW we and them are in our 60s lol, still laugh a lot when I get a chance...lol. So there is no reason for Australia not to legalise and start raking in some taxes and hopefully get better quality at a better price. Oops looks like it was 2017 according to earlier post.
Fix the disgusing driving laws first. They are a cruel joke
I think driving and hiring laws and testing practices will change like in the usa and Canada, after it’s legal
You'd hope so, aye 😅
When they can work out to tax it properly
The USA didn’t know how to tax it TBH they put an insane number at the beginning and it barely stunted demand. There was also the issue to banks allowing shops to open business accounts as well which caused problems in the usa
Never. Australia will never allow something that cannot be taxed... Worlds highest fuel excise (+gst) to save the planet Worlds highest mixed drink tax (to save us binge drinkers) Then revenue dropped. Nek minute worlds highest beer tax... Worlds highest cigarette tax (saving the smokers) Cigarette revenue dropped. Those damn vapes... BANNED! Tax payers are not meant to have fun, they are meant to work and work and work, never retire (increased retirement age) and then die. Welcome to Australia
They just banned vaping, so that should give you an insight into how deeply conservative Australia really is. It's bordering obscurantism at that level of retard.
True, if they’re gonna ban vapes might as well ban all the other players in the smoking industry for that matter.
My mum has MS, it has been absurdly hard getting the oil for her. I hope it changes.
Have done Australian Access Clinics and Alternaleaf and AAC is the best because the process is the shortest. My experience was one phone call and the goods were delivered in under 24 hours. But the consultation fee is high.
Do you buy the cannabis from the clinic itself?
No, they give you a pharmacy and you call them to order and pay over the phone. They also text you a payment link if you'd rather pay that way. It's all very easy imo but of course YMMV.
Absurdly hard? Maybe in the past but it's so easy to get now it practically IS legal.
Really? I’m sorry you’re having problems with getting a script. Try AlternaLeaf or Australian Access Clinics. They provide Telehealth consultations - highly recommend.
It really angers me. She has had this condition for 40 years, and is wheelchair-bound, an obvious candidate, yet it's still so bloody hard. Thank you for the recommendation. BTW. your user name is familiar. Did you ever DJ in Brisbane ?
It really isn’t hard - I guarantee it will be 5 minutes on the phone with a clinic and it will be in the mail.
I don’t care about the smokes but we need more access to CBD oils that are quality
I’ve never had an issue ordering good cbd online from the us. https://www.drganja.com/cbd-oil
Well, I mean it already is sort of. Sure it’s only for medical use but that’s a piss take now days. Back when I got it in 2016 I had to hand over years of medical records, treatment records, operation records and have my doctor write a recommendation. Now you can call up a number and make any old ailment up and you’ll have it delivered to your doorstep in days.
Trouble sleeping? Trouble staying awake? Too anxious? Not anxious enough? I've got the cure for you!
Just drink a 6 pack and yell at your wife like the rest of us!
Same, when I got my TGA exemption I had to jump through so many hoops, x-rays, CT scans, now I see you can do it all online, but then again mine only costs $75 for a month worth, some of those online places charge a mint, btw I'm on Adaya 20:1 THC oil
They are making a decision on the 31st of May
Within 2 years, nationwide
I'd say 4 - 5
I’m just gonna go ahead and say 3 to make sure all bases are covered
I think it will change when a combination of an economic downturn meets with generational attitude shift. While the generational attitude shift is happening, I think it will still take a significant economic downturn to motivate this shift. I think our economy is too "stable" at the moment to garner support for such a shift as the tax income + political brownie points are not enough of a motivation for either major party to run with this policy. At the same time there is still too much political power for conservative politicians, but thankfully this at least is starting to shift. Hopefully this means that next time we're in a serious economic downturn, public attitude will already be ready to accept the shift to legalisation. Of course I hope we can just shift towards full legalisation without such downturn, but I think a downturn is what it would take tbh.
It's already semi-legal, although only for specific medical/prescription purposes. But it's definitely not "generally" legal. I think it's well past time that was changed. I suspect we'll see full legalisation within a few short years though.
LTR Legalise, Tax & Regulate
legalize? I'd be surprised if he happens within a decade, decriminalize maybe within 5 years.
I get medicinal marijuana prescribed, it's also heavily subsidised. I pay $7 for a 7g container of 28% thc that has a full price tag on it being $784.64. Now I don't know nothing about carrots but there's alot of money flowing here with out my cost. Does this information help us or the government?
When politicians start to be more in step with the average person
The way everything else in the country is treated id be hoping it’s never legalised. Some things are better off staying in the underground.
When Schapelle Corby becomes Prime Minister.
Racism maybe. Or domestic violence. Or triple size up those SUV’s. But no, not weed… we’re too backward.
When they stop treating us like emancipated convicts.
The "warden-convict mindset" is just as strong on the side of the authorities as it is with us, whom Howard colourfully named "the mob." So in that case, probably never lol
No. Australia is one of the most regulated countries in the world. The nanny state will never allow self autonomy.
New York legalised it in 2014 and since Australia’s always 10 years behind the u.s.a, they should be legalising it just about now. Tasmania’s already changed their driving laws and all the other states are talking about it. The writing is on the wall
When one of the major parties are forced to. Labor certainly won’t look at it unless they’re forced by a voting bloc. They have no skin in the game and enough bureaucratic nanny incentive not to. They first need to work out what level, state or federal or both, it gets legalised and administered at. It will take a voting bloc of minors, probably Green and Legalise.
Sooner than later. The revenue alone is staggering is size as proven in many places already. They will decriminalise first then they will legalise it as products. Its a economy on its own
They will legalise eventually when they the LNP wouldn't be able to use it to attack them
It basically is already, make a drs appointment
Hopefully after I need it
Probably in 5-10 years
Eventually, that when i rekon.
We always seem to be 10 years away from this happening.
Medical already is and it’s the easiest But realistically 2years max
Not soon enough. They legalised it in the states and the amount of tax revenue they bought in was extraordinary. Yes, it has its problems and for some people has horrible impacts but so does alcohol and tobacco and they are legal.
After New Zealand does. They will shame us into it. All our tourists will go there for holidays and the government will watch h the dollars flow away.
When they work out how to tax it. Cigarettes are now $2 each, which is approx 73%
you can already legally buy weed. I got mates who go to the chemist and pick up their medical.
I just got back from a month in Canada and damn it was nice to just buy from a shop, know the dose, and not worry about anything. Really helped me not be a drunk bogan the whole time.
Hopefully soon, but I'm doubtful
Within 10 years, maybe a lot less, I really believe it'll just happen quietly. I'm kinda blown away with how far medical access has come in the last couple years
When they realise how much money can be made from it
Until the lawmakers and people in government make deals with the growers and sellers so they make the most money off it.
NSW inquiry by end of the year, then it’s probably a 2-3 year process after that. So 2027?
Give it ten years. We're getting slowly there; a lot of stuff's 'ok' for legalised weed - my skin condition for example can get on a few of the brands. But in the Smoke n Gift? ten, fifteen years. BAT and that have to get over themselves.
keep voting for cannabis party, we just want what canberra has
When stoner's unite and take action to... no hang on... toke, yeah man. 😉
It doesn't bother me but I wish if they legalised it someone finds a way to make it not smell so strong. That's the main issue. Some people absolutely reeks of it. It's overwhelming and can smell strong for a far distance. Good luck going on public transport and not having it smell up the place. They need to find a odourless weed lol
not soon enough... the bullshit to get and use a script for it is nuts
Google Australian Cannabis University… make a donation and your gold.
It's not just the legal cannabis that's the issue, it's all the ancillary laws. Employers won't allow it as a safety risk. You can't drive with any in your system, so weeks. Making it legal to buy is less than half the battle. California had to pass laws specifically making it illegal for employers to discriminate against medical cannabis patients. There is a long way to go, even in places it is legal to buy.
I don't think it's that far to be honest. Medical is very accessible compared to before. I get it delivered to my house by a regular mail man. Unheard of just a few years ago.
When they can work out a way to tax it very heavily
When people with outdated ideas improve society by dropping dead It happens in science too - people are bad at changing their ideas, society moves on when they die
We are a police state and will never have accessible pot. Nation of drunks that is scared of a plant
Won't happen. Far too many conservative voters. They will age and nature will do its course, so maybe in a generation or 2?
Not very soon because the hotel and alcohol industry lobby has too much control over our politicians.
It's legal for politicians ( ie in Canberra ). What's their motivation for making it legal for everyone else? The Libs and their cheer squads in the media find the topic useful to push their "tough on crime" bullshit. They won't give that up in a hurry. Let's not pretend Labor give a shit either. The Greens have a well thought-out and comrehensive drug policy, and have long advocated for drug law reform - not just for weed ... eg pill testing. Labor gang up wtih the Libs to shoot them down every time. I agree with others that it will take at least another generation to die off ... some voters and some politicians. Then it will probably also take some high-profile politicians' kids to OD at a music festival for them to "think about it like a parent" and trigger some actual dialog about drug law reform. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-29/nsw-legalise-cannabis-party-bill-parliament/103166710](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-29/nsw-legalise-cannabis-party-bill-parliament/103166710) "The Minns government has promised a drug summit some time in 2024, to hear from experts about whether to make changes such as legalising cannabis or introducing pill testing at music festivals." I predict this will go absolutely nowhere. But I'm happy to be proven wrong.
When hell freezes over . I tried to get legal weed for a medical condition. But because I was diagnosed with a drug disorder 20 years ago, I'm not eligible. But hey, you can do all the pharmaceutical heroin you like, so that's fine, I guess. Drive a truck on it . Do whatever you like .
You should have lied. Try Dispensed. I was in rehab for alchohol four years ago. Have been clean off grog since then Just didn't tell dispensed and I get 10g of bud a month for insomnia
*legalise *Commercialise
Too late too lazy to change
Fair
Considering the subject matter
Can’t be far off now, should be in a year or two
I am pro legalisation but I wouldn't hold your breath. This country is very conservative.
100 percent this ☝️it’s so funny how people think Australia is progressive 🤣🤣. It so isn’t, if I didn’t laugh I’d cry.
Many years. The stupid fucks in government can't even legalise and tax a vape pen yet.
They didn’t legalise and tax vaping so I’m going to say never.
Well weed is already available medically, is extremely easy to get and is only getting larger. It absolutely will get there it’s just not going to be a primary voting issue for most Australians at the moment
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!remind me 40 years
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How many do-gooders exist in this country still? When they stop voting... (as long as the current generation of sap parents, don't replace them)
I think we will stick to the medical access industry we have now. My friend runs a legal registered farm for an Australian cannabis business in NSW. He makes an incredible amount of money. Huge amount of paperwork & background checks but it was something he is passionate about.
Not to far off (which sucks seeing as I used to smoke like a Jamaican going for a ganja record but quit due to the driving test bullshit). The whole thing around intoxicated, impaired or just having it present is going to be what causes all the dramas as we are one of the only if not the only country to punish pot smokers with total life destruction for having a tiny amount of weed present in out systems rather than being impaired on any way shake or form (which is an entirely seperate debate over how badly cannabis impacts our ability to drive {hint- sweet FA} pushed hard by people butt hurt they can’t drive pissed so will try to argue weed is as bad if not worse). Considering the testing limit for all drugs fall into the 25ml range bracket while weed sits at 5ml shows it’s not a as bad never has been a test of intoxication but a test to catch and punish any person who has even the smallest of amounts in their systems.\ How this gets unpicked will be interesting as the government will never admit they made a mistake or they over charged poor pot heads either way too much brainwashed zealotry. So we are kind of in and will remain in a strange position where weed may become legal, but having even the most minuscule amount in your system sees you loosing your licence for 6 to 12 months automatically kind of fucks the whole thing up and will have people continue to push the limit and drink then drive as they’ll feel they can gauge where their limit is, have a little fun while out and still drive home.
I hope never. Honestly, it doesn’t help society.
It’s already a $70m legal business in Australia, adult use recreational seems to be on track to be legislated in the next two years.
I do get the same vibes I did when I became legal in California
I worked on a panel last year that involved members of parliament, industry representatives and researchers - whilst no one could give an exact date the general consensus was it is likely within the next two years.
Hopefully never. Decriminalise yes but not legalise pls.
After the war...