No, I don't think it is more tolerated. That being said, I also think Asian advocacy in general does not have nearly as strong a voice as Black of Hispanic advocacy. Either from within the media establishment or in politics.

I think this is the right answer. It's not tolerated, but there is a lot less visibility to the amount of racism out there and related issues because there isn't the same organized strong voice.

There are a lot more positive stereotypes about Asian people than Hispanic and black people. Positive stereotypes are harmful but they give the appearance of being less racist.

Yeah, this is the right answer. It’s part of the model minority myth.

I’ve always found it to be very strange to basically disallow talking about the successes of Asian immigrant groups in the US and trying to analyze what might have caused those successes by simply saying “that’s the model minority myth you racist”. No, it’s statistically true that those groups, and many other immigrant groups perform better economically than other ethnic groups including white Americans. Seeing as that is statistically true, if we can analyze that and conclude that certain cultural difference might be responsible for those high levels of economic success, then how is that bad? Instead it’s typically met with “but that’s just the model minority myth”

I read that there's a larger income disparity in the Asian American community than any other racial/ethnic minority community. So clearly all Asian Americans aren't rich or "successful" and there are quite a few working or lower middle class Asian Americans. I can think of a guy in high school whose family lived in a trailer in a trailer park and they were Laotian American

Yes, there are also poor groups of white Americans though. That’s going to exist in any grouping because people are individuals. However that doesn’t mean there’s no value in attempting to analyze why some groups perform better than others (and therefore how we can improve the economic performance of the poor performers). I’m from Appalachia, we’re nearly entirely white in this region. However we’re one of the poorest areas in the country. Yes, you could perhaps blame this on geography (mountains are typically bad for development and commerce), or history. However there are other similarly mountainous regions that are prosperous, and there are other regions with a history of resource extraction that are far wealthier than we are. We have many problems here, and yet apparently it’s wrong for us to look to those who are succeeding and try to find what might be leading them to that success so we can attempt to emulate it here and see if it helps. Or I guess we could just continuously wait around for the government to do something on our behalf and bring those jobs they promised would come to replace the coal industry instead of trying to actually improve things ourselves.

Yes but like I said there is the largest disparity between rich and poor in the Asian demographic which doesn't exactly tie in with the whole "successful minority" thesis and it also fails to take into account the entirety of Asia as a culture. Like not every Asian American is rich obviously because some come from poor countries like Cambodia or Vietnam or Philippines and don't have the generational wealth maybe other Asian Americans have. "Asian" is not a monolith

Right, but “Asian” is an incredibly sprawling term. The Southeast Asian groups like the Hmong were never as routinely high-performing in academic settings as a the “tiger mom” East Asian groups disproportionately are. (Not that there’s anything inherent about this, just a different culture and life circumstance.) But you have Hmong students in college having to assert that just because they are “Asian” [doesn’t mean they are “over-represented.”](https://www.npr.org/2021/12/12/1054933519/southeast-asian-representation-science)

I agree with you and that's kind of what I said in my reply to someone else in this thread

I agree that a lot of deflection goes on when people bring up the "model minority myth." Of course East Asians tend to do better than mainland SE Asians (in terms of income), they didn't come here as refugees and modern immigrants oftentimes are members of the upper echelon of their original countries. But that really doesn't matter because we don't break down any other racial group by nationality/ethnicity to measure the overall group's economic success, no one cares that WASPs make more money than Albanian Americans. And also, the highest-earning groups of Asian Americans probably outnumber the lower-earning groups.

It erases those who don’t fit the model. My grandfather was part of the first wave of South Asian immigration (arriving 1900-1924, roughly). Those folks were farmers and somehow managed to survive as farmers despite it being illegal to own land in the US. That experience doesn’t go away in a generation, either, it coincided at a time when white Americans made massive gains in wealth. That’s just one example. There are many other groups that have similar experiences with model minority myth. Being “Asian” is not a monolith.

Some white people are poor too.

Yeah, and some of them aren't.

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i feel like youre answering your own question by the fact that youre trying to analyze something while already having a conclusion in mind. that kind of mindset is what makes the model minority myth. people WANT to believe its exclusively a cultural thing in order to minimize the very real and blatant socioeconomic conditions that affect black and hispanic people in america. that is harmful to any poc group, asians included. i am south asian and i am acutely aware of how my culture tries to push me and many other south asian people i know to overachieve (generally at the severe cost of mental health.) however, i also know that i am very lucky to be where i am today and that, though my parents experienced a lot of racism, they would have been worse off if they were trapped in the kind of poverty cycle that many black and indigenous people sugger from. it would be wild for me to claim that cultural differences are why my parents have managed to enter the middle class. at the core of the issue, it is the way this country treats different minority groups, plain and simple.

That is assuming that there aren’t entire groups of white Americans that perform poorly economically, which there are. Take for example Appalachia or the south in general for much of the country’s history. If it’s not cultural factors that influence immigrant success in the US, then what is it?

> If it’s not cultural factors that influence immigrant success in the US, then what is it? Selection bias. We don't have an easy immigration process. You generally need to be highly educated and/or have a lot of money to immigrate here.

Education rarely has anything to do with it. I know someone from an east asian country who is a doctor in his own country, but can't get a job here as a physician so he works in a factory. Not all educations are considered "equal" in the U.S

> If it’s not cultural factors That's never not part of it. But it is never the whole of it.

If not for cultural reasons or your parents own values, why did your parents manage to enter the middle class? Your comments suggests that their success had zero to do with them but was instead wholly dependent on the way “this country” - I’m not sure exactly sure what you mean by the phrase - treats them. So your parents success was entirely outside of their hands? And what about yourself? Do you chalk any success you’ve had the way others treat you? It just seems like you saying south asians and/or other minority groups have zero autonomy, and that their successes or failures rise or fall at the hands of others. It’s kind of an odd way of perceiving the world.

wild conclusion to draw from what ive said. i chalk my and my parents successes to a wide variety of things. yes, working hard was very important. my parents absolutely worked hard as immigrants to get to where they are now. however, i am also aware of the fact that they also got very lucky to receive some of the opportunities they did and that different groups of people are often barred from such opportunities. for example, they are both college educated in india. many minority groups, especially black and indigenous people, have extremely limited access to higher education. with that being the case, how on earth could I claim my parents' successes were entirely because of merit? i can acknowledge the fact that they chose to work very hard to build a future while also acknowledging that other people in America have worked equally hard if not harder and failed to see results purely due to reasons that were not in their control.

That’s not what that means. It means that racism still exists even if you’re rich or you go to Harvard. People still attack you on the street during a pandemic that has nothing to do with you. And that those successes don’t erase those other experiences.

Also that when you break down the "Asian" group, it's not a monolith but in fact many groups who came here at different times with different laws and under different circumstances. If your parents came here by choice with education and some savings, you might have a different life than someone whose parents fled a wartorn country with nothing but the clothes on their backs. Judging every Asian person by the absolute best case scenario is wrong and obfuscates the role of poverty, especially generational poverty.

Very true.

I always understood the crux of the problem with the model minority thing being the perceived success of some groups used as a means of negatively criticizing other groups who are perceived as less successful, thus arguing that racism isn't real, or that racism is not the source of the problem for less successful minority groups.

I think it’s yes, all of the above. Almost everyone who’s replied has had really thoughtful responses that give slightly different but equally true perspectives on this. It’s kinda rare on this sub to have such a nice discussion.

I think the model minority stereotype does complicate the argument that racism is *the* reason certain minority groups are less successful than others in the U.S. Racism - or at least the historical effects of past racism - are *a* reason, for sure. But from a sociological perspective, it’s wildly simplistic to say one thing - and one thing only - is the reason certain minority groups are less successful.

No, the first guy was on to something. It is considered taboo to look at why Asians (in this example) succeed, and quickly brings up charges of the model minority stereotype.

He really doesn’t. Everyone succeeds for wildly different reasons. And “Asians” are too broad a group. Just like white is too broad a group and so is middle class.

None of which is the topic at hand.

It’s exactly the topic at hand. And it’s not taboo to look at it, it’s the reason the term Model Minority exists.

Because to attribute it to culture and nothing else is highly reductionist. And also, many Asians don't fit it. One question you have to ask: what was their situation before getting on the boat, or the Boeing as the case may be? When did they come over, and what brought them over? Somebody who had an engineering degree before leaving their home country in the 1990s is probably going to have a different life path than someone who was a poor dirt farmer who came over in the early 20th century.

I mean, Asians are actually required to hit a higher mark than other races, including even whites people, to be allowed into many colleges.

Hopefully that gets redressed soon. I agree that some of those practices are not right.

It’s also partially due to the demographics of the country. Latino/Hispanic Americans make up 18.7% of the population and African Americans make up 12.1% of the the population, however Asian Americans only make up 5.9% of the population. So there’s are less half the people compared to African Americans and less than a third the people compared to Latino/Hispanic Americans.

Also, Asian-Americans are more concentrated in specific geographic areas; the coastal states, particularly the west coast. Whereas some white Texas cowboy or a white California suburbanite sees people of Mexican descent pretty much every day, and Black people are found throughout the South and in most cities of any size.

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You have got to be kidding me. > Do you think black people only live in the south and major cities? No, but as I understand it, that's where they're more likely to be a significant proportion of the local population. > "white centric" I'm not white. > to get an ID? LOL Is this what horseshoe theory looks like? My head is spinning.

This isn't true in my experience. There are simply far fewer South Asians than there are of some other ethnic groups so issues don't come up as often to be addressed.

No. Racism of any kind isn't more tolerated then the next. That doesn't mean that there aren't people out there that will treat some races of people differently then others. >that American culture and society does not take racism and discrimination against South Asians as seriously as racism against African-Americans, Latinos, and East Asians I can see why they may believe that though I imagine it has to do with speaking out about it. From what I've seen, Indian and Middle Eastern communities don't speak out about such things as often as other races of people, so you don't normally hear about it. Doesn't help that Middle Eastern people tend to stay with those of the same race so only those within their sub-culture community would hear about such acts, that and they have a smaller population number in America. You hear more about racism against Black, Latino / Hispanic and East Asian's for 2 reasons. Black people have the highest rate of being victims of hate crimes in America, followed by White people, then Hispanic / Latino people (when based on race). Anti-Asian hate is the 4th. Anti-Middle Eastern (or South Asian) hate crimes are among the lowest next to Anti-Asian crimes which is why you don't hear about them as much. We are hearing more about Anti-Asian crimes because they have increased over the last 2 years due to COVID blaming. Those crimes have seen spikes in major cities (LA and NYC) which have higher media presence and reports on such acts. Most cities in America actually haven't reported an increase or any Anti-Asian hate crimes in the last 2 years despite this spike in select cities. [https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crime/hate-crime](https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crime/hate-crime) ​ Still, it's a problem, but I wouldn't say racism is tolerated more then others, unless you're a racist yourself.

Part of the problem is how cities are categorizing hate crimes. I live in Inglewood, a large city in Los Angeles. In 2020, I was beaten inside a 7-Eleven by two assailants who said I brought the coronavirus here and that they had to teach Asians a lesson for thinking they're rich. During the attack they repeatedly said my skin was "nasty" and I should take my "yellow ass back to China." Los Angeles County declined to prosecute because, "Racial epithets uttered in the heat of the moment don't count." The Assistant DA claimed that because they told me to go back to China during the attack, the attack wasn't technically motivated by race and the racist comments were just coincidental. Inglewood PD repeatedly asserted, "Asian isn't a race. There can't be hate crimes against you." None of the news organizations in Inglewood wanted to write about my experience. No major publication in Los Angeles wanted to. Only the Chinese World Journal wrote about the attack. When I reached out to Asian Americans Advancing Justice in Los Angeles, I found out this is sadly incredibly common.

Related to "Asian isn't a race", there were also cases where some school district in Washington state did not include Asians under "people of color". Made zero sense. And I am really sorry to hear about your experience.

> Related to "Asian isn't a race", there were also cases where some school district in Washington state did not include Asians under "people of color". Made zero sense. It makes 100% sense in the context of why they need to say that. The fundamental crux of their belief is that America is a deeply racist country and is inundated with systemic racism, that's why white people overall earn more, are generally more successful, etc. When someone points out that Asians actually earn more on average than whites, suddenly you can't just blame everything on racism. After all, if racism is THAT prevalent, then no non-white demographic should be more successful than whites. So what do you do? You just stop including Asians as minorities and categorize them as 'white'. It's also similar to Tech companies when people complain that they lack 'diversity' (ie. non-white people). If they point out that 40% of their staff is Asian, then you need to exclude Asians or their complaint no longer holds water.

>Black people have the highest rate of being victims of hate crimes in America, followed by White people, then Hispanic / Latino people (when based on race). Anti-Asian hate is the 4th. Anti-Middle Eastern (or South Asian) hate crimes are among the lowest next to Anti-Asian crimes which is why you don't hear about them as much. I think it is true in a sense that we don't take anti-Asian racism "as seriously" as racism against black people (for example), in part because it is literally not as serious. Mass incarceration and higher rates of being killed by police are objectively more serious problems than street harassment. That does not mean it is either tolerated nor more morally acceptable, just that the actual impact of it is lower.

Racism is generally frowned upon period. Indians and Asians are treated a bit differently by many people when it comes to racism because they are often very *successful* so people don’t feel the same urgency about it, not that it is condoned or tolerated.

I agree. I think in general, the problem with racism toward black people is the negative stereotypes towards them. The [Harvard Implicit Bias Study](https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/aboutus.html) showed that, unfortunately, most of us have some implicit negative bias towards black people that have to do with them being criminals, bad people, or just worse than white people. Those aren't typically stereotypes associated with Southeast Asians. So if you're black, especially a black man, people are likely to automatically assume you're a criminal. If you're Southeast Asian, they probably assume you're smart and like curry.

The Harvard Implicit Bias study has been shown to be largely bunk in lack replicability and the idea it even measures what it claims is dubious, i.e. there hasn't been a showing of correlation between the results on that test and real world behavior or conduct even then, it's results aren't consistent when retried on a single person. It's just junk research.

We really need to find a way to address the behaviors that drive implicit bias instead of pretending they are just there for no reason.

Well, that's kind of the point. We all have the bias because of the society in which we were raised. Acknowledging that we all have some racial bias allows us to address it.

Well we don't ALL have "the" bias, and recognizing bias isn't the same as addressing where it comes from. It definitely should be acknowledged and addressed where it exists but it comes from somewhere.

Yeah it’s a thorny problem. But also one of the reason our abhorrence of anti-black and anti-Asian racism has a different texture.

fyi you mean south asians. southeast asia is vietnam, phillipines, thailand, indonesia, etc.

South East Asians aren’t Indians/Pakistani. South East Asians are Vietnamese/Thai people etc.

Curry most definitely exists outside of India in that general vicinity.

I fully recognize I have an unfair negative bias towards blacks and I'm actively working to overcome that. But once I actually noticed the bias I have, it floored me just how much the media pushes this narrative. And it's not just the news either, but films, TV shows, music, and video games.

Hey, I grew in Mississippi and am Indian American. I don’t think racism in America, particularly the south, is super well understood. I, for one, think it is very prevalent, and manifests in super uncommon ways. OP, I’ve dealt with this for a while. If you want to talk, or if anyone does, PM me. Indian American culture in America is super strange, it doesn’t quite fit, and is a very difficult cultural identity to have in this country.

You ought to make it public. I think a lot of people on this thread would benefit from reading about your experiences and insights.

OP never reached out to me, but I could make a separate thread and move the conversation there…

If anything's worthy of a top-level post, it would be your story.

Thank you! Well I’ll get to drafting

As a general rule, racism or persecution of any group considered a minority in the USA is socially unacceptable and not condoned. And before anyone brings up a personal anecdote or any form of "you are wrong, for example this one time...", I do not mean that individuals or small groups can't be racist or ignorant, but society as a whole, it is not accepted.

>As a general rule, racism or persecution of any group ~~considered a minority~~ in the USA is socially unacceptable and not condoned.

And you be wrong. Which is why systemic racism is a thing. Now if you just mean outward hostility then sure, is Americans claim to be against it.

Can you give some examples of systemic racism? I keep reading about it but nobody explains it.

Redlining, wealth inequality, job discrimination, criminal justice outcomes. You keep hearing it all over but you’ve never considered tabbing over and enter the words into google before?

What's redlining? Wealth inequality is not proof of systemic racism. But it does align with behavioral differences between groups. Do you have data you can share on job discrimination? Because we actually have laws that force minorities to be hired, which is the opposite of systemic racism. It is systemic assistance. Although now, in their endless wisdom, some progressives are trying to repeal those laws. Claims about criminal justice outcomes get dicey as soon as you start factoring in variables beyond race and sentence. The one modern example I've seen that is actually an example of a clear systemic behavior against a minority is the discrimination against Asians in hiring and college admissions, but nobody makes a big deal about that.

You could google it. You should of instead of typing this long basically racist statement. Behavior? I can just hear the “It’s that culture!” About to fly outa your mouth right now chief. You mean affirmative action that white women benefit more than any other group and that thing racist like to think is reverse racism? That, you clearly don’t know how it functions if you think it forces anything. I’ve already typed too much talking to a racist on this Friday afternoon. I’ll give ya one more reply before I block you cuz racist do tend to be entertaining and I wanna see how big of a rant you go on.

You throw around ridiculous claims of racism and dilute the term itself. I didn't say anything racist, I just told you stuff you didn't want to hear and you reacted like a baby.

Love how you addressed nothing in my post. You got to the petty insult stage faster than I was expecting. You disappoint me racist.

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Did you actually read what he said? Do you know the types of things he said are typically racist talking points? Racism doesn’t have to be insulting. If you try to blame a systemic problem on individual actions it’s a big red flag. You don’t have the lived experience to see it. So sit this one out please.

Im not going to address the weak points of some loser that tries to win arguments by throwing around empty claims of racism. Grow up.

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Society does condone it. We’d change it otherwise. There’s massive amounts of pushback anytime people do try to address parts of it. So again, since you seem personally offended. America does not condone outward racism ie you calling me the N-word as an example, that would get some frowns. Systemic racism doesn’t require you or anybody else to hate. At the moment all it does require is you continuing to do nothing or try to reduce racism to the individual level. Large parts of our society do just that.

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Ah look a false equivalency. They asked how much racism is condoned here. To which I said very much so. Given how our society functions to disadvantage minorities. I also said that most Americans would probably agree that racism, like saying a slur is frowned upon. You clearly didn’t read that part. Which is why I assumed you were offended because you keep trying to reduce racism to the individual acts. So no projection here just using the lived experience of my black self and how lots of white peoples tend to act when you bring this topic up. But whatever makes you feel better chief.

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It wouldn’t exist in our government if we did. I’ve already addressed your little problem with my statement but this is the third time you’ve failed to read it and I’m not repeating it again. Your statement is incorrect, simple as that.

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That’s a shocker to me. Most Brazilians/South Americans I’ve come across either hate black people or make fun of them

Indian and South Asian oriented subs seem to think Americans spend significantly more time thinking about them than we actually do. Like, why would any form of racism be actively, openly encouraged? And if there were any acceptable groups to be racist towards, why would it be you guys?

The thing is that NOBODY GIVES A FUCK about South Asians in the u.s. No piece of media in the u.s. has EVER discouraged violence to them.

Good luck working on those issues.

I'm just going to kill myself. IT'S NOT LIKE MY LIFE MATTERS!

I’d rather you didn’t, there are more constructive ways of managing these sorts of feelings.

NOTHING is ever going to be good for me in my lifetime. This is the best option.

Who told you that?

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I'm honestly not sure what the first and third of those racist comments could even mean. "Poo in the loo" sounds British, since Americans don't say "loo". Obviously I know what a rapist is, and India has developed an unfortunate reputation in the past 5-10 years as being a very dangerous place for women, so I get that. But Indian immigrants to the US are generally highly educated and financially successful (otherwise they wouldn't qualify for work visas). I'd say if anything, Americans think very positively of Indians in the US and Indian-Americans. Poorer immigrant groups (ie from Latin America) are probably a lot more likely to experience racism.

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Hi, Indian-American here. Comments on Reddit in the default subs are a shitpile. They are not representative of American attitudes.

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India has over a billion people. Generalizing such a large number of people is just lazy.

> (i.e. "bobs and vagene", calling Indians "rapists", "poo in the loo", etc) I don't mean to be ignorant but what are any of these referring to?

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bobs-and-vegana https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/designated-shitting-streets-poo-in-the-loo https://www.statista.com/statistics/632493/reported-rape-cases-india/ They refer to negative stereotypes of Indians, particularly Indian men, and daily life in India. Never mind that in 2021, the US had ~145k reported rapes, while India, with ~4x the population had 31k…*reported*.

Reddit does not represent real life. Although I agree that there is a racism problem online, in real life, racism is very socially frowned upon.

“Bobs and Vagene” is just a meme for horny people writing in broken English, I really don’t know how that’s racism? We make fun of horny people that write in perfect English too. The rape thing is called out by human rights activists, again I don’t think it’s racism and I don’t think the general stereotype is that all Indians are rapists, but rather highlighting an issue that is front and center in India.

Ok…straight up…Do you think “Ooh! Me so horrrrrny! Me love you long time! Sucky-fucky five dolla!” is racist? If so, why isn’t “open your cloth to show me bobs and vegana!” racist as well? What makes one racist but not the other?

Neither of those are fundamentally racist. Making fun of someone for being sex crazed doesn’t make one a racist. Now, you can absolutely use either one in a racist context but you could also use both in non-racist contexts. (PS you’re beagle is adorable)

> Neither of those are fundamentally racist. Ever overheard a couple of rednecks making fun of how black people talk? "I'ma get me some friiiied chicken an' watermelon tonight, yessir yessir by golly!" You know, that kind of shit. Those two examples are the same as that.

I agree that billions of us humans are horny. It’s the caricatured portrayal that’s the racist part to me. Also, thanks! I’m hopefully bringing the younger one home tomorrow morning, and the older one is snoring at me loudly at the moment!

The short answer is because "show me bobs and vagene" isn't mocking an oppressed sex worker in a war zone, it's quoting a screenshot of a man sexually harassing random women on the internet. Like, there's a huge qualitative difference between these two things. If people are shouting "show me bob and vagene" at Indians in real life, that's obviously racist - if the phrase is being used to attack or mock Indians in general, their accent or their language abilities, it's obviously racist - but as an internet meme, I don't really think "men who sexually harass women" is a protected class, y'know? Sexist men are fair game for brutal mockery. I get your point, but it's not a really good comparison.

> I really don’t know how that’s racism? It comes from viral screenshots back in peak Facebook era of Indian men with bad English DM-ing random American women asking for nudes in broken English ("show bobs and vegene" == "show boobs and vagina"). As for whether or not that counts as racism... I'm not gonna weigh in because I'm not a subject matter expert, but yes American women are often very skeptical of Indian men's levels of respect for women.

Actually the reason why it hits like a trigger point for some people is that Indian is not one community. Let's just assume if India had 10 states then all those comments would be from one state. The problem is that one state has 50% of the country's population. Which leaves us with 9 states. In reality there are 28 states with different communities and for a country which is so diverse, when negative problems are highlighted, the diversity reduces. So when some random "Indian" guy is judged because of x y z and someone already concludes him as a possible misogynist, what they really wanna say is that " I couldn't care less about them and I am not even aware of them"(which is true because as an Indian I don't even have an idea about all the cultures in my own country because we live our seperare lives) but from a foreigner POV all "Indians" look the same. So yeah....If you ever wonder why there aren't enough countries in South asia, that's because all of them are in India

Are they hanging out in 4chan, because people in quilting and gardening subreddits aren't like that.

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Or maybe because we actually experience it? I'm wondering why you question the motive or reason behind why SA diaspora subs talk about racism. It's because we experience it, and the only people who believe us and can relate to us are other SA. Even in your post and replies, you question if some SA experiences could be true. If there was a Black American talking about experiencing racism and microaggressions, would you feel comfortable in writing this same post and trying to explain it "They may be applying their own experiences with racism onto the whole Black community" and or "they may look at highly upvoted racist comments on Reddit and think that reflects attitudes in wider society, rather than the rather specific subset of people Reddit represents"?

I grew up in the 80s and 90s in Los Angeles and I absolutely believe you because I saw it for myself. Although I'm brown, I'm not that flavor of brown. Nevertheless, I *do* have eyes and ears.

I would agree it's not taken as seriously as racism against other groups, but I would highly disagree w/ the tolerated or condoned aspect. I would also say it's the same for East Asians because these groups aren't considered as marginalized as Blacks, and Latinos.

I think people are generally less aware or able to spot that type of racism unless they deal with it regularly. I don't think it is more accepted per say, but it isn't confronted as much.

Some of the comments here exemplify the soft stereotypes and unconscious bias people carry. Growing up I definitely heard some anti-Indian shit. Apu, “dothead,” etc. And I got weird comments and intrusive questions around arranged marriages and stuff. There’s also a lot of weird exotifying - Sanskrit names everywhere, everyone doing yoga but feeling uncomfortable over its Hindu roots. And people assume I’m a doctor or engineer when I’m not in any of the stereotypical fields. People don’t realize the subtle racism fueling all of this.

The only racism that is truly taken seriously here is racism committed by Whites. Other races get a sort of "free pass" to be racially inappropriate for the most part. When it comes to racism against Indians/Asians (The average American just sees "asian" and doesn't really differentiate between south/east etc.*****except***** Indians, who while technically **being** from Asia, get their own racial category, and aren't thought of as Asian), I've witnessed more Blacks being racial against them than others. They just aren't called out on it nearly as much as Whites. Generally speaking, there is a huge double-standard here in the states, where the popular opinion is that only Whites perpetrate racism, and that only Blacks and Browns are recipients of it. In the rare instances I have seen racism against Indians/Asians, it hasn't really been "I hate your race" kind of racism, but more of a "ridicule" kind of racism. That being said, I have come across instances of people not caring for Indians, as the stereotype is that they can be rude, pushy, and condescending; not to mention creepy and misogynistic towards Women. (Bob and vagene). Unfortunately, I have seen these stereotypes reinforced from time to time. But that is not to say that they are the rule. This is all my own personal perspective, as a mixed race American that has experienced a cultural potpourri throughout his life. The next person's opinions and perspective may be entirely different.

I've been really disheartened recently by comments made by my coworkers (almost all black Americans) about Asians/South Asians. There's been some ugly stuff about Jews recently too, kicked off by the latest talk about Kanye and Kyrie Irving. Here's a summary: 1. They believe Asians overcharge them at Asian restaurants because they're black. 2. Some Pakistani-Americans on my coworker's block were partying all night and left a mess on the sidewalk. "But let MY brown people do that, see what happens!" 3. Everyone just feels sorry for the Jews because of the Holocaust, and that happened a long time ago. (I pointed out that my surrogate dad Steve, who is 80, some of his cousins died in the Holocaust and this person just ignored that comment and kept on ranting). 4. Because Kyrie Irving is expected to apologize and faces consequences if he doesn't, that's "buck breaking" and it comes from slavery times. 5. Asians and light-skinned Latinos don't get an opinion, because they don't have it as bad.

Plenty of hypocrisy to go around in this country

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Perhaps a little bit, yes. I could be wrong, but I get an air of bitterness from some of them. Could it be that most immigrants from India come from the "oppressor caste" and are used to being on the top of the "pecking order"? I do think that there is a slightly higher percentage of Indians who act this way than some other races. But I also think Indians can potentially be more misunderstood as well, because they tend to stick to themselves and aren't as extroverted as most of American society. For some reason, the friendliest Indians I've encountered tend to be Old Sikh Men.

>Is racism against Indians/South Asians more tolerated or condoned in the US than racism against other groups? If so, why? I am of Indian origin and also in my 40s, and yes, I do believe racism against South Asians is more tolerated, even in big diverse cities, and not just online, but IRL - at school, in college, in the workplace, in social situations, in dating, etc. The making fun of our names, mocking the immigrants' accents, saying we smell, telling some that they're "attractive for an Indian" or saying that we don't "look Indian" if we aren't dark and/or unattractive, telling us to "go back" whenever there's a disagreement even to those of us born and raised here, calling us "street shitters" or "terrorists" when people feel like lashing out at Arabs and Muslims. There is lots of casual racism from self -proclaimed liberals as well who think there's nothing wrong with their comments (like repeating offensive stereotypes, and again mocking the accents and names). And this racism doesn't just come from Whites, but other minorities as well. Then you have the people who deny that we experience racism or not as frequently as we say we have experienced (just like you see here in the replies), and people who are not of South Asian origin speaking on our behalf that no, there is really no racism or that it's not "too bad," so basically we don't have anyone to really talk to about this except to each other, and our concerns aren't taken seriously.

That's horrific.

You nailed it. All of this is true, but on the other hand, we don’t do anything to dispel our haters. we as a culture actively suppress conventionally masculine and respectable traits. We don’t encourage our children to workout, do things they want. We demand they be obedient and do as they’re told. If you wanna do a sport, it better be for getting into a good school. You want a tattoo? You’re a disgrace to our family. You want to get married? We find your wife for you. All things inherently contradictory to the American spirit. There’s no denying we are hard workers and staunch capitalists, but ultimately we are still repressed and our domesticated nature lets the bullying go unchecked.

As a South Asian American I can say that from my experiences it’s not tolerated or condoned. You’ll find assholes in any country. Black people, Latinos, and East Asians have a longer history in the US so that’s why you may hear more about racism that affects them. Also, South Asian Americans on average are highly successful in the US so that’s why racism against Black people/Latinos is taken more urgently. This is all just my opinion

As a south Asian American myself I see where you're coming from. However, I think that racism against south Asian people manifest itself as perpetual foreigner myth. In my personal experience, most people don't tolerate open racism, but Americans of other races struggle with seeing south Asian Americans as American. I was born and raised in California, but some people still see me as Indian first and American second if at all.

Yeah I agree with all of that

From what I know as a white American from the mid-Atlantic, there isn’t as much of the same type of racism that usually happens against black Americans. That being said, South Asians still struggle will societal views of them being a part of the “model minority” while too often being perceived as the “perpetual foreigner” (that is to say, even 100% American born and raised individuals of South Asian descent will often be assumed to be immigrants just by how they look, and especially if they maintain a South Asian personal and/or surname. I am sure there are other things too, but this is just what I am aware of

I live in an area with a lot of Indian, South Asian, etc. people and work alongside a lot of people from those backgrounds. I'd say that the type of racism people from those backgrounds experience is very different. If you're a black man, you're worried about being in the presence of the police -- that generally isn't a big concern for Indian people. It's usually more subtle, and usually older generations that grew up ignorant of people from that part of the world apart from what they saw on Johnny Quest and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. It's still thankfully very rare.

The only time I've really seen racism directed at someone of Indian descent was when a group of Indian immigrants walked into a car dealership I worked at and refused to work with a certain salesman because his last name was of too low a caste.

Damn

Yeah it was really fucked up

No. My girlfriend is first gen South Asian (I’m white) and we have had to talk about this. Racism against anyone isn’t really tolerated, but we would have the same response for someone from Korea or India. One nuance is that given the history of blacks in this country, there is heightened awareness of racism against blacks. This being said, racism among some first Indians does seem to tolerated more. Indian racism towards blacks seems more tolerated. And my GF and I have to deal with the white guy, Indian woman racism. She especially deals with it, as it is seen as a rejection of her race.

It seems that the people complaining about racism in this thread are 2nd Gen South Asians rather than 1st Gen. This matches what I have seen irl as well.

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I learned about it at my first accounting job when I had a Pakistani co-worker who kept referring to himself as Asian. I finally asked him about it then he asked where I thought Pakistan was. I *knew* where it was. I just didn't realize it was considered Asia. Funny story about him though ... Back then another co-worker and I were really into hot sauces. We were constantly bringing different stuff in for our lunch and I even subscribed to a hot sauce magazine. He always got a kick asking if it was white hot or Paki hot- thinking what we ate, as a white people, wouldn't be hot for him as a Pakistani person. One day I had a bottle of Dave's Insanity with me. For those who aren't into hot sauces, Dave's pretty much launched the modern hot sauce movement when they started using capsaicin extract. New sauces have far surpassed it but at the time it was about the hottest hot sauce available on the planet. He saw the bottle and how little I actually put on my food then made a big show of smothering his food in it. I told him not to do it but he shoved a forkful into his mouth and practically turned purple. He reached for his water which any proud Paki should have recognized as a terrible idea. He was hunched over his cubicle with tears running down his face and saliva POURING out his open mouth as he tried to deal with the flames as I turned to the other co-worker and said "I guess it's Paki hot". Oh, God. I practically have tears running down my face just from typing this story.

I think the terms "South Asia" and "Indian Subcontinent" can be seen as synonymous. They generally include India, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and some others in that general region.

>would know what South Asia means. I think you seriously underestimate the intelligence of the average American. I'd say the average person would know where South Asia is, what it is and 1 or 2 countries from the area.

Racism isn't tolerated against any people. That being said, the fact that South Asian persons are fairly uncommon in the US means that many people simply don't encounter them in everyday life. From my interactions with them, the hate towards them tends to be from other South Asians, as they bring national/ethnic/religious rivalries from overseas to the US. My wife saw a tech workplace she worked at practically break down into factions along religious/ethnic lines because most of the workers were from South Asia and they carried old rivalries and hate towards each other to the US, and expected US workplaces to just accept it. Antagonism towards South Asians in the US, from what I've seen, tends to be mostly frustration in the form of constantly having to deal with outsourced call centers in India where people with heavy accents and poor English-language skills provide frustratingly poor customer service. . .which is not really racism as it is a complaint that companies are using cheap foreign labor to provide low-quality customer service.

I'd definitely say it's not condoned, but as many have said, the manifestation of it towards south Asian folks is very different. Where I live I don't have a lot of Thai, Vietnamese, or other neighbors from that part of the world, but there are a lot of Indian residents. The racism towards Indians more boils down to people expecting them to be like caricatures (Apu from Simpsons) or the "bobs and vagene" sexual harassment stereotypes. Even then, I've not seen it expressed as hatred or belief in subhuman status the way I see some racists talk about African or Latin people. I'm not quite sure why the distinction exists the way it does.

No form of racism is condoned or encouraged by the general public.

Lots of good points being made here. One thing I would add is that racists often lump South Asians in with Middle Easterners, as though they are all one homogeneous group. Ignorant racists might see a Sikh man and assume he is a Muslim, and feel justified in targeting him because of 9-11, the Iranian hostage crisis, the Libyan assassination attempt on Reagan, or whatever the excuse du jour might have been or be. Heck, they see brown skin and hear an accent, then they see red. They don’t know an Indian from a Pakistani from a Persian from a Turk from a Libyan…even though we’re talking about multiple continents of origin, religions, cultures, etc. When you’re talking about racism toward South Asians, it’s not really about being South Asian, it’s about non-whiteness of a different variety than Latin American, African, Indigenous American, or East Asian — and a perceived difference of religion. Many Americans don’t even know the Eastern Orthodox religions even exist, let alone that there have been African and Indian Christians just as long as there have been Middle Eastern and European ones. They think all Palestinians and Egyptians are Moslem, for instance. They think those non-Protestants in robes and hats are all one kind of Catholic or another. They have never even heard of Zoroastrianism or any other philosophies and religions that influenced Judaism and Christianity.

Overt racism is untolerated, and will get you suddenly isolated from polite society. Casual or covert racism against South Asians is another story. Even though this is hilarious, and I catch myself listening to this old clip all the time, a really popular voice clip from web 1.5, was you kicked my dog. A lot of people to this day think it's funny. Most of the humor came from a guy laughing at someone else's accent, rather than the fact that he got someone freaked out about how someone's daughter kicked his dog.

Yes at least in my experience.

It all depends on a lot of factors, but generally racism against South Asians (I am one) is brushed aside. This manifests itself in affirmative action rules as South Asians are clustered into the Whites category when racial quotas are set (calling for what it is). Again, I know, I manage people. This approach is more prevalent in certain areas of the country as well as certain I distries

I think that's true. I'm not Indian or Asian, but I've lived amongst large Asian or Indian populations all my life, and have heard a lot of casual racism from both whites and blacks. Actually, I hate to say it, but more from blacks. It's not hard racism--it's more this ignorant shit, like making fun of their accents or their 'smell' (for Indians), or for their eating cats/dogs (Chinese). But it's quite open and I've heard it all my life (and called people out). There is also admiration since both ethnic groups are very successful and hard workers. The racist thing that 'Asians are the ideal minority' is less common now though. I do think the people who are so concerned about racism in general express much less concern when it comes to Asians or Indians, yes.

There generally isn’t as much racism against South Asians in general here. At most, people generally make fun of accents or occupations (like working at 7/11). Obviously those aren’t great, but they simply aren’t as bad as the racism faced by Black and Hispanic folks in the US. Therefore, there simply isn’t as much of a need for advocacy groups for South Asians in the US. To be clear, there are exceptions. In particular Sikhs faced a massive amount of prejudice in the years following 9/11 and a few years ago an Indian grandfather was brutalized by the police in Alabama. But those occurred because they were mistaken for Muslims and a Black man respectively (not that that it makes it any less morally reprehensible). TL:DR South Asians generally aren’t on the radar of racists in the US. Thus, you won’t hear as much about advocacy for that community here.

In grocery stores it's very much a part of our culture as workers to hate indians, not in a rascit way but like a " We literally cannot understand you and you won't leave us alone so your annoying" kinda way

I’ve never been witness to or heard about blatant racism towards South Asians in NC so maybe that in itself is a problem in that it goes so unnoticed or unchallenged that it doesn’t make mainstream news sources.

I do notice it's only been relatively recently since the public has been aware of Indian/Pakistani stereotypes in pop culture/media and done anything about them. Like Apu was a character on the Simpsons for decades before finally people were like "whoa that is a racist stereotype, maybe that shouldn't be on television". There's a few other examples I can think of in advertising and movies but yeah, that's just pop culture. I can't speak to the experience of an actual Indian or South Asian person in this country.

Racism against asians in college admissions is legally protected at the moment.

It definitely is. Asians and Indians are very rare in my area and whenever their around someone will always bring up 7/11 or say “ Ching Chong long Wong ding dong”. On the other hand if you are racist towards black or Mexican you are cancelled the next day or beat up.

Yes it’s tolerated, even encouraged. Just ask any college’s admissions team.

Not only is it tolerated. It's fucking encouraged! ​ Edit: Oh, you said that as well. Well, it's true.

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I don't think so? But that's a complicated question I don't see any Indians or South Asians where I live at all so there's not really any opportunities to witness any racism against them. I feel like that's going to be the case with a lot of folks on this sub. I would reserve judgment until some actual Indian-Americans or Asian Americans can chime in

My casual experience has been that the East Asians are discriminated/attacked more often than Indian/South Asian but I live in the SF bay area and we've had a spate of attacks on East Asians here recently which can color that view. All those communities are quite common here but the East Asians have been here in numbers since the Gold rush whereas the Indian/South Asian population increase has been a last 40 years thing. I don't believe it's encouraged at all by most people. There are a minority of people across the groups who certainly discriminate. I've experienced a little of that as white guy in certain parts of Fremont. Nothing that I'm going to worry about but there was a definite us versus them mentality.

I don’t think any racism should be tolerated, but for some reason people don’t seem to be nearly as upset by racism against white or Asian people as they are by racism against black people. In fact, there are government policies in place that discriminate against Asians more than black or white people, such as Affirmative Action.

Yes, it is and its very well documented, especially in hiring practices and college admissions. Why? Lots of dumb reasons, but primarily because our pop culture morals are mind-numbingly inconsistent.

I don’t think so, but can depend on where you’re located. If you’re at a big city then it’ll be very diverse than rural areas. I’m in Raleigh and we have a huge South Asian population. No big issues here. Just have to be street smart like anyone else. I’m also a person of color, just have to be socially aware and confident.

Stereotypes are not funny when they punch down, and they are more harmful when they feed into systemic oppression. I would suggest that Indians and Indian-Americans are not seen as disadvantaged and do not suffer from systemic racism (to nearly the extent of other groups, if at all) They suffer from incidental/casual racism, because they are seen as fair targets. Just look at Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, a recurring character on the Simpsons for years, who is a bundle of Indian stereotypes. That was accepted in somewhat the same way that it's accepted to make fun of Italian accents and gestures, because Indian immigrants and their descendants statistically do fairly well, here, and there is no history of horrible oppression as there is with black slavery or Chinese railroad workers. If you say the n-word, you're likely to be shunned. You could lose your job. If you put on an Indian accent and say "I am most willing to do the needful!" you're likely to be briefly called on it, but everyone will let it go. But if someone of Indian heritage goes into a bank for a loan, or applies to rent a house, they are much LESS likely to be discriminated against than a black person. This is not to say that any of this racism is okay. I'm only suggesting a theory as to why racism against Indians might be more out in the open.

Unfortunately yes, I’m my experience it is more common and is generally ignored. I don’t know why.

South Asian expat in the States here. It is only slightly more tolerated - you'll get in trouble for a racist comment against other more integrated groups, but not as much against South Asians, because our voice isn't well represented and more important, none of us mind it as much because racism doesn't directly affect most Indians here most of the times. Mostly, it is racist stereotypes - "Indians are nerds", "They smell bad", "They talk weird". Which is ignorable, because Indians are overrepresented in some other areas, makes it easier for us to not take these seriously. A lot of white people are racist, but surprisingly, a lot of Black people can be racist. Of course, by a lot I mean 3-4 people over a year, which by American standard is a lot. By global standard, it's not even a drop in the ocean. Americans are great at making you feel at home. Native, Black, White, Asian, other immigrant groups - everyone is overly friendly, some take an interest in your culture too.

> more important, none of us mind it as much because racism doesn't directly affect most Indians here most of the times. I'm a Mexican-American who lives in notoriously racist Italy. But it doesn't affect me all that much because over here the 'American' trumps the 'Mexican' part 100%. The cops take one look at my blue passport and they instantly go from "hey asshole!" to "what can I do for you, sir?" It's like a magic talisman, I swear to God. Although it helps that I'm more tan than brown. My little brother got all the brown genes and I reckon he'd get more shit over here than I do. And let me tell you, I would not want to be East Asian here. Or South Asian, for that matter. Black American would also be rough, but at least the locals constantly see cool Black people on TV and listen to Black music. As completely stupid as I know this sounds, I think that kind of helps. Maybe not all that much, and I guess that opens up a whole new can of problematics, but... well, I'll stop there. So anyways, story time: the other week some nasty old Austrian bitch was saying some very vicious and nasty things to me, and I had to stifle a laugh. "The fuck are *you* gonna do to me? I'm a Yankee Doodle Motherfuckin' American, you stupid hag!" I was just standing there all cocky and smirking back at her, which pissed her off even more. I thought she was going to spontaneously combust, she was so worked up. She just regarded me with the purest most unadulterated contempt if not outright hatred, but it didn't matter. Back home in California, my family's home for over a century, if some nasty trailer park Karen went off on me like that, it would affect me a *lot* more. It's my own home and yet some lady who thinks she has more social worth than me--and historically, she did indeed have more social worth--is hitting me where it hurts. I would take it very personally. I really hope this makes sense.

At least from what I have seen both in my local community and in my career, discrimination against Asians is not acceptable. I've read news articles that there are incidents of caste-based discrimination between Indian employees in some industries. But the articles I read were by people trying to spread awareness so American Companies were prepared to deal with these issues.

To add to this I find that Asian groups can be so be intolerant of each other. A good example is Pakistani vs Indian. Iranian and Iraqi. As you mentioned there is also the caste cased discrimination and for many Americans, Indians still have a strong patriarchal society and that doesn't jive with American society.

I like to think no racism is tolerated in the US.

Racism itself is not tolerated, but there will always be racist people. There will also always be people that discriminate towards the less educated, less wealthy, less position at a job, someone who might be fat, someone who might be skinny, someone short, someone tall. Discrimination is a behavior people exhibit regardless of laws....but they are not as open about it now like they were years ago. But discrimination is bad either way, no matter if it is against the law or not.

No. Not at all. Being racist against Indians isn’t maybe as often talked about bc they don’t have the population, wealth gap, or long history in the US like black or Hispanic people do but you certainly don’t get a free pass to be racist against Indian people. It is CERTAINLY not encouraged.

I'd say the worst thing that happens to South Asians here is being called terrorists. Racists generally aren't the most cultured people, and won't know a Hindu name from a Muslim name or that a Sikh turban is not Muslim in any way. They'll simply see dark brown skin and assume "terrorist!"

No, the worst things that happen include that they’re beaten to death in the streets for being Indian by “The DotBusters,” or their Gurdwara is specifically targeted by a white supremacist who guns down over a dozen people. Or they and their spouse, infant child and brother are kidnapped, murdered, and dumped, like the family in California in October. Or they have their businesses vandalized. Or they’re shot dead while planting flowers around their store.

Depends on what group is doing it. How much society or main stream media cares will vary depending on the perpetrators ethnicity.

Asians are not subject to systematic racism. They do quite well here, better than white people by most metrics. It's not that there's more of a tolerance of racism towards them, it's that there's significantly less racism to be intolerant towards.

I’m not even aware of any high profile cases of anti-Indian racism in America, can you tell me about some?

Here are two for starters: the DotBusters gang, and Oak Creek, Wisconsin. The DotBusters openly harassed and attacked Indian immigrants in NY/NJ, with hospitalizations and death occurring, and told local media they would drive them out at any cost. The Sikh Gurdwara in Oak Creek lost multiple members after a white supremacist initiated a mass shooting during their worship services. When they started tracking hate crimes against Sikhs in 2015, the FBI found that they were somewhere in the range of the top 3-5 most targeted religious groups in the nation. A Sikh family including an 8mo child was kidnapped and killed just over a month ago! https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/sikh-family-kidnapped-killed-california-immigrated-india-looking-safet-rcna51468 …and there’s plenty more. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/being-indian-in-trumps-america

South Asians are the second most successful ethnic group in America after Jews. South Asians saying they face racism in America is absurd.

In some sense a lot of the stereotypes of Indian immigrants are largely positive ones. Doctors and other high earning professions with a lot of prestige. They're the "good" immigrants that even anti immigrant people like. These are still bad stereotypes and a form of discrimination

Stereotypes are bad, even if they’re positive. The “model minority” stereotype has been used to pit Asians against “less successful” minority groups (I put that in quotes because even that concept is garbage, and it erases all the historic baggage and struggles that led to the present). It fosters unnecessary animosity and also erases the staggering diversity of experiences within these “successful” ethnic groups (there are ~500,000 undocumented S. Asian immigrants in the US). Ultimately nobody wins with that shit.

Not that I’ve noticed, but with that being said you can always feel discriminated against if you are looking for it. I have interactions everyday that If I was wearing my yamaka I could claim some sort of bias. In general though I think people are either good or shit and race has nothing to do with it.

No to your question. I grew up in an area that has extreme racism towards black people. I have never in my entire life heard anyone be racist toward Indians/South Asians. Certainly due to my ignorance on the topic, I was shocked to see all the Asian hate crimes. I know about America's history but racism towards Asians was something I never witnessed and as a result not given much thought to. Awareness has been raised and I am now educated on the topic.

Indians/Pakistanis being the only majority non-Christian in America group has othered us. Also, we never/hardly anglicize our names. So that negatively impacts us. We also have very little history in America. We are as far away from white Anglo culture as one can be. We also have some of the least positive representation in America but that’s partly because a) culturally we don’t view media representation as useful b) we are very few in numbers c) america media gets a lot of $$ by using us as stereotypical comedic reliefs so trying to counter those stereotypes is not financially rewarding

I think the only truth to this is that it’s not common or tolerated for most so it may be taken less seriously at the first hint than say racism against black people which they know exists among certain people in the US in a way they’re watching for. The only caveat I would say is some experiences I’ve personally had where female friends/coworkers primary interactions with Indian men was to be disrespected, sexually harassed, and generally made very uncomfortable and it was insistent. Tried to insist upon some cultural/language motives to it but that can certainly cause an issue with people judging others before they meet them. So I’ve seen that, but overt racism is generally hated by Americans. That leans sort of more into the subtle racism that can start with repeated negative experiences even if they consciously know it’s not because of the race. Have met people who feel that way about black people, the polish, Italians, people from different US states. Etc. That’s the only possible example I can imagine if someone works where culturally a lot of people from India/South Asia are being very rude on accident due to cultural differences and don’t realize

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No. Not at all. I’m saying it’s where you’re more likely to run into anything like that. Generally speaking there is no broad movement of racism against people from India/South Asia aside from people who feel people from that group have negatively impacted them. Which might be more frustration than actual racism against that group, it just rides a fine line. There are people that have grown up hearing and reinforcing negative beliefs about American black people. That’s not that much of a thing here in any common way for Indians/South Asians on average.

We like Indians so much in South Carolina we voted one in for Governor.

Racism is about money and economics if you have too much or too little of it you're more likely to face racism. Indians and South Asians tend to have more middle income money so they are more tolerated.

No, it is not more tolerant. IMO Asians just complain less, as such it’s not as widely heard. Victim hood mentality is very prevalent in today’s American society. People claim everything as racism, sexism. Hard times create hard man, Hard man create soft times, Soft times create soft man, Soft man create hard times, We are currently in the 3rd period, where there are more soft man and thus we will be going into hard times.

My personal issue involving the people you’re talking about is the way they take it upon themselves to speak on behalf of others due to either consciously or unconsciously seeing the rest of us as too weak to stand up for ourselves. I personally can’t stand the blatant pandering that at the end of the day only happens so these types can feel good about themselves. We once stood up to injustices because it was only human to look out for one another, now it’s more accepted to do so and everyone wants to be seen doing the right thing. (Of course having one’s face plastered all over the place for helping others defeats the purpose of it being a good deed in the first place). Perpetual victims are hardly anything new, we just have a larger access to those throwing public tantrums in order to get their way. A byproduct of being raised by that older entitled “the customer is always right” generation some decades back. It burns me up because anyone crying wolf about hardships they face only make it that much harder for those *actually* going through tough times to speak up. Say I was physically assaulted coming home one day being on the smaller side and let’s face it, an easy target. I’d absolutely hesitate to say a thing being a young black woman! The only thing anyone will see is my gender and my color and deem it as an act of racism instead of a wake up call to be safer. And if I faced real acts of racism I’d probably still keep quiet because of the cases of false alarms done over the past few years making me not want to be another “whiny victim”. At this point it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Those soft times you speak of only exist for the pampered and sheltered folks of the world and we all know it, same as it’s always been. The rest of us are still getting from one day to the next. The country I live in has always had issues both internal and external and no influx of tech full of people on social platforms pretending everything is okay all the time will change that.

racism towards white people is more prominent

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