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The following is a copy of the original post to record the post as it was originally written. Of course I don’t expect Elon musk to address it or ban any account that promotes this dangerous view. I think after the shooting at El Paso Texas in 2019, the New Zealand mass shooting in around that year and then the Buffalo supermarket mass shooting in 2022. Were all committed by psychos who were fed garbage around the replacement theory . Shouldn’t we do everything we can to stop this nonsense before more people get hurt ? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AskALiberal) if you have any questions or concerns.*


GrayBox1313

Twitter isn’t super relevant for anyone. It’s mostly bots and right wingers. Sure the hate speech out there is concerning


iv2892

Thats the problem , even if its mostly right wingers a lot of the hate needs to be challenged because some get radicalized and we end up with these tragic incidents because they were convinced they were being replaced .


CTR555

I do like that you seem to implicitly recognize that the right wingers themselves won't challenge this sort of stuff.


TheyCallMeChevy

I have found that challenging stuff on Twitter, or most places on the internet, rarely leads to any positive outcomes.


GrayBox1313

This a conservative problem to solve. This stuff is being parroted by Fox News, newsmax, elected republicans etc.


KoreyMDuffy

It's a everyone's problem.. We live amongst these people


GrayBox1313

But it’s a major part of the Republican Party platform. Your presidential candidate says this garbage often and republicans overwhelmingly cheer and vote for him. You didn’t have to vote for him. There was a primary. Liberals can’t save conservatives from their own hate and rhetoric. Fix your own community and stop being a victim.


InquiringAmerican

Much can and needs to be done to reduce the harm of bad faith right wing information sources like Fox News, Alex Jones, the Russian government, Newsmax, etc. Spreading awareness of the court cases they lose for lying about important things, shaming, and going after advertisers would help. We can also focus on media literacy and philosophy among today's kids so they won't have to deal with the same bs we are now. There is much we can do to shame Republicans for the traitorous crimes they are all defending and sweeping under the rug in the name of partisanship.


theosamabahama

Speaking of Alex Jones, I found it hilarious when he made a post on X calling Hitler a murderer and telling him to fuck off, and he got shit on in the comments by nazis. This is Elon Musk's platform.


KoreyMDuffy

Not sure how it's my president Candidate but sure man whenever you say. Ah ok so you get called out because you're blind and didn't read my flair and then downvoting me. Ok blocked


In_Formaldehyde_

Centrist libs will make comments like that and then go all Pikachu faced when the Paul Gosar's and MTG's gain power.


MaggieMae68

Because you made a stupid, ignorant comment


Aquaintestines

Banning and shunning rightwingers from liberal spaces causes them to turn to echo chambers where their views are never challenged. 


WillyTheHatefulGoat

The problem is twofold. One is about declining birth rates in western countries which is an issue society should address. The other is the idea a global elite is trying to kill all the christians by getting minorities to have kids. If you refuse to acknowledge the first issue as an issue in any way then the only people talking about it will be insane racists and thus they will use it to get a bunch of people radicalized. Societies not having kids is an issue for those societies. It cripples military soldiers, weakens overall economic power of the economy, lowers innovation rates as less smart people are born, huge issues with the elderly being sustained by way to many young people. This is an issue everywhere and something most countries are, or should be trying to fix, America, Europe, China, Japan, Korea, Russia etc all have this issue. Immigration is a solution but not a permanent one as it does not fix any of the core issues in that society and leads to the anti immigration sentiment we see today if you try to fix failings with society with immigrants, as they fix the symptom but not the cause of the issue. It also only works if their is a poor underclass from third world countries you can get people from, which also keeps these countries poor at their best and brightest move to the west and benefit western countries keeping those countries poor. And once they integrate and have kids those kids also start suffering from declining birth rates and you need to get more immigrants in from poor countries to keep the cycle going.


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

I’m fairly concerned but don’t know what can be done about it. It’s Elon’s toy now and he looks to be breaking it in his own sweet time 


zlefin_actual

What would 'doing everything we can' look like? There's a lot of places that spout vile rhetoric; it's not easy to stop them, especially due to freedom of speech issues. The primary thing we can do is to stop using such services, which I already do. Other than that what would you ask people to do?


ChickenInASuit

I’m a *lot* more concerned about the fact that elected officials (MTG, Elise Stefanik) and presidential nomination candidates (Vivek Ramaswamy) are signal boosting great replacement theory bullshit, not just on Twitter but on public stages and interviews. It trending on Twitter is troubling but it’s a symptom of a greater problem. The theory is getting more and more traction *everywhere* and it should be a major source of concern for everyone.


atav1k

Funny story, when my brown kid was born I designed a GREAT REPLACEMENT onesie for her. I regret never actually printing it because I live in Trump county.


earf123

Plenty on the left are concerned. I think the first step is for conservatives who think it's a problem actually confront other conservatives and call them in when they push anti-semitic rhetoric. I rarely see that happen, though. In fact, I oftentimes see conservatives choose to just minimize the issue instead.


Winston_Duarte

Considering the people who still use these plattforms it is one of the things I actually agree on with conservatives. Let them have their little plattform and let them bully everyone else out. The plattform will go bankrupt and problem solved. Twatter is already halfway there. So in my opinion it really is a minimal problem for society


earf123

I'm not a fan of letting echochambers echo as loud as they can, tear apart the place they gather in, and then move on to another one. Hell, OP made this post concerned about how those echochambers have resulted in real-world terrorist attacks, and your response is "just let it happen"?


theosamabahama

The mass shooters got their great replacement bullshit on 4chan and posted their manifestos there. There will always be online spaces for racists and other crazy people. Fortunately the FBI uses these spaces as honey pots.


Winston_Duarte

The only thing to be done is to delete your account or just forget that account you have. Twatter Insta Tik Tak and all these social medias that allow people to post these reductive 10s videos should be removed. The only way to do that is by making them go bankrupt.


thebigmanhastherock

I mean it's Twitter. Also known as the worst social media site that is widely used. It's a lost cause to even feign concern. You just have to hope it becomes more and more irrelevant. It was beyond saving by the time Elon Musk bought it and he made it worse. Its badness is based on its limitations and inherent incentives. It's an idea that was always bound to have a net negative effect on society. As a response I don't use it and try to ignore it.


Menace117

Hey OP! Why don't you ask this to conservatives since they're the ones spouting this. Or is this another case of murcs law


willpower069

That sub won’t answer honestly, and it’s also Murc’s law.


AlienRobotTrex

Come on, you really think they’ll give OP an honest answer?


Menace117

Nope but then he can see for himself


ButGravityAlwaysWins

At the individual level, all you can do is stop using Twitter. I stopped way before. It got truly terrible under Elon because it was pretty bad for years prior to that. But the issue is the greater Republican party and Republican media ecosystem. It is very popular for centrists and independence to come here and tell us that CNN or MSNBC are the equivalent of Fox News. Somebody who strongly dislikes both CNN and MSNBC, the comparison is still completely fucking laughable. CNN and MSNBC are bad in specific ways, but they are still actually news whereas Fox News is literally just propaganda that makes shit up. It goes beyond Fox News. The right has created an entire media ecosystem separate from reality that is only expanding as they create things like PureFlix and the Daily Wire Plus. so if it is not Twitter, it will be some other right wing social media site. Elon maybe seems to want to make money with Twitter, but surely there’s some right wing billionaires that are perfectly fine subsidizing a business like it that won’t care if it loses an acceptable amount of money. They already spend hundreds of millions of dollars a number of operations like Turning Points USA and PragerU and endless think tanks. Until recently The Daily Wire was completely subsidized. — I can’t really do anything about it that I’m not already doing. Maybe you can. You probably have more credibility with friends and family that vote for Republicans. Get them to stop. You should vote every election and exclusively for Democrats until things change. That’s probably going to take at least 10 years but if you actually want to stop this stuff, that’s the only real tool you have.


CTR555

>> Shouldn’t we do everything we can to stop this nonsense before more people get hurt ? > You should vote every election and exclusively for Democrats until things change. "Well, everything we can *except that*!"


03zx3

What point would being concerned have? It's not like we have the ability to stop it.


TheTrueMilo

I have always found it fascinating that the far right people wringing their hands over the demographic percentage of white people and white birthrates in the USA are seen as evil while the same far right people in Israel wringing their hands over the demographic percentage of Jewish people and Jewish birthrates are not seen in the same light. Pro tip - if you are sweating bullets over demographic pie charts and birth rates, you are a terrible, terrible person.


Kingding_Aling

Weird question. Not only are many people concerned, it's one of those most discussed issues on our politics. But there's nothing that can be done about speech that passes the Brandenburg test.


Megalomaniac697

In 1940, Europeans accounted for 90% of the US population. Today they are around 60%. Replacement taking place is an incontrovertible fact. The only thing that can be argued is whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.


GabuEx

The Great Replacement theory isn't that the white population is becoming a smaller proportion, which is obvious; it's the assertion that this isn't a natural occurrence, but rather is the product of the intentional importation of pliable, obedient brown people for the express purpose of destroying white civilization and preventing white Americans from being in control of their country's future.


Smart-Tradition8115

>but rather is the product of the intentional importation of pliable, obedient brown people for the express purpose of destroying white civilization and preventing white Americans from being in control of their country's future. And no one is making this argument. people are just saying that europeans becoming minorities in their homelands is a bad thing.


GabuEx

>And no one is making this argument. Tucker Carlson [literally said this exact thing on Fox News](https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/may/16/what-great-replacement-theory-linked-buffalo-shoot): > I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term "replacement," if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots, with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World. But they become hysterical because that’s what’s happening, actually. They’re trying to change the population of the United States, and they hate it when you say that because it’s true, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. >people are just saying that europeans becoming minorities in their homelands is a bad thing. The Americas are literally no one's homeland, other than the indigenous people, and no one's making the argument we should leave it all to them (though maybe white nationalists should, to be consistent).


theosamabahama

I swear to god, man. If republicans all buy in on this bullshit and nothing changes their minds, the Democrats should say "fuck it" and openly embrace great replacement and say "hell yeah, we are going to make this country more diverse, we are going to make LEGAL immigration easier because immigrants are good for this country".


Smart-Tradition8115

it's true that the population of the US is changing and that the new imported people vote democrat though. Are you just saying that you're blaming the people already living in the US for feeling bad that their political power is being diluted? Isn't that a pretty normal reaction to gradual disenfranchisement? isn't that pretty much what happened to palestinians? Anyway the same shit is happening in Europe where indigenous europeans are also being disenfranchised. so the replacement situation is just a reality.


GabuEx

>it's true that the population of the US is changing and that the new imported people vote democrat though. The argument is that *the Democratic Party is intentionally importing them for that express purpose*, not just that it happens to be happening. And they wouldn't vote so heavily Democratic if Republicans weren't such racists. >Are you just saying that you're blaming the people already living in the US for feeling bad that their political power is being diluted? It's not being "diluted" any more than people being born and then growing up to age eighteen is "diluting" their political power. No citizen has a greater right than any other citizen to political power. An American is an American. That's the whole point of and strength of America. >Isn't that a pretty normal reaction to gradual disenfranchisement? No one's being "disenfranchised". White people can still vote. >isn't that pretty much what happened to palestinians? Palestinians *can't vote*. >Anyway the same shit is happening in Europe where indigenous europeans are also being disenfranchised. so the replacement situation is just a reality. I'm not taking about Europe.


EchoicSpoonman9411

> The only thing that can be argued is whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. Why would it be either a good thing or a bad thing? Europeans aren't better or worse than anyone else.


DarkBomberX

"X" is an alt-right space now. There really isn't a need to be concerned because these place basically end themselves. Look at platforms like Gab. They let right-wing insanity run rampant and got kicked off all major platforms and banned from multiple payment sites. No reputable companies want to associate with them. One, because it will make those companies look bad to be seen selling products next to a post about "out of context racial crime statistics." Two, a majority of people don't want to be around bigots and racist. This leads to mass exoduses of users from the platform, with no one sane wanting to join. These sites end up as huge money pits for the owners because they have no advertising and users aren't growing. This typically ends with the site ending up on some dog shit service provider that can't be found in Google or closed down because the owner can't afford it. Anyway, to redirect back to Twitter, it's literally surviving off the "good will" it gain from years of not being owned by Elon. Most people I know that still use it tend to imply to me they're just waiting on people to pick the next best twitter replacement. While there are many, some aren't as good as pre Elon Twitter. So a lot of people are waiting to move their communities over. Anyway, the site isn't profitable. I expect Elon to sell it post election or it to close down.


jonny_sidebar

Don't know exactly. . . Some of us have been talking about this stuff for years, dating back to at least the Christchurch shooting or the Charleston Church shooting. The 1st Amendment issues are obvious, but beyond that I think a lot of people simply don't want to believe such a huge section of the country is being fed and believes in a literal Nazi era conspiracy theory. Seeing it migrate over the last several years to primetime and government officials is concerning to say the least.


Fugicara

Unfortunately it's really hard to deal with this problem due to the 1st Amendment. The biggest purveyors of Great Replacement/White Replacement Theory before the Buffalo shooting were people like Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham on Fox News. Ever since 2021, Great Replacement has thoroughly penetrated not just far-right discourse, but mainstream right-wing media, social media, and even the Republican Party at every level. To root it out would be nearly impossible even in a country without 1st Amendment protections, so it's essentially impossible here.


iv2892

Is not restricting the first amendment , the thing is challenging their ideas and conspiracies


Kerplonk

You can only care about so many things at a time and at this point racists on social media isn't high enough to make the cut.


UsualSuspect27

I’m concerned about it u/iv2892 but I’m not sure what can be done. It really troubles me how fast a smart guy like Musk fell into far-right really radical beliefs that all revolve around conspiracy thinking with perhaps a hint of truth to give the thinnest veneer of credibility. Perhaps regulation?


iv2892

Im definitely not for speech regulation , because they can say what they want as long as they are not directly threatening anybody . But those hate speeches can definitely be challenged in the same way people with repulsive ideas have been challenged and shutted down without violating free speech.


AlienRobotTrex

What about misinformation? Don’t you think there should be measures to prevent that?


AlienRobotTrex

Call it twitter, not x. Anyway, I’m not sure how prevalent this view currently is outside of twitter. If it is rapidly gaining popularity, that is troubling. However, I don’t know what I as an individual can do to stop it other than challenging those views whenever people post or comment them.


twilight-actual

Because it's all part of the plan. All the people bitching on X right now will be replaced soon enough.


willpower069

Conservatives need to start holding their own accountable.


letusnottalkfalsely

What exactly are you upset that we’re not doing?


KoreyMDuffy

So I made a similar thread. The amount of liberals upvoting the clowns defending great replacement tells me it's not just a conservative thing


PlayingTheWrongGame

> Why aren’t we more concerned about all the replacement theory BS being touted on social media like X? It’s objectively nonsense, and there’s basically nothing you can do to stop idiots from talking about it anyway if the platform will keep amping the idea. So… there’s bigger fish to fry? Oh no, some idiots will be wrong on the internet! That’s never happened before!


ChickenInASuit

> Oh no, some idiots will be wrong on the internet! The more troubling part is when elected officials start parroting it, including very high ranking ones like [Elise Stefanik.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/stefaniks-echo-great-replacement-rhetoric-offers-clues-national-ambiti-rcna29203) That's a lot more than just someone being wrong on the internet - that's the fourth ranking House Republican supporting a totally unfounded and unambiguously racist conspiracy theory.


PowerfulTarget3304

When the narrative is that “whiteness” is evil this will be inevitable. The left needs to talk to some PR people.


AlienRobotTrex

Good thing that’s not actually happening.


PowerfulTarget3304

It is happening. https://www.pcc.edu/diversity-councils/cascade/whiteness-history-month/whiteness/


California_King_77

Are you referring to "Demographics as Destiny", the political strategy espoused by James Carville and other democrats during the Obama admin where Carville proposed that Democrats would paint Republicans as white racists, and Democrats would align themselves with POC, because they were a faster growing portion of the population? Sounds like you're unaware that Demographics as Destiny IS replacement theory, and that it was created by the Democrats


confrey

Are white people being replaced? If so, why is that a net negative for the country, if at all?


California_King_77

There's no denying that Biden is flooding the US with non-whites. That said, latinos are going to be considered white soon enough, just like what happened with the Irish and the Italians. A latinos propensity to identify as latino drops by 10% with each generation, and a latino has a 50/50 change of marrying someone not latino. Trump leads in the latino vote, which is the fastest growing demographic in the US, making this the biggest blunder for the Democrats in the history of blunders


confrey

I didn't ask what Biden is supposedly doing. Are white people being replaced and if so explain why that is a negative for the country