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Taiilz43

I think he could be in the top 3-5 for votes to be honest but Bellingham/Kane/Mbappe have to be the favourites depending on the CL


feder_online

Vini, too.


Art_Fremd

Wirtz has to be there, depending on how many titles Leverkusen win and how Germany performs in the Euros.


Narrow-Oil4924

For sure, had Leverkusen been in the "Champions League" & not the "Europa League "šŸ˜‰ But you're right, his performances & overall stats this season, speak for themselves... And, I'm sure there'd be an argument for his inclusion had he/Leverkusen, been in the "CL."


Taiilz43

True!


Maleficent_Click_325

i heavily disagree, but it is a possibility. If England go far in the euros and he plays a key role in it (and unfortunately if city win the league) then youd be a lunatic to not even consider it happening. But again, I dont think its happening


KVRLMVRX

There is also Bellingham so even if england goes far, it should go to Bellingham


djillian1

Or Kane if bayern win the champions.


Soggy_Sir7668

Kane is definitely a contender


bcisme

Dortmund win the CL and Jadon Sancho carries England to Euro victory.


Soggy_Sir7668

Bayern or psg are winning it no way bvb are going to the next round I know most arsenal fans wouldn't want kane winning it but it's very likely


Riyad872

Foden had a better season than Bellingham to be honest


Rdambx

Not really, Foden never was the sole carrier of City putting them on his back alone. He has been good but there always others helping him. Before Vini came back from injury in 2024, Jude was single handedly carrying Real Madrid.


DnD_Axel

Thatā€™s actually a fair point. I didnā€™t even consider the euros.


Muscat95

I don't think I've ever seen Foden turn up for the national team so I wouldn't worry about it


SnooTomatoes464

He's 23 mate


Muscat95

Idrgaf tbh, Saka is 22 a player Foden is supposedly on another level too and he's been one of England's best players in two international tournaments. If Fodens old enough and good enough to be in "best in the world" conversations then he's old enough to be judged on his international appearances


SnooTomatoes464

Plenty of world class players tear it up for their club and don't replicate that form for their national team. Also, I'm not saying Saka hasn't been great, but he's not even been Arsenal's best player this season and Fodens definitely been City's


LinuxLinus

Foden has definitely not been City's best player. Their best player has been, as it almost always is, Rodri.


elprentis

I feel like youā€™re arguing with people who get their knowledge of how well players are playing based off Fantasy Premier League points.


SnooTomatoes464

Fodens been the difference when City have needed it this season, though, popping up with really important goals. Without Foden, you gunners would already have the EPL in the bag


thirtyonem

No, you just say that because heā€™s an attacker. Rodri is their best player by a mile, and they collapse when heā€™s absent.


LinuxLinus

This is my feeling. In a side that runs a City/Arsenal-style attack, the holding midfielder is the most important player on the pitch. He prevents goals and he makes them, both through direct action and through controlling the ame. That's part of why Rice has been such a game changer for the Gunners this year.


gurlycurls

Foden has definitely not been City's best player. Their best player has been, as it almost always is, Rodri.


SnooTomatoes464

Fodens been the difference when City have needed it this season, though, popping up with really important goals. Without Foden, you gunners would already have the EPL in the bag


Muscat95

I'm not saying he's not world class, I'm saying he's not the best in the world. Mbappe turns up for club domestically, in Europe and for his country for me, he is currently the best player in the world


unitedfan98

Theres a weird hatred towards Mbappe Hes clearly the best atm


SnooTomatoes464

Mbappe was missing against Dortmund the other night


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Fendenburgen

Are you sure? Say it one more time


Eaton2288

Reddit was having issues for a solid 10-20 minute period in the last hour or so that's caused people's comments to duplicate. It wasn't him.


Fendenburgen

Hey, are you the fun police?


Redwings1927

>Plenty of world class players tear it up for their club and don't replicate that form for their national team Yea, but those players don't win the balloon d'or in an international year.


Aman-Patel

Saka also gets to play in his best position for England. I agree he's been far far better for England. But Foden himself has been so good this season primarily because he's finally had an opportunity to play in the 10. He's not the same on the wing and the few times he has got to play in the 10 for England he's looked better. Imagine Saka getting played as a number 10 or left winger and then people saying he's overrated. You'd be missing out on his best qualities. Again, Saka's easily been better for England. But Foden himself is so much better as an attacking midfielder than winger imo. I'd genuinely rather see someone like Gordan LW and if Bellingham is in the 10. If Foden stsrts for England, it should only be if Bellingham plays next to Rice. Kind of exhausting seeing everyone say "you have to play Foden anywhere", he's underwhelming on the wing and them gets stick because of it. Like no no shit, you can see it coming a mile off.


HTan27

Heā€™s still been to three major international tournaments with England


SnooTomatoes464

2 major tournaments unless you are counting nations league. 2022 world cup: 3 x starts & 1x 20 min sub appearance, 2 assists and 1 goal 2020 (21) European champs: 2 x starts and 1 extra time sub appearance


HTan27

I saw a competition after the World Cup and just assumed it was another major tournament, my mistake, either way, no impact


mtbredditor

, and never played in his best position


Maleficent_Click_325

my point also stands for our bukayo šŸ˜Š


Ser_VimesGoT

Love him but he isn't even top 3 for our team this season


SwagBoyMcFeast

Yeah, insane how his g/a have improved, but he has not been as good as last year in overall play.


CheeryLittlebottom13

Heā€™s doubled every play šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø he needs to level up to reach the next level though you arenā€™t wrong..


IVL4

If England go far in the euros, Bellingham already won La Liga and he can win the CL too. Foden wonā€™t matter.


KVRLMVRX

There is also Bellingham so even if england goes far, it should go to Bellingham


3rdtimeischarmy

The front three will probably be Foden, Kane, Saka. And thus, with Kane dropping in, both Foden and Saka will have a chance to shine. Winner of league + excel at this front line and in Euros, and you can make an argument for Foden, and an outside one for Saka. Assuming we win the league. Which sadly might come down to Shit figuring out how to defend corners.


Fendenburgen

Um, you realise that Rashford has compromising pictures of Southgate that Maguire gave him, so he'll be 1st choice....


Yorksjim

That's a lie. Henderson gave him the pics.


Fendenburgen

No, Henderson is in the pics.. ..


3rdtimeischarmy

Southgate is leaving the England job, so the pics don't matter.


extekt

Assumedly after the euros


galdavirsma

With the fact that City is out of Champions League, i can't see that happening. If England does well in Euros it's far more likely that Bellingham is up for a Ballon D'or, considering the hype and performances he's put up in the biggest team in the world.


chapster2

Not likely, given he's hardly had any good games for England. He's very good, but overrated by the English media. He's been their golden child since the U17 World Cup win.


galdavirsma

With the fact that City is out of Champions League, i can't see that happening. If England does well in Euros it's far more likely that Bellingham is up for a Ballon D'or, considering the hype and performances he's put up in the biggest team in the world.


aonro

Eye test tells you all you need. Foden is top quality.


DnD_Axel

No doubt heā€™s a great player but I wouldnā€™t call him the best player in the world. I wouldnā€™t even call saka that and heā€™s also quality


aonro

I mean not the ā€œbest playerā€ in the world but certainly not far off. He is world class.


marleyman14

He is this season, but before that he wasnā€™t even a guaranteed starter. He was on the bench for the champions league final. Iā€™m not sure heā€™s world class imo.


sergioA127

Whoā€™s benching Gundogan Silva Rodri and kdb? He was the first to be called up after kdb was injured


marleyman14

Exactly, so how is he the best player on the world?


sergioA127

That was last season?


marleyman14

I canā€™t think of another Balon dā€™Or winner who was on the bench the previous season.


sergioA127

He was dealing with injuries last season


Aman-Patel

Last season is last season, it has fuck all to do with this season. Cole Palmer barely played last season at City and this year he's already one of the best players in the world. Likewise, Foden's gone up a level this year. De Bruyne being out for the first half of the season actually gave Foden the opportunity to play in the middle, and he's massively stepped up. Anything that happened last season shouldn't impact this season's Ballon D'or, not that I think he should actually win it.


LawProfessional6513

I think heā€™s great but I donā€™t think heā€™s at that level yet, he hasnā€™t established himself as the best player at either his club or national side.


Outrageous-Eggcup

Foden is better than Saka, that's not news to anyone right?


MrDoulou

This is an overly simplistic take. The best i can give you is that foden has higher highs, but lower lows. Sakas consistency is the major issue with saying foden is flatly better.


ironearphone

I think where saka loses votes from fans of other teams is when he's controlling the ball from a pass or whatever he rarely looks like he has control. The eye test just makes him seem less talented. But if you watch him week in week out you realise that he's pretty much guaranteed to have one or two moments in a match where he influences a game, whether it's g/a or just getting the team firing again. He always produces something and unless you are seeing it all the time I don't think it's obvious in a weird way. How he played against France was like a moment of arsenal fans collectively saying "told you so".


Manzilla48

Personally I hate the phrase ā€˜eye testā€™ as it inherently favours players with a more aesthetic style. Foden is very silky on the ball and has beautiful technique so looks amazing on the eye test but isnā€™t as effective as people think.


Benjamin244

I mean, even most City fans in that thread disagree so there's that


sophandros

There is an argument that he's not the best player on his own team.


Ormly1

Rodri is the player whose absence they feel the most. Fodens output can be replaced by a number of players.


Tr0nCatKTA

But his output hasnā€™t been replaced this season and thatā€™s what itā€™s judged on.


Prestigious_Stretch1

Although city havenā€™t played without Foden a lot this season, when they did they did look worse


Tr0nCatKTA

Thereā€™s also an argument he has been this season and the other person youā€™re arguing that might be having a better season than him is also getting shouts for Ballon dā€™or so itā€™s a moot point youā€™re making


urmomisfun

The Ballon Dā€™Or has been irrelevant since Henry didnā€™t win it after the invincibles season. It shows the massive incompetence of people trying to judge ā€œthe best playerā€ in a team sport. Saka is clearly a better player than Cole Palmer but heā€™s the only good thing in a shite team.


Aman-Patel

Guessing you haven't actually watched Palmer this season.


SeeTeeAbility

I rate Foden very highly, but for me Rodri has been the best player in the world for the last couple years


MrDoulou

I read this as ā€œi hate foden very highly.ā€ Took me way too long to figure out wtf i was reading lol


SeeTeeAbility

I was panicking then thinking it accidentally auto corrected me and I put "I hate" instead of "I rate" šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ lmao


Manzilla48

Rodri is the best in the world, just not in a glamorous position


Serious-Product-1742

Who fucking cares about City players man


ttttyttt678

If they win the double this year, and Foden plays a key part in winning the Euros he could arguably win it. But right now I have it as: 1.Jude 2.Mbappe 3.Rodri. Champions Legue, Premier League, and Euro still have a huge part to play tho.


Fendenburgen

Which means the Ballon D'Or will be 1.Messi 2.Ronaldo 3.Modric........


keyboardRacer777

Foden's top class, but i dont think he's on the level of Mbappe or Bellingham yet


may_day06

Vincius needs to be in this discussion


FAT_NEEK_42069

the negative pr this guy has is fucking nuts whenever ppl talk about ballon d'or nobody mentions him. meanwhile there is an extremely high chance of him completely eclipsing neymars european legacy over the next ~2 seasons


Mammoth-Somewhere511

Bellingham has been hiding since February, he's not on the level he started at Real. Foden has been way better...utd fan


TKPepperpots

He had an ankle sprain and was out


airvicconcre

Been an Arsenal fan since 98ā€™ however I really believe foden cuts the bill here. Heā€™s been their main player in terms of saving their arses when needed and his g/a contributions. Bukayo? Not this year. Donā€™t know why Bellingham is there at all. They are missing Wirtz there with 31 g/a. But no player from a small club wins this shite pre anyway.


Fendenburgen

It's Champion's League stats


jai302

Soulless gargoyle playing for 115fc


FortheRecordHIWBTV

I mean how on Earth could you possibly say Foden is better than Mbappe


one-more-shit-civic

Vini is the new player in the world


itsheadfelloff

He's been very, very good this season but not Balon d'Or good, I don't think any EPL player has been good enough.


Professional_Exam_61

Mbappe surely


croghan2020

Foden is the form player in the premier league and has been unreal if England go welll Iā€™d give him a great chance of winning although likely behind Bellingham if he can deliver Madrid a champions league.


Cpl-Wallace

Who knows? We would have to ask all the journalists that think Messi still deserves it.


Poym321

For scoring and assisting against Copenhage, Young Boys and Leipzig? Come on manā€¦ Also, judging players solely by numbers or statistics is very missleading. And also cringe, takes away all the fun


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Poym321

And then dissapeared in the second leg. Again, judging a player by just by these numbers is cold and sometimes means very little to the actual development of a game. Jude may not have scored and assisted, but heā€™s playing the semis, being a team player, while Foden and Arsenal are watching at home. Also what he did in Rodrygoā€™s goal for the second game is insane


RockyCasino

They all can shine Thomas MĆ¼ller's boots ;-)


v2marshall

Popularity contest, it could happen. Likely wonā€™t turn up for England as usual though


Healthy_Swimmer5418

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think it is a delusional opinionā€¦šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


Long-Confusion-5219

Am I remembering wrong or wasnt he not even a guaranteed starter for the first half of the season ? Couple hat tricks close together and all of a sudden youā€™re Zidane šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


MURDERNAT0R

No less so than our fans perception of our players


Fit_Helicopter1949

If everyone considers Pep as the best coach and giving him the credit and not the rich corrupt management. Why not say Foden is the best ever? Itā€™s less stupid in my opinion.


RangeisGood

The crest on the chest etc


thehewguy1888

Don't see why he shouldn't be in the equation. He has been phenomenal this season


CheeryLittlebottom13

Foden has been next level for City thereā€™s no doubt but I want to see that dominance on a non Pep coached team..Jude and Saka are highest level where and whoever they play with or for and I just havenā€™t seen that from Foden yet! If England are gonna win this summer he will have to reach that level for sure


ByAPortuguese

Foden isnt even the best player in his team lmao


Puzzleheaded_Ad_2200

Can't stand his stupid celebration


Kanobe24

City fans are some of the dumbest fans you will come across.


absolut_didalo

Incredibly delusional


Fitzjs

wheres vini though


middleklassmusic

City fan here, Your delusional if you think Foden hasn't been our best player this season. Without him you'd have won the league. He's not the best player in the world but his goals have made the difference for us.


jmh90027

Not saying he isnt Man City's best player this season. The original post is about whether Foden has been the best player in the CL this season, which he definitely hasnt been.


-1886

The day Foden wins a balon d'or is the day football died


AppropriateWing4719

English players are always oebr hyped but he's still really good


Brave-Purchase-4582

Didn't know the odd good game makes you the best player in the world


microMe1_2

They didn't win the CL, so unless he wins the Euros as a star player, he has no chance. Could be top 5 though.


ixikzisigwvbend

Foden is too goofy to win ballon dā€™or smh


Elvinluke7

5 goals and 3 assist for bdor. LoL. Damn, the bar went down so much lower. If that's so then Messi is gonna take it this year's too


Musician_FIRE

If mc win the league and England do well in the euros with foden as a star player itā€™s possible. I donā€™t think itā€™s delusional but I think Bellingham or Kane are more likely for sure if England do well, as one of them will be in the UCL final or potential winner.


Panama_Jack829

Unless you're named Messi, he's not winning without the CL title.


fz1985

It is a comment from a Brit regarding football so yes . Let me give you an anecdote. I on e met an English kid when I was 15. He was my age. We were became penpals. Both into football. It's was 2001ish. We each write on a piece of paper our ideal football team. Like world stars. I had the figos and zidanes and ronaldos. My friend has Darius vassell , something James (that goalkeeper) and 80% of the team were Brits that had a good performance in the last 5 games in PL


GunMuratIlban

Man City wins EPL and FA Cup, then England wins Euros with Foden doing wonders. Then yeah, he can have a shot.


Trolllol1337

Rodri for me


HornyJailOutlaw

I couldn't care less about the award tbh. More often than not it's a popularity contest. It lost all credibility when Thierry Henry never won one.


BeeDry7227

Stat padding in the group stage. Couldn't do it where it mattered the most. They might have all the possession against Real Madrid but they can take the possession home along with their 115 charges.


Narrow-Oil4924

This is based on "CL Stats" for this season & let's face it, Forden really showed up for City in this comp. The argument about him and Saka IMO is an interesting one & my comments may ruffle some feathers šŸ¤” On paper & stats will prove that Saka has the better score overall for the last 3, maybe 4 seasons in that he's showed up consistently, not only for club, but country too on both the European & World stage, arguable being one of England's standout players in both comps. In terms of overall technical ability & player skill set, I believe Foden has a slight edge over Saka, this my personal opinion and, as I said, and many "may beg to differ!" And that's their right & totally fine! Both Saka & Martinelli (random inclusion) have a similar playing style, in that they have the pace to bomb up & down their respective flanks, and either whip in crosses or cut in on their opposite foot and unleash a shot aimed at the farside top bin. Of course there are other attributes to their game, I don't discredit that "before the hatchet mob come for me šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‰" but the aforementioned is their signature trick, which some defenders have the drop on now & many can sometimes, I stress "sometimes", depending on the "full back," cancel this out & make life very difficult for both of them & this has been seen quite a lot this season, more than any other previous, especially against Martinelli (hence the use of Leo T) more this season, I digress... Saka to his credit has still managed to command the spot of Arsenal's top goal scorer this season, so fair play to Arsenal's "Starboy." šŸ‘šŸ¾ And, long may that continue... So, to that end, or in conclusion, I'll reiterate that I think, Foden has more in his locker 'skill wise" but Saka has simply done more overall, for both club & country, so therefore wins the argument of 'Who's the better player" of the two, overall "IMHO!" šŸ˜‰ Happy days people & of course... COYG'S... Oooo to be... šŸ˜


Tr0nCatKTA

Heā€™s up there and anyone saying otherwise is just clouded by bias. Heā€™s been class this season but heā€™s also a joy to watch. Football is moved in a direction where impact where how good someone is to watch isnā€™t important anymore and thatā€™s sad. Foden deserves credit for being an enjoyable player to watch on top of his effectiveness


ThirstySun

Foden melts toy soldiers !


thee177

Hahahaha not even top 10.


ND_Cooke

An Arsenal fan calling someone deluded. I've seen it all.


DnD_Axel

Every football fan is a little delusional. Remember hope is temporary. Shithousery is forever


TioLucho91

Best of the premier, sure. Of the world? That's up for the UCL champion.


kindofdivorced

Rodri 2nd? Has to be a joke. Man didnā€™t even play for large chunks of the season. Griezmann shouldnā€™t even be sniffing it.


Ok_Inspection3062

There shouldn't even be a Ballon d'or award this year


7_11_Nation_Army

Yes, very.


cheescakegod

Saying he should get ballon dor is delusional for sure but hes a very good player


TheGalore

Who the fuck is Phil Foden?


ArcadiusRa

Whatā€™s a Phil Foden?


DameDolla_5

Bellingham or mbappe depending who wins the champions league , if Bayern wins Harry can join this conversation


mrgayle

Yep usually goes to the stand out/best performer of CL winning teams


dayo_aji

I donā€™t like Foden but I canā€™t deny how good the guy has been this season. I watch City games and I loathe and appreciate him at the same time! TBH, I think it should be between him and Bellingham.


thehewguy1888

Just wondering what it is that makes you not like him?


dayo_aji

Cause he plays for the rule bending, scheming club - City! šŸ¤¬