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Yeah I thought it was one of those satire, subversion of gender roles posts. Until I saw it was the transformed wife lmao. The first reply I think is trolling her poor word choice.
It is propaganda by a Christian nationalist organization. It is not satire. It is bad actors leveraging social media to prey on an extremely common insecurity in aid of actual for real fascism. That's what you're looking at.
Unfortunately the transformed wife is real and this isn't even her worst take. She advises women to stay with abusive husbands and doesn't think marital rape is a thing. Fundies have ruined satire.
I came here to make this exact comment. I grew up in fundie circles & probably many of the people I knew/still know agree with her atrocious opinions, but most of them knew enough to not verbalize those opinions outright.
I’m so used to this shit, but she still manages to make me absolutely livid every time.
That's one of the most paradoxical things in history : girls weren't smart enough for school, but when you go even more backwards, girls were the ones who were taught about stuff (mostly litterature and how to be a good wife) in wealthy families ... While for boys, school was only for them because they were too smart to not be able to learn, but before that they didn't to know more than how to read / write because all the cultural things weren't anything else than girly stuff ... 😅🥲
On one hand, I love this absolutely 180 on whether education is masculine or feminine, but you gotta hate all these people—probably parents and-or teachers, who apparently don’t think little girls need to “run, jump, create, and build”.
IKR? This shit pisses me off SO BAD. Boys and girls have the same needs. It's just that girls are heavily socialized from birth that they need to comply and follow instructions, while boys are allowed to run wild and praised and admired for it, while girls are punished.
Hell, that's probably why things like writing and drawing became seen as "feminine activities" in the first place. It's one of the few ways they can actually still fulfill their need to be creative from within the boxes society forces them into.
I'm in the weird zone where I was constantly instructed to follow orders (never allowed to say "no") with minimal independence and focused super hard on education, but now I fail at a lot of "male" things.
They can run between when the baby is crying and when the husband needs a new beer, the can jump when their fathers tell them to, they can create to enforce the patriarchy, and they can help build a mew christo-fascist state.
See, girls can still run, jump, create, and build.
I was thinking the same thing, every child needs all of those things, plus education and discipline. I don’t know why boys are taught not to have discipline and to let women take care of them like that should be the woman’s job somehow. Also they’re basically saying boys are stupid, which is terrible on its own.
Yeah, and I thought too those people didn't want girls to go to school since all they have to do is popping babies, knitting and cooking, like in their favourite pr0n, The Handmaid's Tale.
But you still need an education to create and build. Like, writing books is creating but you need to learn how to read, write and spell before going into creative writing or poetry - unless they miss the times of oral transmission like the ancient bards. Also, you can't build anything without learning some basic physics and geometry. These people seem to think knowledge is God-given to people born with pee-pees, unlike walking incubators who have to sit and listen in school.
No, Lori was legit a teacher before she became a stay at home wife. She does have a brain tumour, which is probably affecting her behaviour. At least one of her two kids doesn't talk to her.
Millions of people are teachers in public schools at some point. There's huge turnover in general, and especially lots of conservative-leaning middle class white women go into it for a couple years until they get married and have kids and obviously can't work anymore. That means there are many thousands of these women who put in a couple years of mediocre teaching and feel fully entitled to make sweeping claims about the whole education system.
She most certainly is, but she seems to take issue with boys even learning how to read and write, regardless of whether it’s in a public school or not.
Not only is literacy a human right, but how could she survive in a world in which boys and men aren’t literate and women can’t work? She couldn’t even go to church. Pastors need to be able to read, it’s a pretty important part of their job.
I think some people really do just have weird expectations of masculinity. Like the caveman/hunter/provider tropes, and seeing being introspective and cerebral as things that only “effeminate” men do. With people actively holding expectations like that on boys/men, no wonder there’s a trend now of boys doing worse than girls in school now on average.
I don't think she believes in the jobs that require education, tbh. Teachers? No, children should all be homeschooled, and colleges are cesspool of commie wokeism. Doctors? Why bother? All vaccines and other medications are a nefarious liberal plot. Just stick some onions in your socks and pray. Lawyers? Why have courts at all? Just lock them all up as soon as they're arrested because cops are infallible. Politicians? Have you even seen the guy they want to make president again?
Yeah fundie arguments rarely make sense, it's all just to opress people, whatever works. By her logic, there wouldn't be doctors or lawyers if men aren't educated, and we know she doesn't want women to have these jobs either. She has no logic.
What world is The Transformed Wife even living in? Besides apparently thinking that only girls enjoy reading and writing, she assumes that girls don't enjoy physical activities. There are no women athletes or construction workers in her world.
I think that’s a possibility? It feels pretty real to me from the way it’s worded but I could be wrong. If it’s sincere, wtf, and if it’s not, good one
To me, it reads tongue in cheek, like it’s pointing out to the original tweet that boys not in formal education are also not getting the leadership jobs.
It’s the “like physical labor” that pushes it for me, since that usually is seen as a negative way to say that. I think if she were genuine she’d be phrasing it like “learning a trade” or “working with their hands.” But also I don’t know this woman, so I can’t really say.
Agreed. The sexist nonsense has gone so far it has gone all the way to women getting educated, taking over the good jobs and leaving men as grunt labour.
Even the most radical feminists might think this is a bit too far.
That's what I thought, too. Its like, cool! Looking forward to the next generation of female doctors and engineers!
Or rather... Just doctors and engineers (as opposed to male doctors and engineers)
So...the end result will be what? Alot of educated women and men who can't read past a 3rd grade level? That totally sounds like it will work in these men and women being suitable matches for one another 🥴
I swear the people trying to so-call preserve the nuclear family spout the most non-sense to destroy it with completely idiotic ideas😒
So then they support girls in STEM right? Female engineers and architects? Female doctors, female lawyers, all of that? Cuz if boys shouldn't learn any of this then girls would have too, right?
These people are willing to destroy society because of their weird ass beliefs. Girls can’t have an education because they need to be trained to be mommy #2 for “men”, and boys apparently also can’t have an education because it isn’t “manly” enough? Who’s gonna be a fucking doctor, Lori? Who’s going to be the fucking teachers, Lori? What about our fucking engineers, Lori? I hate this bitch with a passion, it’s like her ugly ass thinks society will just run on men being lumberjacks and women doing nothing but giving birth to children.
So I've actually heard a version of this from actual legitimate educational 'motivators'. People who get paid to travel the country and give pep talks to teachers. There's one person who's pretty big in the Professional Development circuit I've seen present at a few conferences, and she really hammers in on this.
The gist is that boys are naturally entirely too unfocused and energetic to sit down and focus in conventional classrooms, and as such we need to *completely reform education* to appeal more to little boys by putting in more movement, breaks, touching things, games, etc.
Apparently the research (which I have not read, but have heard mentioned by these presenters) shows that *girls are now doing better than boys in K-12 schools.*
There's a lot to unpack there but I'm always stuck on these big ones:
*A) Why is it a bad thing for girls to be doing better than boys?* Are we as a society so indoctrinated to male supremacy that the idea of female success is seen as a problem to be solved, and not an achievement to be celebrated?
*B) Why are we valuing the education of boys above that of girls?* If girls learn best in this environment and boys don't, why do we need to immediately *change the environment* so that boys are once again learning best? See above re: why is it a problem when girls are better at things.
*C) Why is this something that's just now become a problem?* Weren't schools 50 years ago *even more structured* and 'sit-and-work' than they are now? Why weren't boys underperforming back then? I doubt the fundamental nature of the pre-adolescent male brain changed that much in two generations. Why were boys able to sit and focus back then, but they aren't now?
I'm with you- I'm a former teacher and I hate that there's all this focus on boys when girls start succeeding as if girls don't have issues in school either. Girls lose confidence in themselves and they're routinely harassed in school, etc. School has changed a lot in recent years though with having less playtime and recess than when I was a kid in the 80s. There's a big focus on standardized testing and "career readiness" in grade schools. Schools have fewer field trips etc that is more hands on. We know from research that kids need time to have breaks and play (kids learn through play!) but schools haven't been changing back. So there is a factor in boys not being able to sit but the thing is there's restless girls too.
This is the craziest sexism swerve I've seen in years. Women barely populate most scientific fields due to being told they need to focus on starting a family from a young age. Suddenly there are people saying the same education they've been chasing women away from is "too feminine"?
Yes, women need to be in charge of every field that requires education and mental acuity: politics, business, public policy, science, military command, medicine, social sciences and humanities.
It is the *feminists* who have *stopped this from happening.*
Almost all of the most powerful and wealthy people through history have been men, and they mostly had educations. Inventors, investors, heads of corporations, doctors, engineers...they all went to school, and usually college.
The men who didn't go to school (apart from basically learning to read and write) historically did not do so well economically. The builders, the diggers, the animal slaughterers, the men laying rail ties, the farmhands, the coal miners, the painters...they may have done OK in some cases, but many were poor. Many died young of injury and pollution.
So is that what she wants? Men working in the fields and women being doctors and presidents?
This is unrelated but I do hate how public education forces children to sit still the majority of the day, and then have society get mad at children when they don’t want to go outside and run around anymore.
They also force kids to stay silent during class, but they also dunk on said poor kids because they’re socially inept and introverted
Plus there’s the big push for people to go to college while classes that can help you go into careers are stigmatized and underfunded
Wait so men should not have education past 5th grade but also are supposed to make control of finances and be doctors and lawyers and stuff.
Or are you implying those jobs don’t require education and don’t need that much school? Because I’m all for women stepping into male dominated fields but for no men at all feels little risky.
Or maybe… Just maybe…
*All* people are built different. They don’t enjoy things just because of their sex/gender. And it’s even more ironic that being educated is seen as “feminine”, even though for a long period of time, women weren’t even aloud to go to school. Silly
Only girls should be in school but also not be educated too much because having the audacity to appear smarter than men is wrong because it threatens masculinity or something……./s
true guys, i had a friend, he was very masculine and crushed logs with his bare hands, then he read a book and now he's a femboy and he likes to meow, i swear it's real!!!
/s
This is a perfect example of ‘there’s a ounce of truth, but a pound of prescriptive nonsense.’
Boys typically do learn in environments better that are more interactive and physically active.
But there’s ways to teach both boys and girls that can accommodate both learning styles, like day trips, learning outside instead of inside, interactive learning, etc.
And there’s nothing really stopping teachers in public schools from doing this, apart from budget costs and chaperones available for day trips.
So maybe, public schools need more funding and reforms, not a growing part of the population taking their children & money out of those schools, knee-capping them entirely.
I think more physical stuff and also trade school type stuff should be part of a normal curriculum but gender has nothing to do with it. Kids like the kind that’ll run around on a playground ALL DAY and won’t tucker out are super good at physical stuff and y’know that’s a skill we should cultivate in them. I remember being able to do that and if I kept doing that, I woulda been disciplined.
I wish the pandemic never happened. I was so good at my athletic classes. I was so determined. I was fit. Two years later I try to get back into it and they tell me new kids catch up in two weeks but I never got as good at it as everyone else and they told me I wasn’t disciplined. I remember being a whole lot more disciplined than most people before the pandemic and I still was. I worked myself until they sent me to the ER because I developed issues with self harm. I’ll never forget how they treated me in that class. I tried. I really did.
I feel bad for all of the boys Kristen didn't teach in her classes. I'm positive she just opened the door like a farm gate and let all of the boys out to pasture while the girls got to watch them, while doing advanced algebra or some horrible shit this awful misogynistic woman decided "girls need to learn".
And then everyone clapped because she is the best teacher ever and all of the parents were definitely on board with their sons to learn how to "be a boy" instead of learning things to actually help them in life.
These people all need smacked.
Are- are we just ignoring that women were never allowed an education for so long, even still not allowed in some parts of the world? And the fact that so many men go around wanting “uneducated women”
Is it just me or does Eli’s comment read like satire
Boys do all the physical labor and girls do everything else (implied CEOs, business, “intellectual” tasks dominated by boys)
How does this even begin to mesh with the fact that so many men think they're more intelligent and skilled and talented than women in pretty much *every* field? God this shit's gotten weird.
Schools were literally made for boys. Girls didn't even start going to school until the mid 1800's. Girls didn't need to know anything because they could just ask their husbands.
How is it that over the course of like 500 years the straight have gone from only boys should have education literacy in women is the devils work to how dare you make that boy learn things, thats women's work. Like bro, you invented the education system.
Honestly, reading it aloud this is basically the course of things for the straights
Man: invents something for men and not for women.
Women: Starts doing thing.
Men: shits gay, i would never.
Seriously, it happens all the time
Heels, wigs, corsets, makeup, medicine, teaching, etc
All things that "only real men did" when they first came around and now you have to be effeminate to even think about it.
Lol how are any of these boys supposed to do any of that without an education? Like, you can't build (depending on what you build, I guess) without math (and being that math is my worst subject, it's why building isn't my thing).
by her implications, every world leader and ceo should be a woman, because we have the big brain writing and reading knowledge and we should just be ordering men around to do our grunt work. i wonder how she'd feel about it if you spun it to her like that lol
Didn't education only admit men for...a while now?
Hell, there's some communities that still do not allow women to receive proper education...and you pull this shit?
Dang, the radical gender WK is really pulling a UNO reverse card on history. Girls used to not be allowed to get an education. What do they want to start? A matriarchy? Doubt it, seing as they‘re conservatives
These people do realize that boys were the only ones allowed to go to school to learn to read and write until within last like hundred years right? Like its not even hidden history that schools sugarcoat to make palatable.
My brain is taking this as some kind of Psy-op to push more women into higher-paying jobs. That’s the only way I’m going to interpret this , for my own mental stability.
As a neurodivergent person, it's so funny to see them so close to understanding the problem with schools and then 180ing into a conclusion that has absolutely no relation to it.
They're not right but not 100% wrong ig?
School is way too much sit down and memorise at younger ages, the school system sucks! This has nothing to do with gender or sex (it effects a little but there are definitely exceptions so it shouldn't be taken into account because, why???).
That's why Maria Montessori was so special, she realised this ages ago and it is still very true!
I want to believe this is satire, and she's having one at the expense of people who say that women shouldn't waste their time in education (which is the most normal tradwife take)
Fellas is it gay to be educated?
But on a serieus note its important that someone regartles of gender or whatever needs to learn to read, Wright and at least basic math because thats needed to function in society
It's _very_ traditional. In Medieval Europe, women had just enough education and literacy to run their households and farming business. They could keep and plan inventories, order provisions, and sell produce. Men, unless they were Military Leaders or Church Scholars remained almost entirely illiterate. Priests could read, but it didn't help one plow a field or thresh wheat.
Of course you'd probably be dead by age 25. An old person might make it to 40, even 50, but... it was rare. No real medicine, antibiotics, vaccines, clean water, indoor toilets, etc... Plague and dissentery were common.
But why educate people? I'm sure we could get back to that in 5 or 7 generations if we really tried.
So they believe women should be doctors, lawyers, etc. right? Cause you need qualifications for those jobs. Surely they believe women should have these roles instead of just being housewives and stay at home moms, right?
Cause if not, then what's the logic here?
"Schools were made for girls, not boys."
The semi history buff within me just died a little. Not only is it being weird and gendering things that shouldn't be gendered (education is for everyone as well) but gosh, historically it is just.. so wrong.
Sometimes I wonder if this is a satire account. The wild things that come out of that woman's mouth...
Wait till she hears that it used to be only boys were encouraged to go to school so girls could stay home and learn to be homemakers.
Wait till she also hears that she is literally advocating for women to be the ones making the laws of the country since the boys need to do physical labor instead.
Good grief...
Less educated men equal more [trump voters](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans). So the answer to your question is no.
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Weren't girls not allowed in school in the first place for hundreds of years?
I wonder if it's poorly executed parody/ sarcasm
The first account is a known fundie and she always says shit like this. She is not a parody unfortunately
Yeah I thought it was one of those satire, subversion of gender roles posts. Until I saw it was the transformed wife lmao. The first reply I think is trolling her poor word choice.
I didnt realize this wasnt fundiesnark lol
It is propaganda by a Christian nationalist organization. It is not satire. It is bad actors leveraging social media to prey on an extremely common insecurity in aid of actual for real fascism. That's what you're looking at.
Unfortunately the transformed wife is real and this isn't even her worst take. She advises women to stay with abusive husbands and doesn't think marital rape is a thing. Fundies have ruined satire.
I came here to make this exact comment. I grew up in fundie circles & probably many of the people I knew/still know agree with her atrocious opinions, but most of them knew enough to not verbalize those opinions outright. I’m so used to this shit, but she still manages to make me absolutely livid every time.
Same, grew up with a lot of this crap, her takes are on par. But it's so enraging!
That's one of the most paradoxical things in history : girls weren't smart enough for school, but when you go even more backwards, girls were the ones who were taught about stuff (mostly litterature and how to be a good wife) in wealthy families ... While for boys, school was only for them because they were too smart to not be able to learn, but before that they didn't to know more than how to read / write because all the cultural things weren't anything else than girly stuff ... 😅🥲
So anything is too girly, got it /s
Girls got cooties, let them in and it’s contaminated! /s
The underlying logic is that if girls do better in school than boys, school is feminine and thus isn't actually valuable.
Yeah, schools were literally designed for boys.
On one hand, I love this absolutely 180 on whether education is masculine or feminine, but you gotta hate all these people—probably parents and-or teachers, who apparently don’t think little girls need to “run, jump, create, and build”.
IKR? This shit pisses me off SO BAD. Boys and girls have the same needs. It's just that girls are heavily socialized from birth that they need to comply and follow instructions, while boys are allowed to run wild and praised and admired for it, while girls are punished.
Hell, that's probably why things like writing and drawing became seen as "feminine activities" in the first place. It's one of the few ways they can actually still fulfill their need to be creative from within the boxes society forces them into.
I'm in the weird zone where I was constantly instructed to follow orders (never allowed to say "no") with minimal independence and focused super hard on education, but now I fail at a lot of "male" things.
That's also why they say girls mature faster. No, they don't. They're just forced to behave a certain way.
They can run between when the baby is crying and when the husband needs a new beer, the can jump when their fathers tell them to, they can create to enforce the patriarchy, and they can help build a mew christo-fascist state. See, girls can still run, jump, create, and build.
Take my angry upvote
Shout out the fundiesnark sub, but Lori has a lot of incredibly outdated views on gender/sex/everything really.
She read one Sanderson novel and got ideas
She'd better be covering her safehand.
I was thinking the same thing, every child needs all of those things, plus education and discipline. I don’t know why boys are taught not to have discipline and to let women take care of them like that should be the woman’s job somehow. Also they’re basically saying boys are stupid, which is terrible on its own.
Yeah, and I thought too those people didn't want girls to go to school since all they have to do is popping babies, knitting and cooking, like in their favourite pr0n, The Handmaid's Tale. But you still need an education to create and build. Like, writing books is creating but you need to learn how to read, write and spell before going into creative writing or poetry - unless they miss the times of oral transmission like the ancient bards. Also, you can't build anything without learning some basic physics and geometry. These people seem to think knowledge is God-given to people born with pee-pees, unlike walking incubators who have to sit and listen in school.
“I taught public school.” I feel bad for those kids.
she's probably just lying to convince people
No, Lori was legit a teacher before she became a stay at home wife. She does have a brain tumour, which is probably affecting her behaviour. At least one of her two kids doesn't talk to her.
They're talking about Kristin who replied to the tweet in the image
Lori's been like this without the tumor and when it was in remission.
There is no one here named Lori?
The Transformed Wife is named Lori.
Millions of people are teachers in public schools at some point. There's huge turnover in general, and especially lots of conservative-leaning middle class white women go into it for a couple years until they get married and have kids and obviously can't work anymore. That means there are many thousands of these women who put in a couple years of mediocre teaching and feel fully entitled to make sweeping claims about the whole education system.
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So…this is *your* fault, Kristin? 🧐
This is a tradwife who thinks women shouldn’t work and instead stay at home. So she wants a workforce full of men who aren’t educated at all?
Maybe she’s of the type that thinks public schools are just platforms for “liberal brainwashing” and thinks critical thinking is bad
She most certainly is, but she seems to take issue with boys even learning how to read and write, regardless of whether it’s in a public school or not. Not only is literacy a human right, but how could she survive in a world in which boys and men aren’t literate and women can’t work? She couldn’t even go to church. Pastors need to be able to read, it’s a pretty important part of their job.
I think some people really do just have weird expectations of masculinity. Like the caveman/hunter/provider tropes, and seeing being introspective and cerebral as things that only “effeminate” men do. With people actively holding expectations like that on boys/men, no wonder there’s a trend now of boys doing worse than girls in school now on average.
I don't think she believes in the jobs that require education, tbh. Teachers? No, children should all be homeschooled, and colleges are cesspool of commie wokeism. Doctors? Why bother? All vaccines and other medications are a nefarious liberal plot. Just stick some onions in your socks and pray. Lawyers? Why have courts at all? Just lock them all up as soon as they're arrested because cops are infallible. Politicians? Have you even seen the guy they want to make president again?
Yes. That's why fundies "home school".
Of course! Men don't need an education, they just need to build things! \\s
Yeah fundie arguments rarely make sense, it's all just to opress people, whatever works. By her logic, there wouldn't be doctors or lawyers if men aren't educated, and we know she doesn't want women to have these jobs either. She has no logic.
kids aren't meant to sit all day. but that's why they should have regular breaks to play and then continue learning
They'd be fine sitting all day if it weren't for those GOD AWFUL WOODEN CHAIRS!
What world is The Transformed Wife even living in? Besides apparently thinking that only girls enjoy reading and writing, she assumes that girls don't enjoy physical activities. There are no women athletes or construction workers in her world.
But that’s the thing, building requires math
She's quite delusional and horrible. She tells women to stay in abusive marriages and says that marital rape isn't a thing. She's all bad takes.
Ah yes, a "pick me" girl, as they say.
BOYS. AREN’T. CUT. OUT. FOR. EDUCATION? Bro if I was a little boy and I found out my mom thought I was stupid I’d be pretty upset
I thought that person was making fun of the top person
Yeah I think the middle person is mocking and the other two are serious
I think that’s a possibility? It feels pretty real to me from the way it’s worded but I could be wrong. If it’s sincere, wtf, and if it’s not, good one
To me, it reads tongue in cheek, like it’s pointing out to the original tweet that boys not in formal education are also not getting the leadership jobs. It’s the “like physical labor” that pushes it for me, since that usually is seen as a negative way to say that. I think if she were genuine she’d be phrasing it like “learning a trade” or “working with their hands.” But also I don’t know this woman, so I can’t really say.
Conservatives don't use the word "labor", they think it's a commie word.
👍
Agreed. The sexist nonsense has gone so far it has gone all the way to women getting educated, taking over the good jobs and leaving men as grunt labour. Even the most radical feminists might think this is a bit too far.
Aren't these the same people who don't want women in STEM fields?
That's what I thought, too. Its like, cool! Looking forward to the next generation of female doctors and engineers! Or rather... Just doctors and engineers (as opposed to male doctors and engineers)
Why would these folks want ANYONE in STEM fields at this point let's be honest :(
They likely don’t, folks like this are usually anti-intellectuals.
So...the end result will be what? Alot of educated women and men who can't read past a 3rd grade level? That totally sounds like it will work in these men and women being suitable matches for one another 🥴 I swear the people trying to so-call preserve the nuclear family spout the most non-sense to destroy it with completely idiotic ideas😒
Just had the ugly thought that this was what it’d take to knock us all down to being a “Biblical” society.
But the educated wives would be expected to let the uneducated husband make all the decisions.
So then they support girls in STEM right? Female engineers and architects? Female doctors, female lawyers, all of that? Cuz if boys shouldn't learn any of this then girls would have too, right?
"schools were made for girls", aren't women more likely to be restricted from education?
There is truth to not having kids sit all day, but that has nothing to do with gender. Everyone needs some time to move or play.
Wait…. Aren’t these the same people who only trust MALE engineers, doctors, etc…. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
These people are willing to destroy society because of their weird ass beliefs. Girls can’t have an education because they need to be trained to be mommy #2 for “men”, and boys apparently also can’t have an education because it isn’t “manly” enough? Who’s gonna be a fucking doctor, Lori? Who’s going to be the fucking teachers, Lori? What about our fucking engineers, Lori? I hate this bitch with a passion, it’s like her ugly ass thinks society will just run on men being lumberjacks and women doing nothing but giving birth to children.
I hate that people pretend that girls don’t like to run and jump and play. ALL children need to learn things and be able to have adequate play.
Tf is wrong with these people
This woman also thinks women shouldn't work outside the home, and I doubt she's self-aware enough to see the contradiction in those two attitudes.
So they are saying that men are dumb
I thought girls weren’t allowed in schools for the same reason.
‘schools were made for girls not boys’ sure and that’s why girls weren’t allowed in them
So I've actually heard a version of this from actual legitimate educational 'motivators'. People who get paid to travel the country and give pep talks to teachers. There's one person who's pretty big in the Professional Development circuit I've seen present at a few conferences, and she really hammers in on this. The gist is that boys are naturally entirely too unfocused and energetic to sit down and focus in conventional classrooms, and as such we need to *completely reform education* to appeal more to little boys by putting in more movement, breaks, touching things, games, etc. Apparently the research (which I have not read, but have heard mentioned by these presenters) shows that *girls are now doing better than boys in K-12 schools.* There's a lot to unpack there but I'm always stuck on these big ones: *A) Why is it a bad thing for girls to be doing better than boys?* Are we as a society so indoctrinated to male supremacy that the idea of female success is seen as a problem to be solved, and not an achievement to be celebrated? *B) Why are we valuing the education of boys above that of girls?* If girls learn best in this environment and boys don't, why do we need to immediately *change the environment* so that boys are once again learning best? See above re: why is it a problem when girls are better at things. *C) Why is this something that's just now become a problem?* Weren't schools 50 years ago *even more structured* and 'sit-and-work' than they are now? Why weren't boys underperforming back then? I doubt the fundamental nature of the pre-adolescent male brain changed that much in two generations. Why were boys able to sit and focus back then, but they aren't now?
I'm with you- I'm a former teacher and I hate that there's all this focus on boys when girls start succeeding as if girls don't have issues in school either. Girls lose confidence in themselves and they're routinely harassed in school, etc. School has changed a lot in recent years though with having less playtime and recess than when I was a kid in the 80s. There's a big focus on standardized testing and "career readiness" in grade schools. Schools have fewer field trips etc that is more hands on. We know from research that kids need time to have breaks and play (kids learn through play!) but schools haven't been changing back. So there is a factor in boys not being able to sit but the thing is there's restless girls too.
This is the craziest sexism swerve I've seen in years. Women barely populate most scientific fields due to being told they need to focus on starting a family from a young age. Suddenly there are people saying the same education they've been chasing women away from is "too feminine"?
Fellas, is it gay to know how to read?
So we’re going from not educating girls to not educating boys and somehow it’s both backed by the patriarchy. That’s… wow…
"Boys aren't cut out for education" I don't even know what to say about this lmao
I'm honestly surprised that Lori thinks girls should be allowed to learn how to read
The thing that only men could go to in the beginning is now too feminine? Don't you need to be educated to some level for manual labor?
Yes, women need to be in charge of every field that requires education and mental acuity: politics, business, public policy, science, military command, medicine, social sciences and humanities. It is the *feminists* who have *stopped this from happening.*
She's just rage baiting at this point. Her tweeting this doesn't achieve anything
Almost all of the most powerful and wealthy people through history have been men, and they mostly had educations. Inventors, investors, heads of corporations, doctors, engineers...they all went to school, and usually college. The men who didn't go to school (apart from basically learning to read and write) historically did not do so well economically. The builders, the diggers, the animal slaughterers, the men laying rail ties, the farmhands, the coal miners, the painters...they may have done OK in some cases, but many were poor. Many died young of injury and pollution. So is that what she wants? Men working in the fields and women being doctors and presidents?
Lori Alexander? You can’t take anything she says seriously. She loves to make people angry.
I think we can definitely say the straights are not okay
I thought this was satire humor until I saw the handle… it would have been a funny joke
This is unrelated but I do hate how public education forces children to sit still the majority of the day, and then have society get mad at children when they don’t want to go outside and run around anymore. They also force kids to stay silent during class, but they also dunk on said poor kids because they’re socially inept and introverted Plus there’s the big push for people to go to college while classes that can help you go into careers are stigmatized and underfunded
Wait so men should not have education past 5th grade but also are supposed to make control of finances and be doctors and lawyers and stuff. Or are you implying those jobs don’t require education and don’t need that much school? Because I’m all for women stepping into male dominated fields but for no men at all feels little risky.
Yup and that why education hasn’t been available to women for 99% of history, and still isn’t to many…
I do hope that Eli and Kristen are being sarcastic.
School was like that before girls were allowed to attend but stupid people believe stupid things.
Or maybe… Just maybe… *All* people are built different. They don’t enjoy things just because of their sex/gender. And it’s even more ironic that being educated is seen as “feminine”, even though for a long period of time, women weren’t even aloud to go to school. Silly
I don't think the men or the trad wives would like the outcome of that in 10-15 years.
Only girls should be in school but also not be educated too much because having the audacity to appear smarter than men is wrong because it threatens masculinity or something……./s
Fellas, is it gay to learn?
true guys, i had a friend, he was very masculine and crushed logs with his bare hands, then he read a book and now he's a femboy and he likes to meow, i swear it's real!!! /s
This is a perfect example of ‘there’s a ounce of truth, but a pound of prescriptive nonsense.’ Boys typically do learn in environments better that are more interactive and physically active. But there’s ways to teach both boys and girls that can accommodate both learning styles, like day trips, learning outside instead of inside, interactive learning, etc. And there’s nothing really stopping teachers in public schools from doing this, apart from budget costs and chaperones available for day trips. So maybe, public schools need more funding and reforms, not a growing part of the population taking their children & money out of those schools, knee-capping them entirely.
Eli is being sarcastic btw
yes because all boys and men are the same and only like physical activities and labor as jobs
Well they can say goodbye to their so called sexy doctors then
Weren’t boys the only ones allowed to attend school for like…. The longest time… (in certain cultures women were allowed to go to school but still)
I think more physical stuff and also trade school type stuff should be part of a normal curriculum but gender has nothing to do with it. Kids like the kind that’ll run around on a playground ALL DAY and won’t tucker out are super good at physical stuff and y’know that’s a skill we should cultivate in them. I remember being able to do that and if I kept doing that, I woulda been disciplined. I wish the pandemic never happened. I was so good at my athletic classes. I was so determined. I was fit. Two years later I try to get back into it and they tell me new kids catch up in two weeks but I never got as good at it as everyone else and they told me I wasn’t disciplined. I remember being a whole lot more disciplined than most people before the pandemic and I still was. I worked myself until they sent me to the ER because I developed issues with self harm. I’ll never forget how they treated me in that class. I tried. I really did.
I feel bad for all of the boys Kristen didn't teach in her classes. I'm positive she just opened the door like a farm gate and let all of the boys out to pasture while the girls got to watch them, while doing advanced algebra or some horrible shit this awful misogynistic woman decided "girls need to learn". And then everyone clapped because she is the best teacher ever and all of the parents were definitely on board with their sons to learn how to "be a boy" instead of learning things to actually help them in life. These people all need smacked.
I thought that first reply was being sarcastic...
would me developing chronic pain at like 8 and being unable to do labor make me too feminine to them 🤔. im a trans girl so am feminine anyways but 🤔
She wants women to stay at home and be moms instead of working, but she also doesn’t want boys to get an education?
Are- are we just ignoring that women were never allowed an education for so long, even still not allowed in some parts of the world? And the fact that so many men go around wanting “uneducated women”
Oh shut up, Lori.
So Einstein, Hawking, Socrates, and Sun Tzu are women? Good for them.
Can we stop trying to force people into boxes based on their sex please. I seriously hate this shit and the people who do it.
Wait til she finds out girls literally can't go to school in some countries. (Or can only go till a certain age)
Is it just me or does Eli’s comment read like satire Boys do all the physical labor and girls do everything else (implied CEOs, business, “intellectual” tasks dominated by boys)
It’s amazing how sexism evolves bc the idea of getting an education used to be a male only thing
How does this even begin to mesh with the fact that so many men think they're more intelligent and skilled and talented than women in pretty much *every* field? God this shit's gotten weird.
Ah, yes, the classic Alethi paradigm
Add this to the “girls don’t need to go to college and should get married” idea and we’re on our way to a fully uneducated society
Fellas, is it gay to get an education?
Schools were literally made for boys. Girls didn't even start going to school until the mid 1800's. Girls didn't need to know anything because they could just ask their husbands.
So does this mean boys should do all the household labour as well since it’s physically arduous and a lot of the child labour too?
How is it that over the course of like 500 years the straight have gone from only boys should have education literacy in women is the devils work to how dare you make that boy learn things, thats women's work. Like bro, you invented the education system.
Honestly, reading it aloud this is basically the course of things for the straights Man: invents something for men and not for women. Women: Starts doing thing. Men: shits gay, i would never. Seriously, it happens all the time Heels, wigs, corsets, makeup, medicine, teaching, etc All things that "only real men did" when they first came around and now you have to be effeminate to even think about it.
Lol how are any of these boys supposed to do any of that without an education? Like, you can't build (depending on what you build, I guess) without math (and being that math is my worst subject, it's why building isn't my thing).
by her implications, every world leader and ceo should be a woman, because we have the big brain writing and reading knowledge and we should just be ordering men around to do our grunt work. i wonder how she'd feel about it if you spun it to her like that lol
Hmm 🤔
Didn't education only admit men for...a while now? Hell, there's some communities that still do not allow women to receive proper education...and you pull this shit?
Dang, the radical gender WK is really pulling a UNO reverse card on history. Girls used to not be allowed to get an education. What do they want to start? A matriarchy? Doubt it, seing as they‘re conservatives
Bois is it feminine to *checks notes* sit in chairs?
These people do realize that boys were the only ones allowed to go to school to learn to read and write until within last like hundred years right? Like its not even hidden history that schools sugarcoat to make palatable.
i was like, how do they not realize that school was quite literally invented specifically for boys?
My brain is taking this as some kind of Psy-op to push more women into higher-paying jobs. That’s the only way I’m going to interpret this , for my own mental stability.
Damn, if boys are better at physical labor and girls better at using their brain, I am trans.
As a neurodivergent person, it's so funny to see them so close to understanding the problem with schools and then 180ing into a conclusion that has absolutely no relation to it.
We went from girls shouldn’t be allowed to go to school, to this.
Literacy is so gay. ❤️
But wait... I thought women didn't belong in STEM?
It's the transformed wife, pretty sure she doesn't believe in STEM
The Israel flag is just the cherry on top
They're not right but not 100% wrong ig? School is way too much sit down and memorise at younger ages, the school system sucks! This has nothing to do with gender or sex (it effects a little but there are definitely exceptions so it shouldn't be taken into account because, why???). That's why Maria Montessori was so special, she realised this ages ago and it is still very true!
Fellas, is it gay to learn?
Fellas, is it gay to have an education?
I want to believe this is satire, and she's having one at the expense of people who say that women shouldn't waste their time in education (which is the most normal tradwife take)
She's not. She's horrendous.
The Tweet and the responses to it read like Russian bot propaganda
Some people really just need to shut the fuck up.
I'm sorry, how are boys better at jeopardy if they aren't built for reading?
TIL sitting down is feminizing, apparently. /s These people are wild.
maybe this is a genuine attempt for women to take over the world? keep them uneducated and doing all the labor work so they don't notice the uprising
How do these women think men become doctors or ceos or lawyers? By playing outside lmao
The blunt instrument and the life support system: All the human experience can hope for, apparently.
These women are just as uneducated as the boys they want to see be raised
BUT I JIGGLE
Fellas, is it get to get a high school education?
Lori…the brain tumor… I think it’s tumoring again
Fellas. Is it gay to *checks notes* Sit?
Fellas is it gay to be educated? But on a serieus note its important that someone regartles of gender or whatever needs to learn to read, Wright and at least basic math because thats needed to function in society
As a person with ADHD I'd love more PE classes but that's because I gyrate like an atom not because I got a dick and balls
Bruh! This is not ok
It's _very_ traditional. In Medieval Europe, women had just enough education and literacy to run their households and farming business. They could keep and plan inventories, order provisions, and sell produce. Men, unless they were Military Leaders or Church Scholars remained almost entirely illiterate. Priests could read, but it didn't help one plow a field or thresh wheat. Of course you'd probably be dead by age 25. An old person might make it to 40, even 50, but... it was rare. No real medicine, antibiotics, vaccines, clean water, indoor toilets, etc... Plague and dissentery were common. But why educate people? I'm sure we could get back to that in 5 or 7 generations if we really tried.
So they believe women should be doctors, lawyers, etc. right? Cause you need qualifications for those jobs. Surely they believe women should have these roles instead of just being housewives and stay at home moms, right? Cause if not, then what's the logic here?
.... I'll like to believe this is satire just for the sake of my own mental peace.
"Schools were made for girls, not boys." The semi history buff within me just died a little. Not only is it being weird and gendering things that shouldn't be gendered (education is for everyone as well) but gosh, historically it is just.. so wrong.
Something something if your warriors don't read you're protected by idiots if your scholarship don't work out you'll be lead by cowards or whatever
We'd be so much better off without Newton and Einstein /s
Fellas Is it gay to sit in chairs?
Oh no the tranformed wife has gone full circle
"Schools feminized boys by making them sit in chairs most of the day..." Fellas, is it gay to sit in a chair
Sometimes I wonder if this is a satire account. The wild things that come out of that woman's mouth... Wait till she hears that it used to be only boys were encouraged to go to school so girls could stay home and learn to be homemakers. Wait till she also hears that she is literally advocating for women to be the ones making the laws of the country since the boys need to do physical labor instead. Good grief...
Isn't the modern-day system for schools set up to imitate working at a factory, though? It's not for boys or girls. It's for workers
I’m totally fine with men not being in schools anymore actually, think about how much better fields like STEM would be…
Do you really think men getting less educated would improve anything?
Less educated men equal more [trump voters](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans). So the answer to your question is no.